*UPDATE* – There is a distinct possibility the item next to Officer Wilson’s driver door is not a brass bullet casing, but might actually be the bracelet from the right arm of Dorian Johnson seen in the CCTV video of the Ferguson Liquor Mart – We’re currently flushing out that possibility, but it does look likely.
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We have now digested several thousand hours of assembled video -and still imagery- of the scene around the Mike Brown shooting. Here is what the physical evidence is showing so far. (all images can be made larger simply by clicking on them)
Thank You to everyone who continues to research and wade through everything to find the facts.
First it’s important to gain an understanding of the geography. We have selected some common names and nicknames to attribute to particular places, people and venues. Here is a general map to help understand the who’s, what’s and where’s:
To make things easier to explain we are going to summarize that Canfield Dr. runs East and West. Areas to the top of the images are North, and areas below Canfield are South.
Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson were travelling East on Canfield Drive. Officer Wilson was travelling West. Brown and Johnson were essentially walking down the center of the street.
At some point Mike and Dorian crossed paths with Officer Wilson. And, according to all statements from Dorian as well as Wilson as relayed by his friend “Josie”, Officer Wilson slowed down as he passed and told them to get out of the street and on to the sidewalk.
Wilson then began to continue headed West. According to Johnson, the officer stopped, reversed quickly and engaged them again. According to “Josie” this is because the description of two males involved in a strong-armed robbery came through the radio and Wilson noted the two he just passed fit the profile.
As Wilson reversed he passed Brown and Johnson, then turning his steering wheel slightly counter clockwise he cut them off, blocking their path – leaving his SUV essentially diagonal to the center line. (His front bumper facing essentially North, and the rear of his SUV facing South).
At this point a confrontation takes place. I’ll skip the he said / he said and just relay the evidence. Something happened at the vehicle – all accounts verify some sort of struggle ensued, punches were thrown while Wilson was seated (or shoved) back into the vehicle, and a struggle for the officers firearm took place.
At least one shot was fired at this point.
This is a critical juncture, because this is where the physical evidence comes into play.
As you can see there is a brass shell casing next to the Driver Door of Wilson’s SUV. [*update* this item might be a bracelet – under review]
If shell casing(s) this would indicate at least one shot being fired. Additionally you can see the St Louis Cardinal ball cap belonging to “Big Mike” Brown, and what appears to be a package of cigars, or an overturned slide sandal, toward the curbing.
Here is another aspect of the same area:
In the above image note the side view mirror bent forward possibly as part of the struggle at the drivers side. In addition to the three evidence cones at the vehicle you can also see three evidence marking cones in the distance.
(*NOTE* Telephoto lenses can play tricks on distance).
The three evidence markers at the SUV are for (1) the brass shell casing *or bracelet*, (2) the ballcap, and (3) the cigar/sandal. Here’s another perspective:
And pulling back further you can still see them as indicated:
But where is the vehicle in relationship to the Body of Mike Brown ?
For orientation and perspective here’s another overhead map:
Now you might ask what’s the yellow trajectory line of a bullet for ?
Well, there was a bullet recovered from the just above the Ground Floor Window in that building.
Two of the siding panels were removed by police to get the bullet from the wall just above the window:
And if you zoom in on this image taken by local media you can see the location again:
Again, so we can provide orientation without getting too lost here is the primary overview so you can judge distances and scale:
And again with vehicle and location of Big Mike’s body: (two perspectives)
If the image is a shell casing -at the drivers door- this could be the bullet located just above the ground floor window. We can think of no reason for Wilson to fire in that direction once both he and Big Mike were in direct line of sight and opposition to each other (the blue line above).
The most reasonable explanation for the bullet striking the building was that being the shot fired while the struggle for the firearm was taking place.
Witness Piaget Crenshaw lives in the apartment as noted just North of Canfield Dr. Directly between the location of Wilson’s SUV and Mike Brown’s body.
Looking out from her balcony to the right she would see this:
[*Note*:Tiffany Mitchell took this photo from Piaget Crenshaw’s apartment of officer Darren Wilson’s SUV].
Turning left from Piaget Crenshaw’s balcony she would capture this image:
Notice the evidence cones in the picture above, just South of Big Mike’s body. Remember what I said about telephoto lenses causing optical distortions?
