M-DSPD Cover Up – The Curious Case Of Trayvon Martin’s Backpack With Stolen Jewelry and Burglary Tool…

Frances Robles - legal collectionIronically were it not for Frances Robles writing a Miami Herald article on March 26th 2012 an entire chain of events would not have taken place.

It was that Robles article, and the outlining of the Miami-Dade School Police Department’s report on a Trayvon Martin incident from October 2011, that kicked off an internal investigation by M-DSPD Police Chief Hurley against his own officers to find out who leaked the police report.

[Note: The Miami-Dade Public School System has its own Police force, and Chief, who report to the School Board and Superintendent - Not the Police Dept. The Police Chief is appointed by the School Superintendent, in this example, Alberto Carvalho]

October 2011

It was that M-DSPD internal affairs investigation which revealed in October 2011 Trayvon Martin was searched by School Resource Officer, Darryl Dunn. The search of Trayvon Martin’s backpack turned up at least 12 pcs of ladies jewelry, and a man’s watch, in addition to a flat head screwdriver described as “a burglary tool”.

When Trayvon was questioned about who owned the jewelry and where it came from, he claimed he was just holding it for a “friend”. A “friend” he would not name.

Later, after the police report was outlined in the Robles article, and despite Trayvon being suspended for the second time in a new school year, Martin family attorney, Benjamin Crump, said Trayvon’s dad, Tracy Martin, and Trayvon’s mom, Sybrina Fulton, did not know anything about the jewelry case.

It was only as a consequence of the M-DSPD internal affairs investigation that “why” they may not have known came to light.

Martin Clan 2

On October 21st 2011 a burglary took place a few blocks from Krop Senior High School where Trayvon Martin attended. The stolen property outlined in the Miami-Dade Police Report (PD111021-422483) matches the descriptive presented by SRO Dunn in his School Police report 2011-11477.

Trayvon Martin

Trayvon Martin

However, there was ONE big issue. SRO Dunn never filed a criminal report, nor opened a criminal investigation, surrounding the stolen jewelry. Instead, and as a result of pressure from M-DSPD Chief Hurley to avoid criminal reports for black male students, Dunn wrote up the jewelry as “found items”, and transferred them, along with the burglary tool, to the Miami-Dade Police property room where they sat on a shelf unassigned to anyone for investigation.

A separate report of “criminal Mischief” (T-08809) was filed for the additional issue of writing “WTF” on a school locker. [It was the search for the marker used to write the graffiti that led to the backpack search].

The school discipline, “suspension”, was attached to the graffiti and not the stolen jewelry.

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The connections between the Police Burglary report and the School Report of “found items” were never made because the regular police detective in charge of the Burglary case had no idea the School Police Dept. had filed a “found items” report.

Two differing police departments, and the School Officer, Dunn, intentionally took the criminal element out of the equation – instead preferring “school discipline” and not “criminal adjudication”.

It was only when the M-DSPD Internal Affairs investigation kicked in, and six officers gave sworn affidavits, the manipulative scheme to improve criminal statistics within the School System were identified openly.

School Superintendent Alberto Carvalho gave his hire, Police Chief Hurley, instructions to reduce the criminal behavior of young black males. The chosen strategy between them, to insure optical success, was to stop using the Criminal Justice System to punish black student behavior. Instead they instructed the School Resource Officers to use school discipline in place of criminal justice.


Former M-DSPD Police Chief Hurley with son and wife

Another approach was the use of The Baker Act, to quantify behaviors under health HIPPA law secrecy by assigning the students with psychological problems. This allowed them to again use school discipline and work around criminal reports.

Without the reports, the statistics would improve immensely;  And improve they did.

M-DSPD Media Advisory - Copy

The final approach, to insure no-one would find out about the manipulation, was to change the Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) for inter-agency information sharing.

This new SOP was outlined by a communications directive in 2010 forbidding the sharing of Miami-Dade School Police reports to outside agencies without redaction. Officers had to send any and all requests through the public information officer.

Hence, the furor of Chief Hurley when the Robles article hit the press and cited police reports – Hurley smelled a leaker and launched an investigation.

Ultimately the internal affairs investigation initiated by Hurley led to his own firing, because the officers questioned told the internal affairs investigators the truth of what was going on and outed the scheme.

One of the examples of this in action was the jewelry incident and Trayvon Martin – as accidentally outlined in the Herald report. But the Herald never knew their reporting had launched an internal affairs investigation which led to the collapse of the scheme.

Meanwhile the stolen jewelry from the burglary (PD111021-422483) was sitting on a shelf in the Property Room listed as (2011-11477 “found items) gathering dust.

Until we started digging, and the FOIA requests revealed not only the scheme, but the fact a victim was never made whole with the return of their items.

That is, until now.

Yesterday we contacted Detective Manresa, assigned to the burglary case, of the Miami-Dade Police Department to notify him some of his victims’ stolen items were actually in the Miami-Dade property room:

Subject: Attn: Detective Omar Manresa [RE: PD111021-422483 Burglary at XXXX XX XXXXX]

Dear Detective Manresa,

Per phone conversation of 4/30/13 @ 10:20am regarding burglary incident #PD111021-422483

During the course of research surrounding an internal affairs M-DSPD investigation in March/April of 2012 it coincidentally came to our attention that School Resource Officer Darryl Dunn (Dr. Krop Senior High School) filled out a report of items from a student’s backpack without criminal attachment.

The internal documentation used by SRO Dunn only listed the contents of the backpack as “found items” and a burglary tool. He was trying to avoid subjecting the student [Trayvon Martin] to a criminal investigation, therefore no criminal report, nor investigation was initiated.

This action by SRO Dunn was taken at the direction and request of former M-DSPD Police Chief Hurley who had advised his officers to avoid writing criminal reports on student offenders; Apparently in an attempt to artificially improve the recorded criminal student statistics.

The internal report #2011-11477 never attached the stolen property to the student who was carrying it when searched. The property was taken to the custody of Carmen Gonzalez, Property Specialist, where it was held, and still should be located.

The details surrounding this event are outlined in the following sworn affidavits completed by members of the Miami-Dade School Police Department. (they are extensive)







As mentioned, if you contact the victim of Miami-Dade burglary #PD111021-422483, and review with them the property confiscated by M-DSPD SRO Dunn listed under #2011-11477, we believe you will be able to return at least a portion of the stolen merchandise.

Perhaps some of the items returned may have sentimental, as well as obvious financial, value.

Right is Right Even If Nobody Does it; and Wrong is Wrong, even if Everybody Does it…

Martin Clan

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407 Responses to M-DSPD Cover Up – The Curious Case Of Trayvon Martin’s Backpack With Stolen Jewelry and Burglary Tool…

  1. rumpole2 says:

    Thanks Sundance…. finally I think I grasp it all.

    • Facepalm says:

      Did anyone get the report?

    • Warlokke says:

      Sundance….so does the Zimmerman defense lawyer know about this? Seems this would be a swing and a hit to show previous behavior like what Zimmerman suspected at the time.

      • Rose Dempsey says:

        They were not allowed to bring any of it up in court :(

      • Al says:

        Yes! Everyone knew this, except the “sheeple.” The powers that be wanted to burn an innocent, Boy Scout, Hispanic youth because he shot a black thug that was beating the living hell out of him! It seems the Thugs in Chicago and the White House will do anything to protect their ilk around the country!

    • FRANKO35758 says:


  2. HughStone says:

    Will Manresa do the right thing?

    • jello333 says:

      Well, seems to me he’s now on notice that it’s public knowledge that he was put on notice… if that makes any sense. ;)

    • Unicron says:

      I’m hoping that his fear of ending with a similar fate to Chief Hurley may motivate him to do everything by the book, do due diligence, etc… even if his personal preference or the preference of his superiors might be that he never, ever show the victim those items, or exert any effort to see them himself, for fear of them actually matching.

      See, the powers that be should actually be looking at these revelations as a parachute, an “out” whereby they could inoculate the riot-prone to be less likely to act out upon an acquittal. If Trayvon’s name is “dragged through the mud” (exposed to facts and sunlight) thoroughly, with the truth… it might take a lot of the steam out of that rioting passion. Or the BGI push to go after any and all within the Florida legal system they think might be a blood-laden turnip.

      Unfortunately, I don’t think they’ll see it this way. I think they’re too bought in to the path they’ve chosen. They’ve got a dog in this fight, or should I say a “dawg.”

      I suspect this letter to Manresa will either trigger a serious “chickens with their head cut off” freak out at his department, which either ends with them figuring out the best way to not do anything with the information… OR them actually doing something with the information out of pure, cynical C.Y.A.

      I’m hoping for option B. It would be really, really nice to see this entire Trayvon construct blow up in the face of Crump, et al and the corrupt Florida legal system.

    • John Galt says:

      Ordering school cops to conceal commission of a burglary by writing bogus reports “with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment”.

      Sounds pretty close to “accessory after the fact.”

      FS 777.03

      “Any person not standing in the relation of husband or wife, parent or grandparent, child or grandchild, brother or sister, by consanguinity or affinity to the offender, who maintains or assists the principal or an accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a crime and such crime was a third degree felony, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.”

      810.02 is the burglary statute

      “Burglary is a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, if, in the course of committing the offense, the offender does not make an assault or battery and is not and does not become armed with a dangerous weapon or explosive, and the offender enters or remains in a:
      (a) Structure, and there is not another person in the structure at the time the offender enters or remains; or
      (b) Conveyance, and there is not another person in the conveyance at the time the offender enters or remains.”

      • Toby says:

        They were also accessories before the fact in the Death of Trayvon and more culpable than Mr. Zimmerman in that death. Trayvon should not have had the opportunity to be there that night.

    • doodahdaze says:

      Sad. It is really sad when people have to wonder if their Police Department will do the right thing. The citizens have their property stolen. They report it to the Police. The police catch the burglar with the stolen property red handed. Then the Police Department Leadership orders them to let him go and keeps the property hidden. All for Political Correctness. This is total breakdown of civilized society.

      I hope these victims get their wedding rings back. I have been burgled several times and only once got my property back. I hate burglars.

      • libby says:

        Seems like the media is in love with burglars and thugs in training

      • Sarah Goodwich says:

        Police are bureaucrats, they have no real skin in the game, and so have no incentive to be on the ball. This is why police should be replaced with private security-firms, and all schools should also be private.

        I just want to know if any of these items belonged to the victims of the 8 break-ins that happened in the gated community since Trayvon started visiting there; this might indicate that he was indeed acting suspiciously because he was looking for more homes to rob.

        • Art says:

          This is exactly what I was wondering!!

          • Nanax1 says:

            Sure Needs To Be Known Before This Trial Ends!… Or Later We Will Be Told The Outcome Could Have Been Different Had This Been Allowed In The Trial.

        • Ed in North Texas says:

          Police definitely do have “skin in the game”. They live and die (i.e. get promoted) by both testing and their statistical job performance. If Investigators close few, or no, cases, absent logical reasons they will find themselves on the crap details and off active investigations. In this instance the School Resource Officer (SRO) also had skin in the game, he could openly defy the Chief’s instructions and either find himself demoted or fired, or he could do that which he was ordered to do. Whomever leaked the report was doing what was the “right thing”, while protecting him or her self from retribution. And the initiation of the IA investigation clearly shows the Chief was ‘into” retribution, though he wasn’t smart enough to figure out his officers wouldn’t lie for him and he’d wind up out on his butt.

          • Sid says:

            closing cases doesn’t necessarily mean locking up criminals – my sister-in-law’s brother got coerced into taking a plea on something he didn’t do. I know it’s easy for people not in that situation to say: “well, if he didn’t do it he should have went to trial!” but when you’re poor & facing a federal prosecutor with orders of magnitude more resources (not to mention friendly judges) it’s a lot harder to gamble that two year plea against the 15 if you (almost certainly) lose.

            effectively, I’m actually agreeing with you – cops & prosecutors ARE most certainly incented to close cases but (again) that’s not synonymous with putting people away who are actually threats to society (or even guilty)…

          • comparing texas to miami is an impossible task

        • BruceMajors says:

          And it may be why kids like Trayvon (but without his prior record) are scared to call the cops. http://insomniaclibertarian.blogspot.com/2013/07/why-is-trayvon-martin-dead.html

      • derfallbright says:

        I wonder if the School Police Chief or any school official received a bonus based on the false improved statistics. If so that would seem like some sort of conspiracy to commit fraud. Whatever happened to the school superintendent? Why would you put up with a person with such low ethical standards.

        • Scott says:

          The all have low ethical standards when it comes to appeasing their liberal PC masters.

      • Steve Furbish says:

        This wasn’t political correctness gone wrong – it was a too common corrupt action initiated by a school system superintendent who wished to pad his accomplishments and improve his resume. Everyone who wants to point at what the police chief did here needs to look at who his co-conspirator was. Miami-Dade public school system pays this guy over a quarter million dollars annually and he has to fudge his accomplishments by conspiring with a crooked cop to hide real crime statistics within his schools? Civilized society needs to reevaluate it’s public education system as much or more than it’s police. This type of cover-up is inexcusable.

