The audio quality improves after about 6 minutes:
WE LEARNED SOME INTERESTING THINGS TODAY…
1) Wit 8 supposedly had help writing the ‘Trevon’ letter (or is this possibly just a lie to explain why the handwriting is not going to match her own if its authenticity is questioned?)
2) Sybrina supposedly withheld this letter because she mistakenly thought the young lady’s affidavit was a personal letter to her (is there anything TM’s family hasn’t attempted to conceal?)
3) The ping logs could potentially show that TM was not on foot (and therefore not alone)
4) It slipped BDLR’s mind for six months to mention that Wit 8 confessed to lying (Seriously… we’re supposed to believe he just ‘forgot’ to tell anyone. But, hey, if he did ‘forget’ to mention something that important in a murder trial he has no business being a prosecutor in the first place. Fire him!)
5) Oh yeah, and we received confirmation that there was no ‘enhanced’ or ‘cleaned up’ version of the 911 call that Tracy could have listened to after originally identifying the voice as NOT his son’s (more lies and propaganda from the Scheme Team)
6) While Judge Nelson might provide ready cover for attorneys, Sybrina, Tracy, and Dee Dee need to take note that she wasn’t as forgiving with the civies… she didn’t hesitate for a second to call what Wit 8 did a ‘lie’ (which gives me a slight bit of hope)
“2) Sybrina supposedly withheld this letter because she mistakenly thought the young lady’s affidavit was a personal letter to her…”
Is there anything anywhere that indicates Witness 8 considered it anything other than a personal letter to her?
“5) Oh yeah, and we received confirmation that there was no ‘enhanced’ or ‘cleaned up’ version of the 911 call…”
What we actually received was confirmation that the prosecution does not know of a “cleaned up” version.
Not that I think there is one (being that I am disinclined to think of Crump as an expert on audio, among a number of other reasons), but the prosecution not knowing about it is not absolute proof that one does not exist.
2) If she handed her the letter in person why even write it in the first place? Did they say if it was mailed or hand delivered?
The state said it was a letter given to Sybrina. The fact that it is now in Sybrina’s possession is used to give the impression that it was intended for Sybrina in the first place. Granted, that is the logical conclusion, but there is nothing on the written statement to indicate Sybrina was the intended recipient of the written statement. We don’t know the real reason it was composed, who suggested it be composed, or how it was used after it was composed.
It did not seem like a sympathy note or anything. No I am sorry for your loss etc.
“What we actually received was confirmation that the prosecution does not know of a “cleaned up” version.”
The whole ‘smoke n mirrors’ speech given by the Three Stooges at the post-hearing presser pretty much confirmed that there was no enhanced recording.
They’re trying to squirm their way out of the lie by now claiming they ‘thought’ it sounded better.
“they ‘thought’ it sounded better.” Ha, ha, ha. I am glad you pointed that out. I missed that. I think yu are right. Ha, ha, ha 🙂
What, you don’t defer to Crump’s expertise on all matters audio?
Can’t imagine why not.
Unitron, in the post hearing interview with Benjamin Crump he told the media there wasn’t any “cleaned up” or better recording. Instead he claimed the computer in Mayor Tripletts offices had better sound quality than the Sanford PD (w/ Serino), and therefore Tracy was able to change his position and identify the cries for help as Trayvon’s.
Is that when Sybrina heard it too.
Yes, on Friday March 16th 2012. This was reported as the first time Sybrina heard the calls. The Scheme team, including Julison, exited the mayors office with 6 copies in hand – one of which was handed directly to Matt Gutman who was waiting outside. He filed his report that night…. another “exclusive”.
Did any of the press ask Crump a follow-up question about that containg perhaps the phrase “previously mis-spoke”?
If I recall correctly, Nat Jack made a statement to the effect that they would not address the matter any further…
My take away from that presser is that they’d like for us to believe their lies are irrelevant and have nothing to do with the night of 2/26 and we should all just forgive and forget and move along.
Yes. However, the media follow ups were all about the financial incentives (HOA Settlement) as a motive for Tracy to change opinion…..
