These People Never Met Each Other – Therein Lies The Misunderstanding of Viewership

The headlines are screaming with significance these days, and I’ll readily admit my disconnect from reviewing the various nuances of the Trayvon Martin shooting out of an abundance of necessary time management. But something has been on my mind that might help perspective.

George Zimmerman never met Trayvon Martin.

George Zimmerman never met Trayvon Martin; at least not the Trayvon Martin the media has introduced people to.

George Zimmerman never met the 12-year-old pee-wee football player who was described by his teacher as “majoring in cheerfulness”.

That “child” was never in the life of George Zimmerman. The child yearning for Skittles and Iced Tea the media describes, was never present on the night of February 26th 2012.   So who did George meet?

George Zimmerman met a six foot two inch, 160 lb, young man.

George met a 17-year-old troubled teenager who was missing any substantive adult in his life to understand him, engage with him, monitor him and deliver guidance to him. George met the outcome of two detached and divorced parents who choose to view their son, Trayvon, as a task. A task to be managed.

George met the legally dependent son of Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin.

George also met the step-son of Alicia Martin, whose husband, Tracy, Sybrina’s ex and Trayvon’s “dad”, was having a long-term affair with his now pregnant girlfriend Brandi Greene.

George met the son of a father whose chosen decision, while in a guardianship of his son because of a 10-day third time school suspension for drug possession, was to leave him unsupervised in the home of his girlfriend, and her 12-year-old son, Chad; while he and Brandi went to a downtown sportsbar for dinner.

Indeed, George Zimmerman met the 17-year-old outcome of unsupervised, undisciplined and unguided parenting.

George Zimmerman met a 17-year-old young man who railed against rules and authority, frequently used drugs, engaged in a drug lifestyle, followed the drug and hip-hop culture and enjoyed the machismo of urban street fighting.

In short, George met “Slimm”, aka “No_Limit_Nigga”.

Understanding that difference, that essential difference, between the Media-Trayon and the ‘real-life Trayvon brings you to a greater understanding of why there is such a disparity in people who are viewing the story.

Likewise, Trayvon never met this guy, his father, Tracy Martin, with the clasped praying hands neck tattoo who wore silk suits and neckties. That person never existed in Trayvon’s life, only in his death.

For Trayvon Martin his father, much like his mother Sybrina, was a “friend”, an “ol boi”, a street-wise elder who was more comfortable talking “pussy” than “math and science”. For Trayvon his mentor(s) were his peers, his peeps or his crew of self-identified similarly minded gangsta wannabe’s.

The “Ol Boi” was handy for crippin’, and part-time parental appearances, but if given a choice between a ten minute lap dance and a 10 minute homework check, well, nuf said…. Bring on the twerkin’ baby.

Such was the understanding.   And so it was.

So Trayvon never actually met this Tracy Martin of media lore. Nor did he ever meet the fictitious Sybrina Fulton,  Mom-type person, the media describes.

Trayvon knew a woman named Sybrina who dispatched him regularly, and watched his comings and goings; somewhat.

But he never met the woman who drove him to school everyday.   How could he? He died in February having been late/absent from school 53 days in a school year that only began the previous August.

Trayvon knew a woman named Sybrina who felt he was essentially uncontrollable; but also a woman who allowed him to look for something to eat in the morning – if there was time; and Trayvon also knew a woman named Sybrina who never drove to Sanford after finding out he was killed – she stayed home – until it was time for a press conference at the law office of Natalie Jackson.

Priorities.

Trayvon never knew a parent who knew of his Twitter account, nor did he know of a parent who monitored his on-line social media activity.

Trayvon never even knew a parent who even knew about his girlfriend “dee dee”.

Trayvon never knew a parent who understood how important it was for him to get some “good head”, or “loose ass pussy”; these people -one might call parents- were completely unknown to him.

No-one, well no substantive adult, knew of the “Lean” drinking or “Blunt” smoking, let alone the MMA street fight clubs.

So, given this, given all of this, is it any wonder why the public are not able to reconcile the differences between what took place, and what the media is describing?

I mean, is it really surprising things seem disconnected when you converse with anyone about this case?  Even the people being eloquently described in the media as relations have never actually met each other.

So how could anyone expect an unattached observing public to actually, honestly, and reasonably understand who the characters are, and how their behavior might not align with the truthful script.

It’s almost like a Trademarked Hollywood Movie Story or something.

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564 Responses to These People Never Met Each Other – Therein Lies The Misunderstanding of Viewership

  1. justfactsplz says:

    You did a wonderful job putting everything into perspective. I hope a lot of people read this article.

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    • Coast says:

      My thoughts exactly. Wish this could be published in the local newspapers.

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      • sunnydaze77 says:

        Mad?
        BigBoi ‏@BigBoithedog
        @coreybking I hear we got nasty things going on at the nucking futhouse about Tracy and Sybrina. I think it needs to be taken care of.
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        BigBoi ‏@BigBoithedog
        I’d like all my Twitter friends to let’s meet up tonight about 7 pm and go kick some ass! We have unfinished business to take care of.
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        • Chip Bennett says:

          I do enjoy how some people front behind a computer screen. I honestly can’t wait to see how @bigboithedog intends to “take care of” these so-called “nasty things”.

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          • canadacan says:

            People like that are all swag and no cattle

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          • JW says:

            Flying monkeys maybe?

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          • kathyca says:

            Wisdom minimizes public chest-thumping regarding things that may or may not happen. –Admin

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            • This is what happens when people like Natalie Jackson pays attention to them and makes them feel important. Were it not for her need of a moron posse, BigBoi and the gang would be back talking to themselves on WS.

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              • ftsk420 says:

                Penthouse Sidebar ‏@drfessel
                @BigBoithedog @coreybking I have a feeling that Minpin might have been Sondra.
                BigBoi ‏@BigBoithedog
                @drfessel @coreybking nothing would surprise me
                Penthouse Sidebar ‏@drfessel
                @BigBoithedog @coreybking I think the owner contatcted her and she said she couldn’t get on. That is what that post was about>
                Penthouse Sidebar ‏@drfessel
                @BigBoithedog @coreybking if you can get on this page and post if you live in central FL the other day owner made
                BigBoi ‏@BigBoithedog
                @drfessel @coreybking was this on yesterday’s thread over there?
                Penthouse Sidebar ‏@drfessel
                @BigBoithedog @coreybking Post September 14, 2012 at 6:23 pm http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/09/14/914-george-zimmerman-case-open-discussion-thread/#comments

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                • gbishop1 says:

                  How was minpin, Sondra? Good grief, these people are clearly incapable of research!

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                  • jello333 says:

                    But where is Minpin? I feel left out, because she took off before saying anything mean to me…. I think I’m the only person here who she never hit over the head. ;) Seriously, though, I didn’t mind the little digs she liked to get in from time to time. I’m in a couple of “secret” Facebook groups, and we’ve got one person in there who at least once a month has a “fight” with one or more of the others. And despite that, everyone always makes up, and remain perfectly good friends.

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                  • gbishop1 says:

                    She never picked on me either, though I had some nice prog tendencies when I showed up.

                    I complimented her on being able to dish it and take it, and then a couple of weeks later, she told the mods, happy trails, all success with GZ and Election and moved out.

                    It was about an argument over the mods asking Treepers to not use the word TChong because it may be offensive to black people.

                    Many people replied to Minpin and she thought enough already. I actually felt as she on genuflecting to people taking offense at words that don’t mean what they think it does.

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                • justfactsplz says:

                  Sondra has never posted on any blog anywhere.

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              • breemcphee says:

                The female dog sure thinks she something! I’m hysterically laughing, here! Nothing but a two-bit, tough-talking, cheap talking twit.

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            • kathyca says:

              Not sure I get your meaning, but no public chest-thumping by me intended. Regardless, I’ll sthu :)
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              :) Admin

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          • allhail2 says:

            Ooooo! A meeting. Oh no, everybody ruuuuuuuuuuun.

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          • gbishop1 says:

            Big boi loves you Chip, your comments were referenced twice.

            Somebody’s gotta crush on Chip! LOL! You might be able to turn her around Chip, you never know.

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            • Chip Bennett says:

              Sadly for BigBoiTheDog/Ash, I’m not into playing games. They have to use such distractions because they know that the State has absolutely no evidence to support their incessant assertions that Zimmerman “hunted down” Martin, just as they know that, even according to star witness Dee Dee, it is Martin who initially verbally accosted, and then physically assaulted, Zimmerman. They know that the actual evidence proves that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating Zimmerman for at least the 40 recorded seconds of Zimmerman’s screaming pleas for help.

              Thus, they know that the preponderance of the evidence is that the use of lethal force was in response to Martin’s battery of Zimmerman, and absent any contrary evidence, that use of lethal force was therefore legally justified.

              They can use ad hominem and non sequitur all they want. They can call me racist all they want. I couldn’t care less. Such are the tools of those with a losing argument.

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              • gbishop1 says:

                Non sequitur, I used to use that word often, until someone called me a bully for saying that. I stopped using that word, but I am thinking that person was a real prog. Did they not know what non sequitur meant? (nonsequitur: it does not follow) It was truly the nicest thing I could have said about their arguments on the subject.

                Thanks for reminding me of that word. I have been avoiding it too long. Watch, I am gonna go around like a judge, with a gavel in my hand. Any comment I don’t like, the gavel comes down with a, “non sequitur!” Oh, the mighty power of language!

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                • Chip Bennett says:

                  The non sequitur is one of the primary arrows in a Progressive’s argumentation quiver. It is the primary tool a Progressive uses, when confronted with the facts that Martin initiated the verbal confrontation and the physical assault, and that Martin was committing felony aggravated battery against Zimmreman, to deflect by bringing up minor inconsistencies in Zimmerman’s reenactment testimony, or by bringing up things from Zimmerman’s past.

                  Always call it out for what it is, and force the Progressive to return to the argument at hand; namely, that Zimmerman was legally justified to use lethal force in self defense, according to the known evidence of the case.

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              • jello333 says:

                I wish I could handle it the way you do, Chip. But I always feel this need to counter their lies with the truth as we know it. I know they’re just baiting, and they already KNOW that most of what they’re saying are lies. But for some reason I still feel the need to (for the 100th time) type out A, B, C, D…. just so I have the satisfaction of seeing it there in black and white. Sad, I know. ;) A few minutes ago I just wrote out a long explanation (in response to Ash) of why it’s perfectly reasonable for some of George’s statements to vary a bit in certain ways. I should have just said, “Figure it out yourself”…. but I just can’t help myself. ;)

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        • Angel says:

          Why the attachment to GZ being guilty versus being open to the possibility he may be innocent, and, in fact, is supposed to have the presumption of innocence? The hatred and anger that is coming from either side of this case speaks of some deep issues people have that are being projected onto this case. I really don’t care if GZ is guilty or innocent, just that he be afforded a fair trial where his guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. If he is guilty, he is guilty and if he is, he has to live with it but if he ain’t, he aint. That simple. The emotional investment some people have in this case to the point of hatred is baffling. Some need to examine their reactions to this case and get at the real root of their anger and hatred because GZ could not be the sole reason for all that. The question is what emotional needs are some people trying to get met through the GZ case?

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          • canadacan says:

            If you read the fax n you believe in self defense you know the charge there in 10 is innocent. Any intelligent person knows That the fax speak for themselves.. There is no equivocation hear none absolutely none. Wake up and smell the coffee this is America

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            • Angel says:

              I am sorry but I don’t understand what you are saying in this comment. I know reading is fundamental but good sentence construction is too.

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          • You are belittling the thoughtful discussion of those concerned with the legal ethics surrounding this case which tells me two things: one, you are intentionally trying to stir emotions but it won’t work because of the transparency of your efforts, two, you have no interest in the facts or discussing the legal nuances of the case only taking thinly veiled digs at those who believe GZ may be innocent.

            Try the global grind,where there are people with far less foresight and shorter tempers for you to entertain yourself with.

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            • Angel says:

              It was not intent to stir emotions at all. I am sorry you inferred that from my comment. I was just stating my opinion that some are very emotionally attached to one outcome to the point of hatred that seems displaced. . I am very open to the legal issues and ethics of this case. I don’t presume the guilt of GZ as he is entitled to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Its not my desire to attempt to shut out any perspective and certainly not in a mean-spirited, hateful way. Not my style.

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              • JW says:

                Then you are barking up the wrong tree. Go to Dr Phil’s facebook page and ask the same question. Why does George and his family deserve to be persecuted for their social cause?

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                • Angel says:

                  Gosh, I was not implying that either side should be persecuted at all. I was actually replying to a post on this thread that referenced a comment by a tweeter by the name of Big Boi and that a comment by this tweeter does not seem to allow for the possibility of GZ being innocent which seems to allow emotions to run high that seem displaced on GZ. I feel like I need to call a cease fire on my original post.

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          • cajunkelly says:

            Angel,

            You exposed yourself with this one statement:

            “I really don’t care if GZ is guilty or innocent, just that he be afforded a fair trial where his guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.”

            Your agenda, by this one statement proves that you don’t want a “fair trial”.

            Ooops, the winds of truth have blown your skirt up and exposed your prejudicially stained granny panties.

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            • Angel says:

              Really, Cajunkelly? I was saying I am not invested in one outcome or another. How is that prejudice, if you don’t mind me asking?

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              • cajunkelly says:

                Really, Angel?

                “I really don’t care if GZ is guilty or innocent, just that he be afforded a fair trial where his guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.”

                You are saying you don’t care if he’s guilty or innocent. You just want a trial where his GUILT is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

                You don’t see the prejudice in that comment? Is your prejudice so innate that you can’t see it in *your own words* when they are fed back to you?

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                • Angel says:

                  I see my error, Cajunkelly and I corrected it. I knew what I meant when I wrote it but I need to be more clear as I see how you could have taken it that way. I apologize.

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              • Angel says:

                I had to go re-read my initial post to understand the vitriol that I received from a couple of posters. II suppose I should have added “if in fact he is guilty” after the word guilt in the following statment:
                “I really don’t care if GZ is guilty or innocent, just that he be afforded a fair trial where his guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.” Sometimes what we write and what people read are two different things.

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          • Naomi Blue says:

            I have a deep interest in this Zimmerman/Martin case because of my sense of fairness and justice. I do not have a hatred for anything concerning this case…except perhaps the political machinations interfering with the pursuit of justice. I don’t like at all politicians pulling strings interfering with our justice system. I never thought I would ever see such as this in our country. I had thought railroading like this case only happened in third world dictatorships. Yes, I do have some deep issues about politicians abusing their office for personal agendas. So, yes, I do have an emotional need that I’m trying to get met through the GZ case. That emotional need for me is justice, fairness, and truth.

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            • Angel says:

              Hi Naomi, I guess my emotional need is is also justice, fairness. Maybe we are all emotionally invested on some level. . Thanks for pointing that out. I haven’t seen the level of hatred from this site as I have from other social media sites, just a dedication to truth whatever it may be. Yeah, this GZ/TM case is one for the records, I have to say. I don’t presume to know (maybe the unfolding of future legal events will reveal that) whether this case needed to be in court or not but do question how it go ther. I admit when this story broke with release of what we were led to believe were the screams of a child being shot for not apparent reason, I believed the person was responsible was guilty and should be punished. However, as more facts were released, I began to challenge my previous assumptions and chastised myself for being a bit gullible.

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            • boricuafudd says:

              Welcome Naomi, my interest also started because I wanted to find the truth, and then as the machinations were done to get this case to this point, It became clear that charges would be filed, regardless of the evidence. As we have seen, the evidence from the SPD investigation is the same evidence today.

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            • myopiafree says:

              Hi Naomi – Yes, we all are affected by GZ’s innocence. It comes down to a sense of “personal justice” – as though we could be in “his position”. This does become personal – and we act to defend him – as though he was our brother.

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          • Ynona says:

            It helps them feel morally superior to bang the drum of self-righteousness.
            It keeps thoughts of their own weaknesses and character flaws out of the forefront of their minds.

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          • Josh says:

            If someone is guilty of a crime they need to be punished. The process of finding someone guilty or not guilty needs to be done in the judicial system and by those in the judicial system – NOT BY THE MEDIA.

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            • gbishop1 says:

              Exactly, because by doing this in the media, we have taken away the fundamental right of George Zimmerman, stripping of his citizenship and guarantee to be thought innocent until proven guilty. The media should be ashamed for exploiting the naivete of citizens and selling the narrative to make money, at the expense of an innocent man!