Here’s how those same three cones appear from the distance shot of Darren Wilson’s SUV:
Again, perspective matters:
We have identified a total of seven evidence cones: One is a hat, one is a pack of cigars/sandal, and one is at least one shell casing at the drivers door (*or a bracelet), the other 4 we are unsure about.
One of the markers is about mid-way between the SUV and Big Mike’s body.
We can surmise, based on the number of identified shots in the autopsy, some of those markers are additional shell casings from Wilson firing rounds toward an approaching (all frontal) Big Mike.
We’ll expand on the location of the people next, the “high profile” witnesses who have made numerous media rounds. Suffice to say their individual statements don’t come anywhere close to matching the totality of known physical evidence so far. Except for one recorded statement.
One accidentally recorded account.
We call this the “hidden witness” or the “Black Canseco” video because it we picked up on it early – and, so far, this testimonial has withstood scrutiny.
You should listen to it carefully and make up your own mind.
Essentially the witness is saying a fight took place at the SUV, a shot was heard, Big Mike took off running, the officer gave chase, big Mike turned and came back toward the officer, and despite several initial shots – Big Mike kept coming which surprised the witness.
Again for perspective this video was taken on the South side of the street – the witness testimonial is given from the same side.
Big Mike’s body just to the right, Officer Wilson’s SUV down the road to the left. Reference the map again and follow along with the enhanced transcription:
This is an enhanced transcription to the eye witness account located in the background of the Black Canseco U-Tube Video #6 above.
So far all of the physical evidence supports this account.
Witness #1 perception was that the police officer was a bad shot, because Big Mike kept coming at the police officer (listen to the surprised tone/dismay of the witness as he shares his account, as well as the words he is saying).
6:05-6:11 WITNESS 2: They ran right past me as I was goin..coming out the house… the dude with the dred…
6:11 INQUIRER/WITNESS 2: I went back in. [talks over the next line/inquirer]
6:12 INQUIRER: What about him?
6:13 WITNESS 1: That’s the one that ran behind this way here, ’cause he ran up there where we was at, where we live at.
6:18 WITNESS 2: When I came back outside, all I seen was the police …the truck, the dudes, I don’t know what happened.
6:26 INQUIRER: Whose hat is that right there?
WITNESS 1: That’s HIS hat.
6:30 INQUIRER: How did he get from there to here?
6:33 WITNESS 1: Cause he ran. The police was still in the truck.
6:35 INQUIRER: They came this way?
6:37 WITNESS 1: Naw… the police was still in the truck..
6:38 WITNESS 1: Dude was like, I don’t know, runnin this way with his hands fightin to get in that truck …
INQUIRER: Why his body come this way though? [Talking over the below witness statement]
6: 42 WITNESS 1: Yeah, Him and the police was in the truck. They was fighting over the truck right now?
6:47 WITNESS 1: But then he ran. The police got out and ran after him.
6:50 WITNESS 1: The next thing I know, he coming back towards the police.
6:53 WITNESS 1: The police had his gun drawn already.
6:55 INQUIRER: Oh, The police shot the gun ? (background)
6:57 WITNESS 1: Yeah, the police shot him…The police kept dumpin’ it.
7:00 WITNESS 1: I’m thinking that the police missing, like he’s like coming toward the police.
7:05 WITNESS 1: I’m thinkin’ like, there’s more comin’.
[chatter]
7:09 WITNESS 1: The police fired shots, The next thing I know, I think he’s missing!
7:12 INQUIRER: The police shot this dude?
7:14 WITNESS 1: The Police shot him.
7:16 WITNESS 1: Next thing I know, I think he’s missin!
7:18 WITNESS 1: Then the dude started running, coming toward the police.
…..[chatter]
8:18 WITNESS 3: I’m tellin you, I heard like, I heard like 8 shots. It was like 4 and then it was like 4 more.
8:24 WITNESS 3: It was like, pop pop pop pop pop and then it stopped for a minute
pop pop pop.
8:27 WITNESS 1 talking to WITNESS 3: The police was like…After how many times you heard that,
8:30 the police was like at least 10 yards away from this dude, and I’m thinking that…
The dude was still standing.
