Vice-President Pence Delivers OMB Commission to Director Mick Mulvaney…

After passing confirmation, representative Mick Mulvaney was sworn in tonight as Director of the Office of Management and Budget.

Vice-President Mike Pence coordinated Director Mulvaney’s commission ceremony.

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As most CTH readers are aware, ‘cantalopes‘ was the one cabinet selection that gives us the greatest GOPe trepidation. Watching the ceremonial process itself, the prior concerns are not assuaged.  Mulvaney is now, essentially, the CFO of the Trump White House.

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The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) is the largest office within the Executive Office of the President of the United States (EOP). OMB’s most prominent function is to produce the President’s Budget, but OMB also measures the quality of agency programs, policies, and procedures to see if they comply with the president’s policies and coordinates inter-agency policy initiatives.

The OMB Director reports to the President (Donald Trump), Vice President (Mike Pence) and the White House Chief of Staff (Reince Priebus).

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OMB prepares the President’s budget proposal to Congress and supervises the administration of the executive branch agencies. OMB has control over the budgetary approval process of all cabinets.

OMB evaluates the effectiveness of agency programs, policies, and procedures, assesses competing funding demands among agencies, and sets funding priorities. OMB ensures that agency reports, rules, testimony, and proposed legislation are consistent with the president’s budget and with administration policies.

OMB also oversees and coordinates the administration’s procurement, financial management, information, and regulatory policies.  In each of these areas, OMB’s role is to help improve administrative management, to develop better performance measures and coordinating mechanisms, and to reduce any unnecessary burdens on the public.

Hopefully, Mulvaney will not hide GOPe spending within the massive ledgers.  The cabinets need to be downsized, bigly.  The Dept. of State needs massive budget cuts.

We’ll see…

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250 Responses to Vice-President Pence Delivers OMB Commission to Director Mick Mulvaney…

  1. Martin says:

    Agreed. Need huge budget cuts to cut down on spending. Big time.

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    • M33 says:

      A budget at all would be great…

      Liked by 8 people

      • sundance says:

        Ryan/Hannity interview right now. Ryan finally said two bugets this year. Good.

        Budget #1 will be Trump’s spending outline (the familiar budget process), looks like whatever Trump puts forth will be speedy through house..

        Budget #2 will not be a budget per se’, it will be Trump VS Ryan on tax plan and tax reform….. (#2 can come later). this will be the fight.

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        • M33 says:

          Great news!

          BTW, thank you for all the research, Sundance.

          Just donated to the Treehouse.

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        • WSB says:

          Sundance, this is for you. I think I have found out why PDJT may have taken a liking to Mulvaney:

          I know, Wikipedia, but probably true:

          Mulvaney was born in Alexandria, Virginia and grew up in Charlotte, North Carolina, before moving to Indian Land, South Carolina.[5][6] He attended Charlotte Catholic High School and then Georgetown University, where he majored in International Economics, Commerce and Finance.[5] At Georgetown, he was an Honors Scholar, the highest level of academic achievement awarded to members of the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service, and ultimately graduated with honors in 1989.[6]

          Mulvaney attended law school at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He earned a full scholarship to attend law school, where his focus was on anti-trust law. He graduated with his J.D. degree in 1992.[7]

          From 1992 to 1997, Mulvaney practiced law with the firm James, McElroy & Diehl. Mulvaney joined his family‘s** homebuilding and real estate business. He participated in the Owners and Presidents Management Program at Harvard Business School. He was a minority shareholder and owner-operator in Salsarita’s Fresh Cantina, a privately held regional restaurant chain.

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        • EJ says:

          Ryan did say they are mostly in agreement on Tax. Actually he said he agreed with Trump on everything. I find it hard to believe he would flat out say that if he didn’t intend to get a lot of it accomplished.

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    • bertdilbert says:

      The big spending is SS medicare and defense etc. Basically transfer payments. You get no big time spending cuts without cutting into those. You can make cuts in other areas of government which is a minuscule part of the pie.

      In order to stop deficits you are going to have to raise revenue or hit the sacred items or force healthcare industry cuts into medicare.

      That said, there is a ton of waste that can be cut.

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      • sudsy49 says:

        Count me in the “Leave my Medicare alone!” camp. Medicare already suffered drastic cuts in the reimbursement of services in order to fund Obamacare. Let somebody else pay for it this time.

        Liked by 9 people

        • jackphatz says:

          Yeah, how about seriously curtailing some…more then some… bloated departments of entrenched DCism first. You know…people really, really want to see something shut down. We voted for Trump to get this kind of stuff done for us.

          Liked by 12 people

        • oldtoenail says:

          We can cut Medicare money that may be going to the refugees(economic opportunist).

          Liked by 11 people

        • Tom says:

          If we allowed Medicare/Medicaid to negotiate drug prices to be no more than what, say, Canada pays, then a HUGE chunk of Medicare/Medicaid spending will be cut all by itself. C’mon, people, stop reacting and start thinking. Break up the medical monopolies and Medicare/Medicaid spending cuts itself.

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        • Count me out of that camp, sudsy49! Medicare was the first program to start this slide down hill to the most expensive medical services/drugs/hospitals/appliances in the entire world! Pres. Johnson did us no favors at all.

          Our insurance costs skyrocketed, HUGE medical insurance and medical care – mainly hospitals, but also clinics and doctors’ offices, have become enormous complexes with probably more bookkeepers and office workers than medical personnel. These led to huge cost increases, each feeding on the other and aided and abetted by the federal government.

          And THEN Obamacare came along to blow up the whole system with the somewhat hidden agenda of having government control of all medical care.

          We’d all be better of with more competition among insurance companies, personal health savings accounts, transparency of pricing, and direct patient pay for all medical services.

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      • emmajohnson says:

        That’s the same old crap we’ve heard forever. There is so much waste and abuse in Medicare and SS regarding immigrants. Let’s stop giving them OUR money. Penny saved, penny earned. Still true today. There are lots of items to cut into. EPA, DOE, to name two. Cut them out completely and the country will be better off.

