It Begins – The Knife Baltimore Prosecutor Mosby Said Wasn't Illegal, is Actually, "illegal"….

Marilyn Mosby 2Watch how quickly this case begins to collapse as the ‘real evidence’ begins to come to the surface.  Activist, and State Attorney, Marilyn Mosby originally said:

[…] Officer Miller and Nero then placed Mr. Gray in a seated position and substantially found a knife clipped to the inside of his pants pocket. The blade of the knife was folded into the handle. The knife was not a switchblade and is lawful under Maryland law. These officers then removed the knife and placed it on the sidewalk. 

[…]  Lt. Rice, Officer Miller and Officer Nero failed to establish probable cause for Mr. Gray’s arrest as no crime had been committed by Mr. Gray. Accordingly Lt. Rice Officer MIller and Office Nero illegally arrested Mr. Gray. (link)

This was the statement she made when announcing the charges to the media.  Essentially, an oral citation of the probable cause Mosby used to file her ‘take-my-word-for-it’ Direct Action charges.   However, it looks like she was, well, stretching the truth again.
From an article last night – and note how the Baltimore Sun buries the lede deep inside their article:

[…]  Meanwhile, a police investigation continues as Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby builds her case. The separate investigations have some conflicting findings.
While Mosby said Friday that the officers had made an illegal arrest because a knife Gray was carrying was not a “switchblade,” a violation of state law, the police task force studied the knife and determined it was “spring-assisted,” which does violate a Baltimore code.
The officers remain free on bail.  (link)

Important to note this “task force” is the hand-picked Baltimore City Sheriff’s Office task force previously mentioned.  Mosby is being deconstructed by her own personal investigative unit.
Janice bledsoeSheriff John Anderson
Go figure !

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307 Responses to It Begins – The Knife Baltimore Prosecutor Mosby Said Wasn't Illegal, is Actually, "illegal"….

  1. tappin52 says:

    Well, I wonder if all of the politicians and opinionated newsreaders who have decried the “illegal arrest” will now back up and try to work from a perspective of truth. This is turning into one ugly scrambled mess of anger and lies, stirring up the hornets nest of “people with no hope”, resulting in another racial powder keg with a lit fuse.

    • No, they will keep on with their lies as they did with hands up don’t shoot lie that was proven by the autops.y

      • spottedpony says:

        The point is to keep this dog and pony show going for as long as possible. No other reason.
        People in the shadows are directing Ms Mosby just like they did with St Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch…… ‘just keep the grand jury busy for 3 long months and we’ll do the rest’ they said. And the longer the grand jury kept busy, the longer the media kept telling their lies.
        The grand jury should have heard enough evidence in a days time…. not 3+ months!

  2. famousprince says:

    Why no just paraphrase some charges in Bizarro world…
    “Mr. Gray was plucked from the street without cause or provocation by Coppers. He then became a political prisoner because of his staunch belief in rights and civil liberty. At no time was Mr. Gray allowed to speak or scream or make a spectacle or bang his head. Then he was driven over a bumpty bumpty road which caused his person to jiggle around in a most suspicious manner, causing him to expire. Then street supporters organized a national discussion on race, because it was time to finally do that, even though when it comes to race discussions our nation has had more first times than a bus load of Aggie football players in a Texas whorehouse. The State rests.”

    • doodahdaze says:

      The cops did not illegally arrest the perp. She illegally arrested the cops. Arrest her.

      • JB from SoCal says:

        You are right – never thought of it that way. Outstanding!
        SHE’S the one who made an illegal arrest . . . times six!
        Good stuff!

      • dsb steve says:

        Exactly. Falsely charged with the crime of false imprisonment. How is that not a crime?

    • Rd Davis says:

      IF the knife was clipped to his waistband and inside his pants, doesnt that make it a concealed weapon and illegal even if it was not a switchblade?

      • bogeytct says:

        Maryland law allows concealed knives of any length as long as they’re non-spring assisted folding, fixed, or not a bowie knife.

      • dginga says:

        And isn’t he a convicted felon out on parole, which makes it illegal to be 1) armed and 2) running from the cops?

      • Joe Gerbac says:

        Given the long criminal record of Gray, isn’t it possible that he was on probation that had a term that he not possess any weapons. Possession of that knife would be a violation which would subject him to arrest

  3. rumpole2 says:

    If da knife is “spring assist”… ya gotta acquits.
    Surely they can clear THAT point up at (or before) the preliminary hearing?
    Or will this be done in the style of Bernie/Corey .. hiding vital exculpatory evidence (color photo of Zim’s bloody head).
    Will this turn out to be a “DeeDee Knife”.. the defense denied access to the knife which composite of multiple manifestations/descriptions? The knife that is eventually revealed in court will be a big fat job!!
    That’s retarded, sir!!!

    • libby says:

      If he banged his head, that’s why he be dead

      • JB from SoCal says:

        “That’s retarded, sir!!!”
        “If he banged his head, that’s why he be dead”
        YESSSS! You folks are on a roll TO-DAY! Way to start off Cinco de Mayo here in SoCal.
        Thank you very much.
        . . . and please keep ’em comin’

        • LEE JAN says:

          The mosby stated that gray died of cardiac arrest. No where does she mention severed spine. Wonder how long it will take for the truth to be revealed. Considering Loretta lynch is going to ballmer today we can count on a new extended and revised set of lies.

          • gainny says:

            Did she say he died of cardiac arrest or that the medic said cardiac arrest a week before he died? I can’t figure out why he died. Severed spine (so far as I can find, only the Gray family attorney has said this), head injury from bolt (what bolt?), heroin overdose? I can’t find any public release of the autopsy report.
            What was the cause of death?

      • ImpeachEmAll says:

        A loose nut
        found its bolt.
        Let’s revolt.

    • benzy says:

      Of course, that assumes that the original knife doesn’t magically get lost in the evidence locker some time between today and the start of trial. (and yes, I assumed for that purpose that there actually will be a trial)

  4. James F says:

    This goes beyond mere recusal.
    She should be removed from office and disbarred.

    • smiley says:

      that overdone act of self-righteous indignation is always an indication.
      loose cannon with a
      chip on the shoulder a mile wide.
      making use of this “moment”…
      by any means necessary.
      said so herself.
      bad attitude.
      conflicted interests.
      etc etc
      impropriety much ?

      • yakmaster2 says:

        If Mosby believes she’s always the smartest and most righteous person in the room, nobody else’s opinion matters.

        • talkaftercarefulthought says:

          so in other words… if obama had a daughter… I think the two living in the white house he named “punishment one and two”

          • bofh says:

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            • talkaftercarefulthought says:

              from what I’ve seen they handle themselves like very nice young ladies.. if anything I’d say the “punishment” is reversed and her commie dad and very angry mother are doing the girls no favors

        • Totally Domestic says:

          She is so HAUGHTY!

        • Angel Martin says:

          “If Mosby believes she’s always the smartest and most righteous person in the room”
          one of the sad things about this case is that this may well be true !

        • doesn’t she mean “subsequently found a knife”?

        • fred says:

          Loretta and Calvary is coming to town to prop her up. I mean if they were planning on getting a conviction they live in a Xanax fantasy world, oh that’s the other woman, if not then the plan is going well to have the cops exonerated and the rest of Baltimore burned down for all that redistribution of wealth money valerie and O are promising. What’s a few more billion. I hope that article SD posted on this woman yesterday gets out to the attorneys and media. Hope they pay him for doing all their work for them.

      • TKim says:

        I’m a grown woman but that presser brought back adolescent memories of girls like that. If she had had three or more women around her with that same expression I think I’d automatically run to a library and hide.
        With the sound off one could assume that Mosby was the sister of the deceased. Or a community organizer here to agree and agitate.

        • progpoker says:

          I couldn’t help but be reminded of the female #BlackLivesMatter protesters I’ve listened to over the past few months. Screeching into bullhorns, up in peoples faces on the street. Just an ugly representative of a vile cause. I’m am tiring of the whole scam!

        • fred says:

          She sounded like the eye witness girl yesterday on FOX news saying she saw them shoot the boy with her own eyes. Same emotion elevated voice pattern.

    • flaladybug says:

      Angela Corey should have been as well and we see how that has worked out. Any news on follow up inquiries of prosecutorial misconduct?? crickets

  5. BertDilbert says:

    Yeah that is what I was saying from the beginning, It is the way the switchblade law is written. In the officer’s report he fully describes the knife in the last page and meets the criteria under the written Baltimore law.
    Mosby makes her case by omission of Baltimore law. This is just another example of her dishonesty. This woman should be through. All this does is firm up why she needs to be removed from handling this case. She is a danger to the justice system.

    • Vivid Blue says:
      It isn’t just Baltimore law, but even Maryland’s legal definition.
      FTA: ” The October 2014 Digest of Criminal Laws from the Maryland Police And Correctional Training Commissions indicates that a police officer would in fact be taught that a spring assisted, one hand operating knife should be charged as a deadly weapon equivalent to a switchblade

      • bofh says:

        Well, since Barky can ignore immigration law wherever he wishes, I guess Mosby shouldn’t be held to Baltimore law…

      • BertDilbert says:

        The knife may not be a full switch blade but what we used to call a flick blade knife. A true switch blade being fully automatic opening with the press of a button. The Baltimore law cites spring assist and does not fully define the attributes of a full switchblade, so it seems to qualify under the wording he was arrested under. So the knife was probably a one hand operated flick blade.

        • Chris Osburn says:

          The highlighted section above also states that the “button, spring, or other device” be in the handle. My pocket knife is spring assist, but the knob that you push on is attached to the blade itself.

