I said Monday on Twitter: “Seriously. Correct me if I’m wrong. For more than a decade we have known that billionaire Les Wexner from Victoria’s Secret was the originating money man behind Jeffrey Epstein.
This should not be some kind of revelation, as it was widely discussed by those who researched Epstein over a decade ago. Wexner’s money was the originating capital for what would later become Epstein’s influence empire.
Additionally, and again, stop me if this old news is incorrect, well over a decade ago it became openly known that the “PINK” brand of Victoria’s Secret was specifically created due to the sexuality of young girls becoming part of the marketing influence of Epstein.
Wexner created the original VS girls, and the influence of Epstein (underage sexual perversions) then led to the adding of the VS “PINK” sub-brand.
Are we supposed to understand this is all new information? Honest question. No snark. I’m just confused by this sudden newness of it. We been knew.”
Full 2001 VH1 segment, glorifying Jeffrey Epstein while showing Epstein’s allegiance with Bill Clinton and Kevin Spacey.
They also point out he has his own chemistry lab in the basement and world class scientists which he pays “20 Million dollars a year to perform WHATEVER… pic.twitter.com/JVXVrdubo0
— Bridgett Fertig (@LightOnLiberty) February 10, 2026
The above VH1 segment was from 2007; however, even ten years prior to that it was commonly known that Les Wexner from Victoria’s Secret was the source of most of Jeffrey Epstein’s start-up finances. The resulting social network was fraught with sexual weirdos, and the VS brand alignment just fit with the club.
Suddenly, Representative Thomas Massie, a Sea Island asset if ever there was one, is proclaiming the Epstein file information outlining the relationship with Wexner is new information, stunning in scope and worthy of extraordinary time to explore. It’s all weird.
🚨🇺🇸 REP MASSIE NAMES LES WEXNER AS CO CONSPIRATOR IN THE EPSTEIN FILES
Massie confirmed the “well known retired CEO” previously blacked out and labeled a co conspirator is none other than Victoria’s Secret founder Les Wexner. pic.twitter.com/lWId4H9TFZ https://t.co/6YmH1NaeWL
— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) February 10, 2026
VIA NBC – […] The newly released version of the 2019 document shows eight people are listed as co-conspirators, including four whose names are not redacted: Wexner, the former CEO of Victoria’s Secret, Lesley Groff, Epstein’s longtime secretary, the late modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel, and Ghislaine Maxwell, the only person who was charged in connection with Epstein. She was convicted of sex trafficking charges and is serving a 20-year prison sentence.
Four other names on the document are still redacted. It’s unclear who those people are but prosecutors have said that Epstein used women he preyed on as recruiters. A separate document dated August 2019 indicated that some of the others were victims as well, and had been cooperating with investigators.
A Wexner legal representative said in a statement to NBC News Tuesday that “The Assistant U.S. Attorney told Mr. Wexner’s legal counsel in 2019 that Mr. Wexner was neither a co-conspirator nor target in any respect. Mr. Wexner cooperated fully by providing background information on Epstein and was never contacted again.”
Wexner had a long relationship with Epstein that dated back to the 1980s, and hired him to manage his personal finances. He’s said he cut ties to Epstein after he was accused of sexually abusing minors in Florida. It was after that Wexner said he “discovered that he had misappropriated vast sums of money from me and my family.”
Wexner’s name was also mentioned in a July 2019 FBI email about possible co-conspirators that was made public as part of the DOJ release. Another August 2019 FBI email said there was “limited evidence regarding his involvement.”
He is scheduled to be deposed by the House Oversight Committee next week. (more)
The first time I heard the information about Wexner and Epstein was sometime in the mid 1990’s. It was well known.
There is a lot of horrible, creepy and perverted stuff in the Epstein file releases that is factually new information. However, the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexner is not new. Perverse, yes -as it was even then; but not new. There were even documentaries about it, one of them I think was called “Angels and Demons“.
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Thomas Massie, always poised to disappoint any MAGA patriot
Another UniParty Charmin!
Please don’t squeeze the Charmin!
Massie is a worm trying to be relevant.
As relevant and admired as a tapeworm.
Absolutely!
Just another Uniparty operative trying to maximum mileage from the “Oh, look! Look what I found!” and any other shiny “new” thing to distract from the real issue of how the Uniparty has been stealing and grifting our money for decades.
…and right on cue, hot off of pretending in front of the cameras that he’s “the good guys”, he does it again!
I’m running low on popcorn! Maybe invest in some manufacturer! I haven’t had this much popcorn in 50 years or so!
Hard to believe not one American has been gaoled .
I emphasise I do not support the Maxwell Jewish woman in any shape or form – just strange.
Thank you, Sundance!
Indeed, old old old news!
It’s old news but Massie is making it into something because Wexner’s name was redacted.
