There are three background facets worth discussing in the Charlie Kirk assassination. To wit, a fulsome historic reference is likely worth creating, so we can all evaluate information with a similar baseline.
(1) The background of events in the lead to Charlie Kirk’s murder; (2) the post-shooting activity of the FBI; and (3) the reality of motive carried by the 22-year-old assassin, Tyler Robinson. All three of these issues are separate and distinct; however, some people are dangerously merging them together. This should be avoided.
To help avoid conflation that happens, it is worth addressing all three issues separately and comprehensively. In this outline we address the first, the background events swirling around TPUSA and Kirk prior to the shooting.
Turning Point USA (TPUSA) is a donor funded organization. Within the business of engaging causes of worth it takes money, often a lot of money, to run the core logistics of the operation. With Charlie Kirk removed from TPUSA’s mission, I hope their donors and supporters remain fully engaged and are able to expand on his life’s work.
Back in 2022, the same background financial interests who were structuring the presidential run of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis also supported TPUSA.
Part of that collaboration surfaced in mid-August ’22, when DeSantis exited his five-days of silence in the aftermath of the FBI raid on President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate (August 8, 2022).
In the lead to the election campaign, DeSantis came out of his bunker directly into a promotional tour for his book, The Courage to be Free.
The Florida governor joined TPUSA as several events to increase his national profile. As a natural outcome TPUSA was funded for a short time by the same people funding the DeSantis long-term launch. Many of these donors were already part of the TPUSA financial system; it was a natural convergence.
To his credit, Charlie Kirk viewed the DeSantis effort as supporting a solid conservative, a fellow in the bigger battle, and yet remained supportive of Donald Trump throughout the collaboration and into the presidential primary once DeSantis formally announced over a year later.
Recently, when discussing the tragic event of Kirk’s assassination, Tucker Carlson noted Charlie Kirk took a lot of donor backlash for a shift in his position around the issue of Israel and the overwhelming retaliation taking place in Gaza.
Both groups, professional evangelicals and strong Israel supporters, took exception to Kirk questioning the attack on Iran and the ongoing decisions by the Israeli government to continue bombardment of Gaza. WATCH:
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The donor backlash Tucker Carlson is referencing, is also evident in an earlier podcast segment Charlie Kirk did with Megyn Kelly about a month before his murder. Again, for fulsome understanding it is worth watching the entire segment.
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The reference Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk are outlining was/is a cultural shift amid a great deal of young people as it related to how they perceive Israel. The issue was weighing on Charlie Kirk who was a strong supporter of Israel and was known as a voice for Gen-Z independent thinkers. The issue was such an important topic for Kirk, he did an entire focus group discussion on it [SEE HERE].
From the perspective of Kirk, a distinction needed to be made between support for the nation state of Israel to exist, and criticism for the way the government of Israel was conducting the war against Hamas. However, the pro-Israel donor class do not permit this nuance.
Additionally, Charlie Kirk was calling out secular Jews for funding the radical left.
What a way to sign off. pic.twitter.com/CYZWpzldS6
— Lauren Witzke (@LaurenWitzkeDE) September 11, 2025
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Put the three issues together, (1) a reluctance for conflict with Iran, (2) concerns about how Israel had extended the Gaza conflict, and (3) direct criticism of Jews funding the radical left, and what you get is an overreaction by the Israel-first lobby calling Charlie Kirk ‘antisemitic’.
Charlie Kirk was not ever an antisemite. However, his soft touches on the third rail of criticism toward Israel created massive backlash from his donor base; again, hard-core evangelicals and wealthy donors of the Jewish faith. This is not coincidentally the same donor base who funded the launch and 2024 primary effort of Ron DeSantis.
Again, to his credit, in the two-months prior to his murder Charlie Kirk did not waiver from his position; a position that was entirely in alignment with the voice of the Gen-Z audience to whom he was connected most deeply.
However, due to Kirk’s history of unwavering support for Israel a shift in opinion was viewed as a risk. The need for control is a reaction to fear. A pressure campaign against Charlie Kirk was created by the aforementioned donor group.
This is the context that surrounded the assassination. This context is not connected to the motive of the murderer, nor is it connected to the motive of the FBI in the aftermath. This background just sits alone as the accurate context for some of the external pressures that were upon Charlie Kirk for the two months that preceded his death.
Against this context, the donor groups, individuals and organizations that were participating in the pressure campaign, then had another concern in the aftermath of the shooting. Would they be blamed? Would this, once again, feed yet another conspiracy theory against Jews?
That aspect explains the openly obvious media campaign that was waged by the donor groups, individuals and organizations in the aftermath of the shooting. What we saw was coordinated praise for Charlie Kirk by the same people who were criticizing him for a shift in tone and opinion toward Israel and waging the pressure campaign.
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Again, WATCH:
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Obviously, the people who were pressuring Charlie Kirk would be very nervous about being blamed, and that aspect directly surfaces in the way members of the Jewish community and Israeli government reacted to his murder.
The intent of this post is to create an honest record of what was taking place in the background prior to Kirk’s assassination.
The reason clarity becomes important is because without it, dangerous conspiracies thrive.
There is ZERO EVIDENCE any of these background ‘donor pressure’ issues had anything to do with the murder of Charlie Kirk, yet already online people are making direct and inferred connections that do not exist.
Israel did not kill Charlie Kirk.
An unstable ideological leftist named Tyler Robinson, who was living with his transgender boyfriend Lance Twiggs, killed Charlie Kirk because they hated him.
Tyler Robinson hated the purity of Christian values that Charlie Kirk represented. Every day that Charlie Kirk spoke to their peers and dismantled the lies, was another day Tyler and Lance felt threatened by the return of a moral society that was the foundation of Kirk’s advocacy.
Do not let the issues conflate.
Yes, Charlie Kirk had become openly critical of the decisions being made by the Israeli government. No, Charlie Kirk did not stop supporting Israel.
Yes, Charlie Kirk was facing significant backlash by the very influential Evangelical and Jewish donors to his TPUSA organization. Yes, the influential donors were trying to convince Kirk to stop being critical of the Israeli government. However, no, there is no evidence Israel had anything to do with the crazed behavior of a mentally unstable leftist who assassinated him.
If that changes, we will openly and honestly outline it as we do with all subjects of great interest and consequence; but right now, there is no evidence of any connection.
Pray for Charlie Kirk and his family. Honor his legacy and support all the new awakenings happening as a consequence of this tragic and violent event. Do not allow yourself to be drawn into the dark imaginings of those who have an ulterior agenda. WATCH:
Good clarification. I’ve read on Gateway Pundit that a family of Lance said he was a very violent and mentally unstable boy and they didn’t associate with him because of all his hateful views. They do think there is a very dark gamer group that was privy to a lot.
I have grown increasingly suspicious of these chat rooms and gaming groups on the internet. They are worrisome indeed. I have heard more than a few stories from kids who were saved out of the transgender nightmare and they have said they were egged on and encouraged to pursue more and more radical ideas in these chat rooms. Who knows who these people are! Could they be foreign enemies, kids who are radicalized themselves in these chat rooms and game rooms? or could it be a combination of both. I agree with Sundance 100% that if the FBI didn’t want ANTIFA to exists, it would not exist. I believe the same about these internet chat rooms and gaming groups. They exist and are becoming more dangerous because the FBI has done NOTHING to put a stop to them.
If you remember barry and his crew communicated through the game and chat rooms right under everyone’s nose. They also sent draft emails to each other. Why does the FBI not shut down Antifa?
Charlie Kirk was able to defend Israel and be critical of decisions they made – even Netanyahu understood that. DeSantis myopic view is not surprising. The FBI needs to blow their own horn at every possible opportunity, no matter how foolish it makes them appear. Tyler Robinson was an impressionable tool for the marxist agenda. I’m sure every other comment over on Zerohedge is full of ZIONIST this, ZIONIST that. Thank god for CTH.
“Charlie Kirk was able to defend Israel and be critical of decisions they made”
Yes, but not without paying a price for deviating from Zionist donor expectations…. I posted this yesterday and in response to your comment, I believe it’s appropriate to post it again:
Preface: I know Grayzone is far left but they’ve also been ahead of the curve on a lot of things especially in the anti-globalist world. I read everything, left, right and middle. There is a lot of trash from far left media but in that trash, one can occasionally find diamonds.
Grayzone article from September 12, 2025, discusses the circumstances surrounding the assassination of Charlie Kirk. According to the article, Kirk had recently rejected a significant funding offer from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, which he believed was an attempt to silence his growing criticism of Israeli influence in U.S. politics.