    • art tart says:

      BertDilbert ~ you’re right, you called this from the beginning. No doubt Mosby is dishonest/should recuse herself but I don’t think that will happen unless she is forced out. How stupid to claim it was “legal,” I thought since there were 2 different investigations, that both investigations had found the same thing, I was wrong.
      Good news for the Officers, had Mosby not rushed to promote herself in a news conference by charging Officers, should wouldn’t look further incompetent now.

  6. she lied in the charging document. Yeah, let’s just slip that in an article like it’s nothing. How can this possibly continue?

    • rumpole2 says:

      Yeah right.
      Seems like an important point. I’d have never have spotted it half way down that article if ” CCG” had not picked it out.

    • Les says:

      And she named two wrong defendants. She cause trouble for two unsuspecting families and didn’t even notify them of her error.
      She’s an idiot. Truly.

    • BertDilbert says:

      Heh, she did not lie, she cited the wrong law.
      Now wait, wasn’t there some brouhaha about the prosecutor in the Mike Brown case citing the wrong law? (However in that case the wrong law handed to the jury was irrelevant.)
      In this case, handing out the wrong law destroys people. Maybe we can write it off to her youth and inexperience. Maybe we can write it off to her extreme bias and desire for political gain.

      • boutis says:

        That doesn’t matter in a disbarment complaint at the end of the imbroglio. Ignorance is not an excuse. Her assistant DA’s are getting nervous and don’t want to be disbarred also just to satisfy her political ambitions and that of her electrical engineer husband much less their abject ignorance. This is what affirmative action gets you. It is dangerous and a race to the bottom in everything.

      • ackbarsays says:

        You’re thinking about the issue where the prosecutors in that case handed the jury instructions about shooting a fleeing felon, which used to be legal. They later came back and told the grand jurors that the section of law they’d been handed on that subject had been found to be unconstitutional and that they should ignore it when deliberating.

        • BertDilbert says:

          Yeah but it was irrelevant because at the time he was shot, Mike Brown was approaching the officer, not fleeing. The evidence exonerated the officer regardless, but you cannot tell that to blacklivesmatter folks

          • auscitizenmom says:

            I just realized, these blacklivesmatter people all lie, so of course they would assume anything they don’t want to hear is also a lie. 🙄

      • ImpeachEmAll says:

        Maybe she should spend
        some time at Uncle Sam’s
        Club Med to reconcile her
        hateful, harmful indiscretions.

    • AdukeLAXobserver says:

      It happens because judges don’t put a stop to it.

    • tappin52 says:

      Exactly! How can she get away with this?

    • Poster says:

      Mohammed, I know what you mean.

  7. jesco11 says:

    Baltimore = Rhodesia
    Commisar Mosby is televising the revolution

  8. This woman really needs to go. A DA can’t concurrently be a black activist.
    “Our time is now” is rhetoric for a campaign speech…not for a DA announcing an indictment. Just unbelievable.

    • lovely says:

      Unfortunately we also have a black activist POTUS so no one is going anywhere. We are well past the point of accountability in office. If the agenda fits, the elected official sits.
      We live in PAA; Post Accountability America.

      • Sandra says:

        And a black activist Attorney General who is on her way to Baltimore right now to make sure the BGI gets its way.

        • fred says:

          Loretta will make sure it’s a civil rights case as by now she is sure the criminal case has been bungled to the max. She will get them by any means necessary.

    • Monroe says:

      Obama has spent the majority if not all of his time as POTUS on the campaign trail. Mosby learned from him.

  9. BertDilbert says:

    Someone said all the charging document statements were the same. Does this mean all the documents are perverted with the false arrest charge statements?
    With her failure to recognize thugs as thugs, and instead of thugs they are deprived children, you may as well have gangs run the city. Left to her own devices, she will destroy the city of Baltimore.

  10. jesco11 says:

    The press keeps pumping up the fact that she comes from a LE background to hide her craven decision to quell a mob by throwing the “book” at 6 officers.
    I’m guessing the BPD is closing ranks now against this LE “supporter”

  11. Justice_099 says:

    Well, you see, umm, what she meant was that she wouldn’t have prosecuted Freddie for that Knife because was a good boy. So, it ain’t illegal if she won’t prosecute.
    Law? I am the law dammit!

    • BertDilbert says:

      He was not a thug, he was just a disenfranchised child! That boy has a mother and I am a mom and that is the only criteria necessary! – Mosby

  12. jc says:

    Officer Miller and Nero then placed Mr. Gray in a seated position and substantially found a knife clipped to the inside of his pants pocket. (Doesn’t she mean “subsequently” found a knife,this woman is the best and brightest?)
    OK, she was in such a rush to charge that she has a fundamental contradiction between her charges and the facts determined by her own task force. What further contradictions will be coming from the BPD investigation (although this alone is a biggie).
    As I see it she had three basic elements to her charges against the 6 cops:
    1) Illegal arrest based on legal knife. NOT!
    2) Failure to comply with week old revised department seat belt General Order.
    3) Cold heart indifference to Freddie’s condition justifying murder and manslaughter charges. But we’re already learning that driver checked Freddie’s condition, had Sgt check Freddie and called EMS. The driver and Sgt apparently misinterpreted the severity of Freddie’s condition but when the dust settles I believe they will be able to demonstrate that they followed BPD procedures.
    The only open issue is failure to follow seatbelt procedure (which is not a crime).
    “The arrestee is secured with seat/restraint belts provided. This procedure should be evaluated
    on an individual basis so not to place oneself in any danger”. “So as to not place oneself ‘in any danger'”. That is a huge, subjective loophole, the officers could argue that Freddie might bite or spit on them as they reached to belt him – or that he told them he wanted to lie down. There may also be issues of the Department’s notification and training for the revised seatbelt procedure.
    It was an unfortunate accident , and maybe they failed to recognize the severity of freddie’s injuries early on but apparently Freddie was a known faker/actor and all his prior instances of crying wolf may have led to his ultimate demise but these cops are not criminals and murderers based on the true facts.

    • auscitizenmom says:

      Years ago I had a neighbor who was in a bad accident with bad spinal injuries. It took a year before the doctors (with all their wonderful equipment) finally diagnosed that he had a broken neck.

    • jason says:

      she has also claimed he requested medical assistance (inhaler) when he was first detained. She is the only one I have seen mention this ‘fact’ so far.
      She also specifically stated that when the officers checked on Freddie, he was already unresponsive and they did nothing but go to the next stop. Again, like you stated,evidence points to the officers actively checking, and that Freddie was still active at the time they left the final stop to go to station (even retracted version of Donte’s ‘statement’ mentions he was banging/tapping a few times as they started to pull away…not to mention the original statement he was trying to injure himself).
      Total farce… expect Ms. Lynch to openly wonder how they got it all wrong in about 7 to 24 months as she indicts yet another police force for their openly racist practices.

    • Les says:

      That’s disgusting. The black guy who killed her cousin was arrested very soon after shooting her cousin. The same day, I think, probably the same hour. He got life in prison. Not sure why she would be angry at police because of this. The only thing worse than selling out your community for personal profit is selling out your own family. She’s milking the blood of her own family.
      I do give Mosby props for saying “we are the perpetrators” of community crime, but she screwed it all up by saying “we are the judges and juries” of crime on the street. She doesn’t quite “get” the justice system. They elected a vigilante-justice proponent. She told them upfront when she announced her bid.

    • pspsst says:

      Is Dironsmon the aunt who was a cop in Mosby’s family?
      Methinks Mosby has a hate on for cops due to her own thugette experience with them, or her husband was a thug once upon a time.

      • BertDilbert says:

        I think that part of her problem is she is a politician. In the black community there are probably more votes obtainable on the “I hate cops” side of the table. The problem is she relies on cops to testify on State’s behalf in her current position. At this point, she has pretty much destroyed her relationship with LE officers. I am not equipped to determine how this will affect prosecutions by her office. I would imagine that someone will need to go in behind her and do damage repair well beyond a box of doughnuts.

  13. Vivid Blue says:

    Mosby already said, “Justice by any means”. Truth, facts, laws, ethics- none of that matters. We can only hope the justice system doesn’t follow her lead, and instead follows the law.

    • georgiafl says:

      We have to ask – How does she define ‘Justice’?
      Does she mean the Farrakhan/Shabazz/Sharpton Black Street Justice, the Holder/Obama (correct disparate impact through affirmative action) Justice or does she mean following US legal jurisprudence (which her charges have already violated)?

    • manickernel says:

      She has been preaching to the choir prior to Grey arrest and “substantial” riots. 😉 Now she is on an international stage. Her shortcomings are becoming apparent to many formerly in her camp. I am guessing they will now begin to distance themselves from association.

  14. Now I see why the only white guy in her Sheriff’s team, Major Samuel Cogen, signed under penalty of perjury those charging documents. Sounds familiar…

    • BertDilbert says:

      Ah, and now having signed those documents, the last white guy on the board will have to be removed lol. BRILLIANT, mission accomplished.

      • BertDilbert says:

        We need Major Samuel Cogen to testify if it was his idea to cite Maryland law or was he told to cite Maryland law and who those orders came from. Also at the time he cited Maryland law, was he aware of the Baltimore city law that overrode Maryland law?
        Calling West, Calling West

      • pspsst says:

        Blame the white guy of the retired sheriffs, Cogen.
        Blame the white guy of the cops, Rice. Mosby LIED on purpose about the switchblade to rope Lt. Rice in as main blame for false arrest. A lesser woman like her got guidance from the King’s cronies, just like the IRS got the message somehow from Obama’s admin. This has got his standard op fingerprints.