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      • litlbit2 says:

        We have heard waste and fraud for years! The yearly sound bite. However, with this president I am more confident than ever inroads will be made.,
        If not, I believe the next two words will be, you’re fired.
        In the Sundance camp we shall see!

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      • susiepuma says:

        Social Security is NOT an entitlement..,…I have paid into that program for ove r50 years and am still working and paying. The Democrats TOOK the money out of the Social Security Account back around LBJ days and transferred it to the General Fund and put worthless IOUs into the SS Account. Medicare can be cut, Medicade can be cut, salaries can be cut, but no cuts to SS……………

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        • emmajohnson says:

          SS and Medicare is an “entitlement” to American citizens but to the 3rd world, well it’s just “who we are” by giving it to them. Screw that. I agree with you. Welfare is an entitlement because they haven’t worked for it. Medicaid is an entitlement because someone else is paying for it, namely me, you plus we’re paying for our medicare. Nothing gets me madder faster than to tell me that what I’ve been paying for is an entitlement and you want to cut it. How about you pay for a house for 30 years, think you have it paid off but the bank comes back and says no, you have to give that house to Jose. Bet you’d see people rise up then, including the left.

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          • bertdilbert says:

            It is an entitlement only for so long as the government agrees to pay. Other than that it was nothing but a tax.

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            • WSB says:

              I want my tax back.

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            • Whereas, bertdilbert, if we had been allowed to put that tax money into OUR OWN accounts, we would be much better off today. The amount of money taken out of income is tiny compared to what would happen in an investment account with out own name(s) on it.
              But no, Americans are too “stupid” to keep track of their own money said FDR and his pals. We’ll do it for you. From the beginning SS has been a Ponzi scheme, using today’s money to pay today’s retirees.
              People shouldn’t get caught up in the “lockbox” notion, which was a fiction right from the start. And I can tell you that the resistance to the SS idea was massive, but FDR and pals managed to suppress it.
              So was the idea of automatic deductions from salaries for income taxes resisted, but suppressed. One of Dr. Milton Friedman’s worst ideas, in an otherwise wonderful career as an economist!

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      • georgiafl says:

        BENEFITS – WELFARE/FOOD STAMPS (AND FRAUD) AND HOUSING, ETC. – FREEBIES – are our biggest spending outlay.

        Medicare and SS should be for those who paid into it and their dependents only.

        Citizens only.

        NO MORE SS and BENEFITS for ILLEGALS AND Student/work Visa IMMIGRANTS.

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        • nimrodman says:

          AND … conduct an audit of the Social Security Disability side of SS.

          I’ll wager real money that tremendous numbers of school behavioral “problem childs” have been classified with “oppositional defiant disorder” and placed on SS disability benefits, potentially collecting for life without ever paying in like the retirement side.

          Love to see an accounting of that.

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          • PNWLifer says:

            I happen to know that as soon as Obama was elected disability claims were expedited. I personally know a geniunely disabled young person in his early twenties. His paperwork was never completed in its entirety. His attorney was irked bc this was stuff the kid needed to do. 90 days after the initial claim was filed he got a check for back payments and began recieving a monthly check and Medicaid.

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          • georgiafl says:

            That would be interesting – bad parents are bad for the economy. These kids could work after a stint at a work farm/work skills type school – training camp.

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        • ray says:

          100% agree

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        • georgiafl says:

          The FRAUD part is the most expensive!!! Islamists running stores run big multi-million $$$$ scams with food stamps. Many have gotten caught.

          Trump will see the rest are put out of business and sent packing back to their home countries.

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        • georgia, I know many people think they “paid into it and want it back,” but if you had to live on what you paid into SS you would starve to death before you reached the age of 70. Why? Because of inflation.
          If you had been able to save the money for yourself, in your own named account, you could stay up with inflation by learning how to manage your own money. i imagine you and most Treepers already know how to do this.
          I do agree that SS and benefits should not be paid to or for non-citizens, period. I don’t care whether they are here legally or not.

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          • georgiafl says:

            No – I have no wisdom/knowledge about finance and have been totally paralyzed since the crash of 2008 – watching wealthy people weep – I lost a good bit and have been paralyzed unable to enter back into stock market – with O in office and our crazy spending. I missed the Trump rebound having put everything into short term CDs in case Hillary was elected…or O refused to leave.

            These people are crazy and evil.

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      • WSB says:

        So, we heard the poll numbers in 2016. They were wrong. We hear that SS and Medicare are the big problems? How do we know that?

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      • Paul Killinger says:

        OR you can INCREASE Govt receipts by requiring employers withhold SS and Medicare taxes again (the old fashioned way!), and increasing job growth to expand the economy.

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      • Paul Killinger says:

        The MASSIVE use of 1099’s is nothing more than legalized TAX FRAUD.

        Employers SKATE on their obligations to the SS and Medicare trust funds…

        And, of course, employees spend their entire paychecks to get by.

        So by the time the IRS finds out they haven’t paid the money due into SS and Medicare, they’re holding an empty bag…

        The WORST PART being when the employees retire (or are replaced by low-wage illegals), the missing money isn’t in their SS accounts!

        WAKE UP, people, THIS is what’s killing SS and Medicare!

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        • Tom says:

          That’s a full pantsload of BS. What, are you saying the IRS doesn’t enforce tax payments from those who receive 1099s ? You are an idiot. The IRS comes down harder on 1099 people than W-2 people.

          Additionally, those of us getting 1099s pay the full ride of SS, not the 50% that the W-2 folks pay. Each and every quarter I and all of my 1099 buddies pay Uncle Sam 15%+ of our income that quarter for SS/Medicare.

          Don’t be an idiot and don’t insult the self-employed people.

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      • Paul Killinger says:

        Not to mention creating MILLIONS of indigent seniors, who must then rely on food stamps, Obamaphones, municipal meal wagons and transportation just to get by FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES!

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        • Paul Killinger says:

          PS. And I would sincerely appreciate it if SUNDANCE would report on this issue one day.

          I see these poor people around me all the time who worked hard their whole lives and played it straight, and their numbers are growing rapidly.