They’re going to go after the Trump administration over what was redacted:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/massie-exposes-les-wexner-epstein-co-conspirator-opening-door-criminal-charges-against
Letting Congress see everything unredacted was basically a trap. Now the question is whether it can actually be used.
The whole idea didn’t sit well with me when it was revealed recently. I didn’t know about any legal angles but my thought was that it was just to create another point of contention over the whole Epstein thing. They have nothing on Trump directly related to Epstein but you always knew they wouldn’t let it end there.
Remember, the Left and the RINOs invested a whole lot of time and propaganda articles trying to tie Trump to Epstein in order to destroy Trump. They’re still trying to get an ROI on all of that investment.
From that piece above (which really reads as if Massie had outlined it):
While Wexner’s role in facilitating the crimes of Epstein has been well-established for years, the revelation that the FBI officially acknowledged him as a co-conspirator by 2019 dismantles the narrative woven by the Trump administration that it has not withheld the identities of any of the notorious pedophile’s accomplices. In September 2025, Patel ostensibly did just that when he testified before Congress regarding Epstein. During his testimony, Patel was asked “Who did Epstein traffic these young women to?” by Louisiana Senator John N. Kennedy. Patel responded, “Himself.” There is no credible information—none—that he trafficked to other individuals.” The revelation that the FBI had confirmed that Wexner was a co-conspirator of Epstein by 2019 suggests that Patel lied to Congress during his testimony. Under 18 U.S.C. § 1001, knowingly and willingly making a materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement to Congress is a felony punishable by a prison sentence of up to five years.
That article is ridiculous. No one ever cared before, Massie is trying to lay a trap because Trump called him out.
I remember that Patel really said that. I saw the testimony.
Patel is a liar and a fool.
What about the Sultan? Was it the AP today or yesterday reporting him as redacted in the email thread about sharing the “torture video”?
That’s another one they may use to say the FBI/DOJ lied. I really think this was Massie’s (and other Uniparty RINO’s) plan from the moment they asked to see the files unredacted. They knew with that volume of material, there would be redactions that would contradict things said earlier, or that could be spun to present some angle of Trump protecting certain people.
The legal angle seems weak to me but we know how that works depending on what party is on what side.
As if Patel actually read that many pages…
Rep. Massie may have gone too far directing attention to Sultan Ahmed Bin Sulayem.
Someone like that may not think twice about having Massie disappear.
Dangerous game outing these people.
Let’s hope he disappears. TM is a dangerous douchebag
Is Massie dumb?
Busy trying to destroy his enemy…MAGA
I think he’s one of the stupid people that think they’re smart. Those are the most dangerous kind.
Of a smart person that doesn’t realize they’re being used as a useful idiot.
It WAS (or should have been) well known by ANYONE who follows any of this type of thing – and of COURSE a “Patriot” like Massie should have been all over this as far back as the early 90’s…
As Sundance mentions, this was no secret! [pun inended, too]
I myself posted here many times over the years in the context of unfortunately ignorant over-generalized generic “Israel/jews” bashing, that the vast majority of ALL PEOPLE in Israel are victims of a globohomo “deepstate” cabal regime, just as bad or even worse than the control mechanisms we suffer in the USA under POS like Carter, Bushes, Clintons, Obama, Biden, etc.
They are an anti-Jew, anti-God, degenerate demonic pack of ghouls trying to erase anything Holy and good, to grind good people into the dirt and worse.
Wexner’s “Wexner Foundation” funds, to this day, a “special Harvard program” for the entire Israeli globohomo deepstate regime – any Israeli who reaches any position of bureaucratic, police, legal, judicial (judges and prosecution), military, media or security services leadership MUST be and IS an alumni of the Wexner Foundation program!
Note how close Epstein and Ehud Barak have been for decades; in the infamous “3 hour conversation” recording just released they explicitly discuss (mostly Barak talking about doing it in detail) of wiping out any Jewish religious existence in Israel, etc.
I will repeat the connections:
Wexner funded Epstein (information indicates that Wexner picked up Epstein in a similar manner as Paulie “Dahmer” Pelosi picks up young vagrant homosexual rentbois, note Epstein was once married long ago and long divorced, Epstein lived in Wexner’s guest house for quite some time, Wexner gave Epstein complete power of atty. over his financials, sold the New York Epstein mansion to Epstein for $0, etc.).
Now let’s connect the 3, Wexner, Epstein and Barak:
“In October 2018, Israeli reporter Erel Segal reported that $2.3 million had been transferred to Ehud Barak for unknown work between 2004 and 2006 by the Wexner Foundation, which had described the money transfer as payment for research. On October 29 Maariv (through its Israeli radio station) reported that Barak had been given the funds while he was a private citizen and the fund transfer is under investigation. However, on November 6 a call for investigation by the attorney general of Israel had been filed. The following day, it was reported that contrary to initial claims, the Wexner funds had been transferred to Barak while he
maywas nothave beena private person. [ie, likely while he was still Minister of Defense].Jeffrey Epstein, the American financier and convicted sex offender, was a trustee of the foundation from 1992 to 2007.Epstein, according to The New York Times, held “an unusually strong hold on Mr. Wexner,”[9] and “[h]eld the title of President of the Wexner family financial office.”