8:32 WITNESS 1: I’m thinkin that he was missing him!
8:35 WITNESS: but he kept coming towards him.
8:40 WITNESS 1: Then the other dude Broke off running.
8:44 WITNESS 1: His Partner ran through…
[chatter]
8:47 WITNESS 1: His partner ran through here man
You might have to listen several times to train your ear to hear only the speakers, or to segregate out what they are saying from other background noise (and the narrator). Headphones help significantly when listening/reading.
And here’s something we feel is important leading to a greater understanding of conflicting witness testimonials.
EVERYONE who has given a differing account than what is heard in the Black Canseco video was together in the Grassy Knoll area when the media arrived.
All of the eye-witnesses who have given the alarming testimony of Mike Brown being gunned down while hand’s up in surrender – were all physically located together before giving their initial statements.
Indeed many, if not all, of their initial statements were first given to media as the rest of the group listened.
Everyone who has said Big Mike had his “hands up” or anything related to “hands up, don’t shoot” – were all clustered together in a parking lot just West of Piaget’s apartment.
Tiffany Mitchell, Piaget Crenshaw, Michael Brady and Dorian Johnson were all in the same geographic location along with a guy named Anthony Shahid; as was Lesley McSpadden, Big Mike’s mom.
When the media arrived all of these witnesses were together in that area.
This is what it looks like below. This is the grassy knoll area. This is where they gave their initial accounts to the media:
Anthony Shahid is the guy in the green shirt standing behind Dorian Johnson
Seen again here:
And again HERE
And again HERE – As they were all assembled:
But Anthony Shahid is no simple guy in a green shirt. Oh hell no.
This guy is a lifetime card carrying member of the PROFESSIONAL Black Grievance Industry in/around Saint Louis, or in more polite terms “he’s an activists’ activist”:
Lesley McSpadden, mother of slain Michael Brown, (left) and activist Anthony Shahid lead the protest by asking everyone to put their hands up on Sunday evening, Aug. 10, 2014, in Ferguson, at the start of the prayer vigil. Photo by J.B. Forbes,
Anthony Shahid, “the activist”, likes to wear a police style hat!
“The police hat: “I wear the police hat because the police are killing us – and because we need to see more black police leaders.” (link)
You have seen him with every witness who was also on the Grassy Knoll immediately following the shooting. Now watch Anthony Shahid begin the “Hand’s Up, Don’t Shoot” mantra:
Literally on the scene, with Big Mike Brown’s mom at his knees in grief – you see the origin of the montra begin.
And so it continued……
You can see what he’s been up to since – CLICK HERE
We’ll get deeper into the “eye witness” accounts later – but for now the general outline of the physical evidence, in relationship to the subjective accounts, all align in a particular direction.
Summary: Physical evidence seems to contradict the claims of the highly publicized eye witnesses and the attorney’s of Mike Brown’s family – Daryl Parks and Benjamin Crump.
The physical evidence seems to support the “Josie” account of a confrontation and a charging Big Mike, including the Autopsy.
The only way Daryl Parks audio recording can be accurate is if it’s incomplete.
All of the “eye witnesses” speaking on behalf of the Parks and Crump team, were physically together after the shooting as the media arrived and all in conversation with a notorious activist Anthony Shahid. All located on the North side of the street in the grassy knoll.
All of the non-grassy knoll witnesses contradict the statements given by those witnesses who stood around Green Shirt guy Anthony Shahid while awaiting the media and police.
What are the odds ?
Here is the latest article from GotNews about their lawsuit to get Big Mike’s juvenile record opened:
http://gotnews.com/media-covers-reacts-got-news-lawsuit-michaelbrown-juvie-records/
For those who haven’t see the lawsuit documents, they can be found here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/237460782/Lawsuit-to-Release-Michael-Brown-Juvenile-Record
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Okay, in the store robbery video, Johnson is wearing some sort of bracelet on his right wrist.
In the videos of Johnson later at the scene he does not appear to have the bracelet on.
I wonder if that is his bracelet on the ground by the SUV, and not empty brass?