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          • jello333 says:

            If it was just George vs the legal system, and they were trying to railroad him, we’d be concerned, and we’d be fighting back. But no, I don’t think there’d be the anger coming from our side. I think the anger we sometimes display is a REACTION. A reaction to the HATRED of George that these people have intentionally encouraged. The HATRED that has caused George and his family and friends to be in fear for their lives, and have bounties literally placed on their heads…. dead or alive. The HATRED that has caused numerous “justice for Trayvon” attacks around this country… RACIST attacks. And so yeah, we’re angry, speaking for myself I’m VERY angry. And I think we’re very, very justified in having that anger.

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            • gbishop1 says:

              And this is righteous anger which desires truth and justice, not the raw racist hate pumped up by the false narrative of conmen like Chump and Natson.

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            • Sha says:

              jello333 : I couldn’t have said that better myself. There is enuff hate in this world with out spreading more.

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            • Angel says:

              I understand. Anger can be channeled into doing something positive, and is an appropriate response to a perceived injustice.

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              • angel, if you are looking for angry commenters look no further than the J4TM facebook page who are all so confidently predicting vigilante violence against GZ be it in prison or on the street after he is acquited. once again, you are taking thinly veiled digs at those who believe GZ may be innocent. Can we get SD to ghost this person?

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                • Angel says:

                  I am starting to feel that maybe I should say something horrid if I am going to be attacked anyway. I was simply saying to Jello333 that anger is an appropriate response to an injustice and channeling it into something positive can be done which is what the supporters of GZ including Jello 333 seem to be doing versus some of the TM sites I have visted. Lets get this straight shall we: I don’t play games and trust me if I got something to say, I will say it and not thinly disguise it. That is all.

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          • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

            Angel,
            Are you aware that this country, the USA, was among the first three countries ever in the history of the world to outlaw slavery? DId you know that? DId you know that The Irish and the Scotts have been enslaved on a off for somewhere between 1,000 and 1,500 years (and that some of these whites slaves used to be held in captivity in Africa?)?
            .
            If you come to white people all ignorant of OUR history of bondage (and how most whites came to this country in chains themselves).
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            It should be noted that the City of Sanford, Florida was originally built by WHITE Swedish indentured servants! When you coem to us whites all ignorant fo OUR history of bondage, YOU make all sorts of assumptions about whites and blacks that are NOT true.
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            Plenty of blacks owned slaves in America (so did many Native American tribes). Most whites came to America as slaves and over 50% of them died on the boats on the way over here. Heck, 50% of those who came over on the Mayflower were dead in 12 months of having left the shores of Britain, but the black separatists (and their liberal puppet masters) would have you think that all whites had air conditioned rides to America while blacks were cargo.
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            As stated elsewhere, Eric Holde called all whites cowards with respect to racism (despite the FACT that this is the most ethnically diverse nation in the entire history of the world) despite the fact that a great many whites died (many of them indentured servant irish who paid for their trip with their willingness to fight to end slavery).
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            A great number of white people have committed themselves to the end of slavery the way it had never been done before in the entire history of the world (while the African rulers were very upset that we would try to end slavery world wide – they had practiced slavery for thousands of years and they didnt want to stop gettign rich off of sellign slaves the way they had sold millions of slaves into bondage (few of which ever made it to the USA-most went to central and southern america).
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            If you are bllnd to the commitment that whites have made toward ending slavery, you will likely be blind to the significant work that has been done by whites to end racism. You dont know why so many whites are emotionally invested in this case largely cuz you are blind (willingly?) to the gargantuan effort on the part of white to eradicate racism in oru culture. NO such gargantuan effort has been made to snuff out racism in the black community. There has been significant effort to justify and legitimize black people’s contempt or hatred of white people.
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            This case has been very useful to point out the sheer volume and pride blacks have towards their racism. Black people feel no shame about their racism. Black people fear no legal consequences to their racism. Trayvon’s parents dont hang their head in shame cuz their kid called himself “NO_LIMIT_NI66A”.
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            Having a name on twitter is like having your name on a billboard (THERE IS NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY). There may be an expectation that TM’s school records be private, but no way his TWEETS should be made private since they are like shouting in the middle of the movie theater or dance hall.
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            hey 3 chicks, no limit, meant he didnt want anyone to slow his roll in any way (he would have to beat down anyone who tried to limit him in any way even if that meant his own daddy)

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            • Angel says:

              Lord have mercy! When I said people were so emotionally invested in this case, I meant the TM supporters (some of them, not all) who are so emotionally invested to the point of hatred (in reference to a twitter comment by a BigBoi posted on a thread here). I did not mention anything about white people at all (where did you get that?). Some of you are taking things out of context reading my posts and imbuing it with stuff that is not even there. My big mistake in my writings here is that I don’t dot every I or cross every T, forgetting that some need to have everything spelled out. I apologize if I did not add every word you needed to get my meaning. I assume everyone (for the most part) was intelligent. I have posted here on CTH a few times and I have never insulted anyone and all I ever do is give my two cents about this case and I try to do it in a respectful way to all on this blog as well as to all parties in this GZ/TM mess. That is more than I can say for many of you who post here.
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              • ftsk420 says:

                I think what the problem is that it’s sometimes hard to express how you feel on the internet. People misunderstand people on the internet is common.

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                • Angel says:

                  Yes, I think you are right FTSK420, that along with emotions running a bit high. I understand how easy it is to take things out of context. From this point on, to play it safe, I am just going to read stuff from various sites such as this one and not make any more comments. It is not my goal or desire to offend anyone here and inadvertently, I have done that.

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        • cajunkelly says:

          Yo boi, you need to do a better planning job. 7PM Eastern? Central? Mountain? Pacific?

          Someone send that message to “hur”….another reference to “cross gendering”. “Gurl” is another one,

          I’d like to be here to see this “ass kicking”. Got a strong feeling it won’t go exactly as “boi” thinks it will.

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          • ftsk420 says:

            I sure do hope Bigboi shows up. I have been waiting for a long time now. I don’t think they will like the out come but 7pm it is.

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            • raiikun says:

              Bigboi does have a couple comments in moderation. Really don’t see any point in changing that, though of course it’s not my call.

              Bigboi shows more ill will, hatred, and spite than George is accused of, there’s no reason to pollute this place with that.

              Now they’re going on about how the wind readings from a mile away “prove” George was running (and ignoring the lack of foot steps that George’s boots would have caused if he was). I doubt George would have been able to run more than 4-5 miles per hour, and by their logic, that wouldn’t suffice to cause the wind sound either.

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              • boricuafudd says:

                Interesting, the wind noise is actually backwards, someone had used wind reading from a station that was more than a mile away, to prove that it was not wind noise. Thing is there is weather station less that half a mile away in the school, and that showed wind gusts of 7-15 miles an hour around the same time. Of course, they are ignoring those readings, since they don’t comfort with their theory.

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          • arkansasmimi says:

            :) I hope I make it too. LMBO she keeps trying to follow me on twitter, I kinda tick her off on daily basis :) She is so obsessed with this blog. She makes fun of GZ yet raises all kinds of dirt over anyone stating FACTS about the Traybots.

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            • breemcphee says:

              @arkansasmimi – you’re so right about the Boil’s obsession and projection. Everything she claims about ZImmerman, she might as well say about herself.
              Another funny is Boil trying to get all sorts of “important” people to “follow her” or to mention her, like she’s some type of “celeb”…….lololol! Why? What does that obsesso bring to the table besides foul-snouted language?

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        • raiikun says:

          And now, according to Bigboi, if George is innocent O’Mara should just be able to jump to the SYG hearing without having to bother with little important things like, yanno, evidence, depositions and stuff.

          Some people are just so ignorant of how the legal system works, it’s not funny. Look at the Duke case; they were innocent and yet convicted until evidence came to light after the conviction to acquit them.

          The State is not going to show any evidence or call any witnesses that show George’s innocence…the Defense has that job. Rational, intelligent people understand this.

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        • breemcphee says:

          Firing up the popcorn!

          Wonder what the female dog’s imaginary lawyers would say about threatening to commit assault?

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      • eastern2western says:

        the pic of tracy martin dancing is the exact proof that puts his greasy fire story in question. grease takes about 900 degrees to come on fire but it left no burn marks of tracy’s arms or legs. If his story were real, he would probably be going around tv stations to show off his burn marks.

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    • Sha says:

      justfactsplz: I agree

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      • justfactsplz says:

        Thank you Sha. Hopefully all of the people checking us out will read it. Of course some of them nothing will never change their mind. I do wish the sheeple who have just bought into the media hype would read it and understand. Trayvon was not just a child with candy. And the real George Zimmerman those people do not know either. He is not a vigilante cop wannabe. He was not drugged up and did not have anger issues. Who he is should be talked about also. He is a good husband and family member. He is a good friend to his friends. He was an excellent caring neighbor. He was a mentor and wanted to make the world a better place. He stood up against injustice with the Ware case. Natalie Jackson knew of George’s involvement with that case and that he is NOT a racist. The media will never portray George in the right way nor will they portray Trayvon as the thug he was. It is so sad. I hope and pray more and more people will read the above article.

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        • Sha says:

          justfactsplz: People will always look for someone to blame when there is a tragedy instead of trying to come up with ways to prevent them from happening again. GZ needs to remember that god knows the truth when no one else does and he is the one that matters the most. He can calm the storms of life. For all the lie’s and the hate he will handle it better than any man or women could.I don’t always live my life the way I should but i know that every day Im here on earth is because the lord allows it. The people that know and love GZ will always know the truth about who he is and thats what matters.

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          • justfactsplz says:

            I know that George’s faith in God is what gets him through each day.

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            • Sha says:

              justfactsplz: Sorry trouble posting on this thread my computer keeps acting crazy. If he has faith in god he can’t lose. All he needs to do is declare the victory. Speak things as if they were not as they are.

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    • Josh says:

      This is an EXCELLENT article. Thank you for writing it.

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    • jello333 says:

      This, as much as anything I’ve read here, made a little bulb go on in my head. It made me realize that there really may NOT be many people who know the truth about this case. There are certainly some within the MSM who know what’s up, and know that they’ve been spewing lies. But they keep that to themselves. MOM/West try to get the word out there, but without the MSM willing to propagate it, it doesn’t get far. And so that leaves the few online presences who are on the right side. A good 95% of websites following this case are happily spreading the Crump narrative. Only a tiny handful are looking for the truth.

      Which means that we here at the Treehouse very well could be some of the most knowledgeable people where the “real” facts of this case are concerned. I’m serious… other than the lawyers, cops, and some MSM people, the people who know the TRUTH about this case may well number only in the thousands…. maybe even in the hundreds. If that’s true, then we really have something to be proud of. And we really have a pretty big responsibility to keep on pushing.

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      • gbishop1 says:

        “A good 95% of websites following this case are happily spreading the Crump narrative. Only a tiny handful are looking for the truth.”

        Truth always prevails and Love never fails. Thanks to all the Treepers who love the truth and have put so much time, effort and energy to pursue the truth and keep presenting it. We need to keep pushing against the darkness of naivete and ignorance, as Jello said.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        Too bad the Treehouse can’t hold a huge nationally advertised rally, carrying signs that say “The Truth Has No Agenda” or “Only The Truth Brings Peace”. The Martin camp got thousands upon thousands of online signatures on a petition demanding George’s arrest. I wonder how many would be willing to stand up for justice for George.

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  2. myopiafree says:

    Thanks for presenting an accurate picture of the “No Limit Nigga” – who felt free to commit assault and battery on George Zimmerman.

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    • howie says:

      Profile it. What is the psychological profile of someone who would name himself the No Limit Nigga? I doubt it is a Skittle seeking child.

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      • You are seriously misinformed about Trayvon Martin’s Twitter handle. No_Limit_Ni**a is a reference to music. It’s music. Just like heavy metal, hard rock, funk, pop, rap, & country. This was about his taste in music. He liked rap! He was a 17 year kid and kids like rap. I have 2 boys and they love Z-RO, Big Hawk & Trae.

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        • kathyca says:

          There’s no misinformation. I have a child who likes to quote song lyrics on twitter, too. Here are the differences. I know about her twitter account. Her handle isn’t “i’m a skanky ho'” or anything else offensive that is “just a song” and, if it were, I’d know about it and take away her electronics in a heartbeat. Which wouldn’t be an issue if she had Trayvon’s school history, since she’d already have none of that. Last night, she got upset at me, not in a serious way, and jokingly said I was a liar on her fb. I saw it and she took it down and apologized within minutes. THAT is normal teen behavior.

          And take a look at the rest of his tweets and tell me you’re fine with your boys calling themselves no limit nigga and talking about loose pussies and fine head. If you think that’s just an average teen than you and your kids are part of the problem.
          My son would never, in a million years, dream of calling himself by a thug rap name or of disrespecting women with vulgarities on social media. He just wouldn’t do it and, if he did, his father would wear his butt out. We all listen to rap and hip-hop, but we don’t live it.

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          • My son would never, in a million years, dream of calling himself by a thug rap name

            That’s your son’s choice. Rap is a popular music & kids make their own choice in what music they like. You don’t force your desires, likes and dislikes on anyone. You’re fighting a losing battle to go up against it.

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            • kathyca says:

              We’re not talking about “liking” a style of music here. I’ve already said that my entire family likes rap and hip-hop.

              So, what do you think about one of your sons calling himself no limit nigga, smoking dope and worse and tweeting about fine head and loose pussies?

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              • My sons are of age and make their own choices.

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                • howie says:

                  What do they have to do with this case? I think nothing at all. Tm is the one whose character is relevant, and only Tm. The character of the alleged victim will come in. A citizen is charged with 2nd degree murder in a clear case of justifiable homicide and self-defense.

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                  • Howie,

                    Since Zimmerman is charged with 2nd degree murder it’s not a clear case of justifiable homicide.

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                  • jello333 says:

                    I think you’re not really getting the point from most people here, and yeah, it’s not always clear. But here’s my opinion: Just because Trayvon liked a certain type of music, and posted certain comments online, doesn’t PROVE that he was acting out that lifestyle. And just because he obviously smoked weed at times doesn’t PROVE that that led to further problems (beyond the legality of it). And NOBODY is even hinting that someone “should be shot” for smoking…. please don’t imply that. Almost all of us have friends and relatives who smoke; some of us do it ourselves (I no longer do).

                    So what I, and I think most others here are saying is that we don’t yet KNOW if any of this is relevant to what Trayvon apparently did that night, in his attack on George. Part of what everyone is trying to figure out is WHY he attacked, and if he was predisposed to that kind of behaviour. Which is precisely why MOM and West are now trying to get school records and social media stuff. George is charged with a serious crime. Surely you understand that it’s perfectly fair that he has ANY AN ALL info regarding Trayvon that might help in his defense… right? And part of the reason this is so necessary is thanks to the false picture Crump and the family have painted of Trayvon. They wanted the world to believe he wasn’t even remotely capable of doing what George (and witnesses) says he did…. George has EVERY RIGHT to try to counter that claim.

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                  • Chip Bennett says:

                    Since Zimmerman is charged with 2nd degree murder it’s not a clear case of justifiable homicide.

                    Apparently tiring of his use of non sequitur, 3ChicsPolitico now turns to begging the question.

                    Yes, Zimmerman has been charged with second degree murder; however, the probable cause affidavit is woefully – if not criminally – absent any evidence to support an assertion of probable cause.

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                  • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

                    Howie,
                    I beg to differ. Both of their characters count. GZ is a hero (even beofre this case came about, nontraditional hero). TM was a zero (if not a minus)

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                • kathyca says:

                  Well, Trayvon wasn’t of age and you had no problem pointing to your sons as examples of why his behavior was harmless. Still waiting on how you feel about Trayvon calling himself no limit nigga and talking about loose pussies, fine head, looking for codeine to make drank and dealing/smoking dope, etc., etc. I’m not holding my breath, though. No rational person could say those things are fine and it appears that you’re trying very hard to sound somewhat rational. I’m sure that’s exhausting, so good night :)

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            • ftsk420 says:

              FYI No Limit Nigga is a poor choice for a handle and it’s just music is also a poor excuse. Ever heard of BPS probably not but anyway they have a set called No Limit.

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              • FYI No Limit Nigga is a poor choice for a handle

                That’s your opinion. It was his choice to choose whatever handle he wanted. If it’s not pleasing to you..fine. But it’s not your choice. That’s your dislike and you cannot force others to like what you like, dislike or desire.