The rest, pertaining to Epstein, including Barak’s visits to “the Island” are well-documented in the released files, see here for an example of Epstein telling Barak to “can” [ditch] his security people before his upcoming visit to the island:
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00717518.pdf
Just a final note: One notable person, who was “chased” by Epstein for his well-known purposes and basically entirely ignored him was… Bibi Netanyahu.
Confirmation of Wexner Foundation corruption tentacles, by the idiots themselves, and note the date!
“August 29, 2023
“Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir ordered the Israel Police to stop cooperating with the Wexner Foundation on Monday, specifically with its program sending senior Israeli officials to study at Harvard University, alleging that the U.S.-based organization is involved with “obvious left-wing political movements.”
The decision, which went into immediate effect, will prevent five officers — with the rank of chief superintendent and above — from attending Wexner’s fellowship program at Harvard next year as they had been selected to do.
“Due to political involvement and cooperation with obvious left-wing political movements like Breaking the Silence, I have ordered the bodies within my ministry to halt the involvement of officers in the Israel Police in continued education and all other activities with the Wexner Foundation,” Ben-Gvir wrote in a tweet.
A Wexner Foundation spokesperson rejected Ben-Gvir’s allegation, telling eJewishPhilanthropy “we are not now nor have we ever been associated with any political party or ‘movement.’”
The spokesperson also highlighted the organization’s longstanding relationship with the Israeli civil service, which he said stretches back nearly 35 years.
“A review of the names of our alumni will reveal that we support the full diversity of the civil service in Israel. We operate our programs in full cooperation with the Civil Service Commission,” the Wexner spokesman said.
Wexner alumni include top Israel Defense Forces officers, including former Chief of Staff Aviv Kohavi, as well as ministers, heads of ministry departments, school systems, government lawyers and other mid-career officials who are seen as likely to hold more senior positions in the future.
The minister’s decision was condemned by political opponents, as well as by graduates of the Wexner program. [LOL!]
“… what is this minister of national failing dealing with? The Wexner Foundation,” MK Meirav Cohen, of the [far-left] Yesh Atid party, said in a statement.
Yehuda Shaffer, a Wexner alumnus and former deputy state’s attorney, called the fellowship “one of the best programs that we have,” in an interview on Israeli radio.
“This is run by a man [Les Wexner] … who loves Israel and has no ulterior motives in Israel. This is something that is only good, so why are they attacking this foundation?” Shaffer said.
Israeli critics of the Wexner Foundation’s program noted the organization’s ties to former Prime Minister Ehud Barak, who was once paid over $2 million for two studies on leadership, one of which was never completed, as well as the organization’s alleged ties to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, which the foundation has disputed. “
You’re kind of making Massie’s case for him: Wexner was an accomplice/co-conspirator. But his name (and others) were redacted. That, on the surface, violates The Epstein Files Transparency Act that Massie and Khanna (D-CA) co-authored.
See how they set this up?
From what I just read, the DOJ has unredacted some of the things they complained about (in the public files) already. But they’re going to try and extend the life of the Epstein files to spin a narrative about redactions somehow being tied to Trump, previous statements of the FBI/DOJ being false, etc. The left buys this stuff of course. I’ve heard quite a few local people in this too-liberal area I live in state as fact that Trump is a pedophile and the DOJ is doing his bidding by hiding everything he did with Epstein.
I think what helps here is names like Wexner were already out there earlier. That pretty much kills the “trying to hide” angle. But you do wonder about what was redacted and why and whether a lot of this is just the fact that you can’t precisely or properly redact that number of documents in the time frame everyone agreed to — and they also knew that going in IMO.
I agree with you about the weirdness of redacting non-victim names – but that jackass Massie and his sidekick Ro are making the wrong noise, which seems motivated in implying that somewhere Pres. Trump’s misdeeds are buried in those redactions, too, etc., trying to ‘counteract’ the strong fact that Epstein hated Pres. Trump profusely and Pres. Trump “informed” on Epstein [which is now very public from the files].
“Netanyahu Sparks Outrage Sharing Anti-Israel Article Linking Epstein to Israeli Politics
November 23, 2025”
This is what sparked that “outrage”, 🤣:
we suffer in the USA under POS like Carter, Bushes, Clintons, Obama, Biden, etc….
..Cheney and Kissinger
Absolutely, unarguably 100% correct!
Every single one of them a perverse, degenerate malicious scum, all part of the same dirty crew.
One can only conclude that Massie has had his head up his ass for a long time!!
