Jessica Lane Chambers Murder – Day #85 – “Who’s Playing Who”?

Prior Thread – Day #83 HERE 

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Something not adding up.

Previously DA Champion gave a timeline for Jessica’s activity on the day she was murdered.   The activity he outlined was based on CCTV capturing her movements, interviews with people who talked to or saw her on the day in question, and USMS technological forensics in tracking her cell phone; this is called geo-location.

DA john ChampionThe “geo-location” capability of the USMS is the most technologically advanced in the entire Federal arsenal of law enforcement. In addition, the USMS also have “stingray” technology, which are devices that capture EXTENSIVE transmitted data.

Because the USMS are known to have been conducting some kind of activity in the Panola County area it is quite possible ‘stingray’ units were already in place.  Regardless of Stingray deployment the traditional cell tower ping logs and geo-location from GPS would still be highly accurate in locating the signal from Jessica’s cell phone.

The cell phone tracking is what was used (mostly) by Champion to frame and focus the media during his press conference.

However, it should be noted -early and often- that phone tracking is only that, tracking a phone. The assumption is the phone is with the owner; regardless of probability this is an assumption and not a verifiable fact.

It is assumed that Jessica’s phone was on her person during the timeline presented.

Additionally, it must also be noted that just because the phone is operable, this does not evidence the health or well-being of Jessica while the phone was “on” or “trackable”. Again, the assumption is that Jessica was alive and well during the timeline as described.

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According to DA Chambers Jessica was home, or near home, for most of the day up to a point at approximately 5:00pm when she left home to run errands as described by her mother Lisa Daugherty:

♦ Sometime shortly after 5:00pm Jessica received a phone call and she left home. The caller is identified and as a friend, and Champion said “no bearing on the case”.
♦ Her immediate travel took her to the M&M First Stop gas station where she was identified on CCTV at 5:24pm
♦ She then travels to a “residence” (confirmed “house”) shortly before 6:00pm where she stayed for 5-7 minutes.
♦ She leaves the residence (headed North) and at 6:10 pm is identified at SR #51 and Highway #6 in Batesville where she is identified in the area (via private CCTV) for approximately 10 to 15 minutes.
♦ The timeline then puts Jessica back in Courtland area at 6:30pm (location not given) where a timeline void begins for almost an hour.
♦ At 7:31 pm her phone is identified in the area where she was later found. It is assumed she is with the phone.
♦ From approximately 6:30pm to 7:31pm her activity and location, according to DA Champion, *is not known. This is the period he is requesting the public to provide assistance with.
♦ At 8:09pm a call to the fire department is made.
♦ At 8:13pm the Panola Volunteer fire department arrive. Within minutes, according to responding Fire Chief Cole Haley, he calls for a paramedic, an air ambulance, and a direct call for P1 (Sheriff Darby)
♦ At 9:30pm Jessica’s burned vehicle is photographed on a tow truck at M&M gas station.

Jessica timeline 12-6-14

Thank You Diane for the graphic.

In addition, and in direct relationship to the missing hour (6:30pm to 7:31pm), Lisa Daugherty has claimed to have had a phone conversation with Jessica for “twenty minutes”.

Daugherty confirming phone call

According to Daugherty the call was from 6:48pm to 7:13pm (she also said 6:58pm). Daugherty discussion/interview HERE.

Which begs the obvious question, if Daugherty was talking to Jessica at that time, why is the USMS, according to lead investigator DA Champion, unable to detect the phone use with the data forensics employed for the rest of the timeline. [Yet another, odd and unanswered question skipped by the media.]

We have been able to verify that it would be *virtually impossible for Jessica’s phone to be geo-location transmitting -via cell phone ping logs or other-  at 6:30pm (arrival back in Courtland) and again at 7:31pm (crime scene) yet for the USMS not to retrieve location during the phone call between Jessica and Lisa.

(*Where “virtually impossible” really means “absolutely impossible”)

So what gives?

Obviously the USMS knows exactly where Jessica Chambers was during that phone call – again, if it indeed took place, and Lisa Daugherty is not repeatedly lying.