          It is a CATASTROPHE!

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      • CaptainNonno says:

        Increased employment will go a long way to increasing SS and Medicare revenues. Need to stop pilfering the funds.

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    • tellthetruth2016 says:

      Just look at the gators from the swamp standing around him smiling .. Lindsey at the front,….. President TRUMP has his work cut out for him ……..

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  2. M33 says:

    I think this could be a case of “let’s hire the rat to see what they are going to try to hide even with cuts and then blast the mother with sunlight and bring in the real deal.”

    Liked by 11 people

    • The Boss says:

      Let’s see….
      Haley at UN.
      New SC governor very pro-Trump.
      Mulvaney under Trump’s watchful eye and out of the House.
      What will the new SC rep be like?
      Bigger question. Who in SC GOP politics will be the next to move on?
      It’s a renovation….

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    • 18CatsInOH says:

      You know, I tend to agree. I’ve been thinking about all this and why President Trump doesn’t necessarily jump on everything right away. I honestly think part of it is because he is letting out the rope so they will hang themselves. There is so much opposition to him that it will be much easier for him to point to the scandal of the moment and say, THIS is why we are doing XYZ. Some need to see proof and I believe it will be a way to open more eyes. Of course, there will always be those who will not see, but he has an opportunity to SHOW people based on his response to proven criminal, subversive or seditious behavior.

      Kinda like how he exposed the Congressional Black Caucus today at the presser. He didn’t bring it up, that reporter did and I am sure there are people who were genuinely shocked to hear it wasn’t Trump who was the problem; it was the CBC themselves. People need to be exposed to truth because so many of them have never heard it before. Holding off on certain action plans is a way of exposing it because these idjits are exposing themselves right and left in their blind hatreds and politicking.

      Anyway, just my rambling thoughts.

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      • yakmaster2 says:

        Maxine Waters already publicly stated flat out that she would NOT meet with the President. Remember that? I guarantee you the rest of the CBC was cheering her on so it’s ludicrous for the CBC to now be saying they would’ve gone to meet with POTUS if only they had received some formal invitation—especially since they refused to even show up at the Inauguration. What a bunch of self-serving hypocrites willing to screw over their own constituents!

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        • 18CatsInOH says:

          It’s always been this way. The only real thing that has changed is it is out in the open and in your face. Before, there was lots of hiding in dark corners. No longer.

          This is one of the main things about Trump, he’s calls out all the hypocrisy and doesn’t scurry off into the sunset with his tail between his legs.

          It is SOOOOOOOOOO refreshing to have a real man, an honest man, a man of integrity, a warrior as our leader. It is a miracle. It truly is. We’ve endured sycophants, pansies, liars, traitors, usurpers and ne’er-do-wells for so long, most of us have forgotten how it feels to win. It feels GREAT!

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          • Cats, I agree totally. I also think that may be the real reason Flynn was asked to resign. He refused to own the downside, a quality Sundance identified in Donald Trump ages ago. I think when Flynn wavered or waffled on exactly what he said to whom and when just irked the heck out of our Lion! I bet if Flynn had said, “Yeah, I did ti,” whatever “it” was, DJT would have backed him to the hilt. Especially since FBI said nothing illegal had happened.

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            • 18CatsInOH says:

              I agree. Integrity, honesty and loyalty are 1 character assets President Trump looks for. I think General Flynn just lived surrounded by so many wafflers and shirkers. It rubs off on you. I am sure he will look back at this moment as one of the gravest mistakes in his life.

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        • Paul Killinger says:

          They’ve been doing just that for a LONG time.

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        • beaujest says:

          She doesn’t know who the president is ,she thinks Bush is still there !

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  3. Niagara Frontier says:

    This is one of the most powerful positions/offices in the executive branch. Almost nothing makes its way to the President’s desk from the various agencies concerning missions, budgets, priorities and problems without first being vetted through OMB. It’s a very tough job.

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  4. Pam says:

    Can’t argue one bit with any of this. Agree 100%. We will be watching.

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  5. Yankee Lawyer says:

    I want to see daily updated department head counts with pretty downward sloping graphs.

    Liked by 8 people

  6. BobW462 says:

    It seems that here is where POTUS’ business acumen will become a critical factor as he “shepherds” Mulvaney.

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    • Fe says:

      Oh yeah, totally agree. Great comment!

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    • President Trump will teach OMB how “Dynamic Budget Scoring” works.

      No longer will Uniparty Congressional Idiots pretend their Bills make contributions, only to agree to Static Budget Scoring that assumes they cannot!

      Dynamic Scoring recognizes that Tax-Rate Cuts generate Jobs that generate growth in GDP that generates Tax-Revenue Gains that far outstrip the Tax-Revenue Losses from the initial Cuts, because the Job gains compound themselves when the new worker spends income at Retailers & Service Businesses that hire workers … and purchase from Suppliers & Service Businesses that hire more workers … and ship through Carriers that hire workers, all of whose spend more at Retailers & Service Businesses.

      Dynamic Scoring also recognizes that returning Illegal Aliens who do not pay Taxes opens their jobs to American Citizens on Welfare – reducing our Welfare Costs, reducing our Education and Health Care and Law-Enforcement and Auto/Property/Liability Insurance and Police and Legal-System and Drug-Rehabilitation and Social-Services Costs, while producing Tax-Revenue Gains and reducing the additional Government Workers who had to deal with Illegal Worker outlays.

      Big MULTIPLIER EFFECTS!

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      • I’m admittedly no accountant, so pile on if I’m not getting it.

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        • WSB says:

          I am not either, but if you and I can understand dynamic scoring, it is very self evident that our ‘representivies’ do too but choose not to.

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        • Bruce Fauth says:

          I am a CPA and Trump is definitely on the right track. Many CEO’s are great idea people but don’t necessarily have a great grasp of numbers. Everything I’ve seen says Trump understands the underlying numbers very well.

          Don’t be surprised if we cut the deficit to zero and maybe, just maybe start paying down some of the debt before Trump leaves office.