My understanding is that they were questioned seperately about screams with TM going 1st stating “that’s not my son” when exiting for SF who was in hallway TM told of question about voice and Crump advised that is Trayvon. That is my understanding of events per Triplett
If this does go to trial, and testimony about the screams is allowed, I suspect that will be one of the most hotly disputed issues in court.. interesting, at least.
That is 3 hours and 11 minutes but it sounds like it ends with the court taking lunch break. Was there more after this?
no. they took a lunch break before a private meeting with judge, defense, and prosecutor.
Thanks. I stayed up until 4AM to watch it all. What is MOM talking about this is going to require so much time in court? Nelson never allowed him to reveal what it was?
Just watched part of the hearing and seeing Robert sitting directly behind Crump and Critters made me actually laugh out loud!! WAY TO GO ROBERT!!!! Keep up the pressure….I think hearing NATJACK shrieking at the press conference that followed is a clear indication your psychological warfare is working. 😉
God I love Robert he is so smart. even when I despair because of O’Mara’s arrogance and stupidity , I realize that it ain’t over till it’s over and it’s still not over. robert is the fighter for his gentle and naive family
Rapid Robert has chutzpah .
If NAT jack is screaming that means things are not going well at happy acres. black female Terrista tactics. Scream loudly it avoids having to use logic and reason. try to intimidate the opposition with hysteronics and hopefully this will make you look important because you are supposedly impassioned with the virtue of her cause. One wonders if she is ever going to wake up to the fact that so many people are laughing at her.
The reporters didn’t even know who she was, lol… they were like, and um, exactly who are you again?
The whole lot of them didn’t seem too happy at all with the “cleaned up” narrative being exposed as yet another lie from the Scheme Team… and the press didn’t seem to be very sympathetic or willing to blindly accept their excuses this time around. As someone else so aptly described it, there’s blood in the water and the sharks are beginning to circle.
I can hardly wait
Flaladybug: I agree great job Robert ! Sometimes you don’t have to say a word to get your point across , just one look will say it all….. 😀
Oh, snap! Somebody got her hair did!!!
Ok, that is about as naughty as I am going to get.
Oh, you are really, really mean. LOL 🙂
Maybe I should not have said that. I feel really bad when I may have said something that isn’t nIce. For the most part, I try to abide by the “if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say nothing at all.” Problem with that is,my mouth doesn’t get much use with many people. :-0
Angel, you make me thing of my brother. He was always the sweetest, kindest, funniest person. His wife got obscene phone calls for about a year. She was terrified. They finally decided it was the man next door, but they couldn’t prove it. One day they were outside and the man spoke to my brother over the fence. My brother said he was so mad, he wanted to say something really, really hateful to this man. What he ended up saying was, “Don’t have a nice day” in an unfriendly voice. That was the best he could do.
auscitizenmom: it not easy but I try to remember this written by someone: “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” I rather keep quiet than add to another’s pain and burdens. I guess because of my own pains, which is been so much, I just don’t want to do it to someone else.
One of the reasons this case got to me is while I understand parents/family lost a loved one, GZ has to suffer to know it was caused by him, although, he did it to save his life. so this did not have to get to this point to add more suffering, and burdens to others. But we humans, collectively, seem to be good at doing this to each other.
One of my students once asked me, Ms. XXXXX, why is the world so means? I said, “I don’t know but I do know one thing, and that is you don’t have to be one more mean person in the world.
Some people in this world don’t make it easy, but I am trying.
Have a beautiful night! Lots to do before graduation this weekend 🙂
I was admiring you. My brother was a really great guy. Just in case there was any question. 🙂
“I was admiring you. My brother was a really great guy. Just in case there was any question. :)”
Since you said your brother was a really great guy, I am concluding that he is no longer present on earth and I am sorry about your loss. I bet greatness runs in the family though and he is still with you in the ways that count.
While I thank you for your compliment, I have my moments now and then. LOL! My friend calls it the Aries fire. But I really don’t bother anyone unless and until they really go out of their re way to hurt me and then it’s on.. But I still try not to diminish their humanity in doing so. Hate the sin but love and have compassion for the sinner. In cases like this GZ case with so many wrongs done to him, it is difficult to separate the two.
