Waco “Twin Peaks” Shooting Update – No-One Charged

Interesting news blurb update amid an otherwise memory-holed story now almost six months old.

TEXAS – […] Of the 135 people originally ordered to wear GPS ankle monitors, all but 22 have been allowed to remove them, the Waco Tribune-Herald reported Sunday. Their lawyers have reached agreements with prosecutors to modify the conditions of their pre-trial release.

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After initially locking up more than 170 people in connection with the May 17 incident outside Twin Peaks restaurant, McLennan County prosecutors have not charged anyone with the shooting deaths of nine people. At least 20 others were hurt.

Those arrested were charged with engaging in organized criminal activity.

Prosecutors did not return messages from the newspaper seeking comment. But defense attorneys suggested the district attorney’s office eventually plans to dismiss charges against at least some defendants. (read more)

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The WacoTribune has more […]  Presumably, prosecutors are still waiting on state and federal authorities who are assisting in the investigation to finish their analysis of videos and ballistic evidence from the chaotic incident that left nine bikers dead and 20 injured.

Prosecutors have provided one round of discovery — the release of a portion of the state’s evidence — to defense attorneys, with a second batch due out soon, defense attorneys say.

Neither McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna nor his first assistant, Michael Jarrett, returned phone calls seeking comment about the Twin Peaks cases.

Reyna’s prosecutors have taken hard lines during examining trials for bikers, alleging that each showed up at Twin Peaks that day wearing his or her colors, most of them armed, in a show of full support for their affiliate members because they were keenly aware that such a firestorm could erupt.

This despite testimony from state and local officers that they had no evidence that the bikers in the examining trials committed any crimes or had any knowledge that the gunfight might occur.  (read more)

*NOTE* According to CNN producers a rather lengthy investigative report by Lisa Ling for her series “This is Life” is coming soon. (link)

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136 Responses to Waco “Twin Peaks” Shooting Update – No-One Charged

  1. tz says:

    Another “false flag”.
    The Feds had the locals infiltrated, caused a problem, then arrested everyone
    (check out Scott Horton on Liberty Radio Network in the last few days).

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    • evolveideas says:

      There is a person of impeccable character involved in this event. At this moment, wouldn’t think it was local but going to wait until all the data are in, don’t have a clue how it will end.

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  2. tz says:

    Bail was set at $1 Million by a corrupt judge.

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  3. wondering999 says:

    Do the not-charged people still have a gag order on them?

    Did they ever get their cellphones back (and their reputations, if they were let-go from work)

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  4. dizzymissl says:

    These people are going to own Waco

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      I certainly hope so. 😡

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    • kinthenorthwest says:

      The Bikers should own Waco and every idiot officer, and city/county/state/federal official that played a Cooperative Willing role in this fiasco.

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    • Texas Fossil says:

      They should own Waco, but I would not hold my breath.

      This is Texas, this should never have happened. This MUST be a Fed Directed Screw-up.

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      • deqwik2 says:

        I agree. They are watching the biker clubs in my area & most of them are average folk who like bikes. We only have one outlaw club in the area. Obama must be afraid of “The Good Ole Boys”.

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        • Texas Fossil says:

          Yes, he is. And some of his Muslim Brotherhood advisors work in DHS. They have an agenda to identify threats they say are worse than Muslim Terrorists. Bikers fit agenda. & Vets.

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      • John Galt says:

        Waco is already begging for money from Texas to cover the costs of this fuster cluck.

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      • Les says:

        Why? Why should Waco pay?

        These people are idiots for becoming violent in the parking lot of a restaurant where families were eating. They did their stupidity in a strip mall. How is that okay? Why can’t they meet on private property and cook their own food so they don’t put the community in danger? Why are you defending them? You think they care about you and your family’s safety? They don’t.

        The second they started that crap and pulled the first gun over their completely juvenile issues, they SPIT all over the 2nd Amendment. You DO NOT have a right to pull a weapon on somebody and KILL them because you don’t like what they are wearing. What if Chevy owners decided they owned Texas and all you Ford and Dodge people got shot? Would that be okay?

        Who are these tards who fight over a patch that says “Texas”? These criminals do NOT own Texas. What gives them the right to behave as if they do? How can any normal, grown person defend that behavior? Replace Texas rocker with red/blue bandana and you’ll see exactly what I mean. They are protecting their drug-running space. If we are honest, that is what is really happening.

        Now they made their beds and they don’t want to lay in them. Now, all of a sudden, they aren’t Timmy Toughguy and Bob Badassbikerboy. Now they are victims? I do feel badly for the mom & pop clubs that made a bad decision when they went to have lunch with the schoolyard bullies, but they were wanting some of that hard stuff livin’ and now they got it.

        I just don’t see how they are getting so much sympathy for their really bad life decisions. Bikers don’t HAVE to be in a gang. If they DO have to be in a gang to keep from being killed, why in heck are some defending the gangs?

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        • Rebel Mope says:

          You’re making a whole lot of assumptions. The facts are not even out yet. No ballistics, no camera data, nothing from the Feds, nothing from the Grand Jury which has a policeman as Foreman, yet you want to spout the lines of the police spokesman who we know has not been accurate.

          Now they merely release a few, six months later, from their ankle monitors and you still believe the story from the police. That’s the only story out there. Everyone has a gag order so they cannot dispute it.

          As for me, I’m waiting for the trial before I decide what happened. I suspect there won’t be a trial.

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        • jeffronimo says:

          It was a gang war, and was meant to be all along. Just not the way you think.

          There were a bunch of clubs/gangs who were indeed welcome at Twin Peaks, and expected to peaceably attend, as they had in the past. All of them would be wearing leather vests with identifying patches on the back. Most of these would be eating or drinking or socializing when the trouble started, instead of checking their communications, picking out assault-worthy high ground or cover, donning plate-carrying vests, or pulling on a balaclava. Or loading onto an MRAP.

          One gang also showed up who were uninvited and unwelcome. That would be the one with badges instead of patches. That would also be the one with members, posing as members of the motorcycle clubs who started the original dust-up(s). More of this gang would then “spontaneously” appear with full-auto rifles to shoot into the crowd of bikers, confiscate evidence, and begin controlling the narrative.

          How come so many badge-gang sprung into action within seconds of the “altercation”? If any evidence exists anywhere among the mountains of video (also including specially mounted surveillance cameras by LEO, prior to the meeting), that indicates one of the bikers shot another biker, or even discharged a weapon, don’t you think there’d be charges to that effect? Absent those charges, don’t you have to at least question, if not completely doubt, these official accounts?

          Finally, if this whole thing had been staged by badge-gang LEOs & FLEAs in concert, how would it look any different that it does?

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        • Texas Fossil says:

          Your accessments are not credible.

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        • If Waco cops shot people without cause, and we won’t know that until the ballistics are released will we? Oops, no that information is locked down tighter than Stalingrad. Oh, and those pesky tapes. Yeah, I know, locked down too. But IF they shot innocent folks, and engaged in a cover-up, and trampled on innocent people’s rights, or any of the above, they SHOULD be sued, and big-time.

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    • archer52 says:

      In my opinion, no they won’t. If I were the city or PD I’d take it to court and a jury trial. Let them convince six residents of that community- which they shot up that day- that they are the “victims” here.

      In fact, wait until the final evidence is in. I’m still betting there are going to be a core group being indicted. Once indicated and looking at a long prison term, their collective tongues may wag.

      But remember, regardless of who did it, there are dead humans here, homicides that demand justice.

      What bothers me is that there is almost a gleeful giddiness over the fact the police and prosecutors are not having an easy time holding whoever murdered those men accountable. That is not how our society is supposed to work. Bad guys are supposed to get caught. Citizens, regardless of who they are, are supposed to help. Regardless if they wear cool leather jackets, or gold bling and listen to Hip Hop and scratch on walls “snitches get stitches”, or Italian loafers and eat pasta while doing Joe Pesci impersonations.

      Now if you want, you can carve out exceptions for certain groups because of who they are and say “These men and women- if murdered- will receive no effort on the part of society to find the murderer and bring that person to justice.” And if those exceptions are groups like bikers or dopers or drug traffickers or gangbangers or whores, or prostitutes or homeless- then so be it.

      There are societies in this world that do just that. We normally refer to them as “third world” but… .

      I listen to how good and righteous some of the living “bikers” are and how they are having their reputations ruined because they are good people. Yet, the DEAD people, whose lives were stolen from them by SOMEONE THERE at that scene, don’t count? They don’t have reputations, weren’t good people, or had families and kids and friends? Or a right to justice?

      The police are not the bad guys here. The bikers who killed other bikers and refused to help the police (the representative of YOUR community’s expectations and rules) are the bad guys.

      I’ve worked cases where the “victim” was a bad guy. When he saw I was seriously trying to catch the person who did it, even though he was a bad guy himself, he would look at me sideways and ask why? I would tell him, “Because you are a person just like anyone else.” Maybe he gets it, maybe he doesn’t. It didn’t matter to me. I did my duty. He had rights and expectations just like any other human.

      So do the dead and injured from that day.

      If you are going to create an exemption for certain types saying their deaths don’t matter, then don’t ask which ones were killed by the police. It doesn’t matter.

      I hope the evidence comes back with enough to jam up the people who did it. And I hope the community takes those people and hammers them into the ground like tent stakes.

      And I also hope the message is sent to every other bad guy, gangbanger, biker, terrorist, lowlife and scumbag.

      “Not here, Not now, Not ever.”

      Enough. We take back our towns, our cities, our states and then our nation.

      We will find peace eventually. It will just be messy getting there.

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  5. auscitizenmom says:

    My first thought when I read this was to SMH. Then, I started really thinking about it and got really mad. Many are dead. Many of the ones left lost their jobs, their legally owned guns, their vehicles, etc. I’m furious about this. 😡

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    • deqwik2 says:

      Some lost their children too.

