Thread #3 – Day 17 (Week #4) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread

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Today, July 2nd, is DAY #17 (of 4th week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case.

Today Detective Chris Serino will be back on the stand. [Yesterday ended] on the stand with Chris Serino, who was the lead investigator for the Sanford Police Department on the Trayyvon Martin shooting. Defense counsel Mark O’Mara led cross-examination with his usual consummate skill, obtaining responses from this witness–remember, the State’s witness–that all but completely guts the State’s charge in this case.

Among the key revelations so far: Zimmerman was always completely cooperative, open, and straightforward with all the police investigators over many weeks of multiple interviews, both in person at the police station and phone. The sense given is that Zimmerman demonstrated endless patience. (continue reading summary)

Four Live Stream Links:

http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-livestream/

http://wildabouttrial.com/george-zimmerman-live-stream.html

http://livewire.wesh.com/

http://www.clickorlando.com/

Here are some additional *possible* Links to the Hearing:

Hat Tip Rumpole for the list.
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762 Responses to Thread #3 – Day 17 (Week #4) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread

  1. tara says:

    SO how does this support the charge of second degree murder? George took some classes because he wanted to go into the criminal justice field. And this caused him to murder someone? Do criminal justice majors have a propensity toward committing murder?

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    • AdukeLAXobserver says:

      Do criminal justice majors have no right to self defense.

      Also Zimmerman isn’t claiming “stand your ground”. Why is his knowledge of that law or lack there of even a issue.

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  2. Jeff B. says:

    So the lesson taught today kids is that if you go to College and better yourself in the community that will be held against you but if you do drugs, steal, rob, vandelize and lie then you don’t get punished… this is FUCKING JOKE

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  3. arkansasmimi says:

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  4. partyof0 says:

    That idiot Judge is explaining to the defense what the prosecution is trying to do….MAKE A NOTE OF THAT…

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  5. Stormy says:

    Let’s enter Trayvon’s school work into this, too…. what? there is NO school work… What? he was truant for 53 days? What was he doing… was he home “sick” … let’s ask his mother, she’ll know… *no limit n*gger’s twitter about being in “homeroom” when he was at home in his room

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  6. GURKADIN says:

    state of mind

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  7. twolaneflash says:

    Will the judge allow GZ’s priest to testify against him as to how he tried to teach GZ that killing is wrong, but George just wouldn’t listen? Then GZ pursued his bloodlust by, OMG, taking criminal justice courses, which anybody knows, is just, well, CRIMINAL!! Right, Judge? Right?

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  8. maggiemoowho says:

    Judge is 100%pro state. She even speaks for them.

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  9. rejoicenhim says:

    Learning gun laws in Florida (Stand your ground) makes you depraved.

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  10. nivico says:

    so the defense’s theory gets the same consideration from nelson and brings TM’s records in

    doubtful

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  11. Jeff B. says:

    Someone please tell me that Judge Nelson will lose her seat on the bench after this trial… I really hope there are judges watching this trial commenting on all the bias and intentional errors by the Judge Nelson…

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  12. nivico says:

    30 minutes to find case law?

    BDLR has consistently been given overnight and entire weekend to research case law

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    • arkansasmimi says:

      And I hope they find some good stuff tonight too! So then will she have to go back and read what anyone found ..

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  13. partyof0 says:

    She is JUST TOO nice …isn’t she….you can take 30 minutes to find something for me to overrule…

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  14. nivico says:

    having “access” to does not prove he did in fact ‘access’ it

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  15. maggiemoowho says:

    We all have access to all information, are you kidding me. That doesn’t mean he used that access.

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  16. AdukeLAXobserver says:

    You got 30 minutes. Then I rule against you.

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  17. nivico says:

    pay attention… he said the date it was ‘resolved’

    when was it submitted is the date that is relevant, applications are kept on file for many years

    Meaning it was not recent enough to be admitted into evidence

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    • nivico says:

      I’m basing my impression on the fact that if the date his application was submitted was within the legal boundaries of admissibility, they would have stated that date…

      …they didn’t.

      We also already know that GZ was living in Florida in 2009, so his application for a job in VA was likely many years ago when he lived there.

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    • arkansasmimi says:

      His brother said it was denied because he had had a bankruptcy

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    • Stormy says:

      He was very careful to say RESOLVED, wasn’t he?

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  18. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    The ends justify the means. I hope it will end up biting the prosecution where the sun don’t shine.

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  19. rejoicenhim says:

    Are they calling anymore witnesses today?

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  20. yankeeintx says:

    I was hoping we would get to Sybrina today. I guess she is going to have to run out and get another new “testifying” outfit for tomorrow. She can get the foundation to pay for it because she is just seeking Justice for Trayvon!

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  21. gannasview says:

    I studied home economics. I guess that makes me expect in cooking. My daughter will be shocked to learn that!

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  22. bella says:

    I have Stephen Hawking’s A brief history of time at home, does that mean I am an a Theoretical Cosmologist

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  23. talking2much says:

    When SYG was signed into law, it was all over the newspapers, anyone interested had no problem finding info. also, as a paralegal, I learned criminal law and procedure, I guess all paralegals are ticking time bombes.

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    • yankeeintx says:

      I hope you never have to use self-defense as a way of saving your own life. They would have to paint you as evil for having such an education.

