Setting The Record Straight – Arm Yourself With Information, The 10 Most Popular Liberal Lies About Gun Control…

Liberal Lies – In the wake of the tragic Newtown massacre, we’re hearing all the usual lies and misconceptions about firearms. And since it’s wise to be educated on a topic before advocating policy on it, this is a good time to explode the gun myths being bandied about.

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1. The issue is automatic weapons. – Boston mayor Thomas Menino and CNN’s Don Lemon both recently repeated the common mantra that we have to get “automatic weapons” off the streets. Automatic weapons, however, are machine guns, which, except for individuals who receive special permission from the federal government, have been illegal to own since the passage of The National Firearms Act in 1934. In addition, the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act of 1986 made it generally illegal for any civilian to own an automatic weapon manufactured after that year.

molon labe pic2. Assault Weapons – “Assault weapon” is certainly a menacing, rhetorically effective term, which is why the media use it so much. In reality, though, the guns in question (such as the AR-15-type rifles and AK-47s available to the public) are not machine guns but simply semi-automatic firearms; this means that one bullet is released with each trigger pull. And virtually every gun sold in America is semi-automatic.

A true “assault weapon” would be fully automatic or have a “special-fire” feature. What the guns incorrectly labeled assault weapons do have is a military appearance. But if looks are everything, we might as well put a Porsche body on a Yugo chassis and call it a race car.

molon labe pic3. The 1990s Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) got these weapons off the street. – After the Colorado movie-theater shooting, the Daily News wrote, “Once, federal law would have kept [shooter James] Holmes’ hands off a superdeadly [sic] weapon like the AR-15. In 1994, under President Bill Clinton, Congress outlawed the manufacture and possession of assault weapons, but the statute had a 10-year expiration date.”

But media ignorance, it seems, has no expiration date. The AWB did nothing to eliminate weapons such as the one Holmes — or Newtown shooter Adam Lanza — used. It simply outlawed the sale of such firearms when they had certain combinations of relatively insignificant, superficial features, such as a bayonet mount and a pistol grip, or a folding stock and a flash suppressor. But the guns themselves were still readily available.

So, sorry, my liberal friends, but Bill Clinton and the rest of your leftist leadership conned you.

4molon labe pic. What we’re calling “assault weapons” are especially deadly – As with the Newtown shooter, James Holmes’ “menacing looking” AR-15 got all the attention; in reality, however, most of his victims died of shotgun wounds. The New York Times explained why, writing, “If anything, the experts said, a shotgun in that [soft-target, close-quarters] situation might have been the most lethal, since every shell can spray a half-dozen or more pellets, each capable of killing or maiming a person.”

Except there’s no “if” about it. A shotgun is a hand cannon. This is why G. Gordon Liddy once said that, when he was at the FBI, the agents’ gun of choice when going out on a raid would be a shotgun, not an automatic or semi-automatic rifle.

molon labe pic5. Guns aren’t generally used for self defense – While evil done with guns makes headlines, we don’t hear about the evil thwarted with them. But according to Florida State University criminologist Dr. Gary Kleck, citizens use guns to defend themselves approximately two million times per year.

molon labe pic6. Foreign nations have lower murder rates because of gun control. – Britain is often used as an example. But as Thomas Sowell recently wrote:

Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries — and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun control laws than the United States….

The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms.

In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s — after decades of ever tightening gun ownership restrictions — there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies.

Sowell also points out that Russia, Mexico, and Brazil have stricter gun-control laws than the United States but higher murder rates, while the Swiss have a far higher gun-ownership rate than the Germans but a lower murder rate. Other nations he cites as having high gun ownership but little murder are Israel, Finland, and New Zealand.

molon labe pic7. School massacres are a modern American phenomenon. – Untrue. As John Fund writes:

Mass shootings are no more common than they have been in past decades….

In fact, the high point for mass killings in the U.S. was 1929, according to criminologist Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections.

Incidents of mass murder in the U.S. declined from 42 in the 1990s [during the “assault weapons” ban] to 26 in the first decade of this century.

The chances of being killed in a mass shooting are about what they are for being struck by lightning.