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      • art tart says:

        deqwik2 ~ You & “auscitizenmom” both make good points, the consequences have been great for many who may not have deserved them. The cost of Attorney’s are expensive, some likely had to cash in savings, retirement, that is if any had resources, sell possessions/pawn etc. if they lost their jobs to get monies to live on. Some may have had Public Defenders, IDK.

        Seems WPD/DA bit off more than they could chew, I will be interested to see how many get plea deals for lesser charges and walk away. No doubt some may be charged w/murder/other crimes if caught on video, but we’ll have to wait & see.

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    • manickernel says:

      This is not a simple black and white situation. Ultimately some of the bikers are to blame for the initial incident. They did initiate gunfire that killed and invited a police response.

      From there it went downhill and kept going. The police response is now in question due to the cover-ups and stonewalling. The greed by many townspeople who tried to seize anything they could. Then to post ridiculous bails and when finally released to put very lucrative ankle bracelets on is disgraceful. Who raked that in? it would have been around 100K. I imagine the town is heartbroken as they could have made about 500-750K if they could have held on to the bikes.

      The city and police and courts are run by incestuous family connections like a parody of the “Good Ole Boys” stereotype. I look forward to the CNN story.

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  6. Garrison Hall says:

    This whole case is going to implode. The fear of that happening is written all over the delays and subterfuges of the prosecution and cops in Waco. They’ve been trying to sweat the bikers into pleading to something—anything—so that they’ll make at least some semblance of a case. But the bikers appear to not be buying any of it (bikers are not dumb). Now they’re getting pretty good lawyers to back them up things are going to start getting really hot for the law in Waco. Couldn’t happen to a better bunch. I predict that a bunch of bikers are going to own Waco, Texas.

    Gerry Spence, the hero lawyer who successfully defended Randy Weaver/Ruby Ridge against the full weight of the FBI and ATF has a new book out. It’s called “Police State”. I wish I could say it’s an enjoyable read but it isn’t, nor is it intended to be. On the other hand, it is a compelling read because this masterful defense attorney speaks at length about just how corrupted our legal system has become. The chapter on his defense of Randy Weaver is chilling. At one point he describes a speech before an assembly of defense attorneys. When he asked for the people who’d experienced prosecutors breaking the law to try to convict someone, almost the whole room stood up.

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  7. Les says:

    Nobody is charged YET, doesn’t mean they won’t be. There were a lot of people there, they scattered when the shooting started and they are all part of the same “no snitching” group. People were killed, not all them by police. I would question the tin-foil-sanity of anybody who is going to claim the police killed all those bikers. At least one was murdered by a fellow biker. Notice they WERE charged for criminal gang activities, kinda kills the “they’re innocent” narrative.

    We are giving them a pass because they are white. I’m willing to say that, most aren’t. If this had been a black biker group shooting or a shooting at a rap concert, opinions would be different. The bikers were rounded up en-masse because they were white, so there is a flip-side to the coin.

    If I were a family member of a dead biker killed by another biker I would be mad as a hornet right now.

    Dirty business all the way around.

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    • woohoowee says:

      Appreciate that you are speaking only for yourself. This doesn’t have anything to do with race as far as I can tell……

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      • Les says:

        Just keeping us honest. I despise the BLM/HandsUp group for siding with criminals and I don’t want us to do that based merely on race/skin color. There may be a few bikers here, but most people here aren’t patched gang members.

        If they arrested them for vandalism or throwing stones or busting up the bar I would have a different opinion, but as many people died in Waco that day as died at UCC this week. Somebody needs to pay, and I don’t mean the citizens of Waco. It isn’t their fault these people had a violent confrontation on public property. If anybody should be sued, it should be the business group who owned Twin Peaks for letting the clubs meet there after they were warned it might be violent. The manager of the restaurant wanted the money and didn’t care if he put the community in danger.

        The bail issue is ridiculous, but we don’t know all the ins and outs yet. They were trying to get someone to flip most likely and ended up trampling on some rights. BUT the “no snitching” policy probably had something to do with the en-masse mistakes.

        I have no respect for anyone who saw a murder and doesn’t say something. I don’t care what color they are. Somebody saw something. This is the white version of the dindu nuffins, dinsee nuffins. It’s not right.

        Why should Waco’s citizens pay for this?

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        • woohoowee says:

          I don’t need to be kept honest, Les. I’ve had enough of the whole race brouhaha. It’s time to end it. To the best of my humble knowledge gleaned through the years, the best way to stop something is just to stop it. As far as I’m concerned the whole country being paralyzed over race is over.

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          • art tart says:

            woohoowee shared ~ “As far as I’m concerned the whole country being paralyzed over race is over.”

            I agree that I’ve personally been over race as many are. The problem I have is, an AA President gets elected that had a personal agenda imo to stir race up again & has been in Office 7 yrs. Obama/Holder/WH grunts imo compounded the race element by stirring the pot for the race hustlers to make a buck, the FTP criminals/thugs, looters, rioters. How? Obama embraced families of thugs such as Trayvon/Big Mike. imo, Obama was an idiot for interjecting himself into the cases of 2 dead criminals, when there no charges in either case. Why? Because the dead criminals were committing criminal acts when they were shot dead as the law allows. Obama imo, has set race back years & endangered LE by his repeated actions.

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            • woohoowee says:

              The despair is there; now it’s up to us to go in and rub raw the sores of discontent, galvanize them for radical social change.— Saul Alinsky

              Obama is doing what Community Organizers do. I do agree that Obama likes to use race to keep people stirred up, and to enrich himself and his cronies. One of these days Obama might just break that axe he’s grinding.

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              • art tart says:

                woohoowee ~ I agree w/your comment, LMAO, I never thought about Obama doing “what Community Organizers do,” but you are exactly correct. Our generation is not the problem, it’s younger adults that are easily influenced/followers because they can’t think independantly or not smart enough to see the scam promoted by the race hustlers..

                Hilllary Clinton is sucking up to the “Black Lives Matter” movement, telling them what a good job they’ve done, more of the seperating of races for Political reasons, wanting their votes. All lives matter, especially our LE that put their lives on the line for us everyday for very little pay or appreciation.

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        • woohoowee says:

          And if my statement needs further clarification: God made us different. It’s past time to get over all this progressive, divisive garbage about race. We’re all Americans and the race card has expired. We look different, our history is different – even among white people – and it’s time we recognize Marxist, commie bilge for what it is.

          So what if we’re different? It’s always been that way and when people recognized the difference it seems that people didn’t take so much offense. But that offense is exactly what those who seek power through division need.

          Recognize differences, not before the law, but among men, and be grateful that God made us all.

          STOP making something so simple so difficult to appease those who seek power through division. Please.

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          • pdxlady says:

            LIKE! (button doesn’t work)

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          • Les says:

            I would link to the Black Biker Week threads to support my point, but I won’t.

            These folks were ALL charged with a crime. All of them. Here is a list of their bail amounts:
            http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/updated-list-of-twin-peaks-bikers-jailed-released/article_96c8a81d-be6a-5c80-b8ad-2bf6a0cce4de.html

            Why should Waco have to pay if they were all charged with criminal activity? I’m going to be honest and say I don’t know exactly what that means, but I assume it means it is really bad to be in a gang.

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            • woohoowee says:

              I’m not “giving them a pass because they’re white.” Your words, not mine. YOU brought race into this, not me. Just stop!

              Les, I’m giving you the once over, as it were, because I credit you with having above average intelligence. STOP with the race issue! That isn’t what happened in Waco.

              Was it easier to get away with because those involved were mostly white men? Probably. And that just goes to the larger issue of it all. JUST STOP. Everyone. When we no longer accept the race issue from our (supposed to be) representative government, the Marxist, commie divisiveness of race will cease.

              Call the government on race at every moment they play race to bring power to themselves and further divide Americans. But, stop denying the differences among men just because God made us different.

              Make sense?

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              • woohoowee says:

                But, stop denying the differences among men just because God made us different.

                Should read: But, stop denying the differences among men, God made us different.

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            • jim says:

              So it doesn’t matter that most couldn’t see anything. They weren’t out in the parking lot. Police even have surveillance video that could identify the witnesses. Throw scores of people in jail, charge them with crimes, slap them with unpayable bail, when finally bailed, imprison them in their own houses, withhold evidence from their lawyers for months, destroy their lives, etc., all while knowing most aren’t even witnesses.

              They shouldn’t be mistreating any witnesses, let alone charging them with crimes.

              There’s a murder on your home street while you were sleeping. Every person who claims they didn’t witness anything is charged with conspiracy, thrown in jail, etc. You too!

              But that’s just fine. After all, we know you are guilty because they charged you with a crime.

              Your pleas that you were asleep, that the crime scene isn’t even visible from your house fall on deaf ears. After all, you belong to the home owners association. We can prove you have been regularly meeting with the other guilty parties.

              Guilty as charged. Send you to the gulag. The world is better off without you on the street.

              That is not how are legal system is supposed to work. I don’t want that happening to anybody. Not dindunuffins, nor dinseenuffins, nor guys who ride bikes and care enough to go to legal meetings about biking. Not even to you!

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            • Rational Db8 says:

              I guess you’ve never heard of “Innocent Until PROVEN Guilty.” Being CHARGED with a crime is NOT the same as being guilty. What’s more, many of their bail amounts were immediately massively reduced – and now they’re even backing off on making them wear ankle bracelets. None have been charged with shooting anyone either. In other words, it’s very distinctly looking like they were falsely arrested and then grossly overcharged – and that does tremendous damage to their lives. Time will tell, but until any of them are actually proven guilty in court, they’re presumed innocent, except by people such as you who apparently aren’t familiar with our legal system.

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          • suzee says:

            The difference is– that you most assuredly are purposely overlooking– is that blacks and browns are incapable of creating the level of civilization whites have created and MAINTAIN. Without whites, you get hideously violent, corrupt, chaotic and backward Africa and Mexico. Now rectify THAT problem.

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            • woohoowee says:

              What does any of that have to do with the price of wheat in China? God made us different. It really is that simple.