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Okay, I have double checked, and I think that is correct. Bracelet on during the robbery, no bracelet on at the scene of the shooting.
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Hmmm if that is correct then he was a little more involved in the tussel than he let on…..
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That might be the case.
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So his less than truthful retelling started off as CYA….
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Oh that’s good and would tie in with the initial shot (fired in SUV) as being the one that grazed the ball of the right thumb, carrying on, it could well have removed the bracelet thing. Or it could have been solely tussle related
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oh Johnson…ooops, must read more carefully!
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Johnson must have assaulted Wilson too.
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it obviously occurred when the door barely tapped him, but knocked the wind out of him :P
Good stuff LTC!
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Zooming in on it makes it look less and less like brass. Possible excellent catch.
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Good catch… it could very well be a rope bracelet (which is what he appears to be wearing in the store robbery).
And like others have already said, if it is his bracelet and that’s his shoe there by the orange cone, then Johnson was involved in the ‘tussle’
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I think the shoe is Mike slider or whatever they are called and that to me looks like gold bracelet which Dorian no longer has on in his interview
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A Nike “slider”. I just noticed it yesterday since I’ve been wearing the exact same footwear most of the time since coming home. At least I don’t wear socks with them (or rob stores).
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Nice catch. I was more focused on Brown. I believe he has a gold necklace on in the store video. Grainy video, my old eyes my be playing tricks on me.
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Really good eye.
Yes, he’s wearing a bracelet at the store:
Yes, you are correct when he gives the interview the bracelet is gone:
Here’s the item again:
Anyone got a better video link without the CNN logo blocking the view ?
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In CNN picture it looks like there could be something on his left arm, but in store video bracelet is on his right arm.
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Wow, you guys are so persistent, like a dog got ahold of a bone. Kudos!
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you have mail
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looking closely at store video you can see bracelet on both wrists
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Was this image of Dorian from a picture or a screen grab of a video?
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After looking at different video I don’t see another bracelet on his wrist he may have switched them from one wrist to another.
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It appears to me to be the same bracelet, but just moved to the left wrist.
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the bracelet on his left wrist is one of those rubber bracelets you see that supports cancer or whatever the other bracelet looks gold to me
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I first thought the same thing(two bracelets on the left), but I’m not sure the pink is a bracelet. It appears on screen just before he raise his hands.
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something to hold his hair back maybe
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I just looked at again and I think the pink is the cameraman’s finger, just by the way it appears and then disappears. Whatever it is, it’s not attached to Johnson’s wrist.
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Looks like a big rubber band to me. A thick one
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If you look closely in the store video he has something on both wrists
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Bracelet on right arm, don’t see anything on his left arm in the video. In the interview, nothing on right arm, bracelet on the left arm. Did he switch it?
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offed his gang banger beads prior to media appearance?
http://bloodpiruknowledgegangsters.blogspot.com/2009/09/bloods-gangs-wearing-their-beads.html
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The delay that the unknown speaker in Black Canseco Youtube Video claims makes me wonder whether Big Mike misinterpreted the pause as Officer Wilson’s weapon being out of ammo. And compelled him to bumrush harder in order to beat him to death.
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Good Catch…Like the witness said about thinking the officer must have missed cause Brown kept rushing the officer.
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I still think the pause was Wilson seeing Dorian by the car or it could have been someone else but the pause seems to be him catching sight of someone
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He had to be worried about little perp ambushing him.
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In the close up pic of the suv I don’t see the bullet casing anyone else notice that
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Which pic ftsk?
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the real close one where you can see the mirror is bent out
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I can’t seem them in that on either. But I would say the other photo is closer up.
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It is in the picture where you can’t even see the mirror but a couple of us aren’t sure it is a casing either. It is circled in red just below the tire. One of the first photos in this story.
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I’m not the smartest man in the world but it looks to me like a bunched up gold bracelet I zoomed in an it doesn’t look like a bullet casing
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Looks more like a gold necklace or bracelet than a casing of brass. Just looks to have to much texture to be a bullet casing, Also, Not all casing are brass(brass color). In my .40 Sig 226 I run Hornady Critical Defense and they are nickel plated brass(nickel color). I am unaware of the ammo that Officer Wilson was running, I haven’t seen that mentioned.