      • sd760 says:

        To be fair, these guys were school police, not part of the Miami-Dade Police Department. They worked for the school system and reported to the school superintendant.

    • Chip Bennett says:

      Will Manresa do the right thing?

      Why wouldn’t Manresa do the right thing? The Miami municipal police department has nothing to do with any of this mess.

      • John Galt says:

        Will M-DSPD allow Manresa to do the right thing?

        Q. I’m here to pick up the jewelry that Trayvon Martin stole.

        A. Let me look that up in the system. Hmmmm, nope. Everything on Trayvon Martin falls under the scope of school disciplinary records. Sorry can’t give you anything w/o a court order.

        Q. The kid is dead, FERPA doesn’t apply.

        A. Sorry, according to RU SOP, FERPA applies.

        Q. How does stolen jewelry comprise a FERPA protected educational record?

        A. We don’t have any stolen property. The property room if full of “found” property.

        Q. But look here, the jewelry indicated as stolen on this burglary report matches the jewelry indicated as “found” in Trayvon’s back back.

        A. You can’t know that because Trayvon’s found property report is protected by FERPA.

        Q. But it was published in the Miami Herald.

        A. Sorry, the Miami Herald is not an official M-DSPD record.

        Q. Give me the freakin’ jewelry.

        A. No, I can’t violate RU SOP.

        Q. Let me see the RU SOP.

        A. No, the RU SOP is secret.

        • doodahdaze says:

          Fundamental change strikes again. It may be time to put de lime in de coconut an mix it all up. 3rd world America has finally arrived.

    • sundance says:

      Hugh, I have no reason to doubt Detective Manresa will do the right thing. After quite a long conversation he said he would definitely want the victim to get their items back.

      His primary side issue was how was he going to explain getting from A to Z. Meaning how does he accurately report how the crime was solved. Hence, the collective decision to write it to him in an email.

      It did not seem an issue of whether he would do the right thing, it was more of an issue as to how was he going to explain the right thing he was doing.

      He sounded on the phone to be a very genuine person, and was keenly interested, albeit really surprised, that the case would solved – and the details that led to the solution. Our phone conversation was well over an hour as he checked data base reports, took notes, wrote down names etc for follow-up.

      • lepanto says:

        Murphy was an optimist.
        So, what could go wrong, even though the police do the right thing?
        The burglary victim still has to identify the jewelry and claim it.
        Just suppose the burglary victim is a supporter of “No justice, no peace.”
        He, or she, could still refuse to claim it.

        • auscitizenmom says:

          Hmmm. Some people do’t care when “their people” do something to you, but change their tune when “their people” do it to them.

        • Sarah Goodwich says:

          I’m sure they had already made a police-report describing the stolen items, and they could be matched accordingly.

          I just can’t imagine the following:

          Police: “This matches the jewelry you claimed stolen in the break-in.”
          Victim:”Nope that ain’t mine, it might set George Zimmerman free because Trayvon stole it, and I’m going to give up may valuable jewelry to defend a thief who robbed me in order to convict the neighborhood watchman who was watching out for me and caught the robber trying to rob more people.”

          But who knows? The cry could become “Justice over bling-bling!”

      • doodahdaze says:

        Well he is the cop. Does he have to get from A to Z to give back stolen property? When I claimed mine they sent me a letter and I went to the impound lot. But I had to pay a fee to get it.

      • jello333 says:

        Well then, I want to apologize to Detective Manresa. In my response to Hugh’s question, I sarcastically said something like, “Well, it’s out in the open now, so the detective has no choice.” I guess I’ve just become so cynical with most of the people involved in this case, that I tend to doubt people WILL do “the right thing”. Again, if you’re reading this, Det. Manresa, sorry about that.

  3. justfactsplz says:

    Great job Sundance as usual! How rewarding to know that this burglary victim may get some of their precious belongings back. Not only that but it shows Trayvon did indeed have a criminal past even if they did try to hide it. Truth refuses to be hidden. WOLVERINES!

    • John Galt says:

      Great job indeed. Extremely impressive. Even after spending a zillion hours on the internal affairs investigation, nobody at M-DSPD thought to match up the stolen property with the crime. I wonder how many other crimes could be solved if M-DSPD records and property room were subjected to audit and matching with local police dept records?

      • doodahdaze says:

        If this report turns out to be right and the victims get their property back…Well I would nominate the Cracker for a Pulitzer Prize in Investigative Journalism. This may be one of the finest examples of it in a long long time.

      • justfactsplz says:

        I have a feeling a lot of the crimes committed by young black males would match up with local police dept. records.

    • Sarah Goodwich says:

      Well look what happened: Trayvon was a thief who was enabled by this miscarriage of justice, and got cocky, and instead of being corrected for his criminal behavior, he got violent, thinking he could do as he pleased…. and it ended his life– while also destroying Zimmerman’s life by accusing him of being a vigilante who shot an “innocent” kid. Meanwhile also the people were deprived of their stolen property.

      So this crappy police-politics had a lot of backdraft, and the people responsible should be held to account.

      • justfactsplz says:

        I agree, every last one of them should be held accountable and pay dearly for what they have done.

      • You are right Sarah and sadly it isn’t over, if Zimmerman is found innocent a lot of innocent citizens who happen to be white will be beaten and killed still….so it won’t stop anytime soon no matter how the trial goes, if he is found innocent, he will most likely be killed by some ghetto trash vigilante, and if he is found guilty, he will be killed in prison, so that poor man will never know a peaceful life again, if he lives that is. Bet he is so glad he risked his life for his neighbors now.

      • Jillocity says:

        i could not agree more

  4. BertDilbert says:

    Sundance, given Berni’s continual mention of CTH, it would be nice if we had a way to send him some promotional items like a T shirt or coffee mug as a thank you. Maybe a button he can wear during the trial or something like that.

  5. Tuduri says:

    If Trayvon committed a burglary or robbery to obtain this jewelry, you can bet that he had done it
    before. I wonder if his fingerprints have been run to see if they’ve been found at other crime scenes?

    • jello333 says:

      And Brandi lives right across the street from some guy (around 19 years old, can’t remember his name) who was arrested… turned out to have been burglarizing quite a few places. We haven’t yet seen evidence that he was friends with Trayvon, but…

      • jello333 says:

        (I guess that should be LIVED, since she apparently moved since then.)

      • John Lyle says:

        Is it possible that Trayvon Martin was involved in something in the days before the shooting. See https://mordecaiwashington.wordpress.com/

        • auscitizenmom says:

          When I read one of those articles, I was reminded of the box of “clothes” which always sounded very, very strange to me. I can’t imagine a young boy like that wearing hand me downs. A hand me down for Trayvon would have to come from somebody at least as tall as he was. No, it just doesn’t make sense. Box of clothes = something suspicious

    • nivico says:

      The sad reality is that many PD’s don’t have the time, manpower, or financial resources to ‘CSI’ every crime scene… many victims of burglaries are simply given a police report to provide to their insurer and that’s about the extent of the PD’s involvement.

      • bullnuke says:

        True statement

      • LandauMurphyFan says:

        And if I were that detective, I’d be royally P.O.’d to think that this crime could’ve been solved and the loot returned to its rightful owners if only Hurley hadn’t been more concerned with protecting a certain class of criminals than getting justice for their victims. Oh yeah, and I’d be disgusted and furious about how Hurley was prepared to let MY crime-solving stats decline so that HIS crime-reduction stats could look good. What a creep!

      • yankeeintx says:

        And most renters don’t even have insurance, and homeowners usually won’t file a claim unless it is well above their deductable.

      • Sal says:

        Thanks to the huge payout the insurance carrier paid out to Tracy and Sybrina many HOA are probably planning to disband their neighborhood watch programs, especially when the insurance companies refuse to cover “wannabe cops”.

      • Jillocity says:

        so true…i had my car stolen, the PD didn’t even bother with the TON of evidence left in it, stuff the thieves had put in the car

    • yankeeintx says:

      The night he was killed, they did run his fingerprints in an attempt to identify him. His fingerprints were not in the system. I don’t think they enter fingerprints into the system unless there is a conviction (a name attached to the fingerprints).

      • ftsk420 says:

        Seems a little strange to me there is no fingerprints on file for him. I thought it was something schools do now my sons are on file but not for anything criminal.

        • yankeeintx says:

          There are different databases. IAFIS is the largest. Anyone who might work at a crime scene has their fingerprints on file, all LEO’s, military, Fed’s, and even casino employees. I think like most databases, you must be able to select subcategories, or “search all”. I think IIRC TM’s fingerprints were not entered into IAFIS to see if there were connections to other crimes, but GZ’s were checked. I think the information is in one of the document dumps containing the medical forensics.

    • Sarah Goodwich says:

      Well you can be sure that his family will have disposed of all incriminating evidence in his room etc. to uphold their polished story that he was an “honor student.”

      • Sal says:

        We’re any of his girlfriends given jewelry by Trayvon. What is the status of the BFF necklace posted a while back? I remember it looked like a composite of different necklaces.

  6. jello333 says:

    You know, even ignoring the significance of this on George’s case, this is a great thing you’ve done, Sundance. The people who had their stuff stolen could be ANYONE. What if it’s an old man and woman who’ve been married for 50 years, and some of the jewelry is from way back when they first got together? Or maybe it was a poor person who could only afford to buy something nice once a decade or so? What I’m saying is, if this gets the stuff back to its rightful owners, you may have actually made someone’s life a little happier. Very cool.

    • Unicron says:

      What are you saying? The morale of the black community is more important than some person’s sentimental valuables!

      Do you have any idea what revelations like this could do to the already downtrodden, beleaguered self-image of young black men trying to find their footing in a racist society that views them as the most suspicious on a dark night?

      Don’t you think this sort of relentless, dogged pursuit of the truth about Trayvon could deflate the passion the community has about him as a symbol? Aren’t you wolverines potentially undermining a really, really good narrative for social justice?

      See, you’re being so short-sighted… all you can focus on is the truth of what kind of person Trayvon actually was, or what the evidence and law say about what happened between he and George Zimmerman February 26th, 2012…

      You’ve lost sight of the really important things. Like, Emmett Till. Don’t you see that Trayvon Martin, whatever the actual facts of who he was and what he did may be… provides us basically another chance at righting the wrongs of the past?

      Young black men in this nation already have a bad self-image, and precious few role models. Society tells them they are criminals, thugs, and dangerous miscreants.

      Trayvon is a symbol. Trayvon is a martyr. Trayvon must stand as a pristine icon of innocence and a vessel for striking back against the white oppression of blacks, and the continual harassment of young black men by a racist police culture.

      So, wolverines… I encourage you to stop being so selfish! Stop being so obsessed with the truth, the law, and what is morally right! Stop viewing people as individuals! Start thinking about what is good for “the community” !!!


      (I used to be a liberal until recently, I can still invoke their “thought” process easily, which can be useful for a laugh)

      • canadacan says:

        “Welcome to the fight”- Line from Casablanca

        • Unicron says:

          I used to bristle at that Churchill quote: “Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.”

          I was in my 20′s and I said to anyone who quoted it “No way! That’s so condescending. So presumptuous… I will be a liberal my whole life, because liberal basically just means being nice, conservatives are mean and selfish!” I really believed that.

          Fast forward to now, my early 30′s and having served in the military since then… and sure enough. Churchill was right.

          • dizzymissl says:

            So nice to hear Unicron

          • To Unicron- Very good writing – re: your 2 posts on May 1st. I don’t know how I missed this information on the nightly news. Has this “found” jewelry incident been made available in the trial yet ? I’m working lots of overtime and haven’t been able to keep up with it. Are you telling me that main stream media covered the fact that T. Martin had his backpack searched by a school police officer and he found 12 pieces of jewelry and a screwdriver in it (which he reported only as found not stolen) ????

            • Dave says:

              My understanding is that the judge has excluded evidence from trial which is inculpatory for Trayvon Martin, which shows Trayvon’s criminal activity. . This includes evidence of fighting and burglaray, if memory serves me.

              There is tremendous evidence of illegal drug use, assault, and burglary.See: “Tryavon Martin’s Final Hour.” As a tantalizing tidbit to get you to read the article, Martin apparently got an older person to buy him cigars used to make pot cigarettes, purchased skittles and a sweet drink (not iced tea) which are commonly used to make a drug using over the counter drugs, stopped to smoke pot, and doubled back to attack Zimmerman in spite of the pot use, evidence shows. There are also all kinds of phone text records which show that Martin was planning to assault a guy that he had beaten previously and that he was involved in several fights and drug use. There might have been mention in the text messages of burglary, if memory serves me.