Yet DA Champion is saying he doesn’t know where she was?   Does not make sense.

Possible scenarios:

#1)  Lisa Daugherty is flat out lying, repeatedly, and a call never took place.  This would also mean that Champion knows Daugherty is lying – and potentially means she’s a suspect.  Hence, no information back toward her camp.

#2)  Champion knows, and is hiding knowledge of where Jessica was during the call for some unknown reason.  (<– The most likely scenario)

#3)  The USMS is telling Champion they could not recover that location, but they actually have it.   The possibilities in this scenario are rather large in scope and all of them Machiavellian.

Obviously, if #3 is the case we have just screwed the USMS objective –  unless they knew we would  – and the USMS wanted Champion to find out this way.  (We know he and LEO/FBI read here).  See what I mean, “Machiavellian angles” are endless.

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1,227 Responses to Jessica Lane Chambers Murder – Day #85 – “Who’s Playing Who”?

  1. pspsst says:

    I’m confused now, who said Jess put a layaway on shoes – Champion? A hold can be a partial deposit if item is expensive and buyer wants to make sure no one sells it by accident. I saw some poor girl once put a hold and then return the very next day to put 25% down so she could keep talking to her boyfriend to convince him. Her mother decided to pay in full because another customer was sniffing about. The puppy was adorable.

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    • angie says:

      The first I saw that Champion might have said anything about Jessica and shoes was on this thread. I asked for a link and then did a Google search but cannot find a reference with Champion saying anything about Jessica and shoes.

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      • pspsst says:

        INVESTOPEDIA EXPLAINS ‘Layaway’

        “A purchasing method that allows a consumer to put a product on hold by placing a deposit on the item. Layaway allows the customer to make smaller payments on the product until the purchase price is paid in full, rather than paying for the item with credit and adding interest to the cost. A layaway plan ensures that the chosen merchandise will be in stock and ready for pick-up when the final payment is made.

        This method works for consumers who have a limited amount of disposable income and are unable to make larger purchases all at once. It also works to retailers’ advantage by allowing them to offer products to lower-income customers. Layaway can also be used as a savings plan; because the customer has already made a commitment to purchase the product on layaway, he or she can not give in to temptation to spend the money elsewhere. ”

        For a simple pair of shoes, a short-term layaway for a few days is possible until paid off. I think Air Jordans were popular and scarce at one point with buyers trying to secure their purchase by putting payment down and scrounging to borrow. The poor economy gives rise too to this kind of casual agreement, casual unless the item is a large appliance in which case maybe weeks or months to pay before they can take home. For those with no credit, no immediate sale.

        http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/layaway.asp

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        • angie says:

          I was going by what the salesperson, Alexandra, said, “She just put shoes
          on hold with me at Belk at 7:45 last night. I told her I’d be here till 5:45 today she said she would probably sleep till 10 or 11 this is horrible.

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          • pspsst says:

            The definition I posted says a layaway can also be a hold or referred to as a hold. It’s a hold but with deposit given. It’s done when the buyer is anxious about losing a hold, and the deposit secures the hold because you get a receipt. A layaway can be small item.

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      • Diane says:

        It was a FB convo between JC’s friend, Leslie Daniel Hall and Alexandria Walker, a clerk at the Belk Store. There was no reply when Alexandria asked if JC had a purple streak in her hair. JC and AJ Prince are listed as FB friends of Alexandria’s ON Alexandria’s FB page…so I wondered if she knew JC why she wouldn’t recognize her..? — here’s the screenshot again: http://i.imgur.com/2Ege7Qb.jpg

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        • d4j says:

          In the photos of Jessica wearing large crucifix earrings (at JUSTICEforJESSICALANE on Facebook), it appears that Jessica might have streaks in her hair. (The streaks could be artifacts of lighting?)

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        • angie says:

          Alexandra could have been added after Jessica died. Whoever was in charge of her FB was adding people in the early days after Jessica died. I noticed the number of her friends list increased. Did Alexandra post on the Justice for Jessica FB page? If she did, smoke of those people were added to thenFB friends pages as long as they played nice and went along with whatever AJ and Lisa said.