Until the Newtown horror, the three worst K–12 school shootings ever had taken place in either Britain or Germany.

Then there is Norway, where in 2011 Anders Breivik murdered 77 people. In contrast, while I don’t have precise figures, let’s very generously estimate the number of people killed in American mass murders during the last 30 years to be 500. Given that our population is 310 million and Norway’s is only 5 million, this means that Norway’s mass-murder rate is almost 10 times as high as ours.

Beware of Norway, the mass-murder capital of the world.

molon labe pic8. Americans want more gun control – Celinda Lake and Joshua Ulibarri of progressive Lake Research recently asserted this in an op-ed. Yet it’s deceptive. The public does support criminal background checks and making it more difficult for the mentally ill and drug users to acquire weapons. In addition, they may support a ban on the incorrectly labeled “assault weapons” only because of the belief that they’re machine guns. But the truth is, writes David Frum, that “support for gun control has collapsed in the United States” over the past 20 years.

molon labe pic9. More guns mean more crime – Legal scholar John Lott refuted this years ago in his book More Guns, Less Crime. Thomas Sowell also addressed this myth in the earlier cited article, writing:

The rate of gun ownership … is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas. The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks. For the country as a whole, hand gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down.

molon labe pic10. The Second Amendment only guarantees a right to raise a militia – Not according to leading Second Amendment scholar Stephen Halbrook, Ph.D. As he wrote in his book That Every Man be Armed:

In recent years it has been suggested that the Second Amendment protects the “collective” right of states to maintain militias, while it does not protect the right of “the people” to keep and bear arms. If anyone entertained this notion in the period during which the Constitution and Bill of Rights were debated and ratified, it remains one of the most closely guarded secrets of the eighteenth century, for no known writing surviving from the period between 1787 and 1791 states such a thesis.   The phrase “the people” meant the same thing in the Second Amendment as it did in the First, Fourth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments — that is, each and every free person.

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58 Responses to Setting The Record Straight – Arm Yourself With Information, The 10 Most Popular Liberal Lies About Gun Control…

  1. LouDaJew says:

    I’ve heard the Young Turks speak about something called the gun show loop hole which I don’t believe. every purchse of a firearm requires filling out an extensive form followed up by a phone call to clear a buyer that he/she has a clean background. I’ve hear this gun show loophole issue brought up by gun grabbers several times. it’s a myth that the Young Turks brings up.

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    • LouDaJew says:

      also in FL, there is a 5 day waiting period (weekends excluded) unless you have your concealed weapons permit.

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    • kadar2012 says:

      In many states a long arm can be sold from one person to another without the background check. This happens very often at gunshows. That is what they call the loophole.

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      • LoudaJew says:

        that makes no sense. the dealer sends the firearm to the FFL dealer of your choice after 5 working days. individeals don’t sell weapons at gun shows, only dealers.

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        • LoudaJew says:

          individuals

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        • michellc says:

          Individuals can sell guns at gun shows. You can legally sell a certain number of guns a year without a license. There are some gun shows that allow licensed dealers only, but not all.
          It could be where you’re at that is the law, but it’s not federal law.

          Dealers at gun shows don’t have to wait 5 days anymore than a dealer at a gun shop. I think federal law vs state law is getting confused. I can go buy a gun today at any gun shop and walk out with the gun within 30 minutes. I’ve done it several times. You fill out your info, they call it in and get approval within minutes.

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          • tara says:

            Does the gun seller then provide that info to the state? Or is the info only used if the gun is involved in a crime?

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            • michellc says:

              The gun seller relies on the information given to them by the feds. Feds approve the buyer and they sell the gun. They have to keep the bill of sale and the paperwork filled out for the background check. But we don’t register guns, so no information is given to the state or the feds as far as linking gun to person. Now I’m sure if the gun is used in a crime they can track the serial number and know the gun was sold to the dealer and the dealer can look up the bill of sale. However, I’ve never had it made clear to me how long they must keep those records. I’ve asked different dealers and been given different answers, so I’m not sure they’re even clear on that one.
              I do know the local pawn shop guy told me he has to give paperwork as far as seller and gun with serial number every so often to local LE for them to check for stolen weapons.