              If all evidence were allowed and corruption did not reign, there would be no chance for any verdict but “not-guilty.” There would also be an investigation of malfeasance in the Prosecutor’s office.

              All of this so-called “political correctness” amounts to crime against white people and is racist. Political correctness is racist. Whites are the victim of the communist program known as political correctness.

              In other words, the judge is apparently corrupt and biased. THIS IS A SOVIET SHOW TRIAL, to quote an author at vdare.

              • Dave says:

                I forgot to mention that Martin had a keen interest in “pit fighting” or MMA unarmed gladiatorial combat. He was training himself in it and used it in fights. Don’t forget all of the evidence shown at Breitbart and elsewhere that Martin was mounted on Zimmerman and slammed Zimmerman’s head into the pavement several times while yelling that he was going to kill him and left a very nasty wound on the back of Zimmeraman’s head.

                Whether the judge was motivated by a fear of ritoting, a parternalistic politically correct notion of paternal concern for blacks, or an order from higher ups, it stinks of malfeasance and corruption.

                I think that worry over rioting should be forgotten. If there is violent rioting about it it should be dealt with in an appropriately harsh manner. Since when do Americans get coerced by threats of riots?

      • janc1955 says:

        This is a fabulous post, Unicron. Love it! :D

      • adam says:

        I was really surprised when reading this overtly liberal post by finding it so eloquently written and without grammatical typos.
        Then I saw your signature and it all made sense. Great points.

      • ad says:

        hit the nail on the head.
        great response.
        i am also a former lefty.
        (still am on some issues)
        but this is excellent.

      • Jillocity says:

        rofl…thanks for the light-hearted moment…which would be even more light-hearted if there weren’t people out there actually thinking those things…

      • Billyjoejimbos brotherinlawsneighborsfriend says:

        Welcome to reality. The land where you have to feed cows to milk them. They don’t milk themselves, they don’t feed themselves and the government isn’t going to do it for you.

    • ftsk420 says:

      I think the police need to check local pawn shops can’t pawn anything without ID.

    • sundance says:

      Jello, the return of the stolen belongings is a positive outcome of this entire fiasco. I’m sure the victim will be a little surprised with detective Manfresa’s follow-up, to return their personal items. And yes, I hope it can make them a little happier….. :)

      • Sarah Goodwich says:

        I just want to know how many of them were among the 8 break-in victims at Twin Lakes.

        This story that “Trayvon was shot for walking while black” just doesn’t add up; Zimmerman said he was acting suspiciously, walking around in the rain, which sounds like Trayvon was “casing” houses to rob.

        I’d also like to know the timing of those break-ins, and if they coincided with Trayvon’s visits to the Twin Lakes community.

        Burglars have a reputation for assaulting those who foil their plots, and this sounds like simply another case of a frustrated burglar attacking a citizen for interrupting a crime-in-progress.

  7. FrenchPug says:

    This is amazing. The burglary victim can thank sundance and serendipity. I cannot believe that you were able to figure out where the jewlery came from. I always thought that would just be a loose end. I am just stunned. All of the hard work SD did really paid off.

    • Unicron says:

      Wouldn’t it be a dream come true if the burglary victim themselves was sympathetic to sunlight and truth-telling, could be contacted, could establish themselves as the owner of the property, and would cooperate with CTH and/or other news outlets in exposing this matter?

      Of course, we shouldn’t get ahead of ourselves. Based on Sundance’s article here, I don’t think he’s implying it is CERTAIN that this is the burglary victim. It certainly could be, though.

      Myself, I sincerely doubt that Trayvon had only burgled once. I suspect he was engaging in burglary from time to time, who knows how frequently… wherever he spent any time. So, Miami Gardens, and I think he probably hit GZ’s neighborhood in Sanford during a previous visit, too.

      I even think he might have been entertaining the idea of hitting someplace in GZ’s community that very night. Whether then, or later that night. Once you’re a burglar, I suspect you start casing places automatically, noticing juicy looking houses… even if you don’t have any direct plan to do anything at that time.

      My personal theory is that TM knew roughly what GZ was and who was on the phone with him, and after getting suspended again, and getting “roped” for weed, etc… he had simply reached a boiling point of frustration with adults, with authority, with anyone who represented trouble and hassle for him. I think that’s why he lost control and attacked GZ. I think his desire was probably a one punch knockout, and when that didn’t go as planned I think he improvised very poorly indeed. Just my feeling on it.

      • nivico says:

        I keep thinking about the picture that was taken and tweeted from Brandi’s garage the night before…

        A WWE belt seemed like an odd thing for a grown woman to have in her garage, the cousin holding it also appeared to be wearing a woman’s bracelet, and there were stacks of boxed electronics or something off to the side.

        The way the area was curtained off also looked like an eBay/craigslist photo shoot setup.

        My gut has always told me that Tracy knew that night that his son had been shot, namely because he didn’t go out looking for his son who never returned from the store and disappeared without a trace as far as they claimed to know. It just seemed like there was some reason he had to wait until the following morning to contact the police. If you’ve got a garage full of stolen property, for example, you might want to get rid of it before the police drop by. It’d be interesting to know if the neighbors noticed any unusual amount of activity and comings and goings at the home that night.

        • Unicron says:

          Very interesting thought. Can you link to those pics?, I haven’t seen them in a while and would like to take a look again.

        • John Galt says:

          “If you’ve got a garage full of stolen property”

          If you are fencing stolen property, you might have an anonymous prepaid Simple Mobile phone.

          • LittleLaughter says:

            If you’re fencing stolen jewelry, you might have a large stack of cash to flaunt in a facebook picture.

          • LetJusticePrevail says:

            And it might also explain “why” Tracy’s response (when asked for his T-Mobile PIN) to the SPD was “I’ll need to talk to my lawyer first.” WHO would say that to the detectives that were investigating his son’s death, unless he, himself, had something to hide? Once the SPD had his PIN, and could access TM’s phone, what was going to prevent them from accessing Tracy’s own phone records, and downloading them?

        • LandauMurphyFan says:

          Hmmmm, do you suppose that the reason Brandy was so sure TM was on the porch that night was b/c they’d found something he’d left there? Something he’d, er, “found” on his way back from the store? Something he went “home” to drop off in a safe place so as not to lose it in a fight? Jewelry can be so hard to find if you drop it in wet grass on a dark night…

          • libby says:

            or….more to the point, stuff you dont want to get caught with (since the real cops dont play the games the school cops do to hide your criminal activitty)

        • AdukeLAXobserver says:

          Looks like a WWE belt from a toy store. Not that much money. Could have been Chad’s. I kept TV and electronic boxes in the past in case I had to move or it broke. One box appears to be a TV box. It is upside down. They could have pulled the tv out of the top of the box and folded the top closed and put it upside down so dust don’t get into it. I normally taped mine.

          But then again maybe she is up to no good. Just wanted to add another theory.

        • ftsk420 says:

          The way it’s curtained off looks to me like someone living in there.

      • canadacan says:

        Mine too. Young Martian wasn’t the brightest crayon in the box.
        “But even a potato in the celler has a certain animal cunning”- (Attributed to the Irish poet Yeats)

      • Sarah Goodwich says:

        That’s extremely far-fetched. More likely he had broken into many homes, including the 8 in the Twin Lakes, and was going ballistic on Zimmerman for “snitching” an foiling his burglary-attempts– and it likely wasn’t the first time.
        Thugs often attack citizens who get in the way of their crimes, for many reasons including revenge and intimidation, it’s about power.

    • jello333 says:

      Yep. And just think about how difficult it’s gonna be for anyone to condemn Sundance (or more broadly, the so-called “racist” Treehouse) for doing this. If this gets some stolen property — possibly something with a lot of sentimental value — back to its owners, who is gonna complain? Other than the Scheme Team and the hardcore Trayvonites, I mean? And even them… they are gonna have to be really careful how they word their complaints, especially if the victims of the burglary come out and publicly thank Sundance. This could get really interesting.

      • FrenchPug says:

        It also makes GZs claim that he looks like he’s up to no good seem much more understandable

      • nivico says:

        “Other than the Scheme Team and the hardcore Trayvonites, I mean?”

        You know some of the more fanatical JFTMers have actually claimed that CTH manufactured all of the MDSPD Internal Affairs documents, lol… I’m starting to think that there aren’t too many rational folks left waving the Justice for TM banner.

        • Viriato says:

          “I’m starting to think that there aren’t too many rational folks left waving the Justice for TM banner.”

          I really don’t think there ever were to begin with. You could show them a high res video of Trayvon beating George’s brains out and they would just keep screaming, “He never shoulda got out the car!”

      • auscitizenmom says:

        And this brings up Crumps’ self-correction from “Trayvon was walking back home” to “Trayvon was walking.” I wondered why he did that.

      • Sarah Goodwich says:

        who is gonna complain?

        The mainstream media, the bleeding-heart liberal establishment (same thing), the Black Panthers, the black community, the “No Justice No Peace” crowd (again, same thing), and everyone else who can spin any opposing truth as “racism, lies, hate-messages” and everything else.
        It never stopped them before…..

        • Jillocity says:

          the lms is salivating…waiting, hoping for race riots and killings…it’s what they want, boost their ratings because people won’t be able to resist watching…

          • Its about “justice” through intimidation… Just like Jesse and AL with large companies… What difference does the facts or evidence mean. If GZ is aqiuitted we gonna riot!

  8. John McLachlan says:

    Surely, the possibility that Trayvon Martin assaulted a school bus driver, inferred from either his brother’s or cousin’s social media would represent much more significance to the defence of George Zimmerman. If proven, it would establish that Trayvon Martin was inclined to make unprovoked, physical assaults upon law-abiding, peacefull citizens.

    If this alleged incident took place, would it be recorded in the school disciplinary records?

    Would there be any manner in which documentary evidence and possible witness testimony of this event could be uncovered and brought to the attention of the court?

    • rumpole2 says:

      You want that too? :D

      • John McLachlan says:

        I believe that many jurors may be pursuaded that burglary and theft are not necessarily reliable indicators of a propensity for violence.

        However, proof of previous unprovoked violent assaults adds credence to the defendant’s claim of self defence, after being subject to an unprovoked assault, corroborated by the physical proof of the injuries which he suffered.

        The prosecution must now concede that Trayvon Martin was involved in a burglary, but may claim that in all other aspects, he was a virtual saint.

        Many normally law-abiding citizens were involved in non-violent petty crime, when they were teenagers. Particularly boys, who wish to gain status amongst their peers.

        • FrenchPug says:

          Would the state still claim that GZ profiled Martin if it turns out that he actually had been involved in home burglaries? Zimmerman just happened to profile him correctly? Who would believe that? I think this would make jurors more likely to believe that martin was acting suspiciously

          • Chip Bennett says:

            Would the state still claim that GZ profiled Martin if…

            Given that “profiling” is not an illegal act, I would hope that the defense would object to any attempt by the State to use that term to describe Zimmerman’s behavior on the night in question.

            • FrenchPug says:

              They used the word ” profiled” in the charging instrument

              • Chip Bennett says:

                They used the word ” profiled” in the charging instrument

                Yes – one of the many specious and irrelevant things said in the PCA.

                But the PCA served its purpose (getting an arress’) – well, part of its purpose. It was also supposed to compel Zimmerman to take a plea deal. But the obstinate son-of-a decided instead to assert his innocence, thereby forcing the State to come up with an actual case against him.

          • Sarah Goodwich says:

            There were EIGHT recent break-ins in the Twin Lakes gated community.
            In the 7-11 security-video, Martin was indeed acting suspiciously, and it’s clear that the clerk was keeping a close eye on him; at which point Martin noticed this and left.

            Martin clearly wasn’t walking along minding his own bidness, but was apparently snooping around casing homes.
            If he can be connected with the 8 prior break-ins, then it can be presumed that Zimmerman had the bad fortune of catching him in the act of planning #9, and incurred “The Wrath of Trayvon.”

            • AdukeLAXobserver says:

              Normally I don’t like posting in old threads. But you have mentioned or asked, at least twice, about Trayvon possibly having something to do with breakins at Zimmerman’s neighborhood. As far as I know it was Trayvon’s first visit to the Twin Lakes.

        • Pitbull says:

          It was not burglary — it was, as his alter-Daddy Obama would call it— “social justice; re-distribution of wealth”. TM was simply following an approved policy of the Obama Thugocracy; that makes him a patriotic Amerikan–right ?

      • Sal says:

        You owe me a new keyboard….

    • FrenchPug says:

      This blows that whole profiling claim out of the water.

