Sweet Mother of Hades, The Gun Used By Illegal In San Francisco Belonged To A “Federal Agent”…

Good grief, could this flippin’ preventable murder get any more bizarre?  First we learn Kate Steinle was randomly shot by an illegal alien.  Then we learn ICE had requested notification of his release, which the Sheriff’s Department ignored.  Then the illegal alien claimed he shot Ms. Steinle accidentally while trying to shoot a sea lion (a position he has since modified).  Now it comes out the gun he used actually belonged to a “federal agent”.

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SAN FRANCISCO (KRON) KRON 4 has learned that the gun used to kill a 32-year-old woman on San Francisco’s Pier 14 belonged to a federal agent.

A Sig Sauer pistol was used in the fatal shooting, a source told KRON 4. The gun was recovered last Thursday in the bay by a police dive team. The source described the weapon as being an expensive, high-end, common police gun.

Another source with knowledge of the investigation told CNN’s Sara Sidner that the gun belonged to a federal agent.

Sanchez is accused of shooting and killing 32-year-old Kate Steinle at the Pier 14 dock along the Embarcadero. He has been formally charged with murder.

Steinle was with her father and a family friend at the time of the shooting. Steinle was shot in the upper torso. She was taken to San Francisco General Hospital where she died.

Sanchez told a San Francisco news crews during a jailhouse interview that he found a gun wrapped inside a shirt and when he picked it up, he heard three shots go off.  (read more)

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114 Responses to Sweet Mother of Hades, The Gun Used By Illegal In San Francisco Belonged To A “Federal Agent”…

  1. bertdilbert says:

    “the gun belonged to a federal agent.”

    Well at least more gun laws are not the solution!

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    • Daniel says:

      I disagree. We need laws protecting the people by enjoining the government against actions which inhibit self-defense. I know we have the constitution for that “in theory” but that clearly does nothing to inhibit the government. We need to make law which makes government actors personally and even criminally liable in some cases where the right to keep and bear arms had been limited and could have reasonably resulted in a person’s life being lost.

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      • Johnstoirvin says:

        Daniel says, “I know we have the constitution for that “in theory” but that (enjoining the government against actions which inhibit self-defense) clearly does nothing to inhibit the government.”

        That’s sad, but true because the main purpose of our Constitution is to “inhibit” the government.

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        • Jett Black says:

          Yeah, you have to have people in goobermint who honor their oaths and follow the laws as written, not however they happen to feel or by whatever misinterpretation they can take more money and power. In other words, the opposite of just about every person and aspect of current fedrool goobermint is what is needed. You can’t get that with “laws.” You get that with direct, public, physical and moral accountability.

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          • Maquis says:

            I hope that the parents sue San Franfreakso on the basis of their “Sanctuary” laws.

            Would be a tremendous Blessing to see all such laws overturned in one fell swoop.

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      • bertdilbert says:

        In San Francisco CA? It would have to be a federal law to get them to do anything.

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  2. TheLastDemocrat says:

    Here it comes….
    some SJW group is going to start demanding that this guy be set free. I can just sense it….

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      • dizzymissl says:

        From the article:

        According to the San Francisco Chronicle, citing “sources close to the investigation,” the gun was not the agent’s officially provided weapon. According to the Chronicle, the .40-caliber pistol was reported stolen in a car burglary last month in San Francisco’s downtown area.

        It was not clear Tuesday night whether Lopez-Sanchez was that burglar or, if not, how exactly he acquired the gun.

        Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/7/kathryn-steinle-killing-gun-belonged-federal-agent/#ixzz3fGXh7Mf7
        Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

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        • revbacon says:

          Too much to hope for that it was from a “fast & furious” mis-step. The Sig is not the weapon provided to most Feds (that’s the Glock, chambered for either the 9mm or the .40). I think that Secret Service may issue Sig-Sauers to its people, but definitely not FBI. The Sig is a very expensive gun- probably twice what a Glock costs. The article said it wasn’t his/her service weapon, which makes the whole thing a bit more plausible.