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                • James F says:

                  It’s a shame his family and lawyers are not as open-minded and supportive of TM’s handle choice, as evidenced by their refusal to acknowledge his twitter account.

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                • howie says:

                  You miss the point entirely. The point is the character of Tm. His character is not what is portrayed. In a case of self-defense it is relevant. It will be investigated and exposed.

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                • boricuafudd says:

                  There 2 things at work here, liking the music, the style, the fashion. Then, there are those who live like the style of music, drug use, disrespect of women, violent. looking for quick scores, striving for street cred. This is the category where TM was, we know it, it not about the handle, it is about trying to live the the handle.

                  Whenever, thug culture is criticized they say is just culture, music and fashion and that their is nothing wrong with it. Except, that for a lot of young people, specially with absent parents, some kids want to live the culture, they want to be that No Limit Nigga with money on his mind and women on his hands. They feel that it will give respect, that can’t be attained otherwise, so when they feel disrespected. they don’t know how to deal with it. They want to lash out and get the respect, set that craka straight.

                  So let’s not confuse the two things and act stupid and say things like it’s his right to be called whatever, and if you don’t like so what, because that is not what we are referring too. As many of you have expressed, including Parks, TM should have been beating the shit out of GZ for following(disrespecting) him. If, that is the way that you want to act, then you have to pay the consequences when somebody responds back.

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                  • This is the category where TM was, we know it, it not about the handle, it is about trying to live the the handle.

                    And how do you know this? What proof do you have? A Twitter handle? A tweet? You can’t be serious. It was a Twitter handle about music nothing more. He had his own choice of music just like I make my own choice of music. You don’t know anything about that child’s short life. DeeDee describes him as funny and a Mama’s boy. His teacher describes him as cheerful. The people who were around him describes him as a pretty good kid.

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                • howie says:

                  BTW. Did Tm have any White friends at all? I have tried to locate any. So far none has surfaced. Are you aware of any?

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                  • What does having white friends or not have to do with anything? And why is that important to you?

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                  • ftsk420 says:

                    3ChicsPolitico (@3ChicsPolitico) says:
                    September 17, 2012 at 5:22 am:DeeDee describes him as funny and a Mama’s boy.

                    I’ll just go ahead and wave the BS flag on that. There is no way that kid was a mama’s boy is lack of respect for women proves that. The fact that Alicia was more of a mom then his own mother also proves he was no mama’s boy. I have no doubt he was a good kid when he was 13 or 14 but that went out the window fast. If you can’t read between the lines of his twitter you have no grasp of street lingo. Oh precious TM has spoke about guns also was that part of the rap music too.

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                • howie says:

                  It goes to Tm’s character. You fail to answer the relevant question. Again did Tm have any White friends at all? Zimmerman had many Black friends and worked for Black causes. If you don’t want to answer fine. Shows the weakness and failure of your argument.

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                  • No, your question is not relevant. Having black friends or white friends have nothing to do with that child being killed. Working for black causes does not excuse someone for murder. Are you kidding me?

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                  • stellap says:

                    None of this is relevant anyway. Fact is, TM jumped GZ, was beating him, and got shot for his trouble. The rest is interesting, and points to his attitude, but the fact is that he was shot because he was assaulting GZ. Nothing more, nothing less.

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                  • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

                    I bet there is a whole bunch of white kids at TM’s school he used to threaten and cajole (I recall the bus I used to go to school on was mostly black kids and they almost never gave me a seat on the bus).

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                • gbishop1 says:

                  “Since Zimmerman is charged with 2nd degree murder it’s not a clear case of justifiable homicide”

                  Its an overcharge from a malicious prosecution team to calm down the low IQ contingents that go on savage rampages around the country because of a perceived injustice. The truth little matters to them and clearly to people like you, who do not realize that this injustice you seek upon George, if granted will tear down the very fabric of what our constitution and citizenship means.

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                • ftsk420 says:

                  Way to skip over the important part of my post. Do you know what BPS is? I will educate you a lil ok. BPS is the Black P. Stone or the Almighty P stone nation which is a street gang who is affiliated with Bloods Latin Kings ect. They have a set called no limit. You say rap music we say gang affiliation prove it’s not.

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                • TM also made the choice to assault an armed citizen. choices have consequences including the way you present yourself to the world..

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                • howie says:

                  How bout someone who had the handle “No limit Klansman?” What would ya think? Would that be OK with you?

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                • myopiafree says:

                  Hi 3 Chics Politico – And if a person here, used an Email “No Limit KKK” – that would be “kid stuff” also. I think “No Limit Nigger” is a racist as “No Limit KKK”. They are the same thing.

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            • I weep for your children

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        • froggielegs says:

          What is your excuse for his tweeting about drugs? How to get drugs? What drugs he wanted? What he needed to make his lean? Is that all part of his liking rap too? Is doing drugs OK as long as it’s associated with you liking rap too?

          Ohh never mind you’re a follower of Leatherass. Now I get it.

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          • What are your thoughts on all of the prescription drugs George Zimmerman is taking? Whether Trayvon was tweeting about drugs or not does not make it so, but we do know the drugs Zimmerman’s is taking is real.

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            • ftsk420 says:

              Key word is prescription. I’m no doctor and neither are you so no I have no comment other then prescription.

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            • howie says:

              Is that a Red Herring, or a simple Generalization.

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            • ftsk420 says:

              Answer me this why was the roses put in the way they were when TM was buried it’s very suspect to me.

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            • James F says:

              We know that TM getting busted with a baggie containing marijuana and a pipe is real.

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              • ftsk420 says:

                Not real it was just lyrics from his new rap single about to drop.

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              • James F says:

                A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”

                Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy

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                • And? So therefore he deserved to be shot? IF Trayvon Martin was walking down the street firing up a joint, George Zimmerman had no right to shoot him.

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                  • howie says:

                    You will have to stop spouting nonsense if you want to make a real and relevant point.

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                  • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

                    Oh please, the weed is a ruse to hide the FACT that he was a user of ‘lean’, that gave far worse effects than weed (DXM gives a PCP like high)

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                  • gbishop1 says:

                    Participate in the conversation or get lost! That means you have to read what is written here, not simply post fatuous nonsense.

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                  • ftsk420 says:

                    If he was walking down the street smoking a joint then that means everything GZ said to the NEN operator was true. Did TM have the right to snuff GZ then pound his head into the ground.

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                  • ftsk420 says:

                    Like everyone else who supports TM you never answer my questions you like everyone else skips around them. So I’m done playing with you it’s quite boring now.

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                  • 3chics politico has helped me to see the light. It is clear to me now that GZ, out sheer malice and racial hatred, forcefully and repeatedly slammed his face against TM’s fists.. for shame GUILTY AS CHARGED.

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                  • libtardh8r says:

                    You are correct. But if George Zimmerman saw Trayvon Martin lighting up a blunt, he had every right (and some would say duty) to call the police, which is exactly what he did. What gave George Zimmerman the right to shoot Trayvon Martin was the felonious assault that Trayvon Martin was committing on him. Every credible eyewitness saw Trayvon Martin straddling George Zimmerman. I, as will the courts, choose to ignore witnesses who changed their story after seeing news coverage of the shooting. Every credible earwitness says it was George Zimmerman screaming, pleading for help, including Trayvon’s own father. Even the state’s star witness admits that Trayvon made it to Brandy Green’s condo, only to initiate the confrontation between him and George Zimmerman.

                    According to the law, in order to successfully argue self-defense one needs only to show that a reasonable person would be in fear of death or serious bodily injury under the circumstances. I don’t know about anybody else, but if I had a 6-foot plus, athletic person sucker-punch me and then slam my head repeatedly into a concrete sidewalk, you had better believe I would be in fear of death or serious bodily injury.

                    One can argue ad nauseum about whether it was prudent for George Zimmerman to go out armed or exit his vehicle, but none of that matters. He was within his legal rights to carry a gun, to exit his vehicle in his own neighborhood, and to ascertain where Trayvon was heading. And he was within his legal rights to use deadly force after Trayvon Martin assaulted him. In fact, George Zimmerman demonstrated admirable restraint by not using deadly force for almost a full minute after the assault started.

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              • That is false. There was no marijuana. He had a baggie that had *traces* of marijuana residue.

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                • howie says:

                  Your argument that a trace of dope is not dope is just silly. He was out of dope. What do you think left the residue? Skittles?

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                • froggielegs says:

                  “That is false. There was no marijuana. He had a baggie that had *traces* of marijuana residue.”

                  Bwaaahahahahaha You slay me! Do you know that in Florida ANY amount of marijuana even residue can get you arrested? It would be a 1st Degree Misdemeanor. He’s lucky it was his school that found it and not real cops.

                  As for the pipe they found on him….

                  “Ref: Florida Criminal Statute – §893.149
                  Possession of Drug Paraphernalia
                  The use, possession, manufacture, delivery or advertisement of drug paraphernalia is a 1st Degree Misdemeanor.
                  Drug paraphernalia as defined under Florida law may include pipes, bongs, other smoking devices, spoons, needles, syringes, scales, measuring or preparation devices, containers, bags, and other items.
                  A first degree misdemeanor has a maximum penalty of 1 year in jail and a $1000 fine.
                  See §893.147, Fla. Stat.”

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                • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

                  YUP, the media has lied so many times it makes me sick…..TZ was NOT suspended cuz of some residue…..he was suspended cuz of residue AND periphanelia (the media like to leave out the part about the weed pipe since it makes TZ seem like he was picked on at school by the man)

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                • ftsk420 says:

                  That just means he smoked what was in the bag. Wake up pal

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                • ftsk420 says:

                  Residue or Resin will get you in just as much trouble.

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            • froggielegs says:

              What are your thoughts on all of the prescription drugs George Zimmerman is taking?

              Hmm let me see, legally prescribed drugs in George’s system compared to….. illegal drug found in Trayvons system?

              “Whether Trayvon was tweeting about drugs or not does not make it so”

              So now you are calling St Skittles a LIAR? Was that medical report showing pot in his system also a lie?

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              • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

                Froggielegs….are you saying that GZ didnt tweet about abusing his prescription meds for recreational purposes?
                sarcasm mode=off

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            • boricuafudd says:

              Thank you, for a least acknowledging what I said about the Thug culture. If it was just a tweet, I would never make that determination. The facts is that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that TM was heading in the wrong direction. From his private tweets to his friends, and his pictures to his problems at schools, you must admit that a kid that get suspended 3 times in school year that is little over half finished is heading for problems. You as a parent know that is not what kids do around that is problematic, is what happens when you not.

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              • howie says:

                Maybe the day shift will have a better argument. This is just silly.

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                • boricuafudd says:

                  Howie, it is hard to put in much of a defense when you know you are wrong, but can’t admit to it. So, you listen to people who will reinforce your feelings, and try to block anything that is contrary. We know must of them know the truth, but GZ is like anything else a distraction of the real problems. The ones they can’t admit to, to do so will expose their own culpability on those issues.

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              • Trayvon was an honor student, he attended a Miami aviation school part time and was studying to be an engineer, he’s described by teachers as being being very creative, he loved math, he liked building things, he helped feed his quadriplegic uncle. He seem to be a nice loving kid with a bright future.

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                • gbishop1 says:

                  NON SEQUITUR!

                  He sneak attacked, brutally assualted, and nearly killed George, and got shot as a result!

                  His parents should’ve taught him to exercise better judgment.

                  Would’ve, could’ve, should’ve: DIDN’T!

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                • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

                  Ted Kazinski went to Harvard!

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                  • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

                    Of course, Ted’s WHITE family was willing to admit how bad the things that he had done were and snitched on him thsemselves (I doubt that TM’s family will ever be able to admit how terrrible it was for him to jack GZ and the bus driver).

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                • CCG says:

                  Oh that explains it. They wanted his records sealed because they didn’t want anyone to know he was an honor roll student, top of his class I’m sure. A model student with no problems whatsoever. They just didn’t want to brag, is that it?

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                  • gbishop1 says:

                    “They wanted his records sealed because they didn’t want anyone to know he was an honor roll student … They just didn’t want to brag, is that it?”

                    Bwahahaha, nice one CCG! :-)

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                • James F says:

                  So why are they fighting tooth and nail to have his school records sealed? They should want to prove all their claims you listed…unless maybe it is a load of BS.

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                  • jello333 says:

                    I’m not sure these people are outright lying. I think it’s more like they’re in a time warp. What they’re saying MAY have been true….. 4 or 5 years ago. They’re talking about the Trayvon that WAS….

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                • howie says:

                  My Chihuahua is smarter than the Tm.

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                • ftsk420 says:

                  So he was a smart dude but so was Ted Bundy

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                • froggielegs says:

                  An honor student on a 10 day suspension for having 53 attendance infractions in 120 days into the school year making it his 3rd suspension from school? Yes let’s have Chump immediately seal his records after the shooting because we don’t want anyone knowing he was an Honor Student.

                  We need to hire someone to clean up the crap cause it’s getting deep in here.

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            • gbishop1 says:

              NON SEQUITUR!

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            • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

              TM was prescribed his drugs from a rapper (who also gave dosing instructions and instructuions on how to make the drugs pallatable)……All GZ did was get a scip from a doc and had it filled at a pharmacy (low life)…../sarcasm mode=off
              .,
              GZ is a Hero (most are unaware of how he went up agaisnt the Sanford PD just to stick up for a homeless black man when no one, not even natalie jackson would lift a finger for that man)

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            • Chip Bennett says:

              In what way did Zimmerman’s prescription drugs contribute to Martin’s verbal accost and physical assault of Zimmerman? Did Zimmerman’s prescription drugs somehow cause Martin to circle back to confront Zimmerman? Did Zimmerman’s prescription drugs somehow cause Martin to sucker-punch Zimmerman in the nose?

              Though it’s possible that Zimmerman’s prescription drugs did contribute to the disparity of force Martin established over Zimmerman, since they would have potentially affected Zimmerman’s reaction time and diminished his physical ability to fight back. Good point!

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            • James Crawford says:

              Interesting that you equate GZ’s use of drugs with a Doctor’s prescription to Trayvon Martin’s abuse of illicit drugs. Are you stoned or just stupid?

              Your dismissal of GZ having black friends and mentoring of black children is equally specious. These well documented facts refute the assertion that GZ was a racist whose prejudices motivated him to presume that TM was a criminal. GZ became suspicious because TM was a stranger who was loitering in a manner that was not only consistent with the behavior of burglar as described in the Neighborhood watch manual but also of but also with the behavior of other burglars that GZ had observed in the neighborhood and reported to police.

              The simple, irrefutable fact that the initial assault that led to the shooting occurred at the top of the Tee so close to GZ’s vehicle rather than 70 yards away at Brandy Green’s condo refutes the scheme team’s assertion that “GZ hunted TM down like a dog.”. GZ’s calm demeanor during the NEN call combined with the very brief interval before the 911 calls from neighbors started coming in is thoroughly consistent with TM ambushing and assaulting GZ.

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            • maggiemoowho says:

              George was taking a drug that was legally prescribed to him.
              TM was breaking the law by using a drug that is illegal. TM tested positive for those drugs making confirming it, making it so and real.
              Big,Big difference.

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            • Millions of people are prescribed Adderall, adults and children alike.. and yet.. we don’t have millions of shootings.. On the other hand I know very few doctors who would recommend that you mix your cold medication with vodka, soda and candy. By the way, what do you think will happen to public perception once the school records documenting TM’s behavioral issues? ooohhhh boy, watch out here comes the spin train.. CHOO CHOO

              What is the first record that is reviewed when a assessing the behavioral issues of a child/youngman…. You guessed it. THE SCHOOL RECORDS. I am actually interested to hear what kind of spin could possibly be put on trayvons 53 absences from school in a 6 month period.

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        • James F says:

          Don’t forget about the use of no limit nigga by no limit black foot soldiers before no limit records.

          http://nationalblackfootsoldiernetwork.blogspot.com

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        • howie says:

          And I like the Outkast’s. But “Gangsta’s” like Gangsta music. Delivered by fellow Gangsta’s.

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        • ftsk420 says:

          He also sold weed and disrespected women and called white people crackas. Was in possession of stolen property and may or may not have snuffed a bus driver. We also know TM grew up in a bad neighborhood with a father who had multiple women at the same time. He transformed in a big way and his family missed it happens to kids all the time. I bet he even did the handshake no way to know for sure cause he isn’t around but I bet he did. If that was his twitter handle and nothing more that’s ok his parents should be ashamed they allowed him to have a twitter like that and if they didn’t know it’s even worse. TM committed a felonious assault that night on GZ like it or not his own family member praised him after he died for it. Like I said before it’s time the Martin family start to keep it real. Guess what there is another train coming and everyone better be ready for it. People are tired of the bs being spewed by this family. Nice pic by the way have permission to use it?

