Uptick – Russian Troops Firing Artillery Rounds Against Ukraine Military – State Dept. Says U.S. Has Evidence…

Not Russian backed separatists, actual Russian troops – inside Russia – firing into Ukraine to support the separatists.

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VIA STATE DEPT – The United States has evidence that Russian troops are firing artillery from inside Russia on Ukrainian military positions, a US official alleged Thursday.

Moscow is also planning to “deliver heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers” to the pro-Russian separatist forces in Ukraine, US deputy State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said.

The evidence was based on “intelligence information” that since the shooting down of a Malaysian airliner with the loss of 298 lives arms were “continuing to flow across the border” into Ukraine, Harf said, but she refused to reveal US sources or give further information.

“They’re firing artillery from within Russia to attack Ukranian military,” Harf told reporters.  (read more)

 

 

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48 Responses to Uptick – Russian Troops Firing Artillery Rounds Against Ukraine Military – State Dept. Says U.S. Has Evidence…

  1. John Galt says:

    Maybe Zero needs to draw another red line or tweet something.

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    • Shibbity Boo says:

      #BringOutOurDead

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      • Midwest Larry says:

        Actually, I think the Globalist Empire must die in order for America to survive. The fight in Ukraine appears to be our oligarchs against their oligarchs.

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    • chiavarm says:

      Love that line. great commet

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    • BertDilbert says:

      My democratic congress woman put out an e mail survey as to whether Russia should be held responsible for the downing of MH17. IMO she is feeling out the political winds for the Obama administration. Damn the evidence, Obama will go with public opinion.

      So far a lot of claims have been debunked. .

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      • BertDilbert says:

        OMG “we have evidence” but will not deliver said evidence. This is just propaganda from the Obama administration. Based on the administration track record it is not worth printing as a headline.

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    • partyzantski says:

      Maybe what he has in mind is what Bugs Bunny did to Yosemite Sam in this classic:

      One can always hope.

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  2. And Obama and crew are doing what ?

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  3. Aslan's Girl says:

    Think maybe the US absolved Russia “DIRECTLY” shooting down MH17 a little too soon?

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  4. doodahdaze says:

    No Fly Zone next?

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  5. czarowniczy says:

    F’n wow – a resurgent Russia flaunts international conventions and invades a sovereign country (yes, again) with a Coke smack between the hatches on the reactive armor. You tell me this ain’t an all new world (same old Russia but under new management).
    On a more serious aside – why should Russia worry – it’s after the elections, the POtuS has more flexibility, Russia can go about destroying democracy in its old Bloc countries while Russia’s soul brother, our own Koranic Kommunist Klown, does it here.
    We can’t stop millions of ILLEGAL (not undocumented) ILLEGAL alines from ILLEGALLY flooding across our internationally recognized sovereign borders – HTF are we going to do it with a country few here really give a rat’s butt about and can’t find on a map? If we had a president instead of a petulant 60s-era black manchild we might, and I stress might, have a chance. We had USSR expansion under a weak Democrat Carter – we had the implosion of the USSR under Reagan. We had China as a check to Russian expansionism under Bush I and both China and Russia reconstituting their international adventurism (arguably with US assistance) under Clinton. Under Bush II we projected enough old fashioned US bravado to keep the Russians in check – now we have the K-Y Kid letting any old dusty Communist-lite ruin rampant while he tries to terrorform Los Estados Unidos into a rainbow coalition centered on the far-red end of the spectrum.
    As much as we’d like to do something to help the Ukraine they are screwed and we are being told to put on lipstick and high heels. I’m waiting for Putin to start nibbling at areas like the Balkans and Baltic states. He’ll get them back as his shirtless bro has so muddied the waters here we won’t be able to respond to some of our own coming problems, never mind ones half a world away. On the bright side I can’t wait to see what will happen when Putin or his suck-sessor tries to take a bite out of Poland and the Czechs – I’ll dust of my old AK, pack up my TA-50, top-off with Celebrex and gladly pay my own way to the front. My family’s got a long tradition of reducing the Russian aggressive bent and I would be honored to continue it.