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          • One non-budget item that will affect spending mightily is the reduction in regulations that POTUS is enacting. I don’t know whether there is a way to calculate how much money “compliance” costs, but it has to be ginormous!

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      • Paul Killinger says:

        Then he can teach Ryan, McConnell and the Congressional Budget Office. (The latter being the crew who scored O-care as “revenue neutral.” Right!)

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  7. Bill Green says:

    If McCain voted against him, then give him a chance. He has to have some scruples.

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    • jackphatz says:

      “Sen. John McCain says Rep. Mick Mulvaney’s poor record on national-security issues is at odds with President Donald Trump’s promise to rebuild the U.S. military.”

      LOL!

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      • Madonna says:

        That need not be true. As is previously discussed, there is massive waste and fraud and duplication. By weeding out the overspending, firing the personnel that are not needed renegotiating contracts and suppliers, one can increase supplies needed and even spend less overall. It is the reason a good auditor can benefit any company. Our gov. and all its agencies are just companies that need to be managed better. You will see, it can be done at the same time that money is saved.

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        • WSB says:

          SMART spending…Swamp Mending and Rat Trampling.

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        • Bruce Fauth says:

          Every time you look at some defense spending cuts, the Congresscritters whose districts would be affected by cuts starts their tantrums to “protect their district” for which they are bringing home the bacon. So Defense keeps spending money with contractor A despite not needing what contractor A is providing.

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          • Paul Killinger says:

            I don’t believe POTUS Trump has any intention of allowing the Congress to retain their “bring home the bacon” mentality, be it on defense, infrastructure, staffing, earmarks or any other significant federal spending.

            He will CUT spending HARD, and God bless him for it!

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      • georgiafl says:

        If McCain say it – let’s count on a nefarious reason. He’s not in control and that bothers him.

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      • yakmaster2 says:

        “…poor record on national security issues…” could well be McLame-speak for not wanting to spend money overthrowing foreign governments.

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        • Paul Killinger says:

          McCain doesn’t need any new money in his attempts to overthrow foreign Govts. He does a fine job of that on his own.

          What he’s really worried about is all the pork he and his friends use to shake down the defense industry is going to disappear!

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          • Paul Killinger says:

            Actually, this is not much different than the variant the Teachers Unions use…

            They install a local Govt favorable to them, have them vote for sweetheart giveaway Teachers contracts, and then kick back their dues to ensure their friends in Govt have plenty of cash at reelection time.

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        • Paul Killinger says:

          Their real problem is that the long time defense spending gimmick their new POTUS abhors is a three legged stool…

          The Congress votes for their favorite defense contracts (hopefelly in their own Districts), holds up the contractors for campaign cash, and then uses this money to get reelected.

          Which is precisely how we end up with F-35 fighter jets and $4 billion Air Force Ones!

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      • Paul Killinger says:

        I don’t know what else POTUS Trump could do to appease McCain’s concerns about military spending.

        Makes me think that’s just a smokescreen on McCain’s part, which he’s using as an excuse to run around and remain solidly #NeverTrump.

        (Maybe we can trade McCain to the Senate Dems for Joe Manchin.)

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      • Kaco says:

        Is McCain preparing that letter to POTUS for providing lethal weapons to Ukraine, lol?

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    • SoCal Patriot says:

      You are 100% on the mark Bill.

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  8. M33 says:

    BTW, what does the “cantaloupes” nickname refer to?

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      • starfcker says:

        I thought he was a math guy. Looks terrible in that clip several times.

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      • progpoker says:

        Boy, that’s fun to look at in hindsight!!

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      • India Maria says:

        Yeah. What a sanctimonious dope. Reminds me of Stupid Senator Mike Lee combo with Ex-Rep Huelskamp. Yet, I remain optimistic. He has been a budget hawk it seems, and 47 Dems and Shitheads McCain and Cochran voted AGAINST him, which means that McConnell not too thrilled with him either? Not bad group of scumbags to recommend him for THIS NUMBERS job. I would be less optimistic if he was DHS, but he might prove VERY useful.

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        • President Trump knows how to run budgets and has people who know what rocks to look under.

          He won’t be cutting into the “Rate of Growth”; he’ll be demanding a “Growing Rate of Cuts”. We’ve already seen a good start with his Hiring Freeze and year-one Staff Reduction Targets.

          He’ll demand the use of a meat-axe for years, before graduating to machete and Bowie knife. Don’t ever expect to see a scalpel.

          Trust in Trump.

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      • Sam Houston says:

        The last minute cracked me up the most. His whole performance was Oscar worthy, but the stats dropped in the last minute about TX are GOLD bc it shows the scare mongering bullshit we were shoveled the last 4 years after the republican “autopsy” from 2012. The autopsy that said we were supposed to turn a blind eye to illegals and embrace every victim group the left has created or otherwise we would NEVER EVER win again. Along comes Trump and on DAY 1 announces he is running on getting rid of illegal aliens and building a damn wall, and guess what?! He WON Texas! As a fellow Texan, I can tell you the great majority here are beyond sick and tired of illegal aliens and the pandering to them.

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        • vicschick says:

          Fellow Texan here and I could not agree more with your post. Right after 2012, we had Scott Rasmussen come and speak at our company. He said the exact same thing. The scaremongering and “Texas is gonna turn blue” pissed me off so bad, I walked out of the conference. I will not EVER support illegal aliens. My car insurance here in Texas went up almost $1,000 for 2017. Why? My agent told me it was because we have so many illegals here driving without insurance, most companies had to raise rates to cover the cost of accidents involving uninsured, illegal drivers. Spit!

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          • andi lee says:

            I guess ya’ll didn’t hear Senator Cornyn spouting off Texans didn’t want a wall.