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            • woohoowee says:

              Is your point that we need to set up governments in every country? Rule the world? What?

              Are you saying that there has never been violence in predominately white countries? Demonstrably false. That there have never been white countries ruled with an iron fist? Demonstrably false.

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        • Director says:

          Nah this stinks.

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        • Texas Fossil says:

          Were you there that day?

          Do you live in Waco?

          I am ready for someone in the legal process to blow all the smoke and BS away and attempt to approximate the “truth”. From what I see at this point, the officials in Waco have done every thing they can to prevent that process. In my opinion, it will be very difficult to bring charges that a grand jury will “true bill” at this point.

          If they had a solid murder case, they would have already acted to charge them. They have not.

          Lesser charges? We that will depend upon how the grand jury views what the bikers have been through.

          Guess we shall eventually see. Sound like in the next month it might become evident how the majority of the case play out.

          Waco? Headshake.

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      • mariner says:

        Actually I suspect it has a lot to do with race.

        Biker clubs are mostly white, and smearing them with false accusations of criminal activity would distract attention from “Black Lives Matter” and other nonsense in places like Baltimore, where just about all the violent criminals are black.

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        • woohoowee says:

          The thought occurs that the original BLM crew have the trifecta of attributes which so please the current administration: 1) Race – it’s all about black people, 2 Sexual orientation – it’s founders are gay 3) Religion – moslems involved, too.

          But I just don’t see race having anything to do with what happened in Waco.

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    • davsel says:

      I suggest you read up a bit more on who these arrested people actually are, what they were doing at the time, and what actually took place before injecting any more uninformed personal opinions into the thread.

      Someone no likey bikeys.

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      • Les says:

        I have. They shouldn’t have played at being Bandidos if they didn’t want to be treated like gang members. I have also read enough about the Bandidos to know they aren’t Sunday School teachers.

        Why would anybody want to be thought of as a 1% biker if they aren’t? Explain that to me because I just don’t get it. I really don’t. I feel they put their families in a really bad position by being so irresponsible JUST to feed their egos. I do understand why the outlaw groups protect their illegal operations, just why non-criminal types would want to be associated with that.

        What am I missing? When I wanted to belong, I joined the USMC. When I wanted to belong after, I joined a few organizations that don’t pretend to be outlaws.

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        • Rational Db8 says:

          What a grossly ignorant statement. MOST people don’t join bike clubs to “play bandidos” at all. They join bike clubs because they like riding motorcycles and they like riding with others who also like bikes. There are totally law abiding legal bike clubs all over the nation. And in fact some of them ARE sunday school teachers, elementary school teachers, and some of the most upstanding people in the nation. They don’t in any way “pretend to be outlaws.” Trying to pretend – as you are – that they’re somehow all outlaws or wanna be outlaws is just blatantly gross ignorance of the entire subject. That’s what you are missing (you asked, after all).

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          • manickernel says:

            Except these were not “bike clubs”. Bandidos and Cossacks have a long and violent history. Stop trying to paint them like the Harley Owners Group. Still, some innocent but stupid and naive “wannabees” were there and the overreaction by the courts and police is going to taint any case against those actually guilty of a crime.

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    • sundance says:

      …”We are giving them a pass because they are white. I’m willing to say that, most aren’t. If this had been a black biker group shooting or a shooting at a rap concert, opinions would be different”…

      Wow. You are really projecting there.

      Nothing about this case, or any case we discuss on raw data, has anything to do with race. You needing to project race into this event says more about you than it does about the people here.

      You might want to rethink your worldview, and if you really believe what you have typed, well, let’s just say farewell – part company, and leave it at that.

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      • Garrison Hall says:

        Simply meeting for an organizational lunch—which is why the bikers were there—is not a crime. If it was the Waco Rotary Club lunch and somebody got shot you sure wouldn’t see the whole club get arrested and treated as the bikers were. Meeting for lunch is not a crime, even if you arrive on a Harley and wear colors.

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        • Les says:

          Garrison Hall, You are misleading people. The meeting was MOVED to Waco to start trouble with the Cossacks. I don’t blame the Cossacks for refusing to pay the Bandidos to wear a Texas rocker. The Cossacks live in Texas. Plus, that’s extortion. One mom & pop MC club, the Distorted MC (last name English) are in huge trouble because of this extortion policy. They had a hearing and it was decided they were going to be charged like all the rest of the out-of-towners (non CoC&I Region 1 members) because they paid the extortion money to wear the Bandidos support patch. It’s like mafia protection money. That married couple was part of a new club and probably weren’t planning on hurting anybody but didn’t know any better about showing up in Waco. The Bandidos need to step up and take the blame for the English couple. Let’s see some of that legendary loyalty.

          From several sources, I see the Bandidos new story is that an imbedded fed was the one who called to set up a meeting with the Cossacks. Too bad the Cossacks already named a longtime Bandido named Marshall Mitchell. Is Mitchell a fed? You would have to ask him, but he was also charged and paid one of the largest bonds to get out. If some of the Bandidos are admitting to the Cossacks being invited, they will end up with the longest sentences for setting up the violence.

          I have most sympathy for the Cossacks. They were defending their home turf (as dumb as it was to do that) and resisting the efforts to make them pay $100 a month per chapter to the Bandidos. I wouldn’t pay the criminals either. What gives the Bandidos the right to own Texas? Because they will kill anybody who doesn’t pay? I’m sick of drug dealers and criminals thinking they own any state, city, or block. That’s mindless and the behavior is no different than any other street gang.

          Many of the pro-biker supporters who posted here in the early days were all Bandidos supporters. They are part of the criminal enterprise, not mythical heroes. If these people wanted to shoot at each other they should have found a big field instead of bringing their problems to the general public.

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      • Aussie says:

        This is quite correct but I have a little bit of a different perspective. It lines up with what Sundance is stating but I think that it will show how there is a difference between bikers and bikies. I agree with Sundance about that person using projection which is quite unnecessary.
        I will used the Australian example and I will point out that some of these clubs are world wide.
        Bikies are usually members of clubs such as Hell’s Angels, Comancheros and Bandidos, to name only a few that are in existence. Here in Australia these are the groups where you will find the Middle Eastern crime syndicates, for want of a better description. They are into murder including their bikie wars – I have often made the point that these are the ones who are doing most of the killing in Sydney and that they use illegal rather than legal weapons. They are also at the top of the drug dealer tree. They are not the same as the bikers.

        Here in Australia we have some wonderful bikers who go out on the weekends riding their bikes and especially their Harley Davidsons. These are the ones who do work for charity and will often go on a charity ride to collect toys for sick children etc. etc. More than likely there will be some police among these bikers, as well as Vietnam vets and vets from other wars. They love their bikes and they love to ride when the weather is fine. They are family people and they are not the type to get involved in the drug trade.

        My example here would probably be the same in the USA where the bikies are into the crime and the bikers are family people with good intentions.

        I do not know much about the Waco situation, and when I see the name Twin Peaks I think of the series about “Who killed Laura Palmer”.

        An overreaction to the situation at the time means that things have to be sorted out. Until it is sorted out, no one really knows which of the men committed murder. All are innocent until proved guilty.

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    • Rebel Mope says:

      “Notice they WERE charged for criminal gang activities, kinda kills the “they’re innocent” narrative.” -Les

      Charged does not mean convicted, innocent until proven guilty and all that rot, Les.

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      • Les says:

        Um, yes?

        But if they were charged, there must be more to the story than these folks just eating a few wings at a restaurant waiting to hear about new bike safely laws. So if it there was more to the story, and people DID know there was going to be violence, should the citizens of Waco pay them millions of dollars?

        That is my issue. Why should Waco pay for the bad choices these people made if they showed up for public violence?

        If it wasn’t a planned attack (and it very well could be a total Cossacks lie), if they don’t find texts suggesting this was arranged violence, I will certainly change my tune. I don’t know what is true at this point. But I’m willing to look at all the evidence I can find, read all the accounts, to see if the police were justified for arresting 170 people.

        These people made the choice to be bikers to get some street cred and to party like they are young again and have a little excitement. Well, they got some excitement. I should pay for that? No way.

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        • Rebel Mope says:

          Les, I count 5 “IFs” in the above. Let’s wait until we see the videos, dashcams, and charges against any individuals. when have the police ever refused to release the videos when they show exactly what the police said happened? When has ballistics ever taken 6 months? Why put a police officer on the Grand Jury? What other agencies were present?
          But OK, let’s play “If”. If the police opened fire on a group of people with total disregard for where their shots might end up after hitting their target, then yes, the people of Waco should pay. They should be required to pay enough money as to get enough of their attention as to contemplate removing the bad apples for the police force and the DAs office.
          And confiscation of all the bikes is downright theft by government.

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    • wizzum says:

      Les, at this point YOU DO NOT KNOW who killed anyone, It could have been all Biker, all police or a combination. Heck, you don’t even know it wasn’t started by an undercover like the one that smashed the window of the Range Rover in New York where the driver was hauled out and beaten.
      As far as “eye witness” accounts of Biker A walking up and shooting Biker B to start the whole thing……Well why hasn’t Biker A been charged??

      BS to the race angle too, there’s no evidence of that.

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    • know you well says:

      You seem to have a suspiciously informed opinion on this.You obviously have a connection to the people who went rogue here,but you don’t know what the defense lawyers have.It’s going to be interesting if any of the bikers are charged.

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  8. jackphatz says:

    How can anyone justify those who were murdered. Owning Waco should come with the mandate all those involved be removed from their positions. Someone had an agenda, does anyone know who and why yet? So sad.

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    • Les says:

      Waco PD would do well to release the who-was-killed-by-whom information. If they said PD killed this many and bikers killed the others, people would calm down.

      Hard to handle this situation because of the nature of the gang. If they were unassociated witnesses or people who weren’t playing at “gang or die” this would be a different ballgame.

      Gangs are bad. All gangs. They don’t represent this country, they aren’t fighting for the greater good. They are just gangs who use numbers to threaten others.