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          • archer52 says:

            the feds have been “losing” their guns for years! I can’t remember how many BOLOs we got from some serious weapons being stolen. One time, some fed SWAT team had all their gear in a trailer, coming back from some meet. Stopped at a motel and guess what, all their stuff was stolen.

            This guy is a liar and probably the one who broke into the car and took the gun. He is the living example of what Trump was talking about, the low intelligent, cunning, habitual felon Mexico doesn’t want in their prisons so they send him here to be in ours.

            And from what I’ve read, in this particular case, his release by San Fran is ON them. The feds really didn’t want him out. This was no “wink and a nod” moment here.

            But the liberals in San Fran are so proud of their piss soaked paradise (all the homeless are stinking up the city because there has been no rain to wash away their urine) they don’t care if they get their own killed. No, not true. They don’t care if a regular person gets killed. You see leaders get killed by their stupid policies and those policies would change in a split second.

            But they live above the danger. Until that changes, nothing will change.

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          • archer52 says:

            I think some agencies still do issue Sigs. And some did and moved away from them. There is a good chance at one time that gun was the duty weapon.

            Not that it matters, the issue is the poor protection the fed offered his weapon.

            It can protect you, but it cannot protect itself from theft. THAT is your job. Lock it up when not using it. Hide it, put it in a safe, but for the Love of God, do not leave it in your car!!

            How is it protecting you if you are inside sleeping and it is outside being stolen?

            That used to drive me crazy when I was working. Now you armed a felon and he just killed a sweet woman.

            Good job numbnuts!

            Any one of three elements removed from the series of events and she is alive today. 1. Illegal in jail. 2. Gun not stolen. 3. She not there at that moment.

            After years of work, I have come to the conclusion that nothing occurs by accident because all things are connected. There are no vacuums. (That is why traffic accidents started being called wrecks. There are no accidents)

            For example, I worked a death of an older Hispanic man. We found him bent over, wedged between the wall and the side of the bed. He died there, upright. Why was he dead? Here is the set of circumstances; 1. He was sick. 2. He had to have surgery. 3. He was diabetic. 4. He was not fluent in English 5. His doctor was not fluent in Spanish. 6. The bed was pushed up to the side of the wall.

            He was told by his doctor that he needed surgery. Part of the prep was to take himself off some of his medications. The doctor made it clear NOT ALL medication, including his diabetes meds. The man misunderstood, and stopped taking it. During the night he must have felt ill, was confused and got up on the wrong side, wedging himself there. His condition had deteriorated to the point he could not free himself and either passed out or something failed. Bent over and overweight he died.

            Take out any few elements- fragments- and he is still alive. Heck take out ONE and he survives.

            I used to analyze an event to see how far back the fragments of the concluding moment started to intertwine. It is an amazing process and one maturity brings. It also bring that wise old comment you find yourself telling young people who don’t have this knowledge:

            “I wouldn’t do that if I were you.”

            but they do.

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        • Moishe Pipik says:

          Cars in SF are nearly guaranteed to be broken into. This is because SF loves vagrants and petty criminals and things that stealing from cars is just part of normal “income redistribution.”

          It is irresponsible beyond words for the Government to leave guns in cars parked unattended on SF streets.

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          • Maquis says:

            There are gun safes that can be mounted in a car, designed even for that very purpose, that are virtually impenetrable and easily hidden or camouflaged. Two-hundred for an incredibly stout Fort Knox safe. That’s on my short list, even before Mr Fed lost his piece.

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            • At any rate, it’s not reasonable to leave a weapon in a vehicle,in many, many areas. To each his own for sure, but a Fed.? In SF? I don’t see it as logical, at all..as far as whether it was a sig or hk, Glock, I’m not sure why the interest in manufacturer.. I’m not sure it matters, if it is legally owned, run the numbers & see the transaction info. A legal weapon transaction is allowed in my state between folks with no other deciding factors needed, however, I’m not sure that’s the case in Californication..( SF ) just a guess, but I assume it’s a big no no..( legal )

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            • Rurik says:

              If you know you won’t need it, why do you have it? If you might need it, why is it not on your person?

