Polls? Today’s Hillary Clinton Tampa Rally -vs- Donald Trump Tampa Rally…

The media polls seem to be moving in a positive direction for Donald Trump, but that’s not the whole story.  What’s really going on is the media smoothing out the methodology and assumptions while trying to remain relevant. Nothing more.  Polls don’t swing 15+/- points every few weeks…. it just doesn’t happen.

As we have outlined for years, all “media polling” is fraught with the same ideological bias inherent in the publication and broadcasting of those media entities presenting their interpretation of their constructs. Nothing more.

Consider this visible contrast.  The Tampa/St.Petersburg area is home to over 2 million Florida residents (largest metropolitan area on the West Coast of Florida).

Here is Hillary Clinton’s rally today in Tampa Florida, which was specifically held on USF campus because the venue ensured a captive student populous:



(Top two are venue as set up, and as supporters arrived) To be fair to candidate Hillary Clinton here’s the best picture we can find of the event capacity while she was speaking:hillary-tampa-3

Approximately 500 students, teachers, union members and supporters attended.  Considering how poor her last two months of campaign events were, this was actually a fair crowd amid a population nearing two million.

Now lets take a look at the last campaign rally by Donald Trump in the exact same area.  Tampa / St. Pete:

trump rally tampa 13

trump rally tampa 12

trump rally tampa 10

trump rally tampa 17

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trump rally tampa 18

trump rally tampa 7


Any Questions?

Trump will carry Florida easily.

It won’t be close folks, it won’t even be close.

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133 Responses to Polls? Today’s Hillary Clinton Tampa Rally -vs- Donald Trump Tampa Rally…

  1. Paco Loco says:

    Let’s GOTV everywhere for Trump!

    Liked by 4 people

  2. Alison says:

    Did she speak, bark or hack?

    Liked by 13 people

  3. David says:

    This is the best time to be ALIVE AND BREATHING!!! Hope Hillary goes into one of her fitz when the tallies are done… her head will unscrew

    Liked by 1 person

  4. Zelda says:

    The Evil Soros says that Trump will win the popular vote but not the Electoral College. Sigh. Then, Evil Obama in conjunction with his Flying Monkey, Jeh Johnson are working to make people think that the Russians will try and hack the election so therefore, they, Obama and Johnson, should take over the election process in all 50 states to ensure a “fair election”. Sigh. When will this garbage end? I have never seen such a bunch of evil people in my life and I have been around the block a few times in my life.

    Liked by 27 people

    • mtatina says:

      Amen,Zelda. My exact thoughts

      Liked by 3 people

    • indigo710 says:

      Article I section 4, Article II , section I
      AND the 10th amendment.
      Yes , I know obama has no regard for following our Consitution but he cannot take over this or any election. We, The People will rise up against this tyranny.

      Liked by 11 people

      • lou Ann Watson says:

        obama would wind up with multiple lead injections…he’d never be safe again. no one would care what color he was.

        Liked by 1 person

      • Linden says:

        Your governor, state Attorney General, and legislators should be contacted to tell them to tell the feds to take a hike! It’s up to them to stand up to this tyranny.


    • Sunshine says:

      They are now relying on electoral college. This is how bad it is.
      As I understand it, electoral college has rules and for almost all states, they vote along same principles as primaries i.e. according to popular vote.


    • Tparty says:

      This new App is going to change the polling ‘construct’ for good. It’s time to let the people vote in polls with far more accuracy than biased polling outfits claiming 3 or 4 percent margin of error (6-8 percent total). How about a margin of .002 % in 185,000 precincts across the U.S.? It’s called Pollmole and it is scheduled for release soon … maybe 2 weeks.
      It’s an app designed to Make Elections Fair Again (MEFA)

      Skip to 41 minutes to her discussion of the product and it capabilities by the founder….


      Liked by 1 person

    • kelly trosper says:


      Polls are the camouflage needed to prevent unrest when they steal it.. If enough people think “well..polls DID show a pretty tight race all the way!!!” then there will be no backlash.

      Stealing the election won’t take efforts across the nation.. It’ll take targeted efforts in certain areas. These key areas go for Clinton and she’ll get the electoral count she needs.


    • 108nams says:

      Each day that Maobama and Hitlery avoid prison a new horrible news story pops up. Today it’s Hemorrhagic something-or-other fever from millions of unvetted new migrants.

