Saturday Open Thread – April 7th

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE on earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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181 Responses to Saturday Open Thread – April 7th

  1. Shalini says:

    I have to get back to my Easter breakfast prep for tomorrow, so I just dropped by to wish you all a joyous and blessed Easter. :) It’s a day early I know. We do things earlier here! :D

    • Yes, but your family in Australia will celebrate even sooner than you! Have a very blessed Easter, Shal! And a blessed Holy Saturday to all Treepers today. Now, I’m going out to find some Tiramisu for tomorrow. I’ve been dying for some ever since you tortured us about your midnight snack yesterday! ;)

  2. tnwahm says:

    I just wanted to say Thank You for cake and ice cream along with the birthday wishes for my dd the other day. I showed them to her and she ~and her sisters~ were quite impressed. This is an on-line community that I cherish. Not sure that I’d be sane w/o you all. Thank you.

  3. stellap says:

    This beautiful story of a holocaust survivor brought tears to my eyes.

    “I am afraid that unless one has witnessed life in Europe under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, Iran under Khomeini, or anywhere under any other dictator, the word freedom may become an abstraction or a platitude.

    “For me, this is the greatest of all festivals. Celebrating release from slavery to freedom has a significance hard to imagine if you have lived all of your life in a country where everyone is equal before the law.

    “I can sum up how I feel by simply stating, ‘God bless America.’

    “This freedom we celebrate tonight never came easy. But for us, for my generation, the price will never be too high.”

    Those are the words of an eyewitness to evil.

  4. stellap says:

    Muslim Brotherhood’s $1.5 billion Holy Week Windfall –

  5. solaratov says:

    Rather indicative of the state of manufacturing in America…………………….

    And, to think that America once led the world in all fields.
    Even Dammer is selling imported boots. DANNER!


    • solaratov says:

      “…even Danner…..” :-(

      • barnslayer says:

        Danner and Chippewa sell both imports and made in USA boots. Totally different lasts in each case.

        • solaratov says:

          Oh, I know that Danner makes a lot (if not most) of their stuff in the USA. I was just really surprised to see a bunch of their stuff labelled ‘imported’.
          And I have no (or very little) doubt that anything imported by Danner to be sold under their name is pretty likely to be above average.
          (At least, that’s what I hope!)


          • barnslayer says:

            I have a couple of pair of Danner imports. A hiker and a military boot. Comfortable, waterproof and light. I can’t swear for their durability. By comparison my Chippewa USA made boots seem like body armor.

    • stellap says:

      There are very few companies manufacturing shoes in the US any more. I make an effort to look for shoes manufactured here or, at least, not made in China. The last pair I bought came from Spain, and a pair of boots I ordered from an Canadian company, who used to manufacture in Quebec, were NOT made in Canada!

      ADD: The company in Canada is Wanderlust, and they make waterproof snow boots. A pair I bought several years ago are still good, and they are completely waterproof and warm. The new pair are okay, but not as well-made as my old ones, imo.

      • barnslayer says:

        Dunham used to be a great Canadian boot maker. The got bought out by new Balance and the feeble few that exist are all imports (China).

  6. Question for Treepers about Tax Day coming up. Some, like Ann Barnhardt, have suggested a general tax strike to protest, not only the Marxist overthrow of our Federal Govt, but also our extraordinary strategic and financial support of the Muslim Brotherhood. As Stella posted up-thread, Canada Free Press reports that the administration has decided, against the wishes of Congress, to fully pay Egypt, up front, $1.5B in foreign aid. I personally consider this a serious moral dilemma. I’ve opposed the idea of a tax strike in the past, but as Ann B has stated, your money is being used to do things you don’t agree with, like wage jihad. I’m starting to come around on this, and we only have a few days to decide. Any opinions on this? Barn and Stella have stated their views against. Any others?

    • solaratov says:

      Do you really want to miss the revolution because you’re inside a cage?
      And, that non-payment of taxes will become a felony charge — turn in your guns (or, at least give them to someone legal); and – if you’re convicted — Bye, bye guns FOR-FREAKIN’-EVER!! :-(

      There are ways to do these things that won’t bring a boatload of shit down on you and your family — though they don’t have the same dramatic flair.
      It comes down to what is most valuable to you: fighting for the future…or…drama.