              I keep meaning and forgetting to look it up because it’s a discussion I’ve had many times.

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    • michellc says:

      It depends on whether the seller at a gun show is a licensed dealer, if so they must do a background check. If they’re an individual they can legally make private sells with no background check.
      Here’s my problem with background checks or even making it illegal to conduct private sales. Would background checks have prevented any of the recent shootings? The Aurora shooter passed the background check. I’m assuming the Mother of Lanza passed it as well. Private sells really played no part in either of these shootings. I’m not as informed about the mall shooter.
      Also it was illegal for the Aurora shooter to carry loaded firearms, yet the legality didn’t stop him from doing it, what is breaking the law when your intent is to murder many people? It was illegal for Lanza to be in possession of the guns, yet once again the law didn’t stop him from murdering his Mother and loading up guns to go shoot kids.

      If you’re going to pass laws that infringe on the rights of private citizens then they should at least be somewhat of a solution to a problem. These laws are not a solution to anything they’re based on emotion including those who support background checks they’re based on emotion, make it where felons and the mentally ill can’t buy guns. Yet felons and the mentally ill still get guns. The truth is there is no stopping it, heck our own government armed criminals.
      It’s like our state under a democratic governor was going to stop the making of meth by putting sinus and cold medicine behind a pharmacist counter and you can only buy it by showing your DL and having your info stored on a computer to limit you to X boxes a month. Meth has increased since the law went into place and all it has done is make it a huge inconvenience for those who need the medicine along with make you feel like a criminal to buy a box of cold or sinus pills. The law was based on emotion, OMG meth is becoming a huge problem if we limit one of their ingredients we’ll take meth off the streets. When I argued against the law because it was stupid, I asked many of the lawmakers when are you going to remove draino off the shelves? What is going to stop them from having a few friends buy their limit a month and now they have enough to make their meth or what is going to stop them from replacing one ingredient for another? All of my sensible questions went unanswered and I was told by more than a few so do you want us to do nothing and just be fine that meth is being made in the kitchen? One did give me an honest answer and said he didn’t think the law would stop meth being made in the kitchen but he’d vote for it because he didn’t want to be labeled as someone who didn’t try to stop meth.

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      • Craw63 says:

        It’s allot like when GA outlawed texting while driving. Did accidents involving texting while driving go down? No, it increased. Why? Because instead of people holding their phones up so they can glance between their phone and the road, they started holding them down so passers by can’t see them texting making it so their eyes where even farther away from seeing road.

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        • michellc says:

          We passed that law as well and I laugh watching cops texting while driving yet they’re supposed to enforce the law. I think we did it because it was the “in” thing for states to do.

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      • tara says:

        If you’re going to pass laws that infringe on the rights of private citizens then they should at least be somewhat of a solution to a problem.

        Michelle, you are far too logical for politicians! They have an agenda, you know, and logic is no part of it.

        Honestly, I feel like going out and buying a big stockpile of guns just to make a statement.

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    • Josh says:

      David took down Goliath with a rock.

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      • aliashubbatch says:

        Love the fight between David and Goliath; far as I know, that is the first recorded “BOOM! HEADSHOT!” moment in human history

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  2. mooney1el says:

    The “gun show loophole” refers to the fact that a buyer can go to a gun show and buy a firearm from a private collector or individual without a background check. All registered dealers still have to do the background checks and at the gun shows and you will see buyers filling out the forms and sales people making the required phone calls at those dealer exhibits. But private collectors at a gun show may sell their firearms to another private individual without the checks. Additionally, many folks carry around (unloaded) guns, with signs on the boxes or wearing the sign, while attending gun shows and sell those guns to others attending the show; it is a way to “expose” the gun to a larger audience of potential buyers than simple word of mouth. Purchase from a collector/exhibitor with a table or from an individual walking around at a gun show is treated the same as if it were a face-to-face transaction between private citizens.

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    • canadacan says:

      Good article to read is written by guy Benson at cowboy byte.

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    • LoudaJew says:

      I’ve never seen this at a gun show. this loophole is a liberal lie.