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After zooming I agree. Before I zoomed I just thought it looked a bit long to be a S&W 40 casing. I’ve seen plenty of those and the pic just didn’t look right.
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I feel it’s a good thing if it’s his bracelet it shows he was involved in the tussle
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Maybe during the tussle Dorian got pushed into the mirror
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Don’t ask me why but I’ve sometimes thought it was Johnson going for the gun while Wilson & Brown struggled. I have nothing to base that on so I wouldn’t suggest running with it.
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I think it would be difficult for both to be inside the window but it’s possible Dorian was kind of pinned between mirror and Mike
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Me too. I zoomed in and then got the magnifying glass out and it definitely looks like a gold bracelet or necklace.
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We are assuming it belonged to Mike or Dorian it could have belonged to Wilson. I still don’t see it being bullet casin
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About 2:00 in on the left side, has a wife beater on and has his dark shirt over his left shoulder. He runs his right hand through his hair. Nothing on his wrist.
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@2:08 “Hands Up”
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I know camera optics can play tricks but is it possible there are two casings in the photo near the SUV. It just looks a little long for one. Here is a link to a S&W 40 casing. I also realize it would be really unlikely they came to rest next to each other end to end… Just a thought, I can always blame it on my meds and eyesight. ;)
https://www.etsy.com/listing/171970474/bright-brass-bullet-shell-casings-beads?utm_source=google&utm_medium=product_listing_promoted&utm_campaign=vintage-supplies-low&gclid=CJDV4NzQtsACFQQT7Aodr1gARw
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Hard to tell without knowing the exact ammo used, some .40 ammunition uses nickel plated brass.
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That red circled shot of the shell casings by the SUV looks to be at least 3 casings, possibly more depending on the angles how they are situated …difficult to say but could be 5 if they were kicked or rolled together with some casings parallel there…can’t see clearly the actual count from the angle of the photo. The spent casings could have first been resting on the vehicle seat and on the lap of the officer and subsequently fell together in a close group there as the officer exited the vehicle.
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It’s hard to tell. Johnson’s bracelet or empty brass? I don’t think brass would fall that way, and I don’t think they’d move it from where it fell. Johnson could well have lost his bracelet in the “tussle” at the SUV door.
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Yeah a vertical close up photo would sure help. It is a grainy distance photo and trying for some scaling using the front tire of the SUV is difficult also, but if the brass is laying end on for the front empty ends of the first row there could even be 8 casings right there staggered in a kind of coincidental alignment by shuffling feet like walking on spilled marbles.
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I just don’t think it’s bullet casings they wouldn’t be bunched up like that. If they fell off his lap they would roll on pavement.
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In the same shot, if you look further past the red circled shell casing, it looks like there could be other shell casings in the “gully gutter” beyond.
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Amazing. Don Lemon was just on CNN telling who gave them a heads up to get the audio tape. CNN had a blackout glitch just as he said the name of the attorney who tipped him. Amazing.
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has anyone checked out the story from Emanuel Freeman on Vice News? He claims to be a witness
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youtube video = private
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No, but I wonder if he was put through the Crump School of Discombobulation.
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Help I’m stuck in spam purgatory
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You must have been baaaaaad to land in spam purgatory. It happens every once in a while. No idea why.
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No clue I posted about McCulloch and if he was removed that would allow his past cases to be reopend or looked at
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It might be because the thread is so long — I remember this happening to me a few times during the long George Zimmerman threads.
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Proving what, exactly? Pop pop pop (pause) pop pop pop pop or something like that. Evidence of a gun going off, but nothing else.
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They are just showing the audio is real so they can jump on the fact he paused.
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Or that he paused, thinking MB was going to stop, but had to start shooting again to keep the freight train thug from mowing him down.
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1st shot(s) in car, delay, recording starts, 10 more shots.
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Agree!!
AND.. there were only 4 shots after pause.
6 shots hit with MB facing DW, so at least two were BEFORE the pause. This PROVES that MB was facing towards DW before the “pause” in gunshots. Suggests at least that MB was facing (charging) DW when he fired all the 10 shots.