Pray daily 🙂
Angel : I thought you remembered the Scheme Teams tactics ……. distract , distract, distract….lol ! 😀 She’s trying to get everyone to look at her and think because she looks nice that she is nice…. but we know the ugly runs deep is that gal ! 👿
George Zimmerman needs to lose weight. I was shocked by his appearance.
Natalie Jackson needs to lose weight. I was shocked by her appearance.
Yeah, she looks like she has put on a lot of weight. Her face is much poofier.
Judge Nelson looks like she needs to lose weight. who did her hair the first ladies hairdressers(meow) George looked far better groomed and more with the program then she did. I bet that judge has a drawer full of Snickers bars
“I bet that judge has a drawer full of Snickers bars”
She aint the only one. Although my drawer is full of Hershey plain chocolate.
Stress-eating is a monster. About ready to admit, “I’m powerless over chocolate”
Let’s worry first about the fact that Judge Nelson looks like a DUDE. I’m so serious. She looks like she belongs in a sitcom or movie about a man trying to pose as a woman, but not putting any effort into it.
I saw that too. I love chocolate also
Trevor: After this case….. Hell I’m gonna have to lose some weight . Just sayin hes handling it a lot better than I would be able to. BIG HUG GZ !!!! 🙂
Me, too. 😦
It seems that Prosecution had a bit of a scam by the Martin Family retaining an attorney (Benjamin Crump). Now any evidence they wish to hide they can simply have him take responsibility for so prosecution can claim they did not have it, although it exists, they can claim they did not know it existed.Sort of laundering evidence through another attorney, which for some reason cannot be deposed.
When BDLR questioned West when West said this is 4 questions BDLR said I will make it\
simple for you in a very sarcist why. He should been sanctioned for that. Also MOM said to
Judge Nelson did you already make you decision while she objected to question he asked West. I am sure GZ team has a lot of chit they haven’t shown yet. Could be busdriver tape
or interview. Witness 8 who helped her write letter is going to be depositioned. I am
shocked if ABC did destroy tape of 25 minute interview. I am also laughing that Sybrana
hid the witness 8 letter in a bible, being the god fearing honest samartian that she is.
The way he asked West questions and would then immediately turn his back to him while West answered showed the utmost disrespect. Who else does that?
He thinks he is shrewd throwing questions out there as if they are “gothca” ones.. then goes ballistic when West calmly responds “No, you didn’t get me. I got you.”
What a circus. LOL.
I noticed him turning his back, too. I think he thinks that looks cool. It doesn’t. And, he would as 4 or 5 qustions at a time making it impossible to answer. West called him on that over and over. I thought West was really cool. Kinda like Clint Eastwood. I think I have a crush.
He rarely showed emotion except to sort of laugh at Bernie. He seemed amused. However, he calmly, methodically but emphatically answered all questions in a convincing, credible manner. I loved the way he handled what he considered to be withholding exculpatory evidence.
Clint Eastwood or Cool Hand Luke. Take your pick.
Keep in mind, too, that BDLR kept Wit 8’s confession under his hat for six months…
He had to have known that it was eventually going to come out, he could only ignore the defense requests for so long before he’d have to fess up, so what was his real reason for delaying the release of this evidence for so long?
Was there a little bit of you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours going on… clearly Crump and Co. wouldn’t have wanted this info to come out before they could prematurely settle with the HOA. And it didn’t…
I agree. That timing is no coincidence.
It also seemed like BDLR was making threats as a reply to hiding evidence. His response was not an answer to why these things were hidden, but rather a question back at West as to if the state should file sanctions back at them for what O’Mara has done. Sort of you bust me and I’ll bust you rather than simply answering the question.
I was thinking that he is the state. The defense is not. The role of the defense is to hold HIS feet to the fire. Not the other way around. He was complaining about how much money the state is spending. Amazing. This is a star chamber. In a perverted way.