  15. sarah3084 says:

    I can’t say I’m surprised. It was obvious when she made it a point to say that the knife was legal under state law. I am sure that these officers have good lawyers that will use everything they have to put this awful woman and her team in their place. I don’t not know what other evidence she has to charge these officers, but if it is anything like this knife, she will have some rough days ahead of her. This was a make or break case for her career and it is easy to see that this will break her.

    • Justice_099 says:

      Until we start prosecuting people like her and Angela Corey, there is very little incentive for them to be honest in cases like this where they can stand to gain politically.
      What do they have to lose?

    • dginga says:

      How do so many of these idiots even get into law school, much less graduate? Mosby doesn’t know the difference between “subsequently” and “substantially?” I thought the law was all about the tiny details and the precision of language. Politicians like Mosby, Eleanor Holmes Norton, Sheila Jackson Lee, etc. They may have graduated from prestige law schools, but the minute they open their mouths they reveal themselves to be racist idiots.
      When I was in college getting admitted to law school was a big deal. Now, I guess, not so much.

      • Dixie says:

        The bar is lower. The requirements are obviously less stringent now as I have read many legal documents from the courts with misspellings, poor grammar and misuse of words.
        What has been happening to education since the 1960’s is a perfect example of
        One bad apple spoils the whole barrel.

  16. Justice_099 says:

    I’ll just hold my breath while I wait for the media to highlight that.

    • smiley says:

      just wait for the NBPs to show up….again.
      nasty corrupt business, this.
      = intimidation

    • Les says:

      Did you finish listening to the scanner traffic? I was looking for your update but couldn’t find it. I’m very interested in your results and I was impressed you were willing to put your money and time into the research.

      • yakmaster2 says:

        Me too, Justice.

      • Justice_099 says:

        I have not been able to find much of anything in the police traffic that I can confirm is related to Freddie’s arrest. I suspect that could be for a few different reasons:
        1. Police were using narcotics channel which is encrypted.
        2. Baltimore dispatch is broken up into districts. The scanner on broadcastify doesn’t cover the Western District.
        3. A scanner usually sweeps through the frequencies and stops when it detects noise above the squelch setting. With the high level of traffic on the police scanner, it may have stuck on certain frequencies too long and missed calls on other frequencies.
        I tried listening to the days before and after around 8:40am when he was arrested and nothing.
        So, for now anyway, the police radio traffic appears to be a dead end.

    • Dixie says:

      Justice_099 and oldiadguy are valuable commenters.

      • Dixie says:

        whoops….I didn’t mean to imply that others weren’t. They are two valuable commenters. I have foot-n-mouth disease.

  17. mickie says:

    When I read the headline, I thought what James F stated. Even though this case is far from funny, rumpole and libby cracked me up. This case is really starting to implode.

  18. shirley49 says:

    I am at the point where I do not believe anything any Democrat or pretend Republican says. Wonder if they have a class where they learn how to keep a straight face when they lie.

    • yakmaster2 says:

      I was watching Mosby’s face intently while she read the charges and then did her justice rally cry for the young people. When she finished (before taking questions), she had to work her facial muscles very hard to keep from smirking or smiling. She tensed her jaws and smacked her lips three times. That indicates she was very pleased with herself and enjoying her moment, but knew she needed to appear solemn.

  19. mickie says:

    The same article states that two of the charging documents had the wrong identifying info on them leaving two people being hounded. One was a wrong middle initial and I forget the other one. Also said mayor was helping to deliver prescriptions to people. Maybe that’s what she will do for her next job.

    • Angel Martin says:

      also the article has a rehash/summary on last weeks riots, the National Guard packing up and leaving, some Reverend/developer (?) who is going to rebuild something, and finally at paragraph NINETEEN: oh, BTW the knife was illegal and the whole “illegal arrest” thing was bogus.
      Mosby is a disgrace, and so is the Baltimore Sun.

  20. Col.(R) Ken says:

    Is somebody keeping a scorecard?

  21. doodahdaze says:

    I just wonder why the rest of the cops up there continue to work. They should walk out.

  22. springstreet says:

    Freddie Gray was not chased and arrested because he had a knife. He was spotted doing a drug transaction … in a high drug crime area where he had been arrested before! Forget the knife … the BGI has you playing their media’s game. An honest DA’s Probable Cause was public drug dealing by a repeat offender (and snitch) … who then tested positive for heroin.

  23. Rodney Plonker says:

    I remember something from history about from 1930’s. What was it now?
    Ah yes, “Night of the spring knives” when a Crazed ideological Politician led SA henchpersons aka ‘Brownshirts’ to take out ‘Blackshirts’. Took ’em completely by surprised.
    They also had a night of destruction based on a false narrative about a death: ‘Krystallmethnacht’.

    • BertDilbert says:

      Night of the Spring Knives –
      The night Mosby confabulated the charging documents with co conspirator/fall guy Major Sam Cogen.

    • True Colors says:

      In Germany, Hitler had the “night of the long knives.” In the middle of the night, he had his critics and enemies murdered by surprise in their own homes.
      Baltimore = “night of the spring knives”? Catchy.

  24. boutis says:

    Anyone who has worked in an affirmative action staffed office or organization (education, hires, policy, cliques) will instantly recognize this. They don’t know what they are doing, they won’t listen to why they are wrong, they can’t comprehend the domino effect or cause and effect, and eventually they want someone to fix it for them while they lie and blame someone else. All you can do is stay out of it while it implodes. Or go get another job.

    • Monroe says:

      Or you become a casualty of their implosion.

    • sundance says:

      Yes, THIS !
      This is the also the foundation for the BGI (Crumps, Parks, Jacksons etc) saying the “system” doesn’t work.
      Its too complex, too nuanced, too much requiring details, accuracy and specificity. That’s why “the system” doesn’t work and needs to change. They can’t say that directly, but the coded message is carried within all of their arbitrary shouts of unfairness.
      It’s not that the system is broken in reality; it’s that the system is too difficult for a very specific user to be able to control it etc.

    • janc1955 says:

      They also seem to think “networking” is the job, regardless of what position they hold. In my experience, AA organization “leaders” are all about networking. Networking for influence, networking for freebies, networking to get others to do the actual work, networking to scratch backs and get their backs scratched, and networking for the next promotion/job they’ll move on to when their utter lack of performance in their current job becomes too obvious to ignore.

  25. doodahdaze says:

    The misconduct in a public office is hers. She willfully and falsely lied to a magistrate in order to obtains arrests. She should be arrested and charged with obstruction of justice, misconduct in office, hindering, and witness intimidation, among others. This is problematic.

    • bofh says:

      Good luck with that. She was elected. Elections have consequences. She’s not going away. We are no longer a country of laws, all the way from the top downwards.

  26. Dean says:

    This shows a level of incompetency on the part of a “prosecutor” which is inexcusable. This is another in a long series of put up jobs. By virtue of the fact that her husband is marching up and down the streets with the “no justice, no peace” crowd is enough to taint her judgment.

  27. mickie says:

    springstreet, has any news organization reported on this since the officer on Kelly file said it was a drug transaction? She’s the only show I have seen it on.

  28. The Baltimore Six are being KNIFONGED

    • waltherppk says:

      The Baltimore Six got “justice” coming because Black Lies Matter !!!!
      So what if the accusations of brutality and oppression are NOT TRUE !!!
      No one should miss the point the accusations possibly could have been true.
      And THAT possibility is an unacceptable commentary on the world,
      where it could only have been true because of the LACK of social justice.
      Once ALL BLACKS have TRUE social justice then all the BLACK LIES
      demanding social justice special entitlements as affirmative action
      pumped up on steroids will no longer be necessary.
      Anybody can see how that works, and if they can’t it is only because they are
      a rayciss bigot and a hater. What good person could be against social justice?

    • flaladybug says:

      I think I’m gonna have a T-shirt made that reads…..* FREE THE BALTIMORE SIX * !!!! Of course, I’ll never be able to wear it outside of my home without being fearful of being jumped but….FREE THE BALTIMORE SIX !!!! 😉

  29. Mentalist says:

    Billy Murphy, the attorney representing the family of Freddie Gray has been telling the media (both local and national) for at least two weeks prior to States Attorney Mosby’s announcement of charges that the arrest of Freddie Gray was an illegal arrest or “take-down”. It wouldn’t surprise me if Murphy had the ear of Mosby or higher-ups in the SA office.

    • ackbarsays says:

      Murphy was one of Mosby’s biggest campaign supporters.

      • Mentalist says:

        Yep. Not only did he contribute to her campaign, but she sat on her transition team. BTW, a little back story – the person she ran against and unseated, Gregg Bernstein was Jewish. Bernstein happened to unseat a black woman by the name of Patricia Jessamy (known around town as “Plea Bargain Pat”) who was completely inept and incompetent as a State’s Attorney known for plea bargaining out or failing to prosecute certain cases. Her ultimate downfall was handling of the Zach Sowers case (man robbed and beaten to death in front of his home in a gentrified neighborhood by four thugs with priors). Being that Baltimore is a majority black city, Bernstein being States’ Attorney did not sit well with a lot of the BGI in town, who recruited Mosby to run against him.

    • Monroe says:

      Defense should have PI’s follow Mosby and Murphy to catch inappropriate communication. Shoot, with the overwhelming hubris M&M probably wouldn’t even try to hide it. Phone records would probably be damning, if legally obtained.

  30. georgiafl says:

    Mosby’s office charged two wrong people – two wrong names, dates of birth, addresses – on their arrest warrants, resulting in police arresting and reporters harassing innocent people –
    Every day with every word and action, Mosby and Mayor Hyphen reveal their racism and show they are unfit for their jobs.

    • jc says:

      Another indication of the incredible low quality of Mosby’s work and the rush to judgement.
      Better get complete copies of these reports as soon as they’re released because I’m sure there will be unannounced edits throughout the process.