Key Points from the Article:
Overall, the article presents a narrative of Kirk’s increasing dissent against pro-Israel influences and the potential repercussions he faced, culminating in his tragic assassination and Mr. Kirk feared retaliation from pro-Zionist forces.
With all that said, I agree with Sundance that Charlie Kirk was killed by a radicalized transactions.
Israel can do as it wishes (legally) to advance its interests here in the USA.
We in the USA can support or criticize Israel as we see fit. It is debatable whether we should have bombed Iran. So far, so good. But if the long threatened Iranian terrorist cells do something nasty, will we think that? TBD
since “Grayzone” is so well informed,
so comprehensively knowledgeable,
and since “Grayzone” KNOWS that:
Perhpas “Grayzone” can explain,
or you as a “Grayzone” reader
who
“reads everything, left, right and middle”
will tell us which Israeli agency made the alleged cash mega offer to TPUSA,
since Bibi is no fool and
would never leave himself exposed
naked,
to the world,
directly trying to purchase influence
the way Qatar does
financing Middle East Studies Departments
throughout Western civilization’s universities?
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Agree, also read the Grayzone article ( by chance ). But I was already hearing the ” trust but verify ” birdie chirping on my shoulder, and I no longer trust. Too many unanswered questions and manipulated ( propaganda ) media actions occurring – from both sides! That’s without adding in the obvious questions of support and logistics required to accomplish the act.
Jeff’s article – “However, no, there is no evidence Israel had anything to do with the crazed behavior of a mentally unstable leftist who assassinated him. ” ( tho he qualifies that if evidence comes to light, he will bring it forth ) ” is not acceptable to this retired cop. No evidence – pro-or con, means you investigate until you have or can validate the lack of, not that implications and insinuations are ” unfounded “. You just turned the heat up Jeff ( but i wonder if you didn’t really mean to – who’s on third?)
Sorry for the name confusion – meant Sundance where I inserted ” Jeff “. I claim old age.
Agree the categorical phrase “there is no evidence” is uncomfortably reminiscent of Barr after the 2020 election. Re online radicalization, a guest on Bannon pointed out recently that nobody knows who’s doing the moderation in these influential chat groups, “it could be foreign intel assets for all we know.” Of course it could also be domestic “deep state” intel assets. Interesting segment (esp. first half):
https://rumble.com/v6ywb6c-mitchell-i-think-the-country-were-gonna-wake-up-to-on-monday-morning-is-gon.html
We are supposed to believe now, I gather, that it was an organic and autonomous inter-state network of trans activists communicating in the open — and that this network was unmonitored, unsupervised, and uninfluenced by any intel agency or element thereof, foreign or domestic.
I suppose we also have to assume there was no (foreign or domestic) intel community infiltration of Kirk’s security team and no kind of security “stand down”, just an epic fail.
Oh!
I see!
Every claim made
in the Grayzone article you cited
comes from “sources” who choose to remain anonymous.
That’s highly credible.
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-netanyahu-israel-assassination/
Max Blumenthal has taken his teenage rebellion against his father’s ideologies, into his 30’s.
His father is a leftist. He was a main supporter of Hillary and is probably the democrat that started the Obama birthed rumor.
I think you mean the Birther Truth.
And Grayzone is a reliable source of info (perhaps and possibly gossip-level intel) because?
What is their source of this info?
UNLESS Charlie was directly quoted it is 2nd hand ‘hearsay’ info, and interpretive speculation even when done by members of his own staff.
Another Brennan?
And Fox new is a reliable news source because? We can do this sh1t all day.
Its no secret most of his biggest donors were billionaire jews.
https://x.com/davidjsorensen/status/1966641448209490198
Diane Davis Spencer
Foster Freiss
Bernie Marcus
Bruce Rauner
Stephen Einhorn to name a few.
To think they didn’t have considerable sway over him is absurd. There are plenty of stories about how he had changed over the last 6 months or so and they came after him, just like the grayzone article said. He was dipping his toe in things they did not want discussed. At this point you can’t rule anything out. Anything!
Lotta mind-reading and hearsay.
The article clearly has an agenda, no doubt expressed in many other contexts.
…”Assassination Context”… … …..
That’s a lot of words for Red Herring. That Sundance just spent a whole post refuting.
I find it interesting the day selected, Charlie had tour stops all over the country, the day before 9/11 interests me. It interests me the way aftermath of Butler was handled.
Everything from MkUltra to gov’ts, to just plain ol psychos are capable of doing the murder of Charlie Kirk. I have watched the body language of Kirk when speaking about Israel, it was an uncomfortable subject that made him nervous. Does that mean the Mossad took him out? I don’t know, I will never know nor claim to know who killed Charlie, just because it is on the internet doesn’t mean it is true.
I do pray for his family and friends, and I pray that his vision isn’t ruined, that it will become bigger and better than before in his honor and memory.
Your last sentence was a bit garbled and I’m not sure what to make of it.
A lot of this speculation seems to have been prompted by Harrison Smith having posted on August 13: “I’m not gonna name names, but I was told by someone close to Charlie Kirk that Charlie thinks Israel will kill him if he turns against Israel.”
According to a NY Post article yesterday, on the night before he was shot, he was “combatively” playing the role of “devil’s advocate” in lively conversations with Israel lobbyists on a zoom call. https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-and-rabbi-pal-talked-hours-before-his-death-he-was-in-a-combative-mood/
We too can defend America, and not be blind to where our own weaknesses lie as well.
Concur w/that.
Speaking of ‘blowing their own horn’ Blondi has been strangely silent.
One item that I have not seen any info on is the history of firearms use and marksmanship of the assassin.
What is the deal with the guys making hand signals?
I am wondering the same thing.
It’s my understanding that they were part of Charlie’s security detail. Perhaps they were signalling to other parts of his detail in and around the crowd. Perhaps they were just fidgiting type movements and weren’t signals at all.
The only men on harlie’s dais were his security people.
Who is harlie?
C harlie
There was an article on Daily Mail from a law enforcement person who explained that he/she understood the signals that Charlie Kirk’s security was making but I don’t pay so I couldn’t read it.
I saw that as well, but saw several different versions, one seems to play in real time and seems innocuous from a different angle(his RH side) and the other one that has the circles and slowed down video makes it look like a MLB catcher sending signals.
re: “What is the deal with the guys making hand signals?”
Okay, let’s start this edition of the game ‘Telephone’ with this, behind the man in white doing the hand signals –
Here is a video taken to the right and behind the guy you are talking about – He’s security – and he responds when Charlie is hit (seen in the video)
https://x.com/OwningTheFloat/status/1965878660587819125
I saw that too.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOhU3syiO4c/?igsh=aGdwNjYyZG82dzE1
He is the son of a law enforcement officer, so very likely that he was taught how to use firearms from a young age.
False. His father was not law enforcement. Worked in construction.
Didn’t do proper ‘product assessment’ with his son… better check out his other work product.
His father is not a LEO. Someone with the same name was mistakenly identified as the father.
The family owned guns. Tyler was using them when he was a boy.
Read one report that the assassin had boasted to friends about his long-range proficiency with a rifle.
NY Post had the article; Robinson claimed he had made a 450-yard shot.
In a conversation about guns a few years ago with coworkers at an eletrical company that employed hm, talk turned to longest shots. He “excitedly” bragged about having made a 450 yd. shot. The othes wer3e surprised because he was usually quiet and did not join their conversations.
There’s photos of the shooter with guns very young so exact history not available yet but gun culture in rural areas is still a thing and I don’t have an issue with that but we do need some way of determining risk. How if at all possible without damaging our Constitutional rights is for someone other than me. I love the AI Charlie Kirk tribute on the Presidential thread I don’t trust AI helping with “predictive policing” due to a recent very bad experience I had that was caused by AI and the terror created by all employees in emergency services now being directed to follow AI dictates like good Germans just doing their jobs full well knowing it was totally wrong as evidenced by their inability to make eye contact. I consider what happened to me as attempted murder of two people by AI and there were no guns involved. AI has no heart, no soul or any of the other senses that we humans have that helps us determine a situations validity. False records are created daily and AI is using those false records to make decisions and that’s dangerous
People have been stating that the shooter had to have exceptional training. He didn’t need exceptional skills, the shot he took using the Google maps measure distance function is approximately 135 yards(not 200 yards as frequently mentioned).
Nonetheless, US Army recruits have to qualify at 300 yards during Basic training and USMC recruits at 500 yards and they do this with a different weapons platform(AR style). A bolt action rifle is generally recognized as the more accurate between the different platforms.