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        • partyzantski says:

          Store it in the car, they said.
          It’ll be safe, they said.
          Fools.

          Note the story is written that the “gun went off”. It’s all the gun’s fault, see?
          So, the Feds now throw the city under the bus in the finger pointing circus. For operationalizing the Federal plan.

          Where do we find representation like this?

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          • archer52 says:

            He’s lying. He stole it, played with it and it went bang. Or he just decided he was going to kill someone. Who cares. He is lying and NOW he gets to stay in jail, the Willy Horton of this election cycle.

            But she is still dead and that is the heartbreaking, lousy no good, mind-numbing point here.

            And those idiot leaders and MSM talking heads just keep right on trucking.

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            • edwatts1969 says:

              “[T]hree shots” while picking up the wrapped gun? A full-auto SIG P-229? Of course! If the police made such outlandish claims, the arrest report would read like this:

              “Suspect was not coöperating with legal commands and was resisting being placed into wrist restraints (handcuffs). I had to restrain him repeatedly about his head and shoulders while effecting the arrest, hence, the six broken teeth, multiple cranial and facial lacerations and contusions, left ocular orbit destruction, both skull fractures, lower mandibular fracture and dislocation, and the fractured left clavicle and dislocated right shoulder. The compound fracture of the right tibia/fibula occurred when the suspect momentarily escaped from custody while in restraints, falling from a high (16″) curb while running. Any and all other injuries were probably pre-existing.”

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              • archer52 says:

                Like the murdering felon who fell down a flight a stairs twice. When asked why he fell two times, the detective answered, “the first time didn’t kill him.”

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                • edwatts1969 says:

                  Me like!

                  The “classic” accident report: “While on routine patrol with my head up my @$$…”

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        • Rurik says:

          Does he have paperwork proving he reported the loss at the time? Otherwise, every one of you treepers who has a documented gun, now has a good answer if the po po stop by to confiscate at some later date.

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    • deqwik2 says:

      Another example of why gun laws don’t work. Crooks won’t stop stealing guns just because they are banned.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        Gun laws also won’t work as the people charged to enforce them also violate them. To serve and protect – yeah, Feds should open up a Spanish-speaking gun store, that would help relax the federal deficit.

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    • MattMusson says:

      Are we sure it was not a Fast and Furious Weapon? And, the car thing is not a cover?

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  3. Alfred E. Neuman says:

    Reblogged this on The Lynler Report.

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  4. partyzantski says:

    People in San Francisco, gleaming gem of socialism on the left coast, now will see the left singularity. It explicitly includes them. In this fashion.

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  5. 1hear2learn says:

    Wow, just wow… Sweet Mother of Hades is a lot nicer than what first came into my mind! Thank you SD for your ability to express my bewilderment more appropriately. 😉

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  6. wolfmoon1776 says:

    This is getting very strange. At this point I have to ask – what was Ms. Steinle’s background, work history, and travel history…..

    Somebody on the link above said this reminded them of “Fast and Furious”, which is still a bit of a mystery. There is a great disturbance in the Force – that’s all I know.

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    • georgiafl says:

      Are you thinking she was targeted?

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      • Burnt Toast says:

        That or the most interesting man in San Fran shot her for shiites& giggles…

        OK, just kidding, either they did in fact have some ‘acquaintance’; or he killed her because she looked like a sea mammal; or for some unknown reason which maybe could possibly be divined by first placing their photos side-by-side and seeing what is most evident… coming clearer… clearer.. no, lost it.

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        • Jett Black says:

          He killed her b/c he didn’t give a F. He just shot his shiny new gun, maybe at a sea lion, maybe at a gull, maybe fantasizing he was a great Mayan hunter, but mostly, b/c, conditioned by the progs, he had no thought of consequences, morals, or anything resembling responsibility. He still doesn’t.