      I’m not sure if the wheels of justice are turning in our favor yet or not, but I’ve made up my mind to hang on until November 8th. After that, it better be Trump&Pence.


  5. Pam says:

    I agree totally Sundance. If this election isn’t stolen, Trump should win hands down!

    Liked by 1 person

  6. beelza says:

    This is my biggest concern also. The only solace I take in this matter is Sundance seems not to be bothered by it.

    Liked by 3 people

  7. Joe Knuckles says:

    Says who?


    What polls?

    All of them.


    This exchange will be repeated until the end of time.


  8. Sanj says:

    I tweeted this earlier. As a resident, Tampa is in Hillsborough county, one of the key counties in the swing I4 corridor which is coveted by both sides. Trump had 15k twice at rallies with thousands who didnt get in. Hillary had to scrape to get 400 staff, security and students. Also, the local radio news channels have been discussing/promoting this appearance for a week, vs. Trump supporters who had to find out through social media. Romney lost this county by a little in ’12 and lost Florida by 79k. Trump will crush it in Florida

    Liked by 15 people

  9. mcfyre2012 says:

    Trump set the all-time attendance record at the USF Sun Dome, previously held by Elton John.

    Liked by 8 people

  10. DJF says:

    Tampa newspaper says 1,500 — which still isn’t much of a turnout.


  11. Sedanka says:

    New narrative in the wild, it’s already being pasted on Twitter and into comments at Breitbart – as a male, Trump has a statistically higher chance of dying in his early 70s (in his first term as President) than Hillary does as a female. “So who’s really healthier?”



  12. Stringy theory says:

    Polls, schmoles. The crowds are the real polls.

    Go Trump!!

    Liked by 1 person

  13. Bocephus01 says:

    Looking forward to your November 9th, 2016 Trump victory article that will end with :
    ‘It wasn’t close folks, it wasn’t even close’

    Liked by 20 people

  14. keeler says:

    With the polls “narrowing” there appears to be an effort by the media to focus on the Electoral College.

    For example, I’ve noticed Reuters is starting to push the idea that Clinton has a significant advantage in the EC. This is nonsense when you consider the fact they are allocating margin-of-error states. They are giving Florida’s votes for Clinton, which is absurd.

    It’s just another coat of paint being slapped on the rickety Clinton campaign to hide all the rust.

    Liked by 3 people

  15. flyingtigercomics says:

    RFK was a slamdunk too.

    We need to be watchful.

    Liked by 2 people

  16. Matthew Hashman says:

    What it looks like is happening is the media is showing Trump ahead to cause better democrat turnout. And, if they decide to steal the election, it will be easier the closer the polls are, if the polls are teetering back and forth into November. Nothing will ever be the same after this. Thank God, and good old fashioned Americans for that.

    Liked by 2 people

    • grainofsalt2 says:

      “What it looks like is happening is the media is showing Trump ahead to cause better democrat turnout.”

      Yup! They are pivoting now instead of showing the Crooked being way ahead like they did in the past. Not only that they want the Trump supporters to be confident so they will not go out to vote. It is PsyOps. WE must not listen or be influenced by these people even if it comes from our own. We ALL need to go out in droves to vote.

      Liked by 1 person

      • ladypenquin says:

        Except for the faithful, dependent Democrat base, there isn’t anything about Hillary’s candidacy that encourages a positive response or turnout in November. We’re all diehards, and Trump has brought in huge numbers of voters because he is on the ticket, but the same isn’t going to hold up for the Democrats without Obama.

        Hillary’s Democrats, except for their diehards, are going to be dealing with an indifferent voting populace this time. Trump going to blue states is telling us something…

        Liked by 1 person

        • Marsha5 says:

          Marsha5 says:
          September 19, 2016 at 7:41 pm
          Hillary….Dirty tricks & lies gets you an empty Temple University turn out…an empty National Baptist Convention…Tampa Rally vacant seats. All I see is your missing base…they’re MIA like you were/are. Now where’s that record you wanted us to judge you on? Anybody?


      • lbmomblog says:

        grainofsalt2,exactly what I was thinking this afternoon on my way home from work. ditto.