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    • maryfrommarin says:

      And we’ll have your back, czar.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        Thanks, with this Administration that’s a necsssity

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        • partyzantski says:

          Think of it this way… politically, the only SAPI armor plate you will need is the one for your back. Cuts the soldier’s load in half.
          For those interested, a classic book

          Often read, oftener ignored as you get piles of moar “lightweight” stuff. The guys who have it the worst are mortarmen and machine gunners. Man as pack animule. And insurgents dance in the sand, burdened only by AK47s, sandals and not much else.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      It will take 100 years to undo the damage is is inflicting. If we can. otherwise it will be the New Dark Ages. One small step for Obama….One giant bus plunge for mankind.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        Thought I’d post this clip of the POtuS’s crack domestic policy team meeting on the border crisis. Yes, for those of you who remember, yes, they do look a lot like his crack foreign policy.

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    • lovemygirl says:

      It is always entertaining to read your posts.

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    • You sure do have a way with words, czar. It’s patriotic of you, but don’t go. We need you to stay here and fight……with us.

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    • partyzantski says:

      Czar,

      Where do I sign up for that good deal? The baked pierogies are fabulous in Poland. That, and it is the original home of wodka. What’s not to like?

      The spirit of Pilsudski & Sikorski lives on. May be time for “Miracle on the Vistula 2″…

      http://www.ibtimes.com/miracle-vistula-turning-point-refused-turn-725675

      There is more than a little ring of familiarity to the Polish-Soviet war of 1919-1921. Those not passingly familiar will enjoy the light of the human spirit in the short article at the link.
      Sto Lat! (sung to the sound of emptying beer)

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      • partyzantski says:

        Oh… for the uninitiated:
        Sto Lat, a Polish cultural touch stone… the song-
        [audio src="http://www.polishamericancenter.org/Sto_Lat.mp3" /]

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      • czarowniczy says:

        Back to my grandfather story. He was a hard-liquor drinker and back in the 50s when my Dad was working on the City Under the Ice in Greenland Seagrams gave them all a bottle each of Crown Royal. At that time Crown was only given to dealers and special people, there wasn’t a huge fire hose production as there was later so my Dad brought it home to share with my grandfather. They sat down, my Dad unwraps the box and opens the velvet bag, pours a straight shot for each of them and woof – they down it. My Dda asks my grandfather what he thought of this fine, rare, aged whiskey – my grandfather nods and says ‘It’s OK’. M Dad was taken aback and asked his what was wrong, to wit he replied: “It doesn’t burn going down.” NA ZDROWIE!

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        • partyzantski says:

          czar,
          True that!
          Spie schwatko, I have to call it a night.

          City under the ice? Greenland? Do you mean this?:

          http://rijmenants.blogspot.com/2013/10/camp-century-greenland-going-nuclear.html

          Dirk’s website can lead you down some very interesting, technical paths. The story about the windscale disaster is well done.

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          • czarowniczy says:

            The US government started before that, the air bases that had been first constructed during WW II were enlarged, improved and updated. There were plans to locate strategic bombers up there, or at least have alternate bases ready, but the advent of ICBMs and missile-firing subs made the entire concept obsolete. Thule, Narsarsuaq, Sondrestrom – lost to history now but Gander in Newfoundland is still in operation.

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    • partyzantski says:

      Reference note: the reactive armor are all those blocky things on the surface of the tank. Russians call them “kostecki”, or dice. How original.

      The basic principle is that they detonate when a warhead hits the specific part of the tank protected by a block of reactive armor. That disrupts the munroe effect jet from RPG like things. I’d hate to be supporting infantry around a tank that had its reactive armor go off. Nasty stuff.

      The tank shown I think is a T-90S.
      http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/T-90S.htm

      Interesting that there is no thermal sleeve on the barrel. Hatches open the right way…
      Russkie tanks are of a different philosophy than western tanks… they are more all purpose, anti-infantry or things in the open, less focused on superior protection, although the T-90 is not bad at that. The amount of gear stored at the back of the turret indicates that they may plan to be in the field for a while. Since they are lounging out on the top, not buttoned up, the pic is from a rear area or a place that they have little to be concerned about.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        Yeah, Ruskies use smooth-bores and, with stolen Western aiming equipment, can do some damage. That said, movement in 1st world armies is now away from tanks as they are heavy, slow down the troop advance and make great targets. US is still looking at, more agile, lighter, cheaper and smaller hi-tech tank destroyer types that would protect advancing troops by zapping armor the other aerial and ground-based anti-armor assets miss. 60 tons is a lot of steel to be pushing around, eats lots of fuel and is an outstanding standout target. You are at the limits of effective tank armor now, and within a short amount of time after the ‘armor’ for the armor’s released the rear echelon geeks are out there working on new and exciting ways to defeat it. My guys used to defeat advancing armor with trenching and thick dishwasher soap/used oil under the right conditions – I hate armor.