  31. John Galt says:

    “the police task force studied the knife and determined it was “spring-assisted,” which does violate a Baltimore code.”
    Citation of case law supporting this proposition? Sporting good stores sell spring assisted knives in the city of Baltimore. Maryland cops have been know to hold errant views regarding knife law.

    • oldiadguy says:

      The charging document shows Gray was charged under Baltimore’s City/County Code 19 59-22 and not Maryland State Statute. What office prosecutes violations of Baltimore City Code?

    • BertDilbert says:

      “How a Knife is Determined to be a Dangerous Weapon
      The case of Savoy v. State in 1964 found that a gravity knife is similar enough to a switchblade that it is a dangerous weapon per se. A switchblade is a knife that opens when the user presses a button. The button releases a spring and the blade extends. A gravity knife is a knife that opens when a user presses the button as well. Instead of a spring, the gravity knife uses the force of gravity to extend the blade. Because of this case, gravity knives are banned in Maryland as well.”
      “This law bans the concealed carry of dangerous weapons and the open carry of dangerous weapons with intent to harm. The law states that dirks, Bowies, throwing stars, and switchblades are types of knives considered to be dangerous weapons per se. The law also says that a penknife without a switchblade can never be a dangerous weapon.”
      If it had qualities that made it fall under a dangerous weapon and it was concealed….
      The officer states one hand spring assist operation.

      • BertDilbert says:

        So my opinion is that if Gray’s knife was tested against Savoy v. State criteria, it would qualify as a dangerous weapon. Since he had a dangerous weapon concealed, there would be a charge for that.

        • BertDilbert says:

          Flick blade qualifies under Savoy ruling! He had a dangerous concealed weapon!
          “The gravity knife found on the appellant was not in good working order, but while it would not open in the normal manner, the blade could be locked in position, apparently with a flick of the wrist,”

          • John Galt says:

            The Legislature did not define “penknife” or “switchblade knife.”3 In Mackall v. State, 283 Md. at 113, 387 A.2d 762, we quoted The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (1969) definition of a penknife as “a small pocketknife, originally used to make or sharpen quill pens.” We noted, however,
            [e]ven if the General Assembly had the dictionary definition in mind when it first enacted the statute in 1886, this concept of a “penknife” had obviously changed when the exception was amended to “penknife without switchblade.” Penknives today are commonly considered to encompass any knife with the blade folding into the handle, some very large.
            283 Md. at 113, n. 13, 387 A.2d 762. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary of the English Language (unabridged) (1981) states that a switchblade knife is “a pocketknife having the blade spring-operated so that pressure on a release catch causes it to fly open [from its position folded in the handle].” Id. at 2314. When open, the blade locks into place and cannot be folded down without the release of a catch on the side of the handle. See sketch in Webster illustrating the definition.4
            In Savoy v. State, 236 Md. 36, 202 A.2d 324 (1964), the question was whether a “gravity knife” was one of the types of knives spelled out in § 36(a). A gravity knife was described “as being similar to a switchblade knife, in that, when a button is pressed, the blade drops out.” Id. at 39, 202 A.2d 324. The gravity knife in that case “was not in good working order, but while it would not open in the normal manner, [by gravity,] the blade[, when opened,] could be locked into position, apparently with a flick of the wrist…. [T]here was no testimony that it was incapable of being used.” Id. Savoy deemed that the question “more properly stated, [was] whether there was sufficient evidence from which the jury could find that the knife constituted a dangerous or deadly weapon.” Id. The Court found that the question was properly submitted to the jury. The “penknife without switchblade” exception was not addressed.

  32. bogeytct says:

    It shouldn’t matter as Heien v North Carolina found that a reasonable misunderstanding of the law is justifiable by police. If the cops reasonably believed the knife met the illegal threshold, they’d be justified in detaining Gray and letting the courts settle it.

      • doodahdaze says:

        Plus the two bike cops had PC to act on the call from the first cop. Then then had to physically restrain him because they had no cop car to put him in right away. That is why they waited for the paddy wagon.

    • doodahdaze says:

      The good faith rule. U.S. v. Leon

    • True Colors says:

      bogeytct — the media seems to be ignoring your point(along with a lot of the public).
      The police did not have to prove that the knife was illegal in order to arrest Freddie Gray.
      They merely needed to show that it was “probable” that an illegal knife was possessed by Gray in order to arrest him. The requirement for the police is relatively low.
      I also find it very troubling for Mosby to declare to the world that the arrest of Gray was illegal. She is not legally empowered to draw that conclusion. Only a judge or jury has the power to decide legal guilt — never a prosecutor.

  33. wondering999 says:

    “State Integrity Rating” from “State Integrity Investigation” sponsored by Public Radio, among other institutions:
    “Overall Grade D-
    Judicial accountability D+”

  34. wondering999 says:

    According to this blog, some administrative salaries in Baltimore are “classified”:
    This Baltimore Sun article is interesting:
    “The Baltimore County school system has some of the highest spending among the state’s districts on top-level administration and has just added a new deputy superintendent at an annual salary of $214,000, even as it plans to cut teaching positions in middle and high schools.”
    I thought that various organizations were complaining about Eva Moskowitz receiving yearly salary of $200,000+ (although only about $80,000 of Moskowitz’ is public funding, the rest comes from donor foundations… and Moskowitz actually gets the job done)

    • wondering999 says:

      Woops, this was supposed to be on the stimulus money thread. Sorry

      • peachteachr says:

        OOPS, I jumped right in with you wondering. I apologize to the others posting here, too.

    • peachteachr says:

      This is where tax payer money is being wasted in public education. Another superintendent is going to make $80,000 while classroom teaching positions are being cut. Since facts are indeed stubborn things, there’s not much need to pour all these dollars into education other than to replace materials that are worn out and building upkeep. I’m sorry to take a right turn on this post but education suffers under the weight of affirmative action, too.

  35. littlelaughters says:

    I see a pretty clear cut case of Malicious Prosecution… Sue her.

  36. Dixie says:

    Mosby is being deconstructed by her own personal investigative unit
    Be nice to your coworkers on the way UP because you might just meet them again on the way DOWN.

  37. manickernel says:

    Oh snap. Got blocked from the #baltimoreuprising and related feeds for saying nasty things about Mosby.

    • manickernel says:

      Well I can still post to #Baltimore, guess I will call her dumb and haughty on there too. So much for free speech.

      • Les says:

        Her mom had her at 16. Doubt she was married at 15. Be sure to throw that in if you get bored.

  38. ackbarsays says:

    The Baltimore prosecutor has created a major problem for herself if this knife issue works out in the favor of the officers. Let me explain.
    The three officers who made the initial contact with Freddie Gray were the three white officers. Because Mosby’s charges are unequivocal that the injury to Freddie Gray happened AFTER he was placed in the van and during the transport, the only way she could possibly include those officers among her charges was if she could say the knife itself was legal. Of course, we all know that even if the knife was legal, that doesn’t make an officer who mistakenly arrested someone guilty of “false imprisonment” but that’s another issue.
    If the knife was indeed ILLEGAL, and the officers who arrested Freddie acted within the law in apprehending him and arresting him, then what are we left with? THREE BLACK OFFICERS. Porter, White, and Goodson were the officers who either transported or checked on Freddie during the ride to central booking.
    Mosby has set herself up to be in severe conflict with the black community should charges against the three white officers be dropped.

    • manickernel says:

      If that arrest is found to be valid, then it is only because of institutionalized racism, don’t ‘cha know?

    • Disgusting racial tactics. Mosby must go to prison over this travesty.

    • goodoldboy66 says:

      Agreed on the separation of responsibility btwn apprehension and transportation.
      It appears that Lt. Rice has received higher charges because he was physically on site at one of the later stops (despite not being in proximity to Gray at the stop). Further, it was also stated that he instructed/ told/ asked the driver to stop (at first stop post loading) before going to Central Booking.
      Why he would do this is unknown. This request, if true, (for Rice at least) shoots down the plausible defense that all (3) apprehending officers expected the driver to proceed directly to central booking (5 minutes) versus the circuitous (45 minute) route.
      The other (2) apprehending officers should/ will use the reasonable ‘direct delivery’ expectation to sever themselves from the transport portion (which is where Gray suffered mortal injuries).

      • A Thinker says:

        But if Gray was uninjured when he went in the van, and Rice didn’t know of a subsequent injury, what’s unreasonable about having the van stop to pick up others on the way back to the station? It would save time and taxpayer money.

    • BertDilbert says:

      If the 3 white officers are removed by the knife issue, then this is reduced to a black on black crime.

      • goodoldboy66 says:

        She’s trying hard to add ‘white Rice’ to the wagon escapade.

      • Les says:

        Nah, she’ll try to get them for putting him on the floor of the wagon. It won’t matter that he was being uncooperative.
        She can’t prosecute for a policy, but she’ll try. We’ll hear the seat belt thing again. It’s all she has left.

    • True Colors says:

      The three officers who made the initial contact with Freddie Gray were the three white officers. Because Mosby’s charges are unequivocal that the injury to Freddie Gray happened AFTER he was placed in the van and during the transport, the only way she could possibly include those officers among her charges was if she could say the knife itself was legal.

      I have been thinking this exact same thing.
      The police who made the original arrest can (rightfully) claim that they handed off Freddie Gray to the van drivers and then they were disconnected from anything which happened after that. There is a clean break there.
      Mosby cannot allow this break to happen. So in order for her to keep the original officers connected to the death, she will be forced to claim that the original officers made an illegal arrest, and this set into motion a chain of events which ultimately resulted in Gray’s death.
      This was a calculated move all the way.