      Because, believe me when I say that the .gov is going to drop on you like a ton of bricks to make an example for others considering the same thing. (Pour l’encouragement des autres)….and, #2, no one will remember who you are and what you did to stand up for a morally right position. That’s the way people are. Sad, but true.
      Even though your position is a morally correct one, no one will follow because they are all afraid of what this out-of-control government can – and will – do to them.

      The best course of action – for the time being – is to wait, work for the election of AOB (even if that means – gag! – Romney) and take it from there. If lil barry wins, though, all bets are off — and it’s time for a new ‘strategy’.


      • Well, I’m with you, and that’s been my argument so far. A fight is coming, and I don’t want to be in a cage as an idiot tax-“cheat” when it comes. My assumption furthermore has been that Ann never expected to make it this far before things started to come apart. I could be wrong, but I think she fully expected to be in some militia bunker someplace by this time, so the point would be moot. But here we are, in early April, and we have a gun to our heads, quite literally, forcing us to write a check that will be partly handed over to the Muslim Brotherhood and the remainder given to Marxists here at home. And you are totally right about them bringing the hammer down on anybody who wants to be an example. They’ve shown that intention by the enormous build-up at the IRS and the recent motion to revoke passports of people who are behind in taxes, virtually imprisoning them here, even if they’re not actually in jail. I also agree that no tax strike has any chance of being wide-spread. None.

        All I’m saying is that after recent events, the dilemma is sticking in my craw worse than ever. Is it time to leave? Is it time for something else? Is it time yet, Claire?

        • And, Sol, about your new “strategy” if Lil Barry wins… aren’t we there already? Romney is assured of the GOP nomination. That’s FACT. Nothing will wrench him from the party grasp at this point. Nothing. And Barry has not succeeded in raising a billion bucks to fight him by legitimate means, but you can bet he will have that much at his disposal (and more) by illicit means. Romney is his dream opponent. Romney is the poster-child that the OWS crowd were formed to combat. Read Menagerie’s opinion below. She’s right. Absolutely. We will not be rid of Obama by years end. Start making those plans. It’s time.

        • solaratov says:

          Interesting thought…………….
          If obamacare is declared un-Constitutional by the SCOTUS (which seems at least possible), what is the IRS going to do with the 18,000 new enforcement agents that were *supposed* to enforce the provisions of the ACA?
          Gotta use’em for something.


          • GracieD says:

            Actually, Sol, they would lose their jobs. The ACA Created their jobs, and if it is ruled Unconstitutional, those jobs would legally cease to exist. I am one of the dorks who actually read the bill. Many things would cease to exist if/when ACA is ruled Unconstitutional.

    • GracieD says:

      Grunt, I have a bit of a different take on this issue for a couple of reasons. My Uncle, yes an actual relative went to the Fed Pen for T. E. in the early to mid 90s. I can tell you that the tax man is unbelieveably harsh with anyone who crosses them. You lose literally everything you own. Further, the Fed just prints/digitizes funds whether or not you actually pay your taxes. Lastly, but most importantly, IMO, Jesus said “…render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s”. He does not say anything about agreement with what Caesar does with the funds. Trust and believe that the gubmint, especially this gubmint would love any excuse to take your rights away from you. I pay the gubmint everything I owe it. That gives me a clear conscience.

      • stellap says:

        Excellent points, Gracie!

      • Good answer, Gracie, and thanks for the info. Presumably, in a “free” republic, the gubmint is supposed to have restrictions on what we “owe” it, including the “consent of the governed,” so there’s some room for interpreting. But there’s no question that withholding consent means awful consequences. I understand, and I will pay, because I have no interest in pointless drama. However, there are still some things that I will not pay for, regardless of the consequences, so I think we’re getting to the point where we must choose to leave the country, which is no longer a bastion of freedom in any sense, or openly resist it here, and pay the price. Are we there yet? I no longer have any comment on that. :(

        • GracieD says:

          I have a well heeled friend who has left the Country. That is not an option for my family. I will go down swinging. DH and I are in the process of figuring out how to fight the fight.

    • Menagerie says:

      I consider this to be the swan song of the Republican party. At least it certainly is as far as I am concerned.