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          • Mickey Wasp says:

            GM, vicschick – Fellow Texan here … and a reply to your ‘car insurance rate’.
            My lovely is a stenographer (Court Reporter) and did some freelance work for various law firms in 2015. She did some work for firms that had State Farm as a client. Within many of her hearings she recorded was illegal aliens suing Texans with insurance for accidents. As a professional, her job is to record these proceedings nothing more. Yet, she would come home and relay what was going on with these illegals, that had no drivers license, nor insurance, but had the right to sue … Well, explained what was going on. It’s a win-win for insurance companies and lawyers. If the illegals are allowed to sue – money for lawyers, a cash cow. Now, within these suits, the insurance companies can ‘justify’ raising the rates – if they have to pay out, say a million on lost lawsuits, but can in turn raise the rates on millions of law-abiding Texans – it’s another cash cow.
            Fortunately, some laws have been changed recently, such as requiring inspections before one can get a Texas Registration and the requirement of Proof of Insurance that is linked within a database that notifies the state of, or if your insurance becomes delinquent and will put ones DL in jeopardy.

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            • Actually,.that suing after an “accident” is a long-time scam run in various parts of the country by various ethnic groups. They get in front of a car on a freeway, then slow down suddenly, generating a “rear-end” accident, which, as pointed out by Mickey Wasp above, becomes very lucrative for many parties. I read about this in a novel written by a woman who was doing the same kind of work MW’s “lovely” was doing before she turned to fiction writing.
              Insurance scams are as old as insurance. Does anyone remember “Johnny Dollar, Insurance Investigator,” of radio serial fame? Anyone???

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      • sudsy49 says:

        It looks like POTUS and Cantaloupes both identified the necessity of cutting into the various ethnic voting blocks that normally go to the Democrats in order to win the White House. But they were diametrically opposed on how to do that. Cantaloupes seems to feel that PC is the only way to go and Trump proved him 100% wrong by doing the exact opposite and actually winning the office. Let’s hope Mulvaney understands which of the two philosophies has actually “Cantalouped” him into this incredibly important and powerful position and conducts himself in his official capacity accordingly. If not, I hope Mr. Trump’s spidey sense will be used to bring Mulvaney to heel. Personally, the impression I get of him from that clip is that I wouldn’t trust him any farther than I could see him.

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        • darcy says:

          I didn’t like the way he was lecturing his constituents — the manner he adopted was very condescending; even less did I like it that he chastised the 38% for being who they are — which is, as far as I can discern, a people being systematically replaced through the machinations of the left and their immigrant tools as well as the suck-the-life-out-of-the-country GOPe.

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      • WSB says:

        So Mulvaney can sort of figure out a few percentages of voting blocks in Texas, but has no intellectual curiosity on how all of those community-organized cantaloupes showed up on each Congressman’s desk.

        Then he laments the feelings of illegal drug traffickers with calves the size of cantaloupes running pot across the border, equating them with legal Hispanic-American voters?

        I am starting to feel sorry for cantaloupes. And us.

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      • Peter says:

        Omg. Watched cantaloupe guy.

        He is the absolute worst of the GOPe.

        The spineless white guilt types who keep preaching at us that we have no business thinking and saying what we think – can’t call a spade a spade cause it might offend a bleeding heart.

        Can’t stand this guy. Don’t care what trump says, can guarantee he hasn’t seen this speech. Yuk! What a mistake to put this jacka$$ in charge of the money. What da!?!? Swamp!

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      • kathyca says:

        Certainly not defending him, since I know nothing about him but this speech and that Trump nominated him. But I will note that the speech was given in Goose Creek, SC. The last time I heard the N word uttered by a white person with it’s originally intended meaning was in Goose Creek. And it was said without the slightest self-consciousness and in mixed company, including small children. I am originally from a large NE city, so I practically fell off my chair. It was not that long ago. I can see where, in that area, a large group of Republican voters might need to change their mindset to avoid losing election after election.

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      • Always wondered where that reference for him came from. His overall point seemed logical. But his anology could not have been worse.

        Mick telling a room full of Texans about illegal immigrants (who live in the shadows) a story about how they cleverly snuck into the bowels of the House of Representatives to place cantaloupes on desks out of anger…is no better than Killary’s fake southern drawl “I don’t feel no ways tired”.

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      • andi lee says:

        Interesting, maybe, only into the thinking of congress; and how they view their constituents back home, party lines and apparently, State lines.
        Mulvaney’s concern was Texas? (He had a valid point but still, he was talking to his constituents!)

        (Flashback: Podesta’s (HRC-DNC) emails referenced categories of people into food groups. [shiver!] What is it with these people and “their” food?)

        If the, below, linked article holds true, no cuts to SS, medicare, etc., but big cuts to EPA “and other domestic budgets”.

        http://www.goupstate.com/news/20170216/senate-confirms-mick-mulvaney-as-trumps-budget-chief

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      • deh3k says:

        I see why he’s tight with Ryan.

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    • my guess is you felt better not knowing like me??

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  9. Trumppin says:

    All set to Drain The Swamp!

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  10. Fe says:

    We’ll be watching like hawks….

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  11. petszmom says:

    again, as someone that looks at the details, i couldn’t help but notice how queen linda graham just couldn’t hustle fast enough to scramble around the others to get a great position behind the secretary and in line with the camera, baring her saliva dripping fangs over his back. odious doesn’t adequately represent what i think of this vermin.

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  12. Ellie says:

    Why did President Trump choose this man?

    I don’t get it.

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  13. SouthCentralPA says:

    We’ll know headway is being made when the news has stories of woe from erstwhile bureaucrats while some measure of improvement is happening where normal people live …

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  14. gamecock123 says:

    Cantaloupe. We watching you boy.

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  15. justfactsplz says:

    Pence seemed nervous in this video clip. He kept fiddling with his wedding ring and fingers constantly. I had never noticed him doing that before. He seems a bit edgy to me. Thoughts?

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    • Oldschool says:

      Pence has seemed this way to me since the Flynn thing. His deneanor is noticeably different.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        Yes, you are right. That is when it started. There is more than meets the eye with the whole Flynn fiasco. Once you are a GOPe does that ever get out of your blood?