Massie has head up the Koch ass, actually, uh oh:
https://tierneyrealnewsnetwork.substack.com/p/koch-libertarian-snakes
Finally, we have a new Maverick, going rogue! John McCain is very pleased
Sundance you have a mind like a steel trap. I remember code pink and all that went with it but I didn’t know that Epstein was a math teacher gone billionaire in relation to the brand. I never paid attention to “the stars” or “who’s who”because I always thought of it as ridiculous gossip. It is all coming together now that you jogged my memory. You are absolutely right, it’s been out a long time!
Oops I meant to say just “pink”. Way too early for me to be posting at the time.
The attempt to focus attention on this as if it’s “news” is a “LOOK! SQUIRREL!” diversionary tactic.
Massie is trying to keep us from looking at something/someone else. But what/who?
The SAVE Act and fraud, fraud with a triple helping of fraud which is actually about both parties.
Imagine if only American citizens voted in our elections and all fraudsters exploiting American taxpayer monies were exposed?
Just imagine how much better off our nation would be if taxpayer money was not being used against the citizens.
Anything that dirties MAGA is beneficial to them.
I don’t think they quite understand that each iteration of this, from the TEA Party to MAGA, gets more focused and determined. President Trump made it a much larger and more effective movement.
It’s also why they are throwing everything including Massie/Epstein at it to derail.
It’s also probably why they’ve tried to get us into how many armed conflicts during 45 & 47.
They threw the WuFlu at us, locked us all down and tanked our economy.
These people have no limits for evil.
𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗴𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝗧𝗵𝗼𝗺𝗮𝘀 𝗠𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗲: “𝗪𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘄𝗲’𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗳𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗲𝗻, 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗝𝗲𝗳𝗳𝗲𝗿𝗲𝘆 𝗘𝗽𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗳𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗸𝗲𝗱 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗼. 𝗪𝗲 𝘄𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘀𝗲 𝗻𝗮𝗺𝗲𝘀 𝗽𝘂𝗯𝗹𝗶𝘀𝗵𝗲𝗱.” (𝟭:𝟮𝟬)
Then read the names into the record from the House floor. This isn’t hard, unless what you’re looking for is constant attention. 🤭
https://x.com/seanmdav/status/2021003965778030689
Very bold to be brandishing about the name of a foreign national associated with a “torture” video.
It is theater. Reading names into the Congressional Record accomplishes reading the names.
Action consists of charges and arrests.
Yes, we learned that from Pam.
Except Massie needs instructions from his ‘minders’ as to what he must do next… as ‘they’ are desperately trying to stop Trump and end MAGA….
Was Massie always this way or was there a big shift after his wife died?
Anybody catch Dershowitz on Sean Spicer’s show last night?
Very illuminating. A full hour of Epstein stuff. Congress is on a fishing expedition and rubbing up against the constitution in the process.
Congress is on a talking expedition just like what will happen with Omar. Talk and nothing else.
Anyone who has made an attempt at looking into Epstein before 2025 would have easily found his connections to Wexner, yeah.
Sounds like Massie is pulling a look ay my left hand, so you ignore his right hand trick.
I think we all should be asking “What doesn’t he want us looking at in those files that is new information?”
Massie didn’t have a problem and never mentioned perverts and Epstein until 2024…hmm Presidential election year to stop President Trump from winning and to try to destroy President Trump’s administration.
Massie is covering up the Epstein clients for his pedo friends and himself. Massie never mentions that President Trump was never involved.
Let that sink in.
It was known. I don’t know anything and I knew that. What is remarkably strange is how Massie’s look has changed so much one would be hard-pressed to pick him out in a line-up.
Well wife number 1 is dead, he’s probably busy now that he can openly go after women.
Read recently that he remarried
MNN BREAKING…
* MASSIE DEMANDS PROBE INTO LITTLE GIRLS’ UNDERWEAR
Every Republican in Congress has an ‘AIPAC babysitter’: US lawmaker
Even taking it at face value, why is he only concerned with members of Congress’s AIPAC ties?
lol. Massie just uses the go-between route of..I don’t know..say, Meatball?
And the ones who don’t, like Massie, have some scum like Soros, Koch, etc. “babysitting” them…
https://tierneyrealnewsnetwork.substack.com/p/koch-libertarian-snakes
Are Massie and Warner playing ‘tag’?
Hey, on a lark, someone with more tech savvy than me……..everyone, maybe methodically type in Senator and Representative names into the Epstein files search thingy. It would be very curious if some might be in it. A VA senator? Maybe a KY senator? Maybe others? I’m guessing those searches have already been tried?
Agree. Where is the searchlight on members of Congress; their families; their staffers and others who ran with the “ GET TRUMP” non stop for 10 year????.
There is a search website. Ask ai. I am more curious if the is campaign money.
