Defense Contractors Meet With President Donald Trump: “It’s a dance, you know, it’s a little bit of a dance,”…

Ok, I admit.. this “winning” is almost way too much fun.  A few hours ago, key defense contractors and their government agency counterparts assembled for the first time with President-elect Donald Trump.

It cannot be overstated how fundamentally different this is for all parties involved. For the first time in their history, both sides are facing a President-elect without a single IOU on his desk from their large networked lobbying groups.  For them, both sides, the concept of prudent financial interest is at the forefront of the discussion.


For the first time in modern history the proverbial governmental trough has a gatekeeper…. His name is Donald J Trump.  Just pause for a moment and think about the scope of their collective new reality.

Better still, imagine yourself as a white hat inside the acquisition program and assigned to deliver the best “bidding process”,  and now you actually have Donald Trump on your side of the negotiation table.

OK, now smile, read and watch:


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(Via Reuters) […]  The Republican met with Dennis Muilenburg of Boeing Co and Marillyn Hewson of Lockheed Martin Corp at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, where he is spending Christmas.

“Trying to get the costs down, costs. Primarily the (Lockheed Martin) F-35, we’re trying to get the cost down. It’s a program that’s very, very expensive,” Trump told reporters after meeting with the CEOs and a dozen Pentagon officials involved with defense acquisition programs who he said were “good negotiators.”

Trump, who takes office on Jan. 20, has vowed to address government procurement costs as part of his industrial policy, which also includes taking a hard line on Chinese trade practices and renegotiating multilateral trade deals.

“It’s a dance, you know, it’s a little bit of a dance,” he said. “But we’re going to get the costs down and we’re going to get it done beautifully.”  (read more)


One of the meeting participants was Boeing’s CEO Dennis Muilenburg, who took a shot across the financial bow from Trump earlier this month on the $4.2 billion cost for replacing a pair of Air Force One planes.

Muilenburg, called the meeting “productive” and spoke admiringly of Trump’s “business head-set.”  “I think we’re looking to cut a tremendous amount of money off the price,” Trump said, while Muilenburg said he gave Trump a “personal commitment” that costs would not run out of control.

“We’re going to get it done for less than that, and we’re committed to working together to make sure that happens,” the CEO said.  Watch:


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326 Responses to Defense Contractors Meet With President Donald Trump: “It’s a dance, you know, it’s a little bit of a dance,”…

  1. i'm just sayin'.. says:

    Trump – CEO of the CEOs

    Liked by 13 people

  2. It is also possible, especially with software companies, to hold them responsible for the promises they make. Put into the contract a clause, that if they go past a certain date without producing a viable product, then the payment for their services is reduced by a certain amount every day. If the government would just do this, as part of government contracts, the companies would knuckle down and actually write the code they’ve promised to do.

    Liked by 11 people

    • Sunshine says:

      Yes, indeed. This would be under a Request for Proposal, special clause. I did work in this field (Call for Tenders and Request for Proposal, two different issues).

      Liked by 4 people

      • WSB says:

        Trump is very used to this, especially with architectural RFP’s and construction contracts; many times there are bonuses or penalties associated with ‘Time is of the Essence’ clauses.

        I am sure any one of Trump’s attorneys could intervene in his sleep. This should be part of any government contract, and maybe it is…but just not enforced.

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    • Kevin Sherlock says:

      AAI, a Textron subsidiary in Baltimore, makes military drones and their control systems. They have been very horny for hookups with Saudi government contracts … also hookups with government people in other Moslem lands. Why is our technology going to people who hate Amercans? AAI Textron needs to draw Trump white-hat fire, and undergo a thorough security audit to see what they’ve allowed foreign nationals who bow toward Mecca to peek at and pay for in the way of national defense info.

      Ellen Lord, CEO of Textron Systems, has the nickname of Ellen of Arabia because of all the Sheiks, err lamps she has rubbed while making wishes for Arab contracts. Her underling John Haywoard, who ran aspects of the Baltimore operation until recently, had the nickname of Wayward for a similar flawed globalist view. Maybe Lynndie England needs to be brought back and deputized to whip Ellen and her retinue of Textron traitors for selling out American technology to the financiers of jihad.

      Hopefully they will have the company of other sellout defense contractors in submitting to the lash (and some quality business retreat time in a federal incarceration facility).

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    • jbrickley says:

      No software company would sign such a contract unless there were protections for the company as well. Such as getting paid more and the deadlines would shift every time the requirements document changed. The whole point of a contract is to protect both parties. Independent developers should have an attorney present when working with any client and never ever sign blanket contracts without their lawyer reviewing it. This is why small business really doesn’t take contracts with the federal government. It’s a freaking nightmare and you will get bullied so you have to have an army of lawyers.