    • Sandra says:

      Mosby is blaming Garrett, Nero, and Rice for Gray’s death because they removed him from the van at Baker Street, shackled him, and placed him back in the van on his stomach, unrestrained. She says Gray was injured after Baker Street because he was unrestrained and Goodson was apparently driving in a criminally negligent manner (per charge of Vehicular Manslaughter).

      • dizzymissl says:

        Garrett Miller and Nero do not have manslaughter charges.

        • Sandra says:

          You’re right. Miller is charged with assault. (I didn’t look at Nero’s charges.) So if Gray was injured after the Baker Street stop as Mosby claims, when did Miller assault Gray ?

  39. LibSick says:

    When is someone going to stand up and say that this man was a career criminal, well-known to the police, and a hostile arrestee? He was not on the street looking for a cure for cancer; he was on the street to sell drugs to black kids, helping to perpetuate the climate of hopelessness and helplessness. Is it a travesty to have him off the street?

    • manickernel says:

      They all know that, it does not matter.

      • Sandra says:

        That’s right, it never matters. The so-called”police brutality” incidents never involve normal productive black citizens. The BGI is forced to protest on behalf of the dregs.

    • georgiafl says:

      This is really about Black Guilt – the black community and parents (like Trayvon’s and Mike Brown’s and Kendrick Johnson’s parents) doing a poor job of rearing these young black kids who turn out to be violent offenders, drug dealers and users, burglars and irresponsibly producing multiple children by multiple women that they never provide for or teach right from wrong. This travesty/tragedy has continued for multiple generations since the beginning of welfare.

      • peachteachr says:

        I think you hit the nail on the head, georgiafl. Who would want this life for themselves or their children? During my career teaching, every parent wanted a better life for their child than they had; some were just better at setting achievable goals than others. No matter what color you are, you would not choose this type of life.

      • manickernel says:

        Not saying there is no feeling of guilt, but if it is there it is buried in the deep subconscious. All we see is anger, resentment, and blaming others.

        • janc1955 says:

          Not sure it’s buried. It’s just that no one calls them on their stuff, so they just keep running the game. And sometimes there’s a financial payoff on top of not having to accept responsibility for serving up their children to the streets. No one points a finger at them or challenges them publicly about their criminally irresponsible “parenting” practices.

      • karmapos15 says:

        We’ll said….my thoughts exactly. …

      • karmapos15 says:

        We’ll said….my thoughts exactly. …

      • rumpole2 says:

        I dunno… To experience “guilt” you have to be able to think “inwardly” and honestly and comprehend.
        If there is the seed of guilt, resolution of Cognitive Dissonance utilizes Transference… fueling claims of White privilege.

  40. goodoldboy66 says:

    “Hoist by one’s own petard” as my Grandmother would say.

  41. czarowniczy says:

    Have any of you known a social revolution that wasn’t accomplished through the judicious and strategic use of lies and misdirection? The object is to placate and/or confuse the opposition while the smaller force of cultural termites gnaws at the society’s underpinnings.
    I think most of us knew even before the players read their script that lies, half-truths and misdirections would be forthcoming, this isn’t about social justice it’s about social CHANGE. Dissembling to the targets of the revolution, be they kafir or blue-eyed devils, is a perfectly acceptable battle tactic when applying Change You Can Believe In.

    • smiley says:

      THIS is exactly right, Czar.
      and its in full-court-press mode right about now.
      seems to me some battle lines are being drawn.

  42. A Thinker says:

    As I noted before, this is “smoking gun” of the charges. Two phases, the arrest, and the transport. Three white officers involved in the arrest, three black officers involved in the transport. She couldn’t charge a white officer unless she claimed the arrest to be “illegal”. If the knife was illegal, which the investigatoion report supports, then Miller and Nero can’t be charged, because the arrest was correct. Even if a court later determines that the spring assist wasn’t illegal, Miller and Nero have at least mistake, supported by the investigation report. No basis for the charges on the record. Rice is at least a bit more confusing, as he may have met with the van later, but this was apparently the stop where White and Porter checked Gray, and didn’t request medical, From what I’ve seen, there is no support that Rice actually checked Gray at the later stop, just was present. If Rice wasn’t involved in checking Gray, again, no basis for a manslaughter charge. Thus, no basis for the charges against the only white defendants. Her charges are thus unsupported by the record, and were obviously done only so that she could claim to have charged white officers.
    This isn’t to say that Goodman, Porter, and White committed murder or manslaughter, but it does unravel the major part of the narrative. At least Porter, Rice, Williams, and Nero were named just so she would be able to go on TV and say she charged white officers.

    • BertDilbert says:

      My opinion is that once the prisoner is delivered and inserted into the transport vehicle, the care and custody of that prisoner becomes primary responsibility of the operator of the vehicle. Just as a trucker or ship captain accepts cargo.

      • A Thinker says:

        Absolutely. Williams and Nero had no further control, at worst, Rice was at a later stop. If the arrest was “lawful”, then at least Nero and Williams are clearly out of it.

  43. art tart says:

    Maybe Davey, the Defense Attorney for one of the Officers, but has been a spokesperson for all of the Officers will call a news conference to point out Mosby lied, the knife was illegal.

  44. Ziiggii says:

    SD, I think there is one thing that may need a correction in your article. There seems to be 2 separate investigations going on at the same time. The BPD has a Task Force investigating made up of officers seemingly not aligned with the Mosby narrative and the BCSD has another investigating group that is more aligned with Mosby.
    See Bob’s comment with link from yesterday and my emphasis below it.
    I might have missed something over night, but as of yesterday it seemed very clear that there were 2 separate investigation groups and the BPD “Task Force” were the ones actually looking at the facts. Not trying to make the facts fit the narrative which seems to be what the Sheriff’s group is doing. There is a quote that the BPD Task Force was surprised by Mosby’s charges on Friday given their investigation was still on going.

    • Ziiggii says:

      I might be mistaken with my comment above as I just found that I missed an article late last night with more information, but it is my understanding that the “Task Force” = BPD investigation and BCSD’s investigation group is just “independent investigators” quoted in the Sun article. So the Task Force (BPD) is the group leaking that the knife was illegal by Baltimore statute and contradicts Mosby’s vague statement of the knife being legal by Maryland law in presser on Friday. (note the use of Maryland statute not Baltimore law which she is “hired” to prosecute )
      It would not make sense that the BCSD investigative group contradict Mosby claims on the knife if their sole purpose is to help control the “facts” as it relates to the narrative.

    • Ziiggii says:

      from the Sun article by Justin George:

      Later on Friday, Mosby said the charges were the result of prosecutors working 12- and 14-hour days alongside police investigators. She also said prosecutors had been working on a “parallel investigation” that included using city sheriff’s deputies.
      “This was not something that was quick, fast and in a hurry,” she said. “We reviewed hundreds of hours of camera footage and statements. This is something we worked really hard to get to the bottom of.”
      Still, plenty of items remained on the police task force’s checklist. Members soon were back to their investigation.
      2 different investigative groups and seems the BPD group is the one undermining Mosby’s account of the knife.

    • doodahdaze says:

      Until Obama is out and not replaced by the Beest or a RINO she will have a field day.

    • True Colors says:

      Donald, the Malcom X comment will follow Marilyn Mosby for the rest of her career as a prosecutor, however long that lasts.
      If anyone ever wants to challenge her for wrongful prosecution then “exhibit A” will be this video with her Malcom X comments. This could be held against her for many years to come.

  45. goodoldboy66 says:

    African Activist & Baltimore State’s Attorney: Marilyn J. ‘Man-Pants’, ‘Boy Britches’, ‘Mostly Black’ Mosby thinks she’s going to win large at the baccarat table – but actually she just got three card monty’ed by her own task farce race card dealers on the seminal false charge of illegal arrest.
    Granma L’retta be a’ comin chile she gonna bail u out.
    “Facts be damned – this is our time – any which way we can!”

  46. Sandra says:

    I do hope that the officers’ attorneys are all aware of this important bit of information. How many of the charges are based on the knife ? False Imprisonment, for sure. Misconduct in Office ?
    By the way, I noticed that among Goodson’s plethora of charges is Vehicular Manslaughter. So Mosby is stating right there that Gray was killed because Goodson drove the van in a “criminally negligent manner”. Where is the evidence of this ? Any videos of him careening around corners, slamming on the brakes, or riding up over curbs ??
    Wouldn’t it be better to try all of the officers at the same time ? It would highlight the contradictions of Mosby’s charges.

    • doodahdaze says:

      The last thing that Baltimore, or any other place on earth, needs is more community policing, sentencing reform and political pandering to violent mobs. But pro-criminal politicians like Obama want to make Baltimore worse while turning the rest of the country into Baltimore. What would that look like?

    • georgiafl says:

      “The muggers and looters, the thugs and criminals, are not disenfranchised or forgotten, no matter how often the media tells you that. We see their smirks and hear their voices all the time. It’s their victims who are brushed aside and forgotten. We are told to sympathize with criminals and forget their victims.
      A moral society doesn’t sympathize with criminals. It sympathizes with their victims. It doesn’t license criminality because it cares about the people who suffer when criminals run wild. “

      • Betsy Ross says:

        That quote is so succinct, georgiafl.

      • Les says:

        The mayor forgot to mention that her cousing was also killed in Baltimore in 2013. She dropped the ball and let Mosby steal her thunder.