I have two grown sons (twins) now 30y/o, but even at 12 y/o, they could group 5 shots at 100 yards out of .270 bolt action Sako within 1.5″
And my older son(by 17 minutes) did serve 5 years in the USMC and qualified expert on both rifle and pistol.( qualifying on pistol isn’t SOP but he found himself in a unique situation that gave him that opportunity)
Accurate and true. I’m a USMC Vietnam Vet, went through the PLC-A program at Quantico between my junior and senior college years(I was a 12-weeker, i.e., did the course in one summer as opposed to split summers); anyway, when we went to the range, it was a really big deal, you did not want not to qualify with at least the Marksman’s badge, we qualified with the M-14(a wonderful weapon, I’ve always loved it, still have a civilian M1A for years); one position was prone at 500 yards; I qualified Sharpshooter, missed expert because of offhand position waggle, and I had handled firearms all my life, first time shooting was resting an old Winchester .22 single-shot on my older brother’s shoulder when I was about 5-6 years old, but I’m from NE Texas.
He’s from Utah I’m from Utah most young boys learn how to handle and use guns at a young age and it’s a hunting state and his dad was a lawman. So there you go.
Best to read comments prior to posting. Father NOT a ‘lawman’.
An afternoon of shooting with a scoped 30.06 and you can hit a paper plate at 200 yards every time. More than likely within the first 5-6 rounds.
re: “have not seen any info on is the history of firearms use”
Not looking very hard then; its been in the Daily Mail articles for instance. Showing him behind a .50 cal ‘ground-mounted’ big-bore rifle even.
I saw that too.
He handled firearms from the time be was quite young. He had been a hunter. There is a serious question about the placement of the scope on the Mauser 30.06 (the alleged murder weapon and a fairly common hunting rifle), but I don’t doubt that Robinson could have made the 200 yard shot, especially using a scope. Thousands of American hunters could have.
Keep reading. His co-workers have also weighed in his own pride in his long range shooting abilities . Along with just about everyone else also reporting he was very comfortable with hunting rifles as a little kid,, on wards. Came from living in Utah.
I have seen this this morning as a link through Liberty Daily.
But so far it’s the only one I have run across.
As Robinson ‘s father, with three sons, is in law enforcement, it might not be a stretch to think at some point he instructed him in the use of firearms. Surely such a thing would be easy enough to verify or debunk.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/kirk-murder-suspect-bragged-about-long-range-shooting-skills/
His father owns a construction company, but there are numerous pics of him shooting at a range
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Good point
An article stated that Tyler bragged to coworkers that he was a great shot at 450yrds….also, family pics of hx of gun range enjoyment….also at 14, Tyler was givena build your own rifle kit for Christmas.
From what I read, he was a pretty good shot
There was a picture of an adolescent Tyler behind a machine gun. Nothing more to offer other than many rural conservative and rural liberal families are well schooled in firearms. I know a family that is liberal leaning ,all the males are expert marksmen. It’s likely that Robinson has fired many more rounds than most of us.
Also, many gun people, here, here have noted that it was not a remarkable shot by any means.
SD,
I’m really sitting here with tears in my eyes. I started listening to your embedded links with fear… like here goes another of my (non-Jewish) online supports… crossing over to the ‘ Blame Israel, oops I mean Zionism, oops, actually Netanyahu. Ie: Candace… Robert Barnes… (who I still support), Cernovitch… and yet you DID NOT GO THERE.
I’m not Israeli, and I too have some confusion as to how long this Gaza War is taking… all these young soldiers… but DAMN if I don’t see it as clearly as I see the CRAZY left here is the US.
They want us dead. Us as Jews, us as Christians, us as a group believing that there is a God who differentiates between good and evil.
And here is a short video that is so perfect to expose the difference:
https://x.com/October7Attack/status/1967142461631066272
(From watching the news..not personal travel) The ugly architecture of most of the Gaza Strip apartments with high-density layouts, random rats-nest power lines running down back alleys, covered balconies, flat roofs mixed with unknown hidden tunnel entrances that link maybe 250 miles of tunnels of varying sophistication…with unknown locations of helpless and starved hostages… and then all the concrete and rebar rubble….and lack of uniforms on Hamas’s side making it impossible to tell young male Al-Qassam goon from civilian…..make it a crappy place to do battle. Goons can pop up behind IDF from secret hatches at random I imagine. It’s probably like Falluja on steroids. At least it is a relatively narrow piece of land and IDF cannot really attacked from the Sea of from the east border. I cannot imaging a crappier place to fight.
And all the tunnels underneath.
William mentioned that.
Yes, William the Comptroller, all that plus: every nation and their dog, telling Israel how, when, where and what to fight. Not to mention the 24/7 propaganda that is waged against Israel just for existing.
Your comments largely reflect my views. I was not worried about what Sundance’s conclusions would be because I do my own thinking and don’t have to line up with him or anyone else 100%.
Separate the frustration & criticism of Israel’s government with an attack on the people of Israel.
I criticize aspects of my own country night and day. I still love it! 😍 🦅
The subject of “trans” goes back decades.
Magnus Hirschfeld
Berlin 1920s
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/magnus-hirschfeld-2
Native Americans called these people “two-spirit” and they were actually elevated in their cultures and often became shamans – healers. Since I have seen that some are truly born this way I like that these people were embraced and I would assume that if they became twisted and dangerous they would have been expelled from the tribe. If there’s any history of the latter I am unaware but it likely would not have been spoken since the more powerful invaders were clearly against it. Perhaps these understandings live on in native language songs and stories?
What we are dealing with is mostly entirely contrived and designed for purpose.
My grandson was born that way. However, I have always wondered if the fact that my daughter got pregnant while taking birth control pills was a contributing factor. Perhaps extra estrogen during gestation may have altered the hormonal balance. I always thought that if a large enough study could be conducted, we could get a definitive answer. Just a thought.
I know two people born hermaphrodite. One in 1920s and one in 1950s. In both cases the baby was surgically altered to make it female. In both cases this adult female was unable to become a biological mother. Both were very high IQ. Just sharing bc I thought interesting to ponder “two spirit” Medicine person status – assuming those babies were allowed to keep both male and female sex organs u altered.
A therapist I know says she’s seeing too many suicidal young people who’ve already ruined themselves with hormonal poisons +/- surgeries.
Probably more suicides and near-fatal attempts than we’ll ever know.
Like lobotomy and intense electroshock therapy, this too shall pass.
ECT has definitely *not* ‘passed ‘- still applied by psychiatric charlatans… and the charlatans continue to damage people for profit though it’s not well publicized – the victims cannot report maybe
{ https://www.cchr.org/search/?q=ect }
AND
{ https://breggin.com/ECT-and-DBS-Resources-Center }
AND medical gaslighting in general – once you see it you can’t unsee it…
{ https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/a-primer-on-medical-gaslighting-e11?utm_source=publication-search }
The decadence of Germany was well known.
The movie Cabaret offers a look at jaded German society.
The decadence of the USA is well-known.
Yes at present. It is clearly visible. Evil is always lurking.
The US was a god fearing Christian country that honored and revered the nuclear family, father, mother and their children.
Godless depravity has taken over contemporary culture.
Schools absolutely should not be pushing this crap on children. There should be ZERO exposure to this nonsense.
The homos are advocating teaching this degenerate garbage in our schools. This too should have ZERO exposure. NO PRIDE.
Adults can indulge in whatever behavior they wish. Most laws against aberrant sexual behavior have been taken off the books.
Efforts to promote it in schools MUST be stopped. It is contrary to God’s laws. God’s law is one man one woman. It is an abomination for women to dress like men and vice versa.
I even go so far as to see it in hair styles and dress. A society functions best when the laws between sexes are clear and well defined and not blurred. Viva la difference.
I agree with all of the points Sundance makes here. There is almost certainly zero connection between Kirk’s murder and Israel.
But that aside, it is simply impossible to accurately analyze the American political scene without accounting for Israeli/Zionist influence. AIPAC is the most powerful lobby in the country, one which both parties bow down to. The government of the United States consistently behaves as if Israel is a far more important to it than Iowa.
This is not specifically a “Jewish” problem. A great many Jews are critical of Israeli policy, while the majority of fanatical Zionists are not themselves Jews. That’s a paradox which demands greater scrutiny.
The bottom line is are you a supporter of Israel or not?
AIPAC is an unregistered foreign lobby and that should be an affront to every self-respecting American Patriot and Orthodox Christian.