      • waltherppk says:

        +1,000,000 …. Boom ka-’effin’ boom ….two torpedoes amidships, and they can’t keep it suppressed as irrelevant at trial since it goes directly to the claim of “improper” criminal profiling which was a “wrong idea” only the result of a “depraved mind” of Zimmerman. If the deceased is implicated in a prior burglary, even an “uncleared” case ….it establishes as more credible the observation by Zimmerman that the subject was acting suspiciously interested in looking at houses …..which could be a pattern behavior of a burglar. It is circumstantial evidence supporting the veracity of Zimmermans observation as reported to the police dispatcher by Zimmerman. Evidently also the school resource officer had also observed Martin acting suspiciously as part of good legal reason for investigating further and finding the jewelry, which at a minimum would appear to be receipt / possession of stolen property by Martin in an uncleared case.

      • libby says:

        and punching the bus driver shows his propensity for violence (and the stolen jewelry shows his propensity for burlgary, thus a reason to be suspicious)

    • Unicron says:

      The problem is that it could have been a bus driver in Miami Gardens, Miami proper, Sanford… who knows. It could have been a school bus driver, or a city bus driver.

      I certainly think it would be worth trying to sniff around, but the thing about hitting a bus driver is that it isn’t as easy to sweep under the rug as calling jewelry “found items” when no victim is around to claim them, and he’s caught inside school by a corrupt system with an agenda to keep their numbers down.

      With a bus driver assault, now you’ve got a victim who might not let the matter just slide so easily.

      This is why I suspect the bus driver never had the slightest idea what Trayvon’s name was. If it was a city bus driver, (s)he might not have even bothered making a report. People in jobs like that in certain areas can get to a point of being pretty cynical about there being any point in doing that.

      Even if it was a school bus driver within Trayvon’s district, the driver might not have known who he was and all Trayvon would have to do is avoid the buses or that driver for a while, dress differently, and if called out by the driver… deny, deny, deny. Get really angry and loud, cow the driver into dropping the matter. You’ve seen the tactic.

      Another possibility would be that his cousin only got wind of it through the grapevine a long time after it had happened. Maybe it was tied into his being transferred to a new school? Maybe not. Maybe he even told Sybrina or someone he’d done it, and the decision was to move him to another school to avoid the possibility of him running into the same driver again and facing consequences? Who knows. I don’t think Sybrina would admit to such a thing in a billion years if she knew there was no record it could be matched to, and was just a private admission from her son to herself.

      The problem is, if there is some work-a-day bus driver person out there who could connect the dots and figure out it was Trayvon who’d punched them, what are the odds they’ll ever hear from the MSM that Trayvon might have punched a driver? How often do pictures of Trayvon representing how he looked when he punched the driver (if it happened) appear on the news? A lot of working people don’t pay close attention, and it would have to get a lot of airtime on the news before such a person would ever even be in a position to MAYBE connect those dots. Just another peril of the MSM handling things so egregiously.

      • FrenchPug says:

        Maybe a recording of the assault will mysteriously appear. It seems like everyone tapes everything these days and maybe the person didn’t realize the significance of it. Just wishful thinking on my part. But it would be nice.

        • Pitbull says:

          all school buses have video cameras in this age of ” A Clockwork Orange” ! Look for Trayvon and his droogs coming to a youtube video in the future. ………I’m singing in the rain, just singin in the rain………… etc

      • John McLachlan says:

        In the UK, most buses have video cameras, which record the activities of passengers.
        Also, most public transport companies will automatically prosecute anyone who assaults a bus driver and will provide video to police to assist in prosecution for any assault upon any other passenger.
        Are municipal buses in the US similarly equipped with video cameras?
        Are school buses?
        I suspect that the school buses may be subject to the same use of school discipline as an alternative to criminal prosecution, with similar false reporting and recording of any offences committed.
        There may be unofficial inducements for the victims to cooperate in such false reporting.
        By this I mean, possible financial settlements, which are sufficiently substantial to pursuade the victim not to press charges, but which can be reported as for some other reason: compensation for suffering an assault becomes a cash settlement for injury sustained as a result of defective seat-belt or some such admission of minor violation of workplace safety regulations.
        If the incident was reported, the student responsible would still be subject to the school disciplinary process.
        This would be recorded in the student’s records.
        Are these records, similarly falsified?
        Would a 10 day suspension for an assault be recorded, as such, or would some more innocuous reason be provided in the written record of the suspension?

        • Sarah Goodwich says:

          Excellent points.
          Zimmerman’s lawyers should be digging all this stuff up, but at least they should be apprised of it.

    • waltherppk says:

      The cell phone ping logs should be checked for the day of the burglary, to see if Martin was on the phone talking to DeeDee during the burglary. She could probably explain how Martin was stalked and attacked by a burglary victims house so it could stuff stolen jewelry in his pockets just to make him look bad. GPS might put Martin at the location of that house consistent with the time when he was accosted and victimized by that house, leading to his being falsely implicated in a burglary. Crump should call DeeDee and see if she can’t remember how that happened. Sybrina and NatJack could probably help her to remember things right. Matt Gutman and his assistant need to get ready, smells like another big press conference by Crump could be in the works. Maybe they can sue the homeowners insurance company for the cruel way their house racially profiled and stalked Martin and then self-burglarized itself upon him.

      • John Galt says:

        “The cell phone ping logs should be checked for the day of the burglary”

        They should be checked as far back as possible to see if they match other burglaries. But for Hurley’s malfeasance, Trayvon would probably have been on GPS monitored release, at a minimum.

        • waltherppk says:

          You got it … Sarcasm is irresistable for me this morning but yeah I knew those ping logs could indeed possibly give a GPS location hit for a dozen different burglarized houses with the GPS timestamps being consistent. Walking and talking on the phone could be the usual modus operandi for walkabouts when casing houses for burglaries, and it is very possible that the deceased had his phone with him as a prop and/or as an alibi that he carried as standard equipment on every job. There could be a perfect overlay on a map of pushpins marking locations for burglaries that are unsolved that associates very neatly with the GPS location and timestamp history for the phone of the deceased.

        • waltherppk says:

          We can’t forget that Pam Bondi the State Attorney General promised that no stone would be left unturned by the State’s investigation so of course the State would have already checked all the ping logs of the phone of the deceased to ascertain if there is any intersection of the GPS data and timestamps for the phone with locations of reported burglaries. Surely that would have been ordinary diligence of the State and especially for the FBI, and of course all that information O’Mara should already have from discovery, since the State has been so open and cooperative and sharing an stuff.
          Probably just to make sure the State covered this line of investigation, the State should be asked specifically about it so that the Defense doesn’t expand its demands for specific discovery by explicit motions which demand the additional discovery. Being so thorough about the investigation like Pam Bondi promised, this investigative work is probably already done and the results full disclosed to the Defense. But just to make sure this hasn’t been inadvertantly overlooked, probably O’Mara should make a formal demand for the additional discovery, expanding greatly the time frame for the phone records of the deceased, in order to compare that data with the locations of unsolved burglaries.

          • Pitbull says:

            Yes — and ask Wham Bam Pam for her PERSONAL NUDGE of the FDLE, to make sure all the rocks are looked under. She Offered. Write her a personal letter and ask for her assistance!

          • hooson1st says:


            Was there anything in yesterday’s hearing that further refines what is known (or not known) about the outstanding pinlog/cellphone issues?

            • John Galt says:

              At least some of W8′s alleged texts to Trayvon are apparently missing.

              There is at least one out of area ping (I think on a tower to the NW) by Trayvon’s phone that may refute the “Trayvon was just trying to get home” contention and may also shed light on the protracted duration of Trayvon’s return travel from the store.

            • waltherppk says:

              The mention by O’Mara of a particular distant tower being pinged which showed Martin was outside the area at the time he had been alleged to be enroute between the 7-11 and the Brandi Green residence was a very peculiar kind of statement in my opinion. Because O’Mara is using terminology about tower ping technology of 10 years ago which would only approximate the location for a phone, when the present data for GPS enabled phones provides accurate location for the phone regardless of how man towers at what distance are being pinged. It seemed like O’Mara does not grasp the situation or the FDLE does not, or more likely it is an attempt to mislead the public about the precision of GPS locations which do exist for the phones. The statement by O’Mara about a “distant tower” being pinged was language which struck me as odd because it uses forensically archaic language of yesteryear which is actually very strange given that GPS coordinates for the phones is what should be the terminology being used. It was like O’Mara was pretending they don’t know what the ping logs actually show and have not even been provided that discovery, nor do they regard it as being important. And if that is true, then it is stupid.

              • doodahdaze says:

                The ping should give a position lat and long. It would have to be nearby the tower because there are two other towers close to the main tower at twin lakes.

                • waltherppk says:

                  There is not just 1 “ping log”. Every tower in range of the phone generates its own ping log and not just every T-Mobile tower but every “roaming partner” other network tower in range. Only one tower may be actively operating as the repeater because it has the best signal strength, until for a moving phone another tower gets a better signal and then that tower hands off the signal to the stronger signaled different tower. But many towers within range would be generating “ping logs” that would show the GPS location for the phone that was anywhere within range. The whole system is a redundant cell tower network and an internetwork where the different tower networks are networked, ultimately all of them to the world wide web also. The ping logs are simultaneously stored on literally dozens of network servers all over the world. The ping logs are not secret data kept in a special “ping log box” bolted to the bottom of each cell phone tower, although there could very well be a backup copy there too if it was for some reason desired to have it there.

                  • doodahdaze says:

                    It is not that complicated. The phones have GPS. They know where they are within a few feet at all times. The towers get the info. But the phone memory prolly has it too.

              • boutis says:

                How can I put this? In my line of work, I and others like me play stupid all the time. Sometimes not exactly stupid but rather out of date, behind in technology or engineering, or not terribly familiar with a certain field, geographic eccentricities or areas of expertise. It can be a way to divert attention from what we are after, to get people to talk, or make them think we are no threat. I am not suggesting O’Mara is trying to necessarily actively deceive but maybe playing a little possum.

                • waltherppk says:

                  Well let’s all hope for George’s sake that O’Mara is just playing dumb and feigning stupidity instead of demonstrating sincerity with that bit of showmanship. Because if O’Mara doesn’t “get it” about the GPS data on the ping logs, then George doesn’t have a lawyer.

                  • myopiafree says:

                    Hi Walther PPK -
                    That is what blows my mind. Had Urig (sp.) been running the show – he would have found out PRONTO. The wishy-washy nature of O’mara is of great concern on this issue. If he did not know – he should have hired an expert to explain it to him.

                  • waltherppk says:

                    Yeah I gave him the name of one. No reply. Nobody appears to be home there, family of George and press included …crickets ..nothin’ but crickets….very strange

                  • Jillocity says:

                    “Because if O’Mara doesn’t “get it” about the GPS data on the ping logs, then George doesn’t have a lawyer.

                    one can only hope that O’Mara is playing dumb, and not actually dumb…

              • Sarah Goodwich says:

                Was Martin’s phone GPS-enabled, however? Many aren’t.

                • waltherppk says:

                  That particular phone model has precision GPS capability. Most phones made in the past few years do have the GPS.

          • Sarah Goodwich says:

            She’s only turning stones to CONVICT ZIMMERMAN, not to CLEAR him.

      • janc1955 says:

        lmao walther!!

      • Sarah Goodwich says:

        The police aren’t even sure who this “Deedee” is, apparently they’ve got TWO people who could be the alleged “girlfriend” in question, and who didn’t come out until 3 weeks after the event.

        • waltherppk says:

          You can believe the police know who was on the other end of the conversation with the deceased on 2-26-2012, unless that phone was like a “village telephone” being shared by several persons, and even then the police would have found out the identity of that person if they really wanted to do that. Actually you can believe the police know a whole lot more than will ever be put in published reports about a lot of other things.

          • Jillocity says:

            “Actually you can believe the police know a whole lot more than will ever be put in published reports about a lot of other things.”

            or that they will share with the defense…if they don’t write it down anywhere, they don’t have to share it…that’s one of the flaws in discovery

  9. dmoseylou says:

    How will Detective Manresa explain to the burglary victim that his stolen possessions have been recovered—approx. 18 mos. later? But, not “recovered” in the legal sense, since it has been gathering dust in the Property Room since Oct. 2011. Is any legal recourse available to the victim to hold M-DSPD accountable for their blatant deception and failure to further investigate “jewelry & a burglar tool” in possession of Trayvon Martin, a student with 2 previous 10-day suspensions and absent 53 days since the start of the new school year? How will the victim know this information if Det. Manresa does not specifically tell him?

    Will Det. Manresa specifically tell him?

    • waltherppk says:

      Sure and pink cowboy hat will be with the detective and they will hold a press conference so it can all be on the news. No_Limit_Nigga is the gift that just keeps on giving. Oh snap, wait a minute that jewelry and screwdriver is the estate of the deceased, so it may have to go through probate before it can be returned. Maybe O’Mara should file a motion on that, petition the estate of Martin with a “victims lien and claim” seeking return of stolen property.

    • John Galt says:

      “Is any legal recourse available to the victim”

      Wouldn’t items stolen by Saint Trayvon be priceless? The State of Florida might pay millions to buy them for display in the Trayvon Martin Cultural Center.