      • stellap says:

        Well, it isn’t over til it’s over, regardless of what the GOP super delegates say now.

        ADD: I think of it as a feint (sp?) – they (you know who they are) are trying to convince us and everyone else to give up. Why bother voting in the primaries? It’s over, after all.

        • tnwahm says:

          I agree. It ain’t over. The longer this Primary nomination process is, the better for everyone.

          What have we learned during this Trayvon debacle? DO NOT TRUST the MEDIA!

      • barnslayer says:

        If it is so let the Phoenix arise from its ashes. Let us name it TEA Party.

        • Menagerie says:

          I agree wholeheartedly. This is my thinking, maybe wishful, I admit. If Romney is nominated, and if he were to beat the worst pResident ever, which he will not, then we will get four years of exactly what we expect of Romney. This will be slightly less horrible than re-electing the current Trojan horse we have, especially since he would cut loose his lameduck dogs. This will enable any of us who have some level of sense to see that the Republicans no longer have anything of value to offer up as an alternative. Someone, some group, needs to step into the breach. I hope it will be the Tea Party, but at that point, it had better be somebody. Because I am done bending over for the Republican party.

          • Menagerie says:

            Add: if Romney is defeated, which I absolutely believe he will be, because no one ever chooses lowfat cheese when the real thing is out there, then the anger of the base will be righteous and mighty. The complete and total sell out of each and every one of the Republican leaders will be their last great effort for many of us. If we cannot now muster the leadership, the courage, the wherewithal to defeat a joke, I mean a JOKE of a president, then we have no purpose, none. This is make or break.

          • tnwahm says:

            I vehemently disagree that Romney cannot/will-not beat BO/BS. This election isn’t going to be about the Republican nominee. It is going to be about BO/BS and the DemonRats. Remember 2010? The victory in 2010 wasn’t because we had such inspiring candidates ~although there were several;~ but because of the backlash against BO/BS and the DemonRats. Do you really think that Americans are going forget about HellCare ~and yes even if our nominee is Mittens, which I am only conceding if both Newt and Santorum drop out~ I don’t care what the Supreme Court does because if they uphold the mandate; we the voters will be fired up to get it repealed. If they strike down the mandate, BO/BS isn’t going to give up, they will just continue to implement it and that will further reveal who we are dealing with and they will do what it takes to get rid of BO/BS and the other Dems.

            BO/BS and the DemonRats are in panic mode. Why do you think they are starting early with the “war on women” and trying to agitate and stir things up with Trayvon Martin? TN has 9 DemonRat incumbents retiring from the state legislature this year. We knew no matter who the nominee was that this is just the beginning of the war. There are battles to be waged and won for years to come. Like it or not, we are in this for the long haul.

            • Menagerie says:

              I sincerely hope you are correct. I do not believe that Romney can beat Obama, no matter how terrible he is. I find it utterly hard to believe anyone could be more despondent than I am at what he has done to our country. Only one thing convinces me to let the Republicans screw me into voting for Romney, and that is the Supreme Court nominations that will surely happen in the next four years. I am not at all convinced that Romney will nominate Constitutionalists. And I am enraged, let me say again enraged at the prospect of a vote for Romney. It will be all I can do to place that vote, and if I have to do it, I plan never to support the Republican party again. For what actions I can take, for what effect I can have, there will be hell to pay. There is little hope to be had at the prospect of a Romney administration, and no matter how incompetent Obama is, it will be one hell of a fight to get that crooked bastard and his even more corrupt cronies out of Washington. Every dollar that can be stolen, every dead man who can vote, every polling station that can be made to lose votes – those actions and worse will happen. And we will once again, just as we have been for years except for what Sarah has done, be a party without heart and soul, and with many, many voters such as I enraged enough to do God knows what. Vote third party? Stay home? If Ron Paul runs third party, three quarters of the people I know personally WILL vote for him, knowing full well they are giving Obama the race. Nope, I don’t like the odds, and see only a bad choice on one hand, or a worse one on the other.

              • tnwahm says:

                So what do you suggest? We just pack it now and give up?