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      • BobW462 says:

        Is he worried that the black hats will target him next with something that has been “on the shelf” …?? i.e. “Break Glass if Leverage Needed”

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      • Sam Houston says:

        Pence makes me nervous. Someone claiming to be an advisors son was on 4chan. He gave a synopsis of what’s going on behind scenes. Didn’t mention Pence specifically, but said the only people Trump knew he could trust were Conway, Flynn, Bannon and Miller. Said without Flynn, Trump is down to three and that they know they will target Conway next. Also said Flynn will be back advising in a few weeks, not in official capacity.
        All that said, no mention of Pence being trustworthy or in the inner circle.

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        • Oldschool says:

          I truly believe Flynn went deeper to serve POTUS. Maybe it’s more of a hope. How sad that we have fallen so far that we must suspect everyone.

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          • bofh says:

            I’m leaning in that direction as well. Flynn is an intel guy – he would know all about surveillance and such. He’s not some amateur that gets caught up in a wiretap. It’s hard to believe that he would knowingly do anything that could put him in some hot water like this. (And was the water hot? Was it even luke-warm? Not really. The whole thing doesn’t smell right.) So I’m starting to think that maybe he took one for the team, in some sort of plan to smoke out traitors and leakers. Time will tell, I guess.

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        • The “vagueness” of what Flynn did and did not tell Pence raises the question of what Pence asked and inferred or assumed as a result.

          President Trump would NEVER accept a cursory response to what may have been Pence’s off-hand question to Flynn – and then use it to answer questions to the press or the President himself. He would have drilled down to ensure he had both the full scope and level of detail he might need.

          Smells like Pence may have failed to asked the questions he needed to, answered questions he needed more specific input for, then hung Flynn out to dry when he was embarrassed, and then put President Trump in the impossible position of backing his VP or Flynn.

          If so, Pence should be VERY concerned … no third chances with President Trump.

          Worst Scenario: Pence purposefully set Flynn up. Time will tell.

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          • I find both of your points very relative. Just adding to not taking away from…

            There is always something missed when you don’t get the info straight from the horse’s mouth. Send someone else to get the info and get that person’s interpretation of the situation. Without pointing fingers it is a good lesson learned for all parties involved. Look forward. Learn from hiccups. Believe none of what you hear and very little of what you see. Pres has got this and is learning more and more each day who is and isn’t – who can and can not – and who will and will not.

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          • Fe says:

            At the press conference today, I noticed Pence and Preibus sitting together on one side, and Bannon, Miller, Kushner sitting together on the other side. Just an observation, not saying it means anything. I will say that I’ve never doubted Pence’s loyalty to Trump, but last night for the first time my intuition said keep an eye on him. I tweeted to @vp that we are watching him and not to betray our President. It’s probably just me over reacting to this Flynn thing, but still…..I can’t shake the feeling that someone in Trump’s inner circle is not as loyal and trust worthy as we think. Only time will tell.

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            • Red says:

              I saw a quick camera shot of Preibus and he looked a little wide eyed, sort of a blank expression, kind of a deer in the headlights look, but not an unknowing look. It was strange. Maybe I’m just over analyzing…..I usually do….

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            • Benson II says:

              All of the guess by commenters so far are better than anything I can come up with as far as laying out their argument but in my opinion Flynn did some kind of uncalled for goof and Pence got caught in the unenviable position of needing to point it out to Trump while feeling guilty he’d been so behind the Flynn appointment. Trump was put in the position of deciding what was best and decided cutting Flynn lose was the best option. I guess we all agree we don’t have enough facts to do anything but guess what happened but for some reason I’m glad Flynn is out of the picture.
              As for Pence being nervous as suggested in one comment…when was Pence not nervous? Even though he’s been in big league government before he’s never been in big stakes take over government no holds barred Trump type government before. Even though I think he was a brilliant choice for VP, in many ways I think he’s out of his league trying to play catch up. Being a successful politician has no comparison to being a successful billionaire entrepreneur.

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    • Red says:

      I gotta say Pence was doing a hell of a lot of literal hand wringing. That’s pretty weird, he sure seemed uncomfortable. I haven’t noticed this before, maybe he’s always done it and I didn’t notice until ya’ll pointed it out in this video….sure raises my antennas….?????

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    • Piper says:

      Alex jones did an interview today with a guy(forget who), he said Flynn, and one of Pence’s best friends had something to do with “pizzagate”. I will try and find you a clip and post it

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    • jupitercomm says:

      What is a wedding ring? The symbol of an oath. Still very much open to interpretation but you’re 100% on point to notice that kinda detail. Freud talked about stingy patients who fiddled w/ change in their pockets while in a session & interpreted the message as “Do I really wanna keep paying you for this?”

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    • Stormy says:

      JFP, Pence fiddling with his wedding ring jumped right out at me in this video clip as well… as a “tell” … a “tell” of what, I don’t know…

      I don’t remember ever seeing Pence do that before, either.

      I’ve watched most of the swearing-in ceremonies, and iirc, this is the first one with a cabal of GOPe in attendance.

      We.must.keep.praying.

      Are you still hoping to attend the rally on Saturday?

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      • justfactsplz says:

        I pray all of the time for President Trump and that no weapon formed against him shall prosper.

        My back issues are too bad to attend the rally and My DH said he was against it and that it would be too hard on me. I know he is right and I really did want to go. I will watch here and cheer President Trump on.

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  16. mot2grls says:

    Well his wife is cute.

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  17. El_Flaco says:

    As we have seen with past Obamacare votes, Mulvaney’s fiscal conservatism is most likely fake.

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  18. WSB says:

    The bad news for Mulvaney is that PDJT knows what every single little thing costs. And unlike past Presidents, he will run circles around Mulvaney.

    PDJT already knows in his head how he wants to cut, where he will obtain funds and dynamically score his budget. For example, just as one tiny example, Mulvaney will start understanding the value of Federal land that will be sold and a few other tricks to ‘PayGo’ tax cuts. There will be no offset taxes.

    This should be fun to watch.

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  19. SoCal Patriot says:

    Why do we trust the boss’ judgement in everything, but not in this selection?

    Liked by 5 people

  20. Phil aka Felipe says:

    ‘Linda’ Graham grinning over Mulvaney’s shoulder as if in heat is a concern.