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          • kathyca says:

            Nicely summed up. Either these people live under a rock and pretend that they don’t, or they know the truth and refuse to own it.

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            • howie says:

              I am still trying to find any evidence Corey can use to support her Murder 2 charge. So far no luck.

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              • kathyca says:

                Goes without saying. But it’s this bullchit narrative that put him in this mess in the first place and I have to admit that, as a member of the bar, it really, really bothers me that stuff like this can happen in our system. Crump/NatJack/Corey/Lester make me very embarassed and ashamed to be part of it.

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                • howie says:

                  I think Omara will win a motion to dismiss the information. Florida rule 3.190 (c) (4). He can file when he is ready. At the least it will force Corey to show any cards other than the race card.

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              • boricuafudd says:

                Ballsy, using a clear political move as a defense, and it still had to bypass the local ADA, the grand jury and appoint a special prosecutor to bring charges.

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              • Sharon says:

                It was obvious several months ago that neither evidence or the rule of law were really that much of a factor in this case.

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            • froggielegs says:

              I’m going with the they know the truth and refuse to own it. Sometimes it’s hard to take that bite of crow.

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          • Angel says:

            “Guess what there is another train coming and everyone better be ready for it”

            My sixth sense tells me that for many people who wanted this trial, its going to be a case of “be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.” My intuition is usually dead-on. I have reasons to back up my intuition based on my analysis of some of the facts released so far but I know its wise to keep quiet sometimes.

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          • TM’s tattoo of his mothers name on his wrist = a mother who let their child exactly anything and everything they feel like with no interjection at all.

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        • gbishop1 says:

          “What does having white friends or not have to do with anything? And why is that important to you?”

          As with his handle, his choices in music and everything else, its garbage in garbage out, with kids his age.

          He had no value system from his home life, and if he didn’t have white friends, he clearly had very little information about white life and experience, manners and ways of communication to mitigate his angry response to a white person’s interaction with him, as in the case of getting pissed off at seeing whitey call cops on him, and making the horrible judgment to beat up on his cracka ass to avenge himself, as they do it in the hood.

          So, yes, white friends, travel experiences abroad, a diverse social environment, being exposed to other choices in music or culture, learning to express hostilities through art or poetry or writing or making something, would have helped him more than his dad inviting him to get a lapdance and a drink.

          Make your choices, raise your little horrors, but when you release them on the rest of the world, understand that the world will either whip them into conformity, or they will suffer as your Lean drinking, pot smoking, rule breaking, violent thug did!

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        • There are many things that TM likes other than vulgar, mysogynist “music” (no limit records).

          1) lean (codeine) infused alcohol
          2) “loose pussy azz ho’s” in the words of TM Martin #tightenupliterally
          3) refereeing youth fight clubs
          4) skipping class 53 times between august – february with absolutely no recourse from either his father or 3 seperate mother figures.
          5) Stolen womens jewelry
          6) selling weed to his friends

          oh yea almost forgot..
          7) aerospace camp.

          did I leave anything out?

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      • gbishop1 says:

        Hi Howie, since you asked about the Red Herring, here was the video I put up on a GZ thread a few days ago, called an Introduction to Critical Thinking.

        I always find it a good brush up course on fallacies and illogical trains of thought. Although he uses examples from alternate medicine, it can be applied to the St. Skittles cult also!

        Dunning talks about red herrings at 12:36

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    • But.. But.. GZ had it comin’! He put his’self in a hostile situation!! TM was standing his ground!1! J4TM no matter what the cost & facts be damned!1!1

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  3. waltherppk says:

    Normal honest and rational people are angered at being considered to be marks for being scammed by mainstream media propagandists who are too stupid to even understand they are insulting too many peoples intelligence with the low quality of their unconvincing lies. The mainstream media and its media personalities are being presented with a growing percentage of the population who are well informed about the truth and are wise to the media lies, and just aren’t buying what crap the media is selling anymore. When is the media going to have the balls and integrity to tell the real story, and who else but the devil is continually selling the world nothing but lies ?

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  4. Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

    Left alone without food or drink? Left to roam the neighborhood at night? What kind of punishment involves no punishment?
    I recall when I was a kid, they used to have these PSA’s on TV. They used to say, “It’s 6:58 pm, do you know where your feral child is?” with lots of sirens in the background and lots of scenes of chaos and violence. When I was a kid, we used to get grounded for weeks on end, but that was back when the air was clean and sex before marriage was considered dirty
    I guess nowadays there is no expectation that a parent will take any responsibility for how their children are being raised? 53 absences or tardies in one year? Must have been to Truancy Court in this state. This family spent a lot of time in court, it seems. Their idea of quality time?
    Been reading your stuff for months Sundance et all (whilest I certainly do not agree with all that you have done, I must send my heartfelt thanks to all the major and minor participants). The lame stream media has dropped the ball on this one (spike it?) big time.

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    • myopiafree says:

      Hi “Black Racism” – You know is it interesting – that TM was in fact a “racists”. TM used the name, “No Limit Nigga”, Is that racist? Let us suppose one of us used the email, “No Limit KKK”. People would go screaming out of the room if any of us posted with that email. TM was indeed a Neo-Racists – who felt that cold-cocking innocent people (if they were not-black – was PERFECTLY OK.

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      • howie says:

        Cold -Cocking is a tactic taught to gang members.

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      • gbishop1 says:

        Hi myopiafree, you and I have both said before that TM was a racist for profiling George when he circled the car and baited him by running, hid in the bushes talking low according to Dee Dee and then surprise attacked him as he did.

        He wasn’t a scared little boy trying to get home, he was a racist hateful thug who wanted to beat up on cracka for thinking him suspicious and calling the cops to report. Thugs and normal average blacks too hate snitches more than anything else in the world, and they will get even with the person somehow, no matter which field of life you are playing in.

        The psychological history behind the word nigger is that it was used in a racist way toward black slaves and they all agreed that it is the ultimate insult, so everyone else has to stop using the word, but they have to use the word, to take back the power of the usage of the word, and turn the deragotary meaning into something laughable. Atleast, that is the justification.

        I understand your argument about calling himself nigga, but it has been culturally accepted that blacks call themselves or each other nigger, but severe penalties are imposed on anyone else using that word, toward them, to each other, to repeat something or for that matter to talk about the word itself. This is a freedom of speech issue!

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        • gbishop1 says:

          myopiafree look how Sherri Shepard takes Barbara Walters to task for saying nigger:

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          • froggielegs says:

            Sherri Shepard is an a$$. My friend grew up with her and went to school with her. I could tell you a whole lot of stories about Sherri Shepard. As a matter of fact, when my friend goes to Wiki and adds some of the things she knows to be true like Sherri’s real age, schools etc, someone comes along and removes it. (prime example of why you should never use Wikipedia as a source of information LOL)

            Any way, I see Sherri made an a$$ of herself yet again. It comes easy to her trust me.

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        • arkansasmimi says:

          Same thing with Obama. Being the first BLACK president. UMMMM he is FIRST BI~RACIAL PRESIDENT. Yet even OBUMMA doesnt keep true to his own WHITE MOTHER and Grandparents. I gonna hush on this, it is a very sore spot for me. I have a very special lil boy who I love with alll my heart and guess what He is my middle grandson and he is bi racial. Culture is one thing, for all parts, but thugs are in all cultures and I will do everything in my Earthly Power to see that he doesnt follow that road. He is not OWED anything as none of other grandkids are, and tho he is very small (3) he already knows he has his lil responsibilities.

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          • myopiafree says:

            That is why I call TM a Racist – who had no problem “waiting” for GZ to come down the side-walk so this “No Limit Nigga” could cold-cock this “White-Cracka”. TM was a THUG. If it has been a person who called himself, “No Limit KKK”, and this “No Limit KKK” person had waiting in the bushes for a “Black” person to walk down the sidewalk so “he” could cold cock the “BLACK” – that would have been a racial THUG attack also. Let us have a “level playing field” about the words “Nigga” and “KKK”. In the above content – they are both Neo-racists THUGS.

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      • ftsk420 says:

        What’s really funny is I have had this discussion with black people and most NOT all seem to think it’s ok even for white people to say nigga because it’s used with the A rather then the ER I don’t agree but that seems to be the way it is.

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        • gbishop1 says:

          As Peters put it to the Comedy Def Jam group, that they are too concentrated on the N word, and the racists may have already moved to a more casual word:

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    • kathyca says:

      not to be nit-picky, but that would be 53 absences by FEBRUARY of one school year, not including fall/thanksgiving break, Christmas break and any days off in between.

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      • kathyca says:

        oops..absences or tardies. Definitely a court issue these days and probably a graduation issue. Even putting aside grade issues. Even a future astronaut couldn’t make straight A/B’s with that attendance record.

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        • froggielegs says:

          Geeezz, when you put it in that perspective, that’s 53 days out of about 120 days and at the very beginning of the school year too. Were his other infractions at school (pot, jewelry/burglary tools, and spray painting WTF) all during this same school year? If so, that’s an awful lot of trouble to get into in approx. 120 days.

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        • arkansasmimi says:

          In that Dom Report Dman posted yesterday, Sep 2011, that would be beginning of last school yr. Wonder what happened at the prev school, or prev school yr? I dare not think this kind of stuff just STARTED in October. I know that his school stuff recd by Omara will not be released publicly unless judge oks, but I will say again, my personal opinion is there is much to note there, also I betcha there are sealed police or DFC records somewhere. JMHO

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          • froggielegs says:

            No doubt there is much more there which is why the Trashcan brigade quickly had his records sealed. If your child is so good at school and was an aspiring aviator, why the need to quickly hide his records? I think there is a whole lot more in those school records more damning than just a little dusting of pot, 53 tardys and some jewelry and spray painting. Anyone wanna place bets there are multiple fights with not just students but an adult or two?

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  5. thefirstab says:

    LOL S/D – I thought I was pretty well-versed in some current street slang, but got “skooled” yesterday by my kid on “twerkin'”. You nailed it!
    Re: your commentary on what the public has been spoon-fed about this case, I would hope the public with some thinking ability will revisit all the research here. Especially in light of so much BS the MSM has presented as Truth about recent actions by our gov’t.No one likes to be lied to.

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  6. Reblogged this on USA Natural Born and commented:
    On the George Zimmerman case: Phil McGraw, Ryan Julison, Nat Jackson, 2Js, Sharptounge, Been Jealous, Mark and Sondra, Benjamin Chump, Ms. Nifong Jr., Pam Bondi, the Usurper in Cheif etc., etc., etc. You’ve heard the rest now experience the best at http://www.theconservativetreehouse.com

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  7. Chip Bennett says:

    You might add that the public has yet to meet the George Zimmerman who personally and single-handedly took on the entire Sanford Police Department, for justice for their unjust treatment of a homeless black man.

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  8. chopp5 says:

    There is a processional photo of Sybrina with her sons when they were little. The problem is that Sybrina is inappropriately dressed with one of her breasts almost entirely exposed. Anybody have a link to it?

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  9. canadacan says:

    I have some typos in my response to Angel I am of course referring to George Zimmermann Statements like that make me so mad I can’t even spell dog

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  10. strat4evr says:

    An excellent article IMHO. Especially on the heels of the outrageously phony and ill-informed Dr. Phil interview of the Martin, Fulton, Crump, Parks and whoever’s son on Friday. I too feel this article is worthy of front page news though we know that would never happen.

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    • gbishop1 says:

      It was a fun day at the Treehouse, I haven’t had lunch yet, I didn’t wanna miss the coming of the trolls, and they promised 7pm, EST I assumed.

      I walked away for a sandwich, and there they all were, an hour later than they promised! So like Trolls, to begin a war when the British are taking their tea break!

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  11. eastern2western says:

    another detail according to alicia martin is trayvon martin was 160 lbs with no muscles. The trayvon george met that night with 160 with no fat and was very capable of getting on top of zimmerman beating the lights out of him in the name of self defense.

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    • Lee says:

      No muscles? They use to claim he was an athletic football player. Played all the sports. Tried out for the wrestling team. So much in shape that he played from sun up to past sun down – without anything to eat and still has strength enough to leap into a smoke filled burning apartment to pull his dying, burned, father to safety. Can they pick a story and stick to it?

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  12. ftsk420 says:

    To BigBoi the ugly dog, you seem to like to troll this site but have no balls to speak up. I have already seen you mention 3 treehouse members. Don’t have anything better to do? is 7pm still the time for your verbal ass kicking or are you gonna wuss out.

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    • ftsk420 says:

      BigBoi ‏@BigBoithedog
      @drfessel think I’m gonna change my name to No_Limit_Nigga_BigBoi_TheDog. I think that suits me really well.

      Gender confused huh.

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    • ottawa925 says:

      @Angel. Angel, I think you are right to say people are emotionally invested on both sides. But some of us for different reasons. Let me say this straight up, I want a fair shake for GZ. But getting back to reasons, there is a political thread running through this case. Justice and polictics don’t mix if you expect justice, truth, facts, rights to prevail. THAT’s what I’m concerned about. GZ could be me. I live in a suburb just a tad southwest of Chicago. In my neighborhood over the years have had instances of kids selling drugs, school kids wearing colors starting fights in front of my garage (now they have to wear uniforms … khaki pants, white top … no more fights. Just the other day was out in the yard and heard a hugh crash in front of my house. By the time I got there car was gone, but all the neighbors came out, some who saw what happened. Teens took the curve .. didn’t turn all the way .. jumped the curb which took out the bottom of the car (hence the crash part) and the car went up onto my neighbors front lawn. Now what if that neighbor’s kid was out there playing? All we knew is that it was a blue car. Couldn’t call police to report with flimsy info like that … what were they gonna do? Nothing. The point is that we have all been a position like GZ. We’ve seen activity that didn’t seem right and you call police … which is what GZ did from the get go. It was THE FIRST thing he did. If he was up to no good, why call the police and let them know you’re up to no good? Makes no sense. But back to my reasons .. as time has gone by we have seen how this case has been manipulated from the very start. That’s what I’m against. I don’t like that politicians are getting involved, I don’t like that reputations are being made for future elections, because this should not be part of the justice system. Sundance and others have laid out all the back door machinations going on and goodness gracious if this was my life on the line, I’d be scared as chit. This is what I’m fighting against here. GZ just happens to be the one on the hotseat, just like I could be for defending my life, or you might be or any loved one might be. And all you want is for TRUTH and the LAW to prevail. We are not back in the pioneer days where they made stuff up as they went along. This is 2012, yet our justice system seems to have slipped back into the pioneer days of let’s just go through the motions, but the predetermined result stick. This is not law. This is politics, pure and simple.

      I don’t really respect the man now, but I did respect the character “Billy Jack”. He had one line from the Billy Jack movie that stuck with me:

      “When policemen break the law … then there is no law.” Policeman, lawmakers, politicians … it’s all the same. When justice system becomes corrupt like it has in this case, then none of us stand a chance. It’s a rigged game.

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      • gbishop1 says:

        Excellent observation Ottawa925 about why we care so much about this case. and wonderful quote from Billy Jack, “When policemen break the law … then there is no law.”

        Also your quote, “Policeman, lawmakers, politicians … it’s all the same. When justice system becomes corrupt like it has in this case, then none of us stand a chance.”

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      • Josh says:

        VERY well stated, ottawa925!

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  13. ftsk420 says:

    So itsallaboutmeash is bigboi. Seems that way to me.

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  14. ftsk420 says:

    http://twitpic.com/avcwqa

    Ok Meash aka bigboi aka big wuss. If SDC won’t allow you to post there is nothing I can do to change that. You still got no balls and I would be glad to debate this with you anywhere you want. I’m not the average treehouse nut as you would like to call us.

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    • ftsk420 says:

      Truth 4 Tray ‏@ZimmermanLies
      @bigboithedog He knows how to lurk Twitter but doesn’t know how to use it. Don’t worry 420, Twitter won’t delete your comments, CTH will lol.

      The treehouse has never deleted any of my comments. I don’t do twitter wars that’s for little kids. I’m sure if you come here and act like an adult SDC will allow your posts to show up. Besides Bigboi is the one trying to get his war party to come here at 7pm.