      What struck me as extremely unbelievable was the same company that messed up the healthcare computers in Canada and was being sued by the Canadian government was the one selected to build the federal ACA website.

      The initial website was absolutely horrific and it cost $2.1 Billion! (including IRS work and other agency integrations, all said and done). On day one only 6 people registered successfully and by day two it was 248. The site crashed completely multiple times a day and most people would start the process only to have it hang and freeze and not respond part way through. The construction of involved 60 companies, supervised by employees of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services instead of a lead contractor, according to the inspector general at the Health and Human Services Department. The project was marked by infighting among the contractors, CMS officials and top officials at HHS, the Cabinet-level department that oversees CMS, according to e-mails released Sept. 17 by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

      I am sure the technical requirements changed multiple times a day causing enormous delays in building the systems. The ACA was so confusing that no one really understood it and different interpretations resulted in differing instructions to the software developers. Add the 60 agencies in the loop with no gatekeeper and no one contractor in charge. Talk about bureaucracy run amok!

      Technically it used 92 files downloaded to the browser for each registration and 56 of them were large JavaScript files. The data was being parsed locally in your browser and error checked in your browser then multiple connections to multiple systems were being made. This basically meant that the site spent all it’s time downloading code to browsers and those millions of browsers effectively DDoS’d the servers (traffic flood DDoS = Directed Denial of Service and is an attack used by hackers to flood your servers with traffic to overwhelm them). There were very serious security flaws where you could pull someone’s data from the system if you had half a clue how web technology worked. It couldn’t be considered hacking because the system just gave you the data if you asked for it by manipulating the variables in the URL. The design was horrid, scary bad. Like it was written by a 13 year old in his mom’s basement sucking down Mountain Dew. Imagine every possible security problem, design problem and there you go.

      So what would Trump do? Well start an independent task force that answers to no one but Trump and make all the agencies and companies deal with the task force. No lobbyists, no big traditional government contractors, no red tape. The task force will maintain laser focus because they will have to answer to Trump.


  3. Ploni says:

    Why do I have the sentiment that that Boeing CEO guy doesn’t give a —- about making anything “affordable for the taxpayers”?

    And why the purple tie?

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    • BakoCarl says:

      I’ve seen purple ties in adverts on TV. Maybe, for the power set, purple is the new power tie of the moment.

      Liked by 4 people

    • Ploni: After speaking with PE Trump; Boeing CEO cares very much!

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    • aguila2011 says:

      You haven’t heard of the “Purple Revolution” sponsored by none other than G. Soros, the Nazi yute? Look into it. His revolutions attacking various countries are always coded by color. It is a ‘globalist’ signal.


      • KBR says:

        Which Soros plan, I strongly suggest we should resist by wearing purple, with no meaning attached, whenever we so choose and more often than usual while they make their attempt to identify purple as “their own signal.”
        A color cannot be a globalist signal unless we stop wearing it ourselves, and weakly “give it over” to their cause.
        At the very least we can confuse their signals, not allowing the globalists to immediately and easily spot friend from enemy.

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  4. fred5678 says:

    I never saw such a fine-lookin’ woodshed, complete with a comely young door-lady in her red Christmas dress. She gets the lumps out after Trump administers the azz-whuppin’.

    Liked by 11 people

  5. Sunshine says:

    I enjoyed reading the part of them seeing their stock price plunge. Shareholders are to be kept happy. This is one powerful leverage tool. Go TRUMP.

    Liked by 7 people

    • Exactly, and it reflects two aspects of his leverage. Think about it:

      Trump criticizes a company – their stock price goes down. (Power of Trump)

      A company criticizes Trump – their stock price goes down. (Power of Trump supporters)

      That’s multi-faceted, multi-dimensional, impenetrable leverage, and is precisely why GOPe politicians are scared and why CEOs are going to begin to fall in line.

      More winning and it feels so good! 😀

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  6. CharterOakie says:

    SD — thanks for the current Fed. Gov’t / Defense Contractor overlap schematic.

    Perot called it “the revolving door” between government service and lobbying. He was right.

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  7. PE Trump to Press: “Everybody comfortable? Everything OK? Need anything”
    Love it!!!

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  8. PatriotKate says:

    I don’t think he has to whoop their azzes at all. I think he probably tells them what he wants to accomplish and he needs their help to do it. From there, they start negotiating. He’s too smart for them to bamboozle him. Then, he heaps praise upon them in a very public way. From that point forward, it becomes their goal to please him, because they know he will appreciate and reward. And they will.

    It won’t be long when Cabinet officials are bringing all sorts of cost-cutting ideas to the table from career staff. The ones that can’t handle it will weed themselves out and much downsizing will occur through attrition.

    I’d like to find out where the $6 Trillion that they can’t account for at the Pentagon went to.