It’s deeply troubling to see how this organization successfully pressures our politicians—on both sides of the aisle—to prioritize the interests of a foreign nation over the well-being of the American people. Their influence ensures that billions of our tax dollars flow overseas annually, funding conflicts and policies that do not serve our national security or our values.
AIPAC gets its funding from American Jews who support Jewish existence. I suggest that you actually look to see how much funding the US gives Israel each year….approximately $3 billion, with the proviso that Israel use that money to purchase US made weapons.
It’s not an affront to me. And I’m not interested in anyone telling me it should be. What’s an affront is folks who are so obsessed with AIPAC that it’s placed at the top of the list of problems our country faces. How exactly would that be true? Apparently, President Trump doesn’t see it this way. He’s got way bigger fish to fry. While our arrangements with AIPAC may not be perfect, just the mention of the word Israel gets their anti-AIPAC teeth grinding. As if doing away with AIPAC would resolve all our major problems. What drives this self-righteous over-the-top anger and resentment? I think we know.
What drives it is the fact that Americans Jews are extremely left-wing in their political views. As long as you pretend that this is not the case I guess you can pretend that complaints about Jewish influence are all about “antisemitism” and not about a perfectly reasonable disagreement with their far left political views.
Believe it or not, it is possible for normal people to support the nation of Israel but not its government policy.
No, that is most emphatically NOT “the bottom line”. The bottom line is whether you are a supporter of America and Christianity or not. And in the case of both Jewish and non-Jewish Zionists, the answer is that they are not.
“There is almost certainly zero connection between Kirk’s murder and Israel.” how can you say this? Is there information you have that isn’t public? With Kirk giving younger decidedly anti Israel crowd a voice and forum wouldn’t Kirk be a target for Zionists?
Zionism solely means the right for Jews to have a homeland. Period. Perhaps the issue is that people decide Zionism means something else…???
The multitude of non-Jews who are obsessed with Jews having a homeland show less than zero concern with anybody else on Earth having a homeland. They even seem indifferent (or outright hostile) to the American people having their own homeland. So “Zionism” is far from being the innocent and innocuous belief system that you claim it is. It’s based on the belief that the world is divided into two groups of people … Jews, and everyone else.
“Perhaps the issue is that people decide Zionism means something else…???
Some connect Zionism to the end times, this is just fyi, I have no skin in the game!
How does Christian Zionism impact U.S. politics?Christian Zionism | History, Biblical Interpretations, America, England, & Evangelicalism | BritannicaChristian Zionism, theological and political Christian movement that supports the return of the Jewish Diaspora to a Jewish homeland in Palestine based on readings of biblical texts that consider that region a sacred land promised to the Jews by God. A major impetus behind the movement is the belief that the Jews’ return will lead to the Second Coming of Jesus. Christian Zionists also believe that by blessing and supporting Israel, considered both as the collective Jewish people and the modern state, they themselves will be blessed by God. Early Christian Zionists from the 16th through 19th centuries supported the return of the Jews to Palestine primarily for reasons of eschatology and gaining divine benediction. Since the formation of Israel as a Jewish state in 1948, American Evangelicals who subscribe to the movement have combined their theological convictions with strong political advocacy.”
The above does make a case for powerful donors with influence behind the scenes.
However! I totally agree with Sundance that this heinous act was committed by Robinson.
Does the US gov’t think Israel is important because of its geopolitical importance? Here is the conventional thinking:
“The Middle East holds a vital position in global affairs. Its vast oil and natural gas reserves make it a crucial player in the energy sector. Countries worldwide rely on its resources to meet their energy demands. The region’s strategic location connects major trade routes between Europe, Asia, and Africa.” https://historyandfact.com/why-is-the-middle-east-important/
This being the case, then isn’t it natural that the US gov’t would be concerned about what is happening in the middle east and our allies there?
What is supposed to be the relationship between the vast oil and natural gas reserves of the Middle East and Israel? To the extent our support of Israel interplays with those oil and gas reserves, it has the effect of placing us at odds with those oil and gas producing countries. We gain nothing and lose a lot geopolitically speaking from our stance on Israel.
Increasingly, we also lose a lot domestically. Younger Americans, conservatives as well as liberals, disapprove of our relationship with Israel. It was this which partly explained why Kirk was pushing back against the neocon consensus in DC. He saw himself as a representative for all those young conservatives.
You seem to be suggesting the US should align with Arab/Islamic countries for practical reasons (access to energy resources and important trade routes). Is that a good strategic option? That is the real question.
People are a gift from God.
People also have free will.
If Eve had not succumbed to Evils temptations ( like: Evil says to Eve: do not listen to God (do not eat fruit from the forbidden tree), God does not want you to eat from the forbidden tree (apple) because it would make you like God. God wants to be the only God. And Evil repeats the message to Eve… and repeats… )
People are still succumbing to Evils ( whatever shape or size, or imaginations ) temptations today…
imho
p.s.
There are also messages from God, Jesus, disciples etc….
We have free will….
(unless we allow Evils to take over)
That pre-assassination background info was completely new to me…thanks.
Regarding international reactions to Charlie’s assassination:
I just ran across this video on the Defense Politics Asia channel. This guy doesn’t strictly cover Asia only, and he posts frequent updates showing Russian advances on the Ukraine map. But today’s video was different. It was actually about Charlie Kirk and what he sees as some potentially positive fallout from it (he was saddened by Charlie’s death, in case you’re wondering).
Specifically, he approves of the cancel-culture steps that the Right is finally taking against the Left, after the Left has been running that game for years. The interesting thing he said that I never thought about before was how much the Left’s cancel culture affects even him, 12 hours away in Singapore. That was kind of an “oops, duh” moment for me, because of course it does.
The video is 28 minutes long, but here are a few excerpts for those that don’t have time to watch the whole thing (stutters and ums mostly edited out):
“…So, one of the consistent things that went across the entire of the American Right is that literally everybody says that the left does not know what the hell they have unleashed by assassinating Charlie…”
“…Clearly of course the Right being the ones with the guns have also known not to use them…”
“…What they have been doing is that they are getting people sacked…all these people that have been celebrating the assassination or the death of Charlie Kirk…”
“…Generally, the right wing has resisted cancel culture for many, many years, to the point where it pisses me off. Because me, a Singaporean halfway around the globe, literally on the other side of United States (I’m 12 hours away from the East Coast), and I’m affected by this cultural war situation in the United States. I cannot use Facebook and the old Twitter and express my own opinions. No, it has nothing to do with US politics, but my posts get censored and deleted. My pages get timed out, and it’s super irritating…”
“…This is ridiculous and the censorship just got worse and worse and worse…I have created a separate channel, and that channel also on YouTube was getting strikes…multiple videos have been taken down, just because I’m reporting things that Big Tech or the mainstream media don’t want you to know…”
“…It’s like there’s no freedom of speech from this freedom-of-speech country. It’s super irritating…”
“…And I think it’s because the Right in United States has always been too logical. They have always been too sensible and too nice, and now because of this Charlie thing, the assassination basically has triggered a lot of people…”
“…A lot of people have started posting and saying that they didn’t dare to post all this time and now they’re going to speak up because of the assassination…”
“…My feeling is that this cancel-culture civil war that has now been declared by the Right against the Left is, in my opinion, not going to end…
“…A lot of people say that you know this Charlie Kirk thing is going to die out…this news and this whole saga is going to die out in one to two weeks. I disagree. I have mentioned in my initial video regarding the assassination that Charlie is more than just any other influencer in the US political realm. He is way bigger and way more important. He’s not that far away in terms of impact for his assassination as an assassination of Trump…”[eh, I disagree, but whatever]
“…But Charlie, he’s not political, he’s not exactly political. He’s more Christian, more religious than political, if you ask me. He viewed everything from a Christian point of view…”
“…So, the Right is now playing the Left’s cancel game, and I think that they’re going to go all in. They’re going to go all out, and this thing is not going to die out in two weeks. It’s going to continue. Remember, Bud Light didn’t get off in two weeks. The boycott on Bud Light went on for months and months. And it’s just culturally a different kind of thing… the Right knows…they don’t forget…they are very principled people…”
“…You have Trump, the MAGA movement, taking over the White House and the government. They are implementing changes from the top down in terms of policies and systems. And then you have on the ground, because of the assassination of Charlie, more activation and activism on the Right. So, I think the United States will go through a lot of change, and that’s what I believe will continue…”