          BTW, Sigs are very safe, well-made guns–they don’t fire by themselves. Looking at some catalog info, it’s a fair bet it was either a P226 or P250, both of which can be configured with Sig’s SRT action, a variant of Double Action Only, which provides a shorter throw, SA-type trigger pull after the first full-DA pull shot. That could sort of make this an accident, as a complete idiot scumbag who doesn’t give a F and thinks it’s OK to point guns at people or wherever without concern for people, would likely not have any familiarity whatsoever with such a fine piece of engineering, designed for professionals.

          I wonder how many more shootings they’ll be able to match with ballistics from this gun?! That should be one slug-low-feeling fedrool agent right now and heading lower.

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          • Rurik says:

            Considering, that agent belongs in strict protective custody for his own safety, lest he eat another gun, wither without or with assistance.

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    • Jersey Beach says:

      Here you go wolfmoon, her background. Kate Steinle: San Francisco shooting victim known for thinking of others first.

      http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/07/us/who-was-kate-steinle/

      This case is much more involved then we are being told. Now an agents stolen gun? rolls eyes, wonder what comes next.

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        Thank you very much. That was extremely helpful. I need to think about this for a while. I have a couple of theories that need sleeping on.

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      • edwatts1969 says:

        From the CNN story:

        “Steinle was a world traveler. The Middle East, Europe, China and Africa — she visited them all, her brother Brad told CNN”s Anderson Cooper.

        “She liked to travel, but Steinle wasn’t just trying to check off cities on a bucket list. There was more to it.

        “‘It wasn’t sightseeing that excited her,’ said her best friend, Nicole Ludwig. ‘She loved to go meet the people, know the cultures, engross herself in the lives of people.’

        “Steinle left a lasting impression wherever she went, according to Ludwig.

        “‘Kate was an amazing soul,’ she said. ‘Everyone who met Kate knew she was very special.'”

        Hmm…

        …Sounds like CIA, NSA, or some other “alphabet” agency might have been her travel agent. Some years ago, I would NEVER have thought that the government of my once-great, once-beloved country would/could do such a thing; today, however, I wouldn’t be surprised if the leviathan murdered my innocent children to shut me up.

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    • Rurik says:

      Maybe because she was a Gringo woman?

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  7. auscitizenmom says:

    SMH

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  8. jackphatz says:

    “the gun was not the agent’s officially provided weapon” Then why was it in their car and not safely locked up? Yeah, I know, conceal carry is allowed. Sad and this sucks. I really hope we hear from the agent for his side.

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  9. aprilyn43 says:

    Unbelievable! Obama’s “Hope and Change” in bloody living color!

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  10. Reblogged this on elirazcon and commented:

    Peradventure, this is some sort of federal government conspiracy from federal agents who are against amnesty for it being unconstitutional and this may be a plan to expose Obama’s amnesty corruption, naturally the gun would be reported as “stolen” but does one really believe a federal agent would “loose” their gun? Another cover up lie from the government would be the federal gun report wasn’t “actuate.”

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    • partyzantski says:

      Feds lose firearms all the time.
      The lost M-4 in Ferguson…
      some older stories: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92863
      and http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/matt-vespa/report-atf-agents-leaving-guns-cars-bars-planes-and-sewer-grates
      Not even touching on Fast and Furious here.
      No indication the trend relaxed.

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    • IntoTheFray says:

      I remember not to long ago there was an item in the news about capitol police leaving their gun in the restroom at the Capitol building.
      And yes, it would be interesting to know why, in this case, a gun was left in the car, which are notoriously easy to break into.
      That said, it was still, apparently, stolen and if recently, I would bet it was stolen by the guy who used it.
      Many questions still to be answered.

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      • The Fighting Man says:

        And why was it not put out of sight in the car? Glove box, under the seat, in the trunk….in the console….the possibilities are endless. Do TPTB actually think we are THIS stupid???? SMH.

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        • Jett Black says:

          There are pretty serious under-seat safes designed to secure pistols in vehicles. If you’re gonna drop the coin a nice Sig costs, you should either keep it with you at all times or lock it in a safe, even when in your vehicle. This has become as much a fable of the uncaring hubris of fedrool agents as it is one of the complete lack of humanity present in the feral, coyote segments of the illegal immigrant population.