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  21. Joe Collins says:

    Trump isn’t afraid to fire people.

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  22. Oh Joy Make GOPe Great Again 🙄

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  23. I’m confused. A few articles ago here at CTH, McCain is saying he will not support this choice, which tells me, SUPPORT TRUMP’S CHOICE. But then this article makes Mulvaney sound like a worrisome choice. Which is it?

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    • rsanchez1990 says:

      The reflexive reaction is deceiving. We shouldn’t automatically support something McCain is against. The reason Mulvaney has always been a worrisome choice is because he’s GOPe, he has towed the line with regards to illegal immigration. CTH thought that Mulvaney would be the one that the GOPe and Chuck Schumer would use to get a “win” on Trump.

      A lot has happened over the past few days, including Michael Flynn’s resignation and Andrew Puzder withdrawing from his nomination. It seems GOPe plans have changed and they allowed Mulvaney to go through, but we would have won more if they did succeed in blocking Mulvaney and opened themselves to criticism from Trump. Remember, one of the things Trump and Sean Spicer have been pushing for weeks is that the Democrats have been obstructing Trump and his Cabinet. When asked about Republican opposition, Spicer was emphatically highlighting the Democrats. If the GOPe succeeded in blocking Mulvaney, the gloves would have come off. Trump would be able to pressure Republicans in Congress, and we would have avoided a GOPe operative as OMB Director.

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    • Support Trump and Watch Mulvaney.

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  24. 3x1 says:

    While all this relentless pressure continues, never hurts to drop the President (and Pence, should you so choose) a postcard of support.

    You can never say thank you enough.

    Plus we have the President’s back like no CINC in recent memory.

    When they attack Trump, they attack us.

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  25. $1.2Billion and counting in the stock market exchange that wasn’t there before the election Mr Cantaloupes. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. And don’t forget to MAGA.

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  26. BMG says:

    The evening of the tin foil hats:

    This whole episode with Flynn makes no sense at all. Flynn, a savvy and highly experienced intelligence operative fails to dot an i and cross a t in his debriefing to Pence regarding an innocuous routine conversation he had with the Soviet Ambassador and thus gets fired? C’mon Man, really? And Trump, a very, very sharp dude, who didn’t let himself get pressured to sack Lewandowski and Manafort, now sacks Flynn in the blink of an eye?

    Never felt comfortable with either Pence or Priebus. I think Trump & Flynn are running a sting against the PP Boys based on reliable white hat Intel in order to flush out black hats in the IC, WH, and the Secret Service. Black Hats may have gotten to Pence, and Priebus is a Trojan Horse leaker inside the WH. Pence played his part in the sting and is now caught in-between.

    Trumps’ masterful attack today against the rabid MSM + the rally on Saturday rocks the weasel media back a bit and pushes Flynn and Russia to the back pages while Sessions goes about his investigation.

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  27. This PC reminded me of something…. Remember when that nut tried to charge the stage at the rally, the SS had to cover and remove DJT ? Remember the look on his face ? NO FEAR. Just resolve. That night brought me to total support for this man. WE are blessed.

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  28. jackmcg says:

    Spending will NEED to go down during the Trump admin.

    Any econ people here?

    Economic nationalism can drive the economy, but it can also drive inflation. With all the money coming back in to the country and being spread to workers, the “velocity of money” is going to soar.

    Way too many people get stuck on the libertarian-ish Chicago School rule that “government spending drives inflation”. But did you notice we had very low inflation under Obama even though he spent money like a madman?

    Here’s why: Everyday people weren’t spending the money… Obama’s spending was going right to the big dawgs who were making big investments. Thats not inflationary. Its lots of people spending money fast that drives inflation…velocity of money. Obama’s economy didn’t have that. Because that doesn’t really help Soros all that much.

    When you see inflation start to rise over the next couple of years… remember thats a good thing, as long they can control it at around 5% or so. It means lots of people can afford a new suit or a night out and they’re spending.

    (Then you raise interest rates, and people can get a decent rate of return from a savings account so they spend a little less and inflation goes down. Ahh, finding that balance. Might need to get Yellen outta there for that.)

    When you think monetary policy and inflation… never, ever forget about the velocity of money.

    More here: https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2014/september/what-does-money-velocity-tell-us-about-low-inflation-in-the-us

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  29. Trump won the Presidency against ALL odds. There is absolutely NO WAY he could have managed that without God. (To those of you that do not believe in God, Oh Well.)
    Trump has not once let this Country down as of tonight. As the most powerful person on the entire planet, he can do ANYTHING to ANYONE at ANYTIME for ANY REASON at his whim. He is not doing so. RELAX!!!!!!!!!!
    The matters of flushing out the spies, showing the rubes (regular average American) why he is doing what he is doing, battling the Mostly Swamp Media and their paymasters, getting his cabinet seated, keeping up to date on all the latest, remaining a family man, sleeping 3-4 hours a day max, staying alive, etc. is a bit more complicated and requires a bit more forethought than what one is going to wear to work the next morning.
    Trump is the Grand Master of all Grand Masters. He has proven he has what it takes, knows what needs to be known, does what needs to be done when it is best done, and no one can even touch him.
    RELAX!
    Trump has this. God is with Trump and his allies. There is plenty to do. Trump has been in office not even a month. He still has at the minimum, 47 more to go.
    Please STOP with all this CONCERN crap. It is doing no one any good. If the day comes when Trump ROYALLY screws up, we will ALL know it for what it is, and THEN we can worry. He has done nothing even close to this. Enough already.

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  30. ElGato says:

    My team will be presenting to Sec Price, in the near future, a proposal utilizing technology and a simple genetic test that will eliminate $150-200 billion per year from Medicare. Will keep my fellow Treepers updated.

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  31. ALEX says:

    Great pick…I hope they play the long game…Get the economy fixed in first four years,cut waste,pharmaceutical prices,tort reform, and all regulations etc etc …

    Then in the first year of President Trumps second term bite the bullet and restructure Medicaid and Medicare for the people under fifty etc . Probably lose many seats,but it has to be done and it would be foolish to sacrifice this last attempt at rebuilding Main Street by restructuring the big two so early….