If Crump is “opposing counsel” which the court has said, the evidence is being withheld. See 22 to 26 minute mark.
why would a grown 19 year old woman needed assistance in writing a one page note? Come on, if she is telling the truth, then why would she needed assistance at all? If she could not write in cursive, she could had typed the stupid thing. Her story of assistance is just pure fraud. That one page note is barely one complete page, but she needed help to write a half page of what she heard. Come on, O’Mara, he needs to jump on that like a hungry shark and take a big bite out of it. By the way, Bernie has the biggest case of selective amnesia in medical history. Being dd as the most important witness, how could he had forgotten about dd’s lies of hospital trip?
“why would a grown 19 year old woman needed assistance in writing a one page note? ”
Be fair, now. She was probably only 18 at the time.
Cause she gots lots of guilt. Real guilty.
She wouldn’t unless there were legal considerations at stake.
Oh, I want to see her on the witness stand sooooooo bad.
She is probably like a robot now pre programmed to say certain things. Crump has had plenty of time to prep her. I still don’t see how she can take the stand but it seems with this case anything can happen.
Maybe we will get a Perry Mason moment yet.
Little bit dripping water. Grass, huh you want that too.
I can picture it like that.
Mason, er, I mean West says, “Now, tell us the truth, the real truth young lady.”
Trayvon scared dis man be watchin him.
Hopefully O’Mara can catch her up with something unexpected, and we can sit and watch her look over to Crump for the answer. She doesn’t seem like the sharpest tool on the shelf, so I doubt she’ll be too difficult to trip up. Just do what Crump and Bernie did in her depo’s… take her rambling, clean it up to what you wanted to hear, and let her agree that is what she meant.
She’s a teenager it’s not hard to make them blow their top.
True don’t feel or deal well with pressure at all
Ain’t gonna happen, I am afraid. At least I do not think so. Would you be on the phone up to not more than two minutes before you attack someone? Wouldn’t you say, sorry no time now. I have to deal with something around here. Wouldn’t you need your attention to observe where the person went to and where best to ambush him? 😉
and she spelled her boyfriend’s name Trevon.
“and she spelled her boyfriend’s name Trevon.”
Now be fair, it might have been Francine that spelled it that way.
If DeeDee got a “scribe” to write her letters n’ stuff for her… does that mean DD is incapable of writing a simple note like that?
Seems she can’t speak and she can’t write.
Francine could be crump’s middle name or Natalie Jackson’s. Yes kids, a grown woman needs a help to compost a simple personal note. only nelson could buy that kind of bologna.
Don’t be surprised if the name Francine turns out to be a lie also. I have no doubt that she knows the full name of her friend, but giving it up would be snitching and rule one is Do Not Snitch. It’s just ridiculous. 😦
Right artist genius, wrong song.
“Nadine” works better.
Agreed, Maggie. Aside from anything else, “Francine” doesn’t seem the style of name to fit in with DeeDee’s social group – too conventional and westernized. Heck, any whitey can look at that name and know how it’s pronounced and whether the person so named is male or female, so what self-respecting AA is going to name their daughter Francine? Where’s the fun in that?
Liars just lie, even when they don’t have to.
Natalie Jackson’s Mom’s name is “FRANCIS”. Pretty close don’t ya think??
Maybe she was “unarmed.” 😉
More like “unmind”-ed.
I spoke to a rich uncle from my dad’s side and made me realize the whole point of a fund is designed to benefit the lawyers. At first, he was told that it would only cost him about 600 dollars to set up a fund under his name. He paid the lawyer the fees and then started putting the money into the fund. after a while, he realized that the lawyer was actually taking money away from the fund to pay his fees and basically had to hire another lawyer just to get his money back. after all of the law suits, he paid more money for litigations fees than what he paid into the fund. at the end, he basically had to drop the whole idea completely, but the lawyers walked away with most of the money he putted into the fund. The whole point of the story is to show that the martins will eventually end up completely emptied handed. It is true that their lawyers had capped their litigation costs at certain percentages of settlements, but I am sure that there is no cap for managing the trayvon martin fund. By having this fund, crump and park can basically bill the fund to pay off every trip that they accompanied the martins to any media event or when ever the martins mentioned the trayvon martin fund. this scam is brilliantly clever, but the lawyers will never inform their clients about the intricacies of their legal expenses. The whole martin fund is simply a stroke of genius for the scheme team. Basically, every thing they can not apply to the trayvon martin case can be bill as management fees for the trayvon martin fund. after all of the bills are paid for, the martins will end up broke as a mule.