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      • michellc says:

        No it’s not. I’m not sure what state you live in but it may be the law in your state that individuals can’t sell firearms privately at gun shows or that there is a waiting period, but it’s not federal law.

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      • michellc says:

        Now there is a federal law that you can’t sell a firearm to a resident of another state. So a private individual at a gun show in Oklahoma could not sell a gun to a resident of Missouri without transferring the gun to a licensed dealer in Missouri. However, I can go to a gun show in Oklahoma and sell a firearm on the spot, no background check to an Oklahoman.
        That is what they mean when they say loophole, private transactions. So in that case it’s a loophole that I can sell a gun to my neighbor as well. It’s just what they like to say and you are correct there is no loophole when it comes to licensed dealers they still have to do a background check at gun shows just as they do in their shop.

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    • Chip Bennett says:

      The “gun show loophole” refers to the fact that a buyer can go to a gun show and buy a firearm from a private collector or individual without a background check.

      So, how is that a gun show loop hole, per se? The issue is the private sale, which doesn’t have to take place at a gun show (and, I would wager, probably takes place elsewhere far more often).

      Calling it the gun show loop hole is simply an attempt to stigmatize gun shows, and to make gun sales sound more scary.

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      • LouDaJew says:

        Chip, liberals live off this lie of the gun show loophole. they have this belief that anybody can go to a gun show, and buy a weapon. I’ve never seen people with signs on boxes saying gun for sale. it’s almost as bas as the lie that George was a white guy who outweighed Trayvon by 100 pounds, while Trayvon was screaming for help. no fact, just emotion as usual from liberals when it comes to the Second Ammendment.

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        • mooney1el says:

          Lou – I have seen, with my own two eyes, individuals at gun shows with signs offering their guns for sale many times…never been to a gun show in Miami, just here in Jacksonville and back in Michigan. I have also seen many tables at these same gun shows with a sign “private sales only” and have discussed purchasing a particular gun from a collector at these same gun shows. It is absolutely no problem making a private party purchase at a gun show proper or in the parking lot of these gun shows.

          You may call me a liar if you wish, but you would be flat wrong! You may not however, call me a liberal!

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          • Allfal says:

            You are correct. I have seen individuals making private sales of firearms at gunshows. It is exactly the same as advertising a weapon for sale in the local paper. Completely legal, depending on State law. One party selling a legal commodity to another in a face to face transaction. No crime there.

            As far as the tables labeled “private sales only”, yes, sometimes you see them. Existing laws state you must obtain a Federal Firearms License to be in the” business ” of selling firearms. If an individual liquidatingng a collection, for whatever reason, they are not” in businesses”. They are simply selling legallyly owned property, in a face to face transaction.

            ATF has often taken issue and charged private individuals engaging in this practice on a regular basis with the intent to make a profit. They need an FFL for that. Someone that sells a few guns in a face to face transaction, once in a while, even if he profits from that transaction, is not in businessness and needs no FFL, even if they rent a table to sell them, face to face.

            There is no “gunshow loophole”. What they desire is no gov approved transfers of specific property to occur.

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  4. Seeking the Truth says:

    Re: #4 – I believe the information thus far indicates that a shotgun was NOT used in the Newtown shooting. There is video that shows the Saiga shotgun to still be in the trunk of his car.

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  5. JAS says:

    Something to consider,…..

    If you want to fly an airplane you need a license. If you want to captain a boat with passengers or are younger than 22 years old you need a license. The license requirements are a full medical exam every few years, and yes, you must pee in a cup. And just a safety course for the under 22-year old. This should keep everyone not fit to fly an airplane, or captain a boat with passengers out of our skies and waters.

    But then, right after 9/11, a young teenager student pilot stole an airplane and crashed it into a tall building in Tampa, Florida.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/06/us/student-pilot-15-crashes-plane-into-tower-in-florida.html

    My point is, as much as we try in good faith to protect ourselves and our children through legislation, some ALWAYS get through….

    The kid got his hands on the keys to the airplane….
    The kid got his hands on his mom’s rifle…..
    The kid stole his dad’s boat and was driving it at night and at high speed without a license….
    The kids’ older friend bought the guns for them….