“…I know a lot of people who don’t buy America and I understand, because DPA is a very international platform. We have a lot of people from all around the world. The United States has not been a good actor around the world. They have caused a lot of death and destruction and suffering, and a lot of people rightfully can hate on the United States. But whatever is happening in the United States still affects the whole world. And I would say if you have all these Christian principles or ideology running the United States…I would say because of their religious mindset I think it will be better for the rest of the world …”
“…Something that I found very jarring is that when I was young, when I was entering adulthood, I learned that being adult means that you have to take responsibility for what you say and what you do. And that another reality is that nobody gives a damn about how you feel. That means you have to suck it up. If you have it tough, you go to work, it’s difficult, you suck it up. You have to continue to move forward. Someone says something that hurts you, what can you do about it, man? There’s nothing you can do about it. Suck it up. Move forward. Just don’t be friends with them. Or there’s a lot of bad feedback about you, you have to take it in and analyze. Is there something wrong with yourself? And then try to make improvements. That’s the adulthood that I learned…”
“…It seems like a lot of this is gone because of this virtual signaling. Virtual signaling wasn’t a thing 20 years ago when I was still very young. It wasn’t a culture. And this emotions/feelings are so important thingy wasn’t a thing…”
[He talks for a while about the disregard of individual responsibility, how feelings are more important than substance, and that negative feelings and comments aren’t always evil (e.g., the person encouraging you to lose weight might be someone who cares about your health, not just a fat shamer)]
“…So, they care more about the feelings than the reality of other people, while they totally ignore their own responsibility for their own life. And this is reflected often in the way look…They tend to have terrible haircuts. They tend to color their hair in ridiculous colors. They tend to let themselves go and they look terrible…they dress badly or they’re out of shape…”
“…And, of course, I’m not talking about the whole Left wing. I’m talking about the woke people, the really woke people, that become memes. Every time there’s a Karen, or there’s a woke saga, the image of that person he/she has blue hair…he/she has piercings, is trans, or whatever. A total disregard for their own image. The total disregard for how society will look at them. They don’t care. They just don’t care at all for well-being, because feelings matter more…”
“…This applies overseas as well. In Europe we have the same problem…They care more about the feelings of the illegal immigrants than the actual reality that there is an increase in crime…We need to do something about the crime and need to help these immigrants, be it illegal or legal, to try to fit in and try to understand the culture and really become part of the society properly. But they don’t care, because they only care about the feelings…”
[He goes on to talk at length about the Palestinian and Ukraine realities, Hamas, Israel, the hypocrisies, and how people are dying because they’re letting feelings matter more than reality]
“…People stop wanting to take responsibility for their own actions and words. And yeah, I think nowadays it’s just too much of this. Even Donald Trump sometimes, he just says too much, and the things that he says are inappropriate, as well…”
“…I always advise people that on the Internet, behave like you behave in real life. Some people think that they are anonymous and they can behave in a totally different way. That is different from their real life. I can tell you I am the same in text and in real life, exactly the same. I’m the same person you chat with in the comments on YouTube, on Telegram, on Twitter, in real life. I’m the same person, because that’s a principle. Once you move away from that, you’ll live a false life and a false reality, and then you will start make bad decisions. And it will start to destroy you and eat at your core, eat at your soul…”
That’s Wyatt, recommended by a brother of mine who lives part of the year in Singapore.
His coverage of Ukraine is balanced, his commentary on African geopolitics is interesting.
Wyatt’s terrific, check out his take on a number of topics.
Definitely. I just found him recently, and I definitely plan to do some back-catalog viewing. Your brother gives good recommendations!
The scum frequenting the dark web chatrooms the assassin frequented all knew what was coming and they weren’t afraid to discuss it before or to celebrate after. Despite all that has come out the moron Utah governor Cox keeps insisting Robinson acted alone. He thinks we are idiots. What is he covering up by pushing this lie?
Contrast Cox’s lone-wolf prattle with Tony Seruga’s preliminary GPS-based observation that the co-conspirators may be a great many. Israel right now is its own issue; the Kirk shooting is showing signs of a “trans” issue and a link to the Minneapolis Catholic church shooting would hardly be surprising.
Please publish a link to Tony Seruga’s analysis.
I read Seruga on Twitter. He has a lot to say about Gov Cox being a sheep in wolf’s clothing and a Trump hater.
There is a post where he mentions investigation into others connected, but not a lot of detail….
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Tony Seruga
@TonySeruga
I have been told this morning by an FBI analyst reviewing the reams of GPS data, there very well may be dozens of co-conspirators.
Cont…
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1967206490055573881.html
It’s not even the dark web we’re talking about here. It’s Reddit and Steam and Discord. All mainstream, public sites.
That our kids are using daily.
All should cast a wider information net regarding Gaza and Hamas. Israel is dealing with something never discussed even though it has been in plain sight for 70yrs. Tribal warfare is based on sociopathy, them vs us. Hamas leadership and leadership prior were and is psychopathic. They see human beings as pawns, sacrificial lambs, with which to achieve a “greater good”. Hitler, Stalin, Mao and etc were psychopaths. To have psychopathic leadership for 70yrs in a single territory develops a culture adjusted to it over nearly 4 generations. This is what Israel has to contend with. There is only one solution. Move the people off the land, eliminate the Hamas threat and secure the entire territory. Install an Israeli governance structure. This moves the entire culture to refugee camps from which Israel can let people filter back in over time after they are vetted for radical backgrounds under the new governance. It is the only solution to an issue that has been used as a political football for 70yrs by those seeking power by using the destruction of Israel as their main thrust. The West and Arab nations have let this issue fester for too long. Israel has shown itself to be relatively good governance. Let them do it.
100% agree. War between two nations, is not the same as war with a citizenry of psychopaths. Remove them from the land; stop the cycle, and begin to instill in these people that they’ve been lied to and used, but now, they can have a better life.
There are no other choices.
And what about the hostages. They need to be rescued!
Getting rid of the influence of UN groups like UNRWA would really help. They have been pushing poisonous propaganda to the Palestinians for decades.
I believe what sundance says here is the truth.
The concise framing of this was very helpful to sort through all the different narratives being presented on social media.
Thank you
The subject of “trans” goes back decades.
Magnus Hirschfeld
Berlin 1920s
Men pretending to be women is an old and very ancient thing that happened, soliciting s e x at temples, even. Nothing new under the sun.
That is true, but they were NOT pumped full of drugs to facilitate their transition which I think is happening and I also think is playing with fire. Look what Big Pharma just passed off as a “vaccine”….killing and maiming MANY!!!! And who knows what the future holds for the health of those not yet showing symptoms of damage!!!!
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“Pretending” being the key word. They weren’t told that they were normal and for whatever concocted reason, actually “women”.
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Sundance you describe Israel as having motive and then immediately dismiss them. Cmon that smells fishy. Also kids don’t randomly learn to setup rifles on rooftops and shoot like that on a whim. Not saying who is responsible but too early to rule anyone out. Suspects are suspects until otherwise.
Politics is always about influence
TPUSA is a significant force of influence with Kirk formerly as the focal point of that influence.
With all the anti Israeli action on a lot of college campuses, it is quite understandable that Israel both state and blood would want some counter influence on campuses aka TPUSA.
I think Sundance is just pointing out that it was going on behind the scenes and Kirk to his credit did not let dollar signs alter his opinions or agenda.
All the click baiters of the world including the anti Israeli factions would LOVE to pin that tail on the Netanyahu Donkey.
This article is a reminder not to buy the baloney.
Robinson apparently had shooting skills long before he was radicalized. It was better than average shooting, but not Carlos Hathcock level shooting.
Better than average? I suspect that if someone that had never shot a bolt action rifle, were given 15 minutes of training and 10 to 15 rounds thru the rifle could qualify as “better than average”.
The shooter was and EXPERT.
According to the FBI, he broke the rifle down before getting on the roof, reassembled in 2 minutes, fixed the precision problem caused by replacing the bore, took the shot, disassembled the rifle in 5 seconds, ran to the forest and then reassembled the rifle.
“Also kids don’t randomly learn to setup rifles on rooftops and shoot like that on a whim…”
Have you observed the first-person-shooter games they play? Digital replicas of the virtually every weapon of note that is designed to digitally react as close to real life as possible- recoil, number of rounds, types of ammo, bullet trajectory at specific distances, etc. Many of these gamers are familiar with a great number of weapons they’ve never physically touched.
I made a 100 yard shot from a deer stand while standing (shooting without a rest) and hit the buck in the very center of the neck. Shooting from a prone position (laying flat on the roof) is comparably easy.