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          • 2+2 says:

            I was thinking that Alexandra and JC could have added each other using phone apps at the store, similar to how Jessica and Linda Oliver added each other the day they spoke.

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            • 2+2 says:

              oh…maybe jessica saw the shoes in the ad, called the store and talked to Alexandra, verified they were available, they added each other via FB mobile? That way Jess could talk to her later without calling the store.

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          • Diane says:

            I don’t think so…don’t know why she’d send a friend request to someone who’s passed….and someone would have to accept the friend request from Alexandria…but more importantly, they were friends when JC had her OLD FC account – the one prior to 8-24-14 – you can tell this because JC’s profile photo is from her old FB acct.

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            • 2+2 says:

              ok same thing, perhaps they knew each other via phone ordering? But she would still have recognized her in person from her FB profile photo…hmm.

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            • angie says:

              Happens all the time. Either AJ or Lisa took charge of Jessica’s FB page. They added people as friends because the number of Jessica’s friends increased for several days after I first read here about Jessica’s burning. First thing I did after reading here about Jessica was to go to her FB page and I checked it daily until it was made private.

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        • 2+2 says:

          Jessica had her hair UP that night, I doubt she would have had a streak or a clipin wearing that style but you never know. I checked the pic of her in the striped dress and others where she had her hair up to see if she had color in any of those, she doesn’t.

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      • jewelsc6 says:

        I can not find any pics of Jessica with a purple streak either

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    • Trod says:

      I’m confused by your comment???? Did she go shopping?

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  2. angie says:

    Just saw a breaking Panolian article that said Jessica was seen in her car in the Dogwood Hills area.
    http://www.panolian.com/69321/1180/breaking-news-3

    This is a subdivision in Batesville. It’s right near Eureka Rd and 2-4 minutes from the Rudds. Woodland Road is easily accessible from both Eureka Road and the Dogwood Hills subdivision.

    http://www.panolian.com/69321/1180/breaking-news-3

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  3. jakeandcrew says:

    Here’s the screenshot about Ali working in Derma, MS. I had seen this before, so I knew it was there (before I got back into “always take a screenshot” mode). Finally found it again:

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  4. jewelsc6 says:

    A lot of chatter about Jessica possibly being at M&M earlier in the day around 2:00. If I recall correctly Champion mentioned she may have gone out earlier that day. Which if true, she may have mentioned to someone where she was going later that evening, would give someone more time to plan..

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  5. If she was in Belk’s that night, it should have been documented by security camera video. Hopefully, investigators were timely in obtaining the recordings before they got overwritten. This case is also a study (= example of poorly conducted) in criminal investigation PR procedures. Panola County should have considered obtaining (requested from outside agency) and retaining an experienced PIO at the beginning of this case. Carefully constructed and timed media releases can really help the progress of a case, as can the proper admonishment of family members and friends to not discuss the case with anyone else, unless approved by the investigation. The inverse can really foul things up for the case, though.

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  6. punkinseed says:

    Question for fire investigator: Approximately how many minutes or seconds would it have taken Jessica’s car to burn? I’m trying to wrap my head around the moment the killers lit the match to them making their getaway.

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    • If a moderate amount of ignitable liquid was used on the interior, the passenger compartment of that size car would likely have been fully involved in a matter of seconds. From my experience with test burns, we got a small sedan interior to go fully involved in less than 20 seconds. That is with all of the upholstery and plastic trim contributing to the full heat release potential.

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      • punkinseed says:

        How long, approximately, would it take for the car to go from fully involved 20 seconds to running out of material to have flames? I know it would smoke and smolder for awhile after running out. I’m asking because I’m wondering how long between the arsonist ignited it to make their getaway to the witness seeing the flames and calling 911.
        Another question: Why didn’t the gas tank blow up?
        And if Jessica was in her car when it was set on fire, wouldn’t the fumes and smoke have killed her a lot quicker? I think she was outside of the car and the killers dumped gas on her, which is why she was still alive. Just a theory. Thanks for your answers.

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        • 2+2 says:

          She had to be outside the car or she would have already been dead from smoke and fumes when they found her. I’m pretty sure those with arson experience have reached a consensus on that.