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        • partyzantski says:

          Looks like the Iraqis are not doing so well with our Abrams tanks…
          http://www.asiandefencenews.com/2014/06/iraqi-abrams-losses.html
          I saw one once that was burned down to the hull. Ugly business.

          You are right on that the mass of tanks has reached an upper limit where they may still be useful in combat. 60-70 some odd tons is a lot and creates insane logistic issues (fuel, parts, maintainers).

          I just do not see the U.S. going for smaller tanks, though. Force protection issues drive a lot of it, as do industrial capabilities. We have far more tanks than the Army wants or needs, they are built to keep military industrial production base alive (hello; Lima, Ohio).

          The coolest alternative tank design out there is the Swedish S-Tank http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stridsvagn_103
          The Rooskies have on the drawing board the T-95 (not produced) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-95

          For anyone in the area, if you want to see a cool museum and have all day… check out the Aberdeen Proving Ground museum (in Maryland). If you are looking for it, they probably have it.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        BTW, Rooskies stole a lot of their armor from the West, especially, Israel after the IDF developed certain simple non-reactive junkyard fixes to defeat Soviet AT weapons provided to the Usual Sandy Suspects. Reactive armor, just as stealth technology, was developed by Russian engineers and basically abandoned for years until other picked up the research and ran with it. Lots of Russian engineering/technology really, really, REALLY sucked as their government micromanaged schools and educational outcomes from kindergarten to grad schools. Whew, glad that will never happen here. Reactive armor also works well on AT solid penetrators too though the now-defunct neutron bomb made all armor sort of useless.

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    • mikeH says:

      Russia didn’t invade anything. Crimea was Russian and elected to stay Russian after the coup in Kiev.

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  6. William Eddy says:

    I’m not taking sides but what should President Obama do? 🙂

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    • John Galt says:

      Arm, aid and abet Sunni terrorists to create an Islamic hell hole fuster cluck on Russia’s door step? Oh, wait, he already did that.

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    • partyzantski says:

      If he had hair ONE, he’d instantly go full on arming and supporting the living daylights out of the Poles, the Baltic Republics, Finland, Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, Romania… my apologies to any I have left off the list here. Geography is destiny, Russkie hordes would have to cross Poland (amazing tank country) and other places, like the Fulda Gap. Notice I left ISIS off the list… it is a crime against humanity that the tax donkeys of America ever were coerced and cajoled into funding them.

      Mr. pResident, arm our friends to the teeth, or fold your tent. If the only people that you will use harsh rhetoric on are American citizens, then it is easy to diagnose your problem.

      Arm and support America’s traditional allies now, or what lurks around the corner is going to take what is left of the free world’s lunch money for the next hundred years or more.

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  7. lovemygirl says:

    Oh great, Marie Harf is speaking for the US. I’m just going to head for the bomb shelter now since I have so much faith in her words.

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  8. nyetneetot says:

    I’ve observed almost every accusation leveled by Ukraine and subsequent AP story disappear or get walked back after 4-7 days. This “proof” by intelligence information = press release.
    Now that is not to say Russia isn’t taking advantage of the situation to further their own national agenda, but I’m less likely too believe anything our state department puts out than Putin himself at this point. I still don’t know what is going on over there, but anything in English media I can almost guaranty isn’t close to the truth.
    I notice that there is a lot of criticism toward Russia moving troops to the border shared with Ukraine. Is that because we won’t move troops to our Southern border to protect our citizens from the shooting war in Mexico? I’m just wondering.

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  9. tommy boy says:

    Remember when we admitted to supplying anti-air weapons to the Afghanis in the 70’s/80’s?

    Hollywood even made a movie glorifying it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/

    Does anyone think this is wrong for the Russians to be doing?

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  10. mikeH says:

    I have been saying for a week that the Ukie Nazi regime was capable of this. I said that you all should not rush to judge yet and said that you have been very good at detecting and avoiding domestic political snow jobs that the pattern of the press of MH17 should raise the same hairs on the back if the neck.

    Now we have a trial balloon that it was a Ukie air defense exercise that was responsible. Maybe this is why the Ukie parliament collapsed yesterday.

    http://en.ria.ru/world/20140725/191242509/Ukrainian-Air-Defense-Exercises-Might-be-Behind-Malaysian.html

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