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  32. Athena the Warrior says:

    One of President Trump’s favorite to do as businessman Trump is to read contracts and budgets. He reads them the way other people read the news. He LOVES to take bad deals and make them good. ‘Under budget and ahead of schedule’ isn’t just something he says, it what he lives by.

    I highly, highly doubt that the GOPe will be able to sneak anything by him. The GOPe Congress is in for a rude awakening if they think that will happen.

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  33. Piper says:

    Trump is on his own in Washington- there are NO friends to be had in that God forsaken town. The people that Trump has picked to lead will all be “compromised by the deep state. They will manufacture evidence of crimes and then force feed it to the public, just like they did with Flynn. I feel so sorry for our country that we have let things get this out of hand, and like President Trump said today , “so hateful!”. What is going on is an epic struggle between the powers of good and evil. This interview has some great points about how they are sabatoging Trump and why. http://www.infowars.com/obama-expanded-nsa-powers-days-before-leaving-office-now-theyre-being-used-to-sabotage-trump/

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  34. Anyone familiar with the means and methods of identifying moles understands that it is a game of bait and switch. 10 people on the list of possibilities, you can use the same juicy story 10 times with slightly different details, or use 10 different stories or any mix thereof. Trump appears to be mole hunting and is also using the slight of han…Oh look! Shiny!!!! Keep the MSM distracted on nothing burgers while doing the real deal on the other hand. Spicer and KaC are doing magnificently in their respective roles. Haven’t heard a thing from Sessions…hmmmm.
    All this freak out is by design people. Not meant for us though.
    Keep the faith and NEVER doubt DJT is working for us and our Country.

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    • Benson II says:

      I think even those keeping the faith (I consider myself one of them) worries and tries to dissect mysteries. I think it’s human nature.

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  35. ZurichMike says:

    I don’t understand the “cantaloupes” references and when I searched online it was in reference to Rep. Steve King of Iowa, not Rep. Mike Mulvaney of South Carolina:

    https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/12/steve-king-still-stands-by-cantaloupe-comments/

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/228474-whip-list-boehner-for-speaker (scroll down)

    Or am I missing another reference?

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    • georgiafl says:

      ZM, See the video under the Mulvaney thread when he spoke with his constituents about immigrants.

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      • ZurichMike says:

        I just watched it. In that clip, Mulvaney says NOTHING about amnesty. He rightfuly points out that the “cantaloupe” remark (which was not made by Mulvaney, but by Rep. Steve King of Iowa) was indicative of the vulgar faction of the GOP being dismissive of Hispanics. Later in the clip, Mulvaney says the Republicans need to figure out how to better attract what Reagan might have called “Big Tent” voters: Hispanics, blacks, gays, using the fact that legal Hispanic voters would make the difference soon in a place like Texas.

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        • sundance says:

          You should watch the whole Front Line video. At least the last hour. It’s a pretty good production actually.

          You’d see Mulvaney was actually acting as a covert immigration amnesty agent holding secret meetings with DC amnesty advocates. It’s all on film. The episode goes through the House republicans who were secretly supporting the Go8, but openly admitted their need to hide it from their constituents.

          The entire show is about how all was going according to a well designed secret plan of Boehner, McCarthy, Cantor, Ryan, Mulvaney and a few others… then WHAMMO Cantor got primaried 48 hours before the Thursday vote and it all fell apart.

          The context of the Front Line expose’ is how close they were to pulling it off.

          The depth of the lying by the republican GOP reps is on full display. It’s actually quite stunning.

          My guess is the Front Line team eventually released the video because they figured there could be some benefit from taking down the fibbers and maybe get a Democrat or two elected.

          Here’s the link:

          http://video.pbs.org/video/2365587196/

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  36. andi lee says:

    Hoping and praying for the very best of days to come. I’ve been contemplating writing again to my congressmen about the delays and stall tactics being presented. I fear it is intentional but I can find no proof. I keep praying for sunlight into halls of congress. Oh!

    Congratulations, Director Mulvaney & Mrs. Mulvanvey! Please take the chains off us!

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  37. I thought VP Pence was just fine; doing his job.
    Maybe your Tinfoil Hats are just a bit too tight tonight?
    Let this all play out; truth comes out in the end.
    Trust our President.

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  38. georgiafl says:

    Some time this evening, President Trump’s original Twitter feed hit 25 Million.

    Currently it’s 25,034,603.

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  39. no-nonsense-nancy says:

    I’m sure AG Sessions is Very busy behind the scenes investigating this stuff. He got a very late start, although I expect he was working at it while they were stalling his conformation. He is a quiet man and I don’t think he will ever put himself out there too much.

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  40. Fake Nametag says:

    After watching the cantaloupe video my first thought was that someone should have snuck into Congress after that and left TWO cantaloupes on Mulvaney’s desk to symbolize his need to “grow a pair”. Thank God President Trump came along, equipped with his own cantaloupes, and discredited that ridiculous PC/pandering strategy the GOPe was ready to run with.

    I hope at least that Mulvaney is good at math.

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  41. eksothen says:

    Maybe Priebus has to go. Maybe, deep state is placing their people whilst simultaneously are forcing out the President’s people. That is people that President Trump, shares the same goals and outlook !!!

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  42. Friend of Mick says:

    I’ve known Mick since the 7th grade. He will NOT let us down! As a congressman, he gave 20% of his budget back to the House unspent. Unheard of, they didn’t know what to do with it… Now on to bigger fish…the swamp itself. Go Mick!

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    • Benson II says:

      Good to know. If Mick’s the number guy and that’s what he’s good at that is what Trump needs. It seems Mick’s other beliefs won’t matter in this role. Maybe that’s how Trump looked at it to.

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  43. beaujest says:

    Trump keeps an Ace in his pocket until he needs it ! The opposition is just throwing mud against the wall hoping to find out what Trump has on them ! One of them will roll over !

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