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  11. Sharon says:

    I’m sure he just borrowed it and, unfamiliar with our LEO culture, wasn’t aware that if he was going to shoot someone (or a modified sea lion) that he should use a different weapon.

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  12. Millwright says:

    First of all the public needs to know if there’s been any official action from the agency this “federal agent” works for regarding his loss of a firearm. Further, why did the agent leave his firearm in a unattended vehicle ? Why did this agent who, ( presumably had access to a complete arsenal of government weapons ) have another not assigned to him ? Do any supportive inter-agency communications, alerst or reports documenting its loss prior to the shooting exist ? If not, WTFN ? In some jurisdictions that agent might easily be charged as an accomplice. Particularly if he made no effort to notify local authorities of its ‘loss’.

    IAC, the anti-gun types, progressives and the SFO elite are facing dealing with an unsightly pile of dirt under their rug.

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    • BitterC says:

      Really. If that handgun had come from one of ours’ cars, would we not still be under questioning at the police station and potentially facing charges? I hope the media does an FOIA for the stolen gun report. I think it is a crime where I live to NOT report a stolen weapon. Not sure. Would bet anything it is in Kommiefornia.

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      • Judicial Watch needs to be all over this. I don’t think the media will. They’re helping to bury something here.

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      • IntoTheFray says:

        BitterC, while what you say is of interest, as an aside and there may have been some laws broken, let’s keep our eye on the ball.The primary cause of this young lady’s death is a liberal “sanctuary city” policy protecting people who have broken our country’s laws, many who have mental issues and criminal backgrounds. This is being allowed by our country’s federal AND state politicians, who are voted in BY THE VOTERS.

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  13. YGTBFSM! this whole thing is now so full of WTF it has reached galactic proportions of complete and utter insanity

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  14. kinthenorthwest says:

    Hopefully it nothing to do with Holder’s Fast and Furious program—Or did it??

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    • Well, at this point, if it was, the thing to do would be to come up with a story that was bad, but not AS bad, and relatively unquestionable. Lost by a fed works on all 3 counts.

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  15. fred says:

    I’m still very confused how a reporter got into jail one day after to do an interview with a murder suspect and coaxed him to say he was sorry.

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    • Habanero says:

      Good point. And to add to it, where are all of the bleeding heart advocate lawyers telling him to shut up and confess to nothing? The whole confession: “Yeah, I shot her.” I don’t believe any of this story.

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      • That is an incredibly good point. A lot of this stuff “stinks sweet”.

        The shamelessly pro-sanctuary CNN media is very weirdly questioning sanctuary cities, and even commienut DiFi came out swinging, and very likely exposing herself to charges of hypocrisy on the issue. Something is not right. They’re protecting Obama and Jarrett. The only question in my mind is WHAT needs protecting.

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        • Rurik says:

          Supposedly he spoke no English, so how do we know what he said or confessed? Along the same line, how do we know what Dylann Roof actually said or confessed?

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  16. LadyRavenSDC says:
  17. Mentalist says:

    “We don’t have all the facts but we do know that once again innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun.” – President Obama on the Charleston church shooting.

    Waiting on similar comments from President Obama, an advocate of illegal immigration and open borders by virtue of his words and actions on the murder of Kate Steinle, who was murdered (shot multiple times) by an illegal alien with an extensive criminal record who had been previously deported five times.

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    • chick20112011 says:

      If it hasn’t been “on the news”, Barry doesn’t know about it and when he find out, “no one will be madder than him”. (barf)

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      • Mentalist says:

        I was speaking “tongue in cheek” since I honestly don’t expect him to address this for several reasons. First, the victim (white woman) and the perpetrator (Hispanic male) aren’t the right “color” to justify any commentary on his behalf. Second, if he were to talk about this, then it would put the policies which he has advocated “front and center”. Remember, as Sundance astutely pointed out, his administration is due in court this week (July 10) to defend his executive action on immigration.