Mules in horse harness
when is next hearing?
May 28, unless O’Mara gets the judge to agree to some earlier Saturday for some particular issue that he (O’Mara) thinks will take an entire hearing to handle.
I think this is about the scream. Although this whole shootin match makes me want to scream. He might be going to try and get the tcj to exclude expert testimony about the scream for help by George Z. IMO for the tcj to participate in this disaster of a prosecution is wrongheaded to start with. It should be stopped at this point. But the tcj seems to be rushing to trial asap.
I think the defense is building a case to exclude dd’s testimony. O’mara has stated many times in the past that all of the circumstances surrounding dd’s discovery can jeoporadize the faithfulness of her testimony. Now we learned about her assistance with a personal note. come on dd, she can not even write a simple note, but she expects us to believe that she rememberes every detail of a phone call she had 1 year ago.
She may be a great defense witness. Along with the LEO’S. Who could be a good state witness?
So he has to wait till May 28 12 days before trial to ask for a continuance Or could he file a motion before ?
He can file a motion any time. IIRC, the deadline for filing motions (other than what is referred to as motions in limine, pretrial evidentiary stuff) is May 10.
I think she may have extended that deadline but not sure.
In this case, I am okay with that.
It’s my hunch Natalie Jackson wrote that letter…. She and Sybrina were with DeeDee during the March 19th phone call…. (Crump, gutman, Tracy et al on the other side)
Jackson wrote that out. It has her flow and syntax too.
It could be one of the letters written to fit some of the earlier information given to the scheme team. the biggest mistake has to be trayvon meeting Zimmerman when he was on his way to the store. Then, dd suddenly changed her narrative again in the crump interview. Later on, dd also added some crap about hearing trayvon screaming get off, get off before the phone got shut off during the de la rionda interview. at this point, we have no idea what else did she added in her deposition, but it must be some thing having to do with Zimmerman running, waving a gun and screaming kkk rhetoric.
Do you think O’mara should depose Sybrina and Nat Jackson – and ask if they could provide a hand writing sample. Could they also deny having anything to do with the writhing of the letter. Or could they plead the 5th? Perhaps Bernie could assist with that issue.
Can’t really plead the 5th, there is no crime in being somebody’s scribe. The issue, if the state wanted to press charges (and no way would it press charges on these jokers) would be fabrication of evidence or making false statements. Whoever was the scribe for Witness 8 would throw Witness 8 under the bus.
I’m thinking they brought in Crystal Gail Mangum as an evidence creating documentary consultant. Assuming the timing was sync’d up with one of her bail periods….
mike nifong would be much better because he has the legal knowledge of how the system work.
I AGREE SD! AND I feel in my heart Nasty Nat is a very big part of that blog Dothprotest whatever it is. Just read that Alicia and Jav-whatever bro name is was deposed.
That was my first thought as well SD. I’d also wager that NatJack is representing her as well….if not yet….I’m guessing SOON!!! 😉
Just realized that NatJacks Moms name is…..FRANCIS. Just a coincidence?? 😉
Francis Oliver. I’ve written quite a bit about her.
So is it possible that Natalie(who are you)Jackson’s Mother helped Witness 8 write note?
And BDLR didnt know about this note till March 13. I think it is time to depo BDLR?
Do we know yet if DeeDee had a lawyer at the depo?
I think it was Nettes over at Dman, could be wrong, sorry if so, but there is an article where Nat Mom goe y 2 names! LOL It was posted over there yday.
The mystery unravels
I hope you all caught this part:
“This alleged criminal activity turned out to be for naught is that correct sir? Because we just deposed those witnesses in Miami and isn’t it true that the school board members said it was not a crime. This allegation about a weapon was not a weapon under their criteria isn’t that true?”
“Because we just deposed those witnesses in Miami…the school board members…”
All in the context of the M-DSPD stuff.
Now we have recently released depositions with witness names that are redacted, no doubt the Krop principle, Dunn, and other active M-DSPD in there as well.
