I Will Remind Rand Paul Supporters Of This – Rand Paul Supports Successful Bid For Hagel to Take Over DoD

If Rand Paul runs for office in 2016 I will remind every one of his supporters of this decision….. until like the Paulbots they are left with nothing but spit.   Chuck Hagel is insufferably unqualified for Secretary of Defense.

WASHINGTON DC – Chuck Hagel won confirmation Tuesday to become defense secretary over objections to his views on Middle East security and the administration’s handling of an attack on a U.S. consulate in Libya.

On a 58 to 41 vote, the Senate confirmed the former GOP senator as four Republicans joined 54 Democrats in approving Hagel, ending a nearly two-month battle that included an unprecedented filibuster against the nominee.

The four Republican senators voting in favor were Thad Cochran (Miss.), Mike Johanns (Neb.), Richard C. Shelby (Ala.) and Rand Paul (Ky.). All 41 no votes came from Republicans.

The vote marked a foreign policy victory for President Obama, who pushed the nomination of his old friend from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee despite warnings of a rough confirmation process. Hagel, a former Army infantryman who was awarded two Purple Hearts during the Vietnam War, will become the first enlisted man to go on to lead the Pentagon.  (read more)

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28 Responses to I Will Remind Rand Paul Supporters Of This – Rand Paul Supports Successful Bid For Hagel to Take Over DoD

  1. justfactsplz says:

    I no, I was so hoping he wouldn’t be confirmed. We need to remember all four of these men when it comes time for re-election, folks.


  2. ctdar says:

    From the Washington Post article within Tgread:
    “While I think so highly of Senator Hagel and the work he did while he was in the Vietnam War, and he was in fact a hero, you look at these people and you say, what is their philosophy? He was one of only two [senators] that voted against sanctions for Iran, one of only four that voted against an effort to make the Iran Revolutionary Guard a terrorist group, to designate that,” said Inhofe, ranking Republican on the armed services panel. ”And one of only four that refused to sign a letter of solidarity with Israel.”
    Rand Paul?
    Unbelievable this guy is now US Sec. of Defense


  3. kadar2012 says:

    The way the country has been going for decades now, honestly, are any of them fully qualified?


  4. John Galt says:

    “Sen. Rand Paul told a group of New York conservatives he hasn’t decided whether to vote to confirm Chuck Hagel as Defense secretary but that he takes seriously the president’s prerogative to choose his political appointees.”

    President’s prerogative to choose? WTF?

    Article 2 Section 2 (not finding “prerogative to choose”)

    He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and CONSENT of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

    1. an exclusive right, privilege, etc., exercised by virtue of rank, office, or the like: the prerogatives of a senator.
    2. a right, privilege, etc., limited to a specific person or to persons of a particular category: It was the teacher’s prerogative to stop the discussion.
    3. a power, immunity, or the like restricted to a sovereign government or its representative: The royal prerogative exempts the king from taxation.
    4. Obsolete , precedence.
    5.having or exercising a prerogative.
    6.pertaining to, characteristic of, or existing by virtue of a prerogative.



  5. Coast says:

    There was no good reason for anyone to have voted “yes”. The Presidnet’s desire or perrogative means nothing. The reason bad policy happens, the reason bad legislation gets passed is because folks vote “yes”. It’s that simple. I like Rand Paul, but this was a mistake.


  6. Mike says:

    Amazing. You guys are ready to toss out 4 good Republican senators because they voted for Hagel?! Hagel failed to show complete and total dedication to another country besides the USA. How dare he. Doesn’t he know he was supposed to be the Secretary of Defense for Israel?

    I don’t know why you people are so obsessed with Israel. Most Israelis would be contemptuous of you and your knee jerk loyalty to a country other than your own

    Hagel also called a spade a spade when he flipped on the Iraq war. The war was a piece of garbage and it gave us Obama.

    We have far more internal threats than external threats.


    • michellc says:

      Maybe you missed his many comments about the United States and the military?
      Why are we obsessed with Israel? Maybe because Israel is/was our friend and they’re surrounded by countries filled with governments and people who not only want to harm Israel but us?


    • griz1234 says:

      Mike, do you want a nuclear war in the Middle East, possibly spreading world-wide?

      Because that is what we’re likely to get if we don’t continue to strongly support Israel’s right to exist.