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      • John Galt says:

        The cops killed all the dead guys. How does that calm things down?

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        • Les says:

          Do you know that? You really think the cops just opened up on them in a parking lot?

          I just don’t think it happened like that.

          I’m angry Texas might have to pay because these people can’t behave and want to go around threatening each other. It’s just so pointless and they caused damage to the community. How much are all the trials going to cost taxpayers who don’t pretend to be rough and tough?

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          • John says:

            This was a ATF set up from the get go. They had set up cameras before the event. There were stationed agents throughout the place.before hand, There were infiltrated agents in the clubs. They then provoked the incident and opened fire. Most of the people there were there for a confederation of Clubs meeting, not a gang war. This is a big cluster F, no way around it. .

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            • Clc says:

              this is what I believe happened too. setting those cameras up is a dead give away that they wanted something to happen. I have always wondered why the ATF never arrested david Koresh on one of his frequent trips in to walmart. then run that search warrant on the compound. I think they like to make a big splash. if I am the police chief in Waco and I have credible evidence that a big shootout is going to happen, then I am going to shut twin peaks down before hand.

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          • art tart says:

            Les shared ~ “How much are all the trials going to cost taxpayers who don’t pretend to be rough and tough?”

            Too freaking bad, taxpayers always pay for what their employees do & will in this case! Prosecutors don’t pay for bringing charges in cases they can’t prove! I’ve never thought that was fair, where is the Justice in that? I recall 2 cases in the past few yrs., both in Fla. where assine Prosecutors made no apologies when those they charged were found “not guilty” by a jury of their peers when the cases should have never been tried imo!

            Corey had an agenda/didn’t have the evidence to charge GZ as was shown by the bitch slap she got in the trial, GZ walked thankfully because of the “not guilty verdict.” The cost to GZ, 2 million dollars to his Attorney’s owed..

            The other case of Adam Kauffman accused of strangling his wife Eleonora “Lina” Kaufman to death in their Aventura, Fla. The CSI Tech missed evidence, the CSI Tech & the Detective leading the investigation had an affair, the inept ME didn’t make a determination of death for almost a year, didn’t do the autopsy personally, but determined it was “homicide.” The Prosecutor’s didn’t have the evidence to get a conviction & never did, but the scumbag Prosecution was arrogant just like Corey, her incompetence exposed, the inept ME was exposed for his salary/incompetence & Adam Kauffman was charged.

            Adam Kauffman paid over 1 million dollars for his defense in a case that never should have been tried, the cost of Adam’s Kauffman’s “not guilty verdict” wasn’t free, he almost lost everything he had, all his money, his home, his children, but thankfully he could pay for a defense from pooled resources and he lost his beloved wife.

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      • Rational Db8 says:

        You really are an idjit. A book club is a “gang” just like most bike clubs. So is the Wednesday afternoon old ladies bingo club. Bike clubs aren’t magically criminal “gangs” as you keep trying to portray them. They are groups of people who love riding motorcycles for heaven’s sake – and you’re trying to criminalize and portray them as outlaws simply because they like riding bikes. It’s beyond absurd.

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        • Les says:

          The Bandidos are drug traffickers. They aren’t like a book club. You can call me what you like (spell it out, I can take it), but comparing a Tier II gang known for violence, prostitution and drug dealing to a book club isn’t the most intelligent choice. It isn’t “simply because they ride bikes”. That’s mindlessness and a weak straw man. I ride, but I don’t need some fatass behind me to make me feel manly.

          If you do, bless you.

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      • Texas Fossil says:

        Your phrase: “for the greater good”.

        Do you know whence it came?

        http://jim.com/rights.html

        Utilitarianism has two serious problems, problems that most utilitarians regard as advantages. The idea of the greatest good for the greatest number implies that someone should be in charge, with the authority and duty to sacrifice any one persons property, liberty, and life, for the greater good. It also assumes that a persons good is knowable, and that other people can judge this good for him, make decisions on his behalf, and balance that good with other peoples good. Since any one person is expendable, then there can be no such thing as human rights, as Bentham frankly argued. Clearly the doctrine of the greatest good is going to be highly attractive to those intellectuals who envisage themselves as being in charge of deciding what is good for other people, deciding whose property shall be confiscated for the greater good, who shall be imprisoned for the greater good, or for his own good.

        Lots of luck with that.

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      • know you well says:

        In this case,the gang had badges.

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  9. BitterC says:

    Thanx for the update, SD such as it was. WACO II is a travesty of justice, law & order, and the BOR.

    This should have gotten much more attention than it did. Kinda like WACO I. Scary how easy it is for TPTB to get away with what happened and deep six the story.

    What happened to the nearly 200 people there should rank in the top 5 of assaults on our rights during Peace Prize’ reign, but won’t even be a footnote.

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  10. Les says:

    I have followed this story locally (we have one guy in my town and about 6 in the neighboring county who were part of this group). The defense attorneys are saying Waco is probably going to hold every person at the meeting legally liable for what happened. I’m not an attorney, but that probably explains the “involved in criminal activity” charge. (Some sources say “organized criminal activity leading to capital murder”) They have 90 days to indict in Texas.

    The cops are saying:
    * 44 shell casings have been found at the scene, according to police, and 32 of those recovered casings came from weapons from the suspects. The casings don’t include those from suspects’ revolvers, from which casings must be manually ejected.
    * Waco Police officers were in their cars in parking lots adjacent to the restaurant when the shooting starting and were not pre-positioned in sniper posts. (the bikers say this is a lie)
    * SWAT team members had silencers on their rifles that fired .223 caliber ammunition, weapons kept in the semi-automatic mode, meaning one bullet for each time the trigger is squeezed
    * officers fired only after being shot at during the melee
    * 47 search warrants were served to ascertain club affiliation of the bikers/support clubs

    Do cops lie? I sure hope not.

    You aren’t allowed to be drunk and carry in Texas so they were taking a chance meeting at a bar in the first place. The Bandidos and Cossacks (and support gangs) WERE fighting in the parking lot and guns WERE drawn because someone ran over someone else’s foot, they have admitted that. This is where the problem starts. The Bandidos are trying to claim JUST the Bandidos were meeting to discuss current events and legislation, but the Cossacks are saying it was an arranged sit-down and the Bandidos are lying (if it was an arranged meeting of more than one club, the charges may stick). The bail was set so high because these people came to Waco from out of town to potentially have a war in Waco. The entire thing hinges upon IF the Cossacks were invited/expected or not.

    If the shooters would have stayed in the parking lot the people inside would not have been arrested for the murders and shootings, but that didn’t happen. The gangs have both admitted to fighting and shooting in the parking lot and running inside. They weren’t arrested because they were all dressed alike, they were arrested because of the gang affiliation and the planned rival event in a public place. Some people are trying to split this hair, but it isn’t the clothes, it is the membership in an organized criminal gang that is the issue: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.71.htm

    There is one son being protected by police who saw his father murdered execution style. This wasn’t just Sunday Brunch. Seven of the dead had head wounds. Eight of the nine dead are Cossacks, so that doesn’t look good for the Bandidos. Here is the son’s story, gives a completely different POV than people here are trying to push: http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Life-and-death-in-Waco-A-biker-s-story-6339392.php

    The Bandidos and their “innocent” support clubs killed those Cossacks. You won’t ever convince me these people are victims of the system. They are scum.

    If you want to pay these POS some money, please send a check to Texas. I don’t think we should have to pay them a dime.

    Now, who do you believe?

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    • Les says:

      If you read nothing else, read the story: http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Life-and-death-in-Waco-A-biker-s-story-6339392.php

      They murdered his father in front of him, his father never drew his weapon. The mom and pop clubs came to back up the Bandidos and earn their stripes, they should suck it up and take the punishment.

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    • sundance says:

      You write:

      […] The cops are saying:
      * 44 shell casings have been found at the scene, according to police, and 32 of those recovered casings came from weapons from the suspects.

      and further:

      Do cops lie? I sure hope not.

      If they cops are saying only 12 shell casings were from cops. Well, apparently the cops do lie: .

      (click images to enlarge)

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      • Les says:

        44 casings – 12 casings = 32 casings. That doesn’t include shots fired from revolvers because they don’t eject casings. I’m not the official police spokesman, I just think the bikers are telling porkies.

        The meeting was scheduled for 1PM. The Cossacks are not part of the confederation and are normally not invited. Cossacks say they were invited to meet with the Bandidos at 11AM, well before the scheduled meeting. They say a Bandido (Reeves) invited them to clear up the rocker issue before the meeting. The Bandidos were late, rolled in with some support clubs at 12:15PM and ran into a Cossack prospect first thing when they entered the parking lot. Then the shooting/killing began at 12:24. The Cossacks swear it was a setup. The Bandidos are saying they never invited the Cossacks.

        Somebody is lying. I believe the Cossacks because more of them were shot in the head by surprise. At least 3 Cossacks were killed by Bandidos (Richie/Chain, Diesel, Dog) and likely more. The police most likely killed the Bandido. I’m not sure who killed Jessie/Mohawk or why.

        I believe the Bandidos are lying about inviting the Cossacks to sit down before the official meeting because if they admit it, every single affiliated Bandidos gang/club can be convicted of the organized criminal activity charge and be sent to prison for 15 years. Of course they are going to lie.

        The Cossacks are telling about the meeting, but saying it was friendly on their part and all the violence is due to the Bandidos and associates.

        There are a few mom & pop clubs who arrived early for the meeting who weren’t part of any setup, but they were wearing “Support your local Bandidos” patches so they were charged. I don’t know how you separate the wheat from the chaff, liars from truth speakers, criminals from wannabes. They probably won’t be convicted, but they have paid the price for running with a know criminal organization. Nobody can deny some of the Bandidos do some very bad things. (Murders, drug running, prostitution) Anybody attending the meeting knowing the Bandidos are classed in the same tier as the Bloods and Crips is rolling the dice.

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        • sundance says:

          You are so emotionally tied up in knots defending the police you don’t even see your own words.