    See a pattern here?

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  6. amieevit says:

    I want to start by saying it makes me sick at my stomach what happened to those children done by a misguided, sick young man. But, he is the one that did it. Not the gun. There are people trying to take away the decent, law abiding persons right have a weapon to defend him or herself. The people in the media are wanting this for whatever reason. I don’t know why a few are wanting to throw away the rights that people have fought and died for in this country. But, we do need to think long and hard and not make a snap decision on this.

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    • tara says:

      Like I said before, they should also ban cars because drunk drivers have killed people with cars.

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      • tara says:

        We should ban fertilizer too, because it’s used for bomb-making.

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        • michellc says:

          Oh they tried after the OKC bombing. A long time fertilizer plant went out of business in my area because of their war on fertilizer.
          You can’t even buy lyme anymore without being given the 3rd degree. Awhile back we had some sick cows and the vet told me to buy some lyme to put on the ground and in the barn where they were at. We’ve used lyme for years for different reasons. I went down to a local farm store to buy 200 lbs and I had to fill out paperwork stating what I was using it for, my name and address because I was purchasing more than 100 lbs.

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          • tara says:

            Wow. Presumed guilty! I’m getting really sick of all of the regulations and the treatment of law-abiding citizens as criminals. Meanwhile, the Dems are fine with THEIR voters showing up at polls with no ID … it’s too much trouble you know to get and maintain an ID, but it’s not too much trouble to have to jump through hoops to purchase an item necessary for you, your business, or your home.

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  7. LoudaJew says:

    Sundance, if you want good info on anything weapons related contact Jonathan at PPT guns in Broward County. this guy is very knowledgeable.

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  8. mcfyre2012 says:

    10. Second Amendment

    I believe the Second Amendment is also the “unsaid” fourth part of the check and balance system of our republic.

    Turnabout is fair play. If the liberals think that the Second Amendment only pertains to a militia, then shouldn’t we be like Switzerland…where every able-bodied adult male is required to keep an assault rifle (provided by the government) in his home so he is ready to defend his country?

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  9. ottawa925 says:

    From the mouths of the children themselves, here’s just a short lil video on what Rahm Emanuel doesn’t want you to know about how ppl have to live in his City. Hmmmm, yes …. and the adorable young heavy set kid in this story has more sense than these so-called elected leaders. Notice how he stops himself when he begins to offer his answer to the problem … “I would get rid of the guns (strike that) … I would get rid of the gangbangers”. 100,000 bangers. These ppl are living like we are in a major city of conflict in the mid-east. It is RIGHT here, right in our nation, but over DECADES, nothing has been done that has amounted to anything permanent. No one is going to stop all crime, however, over the years they had their chance to rid cities of gangs … and they haven’t. It’s invasion from within.

    http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/hidden-america-children-caught-chicago-gang-war-crossfire-17513007

    Let me tell you something I personally know as truth. The gangs are also involved in politics, mostly for Cook County elections.

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  10. tara says:

    I found out last night that a long-time Chicago Alderman, Ed Burke, who is a staunch Democrat and who has been very vocally anti-gun has had a license to carry a concealed weapon for years. He claims that he works for a detective agency, but on his application in place of an agency name he put his own name. This is actually the SECOND Dem Chicago politician to be outed recently for carrying a concealed weapon. The other is Illinois State Senator Donne Trotter who stupidly took his gun through a security checkpoint at O’Hare airport and was arrested. Trotter claims that he’s a security guard, yet there is zero evidence that he is employed as one. Hypocrite Dems.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/17098681-418/ald-ed-burke-private-eye-also-okd-to-carry-semiautomatic-weapon.html

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  11. Knuckledraggingwino says:

    Rather than confirm the prog’s bigoted presumption that gun rights activists are uncaring by quibbling over definitions and relative deadliness, perhaps we should focus on the fact that the vast majority of young children (eleven and under) who are murderred are not killed with firearms? According to the FBI’s SHR database which SundanceCracker chooses to find as offensive as my jokes, the vast majority of young children who are murderred are in the vast majority of cases either beaten to death, usually with bare hands, strangled, bludgeoned to death or stabbed. Of the twenty-five-thousand young children thar have been murdered during the last three decades, only four-thousand were killed with guns. We should also emphasize that the PEOPLE who murder young children are usually family members rather than some psycho stranger. Child killers are either mom, or mommy’s live in boyfriend, a wicked step mother or a step sibling.