      Do you think the Jews are going to allow themselves to be pushed into the sea? Desperate people do desperate things… Does the word “Masada” ring a bell? Add in about 200 nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them to major Islamic “holy” cities, and then DO THE MATH.

      You may not LIKE the Jews, but it’s a FACT that it’s the closest thing to a democracy there is in that neck of the woods, and the only quasi-reliable ally we’ve got… Whether or not we “owe” them for allowing the Holocaust to happen (I’d say NO, we had other concerns at the time) it’s not in our best interests to allow the Mad Mullahs and Islamo-fascists to believe we’d sit by and let them destroy Israel.

      You’re right in stating that we have far more internal threats than external. Four of those internal threats are those four “good” senators. Since the current crop of GOP politicians has repeatedly demonstrated they can’t be depended upon to actually STAND UP AND FIGHT, it’s time for GOP voters to accept that it’s time to focus on removing the Roves and the RINOs no matter what the short-term political costs are.

      If the GOP is going to cave on every important issue, what’s the point of even supporting them? When Hagel turns out to be as epic a failure as conservatives expect, guess what will be trumpeted in the press? HE WAS CONFIRMED WITH BI-PARTISAN SUPPORT.


    • sundance says:

      Paulbot !

      You can usually spot them within their first few sentences.

      … and for the record – my opinion of Chuck Hagel has far more attached to it than his position on Israel. He is, quite simply, inept, in many ways. As previously outlined:



    • LittleLaughter says:

      “I (God) will bless those who bless Israel and will curse those who curse you.” Gen 12:3
      The day that America turns its back on Israel is the day God turns his back on America. While this may mean nothing to you; it does to those of us who are absolutely secure in our faith.


    • 22tula says:

      Mike – Rewind
      “Rand Paul: A Jeremiah Wright Republican”
      By Jenn Q. Public – May 12, 2010

      “Hagel: Israel An Apartheid State”
      By Matthew Vadum – February 20, 2013

      “More on Hagel’s Al Jazeera and Arab Connections”
      By Cliff Kincaid


  7. Sharon says:

    At some point, even our hate-filled enemies on the international scene must have to stop laughing and just look at one another and shake their heads. It will soon occur to them that the US is no longer any kind of threat to any one, including their own worst enemies, and that the US is no longer any kind of stabilizing factor. And the US is no longer any kind of resource for anything good, resources that they have drawn on and demanded for decades.

    As the reality sinks in, the third-world will begin to react only in visceral hatred and fear to their tribal enemies; the user nations who’ve been enjoying the complicity of the US in being stupid on the one hand, and supporting them with blood and arms on the other hand, will begin to get the creepy crawlies that the parent they have hated and mocked actually is tied up and helpless in the basement now, tied with water-soaked ropes that are shrinking tighter and tighter. The hated parent, the despised leader can no longer help them or hear them. It is what they always wanted. Now they’re not so sure. But it’s too late.

    Freedom-loving people across the world are shocked and horrified, and beginning to realize there is very little they can do to help Americans caught inside the burning building–and almost nothing they can do to protect themselves in the face of what is surely coming their way. They know that any fear their enemies have had about coming after them is pretty much a thing of the past.

    Any humans who are still “yearning to breathe free” are beginning to understand that it is not automatically a good investment of time or life or money to “just get to America–if we can just get to America.” They understand that Americans (as opposed to americans–there are two different Americas, and that is the way I will refer to them from now on)….they understand that while Americans still believe that we have certain unalienable rights, given us by our Creator, the american government does not.

    The freedom cup is broken.

    Drums please….funeral cadence.

    President Barack Hussein Obama.
    Secretary of State John Kerry
    Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel


  8. John Galt says:

    Makes me wonder if Rand Paul is tapping Saudi money via US Chamber of Commerce.