          […] The cops are saying:
          * 44 shell casings have been found at the scene, according to police, and 32 of those recovered casings came from weapons from the suspects.

          Taken as truth (police statement) – That means only 12 shell casings could have come from the police. Yet that assertion is demonstrably false, as evidenced in the pictures above.

          Perhaps the biker gangs are all lying, that wouldn’t surprise me.

          However, to ignore the fact that the police are also blatantly lying (as they have done from the outset – remember spox Patrick Swanton) and covering up – is beyond obtuse.

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          • Les says:

            I don’t think it’s obtuse as I can’t see the markings on the casings from here…

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          • Father Thyme says:

            SD you have no knowledge at all what those evidence cones are marking…for all you know it could be a blood trail or other DNA evidence. For whatever reason you have a ‘blind spot’ when it comes to this story and have not done a good job reporting it objectively.

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          • keebler AC says:

            A Waco Police Foreman was put in the jury box as leader of the jurists, Swanton was a proven liar after more details came out……..so yeah, it looks like the Waco police show signs of being above the law. One of their own, I can’t recall the name of the Waco officer who is a known infiltrator has a history of violence. It also takes only 12 shots to kill 8 when you’re a sure shot. Evidence showed bullets went through the victims and didn’t lodge within the body. One that remained in one victim was noted to be medium-sized (thus not from a small pistol) and was deformed as would occur if the bullet struck bone and deflected instead of passing through soft tissue and exiting. There exists more than enough suspicion that rifles or shotguns of the type police were seen carrying in the photos in the aftermath. The only shot gun or rifle (long gun, that is) the police could secure belonging to bikers was found in a locked vehicle. I suspect not all the LEs knew what was going on. A select few engaged in some Zero Footprint like operation probably knew and Waco officers know it now. They are up a creek.

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            • keebler AC says:

              Okay, it’s been a long while so I couldn’t recall who the officer’s name was identified later as having a record of violence and participating in infiltration. It’s the officer photographed in red boots and fake beard, posing for the camera in adjacent Mexican resto. I saw photos of him and he definitely does not sport a long beard – that means if he was there in costume, the bikers did have an infiltrator.

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            • art tart says:

              keebler AC shared ~ “A Waco Police Foreman was put in the jury box as leader of the jurists,” (paraphrased)

              keebler, The Jury Foreman is Detective James Head. I was appalled this was allowed, I had never heard of it before this case but it seems it happens in Texas. It seems the Officer should have been disqualified imo because if he read articles on the case in the local paper, knew Detectives involved, discussed the case w/anyone he should have recused himself. How could anyone that thinks objectively not see this as a problem?

              A good artile:

              Downey told Breitbart Texas, “The role of any grand jury is to review the assertion of law enforcement that there is probable cause to justify prosecuting an individual. Grand jurors enjoy the unique privilege of total secrecy in their deliberations but in that unique privilege is the assumption that the grand jurors are unbiased.”

              “Selecting a grand juror in any case who has prior knowledge of the facts of the case, or allowing a police officer to serve as foreman in a matter that involves allegations of police misconduct, invites unnecessary allegations of bias. It undermines the integrity of the system. To do so in this case, in a case with national attention, is patently absurd,” said Downey knew anyone involved in the case were disqualified.”

              http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/07/14/twin-peaks-biker-files-objection-waco-pd-grand-jury-foreman-has-conflict-of-interest/

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              • keebler AC says:

                Thank you for the added clarity, Art tart. The Waco detective being assigned to lead too (double damning) the jury too is an affirmative sign and evidence of original guilt among Waco LE. There is no doubt in my mind now along with seeing earlier au naturel photos of the red boots and fake long-beard LE that there was a plant in the meeting and something was instigated long before the meeting to result in a catastrophe. The payouts would be gun and vehicle hauls and a Federal $$ handshake if Waco could take out these “supposed threats”.

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        • Les says:

          Here’s another twist of the innocents:

          One of the mom & pop clubs, Los Paridos (yes, you don’t have to guess the affiliation with that one) includes a man and his wife, Sandra Lynch. Sandra Lynch is the one who booked Twin Peaks for the confederation meeting and she says she came early to set up the meeting (11:30AM). I guess she brought the paper and pens? Anywho, she claims that a Cossack (who she said were not invited, company line) RAN INTO HER in the parking lot and she texted a “friend” about it at 11:33AM. She also claims the Cossacks were talking smack and telling her to get out of their way, etc. Attorneys claim this had nothing to do with the Bandidos running into a Cossack prospect an hour later and starting the killing. She was in the parking lot “directing traffic” at the time the shooting started (because bikers don’t know how to work parking lots?).

          Kinda makes you go hmm.

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          • Les says:

            I think this lady’s story explains why some of the Bandidos were piled in pickups instead of their bikes. They were coming to beat some Cossack @$$ for running into her. It’s just her word about a Cossack hitting her in the parking lot, so I don’t expect the truth and nothing but the truth.

            If we knew which Bandidos arrived in the trucks we could match that with their hometowns and tell if they hauled butt to get their from about an hour away. It would be interesting to know.

            I guess I just don’t believe these folks. I think they are all twisting the truth or flat-out lying because nine people died and somebody is going to hang for it. It is Texas, afterall.

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            • John says:

              It has been said one of the groups were infiltrated by the FEDS that provoked the mess. I wonder which one it was? Any idea LES?

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              • Les says:

                No, and I think the bikers are trying any gambit that makes them victims and not mass murderers.

                I do think this is exactly why they took everybody’s cell phone. Why would Sandra Lynch text anybody about her being hit in the parking lot if her husband was right there? Her husband WAS helping her “set up for the conference”. She was provoking or maybe even lying to get the ball rolling with the Cossacks.

                The Cossacks (I got a name wrong in a previous post) say a Bandido named Marshall from Longview/Tyler, TX area called their road boss (Reeves, Cossack was taken into custody) and set up the meeting. Reeves then called all the Cossacks to see if they agreed to taking care of the rocker situation before the 1PM meeting.

                This really looks like a setup. I see why they arrested some of the “innocent” mom and pop clubs. The cops didn’t arrest everybody, they let over 60 people leave that day. They questioned the bikers for 8 hours before they made the arrests. I’m sure that was fun, trying to get bikers to snitch on each other.

                The media is portraying Sandra Lynch as a hero who did all kinds of charity fundraising, but when you read more you realize she only did charity work for other bikers. She is no saint.

                Be careful casting these folks as victims in all of this. The true victims are dead.

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      • Clc says:

        I think the chief of Waco pd is on record saying that only 12 rounds were shot by leo’s.

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    • know you well says:

      So 7 of 9 had head wounds.Does anyone want to guess the caliber of the head wounds?Like .223?

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      • keebler AC says:

        I’ll have to find the article again, it was the last Waco thread here at CTH. I believe I read that most bullets had exited the victims body and therefore could not be recovered thusly. Only one was found within a victim’s torso and it was medium-sized. Both these facts indicate that the bullets came from high-powered long guns, the kind we saw in the photos held by certain LEs. Some even had silencers. Sureshots don’t need 44 bullets to take out 8-9 victims. 12 is all that is needed. The other shell casings probably came from defense fire and they could have likely shot at each other not knowing where the bullets originated.

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        • keebler AC says:

          Sorry, I meant the other shell casings came from biker defense fire at other bikers or LE not knowing where the first shots originated…..

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      • Les says:

        Several were from handguns carried by bikers if you are to believe anything they say. That kills the narrative that police killed all these people. Many of the injured had stab wounds, you think the police went in there and started stabbing?

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        • oldiadguy says:

          Could you provide the link that breaks down the injuries of those wounded? I haven’t read any articles that broke down that information other than the nonsense put out by Swanton in the days right after the incident.

          Take care

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  11. SharonKinDC says:

    I’m confused by the whole thing and little bits of information which has trickled out hasn’t been very helpful in clarifying the situation. Of the little we know, 1M bail, including, I understand, for people inside the restaurant not involved in the shoot out, appears to be a gross miscarriage of justice.

    In an aside, I find it fascinating in Oz, there is a real crackdown on ‘bikeys’, including wearing any patch or other identifying aspect of a bike group. This includes purely recreational bike groups, I understand. What gives?

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    • sundance says:

      What gives? The Million Biker March/Ride on DC was a little too close for comfort. Time to remove/harness/control the threat.

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    • Les says:

      Actual bail amounts: http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/updated-list-of-twin-peaks-bikers-jailed-released/article_96c8a81d-be6a-5c80-b8ad-2bf6a0cce4de.html

      The bail was set at $1M because it was the same bail given to a mass killer at another shooting (can’t remember which was cited) so it made sense to the judge. Most of these folks are not from Waco and they needed to have their war somewhere besides a restaurant in the middle of a strip mall next to a busy highway. I think the judge wanted to discourage this type of behavior in future.

      Maybe the 1%ers can change that patch to $1Mers?

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      • John Galt says:

        (1) A judge did not set $1M bail.
        (2) We don’t have to speculate on Justice of the Peace Pete Peterson’s (never attended or graduated from law school) unconstitutional reason for setting unconstitutionally high bail, since he announced his illegal motivation to the press.

        http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/dallas-lawyer-files-complaint-against-jp-peterson-over-biker-bonds/article_753f3eec-759b-56c2-8e75-13feb9e42a12.html

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        • Les says:

          If this was a planned setup, the bail is appropriate. I would expect the UCC murderer to get $1M bail if he had lived. These folks are no different. They had a chance to point out the shooters. Instead they all ran and hid evidence. Funny how police always manage to arrest all the innocent people and let all the murderers go…

          This is a fishy situation and only the phone records will give some insight into whether the Cossacks crashed a peaceful event or if the Bandidos planned violence in a public setting. Waco is Cossacks territory, the Bandidos never held their meeting there before.