      • Unicron says:

        “items stolen by Saint Trayvon” I think you mean “reparations” – that is the preferred term for the Holy Relics of Saint Trayvon.

      • canadacan says:

        Yes Obama son has his legacy to be thought of also.

        • LittleLaughter says:

          Canadacan- “Yes Obama son has his legacy to be thought of also.”
          Seems Trayvon was indeed most like Obama’s imaginary son- He, too, steals from others and the theft is called something different altogether. See “sharing the wealth”.

      • waltherppk says:

        How about a No_Limit_Nigga wax museum with a life size gold grilled hoodie exhibit, to go along with the equestrian statue,.. they could flank the “blunts and sizzurp / lean” and stolen goods gallery. We need the landscapers to have an Arizona watermelon juice / watermelon patch right there on the cultural center grounds and a restaurant that serves visitors fried chicken and watermelon juice and cupcakes year round. Of course there will be tattoo artists available to do body art so that visitors can have a perpetual keepsake.

        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Walther –
          I almost “spewed” on my screen on that passage. You do wax poetic. (Wave at Bernie for me.) He is a gift of humor – that keeps on giving.

        • thefirstab says:

          Waltherppk, JG et al –youse guys are really on a roll this morning!
          Whatever you put in your coffee, I want some. :-)
          I am not ROFLMAO, I’m convulsing!

        • ctdar says:

          Don’t forget the “big drink” to go with the fried chicken!
          Omg & ‘Brinas pepto bismal colored fancy dress!!

      • mcfyre2012 says:

        “…the Trayvon Martin Cultural Center.”

        Don’t laugh…it may happen. There’s a gym named after the primary cause of the 1996 St. Petersburg, Florida race riots. (TyRon Lewis was wanted on an arrest warrant, high on cocaine and marijuana, and drove his car at a police officer…who shot and killed TyRon.)


      • Sarah Goodwich says:

        Maybe Indiana Jones can rescue them for a new movie, “The Treasure of St. Trayvon…” it can’t be worse than the last one.

    • ejarra says:

      My thoughts on this are that if they were reported to an insurance company as stolen and they paid out for them, THEY will be the ones who may take action. Of course, if I were the original owner, I would ask for a legal opinion as to what could be done to the school district for enforcing such a stupid policy.

      Hopefully, we won’t see this shoved aside. You would think that this should make the MSM soon.

      • Pitbull says:

        Someone in Orlando must print this article out and drive it down to the Orlando Sentinel. Put 4 copies in 4 different envelopes and leave them with the security guard at the front desk. (no – I have never done this before :) ). Address the envelopes to the Editor, the Publisher, The News Dept. Manager, and to Rene Stutzman. Mark the envelopes as Private / Confidential. They will definitely get delivered to the OS top brass– who can NEVER claim ignorance of these facts. I am no longer in Fla. or I would do it myself. Do the same with Channel 9 (?) in Orlando. Take away ALL excuses. Come to think of it, I may have done this in the past– and it forced coverage of my issue on my terms. It is called JAMMING THE FACTS / TRUTH DOWN THEIR THROATS !

      • AdukeLAXobserver says:

        If they had insurance, and turned in a claim, they could have been paid. But the jewelry could have been valued at a amount under the deductible. Then they would have gotten nothing back or something less than they should. Also there could have been pieces not valued at much that meant more to the victims than they received from the insurance company. If they can get that back they should.

      • Sarah Goodwich says:

        You can be sure it will swept under the nearest rug.
        It’s disturbing to think how often this goes on right under our noses, as governement agencies like police, schools and other play politics to keep information from the people they’re supposedly SERVING..
        It’s sickening!

  10. Knuckledraggingwino says:

    Fantastic job SDC.

    If the Jewelry “found” on TM is identified as stolen property and is claimed by it’s rightful owner, the situation could become extremely complicated for the police, the FDLE, the State Attorney’s office, BDLR and Judge Nelson.

    Consider the possibility that TM’s fingerprints were found at the scene of burglary. Consider the implications.

    Were TM’s fingerprints found at other burglaries or other crimes? Will these crimes now be solved? Will it be established that TM was a habitual criminal?

    Did the SPD or coroner take fingerprints from TM’s carcass to identify him? If so, what is their excuse for not comparing them to the fingerprints stored in criminal records databases?

    IIRC, there were tweets from TM’s associates regarding a possible gang rape that they committed. If so, is it possible that a positive ID of TM’s fingerprints or DNA will connect him to this sexual assault or other rapes?

    • auscitizenmom says:

      Wow, loaded questions.

    • libby says:

      The media is gonna have to work double time to cover this up

      • Pitbull says:

        See my post at 9:51 AM — Jam the truth down the medias throat !

      • doodahdaze says:

        Actually they will not have to work at all. The Maynard G. Krebs media just hangs around an waits to be told what to report. I kid you not.

      • Sarah Goodwich says:

        They’ll have plenty of help from The Prophet Trayvon fund.

      • Jillocity says:

        if you believe the media will cover ANY of this, i have a very nice bridge i’d like to sell you, or how about some ocean front property in Arizona?

    • nivico says:

      “Consider the possibility that TM’s fingerprints were found at the scene of burglary. Consider the implications.”

      Like I was saying in an earlier post, it’s rare to give a burglary crime scene the full ‘CSI’ treatment… so I doubt the home was even dusted for prints and any prints that may have been there are long gone.

      However…… if the screwdriver found on Trevon was used to gain entry into the home, there’s a very good chance that the tool mark impressions left behind would still be there in the door or window frame. Unless the forced entry caused more than cosmetic damage, it’s typically not worth the expense to repair. This could be a possible route to match the ‘burglary tool’ found on Trevon to this and other crime scenes with a similar m.o..

      • doodahdaze says:

        I had a small boat stolen by some young punks in a subsidized project nearby. The cop’s found it deserted and I had to go get it at the lot. But they did take prints. I never heard if they caught them.

  11. auscitizenmom says:

    Wow, just Wow, Sundance. :)

  12. FrenchPug says:

    Now I realize how stupid this is going to sound but I’ve been up all night so stupid things are funny. Skittles just came out with “Darkside” skittles. That’s what they are called, Darkside. Under the title it says, “The other side of the rainbow.” That seems somehow appropriate. Unfortunately none are watermelon. There are blood orange, pomegranate, forbidden fruit, dark berry, and midnight lime flavors.

  13. boutis says:

    I had to work a little yesterday and could not respond to a question posed by Sundance in the hearing thread. The question was “sundance says:
    April 30, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    boutis, what did they say about MDSPD ??
    My transcription from the hearing is as follows beginning at 2:44:59
    M: And did that information file include documentation of criminal activity by Trayvon Martin that had not been previously disclosed to us?
    W: Yes
    M: Nothing further your honor.
    J: Any recross?
    B: Did this alleged criminal activity turn out for naught, is that correct sir, as we just deposed those witnesses in Miami and isn’t it true that the school board member said it is not a crime this allegation about a weapon not a weapon under their criteria is that not true.
    W: The report that Mr O’Mara is referring to is a 7 or 8 page police report from the Miami Dade…..
    J: I am stopping this right now of this questioning because we are getting way beyond that which is alleged and I don’t need to go into those specifics.

    • boutis says:

      Obviously the judge did not want this coming out in a motions hearing. I apologize for any transcription errors that I may have made.

      Are school board members allowed to determine what is and isn’t criminal activity in the state of Florida? Who is this school board member and to what policy are they referring to? What weapon? Was it a burglary tool instead? Is this the issue MOM was referring to that needed more time before the judge once he files his motion? Is the special prosecutor trying MDSPD’s tactic of redefining criminal activity with new criteria that have nothing to do with the state criminal code but rather their own attempt to reduce criminal statistics. Is a screwdriver defined as a weapon in the school districts standards except when exempted by a member of the school board?

      • recoverydotgod says:

        A school board member attended this event.

        Students hold candlelight vigil in honor of Trayvon Martin
        Candlelight vigil held at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High

        Published On: Mar 26 2012 11:01:45 PM EDT


        Superintendent of Schools Alberto M. Carvalho and School Board member Dr. Martin Karp were present and addressed the students, along with Principal Dawn Baglos, Trayvon’s teacher Michelle Kypriss, and Miami-Dade Schools Police Chief Charles Hurley.

      • cboldt says:

        The state and the judge are all about redefining things. Bernie would argue that sky blue and navy blue are the same, because they are both blue. He argued that the third generation unintelligible recording of the Crump/Witness 8 interview was the same as the first generation intelligble one produced after much pushing by defense.

        Prevaricators, all. That’s what “the law” is all about, fancified prevarication.

        • Chip Bennett says:

          The state and the judge are all about redefining things.

          Indeed. Case in point: BDLR’s (Waving Hi, Bernie!) attempted re-definition of exculpatory as it applies to discovery disclosure required by Brady.

          Of course, West ate his lunch on that one.

          • boutis says:

            Be that as it may, I think the state of Florida is crazy. Carl Hiaasen’s fictional characters have nothing on this bunch of loons. BDLR opened this door with his question and West managed to answer it with “Miami-Dade” before Judge “Schultz-I know nothing-nothing!” shut him down because she knew EXACTLY what he was talking about. Trayvon Martin’s prior acts are going to be brought up in motions and another round of appeals. Who defines what a criminal act is- the state legislature or a school board member? Is a criminal act still a criminal act if a school board member decides to call it a bowl of oatmeal?

            • cboldt says:

              Nelson is going to throw a monkey wrench into the defense attempt to bring this before the trial. De la Rionda is obviously going to move to have it excluded, and I predict that (unless the news reports turn public opinion agianst Martin) Nelson will find the evidence irrelevant and/or immaterial.

              FWIW, the admissiblity doesn’t turn on “criminal vs. not criminal,” unless Martin is on trial, in which case his record is inadmissible on account of being prejudicial. IOW, assume for the sake of argument that the allegations aren’t criminal, under whatever defintion you want to adopt (Bernardo will argue it’s not admissible unless it’s criminal, and it’s not criminal unless there is a conviction, and if there is a conviction, then it’s not admissible on account of being prejudicial). The finding that the actions aren’t criminal doesn’t mean the actions aren’t relevant for the purpose of trying to understand events of the night of 26 February 2012.

              • boutis says:

                Thank goodness for that at least but I expect this judge to mess that up too. Another interesting tidbit from West was the redaction from I think W8′s deposition of who TM’s “friends” were. I’m sure the argument is that they were/are minors but I bet their own records with the cops are illuminating.

              • doodahdaze says:

                I was thinking about that. Maybe it could go to motive. The fact he could commit crimes and get away with it because he is black. He was caught and let go. Maybe he did it just because he thought he could. The Miami system made it clear to him he could do it and no penalty would apply even if caught.

      • nivico says:

        According to the (new revised) 2012-2013 MD Schools weapons policies, it states that:

        Model students avoid “possessing, using, distributing or selling any object , controlled substance or weapon that could inflict serious harm or place a person in fear of serious harm.”

        While the new revised policy does more specically later mention weapons such as guns, bombs, knives, etc… I swear when I looked at the policy last year it gave examples regarding what types of items routinely would fall under the more ambiguous ‘objects…that could inflict serious harm.’

        I also took a look at the TSA’s list of prohibited items to see what their stance was on screwdrivers… apparently length matters: anything under seven inches is ok.

        In any event, does the school board member really want to go on record stating that it’s ok for students to bring makeshift weapons such as screwdrivers to school?

        • nivico says:

          …and if this school board member is claiming out of some misguided sense of sympathy for the deceased that a screwdriver doesn’t fall under “objects…that could inflict serious harm,” then what would?

    • cboldt says:

      Here’s another instance of Bernie redefining “crime.” If it’s not a weapon, then there is no allegation of being in possession of stolen goods, no allegation of being in possession of a burglary tool, and no probable cuase for suspecting Martin practiced burglary.

      Why did Nelson let O’Mara and West ramble about assorted other discovery violations, other than what the motion sought (money for chasing witness 8 hospitalization claim)? Funny too, Nelson shut this down on Bernardo. O’Mara was done.

    • AghastInFL says:

      I am very interested in the “screwdriver” that is now described as both a “burglary tool” and a “weapon/non-weapon” my guess is that it sharpened to a point or filed in some manner; trayvonista-apologist like to claim that is just a flat-head screwdriver while ignoring the police descriptions are far more descriptive.

  14. dizzymissl says:

    You da bomb SDC.

    Nice work.

  15. BertDilbert says:

    “I believe that many jurors may be persuaded that burglary and theft are not necessarily reliable indicators of a propensity for violence.”

    No but it may indicate that Trayvon may have been acting strangely or “staking houses” that Zimmerman picked up on.

    The victim that gets their jewelry back might be good to have at the trial as a witness that they got back their stuff that was found on Trayvon. O’Mara could easily play that into the acting suspicious.