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Maybe not even proving that much. The Glide company statement verifies the time of the recording and they say:
“A Glide user … was simply using the Glide app … to instantly communicate with a friend … Simultaneously, they also captured audio in the background of the gunshots allegedly fired at Michael Brown.”
Now, we don’t know whether Glide is saying “captured … the gunshots” after listening to a version of the recording stored on their servers at their end – or instead is speaking from knowledge of the media portrayal of the recording.
All Glide may have done first-hand here is verify the time and that a recording was made.
It’s quite possible the gunshots were added to the recording at the user’s end later using audio recording / mixing software, creating a fraudulent composite that was burned to CD or a memory stick and released to CNN.
Only if Glide produces a version of the recording from their end – FROM THEIR SERVERS AND CONTAINING THE GUNSHOTS – can the “CNN gunshot audio” be entirely authenticated by Glide.
Glide statement: http://blog.glide.me/post/96012321805/in-the-moment-glide-verifies-ferguson-shooting
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My reply to Zurich Mike got displaced down in the thread so I should have clarified by quoting:
ZurichMike said:
“Proving what, exactly? Pop pop pop …”
— and my reply should have started:
“Maybe not even proving that much (pop pop pop) …
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This may be in response to the lawyers complaint. But Lemon was “accidentally” blacked out of a live CNN report when he stated the name of the lawyer who tipped him off.
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The last 3 lines of Witness 1 listed above seem to indicate to me that Dorian was there until after Mike fell from the fatal shot.
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Major props and thanks to all of you new media sleuths. This is a great synopsis of events, evidence, witnesses, and timelines. Simply amazing.
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What is really amazing is the way Sundance has managed to keep up with all the videos, pictures, links, and information provided by different commenters and some major great keen-eyed sleuths (to borrow your word). It is such a confusing mess to untangle and he has done a magnificent job of taking it step by step. His organizational skills are to be envied. He and a few others around here must be sleep deprived at this point.
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@1:00 “ran behind a white 2 door car”
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Now it’s a white 2 door car
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Cars are like people.. They can be designated as “white” when necessary.
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:-)
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Ohh he says Mike was punching cop!! Isn’t it ironic that MSNBC says Brady gave them his video but they only have the audio portion ready. Hmm what’s the matter? Does the video show something MSNBC doesn’t want seen?
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How can they only have audio ready? Makes no sense.
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Nope it sure doesn’t. They were given a video that is video and audio all in one yet they for some reason, extracted the audio from the video. My guess is, to manipulate it to what they want it to say. Just like NBC did with GZ
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Oh No! Theywantthattoo?
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So this guy now appears after the story gets more and more…heh. Nicely done team.
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Actually Michael Brady was known for awhile now. This wasn’t his first interview with media
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Oh this isn’t the porno guy.
My bag!
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is this the porno recording guy?
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Brady missed the “Hands Up” meeting.
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Amazingly there’s still no video trained on this scene at the moment of death. Nothing short of incredible. How many residents with how many cam phones overlooked the street?
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Well, we don’t know what Michael Brady’s video shows. This guy said they have his video but they only have the audio portion working right now. Kind of odd don’t you think? Why is it they can’t just show his entire video instead of separating the audio from the video? It’s most likely because the video portion of it, shows what MSNBC doesn’t want to be seen. Most likely that MB was beating on the cop. Also notice, they didn’t play any audio either.
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Can’t the police subpoena that video if they want it? What good is it to hide it, then?
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To frame the cop.
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I’m sure the police already have it but you know, just like Crump, as long as you can keep it from public view, who cares if the cops have it. Look at the GZ case, Not one media outlet had the testicular fortitude enough to show truth behind the lies. They went along with everything Crump said. Just as they are doing now.
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{sniff} Now I am in Moderation, and I don’t know why.
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MSNBC obviously prefers “tussle” to “he ran up to the car and punched on him”.
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Witness Brady did say it appeared Brown was throwing punches at the PO. When he went outside just prior to the final shots he says Brown did not have his hands up. He said browns’ hands were balled up at the stomach, Even after, during his interview he was shown a snippet of Tiffays’ statement of hands up, he sticks to what he saw. Hands at stomach. couple steps towards the officer, final shots fired. He seemed quite clear. Between the time he was inside and the time he got outside they were facing eaxh other. So what he (we) does not know for certain is if Brown had advanced towards t Wilson even more prior to that.