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  15. knuckledragingwino says:

    Very, very eloquent and poetic summation of the vast disconnect between the myth and the reality of this case. You have done a superb job of documenting all of the facts and refuted the misinformation. However; this article reveals the truth on a visceral level that all should understand.

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  16. ftsk420 says:

    FYI Bigboi unlike you I bite!

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  17. ftsk420 says:

    BigBoi ‏@BigBoithedog
    @drfessel @ZimmermanLies it’s because they can’t handle the truth. Remember – THE TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA.

    I have always said the same thing if the Martins have nothing to hide why are they hiding things. Correct truth has no agenda.

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  18. rumpole2 says:

    People who FORBID one side of a discussion are like One-legged men….

    One legged people engaging in an “Ass-kicking Contest” should be a laugh a minute :)

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  19. ftsk420 says:

    Bigboi I got a bone for ya.

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  20. ftsk420 says:

    Lmfao Bigboi think Crump a dump dump is a real lawyer lol

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  21. ftsk420 says:

    Hey Bigboi I waited for you and I waited for awhile. The fence as you called it was removed along time ago and still no show from you. I know for a fact you will still spew your crap about us on twitter but I gave you a chance so now you should keep my name out ya mouth from now on. Admin and SDC can put the fence back up if you want to. Bigboi isn’t big enough to play with me.

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  22. arkansasmimi says:

    VERY well written Post SD! I totally agree!!!

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  23. itsallboutmeash says:

    The murder charge George is facing has nothing to do with Tryavon’s parents or their lawyer. It has to do with George lying about what happened that night. What he says happened could not have happened in that time period. He lied and why people back this liar is far beyond my great thinking powers.
    Take a minute and watch this video. It lays it out good.

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    • ftsk420 says:

      Little late no? It has everything to do with his parents cause if they acted like parents and taught their kid right from wrong he may just be here today. The death of TM is on his parents hands not GZ. Answer me this oh wise one. Why didn’t TM flee and just go home he had so many chances even Dee Dee said he was near is dads house. He punched GZ in the face thus giving him a chance to flee which he did not he just continued to commit a felony.

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    • James F says:

      Don’t waste your time on this. It is another lame LLMpapa production. LAMEpapa is like the king of the retards over at justicequeef.

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    • ftsk420 says:

      Why is it so hard to believe that TM was no angel. Why is it so hard to believe that his parents sucked at parenting. I understand being a parent is no easy task their is no book to follow but dam atleast stand up and say we aren’t perfect neither was our son.

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      • gbishop1 says:

        Or atleast stop bawling at every Rally, showing up at Senate and Congress Houses, every TV show, every Church to rake in the dough. Grieving people do not behave like this!

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      • arkansasmimi says:

        Prob because the female dog bigboi is of the same mentality of TrayMom and TrayDads parenting or of the same frame work of TM himself. Thugs of ah bruther flock together

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    • gbishop1 says:

      All the evidence that has come out, all the discovery, the FBI report, the EMT reports, the witness testimonies, forensic reports, EVERYTHING CORROBORATES GEORGE’S STORY. GEORGE SPEAKS THE TRUTH.

      The parents of TM LIED and you should be ashamed of yourself for validating such chaucerian frauds and shameless charlatans.

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    • raiikun says:

      People are inaccurate every day when recalling memories; most of us just don’t have a reason to have everything we say under a microscope. People’s memories are not like video cameras, and when relaying things from memory, it’s a natural occurrence to equate specific moments with the nearest landmark that you’re at. I’ve ridden with people who would say “I’m at 37th street now” on the phone, when they were still 150 feet away.

      So…was George literallly standing on the T, or was he a few feet away past it? Would George have thought it important enough to remember how many feet away he was from the T when that specific question was asked by the dispatcher? (Keeping in mind that at this point he hadn’t met the kid, had little reason to expect he’d meet the kid, etc). How long did George stand at RVC before deciding to head back? How accurately would he keep track of how long he stood there?

      So, when trying to relate where he was on the NEN call at various points, what does he gain by being at one point when he said “Okay”, and at another point when he said “He ran?” Would it have hurt his case any if he was a few feet from one point or another at either of those moments? What would he be trying to hide at that point, as opposed to just being off by a few seconds in his recollection?

      Sorry, but that video really does not prove much; and certainly doesn’t prove George is a liar.

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      • CCG says:

        All excellent points. Those types of videos are made removing all logic and reason.

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      • itsallboutmeash says:

        George’s landmarks on the timeline are not just guesses, he states them as facts. He is asked where he was when he said these things and he told where he was. Were you at parked at the club house when you said he was walking up on you? He said yes. He said numerous times he was at the T when the dispatcher said we don’t need you to do that. Numerous times to correct where he was and he did not. He was asked where he was when he said “he ran”. He said he was standing on Retreat View Circle when he said that. It is not a disputed fact. Now that was at 7:12. The shot rang out at 7:16. Where was he that whole time? He was not walking back to his truck like he said.
        I don’t understand why anyone would doubt his word at those points.

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        • gbishop1 says:

          You clearly need to take classes in communication and semantics. I think you are linguistically challenged and might have some speech barriers limiting you from comprehending statements and testimonies made by George in this case.

          Do you also encounter social problems, relationship problems in your personal life? I am sure you do. You can brush up on interpersonal skills and raise your EQ, you know? They do have workshops and classes on these things, call around!

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          • itsallboutmeash says:

            I have never learned how to pretend someone did not say something. I have never learned how to ignore stuff people swear to in writing after they shot and killed a kid. I will look around for those classes though if it will make you happy.

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            • gbishop1 says:

              But you don’t mind Ignoring the facts that this was a street fighting thug who was beating up on a resident of the community, and did the deplorable damage to an innocent human being, by his reckless assualt on him. You don’t mind ignoring that Trayvon was committing a felony and would have nearly killed George, if he didn’t have a gun on him to save himself.

              You can’t have it both ways itsallaboutmeash!

              Fun and games with this silly fight you’re picking with TH is all good and fine, if it helps.

              I hope that you will take the communication classes, perhaps something in sociopsycholinguistics, and see if you might be better able to evaluate facts, or atleast gain some insight into yourself and why you have taken the position you have.

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        • raiikun says:

          Yeah, cause noone in the history of the world has ever made a guess or an approximation, and thought he was right only to find out he was off by a bit.

          When someone says they’ve reached a street when they’re still a few seconds away, are they lying, or rounding off? That kind of stuff happens all the time, and thanks to the wonders of human memory would recall being right at the street when saying that the next day.

          Was Tracy Martin lying when he said he last saw Trayvon at 8:30 the night before, an hour after his death? Was Natalie Jackson lying when she said that one of George’s stories was that he was dragged out of his car? (Oh, wait, sorry, I think she actually was lying on that one). Was Chad lying when he said they were watching the game together when Trayvon went for a snack during halftime…when the game hadn’t started yet? I’m of the opinion that the benefit of the doubt works for them as well and that they were relating their memories as best they could.

          Just like George was relating his memory as best he could.

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          • raiikun says:

            And on the flip side, for fun…was Deedee lying when said she knew the man that talked to Trayvon was older because he had a really deep voice (when Trayvon’s voice is deeper than George’s)?

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            • froggielegs says:

              Was Brandi lying when she said Trayvon was on the back porch?
              Was the Scheme team lying when they said he bought Iced tea?
              Was DeeDee lying when she said Trayvon wanted to get back home and finish watching the game that had not even started?
              Was DeeDee lying when she said she heard the grass?
              Was DeeDee lying when she said she didn’t go to his funeral cause she had high blood pressure?
              Was Trayvon’s cousin lying when he said he met DeeDee at Trayvon’s funeral?
              Was Chad Green’s father lying when he said Trayvon went to the store during halftime of a game that had not even started?
              Was Tracy lying when he said he and Brandi were out to dinner the night of the shooting and got home around 10pm yet never saw all the police cars on Brandi’s street?
              Was Mary Cutcher lying when she saw George on top of Trayvon?
              Was Mary Cutcher lying on the Justice4Trayvon Facebook page when she said she only saw shadows that night cause it was too dark and that she only knows what George looked like by the pictures she was seeing on TV and the internet at the time(the picture of him twice the size he was that night wearing the orange pull over shirt) and that’s how she determined it was George on top?

              I could go on but those are the ones that come to mind right away.

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          • kathyca says:

            “Was Natalie Jackson lying when she said that one of George’s stories was that he was dragged out of his car? (Oh, wait, sorry, I think she actually was lying on that one).”

            Or when she “insisted that there were two gunshots. The “warning shot and the kill shot.”
            Swore she heard ‘em with her very own ears and was sure that’s what they were. Oopsie. Also, in reading the transcript of her Democracy Now interview, its sounds to me like once Tracy got the lawyers involved they tried like heck to get Trayvon’s body before the autopsy was performed. Not sure how all of that works, though.

            http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/30/trayvon_martin_family_attorney_on_mounting

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            • froggielegs says:

              Great link Kathy! Did you see where Natty says …

              ” we have the call that George Zimmerman made, where he said, “These A-holes always get away.” He was told not to get out of his car; he continued to get out of his car.”

              I would love for Natty to produce a call where anyone tells George not to get out of his car.

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              • gbishop1 says:

                Exactly, the dispatch never said don’t get out of your car, rather they asked him to keep an eye if he does something else, and to find out which direction he is going.

                GZ followed the NEN dispatch’s advise throughout and would have never made the call if he intended to hunt the black kid down like a rabid dog.

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                • ftsk420 says:

                  Exactly and hunting down and shooting someone with a registered hand gun is just plain stupid. People seem to forget what GZ said on that call. He was acting funny like he was on drugs. He has something in his waistband he’s coming to check me out. If the police had showed up faster they would have drawn their weapons on him at first sight.

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        • Wrong, nitwit. Zimmerman in his video reenactment showed he was still West of the T, just passed the 12×1 Twin Trees building & able to look south when he said “He Ran”, then continued east, stopped at the T, then continued east to East Retreat View. We know the facts far better than any disinformation spewer like LLMPapa or you.. Crawl back in your hole.
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        • The “R U Following” exchange, which occurred before Zimmerman cleared the 12×1 Twin Trees building heading east to the T and with no eyecontact on TM, is pure Trayvon kook disinformation fodder destroyed by Trayvon’s imbecilic decision to double back and ambush Zimmerman west of the Walkway T, as Zimmerman was walking back to his truck. In Zimmerman’s video enactment, he remembers it belatedly as he and the cops are near east Retreat View, saying it was “back there” pointing back west on the east-west cut-thru walkway: LLMPapa and this nitwit R destroyed. Trayvon was placed by DD and Brandy Green as making it to “Father House”(Brandy Green’s) which all occurred after “He’s running”, “He ran”. Trayvon had 4:30 to easily run south a football field to Brandy’s then double back to ambush Zimmerman from behind, corroborated by W11, W20, WEST not South of the Walkway T as Zimmerman returned WEST already WEST of the T on the east-west cut-thru walkway, the return path to his truck. LLMPapa is never going to get the facts right. Don’t waste our time pimping his crap, nitwit.

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    • James F says:

      Somebody better break the bad news to LAMEpapa:

      Average 40 yard dash time for high school football player? 5.35 seconds

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      • itsallboutmeash says:

        Trayvon was never running. According to George he skipped.

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        • ftsk420 says:

          Why didn’t he run like a good little boy, why did he commit multiple felonies.

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        • gbishop1 says:

          Everyone knows exactly that George meant crippin’, black men skipping fast in an elated excitable dance skip when they’re playing their game.

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        • James F says:

          He never said he was actually skipping. Get your facts straight. His exact phrase was “LIKE skipping”. Go back to justicequeef, bigboi.

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          • itsallboutmeash says:

            That is another tactic George uses to tell his lies. Go back and watch the interview, at one point he says skipping, then he says like skipping. George covers all his bases when lying. Watch the evolution of his lies through his statements. Like jello on a tree. You can’t hold him to anything. So why believe any version?

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            • arkansasmimi says:

              Umm which version is it, TM didnt hit GZ, then when evidence released refutes that well the Chumpkins change their story. Cant hold the parents to any version, how do you defend what they say. Please I want to hear. You know all the various stories from TM camp. I have an open mind and will listen to you refute the evicence released to prove your point.

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            • JW says:

              You don’t have to believe him. The evidence proves his account.

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        • James F says:

          George also said he lost sight of TM. DeeDee states he ran.

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          • James F says:

            Dee Dee: He say he lost him…breathin’ har’, you know. And I like, he goin’…so he say he lost him. And then a couple…and then he say he right by his ass…he ru’, he go’ keep ru’ ’til hi’ dad house.

            BDLR: OK, let me make sure I understand that he’s saying that he’s “right by his ass”…meaning the guy is right by Trayvon?

            Dee Dee: No, he say he lost the guy…

            BDLR: OK.

            Dee Dee: And then he ran from the back…

            BDLR: Right.

            Dee Dee: He say he lost him.

            BDLR: OK.

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        • boricuafudd says:

          Of course, you never heard the expression, let’s skipped out of here, he skipped away, he skipped out, do you know what they mean? You guys want to literal about everything GZ says, when it is convenient.

          Regardless, none of it matters if TM was on top of GZ, while beating him, and denying him any opportunity to escape. THAT, is the LAW, not some contrived theory, picking and choosing, bits from this statement, and that statement to fit your theory. It doesn’t matter what you think of GZ, he might as well be the biggest liar in the world, but the Evidence, not a video someone created, Evidence and the LAW are on his side. WE know it, YOU know it, it is why you guys, go out of your way to try to find something that would prove GZ guilty, but you can’t. All this videos, sound recordings (loading the gun), wind scales, don’t amount to a hill of beans, because they are not EVIDENCE!

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      • breemcphee says:

        LAMEpapa will be crushed.

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    • waltherppk says:

      What LLMPapa “lays out good” is a murder mythology scenario accompanied by an altered out of sequence copy and paste patchwork of falsely corresponding audio soundbytes illustrated by falsely represented distances associated with misidentified corresponding reference points to exaggerate distances and to misrepresent not only the facts and times out of context but to misrepresent what GZ actually said to try to make it all fit together.

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    • howie says:

      Psycho Pablum produced for T-Pshycobozo’s.

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    • ….. “The murder charge George is facing has nothing to do with Tryavon’s parents or their lawyer”……

      Actually, yes it does. If GZ exiting his truck has anything to do with culpability in the shooting (which it doesn’t) – Then Trayvon being left alone all weekend without adult supervision carries just as much reason for cause.

      If the Truth were important to folks that believe in Trayvon – they would not avoid it.

      If GZ and Trayvon both started from the same place, and took off in a foot race to Brandi’s house. Who would win?

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      • gbishop1 says:

        Trayvon’s parents matter a whole lot, if he had gotten away with killing George, and would have been tried as a minor. From what we know, Tracy Martin was aware of his son’s criminal tendencies, and anticipated, along with family members that Trayvon was going to commit a felony, possibly kill someone, and they had a BAIL fund for him:

        From Tracy Martin Facebook October 2010:
        October 27, 2010 Tracy Martin Posted: i need time to myself 2day!!!!!! my son think imma damn fool! this is the part i hate in our father to son relationship! when you start telling lies about nothing you gone walk you ass into an ass cuttin! be honest with your old boy and you wont have to get yelled at like a negro in the streets!

        Miriam Grimes-Martin That’s right and when you finish cutting his ass send him to home to Auntie & Uncle house so we can get on him too. You know how we do it.

        October 27, 2010 at 3:49pm
        Tracy Martin somebody betta get this negro fo it b a thrashin up in here

        October 27, 2010 at 3:51pm
        Latrice LuvinMe Byrd Do I need to do a Bail fundraiser?

        October 27, 2010 at 4:05pm
        Tracy Martin ‎@ trice get that bond money 2gether for me cuz this shit bout to go pass the belt stage! ITS TIME 2 KNUCK IF HE BUCK!!!!!

        October 27, 2010 at 4:11pm · 2
        Latrice LuvinMe Byrd I got you, Going to check with Bro Lyons to see how much in our dissaster fund!

        October 27, 2010 at 4:15pm · 2
        Tracy Martin lmbao

        October 27, 2010 at 4:16pm
        Miriam Grimes-Martin Calm down bro.

        October 27, 2010 at 4:36pm
        Tracy Martin im straight i jus had 2 vent and let his lil assssss the world turn know that this aint no joke

        October 27, 2010 at 4:38pm
        Jerome Horton MY MONEY ON TRAY!!! LMAO..U GETTIN UP THERE OLE BOY!!!