    I also wonder if the reporter who broke the story will do a followup :)??

    • dizzymissl says:

      Yes. I was wondering what MSM will do with this too.

      • libby says:

        the LSM has done NOTHING about this case except lie, obfuscate and foment racial animosity thus far and I predict they shall do the same for years and years to come

      • mung says:

        Some might be paying attention now.

        • CCG says:

          Can Scott appoint a special prosecutor to look into the coverup? I think I will be writing to our dear governor as a resident of this messed up state. As a taxpayer, I would like to know why my tax dollars are going to support this kind of deceit. Why is the state allowing all students to be put at risk for this misguided policy? Since we learned at the hearing a screwdriver is not considered a weapon in Miami Dade Schools, I suppose the schools would have no problem with every student coming to school with such items.

          I would also like to know what the criteria was to actually charge a student with a criminal act. Since there were some actual crimes reported in the statistics, how was it decided who to charge? How serious did the crime have to be? How many times did a student have to be suspended before he/she was no longer eligible for the so called “diversion” programs? Was there a quota, luck of the draw, day of the week…what??? Have we even heard of TM being in any kind of diversion program? I would think the third suspension, especially for the “found” jewelry, should have qualified for some kind of intervention.

          • howie says:

            Maybe the court could have a drawing every day at arraignment. All blacks get to draw straws. 1/2 short and 1/2 long then they could let all the short straws go. That would reduce crime by 50% in Floriduh.

          • Unicron says:

            The problem with having thugs in our schools along side good kids is that everything has to become prohibited… I could easily see there being some high school kids who’d want a screwdriver for tinkering with electronics or computers or model cars they liked to do with a school club after class or somewhere they went to directly after school rather than home… etc, those innocent reasons.

            But kids like Trayvon ruin it for everyone. It’s sort of like Vermont not needing any gun laws, in the right environment (right demographics) you can have almost no laws and be fine. Same with school rules.

  16. ejarra says:

    Us nutters may find this interesting:


    An excerpt: “And by the way…if one of the cops would be willingly to chime in here…I was wondering?? If committing a criminal act such as what the chief did, does the immunity from direct/personal lawsuits still hold? Or is he himself still immune from civil action since it was in the line of his job as a cop?”

    • John Galt says:

      “Taking children to jail for petty offenses, especially in the numbers this agency did, is shameful and unwarranted.”

      Burglary is a minimum of a third degree felony. So a felony is now a petty offense? There is also the problem of the castle doctrine and getting the little “children” shot by homeowners to think about.

      • boutis says:

        I think the MDSPD had that “oh $*(@!” moment when the “little kid” in this case WAS shot by a homeowner even if it was in the common area of his home.

      • waltherppk says:

        For a burglar it is true that getting shot would be an occupational hazard. So when a burglar gets shot is it just workplace violence?

        • ftsk420 says:

          So if I break into you home you shoot me and I don’t die I can sue you right.

          • waltherppk says:

            Maybe a “hostile work environment complaint” …I’m sure the BGI can come up with some convoluted way to redefine reality about who is the “victim”.

            • Chip Bennett says:

              I’m sure the BGI can come up with some convoluted way to redefine reality about who is the “victim”.

              He didn’t hafta’ come outta the closet?

          • rumpole2 says:

            Not as far fetched as you might think… Government in NZ has largely shut down shooting anybody…..or even suing anybody… but there have been MANY cases of Burglars being awarded compensation payouts for injuries sustained while committing their crimes.

            • rumpole2 says:

              AND property owners fined (sued) for having some sort of “hazard” on their own property that caused the burglar (thief’s) injury… go figure!

            • auscitizenmom says:

              Does the government cover “workplace accidents?”

            • doodahdaze says:

              Dang. Everyone will have to get Dobermans.

              • auscitizenmom says:

                No, no, no, then they would put the dog down if he bit somebody and charge the homeowner with something.

    • HughStone says:

      Was this because of TM? Suzy Milano Berrios. Some mentioned her name on the replies there.

      • boutis says:

        Yes. Then she tried to get another job and did not tell them she was suspended. That school district did not vet her very well, I think they used Hurley who was on suspension himself for a glowing reference, but then rescinded the job offer when the local paper make a stink about it. The paper said it was really hard to use Google to find it.

  17. Trevor says:

    Great piece of investigative work Sundance. It makes you wonder how many other ‘unsolved’ crimes there might be in the neighborhoods surrounding Kop high-school.

    • libby says:

      or in the entire COUNTY……this is bigger than trayvon…..this is bigger than watergate……
      sundance-I pronounce you and your gang the next woodward and bernstein

    • ftsk420 says:

      Ever watch the show the wire when they legalized the sale and use of drugs in a certain area to drop crime rates in the rest of the neighborhood.

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  19. mung says:

    Clearly we are over reacting to this. You know that Trayvon had that jewelry to melt down the gold so that he could coat the inside of his astronaut helmet. He was totally innocent, or something.

  20. Ugh says:

    Do we know who leaked the story to Robles?

    • sundance says:

      No, that was never identified in the Internal Affairs investigation. We do know it appears not to have been leaked from Miami-Dade.

      My personal hunch is the report sent by Hadley to Sanford’s detective Randy Smith was leaked from Sanford….. by someone.

      The police report mentioned in court yesterday (8 or 9 pages) is this report sent from M-DSPD to SPD. Hurley said in his affidavit it was 8 pages plus a cover page.

      However, it appears the report O’Mara now has – did not come from the State, or Sanford, et al. To the contrary it appears the defense got it on their own, from M-DSPD, using Nelson’s previous court order to unseal the record.

    • Unicron says:

      a good person

  21. HughStone says:

    Depending on what time the burglary was reported, the school might have been made aware of the crime. If it happened during school hours then the school would check who was absent at the time of the crime. The victim house is close to the school, so that’s their first thought. Maybe TM arrives late to school after crime. School PD sees him & searched his backpack. It doesn’t make sense to search someones’ backpack because they have a marker.

    • mung says:

      I think the search would be standard procedure when pinched for anything.

    • sundance says:

      Trayvon was known to leave school, “skip out” during the day. This is how he accumulated so many absences (53) in only a few months. This was also the reason for his initial suspension.

      Suspended #1 – Skipping class, excessive tardies and absences.
      Suspended #2 – Criminal Mischief – Graffiti (and the hidden stolen stuff)
      Suspended #3 – Drug use – Marijuana, and Marijuana pipe. {this might have actually been an expulsion, if you look at his tweets etc}

      • ftsk420 says:

        did I read that report carefully where he said there was more to the marijuana.

        • LetJusticePrevail says:

          Here’s something to note about Hadley’s affidavit, as well. According to him, the SPD *already* knew that TM had been suspended for possession of cannabis when Sgt randy Smith contacted him on 2/29/12. Only Tracy Martin could have told that tothe SPD. But didn’t the family at first deny any knowledge of TM’s drug use?

  22. deanno says:

    Just to clarify—is Sundance’s research saying that the items stolen in the October 2011 Miami burglary EXACTLY the same as the items in ST Trayvon’s bookbag?

    • Xballer52 says:

      I I think that has yet to be determined. Time will tell; however, according to those who have seen the the reports, there are some striking similarities in the descriptions of the jewelry contained within each report.

      I guess, time will tell…..hopefully the victim can be located to identify the jewelry. If I had to wager, if the victim is located, there will be an affirmative confirmation.

      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Xballer –
        “Yet to be determined”? With all due respect, as SOON as the police recovered stolen property – they have a sworn duty to ATTEMPT TO FIND THE LEGAL OWNER! They can not “hide it away” – for any reason at all. If anything, there is an obligation to PICTURES – so the real owns can get their property back.

        • Xballer52 says:

          I agree 100%, it is nearly a crime in and of itself to make no attempt at discovering who the owner of what may indeed be thousands of dollars of jewelry is.

          I was just commenting that at this time, we don’t know with absolute certainty that the jewelry will match. If I had to GUESS, I would say yes….I just tend to be cautious.

          Those who are privy to the reports seem to think there is a connection!!!!

    • sundance says:

      There was more stolen than was found in the backpack, but all in the backpack was on the PD incident report.

      • doodahdaze says:

        Maybe he had to split the loot.

        • LetJusticePrevail says:

          Or maybe the loot was received as payment for the sale of an illegal substance.

          • John Galt says:

            Promethazine-codeine cough syrup can be pretty expensive w/o a prescription.

            • LetJusticePrevail says:

              I was thinking more along the lines of MJ, but who knows? Anything is possible.

        • Lee says:

          Folks that B/E do not always work alone. He was absent so much from school – I would speculate that this was probably what kept him too busy to bother going to school on a regular basis. It is possible that the larger items either got ditched along the way – brought back home/accomp.house – or kept in the trunk of a car. Since he didn’t have a license or drive – they need to check with the friends/family that he rode with. I hope the police or O’Mara was able to search the places he stayed. Although, if there was any evidence it probably was disposed of – just like all the social media was immediately erased – and school records sealed. CUDOS to Sundance for unearthing the link. If the media and politicians were not so racist and biased – they would have done their jobs and exposed some of the truths before they ruined the Zimmerman family. Since you obviously read these posts BDLR – trying seeking justice, being fair and impartial, and doing your job – why be remembered for destroying an innocent man and his family? No job is worth selling your soul for…..remember Duke.

          • doodahdaze says:

            This is interesting. Now. Since the start I have had a gut feeling something was going on that night at the Brandy condo. Another feeling that TM was trying to middle some kine thing between Miami and Orlando. Just a feeling about it. Ahhh dunno and no proof.

            • LetJusticePrevail says:

              Was it TM that had a thing going between Miami and Orlando, or was it someone else? Someone who traveled “regularly” between those two cities, as part of a “regular” job?

      • LetJusticePrevail says:


        Have you previously posted copies of these two reports, or, do you plan to do so in the near future?

        Miami-Dade Police Report (PD111021-422483)

        School Police report 2011-11477

        • sundance says:

          I have thought of it – but decided not to. The victim of the burglary should not be made a public spectacle just because they were robbed by a now famous teen. I shared this concern with Detective Manresa, and also the reason I redacted their address. However, it is public information and takes little effort to retrieve.

          But the victims identity will not be compromised by me – think about it….. what did they do? They certainly did not ask for any media spotlight. So no, you ain’t going to see that from me.

          School Police report #2011-1147 is in the hands of the defense team. O’Mara/West mentioned it yesterday during the hearing (the 8 or 9 page report).

          • LetJusticePrevail says:

            I totally agree with your decision. The victim’s name should not be revealed, and thereby opened up to numerous contacts from 3rd parties. I was interested in (hopefully) seeing the descriptions of the items that were stolen, for the purpose of matching the two reports.

            Also, I was curious if you had considered contacting the victim, rather than the Detective, just to verify that he/she HAS been contacted by the MDPD, and to see if the victim has positively ID’d the “found” jewelry as being his/her property?

          • doodahdaze says:

            I understand the sentiment. But I think that all the secrecy is one of the main problems. Star Chambers.

          • Floridianne says:

            We know the burglary was on 10-21-11. When was the property recovered by Dunn and placed in M-DSPD? Sorry if the info’s out there, I missed it.

      • John Galt says:

        Wondering (1) how much more and (2) what was in the box(es) (alleged to contain clothes) delivered by Tracy to Brandi’s garage.

      • libby says:

        Some items fit in backpacks better than others

  23. Tuduri says:

    Imagine how the parent of a child who has been charged with a crime in Sanford feels when they see that the criminal actions of another child have been categorized as non-criminal. Where’s the equal protection? Imagine if the distinction were based on…..?

    • John Galt says:

      And where is the line? Burglary, trespassing, truancy, vandalism, possession of drugs, drug paraphernalia, stolen property and burglary tools is apparently not a crime. Chopping up your mother is apparently still treated as a crime. What about beating the crap out of a bus driver? What about drug dealing? What about rape?

  24. ftsk420 says:

    Did Miami mess with Kit Durantt records to cause he wound up killing his own mother.

    • mommakk51 says:

      No. Kit Darrant’s juvenile records are on the Miami-Dade clerk’s website. Some under his mother’s name, and one under his… However, there is nothing on him killing his mother.. so did they baker act him for that??
      Also, it really stumps me that his juvenile records are there, but not Trayvon’s. Especially since they went to the same school.

      • ftsk420 says:

        Doesn’t mean they didn’t mess with them. They could have made bigger charges into smaller ones.

      • auscitizenmom says:

        Could Brandy have had something to do with that? She was in a different county, I think, but maybe she had “friends.”

  25. maggiemoowho says:

    Fantastic Sundance !!! :) !!! Teens don’t just walk around carrying jewelry and screwdrivers in their book bags and I hated that the school PD never looked further into the situation.
    This info really makes me think about that Al Sharpton interview with Crump explained that DeDe said that TM had to hit the code to the gate and he ran into the first building. Funny how she never mentioned TM hitting a code when interviewed by the state or defense, I’m curious if it was a code pad to someone’s garage or home.