          I’m not saying my take is the right one, but I don’t believe all the BS sob stories these folks are putting out. Especially since they are still at it: http://www.kcentv.com/story/29899050/exclusive-biker-gangs-brawl-in-port-aransas

          Just to give you some idea how the Bandidos stack up to the Cossacks and Scimitars, here is the local list: http://unitedclubsofwaco.org/UCOW%20Members.htm
          You will notice some bikers for Christ, vet organization bikers, and active duty 1st Cav bikers (not sure I think the association is wholesome or a great idea).

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          • oldiadguy says:

            Les,

            I’ve been involved here on the CTH since this case began. I’ve read everything I could find on this incident, from all points of view. As an oldiadguy, let me tell you this. The way this case is being handled stinks to high heaven. Yes, an incident occurred between some individuals at Twin Peaks, that lead to the death of a number of individuals.

            The number that were actually involved in the initial fight is still unknown. Why, because the Waco authorities, who have possession of all the videos taken that day have not released the videos or provided any other specific details. Please don’t tell me that they are not releasing the videos because it would endanger their investigation. That is a bogus as the charges against most of the citizens that were arrested that day.

            I can not recall a case where so much has been hidden from so many to protect so few. The way the Waco authorities are handling this case has all the earmarks of a cover-up. What they are covering-up is the question. Why won’t the WA answer these questions?

            Did undercover leo’s instigate this incident as some have alleged?

            Who was shot by whom?

            Why haven’t the ballistics information been made available? (The only recovered guns that needed to be checked for matches were those that had been recently discharged. This would eliminate most of the firearms recovered from the vehicles.)

            Why did Waco PD break from tradition and handle their own officer involved shooting investigation?

            Why haven’t the types of injuries been described concerning those who had been wounded? (Gunshot vs stab vs lacerations, etc…)

            Was the mass arrests made to get all the persons involved in the conspiracy or was the charge of organized criminal activity a subterfuge to give the Waco authorities the opportunity to search the arrestee’s cell phones and vehicles in hope of finding something incriminating? (Fishing expedition)

            Were the million dollar bonds to insure the individual appearance or was it to inflict an non-judicial punishment on that person? (To send a message)

            I could probably go on all day, but I have to take my wife to the doctor, so I will stop here.

            I don’t know if you realize it or not, but you seem to indicate in your comments that you believe that the individuals that decided to wear colors associated to one of the dominant MC’s forfeited their Constitutional Rights. Freedom of association and/or assembly???

            Lets not forget that arrests are to be based upon probable cause – cookie cutter probable cause statements.

            Then there is this old saying, “Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer,” from English jurist William Blackstone.

            Our system in this country is based on the rule of law. If what is happening in the Waco biker case an example of Texas law, then all I can do is SMH.

            Take Care

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            • art tart says:

              oldiadguy ~ I always appreciate your weighing in on cases, reminding others that are not LE of the importance of possibly some unanswered questions they hadn’t thought of. (Me especially.) If they are on a fishing expedition w/the cell phones, it will be interesting to see how many cell phones actually had incriminating information on them.

              LE/Swanton/DA remain under an umbrella of dishonesty to many for the reasons that have been discussed. imo, I have always felt LE/DA/Detectives were in over their heads, I too await w/others for actual evidence. Seems those not caught on video are in the best shape as far as charges.

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            • Les says:

              You don’t have a right to assembly, you have a right to PEACEFUL assembly. Totally different.

              I’ve never said the cops handled this perfectly, but how would you handle over 200 bikers? It’s easy to second-guess this, but the violence between these groups was documented and escalating and STILL happening. That kills all the “You hate bikers” and “We are just riding and minding our own business” BS the more simple people seem to be stuck on. I don’t dislike bikers, know many, ride myself (off road, never had a street bike). I stop and chat with bikers who have nice rides.

              The cops didn’t set the bail. Not sure why people are so angry at police for doing what they felt they had to do in a mass murder situation. Maybe they haven’t thought it through. The cops were responsible for rounding up and writing reports. With so many people (again, the cops didn’t decide on the size of the crowd) and the nature of the “gang before morality” code, it wasn’t easy. I could nit pick and pretend I would have done it better, but that is just talk.

              I haven’t seen the evidence so I don’t know what the legal folks are thinking. I do know 30 people were killed or injured and it wasn’t a “turkey shoot” like some people suggest. That is a flat-out lie people here keep trying to shove down my throat. I don’t lie to be popular, I have a soul.

              Does it bother me some people have a fit when I try to get to the real truth? Not really. Just like liberals, some people are willing to accept terrible things to be able to advance their own personal cause or slogan.

              But wrong is wrong and I don’t like liars. These people aren’t telling the truth. Their OWN “ride or die brothers for life!!!!” were murdered, and they aren’t telling the truth. That’s sickening behavior, to take the lives of others then whine when you are rounded up for it.

              The Cossack who saw his father murdered seems to be the witness who is most believed. The cops don’t think (from what I have read) he is 100% truthful, but his timeline seems to fit the evidence.

              Why is it a problem to check cell records in this case? They do it in every case where cell phone evidence can help. If someone texted 30 bikers and said, “Let’s go kill some Cossacks!” don’t you think the cops should know that?

              People are turning murderers into Constitutional Heroes and I think that label is sadly misplaced in this instance.

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    • Aussie says:

      In Oz there is a good reason to crack down on the bikies, but not the bikers. The bikies are criminal gangs. They are involved in a lot of murders. They are at the top of the drug dealer tree, and there is a lot more to say about them. One of the gangs that was shut down is known as Brothers4Life. This Middle Eastern group support IS. Most of the members are now in jail.

      Queensland and NSW have been leading the crackdown. I hear very little about what they are doing in the other States.

      There are bikers who are not involved in any of these activities and theyare fine.

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  12. Rodney Plonker says:

    From last week, this is a very interesting inteview on San Antonio Public radio with a journalist with GQ. Not good news for Waco Justice system.

    Interview: http://tpr.org/post/reporter-interviewed-22-bikers-waco-shootout-heres-what-he-learned

    Detailed GQ Article. http://www.gq.com/story/untold-story-texas-biker-gang-shoot-out

    In their own words, GQ came in to analyze the extent of the biker gangs but walked away with a scathing assessment of Waco police and Justice system.

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    • art tart says:

      Randy Plonker ~ Thanks for the links, interesting.

      From your GQ article:

      “To survive the storm, the city’s legal strategy seems to be to pressure the Waco 177 into pleading guilty to minor infractions for time served; this would preclude the bikers from being able to sue for wrongful imprisonment.”

      Here lies the problem for the DA/Detectives, this is going to cost Waco a fortune. In an early interview, someone, I forgot whom complained to the MEDIA that those “claiming innocence aren’t acting like victims.” (paraphrased) Seems the DA/Detectives should have known it’s not likely the biker’s would roll over on each other.

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  13. rmnewt says:

    Les, Less is more. Suggest y take a deep breadth and consider the fundamentals of our justice system and the facts of this case. Maybe consider yourself an innocent club member for a moment.

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    • Les says:

      I didn’t say they were all guilty. Why take a breath? Y’all are only looking at one side of the issue and I am offering the other side in the name of due diligence.

      The personal attacks don’t bother me, I find them weak and I already know what the posters are going to spout before I read it. They don’t realize they are towing the company line, parrots. I am just trying to understand what REALLY happened without the conspiracy “FALSE FLAG!” theories and the “experts” on biker culture who are neglecting to mention the darker side that exists with outlaw motorcycle gangs.

      I didn’t make up the outlaw gang image or put weapons in those people hands or make up the past violence and drug/prostitution/theft ring offenses. I’m not stupid, I know some of these guys and gals are just weekend warriors who are looking for some kicks, BUT people died here. All the people arrested were present and had some level of involvement. Those that can’t admit that are lying to themselves. If only 20 bikers showed up and were arrested, would people still be having a conniption fit? Of course it takes longer to process 170 than it does to process 17. Obviously.

      The police didn’t start this. That is the worst lie I see here. The police didn’t instigate it. The police tried to shut it down before it happened. They knew it was a dangerous situation. It was indeed a dangerous situation. Why so much anger directed at police? Why is it okay for police to infiltrate other drug dealing gangs and not biker drug dealing gangs? Is there some common sense here I’m not seeing? Is meth any worse from a crip than from a Bandido?

      It is hard to have a conversation with people who have some ideal already instilled who aren’t willing to look at facts. #BLM bikerslivesmatter #handsupturkeyshoot

      I don’t hate bikers, I do hate murderers. Especially murderers who bring their problems to a public parking lot. It’s ridiculous. Of course Waco doesn’t want that to happen in their town. You want that to happen in your town?

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      • keebler AC says:

        Actually, from the sounds of your comments, you do hate bikers, all of them. You have stated and that these bikers hanging around a shopping strip mall, and then you state public parking lot (which it is neither because the parking belongs to Twin Peaks land lord and is an island not linked to the main shopping area) are culpable by mere association with Bandidos and Cossacks bikers – and deserved to die or be charged with wrongdoing. So yes, you do hate all bikers. As for murderers, unless we are psycho, we same as you hate murderers and for this very reason we also want to find the correct perps. Please don’t suggest that we don’t and please don’t preach from your apparent higher pulpit.

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        • Les says:

          I hate liars, not bikers. If they happen to be one and the same in this instance, not my doing. And I lose respect for people who push false narratives.

          Your post was aimed at demeaning me. Didn’t sting. You don’t know how I feel about anything because you don’t know me. I’m guessing you don’t know any of the bikers involved in this, either. You already tried talking crap to me once about this very issue and ended making rude comments about my boy’s funeral and the Patriot Riders. I guess that didn’t deter you from having another go. That says more about you than it does about me.

          The parking lot had NO BARRIER between the Don Carlos OR the mall behind it (Belk, Kohl’s, Cabela’s, Cavender’s, Joann, Office Depot, Best Buy.). It also didn’t have a bullet barrier between the parking lot and Hwy 35 or the access road. Bad place for shooting at other people.