If your rifle is sighted in for 200 yards, it is little more than putting the crosshairs on a target. There is an adjustment for elevation difference, but that is not hard to look up on internet to know how many inches to correct for to hit where you intend. He was off by inches high (if aiming at Charlie’s chest) or low (if aiming at his head) and ended up hitting Charlie in the neck.
If there had been a strong(er) crosswind, his shot would have missed altogether; sadly there wasn’t a strong enough wind.
I could train any of you to be accurate to 200 yards in less than an hour if you were teachable. The shooter grew up around guns.
I believe he was the shooter and there wasn’t a pro; had it been a pro, he would have been hit in the head.
I do believe that others may have been involved or at least aware that he was going to shoot at Charlie. On line discussions should be traceable by law enforcement and certainly by NSA.
Was his personal relationship the only motivation or did other(s) nudge him to shoot Charlie?
Did a ‘professional nudger’ groom him over weeks and months to the point where all he or she had to do was give the shooter one last bit of encouragement? Do TPTB have people like the shooter in all 50 states ready to be nudged? Have they tried nudging previously, but their subject didn’t have the ability to do it or had enough morals not to do it?
Where did he get the rifle (I missed where he purchased it or who he received it from)?
The investigation should include any and all contacts he had in the last year (online, in person, via phone).
It is possible he did this all by himself, but it is equally likely he was nudged into thinking it was his own idea. Every input he received from MSM, people online, his roommate, every contact had some impact (positive or negative) that brought him to that point (including possibly demonic influence).
In the end, he got on a roof that should have been secured. He laid down in the prone position and made a shot that I could have most of you making with an hour (or two) of training.
The result was tragic.
We are better than the left because most of us are Christians or have other strong spiritual beliefs and morals and would not do such a heinous act to a person who held open dialogues. We would not do this to a popular leftist who held dialogues with students on campuses.
I have prayed for Charlie’s widow, Erika, his children, his parents and all who knew him (including all of us).
May God ease our pain and strengthen our faith and help each of us to bring the light of Christ to ALL PEOPLE we encounter (in person and online).
Never considered Israel of being behind the shooting. Betting on this guy being somehow a part of antifa/blm/and any trans movement. That is considered because of the questions asked. With these groups we’ll never know as its obvious they are enabled by fbi.
My prediction prior to his capture was Antifa, transgender, or deep state. Did I call it, or what?
Yes we did.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/bombshell-charlie-kirk-assassin-was-steam-group-read/
Dr Ron Paul exposed the Hegelian Dialectic on Hamas/Israel over 15 years ago. Its a similar HD playbook used for the creation of Al-Qaeda and the 7 nations in 5 years plans. This was after the NATO Nazi wars to assist WWII Nazi’s against the Jewish peoples fellow Holocaust camp inmates and long time friends, the Serbs.
If they could what they did to the Serbian people, they could do the same to any innocent group around the world and that includes Israel & the Jewish people.
Agree!
Yes, Hegelian Dialect on full display!
I don’t believe this has ever been posted here before🤔
It is definitely a must watch. I watched last night.
This is what Looney Loomer was having such
an Epic gutter mouth meltdown about that
last day at Turning Point.🫠
This is also what Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro were
having conversations about. And their conversation
was NOT nice. 🤬🤬
Listen to the applause in the audience of the young people!
Dave Smith came prepared. He had..facts!
And, as I have stated many times….the young people know
what is happening. COVID hoax made them smart—early.
Why I think the younger generation…and many more…are
mixing the two…they see what is happening.
Turning Point was/is …..America First! Christians and Jesus! ✝️
I know many of the younger generation who feel they are
being gaslighted. Good for them! 👍👏👏
Charlie was about having a conversation – and seeing the pushback
he was getting was from pro- Israel folks…has not gone over well with many.
They know about the campaign against Candace and Tucker, and who
was behind it.🤷♀️
Check the number of views on YouTube of Candace tribute to Charlie 💔
Over 5 million views just on that platform, last time I checked.
And Ben Shapiro wants to “pick up the torch” ? 🤦♀️
Again, Charlie was about having a conversation.
Warning….Josh Hammer has the same voice as Ben Shapiro 🥴😖😖😵💫
Charlie Kirk…You Tube
FULL Josh Hammer VS Dave Smith Debate on Israel – YouTube
I struggle a lot with the tension between support Israel as a nation and being wary of their influence on the US. I’m pretty convinced at this point that Epstein was a Mossad operative whose sole purpose was to entangle and compromise powerful figures in the US. This was done to give Israel leverage in the event of an American administration that did not back their interests. From Israel’s standpoint, I completely understand this. But as an American it infuriates me.
Regarding the rest of it? I couldn’t care less if Israel left nothing alive in Gaza after October 7, not even the roaches. A nation that small, that vulnerable cannot abide a contingent within its borders committed to the extinction of the Jews. It is a national survival level issue.
As a branch, grafted through Christ, to the tree of Abraham, I have a deep affection for the land and the people of Israel. But then I follow corruption in our government and I’m reminded of just how many secular -steins and -bergs there are behind the curtain of the deep state and the anti-American left.
Israel & the Jewish flock have many Shepard’s who are criminal and evil and are not looking out for the Spiritual or Earthly welfare of them. No finer example than Chuck Schumer.
Think about this quote and their false leadership
“A Rough Guide To Hell” Look it up and scrutinize it. You will see many things. Be well my friend
Thank you Sundance. A clear and concise explanation that makes sense.
A very thoughtful and measured post by Sundance as we all expect. Constant pressure is placed on Right-wing influencers by their handlers and/or financial backers to stay within certain guidelines in public discourse. They are more or less managed, much like elected officials. Some stray from the reservation, most do not.
Charlie Kirk was a free thinker who came with deep convictions but also had a pulse on the younger generations. What would make Charlie a target was his national profile and personal connections, that in case of running for office, would allow him to be a political maverick much like Donald Trump who couldn’t be bought off or blackmailed. That would make him a wild card if he had ever run for national office.
One thing does not change. The FBI is responsibe for the security of all Americans. There job is not catching criminals; they exist to make sure criminals do not succede in the first place.
” … responsible for the security…”
All of us are responsible.
There is strength in numbers.
[ sometimes its easy, sometimes its very challenging ]
p.s.
there were 11,000 tips – people trying to help through a common communication, point source, to help to ascertain a solution to a problem(s). That likely is still ongoing…
p.s.
An analogy about security
A bank has a ‘safe‘. It is ‘secure’.
It is a pretty tough vault that has very, very difficult access. – unless one has permission to enter.
[ well, ummm also … banks do get robbed – without permission.
And Many robbers try to get away… some do. ]
Yes, the bank has a secure ‘safe’ and that is good.
[ if man made it, then man can break it ]
After 2000 years,
there is something that persons can not replicate: … think about it …
the
shroud of turin
(the cloth that covered Jesus in the tomb)
video interview about the shroud:
Once again, another Excellent post.
The Truth has no agenda!
I really don’t care for this “you can’t criticize israel” sentiment, likely soon to become cofified into law here in the States. It’s an affront to free speech. The violence is what needs to be addressed. Protesting is one thing. Violence is much different.
President Trump would never make that a law.
The White House
President Trump’s Top 100 Victories for People of Faith
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/09/president-trumps-top-100-victories-for-people-of-faith/
Do you read here?
Most people analyze issues from their own perspective. Viewing Israel/Mossad/secular leftist Jews as an international omnipotent boogyman unfortunately is something that a not-inconsiderable amount of people do. So it’s understandable they’re blaming that for Charlie Kirk’s death.
What most people aren’t so familiar with is the despicable, extremist, militant transgender culture that flourishes in the dark corners of the Internet. But it looks like that’s about to get dragged out into the light, because that is the more likely cause of all of this.
I have been thinking about this 🤔
Even if the internet was shut down…
Do you Really believe that would solve anything?
I just came back from walk. People still do talk and
interact with each other.
I saw groups of young people who were picking up
trash in the park after an event last night.
They were talking to each other.🤷♀️
Especially during the 60’s and what some call
the Days of Lead…starting with the assassination
of JFK and other people…then the riots….
Internet did Not exist.
And our Country went through some horrible events.
A quick feel good… maybe this will fix it solution?
A culture shift is necessary. Find the causes and it is
just not the internet…or College indoctrination.
I just watched the documentary on John Knox. George Wishart’s execution really galvanized and united the Scots Reformers.