        Liked by 1 person

    • lbmomblog says:

      totally agree Matthew. Ditto, Ditto, we need to be vigilante of the traps. And, not just us. the Team needs to be careful, this is a scam/scheme.


  17. Pam says:

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  18. 3x1 says:

    Hillary uses a “low-vision” podium with very large visual cues. This is so she does not miss the steps or topple over the edge during a “double-vision” or “short-circuit” moment:

    The arrow points towards the steps. The large white squares define the “safe space” in the middle of the podium.

    Looks like they rolled out the gymnastics mats for further fall protection.

    USF-Tampa has 2 gyms. East and North.

    This looks like the one without fixed bleachers. 2 basketball courts @ 50×94′

    100′ x 100′ total, for crowd, media, candidate keepout area and props.

    For a Presidential campaign, in a large metro area, it’s weak.

    Liked by 11 people

    • Janie M. says:

      The majority of comments at the Tampa Bay Times and the local Patch publication are negative about Hellery. Tampa Bay claims there were 1,500 attendees, lowered from 1,600.


      • 3x1 says:

        Crowd counting is interesting.


        A dense crowd is ~4.5 sq. ft. per person.

        1500 people would thus occupy ~6750 sq ft

        The gym in question is ~10,000 sq ft

        Was 2/3 of the gym packed with people?

        I’d say no. Maybe 30-40%, which would put the crowd at 670 to 900.

        Remember the size of the gym has been condensed by cutting the corners behind (angled stands), pigpen in the middle, security at doors, media platform behind.

        Weak crowd for a Presidential candidate.

        Liked by 4 people

        • 3x1 says:

          It would be a neat job for an honest statistics class to crowd count any of Hillary’s rallies.

          Liked by 2 people

        • TeddyOn20th says:

          I thought that giant blue arrow on the podium was part of Hillary’s logo but I now see that it’s telling her which direction to walk in!


        • testpointwp says:

          Let’s count. I put the photo above into Photoshop, enlarged it and divided into four rectangles (horizontal and vertical). I divided the upper right quadrant into two more rectangles since it has the most people. If the picture was unclear, too bright or too pixelated to determine if a person was standing in the area, I counted it as a person anyway based on the density of the group.

          By my unofficial count there are 266 on the left, 291 on the right for a total of 557.

          That count includes Hillary, the security detail and the camera personnel.


    • BAM says:

      Notice the handrails. At the pictured Trump rally, NO handrails.


      • 3x1 says:

        She has them at every event. Uses both hands when deplaning.

        She grips the microphone and lectern. Always has something in her hands or moves them.

        She has advanced Parkinson’s disease and has shown hand contortions when not holding on to something.

        There is a good video on this by an experienced MD.

        Liked by 1 person

        • janc1955 says:

          I saw that video here, yesterday, and I’m definitely down with the Parkinson’s diagnosis. All the puzzle pieces fit for PD.

          Liked by 1 person

          • Coldeadhands says:

            My mother passed on as a result of Parkinson’s. She definately had coughing spells though not as severe as Hillbomb’s.

            Liked by 1 person

            • 3x1 says:

              Sorry for your loss.

              Air travel can exacerbate some coughing, depending on the root cause. It’s dry air, which is bad for mucous membranes. It’s also recirculated air, and we don’t see her staff or press pool coughing.

              Liked by 1 person

            • JC says:

              My dad died of Parkinson’s, too, Cold. He didn’t have as frequent coughing spells as the Crooked Crone, but when he had them, they were very bad and prolonged. He did not, however, have any “short-circuit” episodes and only had a couple of mental lapses at the very end. Then again, he didn’t have the additional complications from a head injury that resulted in a concussion and cerebral venous thrombosis prior to PD diagnosis.

              If, indeed, there is PD in addition to hrc’s other health problems, the polls will soon mean nothing, as it’s ridiculously apparent that health issues have advanced to a critical stage. We may very well be faced with the strange dynamics of a candidate who is unable to advance to the Presidential election due to rapidly declining health or death.

              I can’t imagine that she’d win an election against Trump – ever – but if fraud placed her in the WH, I don’t think impeachment would be far behind; preponderance of evidence is too great and can only intensify with each passing day between now and January 20, 2017. Either way, through illness, death or impeachment, Kaine-the-ludicrous could become President. Mind-boggling thought. Nothing to fret over; I believe Teump will win by a gasp-worthy landslide. Just another impetus to work like crazy to ensure Trump becomes President Trump.

