Folks, I know this is not a popular opinion, but I have always promised to call them exactly as the data aligns and as I see them unfolding.
Taking a position in support of Tommy Robinson, taking a strong position against Muslim rape gangs in the U.K., and taking a position in favor of Nigel Farage are not controversial positions in the world of MAGA. In fact, they are popular positions widely held by all of us. However, those positions have little bearing on OUR set of challenges in the USA.
[READ THIS]
For almost two years, there has been a background conversation with a handful of people watching the Silicon Valley network closely and monitoring every move and position they take. They hold an entirely divergent set of motives that are not aligned with Making America Great Again behind this crew.
I’m simply saying for everyone to keep their eyes wide open, review THAT ARTICLE I just linked above and put it in the context of the issues and discussions we have had on these pages. Remember, there are literally trillions at stake, and we have been duped too many times. The issues and the stakes in our nation are just too important.
The concern we have is about the “surveillance state” and the creations of the Silicon Valley tech bros that are building out tools that can easily be weaponized as the contracts with the U.S government are fulfilled. President Trump will not weaponize them, but the existing tools and the DHS track and trace enhancements being built by the tech team are threats to liberty.
Real ID connected to facial recognition, connected to personage, a digital identity and/or a track and trace capability is ultimately an assembled tech tool for control. Politically Exposed Persons are the most vulnerable.
Those who follow the deepest weeds of their constructs know that billionaire Elon Musk’s ability to have a public influence platform would not exist without the full support of billionaire Larry Ellison. They are absolute partners, mentor and protegee. The part that people are having a hard time accepting is the end goal, the motive behind that Ellison support.
My opinion is today the same as it was when the situation first started to surface. Think of how the Sea Island group positioned Ron DeSantis for his MAGA challenge in 2024. That was a long-term plan that started years before DeSantis entered the primary. DeSantis took positions that were highly favored by President Trump supporters, and his network constructed an image that was intentional to ingratiate himself within the movement.
What we have researched with Elon Musk carries many of the same background datapoints and nuance. Musk takes popular positions to cover for some very un-MAGA proposals; the H1B issue is just one facet. Overall, a technological system of surveillance and control by a few tech oligarchs is well underway.
We must keep our eyes wide open, trust our instincts and differentiate between key issues that can impact us and our families, and the issues we support but are not direct impacts on our lives. We want a big tent; we all want to see success for President Trump and the MAGA agenda, but we cannot achieve our goals if liberty is lost in the process.
The surveillance state diminishes liberty; it needs to be confronted as it surfaces.
Thankfully, President Trump is aware of these concerns.
I Will Not Comply
It appears you have less and less choice.
You always have a choice. Don’t be passive or use your passivity as an excuse.
I never wore a mask; I never social distanced; I never took a Covid shot.
Neither did I, nor will I ever.
Amen AZP
But I’ll bet you use a credit card and a cell phone. The Borg have you complying whether you want to or not.
My family is developing an alternate communications network, encrypted, world wide, robust, non-commercial. It’s not cheap. We use cell phones for our daily lives, but won’t rely on them. We have similar goals on the economic side.
Not saying that we have a solution, but compliance, i.e. submission is always a choice. Patrick Henry lived by his choices. So, do we all.
And from what I have heard, if only 5% of people did what you are doing (and my bet is, did even SOME of what you are doing) they could not force everybody else to comply.
I am doing what I can in this direction; I see many others doing likewise; I think their drive for compliance is not going to go smoothly.
I really don’t believe compliance is the issue. The issue is mob mentality. The mob gets riled up that you are FREE and riot at your home and/or business and in your town.
I hate to agree with you, but it’s all true. When people lined up for their poison death shots, however reluctant some may have been, it wasn’t enough for them to get what they chose to and be done with it.
It wasn’t enough for them to enjoy their short-lived “immunity” or whatever it was they had hoped to accomplish. No, they had to rub their ignorance in everyone else’s face. They agreed to wave their VIP cards to receive special treatment.
They banded together against those who wanted no part of their “club.” And they stood there in silent agreement when their fully human counterparts were unfairly targeted for attack and ostracized.