I have some bad news for you … the secular leftist Jews are the driving force behind transgender culture.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire-family-pushing-synthetic-sex-identities-ssi-pritzkers
I’m looking at this from as far away as I can get to put things in clarity for myself.
I was very disturbed by Charlie’s murder, great man, moved mountains, killed giants, removed evil influences, his loss should be a seed sown not a step back.
Israel is ancient, don’t ever forget that which brings into thousands of years of history and experience. Muslims are ancient, even Catholics are older than america and its government. It means more than we can understand, like Israel has been in wars for thousands of years. They know stuff! They have intel, upgrades, and ways to manipulate we can’t know, we don’t have the experience, or history.
Then let’s add this, they do not recognize Jesus as the messiah, they killed him ‘on purpose’ for power. They murdered an innocent, perfect man, to keep power that God offered them. They have been near extermination many times and according to the manual, by Gods hand. Well, allowed which all is under Gods control, every single thing. Including Charlie’s murder.
We can fantasize about greatness we hold, but you must keep in mind Israel in all issues. And make no mistake, they are just as fanatical as Muslims, wait and see. There will be a time, and they recently stated this, when nobody will stand in there way to dominate.
America is useful, to a point. We have guns, bullets, blood, we are not Jewish. Big point!
I do not hate Jews, I do not hate Muslims, or Catholics, but to discount their history is like assuming all animals are friendly.
This is a time of truth and unveiling, even Israel will be seen clearer. They believe and are, the chosen people of God. Now, in perspective, they are the only true children of the most high God and their religion killed Jesus because he disrupted their power.
You have to be pretty damn blind to kill the son of God knowing he is the messiah just to keep your seat at the table, in this world. And maybe I’m ignorant in believing Jesus is the only way to heaven?
Just one more thing.
We are fallen in nature our choices are not as God would have, hence the Holy Spirit. To think correctly, you would say “I’m a child of God blessed and can do wonderful things for us all.” But, if you look at privilege in our own hierarchical ways, you would think you can get away with anything, and still be relevant. Is that what we see? History says yes!
I am not against Israel, God is my refuge not man, I’m just trying to see what really lies beneath things like Charlie’s murder. Propaganda is a very useful tool as well as programming, and many more techniques. Myself? I’d like to see Palestinians removed from all society but then again, even Americans, Mexicans, Swedes, etc. they can all be taught to hate.
Jesus came to earth on a mission, and that mission would have FAILED had He not died on that day, in that way. Jesus came to give up His life in order for OUR sins to be wiped away if only we believe in, accept Him, and follow Him. Why are so many people ignorant of this? Jesus came to give up His life for OURS.
Jesus was a Jew.
So He was as fanatical as the “THEY” and “Them” you’re lumping together?
“Even Catholics are older than America.”
Strange comment.
America the two continents are nearly as old as the earth. U.S.A. Is of course only 249 years old.
Catholicism, the original Christian religion, is 1993 years old.
The word ‘catholic’ did not occur until 107 A.D.
The term catholic was derived from Greek language and was used to describe the Church as a single, visible communion encompassing all Christians.
[ while also understanding that Jesus reached out to, and listened to, all people ]
And yes,
we know that Peter, the rock, a disciple of Jesus, was named the first Pope.
(but, he had passed, before the word ‘catholic’ was derived)
Great post, Palerider.
To SD,
Wow!!!
That is fabulous insights that are very easily unnoticeable
and
thanks for sharing that others confused perspectives (Jesus was a Jew AND a christian – and both groups believe in God),
maybe totally disconnected
to
a different confused perspective (about morality)
of those (propagandized, duped) people
that freely miss lead others toward immoral choices that, if one is a lost, naive’ or an uncertain person,
could lead, by lost peers, to confusion and then miss acts of rebellion and /or hatred.
( and yet,
the confused could with God given free will to, somehow gain more moral clarity and perhaps a ‘turning point’ a pivot point, in life’s journey,
and make a new healthier choice that helps others towards moral choices
– and Charlie and many, others calmly, patiently, lovingly, try to optionally reach within, and share that other free will, free choice option
with people that are willing to hear…)
Saul – a persecutor of believers in Jesus faith,
became St. Paul a supporter of believers in Jesus faith.
[Luke upon learning from Peter and Paul, wrote about it, in the book of Acts – for us to learn….]
People that showed up on campus events,
had some free will inclination to be heard,
AND to want to listen and maybe learn (some truth).
For God so loved the world,
that he gave (an action by God, ‘he gave’)
his only begotten son
that whosoever believeth ( per Gods free will for mankind, that would be a free choice by each person …who so ever chooses to believe …not ‘have to’ believe, not forced, not coerced, not propagandized etc.)
in Him
should not perish, but have everlasting life. (as such, spiritual everlasting life is in part determined by one’s, free will, choices while engaged, or not, on a wide range of different individual, or group, faith life journey(s) in this world)
-John 3:16
SD,
thank you for part 1, of the understandings that are there for people to learn (and not conflate, miss merge)
Us,
sharing your insights could be a volunteer task for people to carry forward to others.
May the Lord be with you.
Curious what real evidence you have of these statements you make: An unstable ideological leftist named Tyler Robinson, who was living with his transgender boyfriend Lance Twiggs, killed Charlie Kirk because they hated him.
Tyler Robinson hated the purity of Christian values that Charlie Kirk represented. Every day that Charlie Kirk spoke to their peers and dismantled the lies, was another day Tyler and Lance felt threatened by the return of a moral society that was the foundation of Kirk’s advocacy.
I disagree. Netanyahu sticking his nose in what is essentially an entirely domestic issue is telling.
Netanyahu can’t wait for the democrats to take power again. Recall he was the first to call Biden and congratulate him on his ability to steal the election in 2020
Netanyahu would love to see Ben Shapiro heading TPUSA.
Yes, and the SCARY thing is Shapiro says he is going to pick up the Kirk mantel and move it forward.
Not to be too psycho about this is how is a Jew going to pick up the mantle of a Christian?
As I’ve said here many times, PDJT and his enormous support for Israel & the Jewish people, and how the “supposed” Israel & Jewish supporters & leaders like Schumer,& Bibi himself treated PDJT exposed them as frauds. PDJT has said Schumer is a Palestinian and is no longer Jewish. That statement deserves more scrutiny from those trying to honestly figure this whole thing out. Bibi was amongst the first political leaders to congratulate Hamas supporting Biden Admin when they stole the 2020 election while Orthodox Christian Russia’s Putin the last. Those actions are reflection of the truth.
Bibis’ quick congratulation of Biden is precisely because of the Biden support of Hamas. I guess you forgot the vindictive attitude of the Obama and Biden Co. towards anyone viewed as a political enemy.
How would the Hamas supporting Biden regime treat Israel if Bibi didn’t fall in line quickly?
Other people also gave their condolences – and more will do so.
That is o.k.
p.s.
the ones not being responsible with their freedom of expression, via celebrating a public murder… ummm…
there could be a problem for them especially if the person is in a paid public position, or job, of (miss) influencing naive’ minds.
[ some have been suspended…pending further review – hopefully by more wise adults … ]
imho
Thank you for this article. I was amazed that almost immediately there were factions on the internet indicating that
‘Israel killed Charlie Kirk’. Of course, we also read ‘Israel destroyed the World Trade Center’ and I have even seen ‘Israel killed JFK’. Whenever any issue occurs, it appears that the immediate response is ‘was the perpetrator Jewish?’ (Such as ‘Was Tyler Robinson Jewish??). The internet continues to conflate ‘globalism’ with ‘Zionism’…..and the issue of hatred of Jews and the unrelenting effort to blame every negative occurrence in our history upon them is ignorant and appalling.
I have a weird question: Where are liberal/leftists getting the idea that the shooter held “conservative/right wing” views? I even saw the assassination referred to as a “MAGA on MAGA” crime. Where in the world is this coming from? Where do these people get their news? Is this being spread by gay/trans sites? What’s going on with this?
The liberal/leftists don’t need proof to make such statements. It furthers their agenda of MAGA destruction and so it is a constant usage for them to condemn. The msm also feeds the lame brains with such notions. Its a propaganda method of the narxist movement.
Watch the videos closely that Sundance posted.
Charlie was starting to get a lot of threats and
hate from the Pro- Israel folks.
Who are most of those pro-Israel folks..MAGA.
And Charlie was definitely America First-MAGA.
I can see where they are drawing that conclusion from.
Don’t agree with their conclusions..but see why/ how.
Somehow, I hope this suggestion reaches PRESIDENT TRUMP:
The future “CHARLIE KIRK BALLROOM”???