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          • punkinseed says:

            I thought so. I get a bit of info. from working with FD and SO when I was a reporter, but it’s been a long time ago. ..So minutes after 8 p.m. (911 call at 8:09) is when the killers set the car on fire and quite possibly took off down that dirt path that’s on one of the maps to avoid cops who have dash cams, as does FD, and lurked from back there a bit in the dark. Cams on the copter might have caught the arsonists’ headlights. If they stayed they’d be stuck on the path to avoid detection as the cops were there for some time on the scene. Wherever they went, the next person who saw and smelled them right away and would have known and is keeping quiet for now.

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            • pspsst says:

              The hunt is on. Do you feel as if you’re there? It scared the bejeebies out of me last night reading the new info and seeing the swampy paths linked here. Jess must have been frightened suddenly, especially if she planned only on going to see shoes (somewhere on layaway if not Belk’s) and then she finds she’s the party the pack of hyenas wanted. If the vermin didn’t have a car themselves and took Jess’ car on a joyride, they were on foot back home. You’re right, they may have been stuck.

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              • punkinseed says:

                I don’t think she was on a shoe run at all. That’s the wrong Jessica. She was with someone her mom didn’t approve of. She trusted them and they turned on her and attacked her for being a “snitch” which she might not have been, but those crazy “bitches” don’t care what’s fact or fiction.

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            • 2+2 says:

              yes, and I’m not forgetting Danielle’s screenshot of Jessica’s phone. That fits with Jessica making the call herself at 8:08.

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            • 2+2 says:

              dogs. dogs. dogs.

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              • punkinseed says:

                And dogs is what helped get the death penalty for Scott Peterson. … some of the dogs worked weeks after Laci went missing and still had no problem tracking.

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  7. Ziiggii says:

    I spent the weekend filling in more data into my map.
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zEBwtblSH4V4.k9ZqlMLcocag
    you can turn on and off layers to see different views. I’m still trying to pull together documentation for all of the data points. If anyone is interested in collaborating on it all I need is an email address. Still trying to figure out a way to get peoples addresses without having to post them here.

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    • 2+2 says:

      awesome Ziggi!!!
      can you see the pix I posted on the link a few minutes ago? Kelli Fitzgerald, re the screenie Jakeandcrew posted.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        she’s a moon bat

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        • 2+2 says:

          lol yep. I’m using chrome and 90% of the time when I post links they don’t show up, or the link shows up instead of the pix. If I use IE everything shows up, but it crashes after 10 minutes. So y’all please bear with my multiple posts. 🙂

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  8. MD Brownie says:

    The heat is ON !!!

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  9. jewelsc6 says:

    Shannon Michelle Inman told me Jessica was at Boss on Eureka to clean her car that night..

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  10. Diane says:

    Part 1 of 3:
    Bryan Rudd Arrests+Release Dates
    From Iowa Courts Online Search:
    https://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/SelectFrame

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  11. Diane says:

    Part 2 of 3:
    Disposition of his 11-28-14 Iowa Arrest:
    Does this mean he was released on 12-01-14 with a “Promise to Appear” on 12-09-14 ??
    Release Date: 02-12-15

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      It sure looks like it

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      • pspsst says:

        Bryan’s rather short and the rear of the driver seat in the Kia were not that far back, altho it was reclined far enough for him to hide his stupid cranium. If the vids are still avail 87 days later, we’d see an invisible driver.

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        • 2+2 says:

          It was said on earlier threads when we were discussing the car that the seat latches may have released due to heat and the seat backs fell during the fire. You’re right, the seat bottom is not pushed that far back.

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    • pspsst says:

      Studies show that most arsonists of the criminal type show a history of series of minor or major infractions. Most are young males 17 to 21 years of age. Ali and Bryan all in that age group. Brejean is the gas carrier, supplier, go-pher. He’ll do anything for a bag of nickels from Bry.

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      • 2+2 says:

        I agree about BJ, I don’t think he “lit the match”. He provided the means, an accomplice. He can cop a plea for immunity and get the reward if there’s a conviction.