    Guns Dont Kill Young Children. Dysfunctional Families Kill Young Children.

    Perhaps by emphasizing this essential truth, we might win this political battle.

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    Sundance does not spend nearly as much time worrying about you as you seem to think. He suggested yesterday on another thread that you get over yourself–please make time for that process soon. Your periodic rudeness and childish expectations are a bit much. –Admin

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    • knuckledragingwino says:

      I don’t presume that SDC spends much time worrying about me. What bothers me is that SDC is so prejudiced by his antipathy towards me that he/she refuses to accept, acknowledge and feature valuable information that can completely alter the debate. This quibbling over definitions of “assault weapon” is irrellevant to the public and merely confirms the perception that we do bot care. Making the point that most child homicide victims are not killed with guns is a potential paradigm shift that can transform the debate. I can’t believe that the CTH refuses to understand this. I could follow SDC’s alleged advice by running the charts, putting the screenshots on photo bucket then attempting to post them here. This of course would enable me to post ANYTHING that I might choose to fabricate and thus discredit the CTH and SDC. I prefer to post the weblink to the official government website and allow the CTH admins run the charts for themselves then post the screenshots somewhat they can validate the authenticity of the info.

      Since the CTH refuses to do any research on this aspect of the issue, I will once again post the link so that other people can see for themselves.

      http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezashr/asp/vic_selection.asp
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      Excellent solution on your part. The goal of the Treehouse is to provide an opportunity for conversation. Our guests are free to research and contribute material which they believe will advance the conversation. If someone posts deliberately fabricated or false information, our team of researchers (that would be the readers and thinkers who participate) would discover that, expose it and thoroughly discredit that commenter. –Admin

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      • stellap says:

        I don’t know about everyone else, but I’ve seen several of your comments about this, and got your message. I ‘m sure others have too. Don’t assume that because people don’t comment on your remarks that they haven’t seen them and evaluated them. It isn’t necessary for SD to agree with you, or to follow your exact line of reasoning. That’s why it is wonderful that we all have our opinions and points of view.

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  12. tara says:

    Oh geez, I’m listening to Obama rattle off various incidents in which a person was shot. At least he properly stated that we should work harder to keep guns away from problem individuals, but any gun law which does not specifically address those problem individuals will stray from his stated goal.

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  13. 556mmfmj says:

    Assault Weapons list: (Note: the following is a partial list of weapons actually used in attacks on human beings.)
    Baseball bat,
    Tire Iron,
    Crescent Wrench
    Scissors,
    Cleaver,
    Kitchen Knife,
    Fork,
    Chair,
    Boot,
    Fist,
    teeth,
    Umbrella,
    table lamp,
    Vehicle,
    Tuna Fish Sandwich,
    Drano,
    Beer bottle,
    Pool cue,
    ice pick,
    2 x 4,
    tree branch,
    purse,

    Fill in the blank _________________________

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  14. Chip Bennett says:

    Great start, Sundance! Now we need to take this, expound upon it, cite references for every point (especially with respect to gun crime statistics).

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    • knuckledragingwino says:

      I tried doing exactly what you recommend in regard to statistics on gun crimes. SndanceCracker chose to be offended when I cited the relavant statistics on homicides of young children who are homicides. I guess even pro gun people are so conditioned to believe that guns are used in the vast majority of homicides that this applies to every subgroup in the population. The simple fact of the matter is that societiy’s most vulnerable homicide victims, young children, rape victims and the elderly, are not killed with guns.

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      • sundance says:

        Wino, one last time. Open a photobucket account (it’s free) take screenshots of your statistical analysis inputs that form your graphs and charts, upload the screenshots to your photobucket, size them as you wish, and then drop in links. We would be happy to load those pictures as you request – as we do with all other people who drop links to pictures and request they be visible.