          Are you implying that isn’t out in public? You don’t think they built the restaurant for the public to use? That Twin Peaks couldn’t have been over a year or so old, I remember them building it. Wonder how much money they lost on that deal by having to close it because of this incident? I’m sure the investors are fully supportive of the biker gang war. Or maybe not.

          I know it irks me because I actually live in the area and drive that way often and have been to that Cabela’s. I take this showing of stupidity in public seriously. It probably isn’t as alarming from your house.

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          • Les says:

            And for the record, pretty sure they have laws about discharging firearms in a parking lot bounded on one side by a busy access road and an interstate. I’m not going to look it up, but I’m pretty sure it’s frowned upon by law enforcement.

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          • keebler AC says:

            Demeaning you, lol. And nothing you ever write is demeaning to others when you cast aspersions on those on the other side who seek the truth too. You do preach a lot about how you are above and beyond everyone’s opinion in particular the referred comment of yours where you state you seek the murderers – as if we aren’t on the same page. Anyhoo, for the most part, I skip your I’m-holier-than-thou comments until you simply go too far with the holier than thouest. It doesn’t make you right. I barely glance at your sincerely off tangent comments and focus on bringing elements which are 9 degrees of separation from the case – unproven “factoids” not even mentioned in the articles of interest on the thread. I’ll wait for justice, not what you have to say to circumvent the very basic facts presented which point to the shaky ground on which the Waco LE to date. don’t preach to us when you present your arguments is what I’m saying. Leave your personal “I” this and “I” that moments out of it. When you do, it’s a total annoying liberalish I’m-better-than-the-“majority” turn off and it’s not just me who senses it. Some people enjoy being a contrarian and most consider it trolling to get a reaction. If you’re not, then great, stop acting like you are.

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            • Les says:

              “liberalish” hahaha Only women and weak men fall for the peer pressure about about age 13.

              You are parroting some blog I can read myself. I am trying to piece together what happened by reading the articles. Not that news is true anymore, but a blog is for sure an opinion.

              What you are deeming “holier-than-thou” is called thinking. I’m thinking about this and trying to have it make sense. Sorry my thinking bothers you. I should just pretend it is a big conspiracy by police?

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  14. liberty2828 says:

    One of the arrested bikers found a way to get his story out and part of the record. Good for him!

    My name is George Bergman and I want to introduce myself to the Court and to the District Attorney’s Office and tell you who I am.

    http://www.agingrebel.com/13445

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    • keebler AC says:

      Really excellent link with details.

      I want to excerpt for the record on the thread so we all are reading the same data,

      I then saw one police officer in front of me just shooting wildly toward the crowd at Twin Peaks with a rifle and then one officer ran past me and told me to stay on the ground. I want it to be clear that I did NOT take place in any violence that day. I had been to several other COC meetings and there was never any violence at the meetings. I left my gun in my Motorcycle because I never dreamed I would need it when going to a COC meeting. There are things from that day I will never get out of my mind:

      • The police shooting into a crowd of motorcyclists.
      • Me calling my wife at 12:27 and telling her, ‘Baby I love you and I may never see you or talk to you again. I am in
      the middle of a police shootout “
      • Having the police dump a body of one of the bikers in front of me and me having to try to plug the hole where he was shot to help stop him from bleeding out and dying.

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  15. Alfred E. Neuman says:

    Reblogged this on The Lynler Report.

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  16. Les says:

    Marshall “Nomad” Mitchell, used car salesman from Longview, TX is the man who is accused by Cossacks of setting them up at Twin Peaks in Waco.

    Pays his taxes, has a nice house, pics of him in a private plane, seems like an upstanding guy. Many of you will tell me what a wonderful man he is.

    Here’s what he did in 1990:
    http://openjurist.org/904/f2d/936/united-states-v-d-schmick

    Make special note of the bombs they made, illegal weapons purchased, and organized criminal activity surrounding the planning of an attack on another MC gang. Marshall was CONVICTED of federal firearms charges. Now tell me the police set this up to make the poor innocent freedom riders look like bad guys.

    These people are playing like little kids at pretend wars with rival gangs. Stupidest sh!t hobby ever recorded for adults. To do it in a public setting is reprehensible. What if you were eating at Don Carlos that day with your kids?

    Was Marshall “Nomad” Mitchell stupid enough to organize violence after being caught up in it in before? Did he learn from his past mistakes? The phone records will tell.

    Outlaw criminal motorcycle gangs give a bad name to law-abiding motorcycle enthusiasts.

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    • John says:

      I see your point Les. You are right. The best thing to do is figure out a way to corral these suckers in a small area and encircle them with 100 Officers and wait for the smallest reason to open fire on the whole lot. Hopefully they all will be shot.Then we round up whoever is living and trump up some charges on them. Concentration camps are to good for this type. After that we should go after these tea party kooks. Then the gun nuts,(Sarc)

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      • Les says:

        This isn’t the first time the police have staked out that Twin Peaks because of this issue (remember that location is only about a year and a half old):

        The police story seems to be that both of these groups were acting like children and fighting over Waco. It’s ridiculous that anybody claims to own Waco for their territory. If anyone “owns” Waco as territory, it has to be the police who patrol Waco as they are actually paid and assigned to be there.

        If you read it, the official version of events is: past killings and violence, money issues because Cossacks refused to pay to play, trouble at Twin Peaks in Waco before May 17, Bandidos (and that “innocent” woman who reserved the restaurant for the meeting in the first place) holding the meeting in Waco to irritate Cossacks, Cossacks showing up to protect turf.

        All of this in a public setting because of middle-aged man egos. Silly. Get Viagra instead.

        Read the long post here, #20 to get a real view of Bandidos and their “brotherhood” (really just a bad Ponzi scheme, you never get your money back): STRONG LANGUAGE
        http://www.topix.com/forum/city/tupelo-ms/TH0JLVBO8BERETGOF

        These folks aren’t worth defending. I can’t tell who is lying, likely everybody involved. Either the Cossacks were set up or the they were egged on, not sure which is more accurate, not that it matters. This shouldn’t have happened and Waco shouldn’t be asked to pay for it.

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        • keebler AC says:

          These folks aren’t worth defending. No, you don’t hate bikers at all. You wipe one group with the same brush. The LEs are all not guilty, the bikers are all guilty, do you hear yourself and your non-specificality in regards to each situation?

          By the way, the only knife injury was a “superficial” cut on one dead biker and we have no way of knowing when or where it happened. For you to challenge us and query do we think the LEs used knives to kill the bikers is just…….so out there it’s beyond ridiculous. You deserve some ridicule for statements like this, quite honestly!

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  17. jeffronimo says:

    Sundance, excellent article. Keep up the good work. Aging Rebel is all over it, also.

    For yourself and others who may be tempted to continue “debating” with “Les”, I think you might want to consider the likelihood that this is his raison d’etre.

    https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

    Copsucking, government shill. There, I said it.

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    • Les says:

      That must be it. Calling names is easier than posting facts or investigating on your own to disprove what I have posted. Maybe you can get a bunch of people together to band against me. You can wear matching clothes and charge dues and y’all can meet up at Don Carlos since they closed Twin Peaks…

      I’m not a sheep. I can’t think of one good reason for any biker who belongs to another region to show up in Waco for a meeting they usually don’t attend. In fact, the meetings are usually held in Austin for this region. That’s why the out-of-towners were charged.

      I live here and I don’t like this BS going on in my backyard. Plus, I’m right. That has to burn. You can’t say the bikers didn’t shoot and stab each other in that parking lot.

      Think a little then get back to me.

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    • keebler AC says:

      These do fool most by way of aping talent but inevitably their agenda by virtue of their raison d’etre gets revealed.

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  18. keebler AC says:

    From this link:

    “While they do not authoritatively state any judgment on to exactly what type of bullets from what type of gun did the killings—important to discover how many of the deaths and woundings were caused by police themselves as opposed to out of control feuding bikers—the Aging Rebel web site sums up what they don’t tell us:

    They do not….disprove the notion that all, or at least most of the dead men were killed by police using M-16s and FN P90 machine guns.
    
    Thirteen of sixteen entrance wounds were .25 inches in diameter or smaller.
    
    FN P90s fire a round with a diameter of .224409 inches. M-16s fire slightly smaller rounds with diameters of 0.218898 inches. All but one of the victims had wounds fired from a downward trajectory. Six of the nine dead had head or neck wounds. <b>None of the wounds contained gunshot residue which indicates that the shots were fired from at least three feet away and probably five feet or farther away. The absence of residue casts doubt on claims by prosecutors of “Bandidos executing Cossacks, and Cossacks executing Bandidos.” Two of the dead had large wounds consistent with a 12 gauge shotgun slug. Ten of 16 wounds were in the back, indicating that the victims were running away when they died.</b> Seven of the wounds were fired from right to left. Six were fired from left to right.
    
    Nine millimeter bullets have a diameter of 0.35433 inches; forty caliber handguns fire a bullet that is four tenths of an inch in diameter and 357 magnums fire rounds that are about .357 inches in diameter…
    
    <b>Most of the recovered bullets were either highly deformed or fragmented which indicates they were fired by high velocity …..</b>
    
    <i>Most police ammunition in the United States is designed to penetrate a human body to a depth of 12 inches and for that reason that ammunition is usually copper jacketed. Most of the bullets that killed at the Twin Peaks were <b>copper jacketed</b>….</i>
    

    https://reason.com/blog/2015/08/28/waco-biker-massacre-inconclusive-autopsy

    There is no contesting that something very awry happened, and the victims who died didn’t deserve to die in that manner just because they were bikers, wore a patch that some believe incorrectly is associated with murder and mayhem through umpteen degrees or more of inference. No, Jesse Rodriguez, former Purple Heart, biker who left his gun behind when he was killed, DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE and DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE ABANDONED IN DEATH as some here would like us to do.

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    • keebler AC says:

      Citation again (the above didn’t work apologies):

      QUOTE

      They do not….disprove the notion that all, or at least most of the dead men were killed by police using M-16s and FN P90 machine guns.