Massie’s claim to fame is his alleged opposition to deficit spending. Senator John McCain had the same reputation as a “Deficit Hawk,” yet he was also a RINO, which explains why McCain’s “efforts” were strictly rhetorical, appealing to the GOP base, and not at all real. Massie is a fake. He isn’t alone. Fake Republican, James Lankford, the front man for the phony “Bipartisan Immigration Reform Bill,” with its promise of at least 2 million more illegal migrants every year into infinity, is the prime example. The Dems get their voters, bought and paid for by the tax paying victims of the illegal migration, and the RINOs get their nannies and pool guys at minimum wage or less.
Wexner’s role was known, and published, for years by WHITNEY WEBB, and in her recently published two part volumes called ONE NATION UNDER BLACKMAIL, Wexner was mentioned in the index of Volume 1 on 20 different places. Ms. Webb has, over the past dozen or so years she’s chronicled Epstein’s life, included references to Wexner. Wexner’s role has been known for so long the information is a petrified fossil.
I wanna say Wexner was covered by the mainstream entertainment media. It was common knowledge.
understand what is going on. Massive is building a narrative. Let me explain as best as I can imagine what he is up to.
wexner and Epstein are definitely tied together financially. Wexner gave (at the time) the most expensive private owned home in Manhattan TO EPSTEIN. Just gave it to him. This raises some serious questions about what exactly was that relationship and why would someone anyone just hand over the keys to one of the most valuable pieces of property to a “friend”?
so there is intrigue. Are you starting to get warmed up (I am playing this drama to prepare you for what massive has up his sleeve…he is a slimey person…a typical DC practicioner that is trying to outdo Nancy peloser with his wrap up smear campaign).
now that he has established some janky business…some loose but unproven hand waving allegations that wexner was into the business of buying very young girls for a myriad of marketing, advertising and modeling agencies (this is true and it includes young boys as well). And he has these strange ties to Epstein…which is also true.
but what about President Trump. President Trump OWNED Miss Universe Organization (including Miss Universe, Miss USA, and
MISS TEEN USA.
And where would Miss Universe Organization source its models?
primarily through zampolli, but also many other “talent agencies”, one of which was owned by the wexner group.
hunter biden, the smartest man that joe malarkey knows, the parmesan carpet king claims that it was Epstein that introduced Melania to President Trump.
there are claims that wexner helped privately finance some of the Trump ventures in the 90’s.
this is what massive is attempting to do. wrap up smear. innuendo of wrong doing…smart alec gossip
but why now?
voting bill coming up? please give me your papers the uniparty is screaming at high pitch
clarity bill coming up? will banks continue to lock out crypto staking interest and “rewards” (which btw, I support, because for far too long we have not been discussing why your bank saving accounts pays you basically nothing for the right to use your money for invesments and loans! check out Coinbase, making congress nervous and exposed for defending the indefensible).
there is also mid terms. massive might be sweating it. He (like MTG) turned out not to be so maga after all. Just in it for the money, a coward and keen in self interest.
so there you have it.
but overall, yes, most Americans just don’t have a good memory…we have lives to live…we aren’t focused or even perform much research or even a review that lasts over 10 minutes. If it isn’t on social media, it doesn’t exist in the collective mind of the mean.
and that kind of sucks. You would think that a human being designed by God, completely capable of demonstrating really incredible intelligence and resourcefulness could comprehend and digest some of this. The important things. Like who are these pedos and why do have a pattern of getting away with it?
perhaps the answer is simple: people just don’t care…they like the drama, but they just don’t care to get involved.
I would like to be wrong about this. And I know I am. There is and there will always be a small but effective number of THE PEOPLE WHO GIVE A DAMN
I am one and am happy to report I believe CTH is one such community of like minded, sharp, curious and effective THE PEOPLE.
Thank you treepers for giving me hope ..because there are days…yes, there are some days.
God Bless America
I am curious why the cause of death of Rhonda Massie has been kept secret. I read the other day she was found deceased in Ohio? Not her home in Kentucky. There were floated rumors of health issues. Why would that be kept secret? Families keep things like overdose and suicide secret. Is it possible she discovered there was a honey pot and was devastated? There is major silence around this death.
She died of cancer. Just because you’re not aware of her passing, doesn’t make it a secret.
Is it really necessary for each of our 535 national legislative representatives to publish the health status of each of their family members?
WHERE is that published officially? If she died of cancer why did they do an autopsy? Where is that report? Where in Scioto county Ohio did she die? If it was cancer why would they hide it? Nope. Not buying it because of the secrecy.
Look on the tax roles and see if maybe it was at her father’s residence?
There is zero “official published” cause of death at all, nothing, nada.
Where is the autopsy report?
0.o
Who has time to think?
There’s year around FOOTBALL to distract! Online gambling. Mary Jane is everywhere…..