        October 27, 2010 at 4:59pm
        Terrence Lemon go ahead bro no need in letting that stucture GET WEAK….At the end of the day it will payoff!!!!

        October 27, 2010 at 5:12pm
        Tracy Martin man you wont take that bet when i hiit 70

        October 27, 2010 at 5:12pm
        Terrence Lemon structure bro!!!

        October 27, 2010 at 5:13pm
        Tracy Martin yeah bro i just want him to understand the importance of honesty with in the confines of your home ya fell me

        October 27, 2010 at 5:14pm
        Terrence Lemon YES SIR!!!!!

        October 27, 2010 at 5:16pm
        Tracy Martin my nerves worked up im spelling words wrong my bad you feel me

        October 27, 2010 at 5:16pm
        Tracy Martin ‎@ pook it was gone be bad! lmao

        October 27, 2010 at 5:32pm
        Tracy Martin thats my baby and i love him but dont lie to the old boy

        October 27, 2010 at 5:36pm · 1
        Latrice LuvinMe Byrd Cherolyn, you know these kids will make you Dang near them! Thats considered a disaster!

        October 27, 2010 at 5:37pm
        Tracy Martin i need a drank and a lap dance and im good!!

        October 27, 2010 at 5:39pm · 1
        Tracy Martin he welcome to join me lmao

        October 27, 2010 at 5:41pm
        Latrice LuvinMe Byrd A lap dance, SMH, for shame!

        October 27, 2010 at 5:43pm
        Tracy Martin we all got flaws but im goin to rehab for lap dance syndrome(the drinking is under control) lmao just joking

        October 27, 2010 at 5:46pm
        Latrice LuvinMe Byrd lmao

        October 27, 2010 at 5:48pm
        Tracy Martin yall know i rode that bus with 10 seats on it stop playin

        October 27, 2010 at 5:49pm · 1
        Tommie Bugg Liddell cut dem hips, and if he buck. Do him like the old girl used to do you, lol.

        October 27, 2010 at 8:18pm
        Robbie Chambers BOY YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH MY DAUGHTER TRY ME THE SAME WAY BRUH LIKE I AM A JITT BUT ONLY IF SHE KNEW

        October 27, 2010 at 9:07pm
        Michael Timberson I understand, just went there my self…hate to but sometime u got to..

        October 28, 2010 at 3:18am
        Jonathan Plummer Be prayerful my brother

        http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/06/23/trayvon-martin-perhaps-the-inconsistencies-from-tracy-and-sybrina-are-more-easily-explained/

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        • breemcphee says:

          @gbishop1 – omg – I need a translation book for this language they are tyring to pass off as English!

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          • gbishop1 says:

            Maybe there’s an AAVE dictionary or something online. Its not Standard American English, its Ebonics, what is called AAVE, African American Vernacular English, and it has been recognized, in some parts of the US, atleast, as an official language of African Americans.

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            • breemcphee says:

              Thanks, but I don’t care enough about those grifters to figure out their illiterate-speak. So glad the other parts of the US haven’t fallen for this rubbish-speak.

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              • gbishop1 says:

                I know breemcphee, but they are always legislating to make it a unique language, and linguists are arguing that it contains superior grammar such as five tenses and flexibilities to express things in ways which are limited by Standard English. LOL!

                Are there any AAVE speakers at the TH that can translate this for us?

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                • breemcphee says:

                  LoL, gbishop1 – I’m surprised Crump hasn’t sought to sue for a mandate to post this gobbledygook as a translation on all government postings!

                  Oh, but wait….there’d be no money in that, so forget it.

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          • janc1955 says:

            I swear to God it must take more effort to write in that language than in regular English.

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            • breemcphee says:

              you are so right, janc1955 – what a waste of time to look illiterate. I mean, if they have the patience for that garbage, then why not have the patience to sit and learn proper Engligh in school? They’re always doing things to set themselves apart, but they end up looking ridiculous.

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        • akathesob says:

          And there it is! He was a player and lost this hand!

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    • Josh says:

      itsallboutmeash, PLEASE tell me you’re not a detective!!!

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    • gbishop1 says:

      You might be interested in reading my reply to Sundancecracker below, wherein, I included some tweets from Tracy Martin about the trouble he expected his son to get into and that should help you see how the parents were very much responsible. Tracy was actually setting aside a disaster Bail fund ready for his son’s future crimes, as you see!

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    • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

      “has nothing to do with Tryavon’s parents or their lawyer”…..I have read more than a thousand comments by folks very interested in Justice for trayvon (as opposed to most at the Treehouse who would like to merely have justice for all). Those in strong support of TM who have made all sorts of insinuations and outright lies about GZ’s parents (who are in hiding, in fear for their lives since two racists from Hollyweird, Spike lee and Roseann barr tweeted their address (one incorrectly), and correct me if I am wrong, I have yet to see the beer summit where our president publicly castigates black racists. GZ’s mom aint out buying 6 carat diamond bracelets, though I have heard horrible slurts and threats against her life.
      I have yet to hear threats of riots if GZ is convicted (other than a little banter here that I dont think can be taken too seriously, though I saw the threats that were made if TM’s supporters dont get the outcome they demand or expect (so much like those threats made around the Duke Lacrosse and Twanna brawley cases).
      And what about the muck TM’s supoorters have said about GZ’s lawyers, OMG, like they expected GZ to go down without a legal defense.
      Black people are not against vigilantism (eric holder didnt seem interested in stopping vigilantism among his people-though he was eager to call all of us whites cowards with respect to racism-a major insult to so many whites who fought, struggled and died for civil rights over the decades) among their own people. They were marching in the streets of Sanford in favor of vigilantism. They just wanted the kind of vigilantism that allowed them to hang GZ in the city square, get the chief of police fired, and a few other choice things…..Hmm like makign sure SYG gets repealed in 25 or so states, and make sure it is not enacted in the other 25 states, and finally to re-elect the divider in chief, head racist.
      And if Angela Nifong Corey (I want that T-Shirt made soon-most trayvonistas wouldnt get it too quick) and pam bondi can ride along the wave of hate for little brown men they think are white cuz even brown people in florida get kinda pasty looking in winter.

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    • waltherppk says:

      Teeslaw is playing the same games as is LLMPapa except Teeslaw has better music added to accompany a fictionalized version of time dilation and other forensic anomalies like instantaneous no last utterances possible kind of death that did not necessarily occur absent a medulla shot. Welcome to a reality warp where reality is whatever you want to make it. Another thing I don’t get is why people assert the credibility of GZ in correctly recalling exact detail has definitive bearing upon the forensic analysis of what happened from a legal standpoint. GZ does not really have much explaining to do.
      It would be normal for GZ to have a somewhat scrambled and not so perfectly accurate recollection of events of the evening before given the “adventure” and stress of what events had so recently occurred. It would be normal for any person to not have the facts of every detail of what happened be perfectly clear in their mind ….maybe not entirely clear five minutes or five days later….maybe not ever. Therefore it is preposterous to microanalyze events in terms of the absolute accuracy of recollections of GZ and to attribute any inaccuracy to being deliberate deception being made to cover up a murder. That is way overreaching. Even uninvolved witnesses and cops can’t keep their stories straight. What the legal analysis is going to come down to is what does the forensic evidence and circumstances show. That is it. People can’t just waltz around that fact no matter how they may try to come up with in the way of specious theories which don’t connect the dots. Take all of the “witness accounts” with a grain of salt and still what is most reliable is the forensic evidence and the circumstances reasonably known to be reliable….and those things do not add up to anyhting but a self defense shooting. It would still be reasonably concluded to be self defense even if the entire recollection of GZ was scrambled and confused and inaccurate because that does not necessarily indicate willful deception and in fact the voice stress analysis would have likely tagged deliberate deception. So even if it is provable that the recollection of GZ is not perfectly accurate, it does not equal a gotcha that makes GZ a person who has committed a murder. The gotcha game can proceed wonderfully well involving all kinds of evidence analysis such as the iced tea versus watermelon juice. For an investigation where no stone will be left unturned how about we start with the ping logs for the Sanford cell phone towers and match those ping logs with the cell phone found at the scene of the shooting. It might be good to do that huh, a real good place to start debunking. “He say he not going to run because he right by his father’s house” It might be a good idea to get forensic AUTHENTICATION concerning that phone connectivity for that alleged little tidbit of “information” ….ya think ?

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      • Don’t ask us, ask Donald West and Mark O’Mara @GZlegalCase about subpoenas on the cell tower and phone records.

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        • waltherppk says:

          Been there done that as one of the first commenters before comments were closed at the GZlegal website. So the defense counsels definiely know about the significance of the ping logs for evidence authentication and why it is needed. No comment in reply, which seems peculiar. It was September 7 that I posted a copy of the comment here in the GZ case general daily thread.

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    • Hugh Stone says:

      No assault mention ? No pics of zimmerman injuries? No witness statements saying trayvon on top mma style? No little boy with dog? come on. Gotta do betta den dat 4 me playa.

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    • LLMPapa always twists factoids to make false disinformation as is the case her. Zimmerman reenacted that Trayvon passed him at the clubhouse as his call connected. The 2:30 of the 4 minute call between connection and “He ran” was ample time for TM to move from the clubhouse to the T, do his “he’s coming to check me out” first Thuggery double back on Zimmerman, who locked his car door & said ‘Get an officer over here” then head back to the T Crip Walk Skip running and “ran from the back” head south on the shared walkway to Brandy Green’s before Zimmerman ever got out of his truck to see which way he ran as requested by the dispatcher. And it utterly destroys DD’s “couple minutes” at the “mail thing” Crumped-up narrative along with the alleged 6:54 and 7:12 call connect times.

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  24. ftsk420 says:

    If the treehouse allows it I will return at 7pm and Bigboi can spew what ever she wants right now I’m gonna walk my own dog then play with my nephew

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  25. Sausage Boy says:

    A succinct Bible passage sums up Zimmerman’s rightful extermination of a predatory thug:

    Romans 12:21 ~ “Good always overcomes evil”.

    Amen … and hallelujah!

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    • gbishop1 says:

      George did NOT know Trayvon, whether he was good or evil.

      George killed Trayvon in SELF DEFENSE!

      Trayvon was bashing George’s head against the concrete, beating him with MMA style loaded fists, breaking his nose and creating stich needing repair and swelling to George’s head. George’s survival instincts took over and he shot the gun to save himself from the MONSTER.

      Trayvon was killed while committing the felony of reckless and brutal assault on George!

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      • Sausage Boy says:

        That’s what I wrote: GOOD ALWAYS OVERCOMES EVIL.

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        • gbishop1 says:

          I understand your point, but that is exactly what the Crumpsters are trying to say, that he thought TM was evil and shot him, without realizing that he was an unarmed teenager, and so GZ is a racist for thinking that.

          That is what they’ve been trying to prove, but have failed, so I don’t like you making that point here, because the evidence and George himself have clearly refuted such premises.

          George did not know Trayvon, and if anything, he stated on the Hannity show, that Trayvon reminded him of the boy he was mentoring. George did not think TM was evil.

          Your point is going to be misconstrued, please stop saying that.

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        • Sharon says:

          If you actually intend to propose generalizing that truth in the way that you seem to do here, then perhaps the police departments and armies should be dismantled? Silly hermeneutics and pen-knife exegesis. Sheesh.

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  26. arkansasmimi says:

    Trash Can Church Tour continues in Texas, Cant wait for the pix :)

    Tracy Martin ‏@BTraymartin9 14 min ago
    Had a great GODLY time with Bishop Jakes,Mrs. Jakes, the Potter House, and the Good pepole of Dallas. Thanks Pastor.
    from Grapevine, TX

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  27. Josh says:

    TD Jakes?!? I like(d) him. I have to hope and pray that he attempted to set Ms. Martin straight…

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    • gbishop1 says:

      I used to like Jakes, but he too has been poisoned by the BS.

      He thinks that an injustice has taken place against a little black boy skipping home.

      I saw him at several meetings praying for Justice for Trayvon, and he said in an interview when asked about forgiveness, that forgiveness CANNOT happen till justice is done for the Martins.

      Jakes gets completely lost all respect from me!

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  28. Hugh Stone says:

    Is “bigboi” mary cutcher?

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  29. ftsk420 says:

    I can tell you Bigboi is a coward. Again Bigboi unless you come here and debate me DO NOT put my name anywhere on your twitter.

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  30. jordan2222 says:

    Great job, Sundance. There is not much, if anything, here that could be disputed even by the Martin supporters.

    This is insightful, well researched and factual and that makes it newsworthy.

    Maybe someone should try getting it published under a pseudonym or even in a “letter of the editor.” Would you mind if someone did that?

    This is exactly what I have been suggesting soon after I started posting here. The Crump/Julision narrative totally dominates the media. NO ONE in MSM advocates for George unless it is on a blog.

    The only article I have seen even remotely similar to this was a Reuters article long ago and even that one ended with a lie, stating that George disobeyed “orders.”

    Sometimes I get frustrated because it seems like you are preaching to the choir instead of spreading the good side of George to the rest of the world.

    I think many of us here share what we know with others but it’s not easy to explain all of the facts in an easily understood form to those who do not follow the case. We have a very limited audience.

    At any rate, it is my opinion that articles like this would best serve George with greater exposure and the posters here can only do so much.

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  31. Does anyone know when Brandi will deliver the next Tracy Martin offspring?

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    • James F says:

      I’d put my money on 9 months from the Grand Poobah convention. Possibly even the night Tracy turned his phone off so as not to be disturbed by his delinquent son. I’ll guess Sunday, November 18, 2012.

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      • James F says:

        Tracy Martin had been looking for his son Trayvon since the night before. He went to bed figuring the teen must have gone to the movies and turned off his phone. When Trayvon still wasn’t home in the morning, Martin called the police.

        http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/us-usa-florida-shooting-trayvon-idUSBRE8320UK20120403

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        • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

          Says who? Who did he call? Recall that the police have records of who called.
          .
          i like to listen to the first call tracey makes to the police the day after (looking for no_LIMIT_NI66A)…..he first ackses the dispather how she is doing and when she asks how he is doing, he says, “Fine, fine, fine”…..His kid never came home (he abandoned him again) and he is just fine, fine, fine……..
          .
          Tracey Martin has lied so many times I hope he gets charged with perjury

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  32. akathesob says:

    Great article Sundanceceacker…

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  33. mung says:

    With all of the lies that are able to be proved from the TM camp how can they even try to say now that George isn’t trustworthy? Last time I checked there was no proof that George lied about anything.

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  34. Sickof BIGbrother says:

    If every minor inconsistency from GZ’s story is to be under a microscope (which is ridiculous), then all inconsistencies, inaccuracies, mis-truths, half truths, false hoods, purposeful deceptions, and outright lies should be treated the same and even worse. There have been plenty as have already been rehashed here many times:
    – TM was 12 years old media campaign
    – watermelon juice
    – Tracy said it wasn’t TM voice yelling for help
    – Tracy wants justice, but won’t help police or investigation
    – Austin & mommy can’t get their story straight
    – John changes his story slightly
    – lock down on all TM media accounts (what’s to hide?)
    – GZ calls 911 just for the fun of it
    – GZ was on NH watch that night
    – Sabrina said it was an accident
    – TM was hunted and executed like a dog (pink cowboy hat)
    – the hoodie’s in congress fiasco
    – the all star basketball game
    – the crying little boy weirdo (I mean witness)
    – hate crime & racism Crump 600 lb elephant campaign
    – police report was a lie & coverup (Crump & co)
    – the FBI is just a distraction and not relevant (Crump & co)
    – fuzzy video “proves” no self defense (Crump & co)
    – DD is smoking gun witness that will remove any self defense claim (Crump & co)
    – BDR’s handling of DD interview
    – DD says GZ is an old white man with a deep voice
    – DD says TM lost him
    – DD says TM right by his dad’s house & not gonna run
    – DD says TM started walking back
    – DD hears grass sounds and the phone cuts off inexplicably
    – TM’s body was pristine and hadn’t been in a fight
    – weirdo #9 fiasco
    – the gun was pulled out for TM to see (no evidence)
    – attacking of GZ minor rap sheet as evidence
    – accidental release of GZ personal records
    – attacking GZ’s “God” comment
    – GZ shouldn’t have gotten out of his truck (why?)
    – GZ wasn’t being beaten badly enough (huh?)
    – and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on

    when there is this much absolute bullshit in one case, there are clearly dishonorable intentions at work. Anyone looking for real justice will examine ALL inconsistencies and the agenda’s behind them…………and not just the few minor inconsistencies GZ has in his otherwise ROCK SOLID (corroborated by evidence) self defense story.