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  24. Josh says:

    Schaffer says SYG does not show up in the textbook – no way to prove it was taught.

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    • nivico says:

      SYG was specifically listed in the index of the other textbook

      They entered two textbooks into evidence.

      Only page number was cited for SYG, though, so it was mentioned only briefly… not in great detail. My own textbooks only mention it as “SYG” once as part of a list of nicknames used to describe the law. “Shoot the Avon Lady” law was another nickname it was cited as.

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    • AdukeLAXobserver says:

      But that doesn’t matter in a Nelson courtroom. She doesn’t care if she gets slapped down on appeals. She isn’t the one going to jail. It’s all about getting that verdict for Bernie.

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  25. partyof0 says:

    So are Police Officers suppose to know as much about stand your ground as lawyers?

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  26. Josh says:

    Schaffer says Nelson ONLY concerned about BOTH sides getting a fair trial.

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    • AdukeLAXobserver says:

      And fair to Nelson would be anything and everything coming in about George. And not one bad thing about Trayvon.

      The sad part is it seem like the defense is willing to play by some Marquess of Queensberry rules and have this case be about what happened that night. But the state wants to play dirty. And they know the defense is shackled by Nelson and can’t fight fire with fire. Nelson should have told both sides either you both play clean or you both get to play dirty. But she is too corrupt to let Zimmerman get a fair trial.

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  27. TB High T says:

    heaven forbid any of us read a single page of Mein Kampf and try to run for political office… BDLR would assume we are out to take over the world and persecute millions of people.

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  28. arkansasmimi says:

    Woo hoo Beth Karas!

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  29. partyof0 says:

    The “New Law ” will be called “Stand and Ground” after this

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  30. arkansasmimi says:

    LMAO but TrayMom chewed and grinded her cud

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  31. talking2much says:

    I wish Obama’s reading list would have been vetted as well as GZ’s is.

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  32. kinthenorthwest says:

    My prediction is that within two hours of the verdict Stanford will be burning…

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  33. partyof0 says:

    Judge Nelson…I know the State needs help…But I didn’t think you were supposed to give it to them AND also ARGUE for them with the defense.

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  34. arkansasmimi says:

    Hmmmm Someone tweeted earlier she was there after lunch… SO is this real or not (article) guess someone will be looking into lol
    https://twitter.com/WPLGZimmerman/status/352158050980868096

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  35. nivico says:

    do we need more time?

    Nelson got slapped down during recess

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  36. nivico says:

    crump being deposed at 5:30 tonight?

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  37. arkansasmimi says:

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  38. twolaneflash says:

    I like the way the latent print expert stretches her qualifications: “just under 3 years” not “just over 2 years”. Business Management BS used to be called a secretarial course, then the degree explosion gave everybody one.

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    • nivico says:

      Latent print examination is actually a fairly simple process…

      It’s kinda like those seek n find games in the sunday comics…

      put two prints side by side (latent print / known exemplar) and see if they have identical ridge detail or not (same ridge details or minutiae [dots, lines, bifurcations, ending lines, etc] in the same location and formation = match)

      300 training hours is more than sufficient experience…

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  39. twolaneflash says:

    I’ve heard lawyers call fingerprint evidence pixie dust: puffery without proof.

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  40. fred12 says:

    The prosecution called her so she could say that there weren’t fingerprints? I don’t understand.

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  41. gulfbreeze says:

    Re: GZ’s study of self-defense and SYG law, and GZ’s concealed carry weapon permit

    To get a CCW permit in FL you have to take a class. I’m assuming the curriculum is standardized across different schools (at least the core would be…after all, would you want every CCW permit holder being taught something different?).

    In my class, about 1-1.5 hours was spent doing one thing….reading the applicable statutes relevant to self defense and SYG, and discussing it.

    So I have to wonder about the significance of GZ’s taking college level courses about self-defense law beyond that. Now study of law enforcement methods/policies, that’s different.

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    • gulfbreeze says:

      My point is, if you have a CCW permit, you have studied the law. Certainly, a college level class might go more in depth, but a CCW permit holder’s knowledge of the law should be assumed.

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  42. tara says:

    I read Don West’s body language as disgust while they are all chatting with Nelson. I hope I’m wrong.

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  43. lovemygirl says:

    Are their any hints of what they are even discussing?

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  44. arkansasmimi says:

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  45. maggiemoowho says:

    Mantei is the one who filed the complaint about the Ice Cream Pic, guess we shouldn’t be suprised.

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  46. rejoicenhim says:

    I thought we were going to watch the deposition of Crump?

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  47. Amanda says:

    I’ve been following since the beginning and even have watched the sunrise while perusing this site. It’s nice to know there are intelligent people out there that can discuss case. I’m a first time poster….so be gentle!!!!

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  48. clash108 says:

    If they do bring in a Z criminal justice professor, the defense should point out that Z didn’t lawyer up immediately, Isn’t that one of the first things you learn in one of those classes: not to speak with LE unless you have a lawyer? Seems the state thinks George was smart enough come up with a perfect self-defense after being beaten to a pulp, but forgot that more important one.

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  49. phrydoom says:

    Dershowitz, Toobin, Cevallos, NeJame and Mark Geragos are all watching a different trial than Sunny Hostin…she’s delusional

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