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  9. Jeffrey Leyerle says:

    It’s really quite amazing how Mr. Trump’s first year in office could, comparatively speaking, stomp Mr. Obama’s lame duck presidency into the legacy dustbin. It’s fun to play the negotiation game as well, and having Trump in the lead helps us know where to direct our strategic efforts more effectively. Watch and learn.

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  10. Bull Durham says:

    F-35, the stealth 5th Generation Boondoggle of All Time.

    Pentagon denies Trump’s ‘out of control’ cost claim on F-35,

    “Trump has assailed the F-35’s costs on Twitter and at rallies in recent days as he vows to change the Defense Department’s business practices. “The F-35 program and cost is out of control,” Trump wrote last week on Twitter. “Billions of dollars can and will be saved on military (and other) purchases after January 20th,” inauguration day.

    “But Bogdan also revealed a new, if minor, delay for Lockheed’s marquee jet during a briefing updating the F-35’s status, saying the Pentagon has directed the program office to plan for development flight-testing to end as late as May 2018 instead of the planned September 2017 completion date because of software delays and other test issues.

    “Bogdan told reporters he estimates flight testing could end by February 2018. Completing the flight test phase will cost an additional $532 million that will come from within the program or be repaid from the military services from F-35 funds borrowed years ago, he said.”

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  11. Anthonydog says:

    Boeing receives 95% of all corporate welfare. The petulant barnacle appears to have just been informed he must now make his own bottom line honestly and without picking American taxpayers pickets –or without fake treaties with Iran where Iran promises to buy a cadre of Boeings before reneging in favor of Airbus AFTER Iran gets American taxpayers $150 Billion bucks.

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    • way2opinionated says:

      How does Boeing get 95% of all corporate welfare? Are they farmers?

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      • If that is a swipe at farmers, you need to know that not much goes to farmers. Look at
        USDA’s total outlays for 2017 are estimated at $151 billion. Roughly 83 percent of outlays, about $126 billion, are associated with mandatory programs that provide services as required by law. These outlays include crop insurance, nutrition assistance programs, farm commodity and trade programs, and a number of conservation programs. The remaining 17 percent of outlays, estimated at about $25 billion, are associated with discretionary programs such as WIC; food safety; rural development loans and grants; research and education; soil and water conservation technical assistance; animal and plant health; management of national forests, wildland fire, and other Forest Service activities; and domestic and international marketing assistance.


  12. jeans2nd says:

    I love the inclusion of Navarro and Icahn in their respective roles. Most excellent.

    Am not certain about each included general being a white hat, but am definitely hopeful. Too much winng? Nah, we can handle it. May I have some more, please?

    Liked by 5 people

  13. anarchist335 says:

    When you hear Military Industrial Complex think Lockheed.

    Liked by 4 people

  14. Alison says:

    Sundance, I detected giddiness in your earlier economic winning post. Your joy is infectious 😊

    Liked by 3 people

  15. anarchist335 says:

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    • Bull Durham says:

      “Capability” is the trap. The brass always pitches the “capability” of the next generation whatever. The reality in the world of military aviation is the F-35 is regarded with scorn. The F-22, F-18, F-16 are regarded as excellent. That is from all the world, the world that matters. Russia, China, India. They build and consume and use military aircraft. They compete with American planes. One thing is unison. The F-35 is a dangerous joke of a product. It has all kinds of “capability”, but it will never dominate or sustain its missions.
      It’s a waste of money.

      All the bells and whistles of the plane mean nothing. It is a stand-off platform from 100+ miles. If it flies into a combat engagement zone, it will be like a dirigible compared to what it will face from an adversary.

      The people who approve of it are part of the program, thus, biased. Even some regular aviators have approved it. But, what matters are what the world’s best designers (including American designers) and how others regard it. They really think it is going to be a massive fail, tragic if used in warfare.

      Just recall a very simple weapon. M-16. Vietnam. It was a disaster of a combat rifle. Most infantry took up captured AK-47s instead. It took Colt a few years to get it working as its “capability” was pitched. Meanwhile the AK-47 swept the world and is still the standard of reliability and performance, with later version AK-74 and newer developments replacing it for Russian military.

      I hope Trump keeps his eyes and ears open when these guys pitch “capability”.

      By the way, what war are we going to use a F-35 in?

      Think about the mission, not the capability.
      I know the F-35 will not ever be used as designed against Raqqa, Mosul or any other city turned ISIS hellhole. Nor against North Korea’s deep mountain cave system of defense.

      So, what war?

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      • Christopher Pate says:

        The problem wasn’t the M-16 rifle. The military refused to change their powder type in their requisitioned ammunition. That, and there were personnel who wrongly believed that the rifle didn’t need to be cleaned. With that being said, the F-35 will wind up being a disaster. They should have ordered an updated Warthog and Harrier.