Clearly a 6’4″ guy taking “a couple steps towards the PO” is going to close the distance between them by a good 5 feet. Do that twice and they could almost be face to face.
I also believe that Brown was in forward motion because of the position of his outstretched body. A kill shot is going to drop him like a brick in place if he was stationary and his torso would crumple down over his legs. That would occur even if he were merely “bent over”. Still going to go straight down with torso over the legs. I would expect to see some sort of bent joint positioning somewhere in the legs, if even to the slightest degree. But he is completely outstretched and the only physical way for that to occur is forward inertia of his 300 pound body. (unless someone pushed him LOL)
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I have to say, I think Michael Brady is the most credible witness out of all of them. He’s not changing his story. They keep trying to get him to agree with what Tiffany says and he keeps saying he didn’t see the hands up.
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Whoa. Brown is right in front of the cops car in the start at 1:43 then they move the cop car. This changes the perspective.
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Maybe that is a diff cop car theis is crazy. But his motions could indicate the cop though big perp was going for a weapon. Odonnell is pathetic in his attempted frame up. Pathetic.
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That looked to me like a police vehicle that had just arrived at the scene and stopped to talk to someone. Don’t know though.
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‘eyewitness’
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Brady said some more details about DJ/car here:
~2:07 parked on the sidewalk.
~2:39 car is 5 feet away from the police truck? (not sure that’s what he’s saying)
:http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/21/ac-intv-brady-ferguson-shooting-eyewitness.cnn.html
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:http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2014/08/22/brady-ferguson-shooting-eyewitness-interview-cuomo-newday.cnn&video_referrer=
~1:21 – 2 door white car
a thought… Brady is talking about DJ after he flees and watches Wilson walk by pursuing Brown. Piaget mentions DJ’s hide spot after he’s come outside. Potential that DJ hides behind the white car, as Wilson goes down street, DJ now moves (or appears from Piaget’s points of view) to behind the black car since Wilson’s walked by the white car?
All in all, I don’t have a lot of faith in Piaget’s versions, she’s highly influenced by what the mob believes happened (and later by autopsy evidence). But still seems to be hiding in that same general area, according to the witnesses at least.
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Anybody think the guy telling the truth on Black Canseco’s video is DJ?
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One observation about the witness audio: at least three people expressed surprise that the POLICE shot him! It wasn’t their first thought. Which means that they really don’t live in fear of the Police shooting them for no reason, like they now claim….
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As someone early on said this was the first and only fatal shooting of someone in Ferguson by the Police. It’s kind of hard to be in mortal fear of something that has never happened.
Then again there is that Monster under my bed thingy.
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It’s not “dude in the red” its ( “dude in the dreads right ? “) or (“dude with the dreads right? ” ) Someone else says( “I see-nt the whole thing” ) right before the time of your transcription starts
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Shahid’s presence always bothered me. He got there so early and clearly tampered with the witnesses. Notice above when the crowd is practicing the bogus “hands Up” meme for the camera, Shahid is looking over the crowd instead of the camera. He really should be arrested for tampering if anyone has the fortitude to do so.
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Treepers are doing a great job! Don’t know if you know about this witness. He also says Brown turned back to Wilson but claims Brown was running away at first. Later, August 17, he was getting heat for what people believed he said happened and he tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/TheePharoah/status/501220377084067840
Bruh. @TheePharoah
I cant say much, but let my tweets show you, i never said he was shot in the back
9:13 PM – 17 Aug 2014
Here are the links:
‘I Just Saw Someone Die’: The Man Who Live-Tweeted Michael Brown’s Shooting (PHOTOS):
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/16/i-just-saw-someone-die-the-man-who-live-tweeted-michael-browns-shooting-photos/
and the twitter link via the Rolling Stones reporter:
Witness to Brown killing:
https://twitter.com/7im/timelines/499639344613695488
and the witness himself, “TheePharoah” twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/TheePharoah
Excerpt from his live feed of the shooting:
✨Alex @RocksMyLocs
–> LOOK AT THIS SHIT RT @TheePharoah: @SLIKK_DARKO the first two was, the next 5 werent, he turned around
10:17 PM – 16 Aug 2014
Looking back at earlier tweets may uncover more info. If you didn’t already know about this witness (seems to be well known in the community for his live tweets at the time of the shooting), have at it now Treepers!