                • Menagerie says:

                  Absolutely not. I suggest we do whatever it takes to try to defeat Obama. Nominating just about anybody but Romney would be my best guess as to what we should do, but I just do not see that happening. Like you said, we are in it for the long fight, and long term, I think the Republicans may just be a dying breed, having just fallen on their swords outwardly for Romney, but in truth just to keep their own little staked out piece of ground and to hell with America and Americans and the Constitution in their minds, no matter what they say. Unless a person of the character and leadership ability of Reagan shows up at the forefront of the party, they have turned into bumper cars with no steering wheels. And if a leader who would have the guts and courage and wisdom to do what is needed to begin our long journey back to where we need to be economically, constitutionally, and politically to correct the course we are on were to appear the gutless leaders of the Republican party would duplicate their actions towards the last ray of hope, Sarah Palin. In my opinion, any hope we have will not come from inside the Republican party. Indeed, I may soon consider them my enemies.

                  • barnslayer says:

                    Allen West is a republican. So is Herman Cain and Rick Perry. It’s not the republican party that is failing, it is the old school rino soon to be extinct. Fear not… the new and improved True Patriot Republican is taking his place.

                  • tnwahm says:

                    Exactly barn. What is it that Sarah Palin has said about why she is a Republican? It’s the party platform. What the party stands for. I’m frustrated with the local Republicans also, but I’m determined to help get my friend Charlotte Bergmann elected in spite of them.

                  • Menagerie says:

                    I am going to reserve hope for West, although I no longer have the automatic trust and respect for him I once did. What was done to Cain is an example of what the Republicans are capable of. Had they not wanted that, if not outright been behind it, they could have closed ranks around him and made a hero under fire of him. Rick Perry is the only one I think has any spine at all, and he needs whatever he needs to be able to outgun them.

              • barnslayer says:

                The primaries ain’t done yet. RonPaul has not gone to a third party. We have no clue who the VP/ running mate will be. Lots of stuff can happen before the republican convention. Pray the best gets nominated. Vote out the traitor. Do rotator cuff exercises so your atlatl doesn’t put you in a sling.

            • I pray that you’re right, Wahm. I hope we can successfully make the election about Barry. But I don’t think that’s likely to happen. If we’ve learned anything from Romney’s scorched earth campaign, it’s that a mannequin in an expensive suit can beat good candidates when he outspends them 3-to-1. We can count on Obama outspending Romney 5-to-1, and there’s no sign that the press has deserted Obama. I think Menagerie is right. If there’s no magic Tea Party surprise, then Obama will win. I don’t like it, but I’m afraid that’s where we are, IMO. I think the Republicans may be done.

              • tnwahm says:

                IF it was only about the media and $$$ than Republicans would never win and 2010 wouldn’t have happened. You are selling short the American people. Look at what has happened with the Trayvon Martin debacle. The media has had to admit that they doctored videos, audios and pictures.

                • Menagerie says:

                  The Republicans took the political capital forged for them by the Tea Party in 2010 at great cost, and with the absolute highest expectations of the patriots who sent them a clear message ringing from mountain to valley to dessert to sea, and they put it in Romney’s hip pocket and thought those patriots would be duped. Not so. I am far, far more enraged (notice a pattern in that word?) at the Republicans than I am at the Democrats, because I know they are stupid, malicious socialists at heart. The Republicans were given a job, a mission, and they went to a cocktail party. They should have embraced the Tea Party, and instead they tried to simultaneously use it and marginalize it. We need SD’s picture of that giant eagle, the voters, looking down at the elected here.

                  • tnwahm says:

                    I understand your frustration and anger at the Rhinos. We just have to keep sending more Constitutional Conservative reinforcements until we outnumber them. I think it was Mark Levin that said a couple of months ago that the next generation Repub leaders are the kind of Constitutional Conservatives that we are looking for. Remember that doubt and apathy are tools that Satan uses most effectively.

                  • Menagerie says:

                    Who do we have left aside from DeMint who has not endorsed Romney?

                  • Well said, Wahm, but I don’t think what Menage is saying can be called either doubt or apathy. She’s righteously angry, and that’s good.