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  18. czarowniczy says:

    In the few months that the military loaned me to a Federal agency heavily involved in gun laws we had cases where Federal and local LEA had ‘lost, misplaced or otherwise had their personal firearms compromised’. If we had those cases in just that few months I can imagine how many there are over the long haul. Yeah, they were washed away/buried.
    If you or I were to leave our guns in a position where they’d have been ‘lost’ and used in a situation like this we might be looking at a criminal suit and most assuredly looking at a civil one. I’m betting this one goes under the prosecutorial rug – when you makes the rules you gets to break the rules.

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  19. It sounds like “fast & furious” doesn’t it?
    Feds weapon, illegal alien ( felon ) white women, sanctuary city, news media, long interview in jail.. Sea lions, pier 14, a Iranian general/sheriff, heroin.. Gun mysteriously fires x 3, stolen from a parked car,

    I declare, the gun, car, sealion, pier 14 & the beautiful young woman who was shot & killed are innocent..

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    • Beowulf says:

      “Do LEOs have to check their service revolvers and/or their private weapons when entering federal buildings”

      Federal agents can carry firearms anywhere, including on an airplane or any govt building. I saw a U.S. Marshal in traffic court last year (to his credit, he didn’t try to badge his way out of the ticket) . It was amusing watching a defendant openly carrying a Glock .40 standing before the judge.

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      • Plain Jane says:

        Beowulf, thanks. I didn’t know. I was thinking that a parking lot for buildings where guns are not permitted would be a very lucrative spot to break into cars and glean guns.

        Thanks for the funny story also.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        “Federal agents can carry firearms anywhere, including on an airplane…”

        Yet our Military can not carry their services weapons onto a plane while being removed from a hostile environment (remember the sudden exit of Yemen?) and are made to render those weapons unusable before being allowed to take off.

        Yeah we ain’t in Kansas anymore Toto!

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  20. Chewbarkah says:

    Not sure I buy the claims that the gun was not the federal agent’s “official weapon” or that it was really stolen in a vehicular break in. Journalists need to ID the “agent” and his/her “agency”, and unravel the story from there (prior associations of agent and shooter?).

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  21. wallythewalrus says:

    Hey Jose, Sea lion lives matter.

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  22. The Fighting Man says:

    I wonder if this illegal alien Sanchez guy was MK ULTRA’d and sent to do this dastardly deed….I strongly suspect the vacuous, seemingly brain-dead murderer Dylann Roof to be a MK ULTRA patsy. Two killings of innocents, one on each coast, within a two-week time-frame by blank-eyed, apparently brain-dead individuals has a distinct aroma, and I don’t mean of coffee….

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    • Plain Jane says:

      Out on a limb here. Maybe totally off the limb and maybe I’ve read too many espionage novels, but Kate Steinle traveled a lot. Her occupation would be a great cover for other activities. Just tossing that out at risk of being thought of as a kook, but was she a spook. (rhetorical and no poetry intended) Would an agency use an uneducated illegal bum to kill her?!? Or is he really an uneducated illegal?

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      • Dave says:

        I guess the claim might be that he just picked up the gun and someone else actually shot her. Some questions and considerations are: 1) were there shell casings right where Sanchez was standing when the shots were fired? 2)were the bullets actually fired from the gun Sanchez was holding and were they of the same caliber? 3) can it be determined if the shots were fired from the distance from which Sanchez is accused of firing, did they enter at the angle required considering Sanchez’s position, and were there any other positions of cover nearby or elsewhere that could have been used and is there evidence that someone did that? 4)were Sanchez’s fingerprints found on the shell casings or on the part of the magazine that is situated inside the grip? 5) is there any DNA belonging to Sanchez on shell casings or the same part of the magazine situated within the grip or anywhere else on the inside of the gun? 6) can Sanchez be connected with the gun, can it be established that he bought the gun or got it somewhere or from someone? 7) is there any clear footage of the shooting or did the family actually see Sanchez point the gun and shoot? 8) what other physical evidence connects Sanchez to the handgun? 9) if this is indeed the handgun of a federal agent, when or how did it get from the federal agent to Sanchez? 10) did the federal agent report it missing at some point? 11) did Sanchez have the wherewithal to buy an expensive handgun on the black market or elsewhere? 12) can it be established where Sanchez was in the hours preceding the shooting and how did he happen to be at the scene? 13) were Sanchez’s previous criminal actions acts of passion or premeditated crimes, was he a professional criminal, was he an opportunist? 14) can any other witnesses be located? 15) was there any previous connection between Sanchez and the victim, between the victim and the federal agent, agency? etc. I have not been following the story carefully enough to know all the facts, I will be following it more closely now.