        What we will NOT do is spend hours pouring through websites you choose to cite, try to figure out what metrices you are requesting, and then formulating the optical presentation thereof. If you want to do that fine. But don’t expect others to do the legwork for you.

        In the interim, you would be better served to find a measure of humility, nay civility, in your conversational tone – toward a forum where you are a guest. Understood?

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        • PatriotUSA says:

          “In the interim, you would be better served to find a measure of humility, nay civility, in your conversational tone – toward a forum where you are a guest. Understood?”

          Thank you Sundance. This is extremely important. Decorum and proper behavior is paramount. As one who suffers from occasional rants and severe ‘permagrump’. Over at PC the same rules apply.

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        • Knuckledraggingwino says:

          SDC: I actually attempted to open a photo bucket account but was thwarted by a snow storm that is impeding my satellyte internet. Given the context of your suggestion, I did not expect you to post it. I’ll try again.

          Obviously, a sense of decorum is obviously not one of my virtues. I’ll try to work on it.

          Humility is one of my virtues, but one shouldn’t allow one’s sense of humility to dissuade one from sharing expertise. After having a grandfather shot by an armed robber and a brother murderred by another armed robber who was stealing a garbage can (murder weapon was a Dodge van) I developed an extreme interest in criminology. I possess one of the most complete collections of the FBI publications Crime in the US and Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted. I also possess the database of the manufacturer and model of firearms used to kill police officers that the FBI developed during the 1990s in response to the Clinton gun ban proposal. I even helped the researchers at the FBI-UCR resolve apparent errors in that database. I also possess the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports from the 1980s and 1990s. These 1,000 page computer printouts can provide extremely detailed statistical information, but they are extremely cumbersome and labor intensive, plus they results can’t be independently verified by third parties. I happen to be one of the few people who was able to obtspain copies of the caliber specific info in the Chicago Murder Analysis before the Chicago political machine decided that it should be secret to conceal the extreme paucity of murders with so called assault rifles in that crime ravaged city. With the exception of John Lott, you aren’t going to find anyone who has done both a temporal statistical analysis and inter jurisdictional analysis of the correlation between crime rates and arrest rates. (the bottom line is that crime became rampant in the US because most police officers stopped arresting criminals and some police officers, especially in inner cities where crime is rampant, are so inept that they
          should be arrested for loitering). I’ve even gone beyond Prof Lott’s research by doing statistical analysis between the US and other countries. Can’t find police who are as inept as most American cops without going to third world countries. Even most Bananna Republics have smarter cops than the cops in NYC, Washington DC, Chicagomand Detroit.

          So once again I will work on that photobucket account, a sense of decorum and humility. In the mean time, perhaps you should consider the possibility that even a Neanderthal might have specific expertise on certain subjects that vastly exceeds your own?

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  15. anwtex says:

    Interesting. I didn’t see the word “bomb” mentioned in the article.
    Umm……. doesn’t fit the agenda?

    9:44 AM – 19 Dec
    Orlando Sentinel ‏@orlandosentinel

    Police receive call for bomb threat at Lake Nona High http://thesent.nl/T7xIjj

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  16. tara says:

    So I’m hoping by now you’ve seen the video of Biden promising in 2008 that Obama will not take guns away from people.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/biden-2008-if-obama-tries-to-fool-with-my-beretta-hes-got-a-problem/article/2516400#.UNH1zG_AexU

    I guarantee you Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns, so don’t buy that malarkey,” Biden said to voters during a campaign stop in Castlewood, Virginia on September 20. “Don’t buy that malarkey. They’re going to start peddling that to you.”

    Biden informed the crowd that he was the proud owner of two guns.

    “If he tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem,” Biden added, referring to Obama.

    I think we need to implement some truth-in-advertising laws for campaign promises.

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  17. czarowniczy says:

    I keep waiting for Obama to tell us that either the Capitol Building was attacked and burned by Republican militia armed with assault rifles or that Polish military attacked one of our border posts. I know that Goebbels is dead but the similarity in the two’s methodology is striking. Facts? FACTS? We don’t need no stinking facts, we make our own!

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