                • You make good points, Wahm. And I have not lost hope, and I do NOT encourage anyone to stop fighting politically. At this point, though, I think we are better served to pray to be saved from Obama 2.0 by an outright divine miracle than by the American People or the Republican Party. Would it be treason to pray for one of those cartoon Wiley E. Coyote safes to fall out of a window onto either Mitt or Obama?

              • MRM says:

                One thing that gives me hope, is the fact that zippy did not win by that big a margin in 2008. When you eliminate the fraudulent votes (and we know that many were) by cracking down on voter fraud with vote ID laws and with more sophisticated and aware poll watchers – utilizing smart phones, etc., you take away at least a portion of that margin. Now, think about those who voted for zippy either because they wanted to prove they’re not raaaaacist, or because they were hoodwinked into believing the hopey/changey stuff, or because he was a Dem and they just always vote that way, but now, 3 1/2 years later…. they’ve got a huge case of voter’s remorse. Then add the number of conservatives who have awakened in the last 3 years and who either didn’t vote last time, or didn’t get involved to make sure their relatives and neighbors voted. Now, combine these groups and remember the fact that zippy has a record this time…. and it’s not a good one. This gives me hope.

                • MRM says:

                  ugh… “voter ID” not vote ID

                • barnslayer says:

                  And Zippy’s marginal win was against….. McCain!!! Romney acts like a bare knuckle brawler compared to him. Don’t forget the swing voters that are disgusted with Oblamer. He is no longer the Hope and Change mystery guy. We know what he’s about and only his blind sheep will follow for more of his failures.

                • tnwahm says:

                  Exactly MRM. BO/BS and the DemonRats are in a panic.

                • All good reasons for hope, MRM, and I will not argue against them. I appreciate the encouragement. I just think we may have to prepare for Zippy 2.0, even as we fight to try to prevent it.

                  • MRM says:

                    Oh, absolutely. and zippy 2.0 is a scary thing indeed. I’m not in any way trying to imply that I think we have it wrapped up. Only that if there had not been fraud and complacent conservatives in 2008 he wouldn’t have won in the first place. They stole the election due to a perfect storm. They will have to resort to some other tactics to win again. And this time we’re awake.

                  • From your lips to God’s ears, MRM!

                  • Ad rem says:

                    Confiteri filium!!!

                  • WeeWeed says:

                    I don’t do Latin. So, is Grunt in hell, now?

                  • Menagerie says:

                    See, see Grunt! I told you. I am going to sit right outside the confessional, and listen to every word.

                  • Menagerie says:

                    Nah, Wee, I think he was just given an ultimatum.

                  • Ad rem says:

                    “Ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc et in hora mortis nostrae!!!”
                    I’m afraid he is walking on a thin line Weed. Those opposed to confronting their sins will be held accountable in the coming of days. (Doom…doom….all encompasing doom!!!)

                  • MRM says:

                    Not sure where this reply will end up, but to continue…. The other factor that gives me hope is the “new media”. Andrew Breitbart is the closest thing to a patron saint of modern day conservatism we have. And what he did to “fundamentally transform” the media and our approach to it is epic. He is far from forgotten, and is, if anything, larger in death than he was in life. He is still regularly blamed by the left and imitated by the right …. and thank God for that. HIs hand-selected staff is carrying on admirably, and thank God for that as well. Thanks to all of them, there is a renewed interest in citizen journalism. For everyone who keeps wishing for another Woodward and Bernstein, please remember that the president they brought down was a Republican. Is it really any wonder there aren’t Stepford media types lining up to take down a Dem Pres?? really? But, with Twitter (how many of the left’s hashtag campaigns have backfired on them now…. all of them??) and Facebook and blogs and websites, we are a whole different crowd than we were four years ago. and for that, thank God once again.

                  • Oh MRM, I’m sorry, but this thought got interrupted. If it’s any consolation, I’m pretty sure I’m going to hell for it.

                  • MRM, you are absolutely right about the new media, and I’ve never been so proud of anything before. I’m so glad that heroes like Breitbart, and Rush before him, stood up to the leftist media. Very good point. I still think we’re a minority, but we’re a proud minority, and there’s something to be said for that. Well put! And thanks! :)

  7. stellap says:

    This is a good one found over at Iowahawk. Deconstructing the national debt –

  8. Menagerie says:

    OK, you guys who discuss weapons, does anyone have knowledge of the atlatl? I want one.