        Even if it turns out that there was some kind of operation that caused this tragedy, as you know, Sanchez still should not have been here in the USA and the immigration non-enforcement is still unacceptable. Furthermore, as you probably know, this tragedy still does not justify attacks on our 2nd amendment rights and indeed Sanchez was not illegible to own a gun.

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        • Plain Jane says:

          Dave, thank you for all the food for thought. This is really an intriguing situation or it could really be something black and white like the media is trying to present. In any case, too many questions may never be answered. Or the answers may be buried.

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        • Dave says:

          Correction, thanks bofh for the link, apparently Sanchez is supposed to have obtained a Sig Sauer rifle from the agent’s car (but the evidence of these claims is still important). Apparently it was a rifle, not a pistol. In addition to the handguns and submachine guns for which Sig Sauer is famous, they also produce rifles. I do not claim firearms expertise. According to Wikepedia, Sig Sauer also manufactures several rifles, including sniper rifles. Was this a sniper rifle? I still have not encountered the exact model and caliber in the article. It seems strange that a federal agent had a Sig Sauer rifle in his car. One imagines that they are not routinely carried in cars and are tightly controlled by the federal agents, perhaps kept in their SWAT armories (or HRU, etc.). It would be interesting to see more facts such as model and caliber of the rifle. Many of the articles concentrated on the illegal alien status of Sanchez and didn’t have many facts about the crime.

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  23. Tkim says:

    Thank you Sundance. Many of us say that a lot but I hope you truly understand how much of a service you give. You bless us.

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  24. bofh says:

    The Daily Mail identifies weapon (Sig-Sauer pistol) as “rifle”. Well, I don’t know – maybe it had one of “those shoulder things that goes up”…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3152998/The-city-mistake-Illegal-immigrant-shot-San-Francisco-woman-appears-court-amid-media-circus-Hillary-Clinton-joins-Republicans-condemning-city-releasing-kill.html

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    • Plain Jane says:

      Looks like Hillary is attempting to get some credibility because of this killing: “Condemning the city: Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton old CNN that San Francisco was wrong to ignore the ICE detainer request and release Sanchez from custody after local prosecutors dropped marijuana possession charges in April.”

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  25. bitterlyclinging says:

    Very few times does a confluence of events like this occur. The economic crash of 2008, John McCain’s abdication of his presidential campaign, Al Franken’s theft of the Minnesota Senate Seat, the conviction of Alaska Senator Ted Stevens throwing his seat to the Democrats.
    Can the city of San Francisco be sued? If so, can we get enough quality legal representation, with enough fire in its belly, to come in on the Steinle family’s side to sue the city to the verge of bankruptcy

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  26. bitterlyclinging says:

    There is a method to their madness. Sanchez was the perfect Democratic voter with a second grade education. Beats the candidates for the former UNC African studies programs whose stuents ran the gamut from the third to sixth grade in their reading skills, the preponderance of which was at the third grade level. The cream of the crop, high school grads all.