      • doodahdaze says:

        Communist-Infiltrated Organizations
        Sec. 7. (a) Section 3 of the Subversive Activities Control Act of 1950 (50 U. S. C. 782) is amended by inserting, immediately after paragraph (4) thereof, the following new paragraph:
        ”(4A) The term ‘Communist-infiltrated organization’ means any organization in the United States (other than a Communist-action organization or a Communist-front organization) which (A) is substantially directed, dominated, or controlled by an individual or individuals who are, or who within three years have been actively engaged in, giving aid or support to a Communist- action organization, a Communist foreign government, or the world Communist movement referred to in section 2 of this title, and (B) is serving, or within three years has served, as a means for (i) the giving of aid or support to any such organization, government, or movement, or (ii) the impairment of the military strength of the United States or its industrial capacity to furnish logistical or other material support required by its Armed Forces: Provided, however, That any labor organization which is an affiliate in good standing of a national federation or other labor organization whose policies and activities have been directed to opposing Communist organizations, any Communist foreign government, or the world Communist movement, shall

  47. mikeH says:

    Anybody else bugged by the “spring assisted” knives being illegal? That stupidity needs to be repealed.

    • John Galt says:

      (1) I don’t think that they are illegal in Baltimore. (2) I am bothered by all libtard infringements of the 2nd Amendment.

    • czarowniczy says:

      Laws limiting access to ‘assisted opening’ knives were largely a knee jerk reaction to the 40s/50s Hollywood movies featuring leather-jacketed thugs using switchblades to cause immediate death to anyone even touched by one. I can remember switchblades for sale, in the 50s, in 5-and-dime stores in downtown West Palm Beach. In Germany in the 60s all the cool kids in high school (until we were caught) carried them. In the military I carried on in the neat little pocket on my flight suit’s leg – as long as I left it in my locker and didn’t carry it off-base.
      The stated reason for banning assisted-opening knives was the fear that the user could get it deployed before the intended victim could…what? Most are so shoddily made that the main reason for not carrying one is to protect the person carrying it. But, like the solid-plastic undetectable handgun that has been legislated against – a truly functional one does not exist. I say that the Crocodile Dundee scenario where the thug pulls out a knife and Dundee pulls out that short sword (or a Glock) would serve the cause more effectively than legislation.

      • michellc says:

        Oklahoma just repealed their switchblade law.
        I heard an attorney and one of the people who had been pushing for the law to be repealed on the radio talking about it. One of the things the pro-repeal guy said was that it was a knee-jerk, antiquated law. The attorney said that 90% of our federal and state laws are knee-jerk laws and over 70% are antiquated laws, but that you don’t go repealing laws without careful consideration just because they were knee-jerk reactions or are now antiquated.
        The pro-repeal guy cracked me up when he replied, “yeah because repealing those laws aren’t good for liberal attorneys’ business.”
        The attorney said it actually was because usually there is another law in the books that contradicts the new law.
        The pro-repeal guy said then maybe we needed to throw out the books and start over from scratch using only the U.S. Constitution as a guideline and put the lawyers out of business.
        The attorney being an attorney said, “the Constitution was only as good as the judge or lawmaker interpreting it, so lawyers would always be in business even if the only laws on the book were the Constitution.”
        Our founding Fathers I don’t think realized someday people would become stupid and not be able to read and comprehend plain English.

    • manickernel says:

      I agree the law is antiquated. It is still the law though and cops use these “nuisance” charges to pull in someone they cannot hold otherwise, in this case someone running from a drug deal.
      On the other hand, you can openly walk around in MD with a Samurai sword as long as it is not concealedt, so what’s the issue? 😉

    • Anton says:

      Gray was a felon.

    • DimFizz says:

      That’s not the point (hee-hee). If the prosecutor bases her case on a false arrest because the knife illegal… then her whole case crumbles.

  48. georgiafl says:

    Is it true that Freddie Gray, because he was a convicted felon, was not allowed to carry a weapon (gun or knife)?

    • BobNoxious says:

      Felons are usually only prevented from carrying firearms (and ammo; yes, they do charge felon in possession of ammo only) but not knives.

      • manickernel says:

        Now in DC the laws are a bit different. Angry wife.
        The police found no guns in the house, but did write on the warrant that four items were discovered: “One live round of 12-gauge shotgun ammunition,” which was an inoperable shell that misfired during a hunt years earlier. Mr. Witaschek had kept it as a souvenir. “One handgun holster” was found, which is perfectly legal.
        “One expended round of .270 caliber ammunition,” which was a spent brass casing. The police uncovered “one box of Knight bullets for reloading.” These are actually not for reloading, but are used in antique-replica, single-shot, muzzle-loading rifles.
        Read more:
        Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

        • czarowniczy says:

          Lists of seized items are frequently expanded on as it gives the search a nice finished touch to much of the public that doesn’t have the foggiest about what the items are. The items above I DC the expended case of a cartridge is considered a round of ammunition for ‘throwing your butt in jail reasons, and the bullets (even though sold for loading into a black powder arm) could be loaded into shotgun shells or metallic cartridges. This is one of those cases where the police make an arrest under their interpretation of an existing law and it’s up to a judge to decide if their decision meets his interpretation of the laws. DC’s laws are purposely vague allowing activist judges to apply them as they will. Constitution!? We don’ need no stinkin’ Constitution.

      • Anubis says:

        If on probation or parole no knives can be carried. Otherwise see the law in your state.

  49. nivico says:
    If you check William Murphy’s campaign contributions, he didn’t just donate money to Mosby’s campaign, he gave substantially more money to Mosby’s campaign than any other candidate except for Anthony Brown (Lt. Governor).

  50. nivico says:

    The family’s attorney was interviewed this morning about the conflict of interest… he claims there is no conflict and invites someone in the press to point the conflict out to him.

    • talkaftercarefulthought says:

      just a little food for thought that I didn’t understand until halfway through the trayvon fiasco.. Huff and Puff is able to charge more for their ads based on the number of hits they get. Not only are they a flaming source of frustration but everytime anyone visits any huffpo page they’re putting money in their coffers.. I quit cold turkey the second I understood that

      • Justice_099 says:

        Yep. All I get from going there is high blood pressure. I self-banned myself a long time ago. There is absolutely nothing of value on there that I couldn’t read somewhere else.

      • nivico says:

        Make an exception this time 😉
        The video of the hosts grilling the Gray family attorney, Grandpa Munster, is priceless… the one host jokingly remarks under her breath that the attorney should be working for the Clinton’s.
        And she’s right… for an attorney as experienced as Murphy is (he used to be a judge, too, for gosh sakes) to feign ignorance about the appearance of impropriety and conflict of interest is very much an “It depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is.” moment.

        • realitycheck says:

          It is also interesting : ” His father, William H. Murphy, Sr. was one of the first African American judges to preside in Baltimore, as well as the state of Maryland. The elder Murphy was a staunch civil rights supporter and a test case for integration at the University of Maryland Law School. “Even as the son of a judge, segregation was an up-close and personal thing for me,” says Judge Murphy. The injustices that he experienced as a young man were formative, inspiring him to undertake a lifelong fight for the rights of under-represented communities.”
          He seems to walk the old “pass as white” line sometimes, as well

  51. manickernel says:

    The story about Lynch going to Baltimore. I have a feeling we are about see some more “children” get slapped. 🙂

    • JohnP says:

      There will definitely be some lecturing going on behind closed doors. Obama has got everything working the way he wants it to, and no two bit prosecutor is going to spoil it by mishandling this case.

  52. TNman says:

    Well if that info is correct then that knife was ‘illegal’ according to Baltimore laws per the above info. Of course that law is completely asinine but it is the law. And this whole debacle has been handled in an ‘assinine’ manner by the racist politicians pandering to the bgi. Big zero and accomplices make events much worse and racial divides much wider by their actions and statements.

  53. oldiadguy says:

    The charging document shows Gray was charged under Baltimore’s City/County Code 19 59-22 and not Maryland State Statute. The District Court of Maryland for Baltimore City is the court where the offense would be heard. The charging document was signed off by a Court Commissioner with ID #1347.
    The charging documents for the officers shows they were charged under Maryland’s criminal code. Their charges were also going to be initially heard in the District Court of Maryland for Baltimore City. Their charging document was also signed by a Court Commissioner with ID #1169.
    The following is from the Maryland Courts website.
    “File a police report – File a report with your local police department. If the police file charges, the court and Office of State’s Attorney will become involved automatically.”
    This is from the Baltimore City’s State Prosecutor’s website.
    “The Office of the State’s Attorney for Baltimore City is responsible for the investigation and prosecution of all crimes committed with the confines of Baltimore. This includes everything from traffic violations to homicides.”
    If you go the Basic Criminal Justice Flow Chart page, you will see the following under Police Make Arrest column.
    “States Attorney either agrees to formal charges against the arrestee or signs for charges to be dropped and the person released.”
    The point I’m trying to make is Mosby’s office was involved in Gray’s arrest hours after Gray was arrested. Someone from her office reviewed the case against Gray, found probable cause and approved charging Gray for violation of the Baltimore City Code – Switch Blade Knife. I don’t know the procedures in Baltimore, but in St. Louis, if it was a knife charge, the officer would bring the knife to the warrant office to confirm it met the statutory requirements.
    Now weeks later, she acts like the charge was just now being reviewed for the first time. It was her office that approved the charge in the first place!

    • BobNoxious says:

      Was Gray considered to be “in custody” once he was taken to the hospital?
      I honestly do not know the answer the answer to the question. Have any of the docs surrounding Gray’s arrest been been released?

      • oldiadguy says:

        I would have to believe once he was arrested and charged, he would remain in custody until released on a summons or made bond.
        When we arrested a subject that was confined to the hospital, we would x-book them, showing they were confined at the hospital. An officer would remain with them until the charge was “issued” at which time the prisoner would become the responsibility of the Sheriff’s Department.
        In some cases when the prisoner, such as in Gray’s case who was not an escape risk, we would place a hold order on him with the hospital, who would contact the Department when he was going to be released, so he could be taken to processing and physically booked.
        Since this was a Baltimore City charge, I suspect Gray was released on a summons, at least on paper.
        It would be helpful if we had a Treeper from the BPD who would have direct knowledge concerning their procedures.