  9. retire2005 says:

    Y’all are missing the point. The important vote was the one on cloture. In order for Hagel to progress to a up-down vote, he had to pass cloture. Cloture required a 2/3rds vote. Confirmation required a simply (+1) majority. Any Republican who voted “aye” for cloture, moving Hagel onto a general majority vote for confirmation knew that he would be confirmed simply because Democrats hold the majority in the Senate. So let’s look at what Republicans voted “aye” on cloture KNOWING the Democrats had the numbers to confirm.,

    Alexander (Tn)
    Ayotte (NH)
    Blunt (M))
    Burr (NC)
    Chambliss (GA)
    Coburn (KO)
    Cochran (MS)
    Collins (ME)
    Corker (TN)
    Flake (AZ)
    Graham (SC)
    Hatch (UT)
    Johanns (NE)
    McCain (AZ)
    Murkowski (AK)
    Sessions (AL)

    These senators knew that once Hagel reached an up/down vote that required a simple majority, not a 2/3rds vote, he would be confirmed. If they really wanted to block his conformation, they would have voted “Nay” during cloture.

    A pox on all of them.


    • michellc says:

      True. It’s working though for Coburn with a lot of voters. If you go to Coburn’s FB, there is a lot of arguing going on that he didn’t vote to confirm him with a few smart Okies arguing what he did was even worse because he can say I didn’t vote to confirm and fail to mention that he voted so he could even receive a majority vote on being confirmed and it was a foregone conclusion with a majority only needed vote that he would be confirmed. Many of those arguing for him are the same ones arguing we should ignore that he’s working with Schumer and trust him.
      Trust him my behind, I don’t trust any of them.


      • Voice from the wilderness says:

        Coburn is symbolic of everything that is rotten in Amrican, meaning he is either among those who hate America and intent upon changing it to something other than a Constitutionally free and democratic republic, or he is just anothe totally corrupt politician. He and about 99% of both parties could switch parties and no one would ever know the difference, because there are no differences between either party.


    • CrankyinAZ says:

      Both my senators are… well… jacka$$e$ …. *slams head on table* We are so screwed. How could they vote for that moron? He couldn’t even speak a coherent sentence! My cat would make a better Sec. of Defense! At least she’ll stand and fight! Ughh…..


      • michellc says:

        You’re in the same boat as me with at least one of your senators cutting a deal with Schumer on background checks. I’m sick of all of them.


    • Voice from the wilderness says:

      You nailed it. Although there are still republican voters. there is no longer a republican party and few if any real republican members of congress, including many of those elected as tea party cnadidates. They always manage to get just enough votes to pass whatever is before them, and let the others vote against it. It is all a charade.


    • Voice from the wilderness says:

      I agree they knew how many votes need to pass the cloture and usually the leader asks for volunteers, if he needs more, they draw straws. One way or the other they always manage to get JUST ENOUGH. If there are any honest members in Congress, where are thier voices, because I keep hearing what Simon and Grafunkel heard, the sound of silence.


    • SR says:

      Thank you. “Just the facts please”. You, retire, have hit the nail on the head and sifted through the political posturing that got us where we are. We must understand how “they” play their games and decieve us.


  10. Sharon says:

    This came to mind.

    Reality-based sadness is not a bad thing. It can be a powerful motivation. If you’ve still got illusions that “it’s gonna be ok”—“just wait and see what’s gonna happen in the 2014 election…” you might want to schedule some time to get disillusioned. If you don’t care to be disillusioned (which just means letting go of your illusions), then please get out of the way. There are some Americans who have some deadly serious work to do.

    The only candidates I will believe are those who have a specific and declared plan for overturning executive orders, gutting bureaucracies and literally closing down the EPA, the NEA and the DOE, and pursuing indictments against persons who took an oath to protect and defend the constitution of the United States and did not do it. Based on that presently non-existent field of candidates I’m not assuming I will have any interest in the 2014 election.


  11. czarowniczy says:

    Ahhh. the urban legends of the Pogue carburetor, the perpetual motion machine, the virtuous whore and ‘all Republicans are conservatives’. Lucy, Charlie Brown and the football retold as a Senatorial decision. We had one Sen vote yea and one nay in Mississippi, both are Republicans to some degree or another. The one who voted ‘nay’ wrote me back on very early on saying he was against Hagel – the other never answered my email. One can only wonder what inducement was dangled before Republican eyes that would sway them to confirm a man who is such an enemy to the US’s only nominal friend in the Mideast and to the US’s position as a world military power. As for Hagel being qualified for the position – if Obama is serious about his pledge to make the Us a defense-only second rate military power he got the man who would be his best henchman put into position to do it, in that aspect he’s eminently qualified.


  12. akathesob says:

    Yes it does seem we are to just 4get all about four American hero’s are just a memory. Just like always business as usual.


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