    “CRUMP: The whole time when he went to store, when he came back from
    store. All day, they talk. When you look at the cell phone records that
    blows Zimmerman`s testimony out of the water. Because she says and it`s so
    logical when she tells the story. He was walking home from that 7-eleven,
    and it started raining. He ran into the complex, had to hit the code, got
    into the gate, went to the first building he saw to get out of the rain.
    Stood there, let the rain subside, then he starts that walking back. She
    calls him back because he got off when it was raining.”


  26. Rich Branson says:

    It was all just an accident. Tray-Tray was saving someone from a grease fire and the stolen property accidentally fell into his bag. Nothing to see here folks.

    • mung says:

      No, no no, you got it all wrong. Trayvon has been totally misunderstood. See he found the jewelry and he was trying to find it’s owner, that is what he was doing on the lockers, writing a lost and found poster.

      It is just like he was misunderstood the night he died. See a bear was actually lose in the neighborhood and it attacked George, Trayvon was just strolling along and saw the attack and was trying to help George. Trayvon got on top of him to administer CPR and he noticed that there was blood on George’s nose so he was holding his hands on George’s face to try to stop the bleeding.

  27. jordan2222 says:

    That letter is absolutely brilliant. Clearly a lot of work and time went into it. It demanded a response. No one could have ignored it.

    • sundance says:

      The letter was needed by Detective Manresa. How was he going to explain solving the crime. He has reports he also needs to file and needed to explain how he got from A to Z.

      That was the reason for the letter of explanation – it was his request, for his report….

      ….. obviously the issues raised with this discovery are sensitive on many differing levels.

      • doodahdaze says:

        Amazing. Solving a burglary is “sensitive.” I am just flabbergasted in my old age. This has come a long way from Joe Friday and Dragnet. Just the facts maam. What would he have thought of this stuff? Plus Ultra!

  28. jordan2222 says:

    O’Mara wants a lot of time for a hearing on an issue that Nelson would never let him explain in the hearing. Could Trayvon’s criminal past be a part of that?

  29. AghastInFL says:

    Did a copy of this letter to Det. Manresa find its way to the desk of Frances Robles? if not it probably should…

  30. Shilo says:

    Regarding various comments about the large screw driver in the backpack – this is a very common burglary tool as you can use it to pry open doors and windows. To find someone with a burglary tool AND stolen property together strongly implies that the person is not just in possession of stolen property but is also the burglar. To dismiss it as “found” jewelry is either gross negligence or worse…

    • M Page says:

      Any one who referres to a 17 year old as a child needs to think again. He”s a young man, and .. if he doesn’t know right from wrong only learned it from one place …his parents or custodians. sinse when does a young black person deserve more liberal rights than a young white person.Are we to ignore his various charges, just because he’s black.. Black or white the law is the law. Don”t do the crime , if you can’t do the time.

  31. waltherppk says:

    Make absolutely sure that Stutzman is copied on that letter and this entire thread. Dear God Renee, …it’s been too long my Darling …so come on you sweet young thang, let’s dance :D

  32. ftsk420 says:

    Just found this online.

    What are Burglary Tools?
    Burglary tools are any tools or devices that are used to assist a person in committing burglary. Also called “burglar’s tools”, or burglar tools, they are illegal to possess with the intent to commit a burglary.

    Burglary can be defined as the unauthorized entry into a building with the intent to commit a crime within the structure. Sometimes, “unauthorized entry” is defined similarly to breaking and entering (though not in all jurisdictions). Thus, burglary tools are those that allow a person to forcibly break their way into a home or building.

    What are some Examples of Burglary Tools?
    Every jurisdiction has different definitions of burglary tools, but they usually include:

    Crowbars, slim jims, and other prying devices
    Lock picks and devices used for opening/decoding locks
    Screwdrivers, pliers, hammers, and other common hand tools
    Ropes for climbing
    Masks, gloves, and other clothing used to hide identity or fingerprints
    Heavy duty tools capable of burning through concrete, steel, and other solid materials, such as torches and thermal lances
    Explosives like dynamite or gunpowder
    Note that some of the items listed here are common, everyday items that most persons own and use on a daily basis. What “transforms” such items into a burglary tool is the person’s intent in possessing them. If it is clear that the person intends to use such tools for a burglary, then they can be charged with possession of burglary tools.

    How is “Intent to Commit a Burglary” Determined?
    Intent to commit a burglary is required in order to be charged with possession of burglary tools. A court usually considers the totality of the circumstances when determining if a person intended to commit a robbery.

    Suppose that a person is using a crowbar in their neighbor’s yard to help them dismantle wooden crates. They probably wouldn’t be charged with possession of a burglary tool, since they have are not intending to burglarize their neighbor’s home, but are helping them.

    On the other hand, suppose that the same person is standing in front of a convenience store with the same crowbar. It is 3 a.m., the store is closed, they are dressed in dark clothing, they are holding a small bag, and are wearing a mask. In this case, the circumstances might indicate that they are intending to burglarize the store. As such they might be charged with possession of a burglary tool.

    Thus, intent to commit a burglary can be determined by considering:

    The way the defendant is dressed at the time of possession
    The time of day and the location of the defendant
    The nature of the building or structure where the defendant was found
    Whether the person possessed other tools or items that would suggest a burglary
    Documents or previous statements by the defendant (i.e., “I’m going to rob that store next week”)
    Witness testimony
    What are the Legal Penalties for Possession of Burglary Tools?
    Possession of burglary tools is may be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony, depending on local laws. Misdemeanors can result in criminal fines and/or jail time of up to one year. Felony charges will result in higher fines, and/or a prison sentence of greater than one year.

    Also, possession of burglary tools is a separate crime from burglary itself. A person can be charged with both burglary and possession of burglary tools for the same “heist”. This means that burglaries committed with the use of burglary tools will result in stiffer penalties than burglaries committed without them.

    Most criminal defenses will apply to possession of burglary tools, including factual innocence, lack of evidence, intoxication, and coercion.

    Do I Need a Lawyer for Possession of Burglary Tools Charges?
    Burglary laws are quite complex and can vary from region to region. Possession of burglary tools is a serious offense, but there may be defenses available. If you have any questions or need advice regarding possession of burglary tools charges, you should contact a criminal lawyer immediately. A qualified criminal defense attorney will be able to provide you with sound representation and counsel during court proceedings.


    • yankeeintx says:

      I once had a debate on Huffpo about a screwdriver being considered a weapon. (In our school district it would be). Their claim was he was he was taking mechanical courses. In our district tools are provided, or students receive permission slips for specialized tools. I explained that if you don’t think it is a weapon, trying putting one in your back pocket next time you attempt to board a flight.

    • auscitizenmom says:

      Thanks for the post. Really informative. But, two things jumped out at me.
      “On the other hand, suppose that the same person is standing in front of a convenience store with the same crowbar. It is 3 a.m., the store is closed, they are dressed in dark clothing, they are holding a small bag, and are wearing a mask. ” and “The way the defendant is dressed at the time of possession”. Such as a hoodie and carrying a plastic bag, just looking around??

      • ftsk420 says:

        We all know that what you find suspicious might not be what I find suspicious doesn’t make you wrong and doesn’t make it illegal for you to check. Some people like to wait till something happens before doing something but if you can stop it before it happens why not.

  33. Scott says:

    Bravo sundance, bravo!

  34. Kaylor says:

    SO! All they were doing was protecting thugs and punks to keep their own record clean. Doesn’t that encourage them to commit crimes, when they know they will not be turned in to the police? Does this have any affect on the George Zimmerman trial? Bloody pictures show that he had been assaulted. Was Trayvon Martin out robbing homes the night he was killed?

  35. recoverydotgod says:

    Way 2 go, sundance!

    • sundance says:

      Re-read the Hadley affidavit closely. You may identify a secondary concern – which is bothering me. I mean REALLY bothering me.

      • doodahdaze says:

        Wonder what Billy Corbin down in Miami would think about all this? This stuff is right in his wheelhouse.

      • HughStone says:

        Det. “Malrifa”= Manresa?
        He was trying to get the pictures of the items but they stonewalled.

        • sundance says:

          ? = yes.

          Dunno, what’s your take on the transaction? (based on Handley’s affidavit)

          • John Galt says:

            They tried to intimidate Hadley when they were taking his statement with bogus insinuations about Board attorneys and FERPA (which doesn’t protect records of dead students and doesn’t protect records of school police departments). At the conclusion of the investigation they determined that Hadley violated RU SOP, not FERPA, and did not impose any discipline sufficient to trigger Hadley’s right of appeal. So basically they concocted a bogus SOP to improperly hide criminal records and improperly fail to make proper reports of student crimes and then closed the investigation by verbally counseling Hadley about compliance with the bogus SOP. All apparently designed to avoid judicial review of their bogus coverup.

            1. Did they ever publish the bogus SOP? Seems to me that since they “convicted” Hadley of violating a rule, they would need to identify and publish the rule, as well as explain specifically when, where and how Hadley violated the rule.

            2. Did anybody ever talk to SRO Dunn about Trayvon’s misconduct?

            • LetJusticePrevail says:

              One thing I noticed in all of the affidavits, the IA Detective *tried* to insert the phrase “can be used against you in a court of law” but was corrected by the FOP representative who stated that it could NOT be used against them in a court of law.

              BUT, the detective continued to say it to the other officers, even once she knew it would be challenged. THAT seems like a very obvious attempt to intimidate the people who were the subjects of the investigation.

          • LetJusticePrevail says:

            According to Hadley, he was taking pictures to document the evidence for the M-DSPD files, but was told that “they (the M-DPD) weren’t getting anything,” meaning that the jewelry was staying at the M-DSPD evidence locker, and that the M-DPD could go pound sand. THAT bothers me. Also, according to Hadley’s affidavit, the M-DPD *already* had *pictures* of the jewelry. THAT raises some questions:

            1) When did the PD get the pics of the jewelry?
            2) Did the PD ever try to determine the lawful ownership of the jewelry *prior* to exposure by the TM shooting?
            3) WHY did the PD need the actual jewelry? Did they have a possible ID on who the rightful owner was, and needed the actual jewelry for the purpose of final verification?
            4) WHY did the School PD want to prevent the PD from taking the jewelry?

            And if I wanted to go on, I could probably ask a dozen more questions…

            But there was one OTHER thing in Hadley’s statement that troubles me. He said that at that time, everyone was either “trying to make the kid look good, or trying to make him look bad.” Now, when he said that, was he talking about the media and public in general, or was he talking about people in his department? Is he saying that people in the department were *at that very time* working to falsify records specifically about TM? This would be a WHOLE new ballgame, over and above the issue of Hurley’s scheme to “cook the books.”

      • ctdar says:

        Is it me or the last 20 pages of hadleys affadavit (71-91)

      • ctdar says:

        Scratch that, just logged in & out of affidavit and they are there, sorry.

      • recoverydotgod says:

        Alright…will tonight after science paper is finito !

      • hooson1st says:

        SD do you mean the Hadley sworn testimony as the Hadley affidavit??

      • recoverydotgod says:

        Where’s the fax cover sheet? I didn’t see it in the file. [see Pg 12 of the formal affidavit.]

  36. eastern2western says:

    come on man. trayvon had a screw driver in his back pack as a possible tool to be use for helping people with flat tires. that whole marijuana possession thing is part of life in tracy’s house.

    • auscitizenmom says:

      “for helping people with flat tires” To help make them flat?

      • ftsk420 says:

        No No No the screw driver was for the space shuttle he was building. He was working on turning marijuana into fuel for the space shuttle. The gold was to be used for the circuit boards.

  37. mcfyre2012 says:

    Outstanding job, SD!

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  39. deanno says:

    Someone more technically savvy than I should send this article to the comments section of all the Miami papers as well as to The Daily Caller. Brilliant job Sundance!

  40. anniemae says:

    I found the ‘treehouse’ a few weeks ago and have enjoyed reading the informative articles. When I brought up the ‘found jewelry’ on another site, other posters posted links of old news articles from around March of 2012 stating that the Miami-Dade Police could not tie the jewelry to any reported thefts. The articles said that a photo of the jewelry was sent to the police department.

    Is anyone familiar with that claim? I wonder if it was one photo of all the jewelry lumped together….

    Here is a link to one of the articles:


  41. dizzymissl says:

    I sent this to Drudge. Maybe he will pick it up:)

  42. arkansasmimi says:

    Lol trying to catch up, so if dupli sorry!! WOLVERNINES~

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  45. Phelps says:

    Here’s something that has always bothered me — WTF is lame graffiti if it means “what the F-”. Has anyone with knowledge of gang activity in Tampa or Sanford opined on whether or not that is a known gang tag? The TF could easily be “Tampa Florida”, with the only question being what the W stands for.