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    • 2+2 says:

      That’s great detective work Diane! So very possible he was home for the big game and to surprise Jessica. He would have to be back in Iowa for his hearing on 12/9. I wonder if he wanted her to go back with him and she refused. Hmm when is Bryan’s birthday? Anyone know?

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      • Diane says:

        08-22-1991 – it’s listed on the arrest records I posted above

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        • 2+2 says:

          ok ty I missed it lol.

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          • wanthetruth says:

            Wow. Bryan Rudd was 19 or 20 when Jessica lived there? She was 15 or 16? No wonder dad was upset. Bryan would have been out of h.s. already.

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            • 2+2 says:

              He was a football player and she was a cheerleader. They might have started dating during the end of his senior year when she was a freshman. She was 19 when she graduated in 2013, so he may have been 19 when he graduated. Lousy academics there as in other poor states, all the focus and money is on athletics and getting those scholarships, they can’t make it any other way.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        I have wondered if the reason Jessica turned down the recent proposal because she was still stuck on Bryan. The big green monster may be at play here.

        The phone call at home that Jessica got or the off camera person at M&M may have alerted Jessica to go see Bryan’s mother, that he was in town.

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        • 2+2 says:

          or the phone call that Ali says she got in the store that I think went to voice mail and she called back before she left the station.

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          • justfactsplz says:

            That’s why she sit in her car so long. She was on the phone. Bit by bit, I think we are finally getting somewhere.

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        • Meyer says:

          From my perspective, I think it was the other way around. I remember reading that Bryan was getting married and has a baby momma. When the wedding date approachs, guys tend to reach back to connect with lost loves . . . kind of like checking to see if they have any regrets.

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          • justfactsplz says:

            I didn’t realize he had a baby momma. Thanks.

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          • 2+2 says:

            agree. I saw on his FB he has a babymama. If he was here for the football game and to see Jessica one last time before he gets married, two possibilities. 1) As you said, to make sure of no regrets, and let her know he’s doing ok and he’s glad she is too, just friends catching up . 2) To ask her to go back with him, before he takes that step. Babymama is 2nd choice if Jessica doesn’t accept.

            third possibility – nefarious rather than innnocent. Bryan was the lure. Jessica was told he’s in town, getting married, and wants to talk to her one last time. Motive: Rudds revenge for Breannas jail time and Bryan’s having to leave town. Jessica was the stag party entertainment, but she fought back, got knocked out, etc.

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    • Kitty Smith says:

      He was arrested on a complaint/warrant issued 11/28. Three days later (which, with a few extreme exceptions, an arrestee has to be arraigned or released via bond, bail, or promise to appear within 72 hrs. of entering custody) he agreed to and was issued a promise to appear on 12/9 for a bond hearing. On 12/9 the court ordered (bondable) bail of $1,000.00. He secured bond from a bail bondsman. He had a court-appointed attorney. A plea agreement was reached and on 2/12/15 he waived his rights and entered a guilty plea involving payment of a fine and costs on a payment plan to commence one month later @$50pm. The bond was released (meaning refunded to the bondsman on 2/12).

      There was no jail sentence or probation. It appears he was out of jail continuously since 12/1, although he may have been remanded from the bail hearing on 12/9 until bond was posted on 12/12, but I doubt it. In either case, he was not in custody on 12/6.

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  12. Diane says:

    Part 3 of 3
    Dispositon of Bryan Rudd’s 04-24-14 Iowa Arrest:
    Released on 05-09-14

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  13. flyonthewall1 says:

    In refreshing my memory on a few things, I ran across the interview Ben Chamber did with People Magazine. He says there was a struggle beside her car. I assumed there probably was a struggle. However, this is the only documentation I have seen of a struggle.
    *Important to note: There are numerous inaccuracies in the People article. I’m hoping this is accurate as it is a direct quote.

    “There was some kind of struggle there,” he says. “I think someone pulled up beside her. My thought is that the person knocked her out and thought they killed her and poured gas on her and she woke up and got out of the car.”

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  14. lastConservinIllinois? says:

    Ive been gone for a couple days,
    Does anyone know if brejuan washed his *ss or brushed his teef yet?