[President Trump was meeting with architects about plans for a White House ballroom when staff interrupted to inform him that Charlie Kirk, the prominent conservative activist, had been killed.“I didn’t know what they meant. I said, ‘What do you mean, dead?’” Trump recounted Friday, two days after the shooting. “‘Charlie Kirk was shot.’ They thought he was dead because it was so horrific.”]
See more:
https://thehill.com/homenews/5501517-charlie-kirk-trump-white-house/
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Charlie Kirk was the closest we’ve come to a MLK in this country since MLK. A national holiday should be created in his honor, streets and schools in cities around the nation should be named after him. EVERYWHERE MLK’s legacy is honored with his name should now have Charlie Kirk’s legacy named along with MLK.
Won’t be easy. Will meet resistance. As did MLK’s legacy naming. But supporters pushed through. And today MLK’s legacy is everywhere around us. Same will be for Kirk’s legacy. Let’s do this America!
@AdRem…
Seems like the links to most of the embedded videos (in all SD’s posts over the last month or more) are broken and displaying the graphic of the dead bird.
Is this something that anyone else is seeing?
Thanks for any insights.
Thank you, Sundance & Crew.
Funny how intel agencies are able to infiltrate and set up the likes of oathkeeprs and proud boys but when it comes to artifa and these lefties it’s hands off. I don’t know if this was a single person or group but call me skeptical. I’ll wait to see. There’s no doubt these groups if people are useful idiots being used.
However the online skepticism of Bibi and the establishment overall really are the fruits of having been lied to for decades. We still don’t know exactly how much Mossad and global intel influence had n the Epstein matter.
Iv e seen enough not to trust any narrative on the spot when it’s put out there. I’ll remain skeptical at this point
I go to enough different websites to get a balance to anything I read. Something that stands out is the automatic visceral hatred for Jews. There are so many that blame them for everything and would not mind seeing them gone. Someone is blaming them for anything that goes on. When that someone blames them, hundreds pile on. It is nothing like any other group faces.
Genocide is always right around the corner for them. Most of the people cheering to Free Palestine are planning to kill every Jew. This is one of the few issues that a shade of grey means kill the Jews.
I am an old manufacturing guy. Equipment either ran and produced good merchandise or it did not. There really was no shade of grey. Only you talkers can split the baby and think it survives.
To think we are going to get the truth on this. Well it will be the first time in a long time. From what Sundance says already the Deep State is focused on getting Kash. So immediately I think the Deep State is involved. The folks that do not want a crisis to go to waste, do not have Truth as a goal.
Unfortunately, Ka$h responded poorly to being manipulated by the FBI. He sent out a random internal email yelling at them to stop. A good leader would get revenge. Blondi has also been very quiet.
An unstable ideological leftist named Tyler Robinson, who was living with his transgender boyfriend Lance Twiggs, killed Charlie Kirk because they hated him.
Tyler Robinson hated the purity of Christian values that Charlie Kirk represented. Every day that Charlie Kirk spoke to their peers and dismantled the lies, was another day Tyler and Lance felt threatened by the return of a moral society that was the foundation of Kirk’s advocacy.
Setting Israel completely to the side – while your statements are more likely true than not Sundance, that hatred didn’t fester and grow in a vacuum – it was constantly fed and directed by people who are overflowing with the same hatred and darkness. We can’t ever forget that or stop working to bring it to the surface and identifying it.
Da Joos are the witches of this century. No matter what happens, its (((them))).
A convenient distraction for whoever is in power or wants to gain power to point the finger at.
Bibi opens his mouth too early? – must be trying to hide his guilt.
Bib waits too long? aha! because hes guilty.
Its Monty Python and the witch judgement scene
Thank you, Sundance!
Don’t rule out more Arkancide, since his assassination came very shortly after polling showng Gen Z voters were split between Dmoecrata and Republicans. Democrats could not stand losing a single voter, from their prior secure voting bases. They thought they owned the “youth vote”. This new Gen Z polling must have rattled them to their core.
And Charlie was a chief spokesman for the growing conservative trend among Gen Z voters. Add Charlie Kirk’s murder to the Seth Rich file ..unsolved motivation Democrat mysteries along with the rest of the high curious Arkancide snuffs.
Secular Jews fund the radical left but we aren’t supposed to make that connection with the radicalization of the youth? Particularly the one who pulled the trigger?
Its only Secular Jews who fund the left?
Thats it? they have all this influence and power just by being formerly jewish?
Is it jews all the way down? is maybe the entire left wing jewsih? almost half the country??
A very reasoned, calm, and wise summary of the actions of those interacting with Mr Kirk.
CTH makes it clear, that Kirk was a supporter of Israel’s right to exist.
Kirk was NOT an anti-semite.
I hope people are paying attention to the money lenders because after Trump leaves all the money is going to go to a candidate that is controllable.
The lenders will buy their next puppet.
There will be no MAGA candidate in 2028 unless Trump bankrolls the person himself.
Unfortunately, in my opinion, with President Trump goes MAGA.
From Elon Musk:
Elon Musk, says – “The truth is so awful that they murder to keep the lie.”
This is true – they hate hearing anything but their their brainwashed cult level ideations deceptions, that they call the truth ‘violence’. Elon Musk knows what he is talking about – his son had his identity stolen when he was indoctrinated by leftist gender groomers, that he changed his name and adopted the transgender lifestyle.
A deeply indoctrinated person can go so far into their acquired identity ideations are mental strongholds that must be protected ‘by any means necessary’.
These beliefs are so strong that they are almost impermeable to truth and reality.
They feel so intensely threatened by any opposing idea, that they feel justified to kill, rather than actual reality and truth.
These beliefs are like those of an Anorexic, who believes they are fat, even when they are severely underweight; their bones are clearly visible, and there is no fat or muscle mass left on their bodies.
This level of deception is deadly.
The identity beliefs and cravings of many sexual deviants are so strong that many cannot cease from promiscuous and high risk, dangerous activities that expose them to HIV, monkey pox, anal injuries, syphilis, gonorrhea and other diseases.
They crave gratification so much that they engage in casual relationships with strangers and prostitutes, that makes them vulnerable to robbery, assault and murder. Police statistics prove all this.
They use devices take drugs, wear costumes, masks, to augment their need for more and more stimulation.
They also have an intense desire to groom and recruit children into their lifestyles, orientations and engage in the trafficking of other humans – children and teens.
The worst end of their spectrum is the violent porn that ends in the hunting, t-rture and death of the victims.
Ironically, Elon Musk’s X is a source of trafficking and enables predatory behavior. There are far uglier and darker websites than X and Elon, with his and his friends’ genius computer skills could help stop the predatory evil doers.
Thank you Elon.
We know that none of us are perfect.
Elon writes:
“The truth is so awful that they murder to keep the lie.”
Sometimes you think things through so well,
that it is amazing.
Also amazing is that King Solomon wrote the book of ‘Proverbs’
Succinct, yet very meaningful, words.
That is a God given gift.
imho
A few song writers have lyrics that are VERY thoughtful, and combined with music,
the message can really, really resonate to listeners. : )
[ a lot of song writers, most, lack that gift. imho]
p.s.
yet, while being (imperfect) human, at times, there are also some less than fabulous notions – which can become a teachable moment (or not).
Love thy neighbors…
Do not allow yourself to be drawn into the dark imaginings of those who have an ulterior agenda.
Thank you so much Sundance. Clarity is definitely needed in all of this. People are being pushed toward blindness in their outrage.
Still praying for your safety too.
Israel had nothing to do with this because they can do simple risk/ reward analysis. Not much to gain in killing Charlie but if found out then it would mean the end of US support for Israel
Interestingly, this article includes a video of Charlie claiming that secular Jewish donors were the primary financial supporters of open borders, neo liberalism, and quasi-marxist groups here in the U.S. If true, then they ARE, technically, responsible for Charlie’s death even if they personally had no involvement in the actual assassination. They funded the very groups that espoused the ideology expressed by the person who they believe did the shooting.
I thought Netanyahu went a bit overboard on his “tipping his hat” to Charlie tour -after the fact. I think if he went on one show, and then put out a statement — it would have been fine.
I listened to Charlie’s concerns about some of Israel’s actions. He was conflicted and thoughtful with his remarks. He expressed thoughts regarding possible repercussions around his opposite perspective from what he once held.
Agreed. He was trying to hard to convince us they weren’t involved. Very odd.
Let me guess, if he didn’t deny it, his silence would speak volumes..