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  50. @notalemming says:

    Reblogged this on YourDaddy's Politics and commented:
    We need to amend this post with this from AmericanThinker.com

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  52. Rachael says:

    I have a theory that I’m going to share because . . . . well, why not? We have a “president” who is champing (yes, champing, not chomping) at the bit to declare Martial Law. What if he told the prosecution to lose the case so there would be riots all over America? That said, I hope the property is returned to its rightful owner. As for the late Trayvon, I’ve repeatedly said that had he not gotten in trouble at school, he might be alive today. Given the scheme to protect the percentages at the high school regarding blacks and crime, that too may have contributed to his death. Think about it. Had he been punished appropriately, he might have stopped his rotten behavior, done something productive, and still be alive today.

    • dws says:

      I don’t doubt the desires of TPTB for riots and racial hatred is spot on, but the case was essentially unwinnable. That’s why the original investigators didn’t file charges and why it never went to a grand jury. They didn’t have to try to lose. They just had to pull the race card every chance they got in and out of the court and after the verdict as well.

  53. My problem is this, How many White Kindergartners’ and 1st grader’s were arrested in the last year or so or playing cowboys and Indians, Or pointing there hand like a gun etc. But Gang Bangers and thefts and other crimes are being looked the other way because The police doesn’t want to arrest black youths? Really? And that is the reason the Miami has such a high Crime rate. Oh lets just slap on the hand and let them go and let them do it again. Sad just Sad. But I have read in other places recently they arrest a woman for buying water mistaken for beer, They arrest peaceful protesters etc.

  54. To improve crimes in the school they just stop reporting them,because it will affect the apparent success of black education.mean while they run wild thinking they can get away with any thing until
    they pick the wrong american.There not doing the blacks any good by hiding the truth.

  55. RonSr says:

    So if the School Resource officer had done the legal and right thing Trayvon Martin would have been in Jail because of his criminal activity and would still be alive.

  56. tim sloan says:

    It is a travesty of justice that this story is not being told that the Trayvon Martin trial! So George Zimmerman was correct to think that Trayvon Martin may have been a burglar and he was right to call the police. any reasonable person watching the Zimmerman trial can see that the state of Florida is trying to railroad him. if George Zimmerman’s attorney does not try to introduce this new information into evide.nce

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  59. Mike says:

    Reblogged this on This Got My Attention and commented:
    I guess the Main Stream Media, outside of Miami, has deemed this information about Trayvon to be too sensitive.

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  64. pallyoop says:

    I’m trying to figure out why Trayvon was attending Krop H.S. as opposed to one closer to his relatives’ homes, even his uncle’s home appears to be closer to a different H.S. ??

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  71. Craig says:

    Is there a fact sheet on this website with the most important info of this case? If not, CTH needs to post a point-counterpoint page outlining all of the lies spewed by MSM and the untold facts of this case. Everything from the NBC editing fraud (reminds me of the Hezbollah fauxtography in 2006) to the facts about Trayvon’s burglaries and especially the timeline and map which showed that he was loitering and looking into other people’s homes. One easy to read page with all the salient facts, diagrams and links that sum up the case.

    BTW, great work on this site and all of the investigative work. You should be proud of this accomplishment

  72. Was there ever a final response from PD? Did they validate that the items were in storage and were in fact the ones stolen in that particular burglary case? Were they returned to the owners?

  73. egar says:

    I did not read through all 358 but I still also have not seen a current photograph only one that shows a young 12 year old not 175lb 17 year old.

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  78. Jean Valjean says:

    Oh the irony of it all. Had the police done their job instead of caving to pressure to stop arresting black youth then Trayvon would have been arrested for burglary. The people of the community would have felt like the police were dealing with the rash of burglaries and felt safe enough that George Zimmerman would not need to form a neighborhood watch and eventually encounter Trayvon Martin (one of the burglars!) and shoot Trayvon when he attacked Zimmerman.

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  82. I believe in executing cops that lie and betray the public trust. It’s obvious they are permitted more liberties that the common man and should be held to higher standards and more severely punished .

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  90. mharper42 says:

    If there is enough publicity about the stolen jewelry, perhaps the owners will become aware that it is recovered at the police station and ask to see it.

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  94. This Trayvon frenzy is very disturbing. Of course it is sad a young man was killed. But why focus on this man?Why is the act of one idiot, George Zimmerman, projected onto all America in such a rabidly antiintellectual manner? Crime statistics do not support the current Black rage. And what is really behind the problems with Black men in the U.S.? Is it simply rampant anti-Black Racism, as Obama and Eric Holder say? Or are these men projecting their own inner hatred and bias onto Society? More importantly, is there a problem in Black culture itself that creates young men with no respect for the “Person and Property” of others?

    I can recall growing up during the Civil Rights movement. I traveled to Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Virginia as a child. I remember my Father unknowingly taking me to “Colored” restrooms and drinking fountains, to the great amazement of watching “Good Old Boys.” One Southern Gentleman corrected us, “Y’all supposed to use that one.” My Father ignored him. My Father did not understand what the man was talking about.

    My family, Fishermen from a small village in Italy, knew nothing about Racism. I never heard my parents say one Racist thing growing up. I had no idea my young Black, Asian and Mexican friends were supposed to be different from me. I did not know what Racism was until I was taught it; not by my Family, not by my friends, but by Blacks I did not know. I was attacked “out-of-the-blue” by Blacks several times in high school. Blacks I did not know and had no dealings with. I was punched in the face once. Once chased by a car load of Blacks who tried to run me over and yelled racial remarks. And worst of all, at a Morse High football game, I was shot at. What could create such youths? (I never had a problem with Mexicans, although, some of my Mexican friends did call me, “Pinche Huero,” which I found very amusing. Roughly, Fucking White Boy).

    Labor and Economic statistics demonstrate that prior to the Civil Rights movement, the standard of living of for Blacks was steadily improving, as it did for all minorities who were finally accepted by society after proving themselves. Black families were strong. Then Lyndon Johnson, Democrat, became President and created the “War on Poverty.” Statistics demonstrate that Black families were destroyed and standards of living declined. For the first time, primarily minority families were rewarded for having as many children as possible out of wedlock. Some 45 years later, there are several generations of illegitimate Black children who do not know their fathers, or whose parents have different last names. With no authority figures at home and irresponsibility and lawlessness being fostered by the Government, more Black males became criminals. It is not surprising that gangsters and gangster-type sports figures and entertainers became heroes to Black children. (My heroes were Cowboys, Cops and Soldiers.)

    Based on statistics and observation, I believe the U.S. Government did a lot to create the modern Black criminal male. Not by targeting Blacks or “Profiling,” but by subsidizing and promoting irresponsibility and lawlessness. More importantly, perhaps, Black culture, itself, teaches its young to have no respect for the “Person and Property” of others. Listen to Rap lyrics. They involve criminal activity, selfishness and hate. I do not blame the Rap artists. They merely reflect Black culture. Observe how Blacks treat each other in America; in Africa; wherever they are. They rob, beat and kill each other. Now they rob, beat and kill White people also. Accurate crime statistics tell the story.

    I think there is also an underlying, long-term, socio-psychologically-based lack of respect for “Person and Property” of others in Black culture. This may explain why there are no great Black industries in Africa or anywhere. If an African Dictator or violent mob can take everything you have, why work for it? And if you cannot have it, why respect the work of others? Why respect what they have earned? That is why Black Race Racketeers, essentially, have the political morals of liquor store robbers. “I want what the store owner has, and I am going to take it.” Obama does the same with his “tax the rich” schemes. It is the exact same psychology; The Politics of Covetousness; The Politics of Theft; The Politics of Lack of Respect.

    Which leads us to Trayvon and Black Youths. I was raised not to fight. I have run from possible fights, especially when armed. I was taught to be polite to strangers and to respect the Person and Property of others. Apparently, Trayvon never received that lesson. To Trayvon, punching someone or stealing from them was as normal and common as looking at them. Remember, he was found with burglary tools and stolen items at school. He had a history of violence, even punching a bus driver. Criminal statistics show many Black males have the same attitude.

    Trayvon’s father says the incident would not have occurred if Trayvon were White. He is probably correct. A White youth would likely have treated Zimmerman with respect; would not have punched him; would not have pounded his head into the ground. A White youth would probably have gone home, rather than start a fight.

    In short, it appears Trayvon had a history of crime and violence. He caused his own death by his violence. And Obama and the Race-Racketeers aided and abetted Trayvon’s death by teaching him distrust, lack of respect and violence as a way of life. Trayvon’s shooting was the act of one man defending himself against a hate-filled, violent young man. It was an individual act, not the act of America, White or otherwise. Obama and the Race Racketeers are attempting to corrupt America into giving up respect for Person and Property. They believe it is perfectly acceptable and preferable to have a Black man beat a White man to death, rather then have a White man defend himself. From this incident and many others, it is obvious Obama and the Race Racketeers do not respect the “Person and Property” of White Americans.

    The Lesson for Black America? Teach your children respect: for themselves; for their families; for others of every race. And teach them to respect the hard work and property of others. Of course, Obama and the Race- Racketeers teach the opposite lesson: Distrust Whites; be jealous of their hard work and the fruits of their labor; and covet their property.

    Holder, projecting his own bias and hatred, says Americans are cowards when it comes to talking about Race. Your humble Doctor is no coward. Here is the truth that will never be told in Pop media, but will be posted on-line.

  95. Dave Kurtz says:

    White guy here… if it matters to you.

    People are people wherever you go, and a scumbag is a “scumbag” regardless of nationality, hertiage, culture, ethnicity, background, or race.

    You can’t judge a book by its cover, but a first impression speaks louder than words.

    Birds of a feather flock together, and you never see a bluejay in a robin’s nest.

    The united slums of american, one big giant ghetto, like chicago or detroit. NOT

    Not guilty = not good enough? The stand your ground law? Well lets change that. We cater and cater to folks, give and give, and try to accomodate, appease, and they bitch and bitch and keep bitchin’ like the cry wolf story.

    The biased absurd comments that some people have made about this Trayvon / Zimmerman incident has forced people to take sides, they have become so defensive, and it really has distanced blacks and whites to an absolute total division of huminity. When someone is full of crap, they always will be full of it. We as Americans have taken a few steps back from diversity now and for some time to come, maybe years!!! You can see the hatred in their eyes… you can feel the tension, the animosity, the rage, etc. I have self segregated myself in fear of being attacked and I would now rather be excluded from all of it. I avoid people and certainly any converstaions about race whatsoever. I am moving in 3 weeks to a predominantly white neighborhood where I originally grew up. I can’t wait…

    My buddy was punched in the face two weeks ago after merely asking two black teenagers what time it was. Yes, he was carrying a handgun legally with a conceal permit, and he told me that he had time to react, but he gracefully walked away. He said, the disrespectful teenagers in fact yelled Trayvon immediately after the punch. Nevertheless, the teens were apprehended and arrested charged with assault and disorderly conduct, but NO ethnic intimidation. It wasn’t in the news!!! They both paid a $300 fine at the preliminary hearing, and that’s it!!!

  96. Dave Kurtz says:

    WATCH “THe Molly McGuires”…. the Irish came to this country and were discriminated upon bigtime!!! The people who should be bitchin are the Native American Indians… that’s if you can find one.

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  98. Chris says:

    Was the jewelry ever returned?

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  100. Comprehensive and well written details of Travon’s “record” history. I suspected they were leaving information out. It is very much appreciated that you give photo copies of the documents. Impossible to refute with so many legal documents.

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  104. tritiumae says:

    You know, I was always in George’s Corner. I believed his story matched up with the facts, witnesses, etc. However, I feel bad for Trayvon Martin. I believe the Justice system failed him, and led to his death. He should have been facing charges for the stolen jewelry, and his parents should have been made aware. This is a major failure. What’s wrong with our system? This is it. George (in my opinion) is probably scarred for life. And Trayvon, thought that the ‘Gods’ were on his side for getting away with so many things. If this is going on anywhere else in the country (or world) it should stop. Let’s stop and think about this stuff, and try to determine how we can create a better America, because as we are going forward, I see us getting worse.

  105. Tony Cisneros says:

    When Jesse Jackson Sr. Asked Me To Protest The “Decatur-Debacle-’Melee” With Him Several Years Back, I Declined On The Basis That It–The Melee–Was Started By The “Blacks” & NOT The “Whites” In That Highschool In Decatur, IL !

    I Believe The Same Is The Case With This TRAVON–ZIMMERMAN Debacle.

    The “Black” In This Case Was The REAL CULPRIT–As Was In The “DECATUR, IL, Debacle–NOT The “White” !


    Truthfully, Honestly, Sincerely Yours And Faithfully Recorded & Submitted,

    Tony Cisneros
    2011 Candidate For City Treasurer,
    City Of Chicago,
    State Of Illinois,
    United States Of America.

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