“Most people can’t think, most of the remainder won’t think, the small fraction who do think mostly can’t do it very well. To get anywhere, or even to live a long time, a man has to guess, and guess right, over and over again, without enough data for a logical answer. You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don’t ever count on having both …”
RAH
When you write, I read. Yes to the 10 minute time span. We are disciples of the internet. We want immediate answers. Search google, 2 million answers in seconds. Drop everything, read that instagram post before it disappears. Man is being distracted with immediate gratification. Orwell nailed it. Men are addicted with a buzz, sports, & gambling. (Among other things such as erotica) Sitting still listening to God’s whisper is a lost art. Our country is in dire need of patriotic warriors that wrote our beautiful constitution & gave their reputations, their fortunes, & their very lives for their country. We need real men again with hair on their chest and tigers in their tank to take on the sinister evil we currently face. The day is coming.
No, it’s the absence of cranial capacity of the average citizen. They vote stupid, they eat stupid, they do stupid. It’s why we are losing our country.
You hit it on the head.
Rep. Tim Burchett commented during an interview on the subject on Newsmax today that he doesn’t believe Epstein killed himself in prison.
Every single time I hear this subject come up, no matter where I go, and who is talking…the overwhelming majority agrees that he got wacked. I am one who believes this to be true as well.
now there are ways you could get someone to “suicide” themselves, but I will not go into those dark areas and describe them. Lets just say, there are methods of psychological warfare that are known…and in particular we have to acknowledge that Epstein was not a normal or healthy person. If you listen to his podcast with Steve Bannon…you pick up on a very dark individual, is smart in some ways, but also godless (faithless) and generally a nihilist. A person like this only needs a small nudge and they would throw themselves off a building smiling.
anyway, there are just not that many people who believe the narrative that he choked himself to death…..its possible, but it certainly makes his death comforting to lots of child predators….and some are likely very powerful and living politicians, and the rich.
God Bless America
I believe he followed up by saying he thinks Epstein is still alive and is being hidden. It didn’t surprise me because I immediately remembered Barr was in charge as AG.
Redacted emails could very well be false email addresses. Example: Anyone can make up an email using the name [email protected] or [email protected] and send emails. The investigators would have to go to xxx.com and verify that the person using that email was in fact that person.
I believe Hillary had so many email addresses was for her to exchange passwords with others and each had a specific email address. Then simply write the message as a draft and the email would never be sent. Very simple.
Very few of these people would send unencrypted emails to each other.
U can use the full header to get a lot more details. It would be stupid if the only got the email.
Maybe it’s just more proof of the performative nature of politics? No depth to any of these folks.
As night follows day, Democrats are trying to smear Sec. Lutnick now and calling for his resignation because, as Lutnick explained in an interview, while a neighbor in NY, he went to Epstein Island with his family and friends at one point. Though after being invited into neighbor Jeffrey’s apartment – one time – he considered him a sleazebag and told his wife so at the time: Having noted a massage table in the middle of the living area, he asked about it somewhat jokingly and got a very creepy feeling from Jeffrey’s sleazebag response, as he described it, and decided that he would never want anything to do with Epstein personally after that.
I’ll say. For one thing, the statement is dated Friday August 9th 2019, and Mr Epstein was not “found unresponsive in his cell” until Saturday August 10th. Had the Mossad wet-work team’s flight been delayed? Or was Bill Barr anxious to sign off before he left to weekend in Bermuda?
Nonetheless, we stagger on…
We continue to pad cautiously down the tunnels and hollows of the Epstein files, if only because I am curious to discover, in the time that remains on our Civilisational Deathwatch (see right-hand sidebar), who actually is running our world underneath all the exciting distractions about who’s two points up in Iowa or which talentless arse is twerking at the Super Bowl.
So herewith a couple of other tunnels and hollows that might be worth prowling around. First up, the current US Commerce Secretary: Howard Lutnick lived next door to Jeffrey Epstein for ten years. So (starting thirty seconds in) Mr Lutnick relates the tale of their first meeting…
That’s a very professionally told anecdote. It’s almost as if Lutnick has done a Master’s degree at the prestigious Wharton School of Anecdotage in Pennsylvania – like a Dame Judi Dench-level masterclass in anecdote. The hand gestures and line readings are perfect – so that, when Epstein emphasises to Lutnick the importance of “the right kind of massage”, Miranda Devine instinctively recoils from the ickiness of the image. No wonder Mrs Lutnick wants out of there now. And as he says:
Brilliant. So that was 2005, and from that day forth the Lutnicks eschewed any further contact with the “disgusting” Epstein. “So I was never in the room with him socially, for business, or even philanthropy.” And, as befits a Grand Master of Anecdotage, Lutnick counts out the three tiers of A-List American Intercourse on his fingers. Then he continues:
But fortunately not in the sense that the “Russian girl” gave Bill Gates a gift. If only more of America’s business elite had had the integrity to do as Lutnick did!