              Liked by 2 people

          • 108nams says:

            Prayers for you to be strong and remember your real identity as a child of God Almighty.


  19. Trumped says:

    There are at least 100 local democrat operatives at every rally that vote dem no matter what. Discount them.

    Liked by 2 people

  20. Trumped says:

    It’s pure comedy..

    Liked by 2 people

  21. 3x1 says:

    USF East gym (empty)

    2 college courts (@50′ x94′) – total roughly 100′ x 100′

    Highschool courts are 50 x 84

    Actual, usable crowd space is maybe 1/4 of that. Media has the back 1/4, side stands are used to fill in, only 3 deep. Center bullpen (i should say pigpen, after her phlegm spitting display) takes another quarter.

    So you’re left with ~40′ x 60′ for audience. That’s the size of a large house. Her campaign is built on Hollywood deceptions. No crowds. Bad candidate.

    Liked by 6 people

  22. NewOrleans says:

    In that ‘best picture,’ is that her medical ‘handler’ on the left side of the floor standing in front of the patriotic bunting? He’s been in hiding recently, but popped back up on the plane during her coughing fit yesterday.

    Liked by 1 person

  23. 3x1 says:

    Yes. Mystery Doc is on her left (the podium arrow points right to him)

    Liked by 1 person

  24. marcyo13 says:

    Denial. Who could look at those crowds for Trump vs Hillary and conclude she has a prayer of winning, much less any kind of lead? This serious, unbelievable denial that the MSM, Democrats and all the usual suspects in DC are stuck in is the most astonishing phenomenon I’ve ever witnessed. It’s like mass hypnosis. I think when Trump wins the disbelief and hysteria will be something for the history books. My son says the Democrats and the elite think they are invincible. It’s pure madness.

    Liked by 7 people

  25. HC says:

    So. Last week here in Brooksville FL, several Federal i^^migr@tion officers arrived at a peanut farm and asked to speak with 60 workers. I just knew we were likely getting a fine. I was informed that wouldn’t happen as long as the workers agreed to a new govt program.
    In a nutshell, a couple hours later the workers emerged with new living arrangements in section 8 housing in Hernando county, new cellphones and VOTER ID CARDS. They were specifically instructed that they would need to vote for Hillary because Trump would send them back. Speechless.
    This is how it’s happening folks. Not sure if they were legit INS and HUD agents or operatives, regardless they produced valid voter cards on the spot and these people think they owe a debt of gratitude to the one who’s name we shall not mention.
    Placed several calls to the Hernando County supervisor of elections. None were returned. Also asked several well connected people to relay the info to Putnam. Crickets.
    Imagine the impact of this nationwide. Farms, fields, groves, packing plants. My faith in everything I thought I knew about my country is shattered. I really don’t want to wind up a victim of the <|!^t0^s, but we should all recognize shenanigans are afoot and they are very real.

    Liked by 3 people

  26. Happy Days are here again…….


  27. Tom says:

    But you do not factor in shillarys election fraud using electronic voting machines


  28. Sandra says:

    Another brilliant Sundance thread. 🙂 I laughed out loud when I scrolled down to the Trump Tampa photos. Hahaha!


  29. gayla1957 says:

    i hope i am replying to the trump/clinton florida rally comparisons article… those pics at the top were really funny, starting with hillary’s rally and moving on to trump’s rally, LOL! i hope trump wins and that he can handle it. he is a newbie to this venue, a real person, not a coached and polished politician. does anybody remember Eddie Eagle from the winter olympics maybe 30 years back? he was new to ski-jumping and took a lot of falls, but we loved his bravery and heart. i think trump is brilliant enough and sincere enough to learn on the job.


  30. JohnPaulJohnes says:

    On Predictit.org Hillary been dropping all day, now Biden is making big rise.


    People have inside info Hillary is dropping out?


  31. JohnPaulJohnes says:

    I really liked the 3rd photo, big crowds real nice also, but showing Trump on small stage, looking small against huge scenery makes it look more powerful, one man with courage to stand alone with a huge message for many seems surreal.

    Liked by 1 person

  32. Joe Collins says:

    Even if the more favorable polls for Trump are simply the media readjusting their bias, it is encouraging to see Trump doing so well. It was mighty hard to see him so far behind for so long. Yes,yes, I know the media manipulates these media polls . . . but it gets discouraging to see low polls numbers for our candidate.