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    • mung says:

      Totally agree but you forgot our new ones. Javris is now a Martin and Tracey’s son. 9 Year old Trayvon pulled 6’+ 230+lb out of a smoke filled burning house to save his life but 17 year old Trayvon was a skinny kid that could never have knocked George down. This is probably the most telling of this BS we are being fed. The almost said the 2 things in the same breath and didn’t even think that it might be slightly conflicting. Maybe Trayvon became very weak because Sabrina wasn’t feeding him?

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      • gbishop1 says:

        “Javris is now a Martin and Tracey’s son”

        Did you see the smuggish smirk on his face telling Dr. Pheel how he knows his dad (Tracy) loves him. Oh, this boy needs to go into acting, and say he first realized how good he is on the Pheel show, pretending to be Tracy’s son.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        They are too stupid to even realize their own inconsistencies. I can’t believe the sheeple can’t see through all of their stories and lies.

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      • spectator1 says:

        Mung says: “Maybe Trayvon became very weak because Sabrina wasn’t feeding him?”

        ROFL ! !

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    • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

      What?!?!?! You never heard of the grass whisperer?

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  35. ftsk420 says:

    What’s the matter Bigboi can’t hang with the big dogs. Well I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person ya beat Bigboi.

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    • Ad rem says:

      These types much prefer to masquerade as sock puppets… trolling for bits and pieces they can twist and misconstrue as racism in their tweets. Having the mask pulled off and being asked to debate and support their findings face to face….well, that’s another thing altogether.

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    • princss6 says:

      Unlike your Lord and Savior GZ who had no problem battling an unarmed teenager who had stalked and confronted because of his silly fantasies kinda like the offering of today.

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      • raiikun says:

        Except without the proof of stalking or confronting.

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        • princss6 says:

          Except you need to look up the definition of stalking in Florida…go ahead…I’ll wait!

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          • raiikun says:

            No need, I have it memorized, and it does not apply.

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          • ftsk420 says:

            784.048
            Stalking Defined as Willful, malicious, and repeated following or harassing. (704.048(2)); Aggravated stalking: willful, malicious and repeated following or harassing another with credible threats with the intent to place person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury.

            Still waiting? notice the word repeated in there more then once. GZ observed TM not stalked. Anything else. Now TM on the other hand hid somewhere stalked and attacked Zimmerman.

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            • kathyca says:

              Not to mention the malicious part is presumed by the OP. As if wanting to protect your community from thugs is somehow a very bad thing :/

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              • jello333 says:

                Heh…. “great minds” and all (see my comment just below) ;)

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                • kathyca says:

                  I’m in good company then :) malicious means intending to do harm. There is no way on God’s green earth that the State could prove malicious intent even if, in fact, George was following Trayvon. His intent was for the police to come and stop someone who he had every reason to believe was a thug with malicious intentions. And even if it wasn’t reasonable, which it was, it was NOT malicious. No intent to harm Trayvon or even to confront him. To the contrary the intent was for the police to catch him. Which leads me back to one of the most obvious false narratives created in this case. Who the hell would call the police multiple times if they intended to kill someone for chits and giggles. I have not ever considered this before, but it crosses my mind now, whether there is ANY SYG case going against the defendant where he or she called the police himself, both beforehand and afterward.

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            • jello333 says:

              Not to mention “malicious”. Can someone point out one “malicious” thing George did while watching and/or “following” Trayvon? (I mean up till the moment they CLAIM that George confronted TM just before the struggle began.)

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              • gbishop1 says:

                Yep, from Trayvon’s perspective, the cracka was on the phone calling the pohhlees out on him, and that cracka deserved a beat down.

                That’s why he circled George’s car to check out his size and bearings, to intimidate, and then bait him by running, wait in the bushes talking low to Dee Dee, and then jump on cracka as he came by.

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          • mung says:

            Doesn’t matter if he stalked, followed, pursued, moonwalked, did the Pee Wee Herman big shoe dance. None of that is against the law and none of that means that George was not allowed to protect himself from being attacked by Trayvon.

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          • Chip Bennett says:

            Okay, I’ll play!

            Here is the statutory definition of stalking in Florida. Let’s parse it, just for fun:

            A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
            (3) A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person and makes a credible threat to that person commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

            Willfully (follows): yep, Zimmerman willfully followed Martin, as per his own testimony.
            Maliciously (follows): there is no evidence that Zimmerman followed Martin with malice aforethought.
            Repeatedly (follows): nope. The first and only time Zimmerman ever saw, or followed, Martin was on the night in question.
            Harasses: here is how the statute defines “harass”:

            “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose.

            And here is how the statute defines “course of conduct”:

            “Course of conduct” means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, which evidences a continuity of purpose. The term does not include constitutionally protected activity such as picketing or other organized protests.

            Thus, Zimmerman’s actions do not meet the definition of “harassment” with respect to stalking. There was no pattern of conduct, because there was neither a series of acts nor a period of time to evidence a continuity of purpose. Further, Dee Dee’s testimony that Martin said that he was “not going to run” proves that Zimmerman’s actions did not cause Martin “substantial emotional distress.”

            So, statutorily, Zimmerman did not stalk Martin.

            Thanks for playing.

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      • [yawn] there’s a bridge somewhere, go crawl underneath it, troll.

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      • gbishop1 says:

        Your thug teenager, Saint Skittles, was armed with fists, brick like fists, packed with MMA tactics, and if you did your research you will find that one fist thrust can kill a man.

        And if you research the evidence in this case, you will find that GZ’s head was bashed and slammed into the concrete, his head was covered in blood by 40% according to the medics who treated him, his head was swollen, his nose was broken, he was about to die, and if it had not been for quick thinking and his instincts taking over he would have died, and you would have had your thug in the world, to pillage and plunder, rape and loot, the likes of you.

        I do hope the likes of what Trayvon was will do the things to you that he did to GZ, and then you will realize what George went through.

        George did not stalk or follow Trayvon, except to keep an eye on which direction he was headed, as he was asked to do by the dispatch, please listen to the whole NEN tape which came out in discovery, not simply the media cut version which powers your narrative. All of your fantasies of Saint Skittles will be unplugged the moment you look at the facts in the case, if you have the balls to look at truth.

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        • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

          Gbishop (thanks for all your support of GZ, btw)
          .
          If the head is split, ACQUIT!
          .
          Get your T-shirts made now (with GZ’s likeness printed on there)!
          .
          Some folks are just visual in their thinking (a picture tells a thousand workds).

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      • Chip Bennett says:

        Unlike your Lord and Savior GZ…

        Typical liberal projection. Unlike your side’s treatment of Martin, we do not canonize Zimmerman; rather, we merely assert his legally justifiable use of lethal force, based on existing evidence.

        …who had no problem battling an unarmed teenager…

        Given Zimmerman’s recorded, sustained screams for help, I would counter that he did not wish to be involved in any such “battle.”

        …who had stalked…

        There is no evidence that Zimmerman stalked Martin. He admits to following him for some distance in order to maintain visual contact. No evidence exists that he did anything that would escalate “maintaining visual contact” to “stalking.”

        …and confronted…

        Even the State’s star witness, Dee Dee, states that it was Martin who verbally confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Both Zimmerman and Dee Dee claim that, despite Zimmerman’s efforts to maintain visual contact, Martin had lost Zimmerman. It was Martin who, after losing Zimmerman, chose to return to Zimmerman to confront him.

        …because of his silly fantasies kinda like the offering of today./blockquote>

        Where is the State’s evidence that Zimmerman was entertaining “silly fantasies” that night?

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    • Here is a fact for you. Your treehouse “massah” has refused to publish any of our posts here. Many times, I’ve commented on what has been said here, and I didn’t do it in a belligerent way; merely in the same way one would debate anything else. It’s clear & apparent that it’s not allowed here. There person who went on about “one-sided stories” further up in your comments should take a good look at the person who runs this “cult” of a page. Oh yes, we’ve seen you attack of your “own” for having even the slightest difference of opinion; or she simply didnt word something in a way that would suit you all. What this site seems to be good for, is showing Zimmerman like characteristics. Some of you are very good at stalking Trayvon supporters, taking screenshots of tweets & refusing our comments to be published. Why? It is also clear that most of you are driven by hate, and by the stereotypes of a specific race. Facts & evidence means nothing here. To you all, Zimmerman was a hero, a guy who got rid of a “no good black thug kid”. He spared the world. Please. Never have I seen such blatant disrespect or horrible treatments to a set of parents whose son was just murdered. I don’t care how you look it, these parents still buried their child and do NOT deserve the treatment they receive from you all. YOu should be ashamed.

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      • WeeWeed says:

        LOLOL!!! “massah”????? Project, much?? :D Oh, and I haven’t noticed you trying to respond here – first time I’ve seen ya.

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      • CCG says:

        So have you come to name call or to discuss the ” facts and evidence” of this case?

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      • gbishop1 says:

        massah? Who talks like that anymore?

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          • Massah? That is truly sad – only someone white, ridden with white guilt, would write something so ridiculously racist. Is that you Skolnik??

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            • gbishop1 says:

              A young black girl I knew at work, used to say that word, mostly on funny occasions, as when we had to split up our team to have some go under a new supervisor.

              She was picked to join the new team, and she whispered, “they just up and sold me to a new massah, without as much as asking.” Anyway, it was funny, but you do feel a twinge of sadness when someone says something like that.

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            • froggielegs says:

              And what’s even more pathetic, her picture is that of her and 3 little mix raced boys. Truly pathetic that she would even consider using that word.

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              • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

                I wonder if she was the white person who was pressuring serino to press charges against GZ (we know there were two black cops pressuring serino to file charges – and one white cop involved with a black cop who also was pressuring serino to fiel charges despite the LACK of evidence)!

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      • ftsk420 says:

        I have disagreed with many on here more then once and have never been attacked for it. I have also never seen you post here before.

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        • Ad rem says:

          She posted before as “momofthree”.

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          • Ah – from Websleuths. Total brick, had her mind made up from day one and now pride has sealed her righteous fate.

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            • kathyca says:

              Based on the profile pic she chose to post here, she’s the mother of three children with a black father. So, obviously, she’s worried about whether they will turn out like Trayvon and meet the same fate and, when and if they do, whether she’ll have someone to blame except herself and the baby daddy. But most importantly, will she be able to race-bait that situation into her own trashcan tour. With three black sons, the chances are, strictly statistically speaking, that at least one of them will wind up in trouble with the law. So she’ll probably have her chance soon enough. I don’t even wonder whether these peeps would have the same reaction to a white thug being killed by George. They wouldn’t. No “skin in the game,” so to speak.

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              • jello333 says:

                This is not directly related to your point, but it might give you some insight into how vicious and hypocritical some people can be when they don’t like the “facts”. I don’t recall if Princess was involved in this, but many of her friends (both black and white) most definitely were. Anyway, they all decided that a certain guy on Daily Kos was evil personified. They went after him 24/7, mostly accusing him of being racist. Until finally he got sick of it and put up a very personal post where he talked about his family. He posted pictures of his wedding. And in those pictures were many black friends and family members… including his new bride! Yes, this “racist whitey” was married to a black girl. So, wouldn’t you expect that the ones who had been hounding him would then apologize, and say sorry for how they’d been treating him? HA! Just the opposite. Most of them doubled down and starting saying things like, “Well, even slave-owners in the old South used to sleep with black girls.” I’m serious…. some of these people (I don’t remember if Princess is one) are almost beyond redemption.

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                • kathyca says:

                  Thanks for sharing that. That’s why I think it’s a complete waste of time to engage with this garbage. They are who they are and all I can hope is that evolution and natural selection will take care of the problem. I hope the Daily Kos guy and his wife are fine?

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                  • jello333 says:

                    Yeah, they’re fine. Actually he and I and many others who were attacked have become friends in real-life because of how things went down there. So the whole thing had a silver lining….

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              • boricuafudd says:

                Kathy, I think you have just hit one a very important point, that drives some the anti-GZ crowd, that is fear and guilt. In many ways the AA community and the Muslim community are very much alike. They both live in a world of respect and honor, to the extreme.

                The Muslim community can’t change having to react every time the are disrespected without calling into question their religion. The AA community has also built a world where any perceived disrespect or dishonor cannot go unpunished. Never mind, that they might not have earned any respect, they demanded. They feel dishonored by their history, so they are insistent that we treat differently.

                To the AA community, GZ disrespected TM by thinking he was a possible criminal, by following him and contacting the police. Then, TM was further dishonored by not arresting GZ, even though the evidence was against it.

                Now, the AA community is fearful and guilty that their son and daughters who are acting the same way they did when they grew up, are now in danger. Laws have passed that no longer insulates them from reprisal and people are no longer as hesitant to respond.

                This has created a conundrum for the AA community, in order to protect their kids, they would have to renounce the lifestyle they have led. Possibly admit that the thug culture that they have celebrated and embraced, is not conducive to regular society.

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              • howie says:

                Workin the night shift? Too much. Pathetic and desperate.

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          • jordan2222 says:

            I still fail to see what constructive purpose trolls can accomplish on a forum except to disrupt intelligent discourse but exactly what is the point of using more than one user name?

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      • gbishop1 says:

        “Never have I seen such blatant disrespect or horrible treatments to a set of parents whose son was just murdered. I don’t care how you look it, these parents still buried their child and do NOT deserve the treatment they receive from you all. YOu should be ashamed.”

        And you should be ashamed at your age for following for such charlatans. They are grieving the guilt and neglect of their boy, their inability after his death also, to accept and acknowledge the thug he had become and the way he really looked. They are visting around the nation to every church, rally, political event, congress and senate houses, tv shows, and anything else available to them to handout their trashcans and rake in the dough. You should make sure you’re getting some since you’re keeping the hot gas pumping into their big blimp of lies.

        BTW, also ask them if they’ve spent the Victim Funds Monies they received from the State, or the $1 million dollars that Liberty Mutual paid out to them.

        Oh yes, while they tell their trashcan lies, and fake their crocodile tears while tormenting an innocent man for defending himself against their thug, you could atleast educate yourself by reading some of what we post on here. Read Tracy Martin’s tweets which I posted above, and tell me if these parents are worthy of your friendship?

        If you would follow up on evidence and research, look at all the facts and remove your bias colored glasses, you may actually realize that an innocent man is being punished, and terrorized, for doing nothing more than saving himself from being killed by the “kid” you claim to be Trayvon. Please for the sake of justice and truth, which you yourself might need someday, do the right thing.

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      • Sickof BIGbrother says:

        This reeks of ignorance. This whole “case” isn’t about justice for anything other than bank accounts. There is zero chance the state’s paper thin case will pass the jury test, but that doesn’t matter. Crump and the rest are waiting for the civil lawsuit for wrongful death so we can hear a billion times that “GZ should have never gotten out of the truck” and because he did, TM is dead..ergo, GZ caused his death, where is my money? The bigger the circus, the bigger the cut of whatever GZ has coming to him in the way of books and other infamous celebrity roles and appearances once he is set free. That could be substantial money and Crump knows it. He also knows there is no damn way a judge will dismiss this at a SYG hearing and will pass the buck to a jury. A win in a civil suit also deflects lawsuits that GZ might have filed against all the slimy parties in this fiasco. TM never mattered. At first, they wanted to go after the SPD, but now GZ himself is the target for the $$$$$$$$PAY$$$$DAY$$$$$$$. TM is just one of thousands of misguided youths with no parental guidance or future that is dead from their own poor decision making. The difference is that a suspect police dept and a guy with the last name of Zimmerman was involved. Mo Money Mo Money Mo Money Mo Money

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        • kathyca says:

          Dead on. Except I disagree that this will ever be decided to guilty by a jury. The DCA or the FSC will reverse if there is a ruling against George at the immunity hearing and, failing that, there is no chance a jury could reach a guilty verdict in this case. At best, they will be hung and there’s no way the State will re-try. It’s all about money,victimhood and race-baiting.

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          • justfactsplz says:

            I am believing that George will get immunity at the SYG hearing. He needs to win it because all evidence points to self defense and then he will be protected from their evil lawsuits. It is morally wrong for him to have to give any of them any money.

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            • jordan2222 says:

              When people here say that George would be subject to civil suits, don’t they really mean the SPD or other agencies (Florida taxpayers come to mind) would be subject to suits?

              George has no money for anyone to get. Surely, Crump is not counting a payday from George. He could leave the country and end that.

