By Dictatorial Fiat – aka: Executive Order – A “No-Gun List”, As Easy As A “No-Fly List”….

(Reuters) – Unburdened by re-election worries and empowered by law to act without Congress, U.S. President Barack Obama could will take action to “improve” background checks on gun buyers, ban certain gun imports and bolster oversight of dealers.

gun controlProspects for gun control legislation intensified in the wake of the school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, as more pro-gun rights lawmakers said on Monday they were open to the possibility while Obama and three cabinet members met at the White House to discuss the subject.

Having just won a second four-year term, Obama does not need to fear alienating voters who favor gun rights and he could press ahead without lawmakers on fronts where federal law enables executive action.

Speaking in Newtown, where a gunman on Friday killed 20 children and six adults in an elementary school, Obama vowed late on Sunday to “use whatever power this office holds” to try to prevent such massacres.  “Because what choice do we have? We can’t accept events like this as routine,” Obama said at Newtown High School.

His administration has the power to issue executive orders or new rules, options that Obama is likely to consider in combination with possible new laws. [...]

Many of the ideas have to do with the background checks that licensed gun dealers run on potential buyers. [...]

The administration also has leeway to act in how it defines certain categories of people prohibited from buying a gun.

(snip) this is where you need to remember the labels “extremists”, “bitter-clingers”, “right-wing nuts”, “fanatics” et al.   Used to label people who the administration opposes.  So if they can put you in a database as an “extremist”, or “person of concern”, the NO-GUN List becomes just like the NO-FLY List.     Who controls the definitions? ….. /SD

Federal law bars anyone “who has been adjudicated as a mental defective,” but it does not specify whether that means only a court can disqualify someone, said Michael Volkov, a former Republican Justice Department official now at the law firm LeClairRyan.  (more)

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37 Responses to By Dictatorial Fiat – aka: Executive Order – A “No-Gun List”, As Easy As A “No-Fly List”….

  1. brocahontas says:

    The ironic thing is none of these measures would have prevented any shootings.

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    • Chip Bennett says:

      The ironic thing is none of these measures would have prevented any shootings.

      Why do you think any upcoming measures or proposals are intended or design to prevent shootings such as the Newtown massacre?

      Such measures have one purpose, and one purpose only: to gut the second amendment by taking firearms out of the hands of free, law-abiding citizens.

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      • brocahontas says:

        I agree. They are totally living up to “never let a crisis go to waste”, or whatever Rahm said. Amazing. And the herd eats it up.

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      • jordan2222 says:

        There are many reasons why we live in a republic and not a democracy. One of those reasons is to prevent decisions from being made based on emotions.

        I am troubled that no one mentions that. You would think that constitutional Republicans would remind folks of that. Are there any left?

        I do not recall BO ever using any other term other than democracy. Did he ever say anything about our republic? I would bet that half of our citizens do not know the difference. Of course, invading other countries under the auspices of spreading democracy has not helped either but have you noticed how that is working out?

        Conservatives are now greatly outnumbered by all of the different minorities who united, fly the Progressive flag. Mob rule mentality is now normal as we witnessed in the last election. So much for the Constitutional Republic. Emotions rule.

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        • Sharon says:

          I am troubled that no one mentions that. You would think that constitutional Republicans would remind folks of that.

          I don’t hear politicians mention it, but I do hear normal Americans mention it.

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    • Sharon says:

      The ironic thing is none of these measures would have prevented any shootings.

      Why would you believe that the implementation of these measures is intended to prevent shootings? The left is not into problem-solving. They are not attracted to actual solutions. They are into process and disorder that allows them to distort events to move society and governance and regulation in the direction that will assist with earlier implementation of what has been their intention all along.

      None of it is intended to prevent shootings. The intention is to look like they want to prevent shootings, to get as many people as possible to believe that they do.

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      • howie says:

        It looks like mass hysteria. I hope it blows over before they can pass a bunch of crazy new laws. I am ready for the Holidays. Maybe that will bring the media down a little. They are nutz.

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  2. I’m not sure what Michael Volkov is implying there. One, “who has been adjudicated …,” specifically refers to judgement being carried out by way of a court through a judge or some other appointed arbiter during the legal process. There is no power granted to someone within the justice department or the White House without going through this established legal process and the specific court designated.

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    • sundance says:

      Not true. Under DHS guidelines the determination can be made by Homeland Security. Same concept as “no fly list”. None of those are from judicial decision.

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      • SD,

        For the purposes of a “no fly list,” DHS has the purview to dictate who is on it or not. However, to determine if someone is a “mental defective,” as the wording describes, it must be a judgement that is adjudicated and “adjudicated” is a specific legal term with boundaries of who has the power to make the judgement.

        Now, I’m not saying some sleazeball couldn’t figure out a way to get around the law, but that would be a bastardization of the law, which is something different than what Volkov is describing.

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  3. Sal Paradise says:

    Apparently Cheaper than dirt is suspending their firearm sales. Was as at a gun shop yesterday and ars, pistols and rifles were flying off the shelf as well as ammo. The owner was calling all the distributors he knew to get some 223 but no one had any. Took two hours to purchase two ar receivers. Why is everyone caving? We need to be banding together.
    Will Cabela’s be the “Last of the Mohicans”?

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    • mung says:

      Been contemplating getting a CWP. Might be the time to do it before it gets too late.

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      • Depending on your local municipality, a CCP may put you on a list you may not wish to join. ;-) Flying under the radar may be preferable in the months ahead.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        I strongly encourage you to do so. We are both getting ours next month, a Christmas present from one of our children. We hunt but now need to consider being able to defend ourselves and others. The sooner we do this the better, before they mess with the CWP laws in our state. We face a very real threat in Florida when George is exonerated.