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  33. doit4atlas says:

    Same for PA. We have a house in the Poconos in northeastern PA, about 45 minutes from Scranton. This past weekend, I saw Trump signs taped on two BUSINESS signs in the small little town near our lake house. That’s right, businesses are actually ADVERTISING that they are Trump supporters!

    Had a guy in the local supermarket stop and chat with me because he saw my MAGA hat. And got numerous thumbs up from all kinds of folks.

    Scranton area went twice for Obama, ain’t gonna happen this time. Furthermore, Luzerne county, where my old stomping grounds are, in and around Hazleton, is a bellwether county for presidential elections is polling for Trump by over 15%, and that was BRFORE his trips to Baton Rouge and Mexico.

    It won’t even be close in PA.

    Liked by 5 people

    • fleporeblog says:

      Doit4atlas I have been checking the axiom battleground poll dail. They haven’t updated it since July 15th. Luzerne is the county for PA. Could you send links with the poll you are referring to?


  34. Pam says:

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  35. Johnny Carpenter says:

    Trump/Pence 2016

    Liked by 1 person

  36. Sharon says:

    In Everett, WA (a blue state), 10,000-13,000 attendees at Trump rally. I was there. What a blast!

    Liked by 4 people

  37. David laird says:

    I think there is something with the picture of her rally…look at the first with the police milling around at a check point…. and look at the 2 flags on top and to the right of her stupid sign and that black wall and how many chairs do you see? 4 chairs!…look at second picture more flags no wall and the next picture looks like the different podium layout….looks weird to me..now the last picture….look on the far left and look at all the people sitting down …does not look like bleachers…..they all suddenly brought bunch of chairs? seems like like something is off….

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  38. Duke Taber says:

    Who is Matilda the Hun with Her Majesty here? Didn’t like the poll question. LOL


  39. lbmomblog says:

    Sundance, you mention in your post that What’s really going on with Media Polls suddenly showing Trump rising could very well be media smoothing out the methodology and assumptions while trying to remain relevant.

    I am skeptical of Media polls. I think it may be more of CNN and other media outlets trying yet again to help out Hill, by thinking that if they show Trump ahead in the polls they 1. might slow the vote turnout down and 2. slow the Trump enthusiasm, and finally 3. begin to give Hill a little sympathy votes. A watchful eye on the sympathetic vote may be warranted on our part. As the coughing spats, and the attention to her illness…..some may lean sympathetically.

    And, while I am on that subject…it may be wise to begin to think…if Hill/elected and becomes ill and not able to fulfill her term…we would be stuck with whats’ his name. Jolly Jelly Bean.

    Kellyanne & Trump team (all of us) need to remain vigilante …don’t fall for the traps. Careful on this health subject,keep slightly off of it , allow it to whisper not yell from the mountains for a bit.
    I smell the scent of a set up. I think it may be good time for American’s to think…what have you got to win? Jolly Jelly Bean as THE step-in POTUS. Ghost Busters agast.

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  40. freepetta says:

    Ty Sundance I always count on the refuge to look at things fairly.

    Sent from my iPhone



  41. rebel53blog says:

    During the Florida primary, Rubio had roughly the same crowd size as Hillary in Tampa. Trump won 66 of 67 counties in Florida.

    Liked by 1 person

  42. Bunny says:

    I live in Tampa, and had no idea she was even here. Now, when Trump visits, you KNOW it. Excitement fills the air, lots of people talking. Again, I didn’t even know she was here. There are Trump signs EVERYWHERE down here, in neighborhoods of different incomes.


  43. aredtailblog says:

    Of course Hillary has to have a captive audience, in the real meaning of the word “captive”. Meanwhile, people will come to Trump eagerly, both from the area and from outside the county, mileage be damned.


  44. cheryl baker says:

    I’m not going to believe in the Polls. I see the amount of people that attend Trump’s rallies and Clinton’s rallies. There has to be something meaningful there. How many rallies has Hillary Clinton actually did? To me, she’s not out there talking to the people. Who’s running for President? President Obama, First Lady, Mr. Clinton. He doesn’t deserve the title X- President, Chelsea? So who’s running for President?


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