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I posted them the other day. Here is the link
https://twitter.com/7im/timelines/499639344613695488
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Great, dizzymissl.I just stumbled upon the info today and didn’t know if you all had already reviewed it. Keep up the good work!
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I’ve emailed the site address email numerous times now and still no confirmation that any of the evidence from early times was sent through…I sent through an HTML page with all the relevant tweets embedded… I might just post it all here…
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Can someone just give me an email and I will fwd it all to them. Thnx.
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You have been given an email address 4 times !! I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion you are trolling the site for some unknown reason. I have replied to you 3 times with responses to your comments – and yet each you ignore. What’s the problem?
Again, and I’m repeating myself, all of your prior links were already posted on the thread you were emailing links for. If you have something to add to the discovery or conversation just say it, or drop the links. The need to email them is for what exactly ?
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OK. I just wanted to know if someone had gotten the file. That is all. The way these comments move I hadn’t seen a response on the other thread confirming. I also hadn’t received an email in reply either.
It contains the following:
*Tammie Holland’s Twitter, Instagram & Facebook page (which contain comments detailing early versions of the event).
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I’m trying to be patient, I swear. But for some reason we ain’t coming to an understanding.
WE GET HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF Daily emails. Almost NONE are responded to. We just don’t have time or resources to put someone 24/7 on answering emails it would probably take two full time people. We have no staff.
There is NO FILE in email with anything like what you are describing. You have sent 4 emails. Nothing there about Tammie Holland or anything like it. Just put the links here if they are important and everyone will flush it out.
Just to give you an idea of scope. The thread above (without comments) took over 6 hours to assemble and produce alone. I have now spent about an hour just answering your questions and looking for information you keep saying we are in possession of. Honestly, I don’t mean to snark but with thousands of participants I can’t spend that much time with you.
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https://www.facebook.com/1007TheViper
Interesting info from our sources….who were 100% accurate on the autopsy info.
Mike Browns DNA was found on Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson’s gun, face and hands. Ferguson officer Darren Wilson’s DNA found on Mike Browns hands and arms.
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Nice day for a leak….drip drip drip.
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Yup. Wondering if this info was just given to the GJ yesterday, therefore ok to do a little leaking:)
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Da popo pistol whipped da po lil chil and den shoot him in da street like a rabid dog.
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Extacuted himb. In broad daylight. Much worse dan at night.
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Just going to put this out there. I’m not sure how much to believe with them. They originally posted that Dorian changed his story. Then the following day they removed Dorian’s name from the post and changed it to “key witness” Here’s both the original post and the edited one…
Dorian has been on TV a few times since and is sticking to his story.
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look at the right side of the police uniforms something goes from the shoulder to the pocket could that be whats on the ground
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Oh, my, money, money, money:
Missouri police sued for $40 million over actions in Ferguson protests
BY CAREY GILLAM
Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:06pm EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/28/us-usa-missouri-shooting-idUSKBN0GS2KD20140828
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Any ADMIN: Can one of you guys check my email when you get a chance… it doesn’t specifically have to be Sundance, I don’t wanna bug him right now with everything going on. (not that the rest of you aren’t busy too! ;) )
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ATTENTION: Nevermind about checking for my email. It’s NOT important enough to worry about right now…. just wait till there’s a lull (if that EVER happens). I’m serious. Wish there was something I could do to help with the backlog and all the work you guys are now having to deal with.
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I think Crump is running out of fact pattern to lie about.
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New Thread Alert !!!
https://theconservativetreehouse.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/thread-2-mike-brown-shooting-part-1-what-the-physical-evidence-reveals-along-with-enhanced-audio-transcription-of-eye-witness-update-possible-dorian-johnson-bracelet-identified-at-scene-of-s/
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Has anyone thought that the bullet hole might be from another shooting and I’m sure there are lots of casings lying around in the ghetto!!!
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