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      • rmnewt says:

        its not so much the airplane as its the program. Too big to fail, will fail any cost – value measures.


  16. lbmomblog says:

    long years back, in 1979, I took computer programming classes at a local jr. college. I recall being the only female in those classes – and most importantly surrounded by intelligent young men …who were not only knowledgeable beyond my immediate grasp, but would eat, drink, and sleep computer programming. I recall thinking each day…how did I get here, in these classes with such brilliance? Each day I would sit around small tables in class and listen, and learn. I bring this up because when reading some of the posts on The Last Refuge I have a feeling of Déjà vu – as if I were back in those classes again, not that I am the only female here, but surrounded by knowledge of things I have never known before. And, I sit and I listen, and participate in the evolvement of knowledge.

    Excellent writing Sundance. The article on Defense Contractors Meeting…the written words, reeled me in.

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  17. Illegal says:

    We should fix and maintain what we have.

    Liked by 2 people

  18. 3x1 says:

    Tony and Heather Podesta made tens of millions lobbying for defense contractors.

    Putting dollar amounts on lobbying is important. The “patriotic” MIC adds lobbying costs to the tab. We wind up paying pervert Podesta’s salary.

    Mergers were terrible for the taxpayer. Little to no competition left. No leverage when sole-source contractors misbehave.

    We should trash the F35 and ban contracts with any outfit employing former F35 procurement officers (and “involved” former congress and staff). The F35 “can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run” and was wrecked by the Chinese in a RAND simulated battle. The smartass F35 program manager ridiculed the test as done by “people living in their mom’s basement” Guess what, both people running the sim were ex .mil pilots, one with combat F15 experience.

    These idiots promote bad relations with Moscow to pimp their overpriced junk. Russia is not going to get into a hot war with us.

    Boeing moved HQ to Chicago to suck up to Obama.

    Junk the F35 and LCS. Build more boomers and F22’s.BAN former .mil & Congress for 5 years before jumping to a MIC contractor. Ike was right.

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  19. Sally says:

    Trump is a great dancer.

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  20. Ron says:

    I know an old man who used to be involved with some little tiny government contracts for minor things. He explained to me how it used to work.

    Basically, some geek would decide that they need 5 screwdrivers 7″ long and with a red handle. So they’d call his company to ‘make’ them. He’s a very common sense guy and would explain that you can buy a 6.5″ screwdriver with a blue handle, won’t that work? They’d respond that no, they need a 7″ one with a red handle because that’s what the paper says.

    Now, the other one would probably work just fine, but it’s not what the geek who wrote the paper wrote on the paper. Nobody asks who actually NEEDS the screwdrivers if 6.5″ is alright, and if a blue handle is alright… they just go by whatever bureaucracy has decided is needed.

    So he makes a jig, and one-off tooling, and makes 5 special screwdrivers that cost 10 grand to produce when the ones on the shelf would have been 12 bucks total cost.

    This stuff happens NON STOP in government expenditures, and that’s on the contracts that are STRAIGHT.

    Imagine the money that’s being wasted on the contracts that are purposefully given to specific companies for kickback reasons, etc. if this much is wasted on the ones that are just sloppiness.

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  21. hope folks didn’t miss this..

    A leaked communication between the Trump transition team’s Undersecretary of Defense for policy Brian McKeon, and the Pentagon, has revealed the four biggest defense priorities for the president-elect. Among the top four items listed in the memo from are:
    1) developing a strategy to defeat/destroy ISIS;
    2) build a strong defense by eliminating budget caps/the sequester,
    3) develop a comprehensive cyber strategy, and
    4) eliminate wasteful spending by finding greater efficiencies.

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    • Millwright says:

      I sincerely hope a large part of President Trump’s program will be “beans , bullets and black oil ” programs. Too often past administrations – and Congresses – have been invested in “gee whiz” to the detriment of maintaining sufficient supplies of consumables and parts to keep what we’ve got on top line ! Right now our forces are scrounging junk yards and static displays for mission-critical parts ! Casuialities are a FO: for our military, but they shouldn’t happen because our “Boots on-the -ground” troops lack sufficient consumables like ammunition for training purposes.

      Liked by 2 people

    • KBR says:

      Deliberate or not, the meme of a “leaked document” is not a good thing because it smacks of disloyalty or ineptitude, or of the appearance of such.

      Liked by 1 person

  22. Millwright says:

    Was once a “white hat” ( of a sort) myself on a small scale. Didn’t take long for the “black hats” to gang up on me, either !

    Liked by 1 person

  23. flitetym says:


    Naah … we’re DEPLORABLES!

    Liked by 1 person

  24. rmnewt says:

    Trump spotted the shortfalls instantly, now to fix it consider:


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