    Just wondering ………

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    • Diane says:

      No, but it appears they have reconciled…per last nights posts on BaeBae’s FB page

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      • 2+2 says:

        Diane, I think that was an old picture. Teanna seems to be bipolar, she was on her aunt Cathy’s FB last night about reconciling. But apparently he’s had enough again and hightailed it to his fam in Illinois. The woman he stayed with overnight says BJ told her everything and threatened Teanna with “one phone call and …”
        This woman is 38 years old. Perhaps BJ left so he can cut a deal for immunity, put Teanna in jail and have enough money to raise his daughter.

        What angers me is how these 2 are allowed to keep a child, and a nice prepper family like the Stanleys have their kids taken from them.

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        • pspsst says:

          What if Brejean was gopher, the dullard he was easy to manipulate by Teapoo and the Rudds. He seems not too bright. Teapoo wears the pants in that relationship. Brejean may have been ordered by Sandy and Teapoo to be the man and go get the gas. He really thought is was for Sandy’s generator so he’s been cleared. $55K is a lot of benjamins, a lot of brass, BJ! Get yourself to safety, call FBI and ATF, all the toll nos. and tell as many people as possible. If BF gets hurt, we’ll know it’s the Rudds. Teapoo in her jealous rage thinking she got BF $55K while she suffered in hiding, it would absolutely destroy her. That’s a lot of fancy soaps and hot water, BF! No more skimping.

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      Went to Brejuan FB and he is talking about going to Illinois !

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      • lastConservinIllinois? says:

        Ha!
        No room for any more stank -*sses up here, we have way more than our share already.

        But if he does make it up by tomorrow, Rahm Emmanuel says “vote for me!”

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      • pspsst says:

        Apparently Brejean is under the impression Obama is protecting his feral sons in the heinous Jessica crime.

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        • lastConservinIllinois? says:

          I think Obama probably IS protecting his feral youth.
          Protecting – and educating – them, like the boys (that’s right, I said boys) that were watching “As Above, So Below” the night of Jess’ murder.

          I believe that film will play a role in this case before all is said and done.

          Played a role, as in ginned up some stupid black yutes who were sitting around getting stoned and then looking for a whitey to make pay for some FICTIONAL issues the film raised.

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          • lastConservinIllinois? says:

            By the way, I sure would like to know where those destitute panola yutes picked up their copy of “As Above, So Below”.

            That film is available NOWHERE!

            I have been searching for that film since a couple days after Jess died and the only place I can find it i’s at UCLA film school, not for distribution.

            I wonder if Obama and Holder and their CRS handed out a few copies to the impressionable yutes across the country?

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          • pspsst says:

            They got nothing better to do than watch movies and fancy themselves some demented heros or heroines. Teanna claiming she’s Carrie from a very old movie by today’s standards is revealing. Personally I’m still stuck on code name for JLC being Ed Harris. Can’t seem to shake it especially since it was Sandy who referenced it. The entire sub-groups are involved from Mista to the Rudds to Ali, hence no snitches. It cuts a wide swath to have silence so oppressing.

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            • lastConservinIllinois? says:

              I gave up trying to figure out the Ed Harris reference a while back.

              Ive seen many Ed Harris movies, hes one of my favorite actors, and i cant make sense of the reference.

              Its probably something as goofy as Jess being the only white person in the room when one of her black hosts made a reference to a movie they happened to be watching which featured Ed Harris.

              As in, “what you say Jess ? You white Ed Harris lookin’ …”

              I grew up a minority white in a (vast) majority black school district, and ive heard /seen such statements hundreds of times.

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              • pspsst says:

                White apologist edumacation teaching young white girls to feel unworthy of their skin color and blonde-blue eyes. They’re supposed to put up with the put-downs. All list black actors are their heros and Morgan Freeman was in one if not several cop movies with Ed Harris. I find their bullytards to be mob action rather than one on one. It’s not enough just to tease one on one. They have to get the mob together. Someone here said she felt afraid just for going to M&M to check the place out and a pack of them loaded up into a car and followed her out.