    • True Colors says:

      If someone in Mosby’s office did approve criminal charges to be filed against Gray for the knife, then that would obviously undermine her public claim that the knife was legal.

      • oldiadguy says:

        That’s what I think. We had “warrant officers” from the prosecutor’s office who would review the case and make the decision to file a charge or not. From what I’ve read, I suspect the Baltimore City State Attorney’s Office has something similar.

      • Her claim has no validity whatsoever.

    • jc says:

      Logically the person in Mosby’s office that approved the knife charge should be also charged with an illegal arrest,maybe conspiracy too LOL.
      Speaking of conspiracy , how about some conspiracy charges for bringing false charges against the 6 cops. There must have been people in Mosby’s organization saying “you can’t do this”. We need some whistleblowers.

      • oldiadguy says:

        Here is something to think about. Remember how the warrants for Alicia White and Brian Rice had the wrong pedigree information. The name and pedigree information was for none involved civilians and not the officers involved in this case.
        When were those warrants cancelled and new warrants issued with the correct information. The reason I’m curious is we know the officers surrendered, were booked and made bond. On what warrant were White and Rice booked on.
        The warrants showing a different person as being wanted or a new corrected warrant. I suppose they got a new warrant issued before booking, but what if they didn’t catch the error. Would that make the arrest of Brian Rice and Alicia White illegal.
        It would be interesting to know.

      • bofh says:

        “Logically the person in Mosby’s office that approved the knife charge should be also charged with an illegal arrest,maybe conspiracy too LOL.”
        Not just conspiracy. Based on the nonsensical charging of the bike cops, this person should also be charged with manslaughter, bad performance, loss of services, and a balk.

    • DT says:

      Excellent point.

  54. dizzymissl says:

    Baltimore’s Hasty Prosecutor
    Author: Page Croyder spent nearly 21 years with the Baltimore State’s Attorney’s Office before retiring from that agency in January, 2008.

    • jc says:

      excerpt from above – she can be sued, she don’t need no stinkin immunity!
      How about Mosby’s own mistake? Her case against the two arresting officers rests upon an “illegal arrest.” She says the knife for which Freddie Gray was arrested was legal. But the police task force examined it and said the officers were indeed correct, the knife was spring-assisted and therefore prohibited. Mosby herself appears to have made an “illegal” arrest, and could be arrested under her theory of false imprisonment. And sued to boot, since she forfeited her immunity from civil action by doing the charging herself.

      • Justice_099 says:

        Even if the knife were legal, “False imprisonment” is a civil action that could result in termination or other disciplinary action perhaps, but as far as I can tell, there is no criminal “false imprisonment” applied to officers of the law.
        Those two officers were not citizens. I have no idea where she got the idea she could charge them with that.

      • True. The difference is, even if the cops were mistaken about Gray’s knife (and they weren’t), they had probable cause to make an arrest. Mosby lied about the lawfulness of the arrest to make her unlawful arrests of Gray. Even if she didn’t lie about the knife (she did), and even if the knife was legal under MD law (maybe it was, maybe not), she lied about the relevant BALTIMORE law and the probable cause the cops had for arresting Gray. She’s a liar and a criminal.

      • Andy says:

        It should be noted that a spring assisted knife and a switchblade are two different types of knives.
        A switchblade utilizes a button to release the blade that is spring loaded. The average switchblade can only be opened by pressing the button. I’m not going to discuss other types of automatic knives.
        A spring assested knife has a spring providing pressure on the blade and no release button but relies on a pre-set distance of blade travel from the closed position. I use a “pocket” knife that is faster to open than an automatic or a spring assisted knife and is much more secure and better built.
        In Maryland my pocket knife and spring assisted knives are both legal to carry, I have a few automatics that stay in my home as part of my collection. This is also legal in MD.
        Did the knife in question qualifiy as an automatic, requiring a press of a button or slide of a release mechanism. If so it is illegal to carry concealed or open.

        • Technically a switch blade is spring opening knife. It’s the degree of assist that varies. Switch blades use 100% spring energy to open. Other knifes use less that 100 %, which is what defines them as spring assist.
          A spring assist knife can be designed to require less user energy to open than a switch blade requires to be applied to its switch to release the blade.

    • Starrdustt says:

      This is an excellent article, worth the read. Thanks for posting it.

  55. John Galt says:

    Justice for Freddie! Repeal Fascist Knife Laws! Justice for Freddie!

  56. BobNoxious says:

    AG Loretta Lynch met w/ Gray’s family and the family attorney today.

  57. triper57 says:

    There are enough laws on the books that anyone arrested can be charged for a crime even though they may not have been originally arrested for that crime.
    And if you look at the fleeing from the officer, that confirms that the officer has probable cause to suspect that a crime has been committed and give chase.

    • Justice_099 says:

      Technically aren’t you arrested first and then charged later? That’s supposed to be the whole 24 hour thing. Since Freddie never reached the point of being charged at all, I’m not sure what the police can be charged with.
      There are numerous examples of people arrested at political protests and then simply let after 24 hours. They were never intended to be charged, they just wanted them out of the way for a while.
      People can sue for that, but because of the way the law is structured, it is not criminal.

  58. strat4evr says:

    When an individual is hired e.g. a police officer etc. or elected e.g. a politician or State prosecutor, these individuals are elevated to a position of power “over” an average working, tax paying, american citizen. The key word here is power. I am white, by color, and have in my 66 years of life have encountered a few of arrogant police officers whose attitude toward me was not only unjustified but quite literally abusive. I ended up saying yes sir no sir to avoid a no win situation for me even though I had legally done nothing wrong. The point I am attempting to make here is that no average working, tax paying american citizen regardless of color is immune to abuse by those who will use their power to abuse simply because they can. In the failed attempt of abuse of power in the Trayvon Martin case, in the failed attempt of power of abuse in the Michael Brown case and now in the failed attempt of power of abuse in the Baltimore fiasco is solid proof that elected or appointed officials who have the “power” to ignorantly effect stupidity and lies on our own national United States of America homeland all the while ignorantly ignoring the fact that Democrats aka Obama cares less about the average working, tax paying American citizen than any patriot, kind hearted,, intelligent and informed american on this planet.I thank you Sundance and all of your protectors of your tree.,

  59. Justice_099 says:

    I point out that the whole “false imprisonment” is a civil thing and not a criminal thing to demonstrate that one major factor in her charges is to set the stage for a wrongful death case. Those false imprisonment charges won’t be on whatever she submits to a judge. They would probably laugh at her.

    • nivico says:

      I’m pretty sure ‘false imprisonment’ would be a criminal violation under the 5th and 14th amendments… no person shall be deprived of liberty without due process of law.
      Findlaw states that it is both a criminal and civil offense and that “Even the police may be charged with false imprisonment if they exceed their authority (such as detaining someone without justification).”

      • Justice_099 says:
        “Police Privilege
        In all states, police officers have the right to detain someone they have probable cause to believe has engaged in wrongdoing, or when they believe a crime has been committed.”
        Notice how that is worded. If the knife could even be debated for more than a minute to have been legal or not, it means he had probable cause. That’s for the court to decide, not the cop. There is a knife law. If there had been absolutely no knife laws and he arrested him for having a knife, THAT would be without justification.
        Every cop who ever arrests anyone that turns out later to be proven innocent would need to go to jail if we tried to apply this.
        “Conversely, things that do not constitute false imprisonment may include:
        A claim that you were falsely imprisoned simply because you were found innocent of a crime”
        It would be nearly impossible to ever charge a cop for flase imprisonment, unless like I said above that there was no law at all for what he was arresting you for.
        False imprisonment is also defined this way:
        “an unreasonable amount of time” the law defines that unreasonable amount of time for the police to be beyond 24 hours.
        Lastly, Freddie was never actually charged with anything because he didn’t make it that far.
        Put simply, these charges will be immediately thrown out. They have no reasonable chance of meeting the burden of proof for them.

        • goodoldboy66 says:

          It seems I’ve come across reference(s) to there being expanded probable cause considerations for known drug or crime areas/ locations. If he ran from LE while in a ‘known zone’ and being a known recidivist that seems to provide the requisite probable cause for chase.
          Upon finding a knife with plausible undetermined legality, the police should error on the side of caution and bring him in. Then if it was determined to be legitimately ‘legal’ at booking or station by other powers that be – it could be addressed by subsequent dropping of charges and release.
          As a recidivist criminal with possible parole conditions (unconfirmed) – it may well be 100% legitimate to arrest him for carrying any weapon (regardless of whether it was legal/ illegal for Joe Schmoe to carry the same weapon).

          • Justice_099 says:

            Right. The whole point is that she would be a fool if she brought these charges before a judge. The amount of effort required for he to prove they illegally arrested him would be a terrible waste of time and resources. Especially given that they aren’t suggesting he was injured during the arrest.
            The streets are not a court. I’d hate to see the bickering over a 3.9″ knife when the law says 4″ is illegal. That’s what we have courts for. But in that case, the person charged would be found not guilty. Does that mean the cop should then be charged with false imprisonment?
            It’s pretty clear to me what false imprisonment means when it comes to police. If they arrested them something for which there was no law at all, that would be a good example. This is not even close.
            It will hurt her more than help her if she tries to take those charges to court. But the goal was simply to come up with something to arrest them on for optics.
            Maybe they should charge HER for false imprisonment for all the charges she drops before the trial.

            • doodahdaze says:

              But Sheppie on FOX is thrilled “the city is much calmer now.”