    • barnslayer says:

      Why, if I may ask? Lots of easier effective alternatives (slingshot, bow and arrow). I Saw it used on some weapons type show a couple of years ago. It’s sort of a sling thrower for spears. Aussie might have more knowledge. I think the Aborigines still use them.
      It might be tough on the shoulder.

      • Menagerie says:

        I just fell in love with it. I don’t want it to hunt or anything, just to add to the neat collection of stuff. It fascinates me how ancient it is. I watched a few videos online about the physics of the way it works, and I find it fascinating that primitive man worked this out, especially when it comes to strapping rocks to the handle to increase the force to be transferred to the dart.

        • So, let me get this straight. You don’t know or care anything about guns, or anything cool like that. But you want to make an “atlatl?” So you can chuck spears? Even after Barn made it clear it would totally trash your shoulder, and you’d end up in surgery again. Aren’t you still laid up from the last surgery? ;)

          • Menagerie says:

            Listen, rocket scientist, I know a mediocre amount about guns, I shoot a rifle pretty well, a shotgun pretty good except when those damned orange thingies roll across the ground and hop like rabbits instead of fly over my head like they’re spose to, and I can hit the broad side of a barn with a 9mm Glock. I know shells go in shotguns and bullets go in pistols, and I ain’t never brought a knife or an atlatl to a gunfight. Since I am a Renaissance woman, I appreciate the primitive weapons of our forefathers. I am still laid up from the last surgery, but I can chuck a spear, take a drink of Jack, and practice some more. From my front porch swing. I plan to train my black lab to retrieve the darts, because he’s afraid of dead birds. Well frozen ones anyhow. He’s weird, kinda like the rest of us. :D :D

      • Aussie says:

        you mean a boomerang… but it has some disadvantages :)

        Enjoy :)

      • Aussie says:

        and yes they still have spears but the boomerang is a weapon of choice :)

  9. frenchreader says:

    Have a look at the proud frenchman who has french papers ….

    • stellap says:

      Good riddance to bad rubbish, as we used to say. Good to see you, French Reader.

      • frenchreader says:

        Thanks. We have our own presidential election at the end of April and so much is at stake.

        • Aussie says:

          and I am wishing with all my heart that we were heading to elections.

          We continue to be left with a mob of watermelons, who really are Marxists. The leader of the Greens must have been smoking a lot of dope because he believes in one world government and he wants the UN to rule over us.

  10. barnslayer says:

    Got this of Google. There are many regional variations but they work the same. Basically it’s like throwing a tomahawk without letting go. The atlatl’s weight and length increase arrow (dart) speed.

    • Menagerie says:

      Hey, thanks a lot! This is going to be a neat way to spend a little time on a Saturday evening. Appreciate it Sol.

  11. Hey kids!

    Tired, long day. Egg hunt hayride, then off to the mall to see the bunny. Then a solo shopping trip to finish Easter shopping and then we just dyed eggs with the kids. I did take an hour off to get my nails did.

    How is everyone? I hear we’re building weapons?

  12. MRM says:

    oh… and after all my cheery, rah rah comments above….. this really made me take pause – I hadn’t thought about it being a warning……. (it’s from a comment on another blog, in reference to what we made note of the other day – when Jay Carney addressed a dissenting [CBS] reporter)
    “Did anyone take notice to Jay Carney using the term ‘righteous indignation’ to CBS News’ Bill Plante this week?…..coincidentally the same title of Andrew Breitbart’s book! Is that a warning to Plante who seemingly was taking a momentary leave off the reservation?”

    • Whoa. I didn’t think of that. But is Carney that smart? Hmmmm.

      • MRM says:

        Perhaps not that smart, but certainly that scripted. and that owned…. having sold his soul…..

        • Well, that part is true. FDR would probably tell us that Carney already has a locker with his name on it down there. But the way he said it, just seemed more like he was calming Plante down, rather than threatening. Also, I have a hard time believing that the title of a Breitbart book had achieved household use in the White House. Libs just don’t even seem to pay attention to the conservative media except to swat at them like flies. But who knows?

    • texan59 says:

      What do you think? These guys don’t say anything without a message somewhere in there! :evil:

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