                It’s the car thing with a mob inside that sticks. Probably loaded themselves into Jessica’s car and gave her no choice she wanted to go check on shoes, something.

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                • lastConservinIllinois? says:

                  Agree with several points here psp,
                  Not least your “mob action rather than one on one” – you know of which You speak.

                  By and large these militant people are cowards, thus the need to travel in packs and seek affirmation from each other.

                  Feral is too positive a word to describe people like this.

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                • pspsst says:

                  They’re animals true, but worse than feral.

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              • ghetto-lothario says:

                I’m a first time poster here (long time lurker). I looked into the Ed Harris angle a few weeks back, and found a lot of relevant info, but I figured it had been hashed out here in some of the threads I missed. But here it is brought up again today. So …

                Ed Harris was a member of the Vice Lords in the Minneapolis area who was murdered by other Vice Lords in 1992, on the (supposedly) mistaken belief that he was a “snitch” in a case involving VLs targeting and killing a police officer. Harris became a known figure in the Vice Lord mythology as a symbol of a snitch who deserved his fate of murder. The apparent references to JLC as “Ed Harris” fit with the VL mythos here. Gang members know the mythos well – especially those who have done time in prison, where the gang culture truly thrives. If the VLs in Panola County suspected JLC of anything remotely approaching “snitching,” then referring to her as “Ed Harris” implies she was a known target of VL retaliation, likely resulting in murder.

                I’m going to try to post a couple of links. If they don’t work or get modded for some reason, just Google “Ed Harris Vice Lords” and/or “State v. Flournoy Minnesota.”

                http://mn.gov/lawlib//archive/supct/9808/c6971761.htm

                http://articles.latimes.com/1993-05-12/news/mn-34410_1_police-officer

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                • angie says:

                  Thank-you, this is a good connection especially with the Vice Lords angle.

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                • jakeandcrew says:

                  Thank you! That’s great info!

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                • ghetto-lothario says:

                  Can anyone post screenshots of the “Ed Harris” posts on Facebook? I don’t remember who made the posts (a Rudd or Mista IIRC) but they appeared very early in the case, maybe even the day before JLC was murdered in which case whoever posted about “Ed Harris” and “God don’t make no mistakes” knew what was going down, when it was going down, and who the target was.

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                • jakeandcrew says:

                  I’m working on that right now. 🙂

                  I copied your post, in full, onto the current thread (Day #89) – don’t want it to get lost or overlooked.

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            • Meyer says:

              pspsst — just sharing as a FYI . . . . a new version of the movie Carrie came out in 2013.

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  15. pspsst says:

    (does happy dance. gooo guys!
    track em down the way they did to jess. yippeee)

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  16. 2+2 says:

    can you believe it…a 13 year old rapist? SMH 😦

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    • pspsst says:

      The messy ball of twine is starting to look better and better!

      I put shoes at Belks, Orford distinctly with the Rudds should the sales clerk be able to confirm a timeline of 6:45 instead of 7:45 pm. Say, purple twine. One group.

      When in the timeline from 5:30 to 6:30 do you think she went to Boss, and then possibly to Rudd’s? Maybe it was discussed and I missed it. Sometimes new comments get freed from their lonesome and I don’t spot it.

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  17. mrmorality says:

    My 2 cents (pure speculation): Jessica’s recent desire to ‘tell her story’, probably about her exposure to the Gangsta Disciples organized crime syndicate, was revealed in confidence to a female friend loyal to the gang. Word got back to either Jerrick or someone else and ultimately someone gave the order or Jerrick took it upon himself to silence her (maybe as a consequence for revealing secrets to her in the first place…i.e. Karma almost got him, but he got a heads up before it did). Jerrick is probably someone who was able to gain Jessica’s trust enough to coax her into meeting up at the crime scene, probably to facilitate an easy drug deal. Thoughts of an imminent profit probably motivated Jessica to fill up gas more generously than usual and even prompted a last minute decision to buy a new pack of cigarettes sooner than she normally would. She then stopped at Charlotte Wilkerson’s for 5-7 mins to score some drugs (Auntie Sha Sha looks like a crackhead). Jessica probably just told CW she needed it for a party, so as not to disclose her true intentions. This is probably what led to Sha Sha taking a mug shot while in questioning about the murder (confessing to the drug sale) and also probably what kept LE from disclosing the details about the 5-7 min. stop. They clearly have gone out of their way to avoid defaming Jessica in any way and rightfully so. Next, Jessica stops to clean out her car, in anticipation of conducting a transaction w/ a future passenger. Next, Jessica arrives at the crime scene and calls her mom while waiting for Jerrick, “the buyer”, to arrive. Jerrick arrives. Jessica ends the call w/ her mom. Jerrick approaches her driver side door and knocks her out instantly. Seeing her previously on the phone prompts him to remove the battery and throw it aside. He then opens her door, pushes her into the passenger seat and reverses the car as far off the road as possible (Jessica may have even already been reversed, to make for an easy exit upon closing the deal). He then grabs a gas can from his vehicle, approaches the passenger door of Jessica’s car and proceeds to spill fuel into the car. He lowers her seat all the way back, to create room to lean in and dump fuel into the back seat as well, and while pouring fuel on her, it obviously also flows into her mouth as she lays unconscious. He ignites the car into flames and drives off. She regains consciousness and exits the vehicle, only to hit the ground seconds later.

    Ali and Rudd (and even M&M gas station) are all pretty irrelevant in this case.

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    • 2+2 says:

      cigs were for her mom Lisa. Jessica had to be outside the car when set on fire or she would have already been dead from smoke and fume inhalation before they found her. She was probably unconscious on the ground when they doused her, that’s how it got in her mouth.

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      • judyw says:

        And how do we actually know anything was poured down her mouth? IIRC Ali said LE told him and Ben Chambers said doctors told him but that info was out before any doctor statements were made. At the point this was was disclosed, would that info not have to come from someone who actually witnessed it or did it? That is a question that’s been coming up for me a lot lately as we are looking from a broader more general perspective. Would appreciate some clarification of the origin of this “pouring it down her mouth”.

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        • alkikila says:

          Accelerate down the throat and nose has not been confirmed by authorities. It may very well not be true.

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        • Not based in fact…this is based of off statements from people not on the scene of the crime, as far as I know. It has been discussed at length at various times on this site. Basically here say accounts. Doesn’t mean it’s not true, just can’t be eliminated or proven.

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        • 2+2 says:

          Agree. Except IIRC Ben’s first statement about it didn’t say doctors told him.
          But the rest of it, just like nunu suggs asking “how she got out the car?” How did she KNOW Jessica was found outside the car? Or was she expecting to see dead burned jessica in the pix Ali took? All those people know things from perps texts and messages that wasn’t on FB.

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  18. jnorth says:

    Videos on Teanna page show Brejuan smoking pot with the baby under his face. If the police were smart they would get the correct authorities involved to remove the child being housed while illegal activity goes on. Could be a win win to do so. Child no longer harmed and pressure placed on TR.

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  19. jnorth says:

    http://www.redbox.com/movies/kiosk/28997
    “As above So Below”
    Red Box Walgreens Batesville Ms

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  20. alkikila says:

    If Jessica made the 911 call, it wasn’t her phone they allegedly picked up a few days later and she wasn’t on fire at the time or she would have been dead by the time FD arrived. If she gave the “ick” name it must have been on the 911 call and wasn’t coherent due to head wound. Regardless of who made the 911 call she was not on fire at the time. I don’t see how she lived as long as she did if accelerant was used on her. Her clothes alone (if she had them on) would be enough to do the damage.

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    • 2+2 says:

      we know it wasn’t her phone that was picked up. we know they had the phone 12/7 because that’s the reason they picked up Charlotte, her name and number were in Jessica’s phone. All CNN reported was a SOP picked up 2 things on the side of the road and put them in a bag, nobody official ever said it was phone and battery. That was FB and Twitter gossip.

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    • 2+2 says:

      Also LE refuted the “walking down the road on fire” story. One LE story does say “she approached them” and another say “she was found” near her car. But not on fire, just burned and unrecognizable. Family says they were told she said her name to EMT’s and that’s how they recognized her, and it scared them when she spoke.

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