The witness list contains no names seen regarding any school officials or M-DPSD.
There was a motion that if you did not pay attention to the very end of the hearing you would have missed. This motion was never posted on O’Mara’s site. Why? Because it’s a motion to inspect and photograph the evidence at the M-DSPD.
Here is the judges order regarding that motion:
Everything regarding the M-DSPD is being hidden from you by O’Mara. It has nothing to do with revealing strategy or keeping his cards close to his vest because Bernie has all this stuff and is part of the depositions. No. This is about keeping it from you.
Exactly. As I said before Mark O’Mara and Charles Hurley are SYMPATICO !
Of course the school board says it’s not criminal activity. The School Super is the one who has defined “criminal”…. Carvalho is in this up to his neck – there is no exit strategy for him.
This is absolutely infuriating. Why is O’Mara listing public officials i.e. M-DPSD officers and school personal as “Civilians”? So he can redact the names? This is dastardly. It’s truly sad that he doesn’t even want a hint in the public view that he has this stuff. God forbid it might disgrace the name of the black “victim” involved.
I’m standing right with ya bro. ! These scumbags are all in cahoots. Beyond infuriating is what it is….
…… people need to start asking themselves the easy question: Why hide this stuff.?
I’m down right sick of it! There is no excuse for this, NONE! I wonder how hesitant O’Mara is to even bother looking into Trayvon no different than the State did. It probably pains him to even look at the M-DPSD stuff.
good grief I did that a lot, anger must cause dyslexia lol
At my age, 66, this is common.
Because as MOM has stated, if he were not defending GZ, he would be on the same side as Chump discussing how the justice system treats black males.
I also found it interesting that MOM had a mild feakout when he accused the Judge of wanting to examine/probe his defense of GZ, when she wanted to determine if GZ knew he had the right to a pre-trial immunity hearing. MOM’s repeated “you can address that at the end of trial” was telling. Very telling.
And yes, MOM doesn’t want the whole M-DPSPD scam to gain a wider audience, because he agrees with the strategy and the intent.
Control junkie number 1
D-Man, it’s a righteous anger you are expressing.
Admin YTZ has repeatedly said why can’t people understand how MoM continues to show his reluctance to bring the full truth forth. She’s right. MoM already has blanket court orders to drag all this stuff into the sunlight from prior approvals/orders for record release, and yet……????
It took us 8 months of fighting to get the M-DSPD to release information, and then they only gave up the minimum amount we could *prove* existed.
O’Mara only needs to pick up the phone and fax a copy of the court order and he can get everything. You’ll note this current court order only follows the depositions you outlined. It’s like O’Mara himself is “slow walking” the stuff and then only doing it once it is forced to be noted as in existence.
Ironically, the same argument he makes about the State “slow walking” can be said about his own investigative choices to conceal.
It’s a righteous anger you feel brother. 😦
And, I am beyond disgusted with BDLR’s histronics about poor Mizz Fulton keeping her fake letter from her fake witness in her BIBLE. She kept it in her BIBLE, Don West!
The whole house of cards that the Scheme Team concocted based solely in emotion and pavlovian response to key concepts about “profiling” and “prejudice” should have fallen in on itself a long long time ago.
“IMO” (hi, Bernie!!) BDLR is quite accomplished at the art of lying by omission. He is a disgusting weasel and it sickens and angers me that I have to pay taxes to support his salary and now his supercalifragilisticexpialidocious double plused up taxpayer shakedown pension.
👿 👿 👿
I felt sandbagged. I was listening, and understood it to be a hearing on the sanctions for playing games with the discovery process. At about 2h52 mins in, Nelson states, “This is a Richardson Hearing”….. ??????
I am waiting for jello to respond because he has wanted a Richardson hearing for a long time but I do not think this is what he believes is supposed to happen.
Oh, my! What was I thinking. I just bought a Groupon for stay in Orlando, FL this summer at a fantastic price at nice resort for family. I wondered why it was such a bargain. Then I realized that this summer is the GZ trial down in that area. I need a refund 😦
Don’t panic yet. Orlando is a biiig place. Look on a map and check the location of your hotel compared to Sanford. But, I understand your concern.
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