            • A Thinker says:

              One other benefit to Mosby, every one of those officers had to pay to post bail. Bonds aren’t free. So not only did their reputations get trashed, and their families put at risk, they also suffered direct monetary damages. Yes (and this makes me happy), the groundwork is absolutely laid for civil suits against Mosby (false accusations of criminal action is defamation per se, no?), not to mention false imprisonment etc.

        • nivico says:

          I’m not saying these officers were guilty of false imprisonment… I’m just pointing out that police officers in general can be guilty of false imprisonment.
          The concept of false imprisonment actually used to strictly apply to only law enforcement, but has since been extended to cover the acts of private citizens as well (kidnappers, hostage situations, mall security, etc).

        • bofh says:

          “Lastly, Freddie was never actually charged with anything because he didn’t make it that far.”
          I don’t know – is that true? They can do bedside arraignments in the hospital, and he didn’t technically die for at least several days after the arrest.

    • BertDilbert says:

      By making it an unlawful arrest, Gray has a right to resist and action by the officers becomes assault and false imprisonment. By claiming the knife to be legal, Gray did nothing wrong. Gray is now an angel with a halo on his head. Dindunuffin and murdered in cold blood.

  60. John Galt says:

    Panther Trading Company, Inc. is located in the heart of southwest Baltimore right down the street from the famous Patapsco Flea Market. We are surrounded by other warehouses and a ton of commerce. We ship 99% of our orders out the same day you order them. Any returns should be shipped to the address below.
    Panther Trading Company, Inc.
    2672 West Patapsco Ave.
    Baltimore, MD 21230
    Email: [email protected]
    Phone: 1-866-644-0134
    Fax: 410-644-0136
    Hours: Monday-Friday 10 AM – 7 PM
    So can we expect an immediate raid by the BPD ?

    • Amy says:

      I am trying to catch up on comments, what is this about?

    • BertDilbert says:

      But you can see why the officer would call that knife a switchblade no question.

    • BertDilbert says:

      Here is a better spring assist video showing Knife openings. Basically the only difference is between a button and a lever to operate automatic opening. If I was a cop, I would call it a switchblade under Baltimore law.

      • BertDilbert says:

        Note both knives have clips on them, like the officer described in his report. .No problem clipping in the pocket.

    • Deadhead says:

      Isn’t the false imprisonment charge a way to make it Federal? Violating Civil rights?

    • nivico says:

      If I’m understanding the situation correctly, I think they’re legal to own but not legal to carry concealed (clipped inside the pocket).
      And even a perfectly legal knife becomes illegal if there is probable cause to believe the owner intends to commit an illegal act with it. Remember the whole brouhaha over whether Trayvon’s screwdriver was just a screwdriver or a burglary tool. Under the totality of the circumstances, i.e. being found along with stolen property, it could reasonably be inferred that the intent was for use as a burglary tool. (though I do still wonder if the officer who nabbed Trayvon in the school parking lot actually caught him in the act of trying to break into a vehicle with the screwdriver)
      Under a similar totality of the circumstances evaluation of the Gray knife… he was a known drug dealer carrying a concealed knife. I think we can draw many reasonable inferences from that.

      • John Galt says:

        “If I’m understanding the situation correctly, I think they’re legal to own but not legal to carry concealed”
        The code section in question makes it unlawful to “sell, carry, or possess” and makes no distinction based upon concealment.
        Baltimore Code
        § 59-22. Switch-blade knives.
        (a) Possession or sale, etc., prohibited. It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, carry, or possess any knife with an automatic spring or other device for opening and/or closing the blade, commonly known as a switch-blade knife.
        (b) Penalties. Any person violating the provisions of this section, shall, upon conviction thereof, be fined not more than $500 or be imprisoned for not more than 1 year, or both, in the discretion of the court.

  61. Wayne Whitney says:

    Is a seat belt actually required under the new policy?
    I cannot find the original document but the quotation that keeps appearing clearly does NOT require a seat belt but instead says “all passengers, regardless of age and location, shall be restrained by seat belts or other authorized restraining devices”. The last five words keep getting ignored, but they change the meaning of the policy completely since if we include them the failure to use a seat belt does not, by itself, establish violation of the policy unless there were no “other authorized restraining devices”. But from what I’ve read, it certainly sounds like Freddie Gray was “restrained”, and so the real question is whether or not the restraints used were authorized or not.
    Has anyone seen a copy of the document describing the recent policy change by the Baltimore Police Department, and if so, can you determine whether or not the new policy is being applied correctly?

  62. Amy says:

    What gets me is:
    No one is acknowledging (not here, I mean on TV or even the prosecution) Freddie ran–that right there gave the cops probable cause to chase him because he was arrested before for drugs and that is what the cops were there for. Any cop will tell you: if someone makes eye contact with you and start running of course they are going to chase you.
    For the left nuts, no one is saying what happened to Freddie is not a tragedy. Once again, whole situation could have been avoided had he not ran.

    • Betsy Ross says:

      I’m with you in the scratching-my-head camp, Amy. Why run if you’re innocent? It’s almost automatically going to make law enforcement suspicious. That’s just a given no matter if you’re white/black/purple/yellow/rainbow.
      I was sitting on the sidewalk of my very nice neighborhood, taking a break after a long walk because the weather had turned hot. A policeman asked me why I was sitting on the sidewalk and I told him I had been taking a walk, showed him my I.D. (to show who I was and that I was very near my own address) and he let lie down in the back of his patrol car to cool down.
      People need to understand that a world without a police force watching out for our neighborhoods would be one scary place to live.

  63. Anton says:

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    Tonight, Dr. Christina Jeffrey will be interviewed on Blogtalk Radio’s Andrea Shea King Show about the involvement of Spartanburg, S.C. in the Refugee Resettlement Program and Dr. Jeffrey’s work to shine light into the darkest corners of the program.
    The show will broadcast from 9-10:30 PM (EDT) tonight, Tuesday, May 5, 2015.–dr-christina-jeffrey
    The show will be available in Andrea Shea King’s archive following the live broadcast. The archive can be accessed through the above link.

  64. James F says:

    Funny how no national big media is reporting this.
    They all reported and broadcast Mosby polluting the jury pool when she falsely declared the officers made an illegal arrest. The knife being declared legal was on of their biggest talking points,

  65. nivico says:

    Ooh, I should have known to look at the ABA’s stance on lawyers giving donations to elected judicial officials 😉
    E. The Commission finds that when judges make decisions that
    favor contributors, they may be accused of favoritism.
    The judge who accepts a “contribution” in exchange for giving the contributor
    favorable treatment in a specific case, has committed a form of bribery that will
    subject the judge to disciplinary action for violation of the code of judicial conduct,
    criminal prosecution and removal from office. Such cases of outright bribery are
    rare, but situations in which members of the press or public call attention to what
    they regard as a suspicious correlation between a judge’s campaign contributions and
    the judge’s subsequent, favorable treatment of the contributor, are more common.
    F. The Commission finds a pervasive public perception that
    campaign contributions influence judicial decision-making.
    From the perspective of the public, the media, and many court reform organizations,
    the old adage that “money talks” is accepted wisdom when it comes to assessing
    whether judges are likely to be influenced by the campaign contributions they
    receive. The perception that judges are influenced by the contributors to their
    reelection campaigns is widespread. This “perceived impropriety” does not
    accompany all private contributions. Contributions of inconsequential amounts are
    insufficient to create a reasonable concern that they are capable of buying influence.
    More sizable contributions, however, are a different matter.

  66. bbb says:

    Was Freddie on probation?? If so in most states the possession of a weapon/ knife would be a violation, he would have forfeited his 4th amendment right and should not be in company with know criminal elements or involve in criminal activity. He must submit to questioning at anytime by probation officer or any other law enforcement officer….If so would the officers that first made eye contact known this???? and is this why Freddie ran………ie: probable cause????

  67. Annie says:

    One of the Baltimore police officers who arrested Freddie Gray wants the police department and prosecutor to produce a knife that was the reason for the arrest, saying it was an illegal weapon.

  68. lepanto says:

    Take a look at this knife …

  69. Annie says:

    More details about Officer Edward Nero’s motion to produce the Gray knife.

    • John Galt says:

      Sporting goods store guy gets it right:
      “Many knives have these spring-assisted opening mechanisms but are not the automatic knives prohibited under Maryland law, said Michael Faith, marketing director for Henderson’s Sporting Goods in Hagerstown.
      “An automatic knife means all you do is push a button and the blade pops out,” Faith said. “A lot of knives will have a little spring assist so when you push it open with your thumb, the knife will open up pretty much by itself.”

  70. James F says:

    He specifies state law. I am guessing Hagerstown does not have their own law like Baltimore.
    All fireworks are legal for sale and discharge in my state but almost none are legal in my city, but cops usually look the other way or give warnings on the Fourth of July.

  71. rumpole2 says:

    Apologies to: Rocky Horror Picture Show – Freddie
    Chorus : When Freddie said he didn’t like his teddy
    You knew he was a no good kid
    But when he threatened your life
    With a switch blade knife
    What a guy
    Makes you cry
    And I did

  72. Fallen says:

    oldiadguy: “The point I’m trying to make is Mosby’s office was involved in Gray’s arrest hours after Gray was arrested.”
    No, it wasn’t. That flow chart you’re looking at is a tad misleading. 🙂
    “Someone from her office reviewed the case against Gray, found probable cause and approved charging Gray for violation of the Baltimore City Code – Switch Blade Knife.”
    This is incorrect. Quite often, police officers are free to seek charges on their own as the complainant and don’t consult with anyone else ahead of time before heading to the district court commissioner, and that’s what happened here.
    “It was her office that approved the charge in the first place!”
    No, that’s incorrect.

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