Er, except that it was all total bollocks. Lutnick stayed in touch with the “gross” guy for over a decade, more or less to just twenty minutes shy of Jeff being found “unresponsive”. Whereas Howard was never not unresponsive when it came to “being in the room”: in November 2015 Lutnick invited Epstein to be in the room with him at a reception for Hillary Clinton. Philanthropically? How about November 2017, when Epstein was invited to a United Jewish Appeal dinner honouring Lutnick and purchased a table for ten?
Well, that’s just that grisly New York thing of business events masquerading as social occasions – although it does testify to the general consensus among the Manhattan elite that having a conviction for procuring a minor for prostitution is no biggie, not when it comes to shooting the breeze with Mrs Clinton.
So what does that leave? Oh, yeah, being in the room with him “socially”. December 19th 2012:
To which Jeff replies with his customary terseness and lack of capitalisation:
So Sunday lunch it is.
Lots of people were somewhat vague and evasive about their contacts with Epstein – “Oh, I may have met him once or twice in the last half-century” – only to come a cropper when the decade-long extent of their intimate friendship emerged. The National Security Advisor of Slovakia has had to resign over Epstein. In London, Peter Mandelson has become the first Lord President in half-a-millennium to be expelled from the Privy Council for misleading re the nature of his relationship with Epstein. Even in America, the land where political accountability goes to die, I see that former Senator George Mitchell, Clinton’s “peace envoy” to Northern Ireland and Obama’s to the Middle East, has had to resign from Maine’s Mitchell Institute, which is now looking for a new name.
Yet no one has lied to the American people as explicitly and emphatically and with such dazzling hand choreography (not in the two-girl-special Epstein sense) as Howard Lutnick.
So why is he still Commerce Secretary?
Down another tunnel, this one dripping in melted cheese: Tucker and his guest Ian Carroll have a good analysis of the Epstein files’ astonishing amounts of pizza. I can see why parents of young children might have mention of this particular delicacy in their correspondence – “Nathaniel’s bringing Jeremiah back after school for a couple of hours. Can you stop and get pizza? Jeremiah won’t eat anchovies”, etc. It’s harder to see why it should figure so prominently in emails between the rich and powerful. In my own archives of this millennium’s emails, the word occurs only once – after Ezra Levant and I did a free-speech event in Ottawa and afterwards Laureen Harper, wife of the then prime minister, invited us back for a late pizza at 10 Sussex Drive.
By contrast, despite Epstein having private chefs and living in one of the most bountifully endowed restaurant cities on earth, the word “pizza” occurs in the files 844 times. For purposes of comparison, the word “Putin” occurs 992 times, which was enough to get the world’s most prestigious media outlets speculating on whether Epstein was working for Russia. By the same logic, could he not also have been working for Domino’s?
From an unnamed sender to Jeffrey a year before he went unresponsive:
Tell me, as a foreigner, when one invites a friend to go get pizza in America, is it common to specify the beverage in advance? Would one not leave the selection to whatever one was in the mood for on the night? After all, if one is not obliged to fine-tune the pizza toppings – pepperoni, say, or green peppers – why must one pre-decide between Dr Pepper or Mountain Dew or whatever?
Incidentally, have you heard the phrase “grape soda” since Season Seven of M*A*S*H? Well, as Scott Fitzgerald wrote, “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They drink grape soda continuously.”
Thus Harry Fisch to Jeff on June 3rd 2018:
Dr Harry Fisch is the urologist to the stars, Professor of Clinical Urology at Columbia University and, per his publisher Simon & Schuster, America’s leading expert in erectile dysfunction. He also likes grape soda. In fact, he recommends copious amounts of it immediately after taking your ED prescription:
Has anyone in the somnolent “mainstream” media asked Dr Fisch what’s with all the grape soda?
Just a couple of months back I had occasion to quote an old telly joke from the Seventies:
And so there are.” …….
Interesting take
Could this be a saving face move because Massie’s gotcha attempt at implicating President Trump failed once the court documents were released?
Massie has raised a lot of campaign funding over this Epstein debacles as has other Dems.
It’s too late for one of the Kentucky 3 to be Playing dumb.
Is daily fall down Mitch still wobbling around in the geriatric Senate and falling down daily?
Don’t forget the Abercrombie founder was a member of the Wexner inner circle.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/former-abercrombie-ceo-jeffries-enter-plea-sex-trafficking-case-2024-10-25/
What I think about Massie, now, is that he has not been deep in the weeds of anything and he has flitted about to various groups, especially the homesteading groups, and others, whom he might attach himself to for popularity’s sake. I don’t regard him as a serious person any more. Hopefully, he will just fade away. This recent “aHA!” is just more of the same, trying to snag the spotlight. Disappointing, to say the least. I used to think he was a genuine person.