              Forgive my stupid question but I have been puzzled about this for a while and do not recall reading a definitive assessment of EVERYONE who could be liable besides George.

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            • jello333 says:

              If things go as they should, it’s GEORGE who’ll be rolling in money by the time this is over. He has a legitimate claim against several individuals and organizations, including some with very deep pockets. And I hope some of the “justice for Trayvon” victims around the country join is his suits.

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              • jordan2222 says:

                I saw a list that someone had compiled of all of the individuals, news organizations, etc who had defamed George and that would be worthy of lawsuits. That was early in the case and I did not think much of it at time but things have changed as long as George continues to stand his ground.

                The list was made by an attorney and cited specific violations of the law. I do not remember the site but it was a reply to questions asked if George could ever recover money from a false arrest. Maybe someone here previously posted a link to it?

                I would be interested to see that list now because it had good legal resources. If anyone remembers it, please post it.

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          • howie says:

            After the election Bondi and Scott will arrange a taxpayer payoff. So it is written if it follows past actions by these perps.

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      • mung says:

        Your Messiah was not a 12 year old boy who didn’t do anything wrong. The parents that you say we are disrespecting have disrespected all of america by pushing their BS down our throats. If you feel sorry for anyone it should be Alisha Martin who has had to watch everyone make it look like Tracey and Sabrina are a family. Everything they have been portraying is an out and out lie.

        Their son was not murdered by the way, he was killed. Until a jury comes to the conclusion that it was murder (which won’t happen) you can’t call it that.

        If anyone should be ashamed it is the parents that raised and ignored a child that attacked someone for just looking out for his neighbors. The only reason they care about this now is that they are raking in the money from the sheep that they have convinced that this was a race related crime.

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      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Laura. Please – GZ has not “murdered” anyone at all.
        “…. whose son was just murdered. I don’t care how you look it, these parents…”
        In fact GZ is INNOCENT of murder – UNLESS he is FIRST convicted in a Court of LAW. That has not yet happened. GZ did commit a self-defense HOMICIDE. Calling a person a “murder” is libel and slander. You can state, “alleged murder GZ” – if you like. This is part of the “Media blitz”, and GZ, after he is found innocent, can go after the Media-idiots that don’t understand the libel/slander laws that are supposed to prevent “Media Lynching” of the innocent George Zimmerman.

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      • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

        Tracey Martin and Sybrina Fulton need to be arrested for their negligence and their many many many lies

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      • Black Racism is the Good Kind of Hate says:

        Tracey Martin, Sybrina Fulton, Crump the dump, natalie jerkwad, matt guttman, robles, bondi, and corey should all be embarrassed. Jackson and charlatan should be embarrassed. dr phillis should be embarrassed. obama should be embarrassed. CNN, HLN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, & NBC should all be embarrassed. gov jerkwad should be embarrassed. Black folks need to look in the mirror at their own hate that they refuse to address before they come to white peiople to demand more guilt by whitey and crackas.
        .
        you need to examine how many whites were attacked in Trayvon’s name or just cuz they were white after this case came out (and b4).
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        Black people’s racism is NOT the good kind of hate. You should be ashamed that you demand that whites reform while you refuse to alter your negative behaviors in the least

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      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Laura,
        Provided you keep the language “clean” – I think the TreeHouse will support your right to make statements here. Perhaps your own “blog-page” here where you can complain about the “un-fair” treatment you might be receiving here. But I would ask that you stop saying, “Murder George Zimmerman”. Say, “Alleged Murder GZ”. Respect this correct language – and we will respect YOUR opinion.

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      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Laura – I am certain you are a very nice person. I have friends like you. You were fed this profoundly false narriative of this cute litlle 11 year-old kit skipping down the side walk with this mean-old KKK guy GZ, just waiting for this cute kid. So GZ jumps out of the bushes, “racks” (cocks) his pistol, in TM’s face, and the 11 year-old kid runs as fast as he can away from this armed-kkk thug – but he is not fast enough – because GZ runs faster. After screaming down the walk, GZ guns him down with 2 shots in the back. I think that is your “story” – and you are sticking to it.

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  36. princss6 says:

    Golf clap – nice fantasy there based on your racial Birth of a Nation fantasy. Will you deal with the actual evidence in discovery at some point…I know Stall’Mara is stalling so take your time but at some point the dissonance will be overwhelming if you continue to present this case outside of reality with specious arguments made up out of whole clothe and irrelevant to the fact that GZ is going down for Murder 2.

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    • raiikun says:

      Funny how you claim O’Mara is the one stalling, when it hasn’t even been a month since O’Mara got all the evidnece the State has had since March.

      And that’s just one of your many factual misunderstandings.

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      • princss6 says:

        He can request a non SYG SYG hearing at any time…he could also start his deposition at any times. Has he? Oh yeah, that’s right….too busy trying to fund raise so he can maybe possibly get paid.

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        • raiikun says:

          Once he got a majority of the State’s evidence, he started scheduling depositions. That’s how the process works. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you have to invent your absurd claims of “Stalling” due to your poor understanding of the legal process.

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        • James F says:

          So funny that you mention fundraising.

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          • I see they sold a picture or two to Dr. Phil and mentioned their foundation at the end of the show. It’s just ridiculous for the Traybots to mention Zimmerman’s fund raising – they are so dumb they don’t realize if he doesn’t pay, taxpayers will…

            Princess, are you BigBoi’s bitch (pun intended), tonight?

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          • arkansasmimi says:

            Yep, talking about FUND raising Trayfam is ON IT:
            Justin Campbell‏@Justin_Rashad Sept 14
            To donate to the #TrayvonMartinFoundation text JUSTICETM to 50555 and a $10 dollar charge will be applied to your phone bill…
            Retweeted by Tracy Martin

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            • gbishop1 says:

              Oh boy, these guys are not missing a single trick, are they?

              I hope someone notifies the federal agencies, and such, this is plain wrong to defraud people like this to make money. They financials need to be put up on a big board where everyone can see what scam artists these people are!

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            • Someone told me they think Justin might be Trayvon’s brother – which would make sense.

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            • jello333 says:

              Lemme see. Any “fundraising” George has done has been either for legal expenses, or for George and family’s living expenses, including security. Which, by the way, is only needed because of the DEATH THREATS from the GZ-haters. While any “fundraising” Crump/Tracy/Sybrina have done has been to finance their new-and-improved “I’m famous now!” lifestyles, and has gone straight into their pockets! They are NOT in hiding. They have NO need for donated money… Tracy and Sybrina could easily work if they WANTED to.

              So tell me again: WHO are the greed-merchants here…. WHO are the grifters?

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              • gbishop1 says:

                But Jello, come on they have to pay their 7 traveling lawyers, not to mention freelancers who sent us the copyright violation for the photo, asking us to pay up or else. Where’s the money for all of them going to come from.

                And clothes, and jewelry, manicures, pedicures, hair do’s, and perfumes, not to mention beauticians, massages, shrinks, gal fridays? Did you see those huge spider lashes on Crabcake, or was it Cupcrack? Those eyelashes alone had to cost a pretty penny.

                Trayvon’s going was like hitting the big lottery jackpot for these people wasn’t it?

                And they don’t as much as know what their son looked like as a 17 year old thug, if you look at the 12 year old picture they’ve posted on all their sites.

                Honestly, Tracy and Sybrina, would you know your son, if you saw him in heaven?

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      • JW says:

        True. Why has the State hung on to the evidence for so long…I guess they decided to actually look at it and see if they could find anything to support their bogus charge.

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    • James F says:

      Well, well, if it isn’t Nasty Natalie Jackson’s biggest twitter worshipper/stalker. The treehouse really struck a nerve in the pathological Trayvonites this time. Say hi to Nasty for us!

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    • waltherppk says:

      Specious arguments made up whole cloth are the specialty produce of the Crump-Julison textile manufacturing company.

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      • jello333 says:

        And just a heads-up about this particular person. She was one of many on Daily Kos who ganged up on anyone who dared turn against Obama. There were a bunch of people there who had been Obama supporters in ’08, but have since come to realize what a fraud the man is. So a major civil war erupted on the site, where most Obama Haters (as they became known) were accused of racism by the OBots (as they became known). Never mind the fact that most of the now “haters” had voted for, even worked for, Obama in ’08. They were told, “Well, you may not have been a racist then, but you are now.” So believe me, some of these people will think NOTHING of screaming “racist!!!” if they think it’ll further their agenda.

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        • gbishop1 says:

          George was an Obama 08 supporter, and look how they turn on one of their own, when there is not enough black in them?

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        • hoffstyle71 says:

          She also wallows in the pool of vermin known as the “Like it is now” blog talk radio bunch, and is a Leatherman follower to boot. In other words, a know nothing. Nothing to see here folks. I stopped caring when I saw old fraud Fred in her twitter feed.

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    • arkansasmimi says:

      OH Look a Puppy showed . Must have been Central Time Zone. Get out your pooper scooper Admins :)

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    • gbishop1 says:

      THERE YOU GO TREEPERS, I TOLD YOU, THEY’D SNEAK SNIPER SURPRISE ATTACK, WHADDYA KNOW, A LOT OF HIT AND RUN TROLLS HERE.

      That’s how Trayvon did it, baited the cracka by running, hiding, attacking him sniper style like this lot here.

      Birth of a Nation, Stall’Mara honestly, you people really are clueless.And not very witty I might add.

      Maybe when you remove your head from between your @$$ you might be able to see clearly and make more sense.

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    • Ynona says:

      Dissonance. I knew someone who overused that word quite a bit on another forum. Is that you? Yes, I believe so – specious, clothe, etc.
      You’re famous for discovery in other cases if I haven’t confused you with one of your friends. Ho. La.

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    • ftsk420 says:

      Evidence is in GZ favor even the police report shows that. Go ask Serino he wanted to charge GZ that night but it wasn’t with 2nd degree murder. So your fail is official you may go now.

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    • mung says:

      What evidence? You mean the evidence that shows that it was self defense? You mean the evidence that shows that team Trayvon has been lying about everything? You mean the evidence that shows that Trayvon attacked George? I doubt that you have looked at any of the evidence and that you only follow the lies that the media wants you to believe.

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    • boricuafudd says:

      I have read your comments and now I understand, you are scared, your are terrified that white people dress in sheets will come through your window. You see GZ as one of those people. This is why you hedge and called everyone a racist since they don’t agree with you. You are petrified of light skinned people. This has actually been diagnosed, psychologically, while I don’t remember the name, you seem to present the symptoms.

      Dear, is okay to live your life, there are no light skinned people after you, in fact you are at more danger from your own people than that anybody else. Let go of the FEAR, we are trying to get you. Live your live, let go of the anger at your fear, maybe then you will see what it plain to see.

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    • gbishop1 says:

      Birth of a Nation was over a 100 years ago. Not only are you wrong about Conservatives, but you don’t know nothing about the KKK people that you are comparing us to.

      Have you seen any KKK around anywhere? Nor would you know someone who is one.

      Let me help you out. Here is a video of a recent KKK grand dragon interview with a Jewish Australian journalist who tries to join them.

      Note, even though he hates Jews, he isn’t rude or cruel as your honored NBPP are, or for that matter, the lot of you Trayvon supporters are. Keep your enemies closer, learn them:

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      • ftsk420 says:

        It’s funny ever since this thing started I have been called a racist many many times I don’t think I have ever been called one so many times. Funny part is I’m mixed so are my nephews and my niece. I happen to love black people as long as their heads are so far up their own ass they can’t see straight. People need to wake up and realize just because we have a difference in opinion doesn’t make us racist. Boricua put it perfect it’s FEAR.

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    • Chip Bennett says:

      You present none of State’s evidence in your response. Thus, one may reasonably assume that your own narrative is that which has been “made up out of whole clothe [sic] and irrelevant.”

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    • justfactsplz says:

      He is NOT going down. He has the truth, evidence, and his Lord, and all of heaven on his side.

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  37. PRINCSS6 has a small-timer blog where he’s obviously proud of his independently-conducted research that PROVES Zimmerman is a dirtbag…somehow….further analysis proves that PRINCSS6 is a believer in the systematic racial profiling of blacks, black pride, black anguish, black black black black…..[cough]….there’s a theme there – if anyone could enlighten me as to what it is….

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    • froggielegs says:

      Wait, it’s a guy?? LOL I always took the name to mean Princess. Maybe they need to change their name to queen?

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      • James F says:

        Whoever or whatever they are, they seem to subscribe to Tracy and Sybrina’s parenting style. It also seems they actually believe the 13 year old trayvon myth and that might explain their irrational emotional investment. I feel sorry for their unfortunate child.

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        • froggielegs says:

          Oh I know who that Lexichey is. I read an article about how she and her followers were thrown off of Websleuths crime forum for posting lies not facts of the case. They made their own site called the Penthouse where they go around to various blogs and forums and troll then go back to their own blog and ass slap each other.

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          • menostupid says:

            Sounds like some of the twits from that JBM too. They read here constantly & copy & paste comments made here & sit around laughing about them. You heard they believe GZ, FT, & MO had some kinda burglary ring operation going on right? Where they are the ones responsible for ALL the burglaries in the complex…**kookoo for coco puffs**

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            • arkansasmimi says:

              Oh they might be some of the 4 idiots at thejbmission.com lol Yes IF you count the Blog owner as one of the multi nics that post there. She talks trash and quotes from here in her articles. Cant explain the facts to her dumb self. Had a pretty good following before this case. She is close minded because of something that happened in her family life that was her parenting skills or rather LACK of, so now she sides with the Trash Can passing clan. Dont waste your time going there unless you wear hip boots. There is even a BLACK BUTTERFLY there lmbo yep racist all the way.

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  38. raiikun says:

    Kinda sorta almost hoping that someday one of the Trayvonites will have a new argument that hasn’t already been factually rebutted many times, weeks or months ago. There’s been nothing new in awhile. Repeating the same old rebuttals is getting boring.

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    • maggiemoowho says:

      I don’t think it will ever happen. They seem to use one mans videos and a shady ex-attorney for all their info. The man who makes the videos of his own speculations seems to get obsessed with cases like Caylee A. and Haleigh C. I also read that he is a convicted fellon. As for the leathery lawyer, well need I say more. They have no factual evidence to provide against GZ so they have to make up their own.

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  39. itsallboutmeash says:

    Someone has to explain why George said Trayvon was running and then could not describe that running.

    Maybe because based on the 7-11 video it probably looked more like this: …. /SD.

    Someone has to explain how George remembers exactly what Trayvon said but can not remember how Trayvon fell or he got out from under him.

    Broken nose. Easy to remember what happened before you were cold cocked than after…./SD

    Someone has to explain why George never mentioned telling the dispatcher to just have the cop call him.

    Never mentioned to whom?….. /SD

    Someone has to explain where George got the idea he gave a description of his truck to the dispatcher.

    These are all very serious things to just forget and very convenient things to forget.

    The judge will want answers to them.

    Silly nonsense…. /SD

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    • JW says:

      allaboutmeash has spoken….So what? The judge may or may not think those questions are pertinent. They don’t seem that relevant. The State has a much bigger burden that GZ.

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    • ftsk420 says:

      Lmfao for someone with so much knowledge you really don’t know much do you.

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    • mung says:

      Someone has to explain how Javaris became Tracey’s son when someone named Scott was paying his child support. Someone has to explain how 9 year old Trayvon was strong enough to pull Tracey out of a burning house but not strong enough to attack George. Someone has to explain how Trayvon was an A student but missed more school than he attended last year. Someone has to explain how Trayvon ran away then ended up at the T. Someone needs to explain how George could have caught up to Trayvon.

      The judge will want answers to these questions.

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    • Sickof BIGbrother says:

      how do you describe “running” when the person running is wearing pants that are 4 sizes too big? I’ve seen characters with the sagging pants try to walk and they look like wounded ducks. If they even attempted to run, I’d have no idea how to describe it. It was dark. Sound travels through dark, but dark impedes a person’s sight. I doubt George ever dreamed that TM would stalk and assault him on that sidewalk…ergo, he didn’t memorize every tiny detail of what he said to dispatch that night anymore than e could recite word for word what he said on any other phone call. They are only serious things to people that have absolutely no evidence any crime was committed, but desperately attempt to invent things to further the agenda.

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    • cajunkelly says:

      Additionally, *none* of that matters. When traydmark cold cocked George, breaking his nose, then began beating him “MMA style” and bashing his head into the concrete, it became life or death self defense.

      P.E.R.I.O.D.

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