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        • mung says:

          Yes we do. Although I would probably use the shotgun in that situation. Since I shoot skeet, I am pretty good with a moving target.

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          • justfactsplz says:

            The shotgun just can’t be taken out and about, thus the need for a CWP and a pistol for those times. I would hate to have to defend myself with my black powder rifle, considering the time it takes to reload, LOL.

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  4. Most retailers don’t want to have to issue refunds on sales of “prohibited” weapons retroactively.
    When states fold like cheap card-tables (and they will), national retailers will be forced to suspend sales. :evil:

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  5. Bongo says:

    And yet it still won’t occur to the gun grabbers how absurd it is to have Gun Free Zones, especially at schools. Every mass shooting lately has been in one of those GFZ’s. Arm the teachers!

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    • Lucifer just nailed up three more Guest Arrival Bulletin Boards…that makes five total.
      Obviously, the coming ban on guns doesn’t solve anything. In fact, I’d venture a guess that it makes things much, much worse. :evil:

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    • mung says:

      Hell arm the kids, they can probably shoot better than the teachers. How funny would it have been if all of those first graders drew down on that pyscho when he walked in the room.

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  6. ottawa925 says:

    Listening to Rush today, and he’s been going to town on the recent shootings at the school vs. the shootings in Chicago.

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  7. Knuckledraggingwino says:

    It is amusing to see how even SDC is eagerly surrendering to the gun ban. The only way to win this debate isby using irrefutable facts to refute emotional arguments.

    The FBI-SHR database conclusively proves that
    guns don’t kill young children, dysfunctional families kill young children.

    I have repeatedly tried to post screenshots from tables generated by an online tool to document the validity of this statement, but the format is mangled. I’ve Emailed screenshots to SDC and Admin at the CTH, but you will not post the facts. Perhaps you are. Too bigoted to accept information because my knuckles drag on the ground when I walk? Whatever your reasons, you have no right to complain when you reject the weapons that could win this debate.

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    • sundance says:

      Glad you are amused. But please pause before puting motivation in my mouth. No-where in any of these posts am I surrendering to a “gun ban”. What I am saying, and you are not hearing, is the government you think you can defeat with your charts ain’t the least bit interested in them – nor the rule of law. That is what I have been pointing out.

      If you want to display your charts, then Open a photobucket account (it’s free), take screenshots and upload them to photobucket, then drop the links and we will show them for you.

      In the interim, you cannot just walk in a room, dump your opinions, stats, charts on the table, and then demand everyone stop what they are doing to facilitate your presentation. That is not only rude – it is prog-typical.

      ps. Get over yourself.

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    • michellc says:

      I turned on FOX tonight, something I don’t do anymore, but I was curious what some on the right were saying. O’Reilly is a blowhard, so I knew where he would stand, but someone I have always highly respected, Charles Krauthammer supports a so called assault weapon ban although he said it wouldn’t solve anything and then he went on to talk about the loopholes in the bill.
      So Sundance is not who you should be expressing your anger at. He won’t be selling us down the river, the media including the right wing media and the left politicians and the so called right politicians will sell us down the river.
      None of these people really care about the constitution, not many do, many pick and choose what they like and what they don’t like.

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      • howie says:

        The AWB is silly. The dopes think the gun frame changes how a gun works. Alls it does is change the look of it. Besides the heavy hunting guns can do far more damage at a longer range. A shotgun does more damage at close range. A bow can do the job silently. These are hysterical gun control nutz.

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  8. Doug says:

    I don’t care who bans what!!! I am NOT surrendering my weapons or anything else to anyone. A friend on mine told me six weeks ago that something major was going to happen towards the first of the year that will allow Odingbat to issue a 3 month halt to all weapon and ammunition sales. There are too many unanswered questions regarding the school shooting and I smell one very large false flag event! With this being said my heart goes out to those who lost loved ones on Friday.

    Doug

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  9. Josh says:

    What is going on now with this Libor Scandal where BOTH fathers of the Colorado “movie” shooter and the father of the Connecticut shooter are to testify?!!?

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  10. ackbarsays says:

    What is going on with this link to the movie The Dark Knight Rises, where in one scene, there is a huge sign saying “Aurora” on top of a building, and in another scene, police commissioner Gordon puts his finger down on a map that says “Sandy Hook” ?? I’m not sure I buy into the Illuminati angle, but this coincidence is almost too strange to be a coincidence.

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  11. howie says:

    Wow this mess is causing my hair on the back of my neck to stand up. Whew!

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  12. Sharon says:

    http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2012/12/18/446-school-age-children-shot-in-chicago-so-far-this-year-with-strongest-gun-laws-in-country-media-silent/?utm_source=FAM_Blog&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FireAndreaMitchell+%28Fire+Andrea+Mitchell%21+Exposing+Liberal+bias+cause+the+MSM+doesn%27t+have+to.%29

    The cesspool known as Chicago probably has the toughest gun laws in the country, yet despite all the shootings, murders, and bloodshed, you never hear a peep about this from the corrupt state run media. In Chicago, there have been 446 school age children shot in leftist utopia run by Rahm Emanuel and that produced Obama, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, etc. 62 school aged children have actually been killed by crazed nuts in Chicago so far this year with almost two weeks to go.

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  13. anwtex says:

    More fodder for the anti-gun crew.

    Utah sixth grader brings gun to school fearing attack similar to Newtown
    Dec 18 2012 – 10:37 PM ET

    http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2012/12/18/utah-6th-grader-brings-gun-to-school-fearing-attack-similar-to-newtown/

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  14. howie says:

    Amazing how time has changed. When I was a kid in High School the students cars were full of guns in the parking lot during Hunting Season. We would go hunting birds after school. A license was only $7.50.

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