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  27. Dave says:

    Ironically, while many conservatives ponder secession in order to implement constitutional and traditional values and policies and save at least part of our country and people, the communists calling themselves “liberals” and “progressives” are essentially causing cities to secede from the states in which they are situated as well as from the federal government, in order to implement even more radical policies than those of the federal government under Obama! The states in which these communist enclaves exist need to clamp down on their illegal activity. Perhaps San Francisco needs to be labeled “Mexican occupied territory” and retaken for the United States of America. Mayors and other officials need to be impeached and imprisoned when they break the law. The Quislings need to be removed. The cities are dependent upon the state in which they are situated and furthermore, the people who live in the surrounding suburbs are usually the capable, knowledgeable, and competent people who make the city profitable and functional.

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    • Plain Jane says:

      Wow & Yes! “The cities are dependent upon the state in which they are situated and furthermore, the people who live in the surrounding suburbs are usually the capable, knowledgeable, and competent people who make the city profitable and functional.”

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  28. Dave says:

    PS As for the claims that the gun belongs to a federal agent, that is very strange indeed and in need of further investigation. There may be a lot more to this situation than meets the eye. We must be very wary indeed when guns and the press are involved.

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  29. TEAFORALL says:

    Where is the anti gun protest??????????That is because it is not a white on black crime

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  30. Rurik says:

    Once again we’ve got a narrative crumbling at the first glance. If KRON knows the gun belonged to a Federal agent, they should be able to tell us his name, and specify his agency. At the very least the agent is liable for his own irresponsibility. When Uncle gave me a gun, I was responsible for it, and liable if I lost it. The story about “found it wrapped in a shirt in the trash”, if true, sounds like a method of covert transfer.
    On the other hand, a known felon acquiring a firearm from a Federal agent is eerily evocative of Fast & Furious. Is this the sequel, designed to serve both the cause of disarming the American citizenry and also legitimizing the unimpeded entry of criminal foreigners?
    Sounds to me like probable cause to arrest both the agent and his supervisor.
    And if the whole take is a lie, why did this alien shoot his victim, as he has confessed?
    Donald Trump has only scratched the surface. Thank you, but scratch even harder Donald. Harder and Deeper.

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  31. archer52 says:

    True story moment about the “old days” in the NYPD. There was a rash of violent robberies by armed men targeting bodegas. This was back in the seventies. The NYPD created a task force of detectives to stop them. They would hide in the stores, in the back or above the coolers, armed with shotguns and .38 pistols, waiting for the next robber. Or they would pretend to be clerks or set up across the street in unmarked cars.

    During the operation I think seven armed suspects were killed. Two were killed by a detective who was pretending to be the clerk. His back up left the store to get something down the street and a minute later they heard gunfire. They ran back to see their buddy standing over two dead perps. The two suspects had pulled their guns, but the detective, who was the champion pistol shot on the department, made short work of the two.

    The political leaders started questioning the kill ratio of the crew. Far too many blacks were being killed by the police, who swore they gave the suspects a chance to surrender, IF the bad guys could hear the offer over the gunfire!

    But that is not what did the unit in. Nope. What gave them the hook was when one day two detectives took a break and went into a tailor shop to get some suits for an upcoming Halloween party. Both were armed with shotguns which they took with them into the fitting rooms.

    Suddenly, two armed robbers, both black males, came into the store yelling this was a robbery. The detectives later reported they approached both suspects commanding them to surrender. Sadly, the two did not, and one was killed with a shotgun blast and the other was wounded.

    Unfortunately, the surviving suspect had a different version of the incident. According to him, it was true he and his buddy attempted to rob the tailor. Everything was going swell when suddenly two tuxedo wearing, shotgun toting cops burst into the room and started firing right after one of them yelled out loudly “Happy Halloween M**herF***ers!”

    The task force was quietly disbanded shortly thereafter. BUT the bodegas were safe once again.

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  32. ackbarsays says:

    Sundance, there’s even MORE to the story.

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/07/09/sf-sheriff-specifically-asked-for-killers-transfer-to-sf/

    “New information in case of the July 1 shooting death of Kathryn Steinle in San Francisco reveals that the San Francisco’s Sheriff’s Department specifically requested the transfer of five-time deportee, seven-time convicted felon Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez to their custody upon release from federal prison on the basis of a drug charge that the Sheriff has since told reporters the city almost never prosecutes.”

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