If we are being intellectually honest we should be able to admit the Trump administration, to this point, has handled this poorly. Trying to gas light us with the Bondi circus and dismissing the Epstein Mossad intel operation as it didn’t exist is baffling to me.
Whether the current revelations are another deep state play at Trump is irrelevant. He needs to get serious and start the arrests of either known Epstein Coconspirators or shift the debate to the Election fraud/coup conspirators.
You can’t have 4D chess without arrests/prosecutions.
Anyone who was reading up on ‘tunnels’; ‘adrenochrome’, ‘children in cages’, ‘SRA’, ‘TerreMar’, ‘Little St. James’, ‘Pizzagate’, etc. knew this depraved sicko’s name. So Massie must be either a liar, or horribly ignorant, which, in either case, renders him unfit.
They’re all insufferable
Why not go ahead and throw a high-profile mark under the bus again? You distract a lot of voters who don’t have time for details but will recognize a mall brand.
Great projection and water carrying by distraction cartel.
Depending on the circumstances, Thomas Massie wants things both ways.
He poses as a man of principle, but is he?
Or is he just an opportunist?
Frankly, I don’t know.
What I know is that he is unreliable when the chips are down.
Did Jeffrey Yass give him permission to repeat what the rest of the world had known for years?
lol Massie is, as Massie always has been – Trey Gowdy in drag. What surprises me is that there are conservatives who still defend him.
We have to get over this manifestation of the battered spouse syndrome, where if someone comes along who doesn’t spit in our faces we want to pledge undying loyalty to them. Our loyalty should always be to the truth, and what is right. And the people we elevate as our champions have to stand the test of that spotlight the same as we all.
Trey Gowdy found a gig at the Murdoch network for all his efforts. I’m sure Massie will land on his feet for his own contributions to the cause.
J
As did Paul Ryan, who later assisted Gowdy into becoming another one of many Faux News Liars
I think Mike Benz is onto something with his take on the Epstein situation, according to his latest appearance with Joe Rogan.
Essentially, Epstein was how business is done. He was a sleaze, but he wasn’t directly blackmailing anyone. If he ever did, all of his access to the rich and powerful would vanish instantly the moment word got out. Instead, one of the benefits of being around him was that he gave them access to beautiful young women.
It’s almost certain that some of his victims were underage, but there is no evidence that he blackmailed anyone. The pedophilia outrage is well-deserved, but it obscures (intentionally?) the reality of the situation. People get mad when pedos are involved, but most just shrug at another story of influence peddling.
I believe Massie and the other neo confederate anarchists were happy to scream about Epstein because they never thought PDJT47 would release the files despite the faux outrage demonstrated by Congress when they passed the bill requiring release. I think they figured it would give them a couple years of attack vectors screaming “OBSTRUCTION!” as the DOJ bumbled along, but the administration outmaneuvered them.
Now they’re crapping their pants over seeing their friends’ names in print but nowhere does PDJT47’s name appear connected to the filth – PDJT47 is on the record early rejecting Epstein. They are desperate to slow or stop anymore information from coming out, so they deploy useful idiots like Massie to obstruct things with stupidity.
I know Rogan isn’t popular with all Treepers and Benz can be hard to listen to because he’s all over the place sometimes, but when he finally gets to the part where he defines Epstein’s role, it makes a lot of sense.
Here’s hoping we will be freed from Massie and the noise coming from the big hole in his face come November.
“There is no evidence that he blackmailed anyone.” What happened to all the videos Creepstein had? Unspoken blackmail.
Thomas Massie, financially supported by the same forces paying democrats…
IDK, Sundance, I think Epstein was very well know and very well covered up for years considering the media is an arm of the government. The Clintons are at the heart of all corruption since the 80’s when Roger Reeves and Barry Seal could land with cocaine in Mena for a $50K fee…
JEFFREY Epstein bought hundreds of gallons of sulphuric acid for his island on the same day the FBI opened its probe into him, new docs show.
Receipts and internal emails indicate that six 55-gallon drums – a total of 330 gallons – of the corrosive chemical were delivered to Little St. James on June 12, 2018.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/15918898/epstein-bought-sulfuric-acid-fbi-probe/
Water desalination tool? Just a thought
Disposal of children?
What a disgusting puff piece from VH1. Never watched that slop and had no idea of the gay influence. Epstein was their hero……….. until he wasn’t. Their world is a ghetto
What’s the deal with his own scientists/chemists?
The air needs to
Be let out of this hoax.
Close ranks republicans. One of your own is uncovered. Who’s next?
It is my understanding that the names are redacted because of a Court Order and/or some legally binding agreement with victims.
If they just put this much energy into actually trying to do something (lower taxes, balance a budget, etc) rather than trying to twist words to create some kind of outrage that can’t possibly be addresses, We The People would be much, much better off.
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Massie has a terrible case of TDS which exceeds his normal ability to reason which is a shame.
add Rand Paul to that list.