      Thirteen of sixteen entrance wounds were .25 inches in diameter or smaller.

      FN P90s fire a round with a diameter of .224409 inches. M-16s fire slightly smaller rounds with diameters of 0.218898 inches. All but one of the victims had wounds fired from a downward trajectory. Six of the nine dead had head or neck wounds. None of the wounds contained gunshot residue which indicates that the shots were fired from at least three feet away and probably five feet or farther away. The absence of residue casts doubt on claims by prosecutors of “Bandidos executing Cossacks, and Cossacks executing Bandidos.” Two of the dead had large wounds consistent with a 12 gauge shotgun slug. Ten of 16 wounds were in the back, indicating that the victims were running away when they died. Seven of the wounds were fired from right to left. Six were fired from left to right.

      Nine millimeter bullets have a diameter of 0.35433 inches; forty caliber handguns fire a bullet that is four tenths of an inch in diameter and 357 magnums fire rounds that are about .357 inches in diameter…

      Most of the recovered bullets were either highly deformed or fragmented which indicates they were fired by high velocity …..

      Most police ammunition in the United States is designed to penetrate a human body to a depth of 12 inches and for that reason that ammunition is usually copper jacketed. Most of the bullets that killed at the Twin Peaks were copper jacketed….

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    • Les says:

      Jesse didn’t deserve to die. None of them deserved to die. But some of the bikers started the shooting. I’m not sure what you would have police do about it. Nothing? They didn’t die BECAUSE they were bikers, they died because they were caught in a gunfight THEY started in a parking lot. Nobody is even pretending police fired first at this point because it just isn’t true.

      We don’t know which rounds killed which people. As the Cossacks were outnumbered almost 2:1, you have to wonder why 8 of the 9 dead were Cossacks.

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      • keebler AC says:

        I’m going to say this clearly to you, again,

        because obviously you go in circles, get off track pontificating from your egocentric-risen POV disregarding the main points given by commenters who desire a defense for the bikers and who are dead (you have chosen slur the dead’s name in your previous posts about how they if they dare show up in Texas where you live wearing a badge and congregate at a “strip mall” (an exaggeration) and a “public parking lot” (another falsehood, I point out that you stretch the truth in your desire to pontificate at people),

        that not only did Jesse not deserve to die, he deserves a defense from people like you particularly when we see there is lying already going on by Swanton and the nefarious appointment of a Waco detective on the jury. Evidence is not aligning up with your narrative so pardon us if you don’t imbibe your useless postings about Bandidos and Cossacks. These don’t brand the victims and the bikers guilty. You would like nothing better than to remove the rights of bikers to freely associate which interferes with their Constitutional rights so you can attend a strip mall and not see Bandido patches or any patch. You clearly are a liberal thinker and don’t know it.

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  19. Les says:

    Bandidos are known drug runners. Many of the Bandidos involved in the incident are long-time members. Surely they knew a little something about the importing of over $600 million in meth.

    https://www.fbi.gov/dallas/press-releases/2010/dl051310b.htm

    https://www.fbi.gov/sanantonio/press-releases/2011/nearly-40-members-and-associates-of-bandido-outlaw-motorcycle-gang-charged-in-three-districts-for-alleged-drug-and-firearm-offenses

    https://www.fbi.gov/dallas/press-releases/2010/dl051310b.htm

    http://www.westword.com/news/bandidos-motorcycle-club-members-alleged-meth-ring-inside-operation-tick-and-flea-collar-6282639

    Maybe I am a “copsucker” because I don’t do drugs and I don’t like drug dealers. OR maybe some of you aren’t thinking clearly. Would you belong to any organization that had members importing and dealing drugs with Mexican cartels? I would think that would be a no-go for most upstanding folks. (Notice I didn’t sink to the level of calling anyone here a meth head.)

    This is from 2003, these folks have been at if for a very long time:
    “Mexican DTOs and criminal groups are the primary wholesale distributors of methamphetamine in Texas. Hispanic street gangs, prison gangs, and OMGs also distribute wholesale quantities of the drug. According to the DEA Austin Resident Office and the Midland Police Department, Hispanic street gangs and prison gangs distribute methamphetamine at the wholesale level in their jurisdictions. The Tri-County Narcotics Task Force reports that OMGs, particularly Bandidos, dominate methamphetamine distribution in its jurisdiction north of Corpus Christi. Other OMGs, such as Tiburones and Amigos, also distribute wholesale quantities of methamphetamine throughout the state.

    …The San Antonio Police Department reports that the Bandidos OMG distributes retail quantities of methamphetamine in that city.”

    They use the smaller clubs like the Amigos, we have been calling mom & pop clubs (they call them duck or puppet clubs), to help deal drugs and to intimidate others bikers.

    The police showed up early in marked cars to try to dissuade the groups from fighting The Great Texas Rocker War. The bikers started the shooting and stabbing and beatings right in front of police. Should the police have just watched it unfold? Imagine the outcry if the police and done nothing to stop it.

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  20. Les says:

    No comments on the decades of drug dealing? Let me tell you why this matters. THIS is what led to the Bandidos being classified and put on the gangs list. In Texas, members of organized criminal enterprises, also know as street gangs, are NOT allowed to legally have Concealed Handgun Licenses. That’s right, they forfeit the right to carry a handgun legally in Texas because they belong to this organization with this known criminal activity. The prosecutors are holding many of the smaller clubs solely because they are wearing a Bandidos support patch.

    THIS is why the man & wife Distorted members were charged. They had a patch and a handgun in the saddlebag of their bike.

    Because of this incident, any non-drug dealing CoC&I club that is wearing a Bandidos support patch is automatically included in the criminal charges, even if they were really there to attend the meeting and not beat up Cossacks. This is what happened to some of the Vise Grips, the vintage chopper group from Austin. Because they traveled to Waco (not even sure the Vise Grips had Bandidos support patches), it was illegal for them to have the weapons according to the authorities. This includes knives and clubs. http://www.stateoftexaschl.com/chl-faqs/who-needs-a-chl/

    Because of the Waco shooting, the Cossacks are now also classified as a street gang and THEY have lost the right have a CHL, knife, or club. I posted a link earlier showing the Central Texas chapter didn’t hold their meetings in Waco until this meeting.

    All the authorities need to hang all of these folks is the communication between members and clubs showing they changed the meeting place to either a.) have a meeting beforehand with the Cossacks, or b.) to intimidate the Cossacks and all of the people involved will have criminal records and will possibly do time.

    Prosecutors are saying this was planned in advance because some of the Bandidos and Cossacks arrived in trucks/SUVs in order to carry their weapons. That is also why they seized the trucks and some of the bikes.

    The Bandidos are taking down some of the “innocents” with them. Not all of the clubs are “parrot” clubs, but they are all going down just the same.

    Why people are blaming police is beyond me. I do think the police killed some of the armed bikers (I’m guessing at least 4), but this was a mess and happened quickly. Sympathetic gunfire might have happened. But I am placing the blame squarely where it belongs, with the Bandidos and their decades of illegal criminal enterprise and propensity for extortion and violence.

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    • keebler AC says:

      You can link and post umpteen articles and whatnot, 50 even of the same sort, and it isn’t worth a darn because none of them are specific to the event. You can’t pull articles in a courtroom and read it to the jurists because it is point-of-fact irrelevant to the case at hand. Neither can you query, as you do, to the jury, “do you really think the Waco LE would do such a thing, murder 8 bikers in daylight?”. It’s sorry to say, but I have to say it – nonsensical defense.

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    • wondering999 says:

      Les — I’m glad you are posting more details and more history because the reporting on this Waco incident has been sadly lacking in details, and has raised a LOT more questions than were ever answered either by police, media, or random blogs.

      I’ve been upset by it all, probably more than many people here. Maybe that is because for a brief time in my 20s I rode a motorcycle — not to be tough or edgy, but because I couldn’t afford a car and needed to get out into the country sometimes, and I had a boyfriend at the time who had a bike too for the same reasons.

      I eventually gave the bike away under pressure from a sibling who has worked in emergency rooms and has seen more than his share of donorcycle accidents. In the meantime, I had been witness to at least a couple of incidents where prejudices against “people riding motorcycles” came into play, and one of them could have potentially killed or maimed me — some drunken teens decided to swerve into the lane where I was riding my little bike alongside my boyfriend on his bigger bike (I didn’t want to ride on back behind me, I had already decided I would have my own accidents if any were going to happen…) The angels helped me out and no damage was done, but it was frightening.

      Anyway, bikes and bikers are not intrinsically bad. Bikes are a reasonable cheap way to get around to work and to play when the weather isn’t rainy or icy. It chills me to the bone to think a bunch of people at Waco could be rounded up, shot and incarcerated with no evidence, and I’ve been looking for more information, a LOT more information than has been available. I haven’t understood why this hasn’t been investigated in thorough detail. Thanks for your posts and for your work, I respect police in general and the difficulties of the service that law enforcement provides for the rest of us who just avoid criminality in general to the best of our abilities, and don’t want to see or hear about it. I know it’s complex, but the details need to be known and explored.

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  21. oldiadguy says:

    Keebler AC

    It appears to me that Les is tied to someone with the Waco Pd. Look at the inside information that he has posted. The DA’s rational for the arrests and strategy for prosecution. Also, look at some of the terms he used, “The Great Texas Rocker War” and “parrot clubs.” Google searches failed to find any hits on those terms and those terms sound like “cops speak” to me.

    Les likes to throw out questions to others but rarely answers those directed to him. This action alone makes it look like he has an agenda. The irony is that he doesn’t realized that his comments are painting a very unfavorable picture of Waco law enforcement in particular and Texas law enforcement in general. Especially to those of us that have been in the system for decades and know how the system is supposed to work.

    Les has the viewpoint that law enforcement is always right and officers are always truthful. Maybe he should look at this site.

    http://photographyisnotacrime.com/

    I don’t endorse the viewpoint of the site, but it does give a reader an idea about the “dark side” of law enforcement.

    Take Care

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