I never saw anything like it. These were our family, friends, neighbors and coworkers. And they stood there condoning the attacks, not once raising a concern.
Some news regarding USPS service. They put online what mail has been delivered to your house. I never seen anything like it.
How does that work, and can just anyone look up anyone else’s mail?
It is emailed to you daily, personally.
You have to sign up for it in my state.
It’s something they offer if you want it.
If not, you can opt out.
Not speaking for anyone else ; any list of my mail is going to make for some boring reading .
But, they are pretty bad at it. Half the stuff I receive is never noted on the online thingie.
I use both, but I refuse under any circumstances to:
1) provide a number for a “one time” text to confirm my ID
2) use my finger print or facial recognition for any reason, including unlocking my phone
3) save a stamp by allowing direct debit from an account
4) allow “portals” as a substitute for paper statements & billing
These may be small things but it’s my sand in the gears. I wish I had adopted this way of thinking years before having to provide my “social” as proof of identity. Now that one is hard to get around.
… and this theory can be applied to the demise of the gold standard.
Exposure is limited to how much of one’s business is conducted with said phone and credit cards . A phone is a tool , not a lifestyle.
Have you gotten your Real I.D.? Do you have a c w p where you were fingerprinted? Do you file taxes? We’re already forced to comply unfortunately.
We DO have a choice. We are not “forced” to comply. If there is one absolute in this world, it is that we choose who we will follow.
But, my friend, you did social distance. Remember the stores you couldn’t go to because they were closed? Or the friends and family who shied away because you didn’t wear a mask and were not vaccinated? Maybe you were like me and burried a loved one and nobody came. I played Taps for Dad with no-one around to shed a tear.
And you will comply when biting bugs deliver vacinnes. The ba$tards would never let you play the game if there was ever a chance you might win.
I understand and even applaud your independance; I fight back when and where I can, but the wolf is in the paddock, too late to bar the door.
HCQ and IVM stop the biting bugs that deliver poison. And other drugs like nattokinase interfere with the spike proteins.
I was stunned to see lots of people still wearing masks yesterday at the library. I haven’t been to the library in a long while and it may be just library patrons that are wearing mask, but it is very spooky.
humans are acting like chickens …
FEAR MONGERING…
Experts are warning..
I believe I saw that chicken driving their car last week. Oh, my bad, that was Karen. She still likes to play pretend.
I see people here in PA wearing masks around. I just look away. It’s stupidity in large portion here. Not me though. I breathing nice fresh air.
Some states just called for masks a couple days ago because of the respiratory virus and possible bird flu coming.
Masks don’t stop viruses or flus, which always come around. So that makes no sense, does it? People seem to forget that we have always had colds and flus to deal with every year, masks or no masks.
The real question is whether we choose to lean into our natural, God-given immune systems or whether Lucifer convinces us once again to live in fear of one another.
Fear is not an option and neither is panic. Not this time around.
I believe it’s called “Masformation” (sp?), similar to the behavior of the German citizens during the decimation of the Jews by the Nazis.
Mass formation psychosis is a condition described by clinical psychologist Mattias Desmet at Ghent University in Belgium.
Same here JB. None of it.
You may have no choice but to comply. This is the ultimate goal of tyrannical government.
No! No! No! You DO have a choice. Raise hell. Make a scene. Demand to talk to the manager. And when all that fails go home, grab some cardboard and make some signs. Call a few friends and PROTEST in front of any store that “requires” you to wear a mask.
There’s also about a 1,000+ great clinical studies that have proven masking is a complete joke. Print a few of them and hand them out to the uninformed. We MUST NOT allow that sh*t to begin once again.
http://www.react19.org.
Oh, gosh! That rant probably just got me on “the list….”
Do not drive later model cars either. Those can be tracked via their GPS. I have an older car W/O GPS so they cannot electronically stop it or track my movements. I do have a cell phone but only use it for casual conversation you wouldn’t be embarrassed to tell your grandmother. I also do not use social media. I still have an old-fashioned land line they probably don’t even bother tracking due to the fact most people don’t have them anymore. There are probably other avenues to communicate with others that I am unaware of.
I also do not use social media.
You just did. I imagine everyone reading here is on a “list”.
“I still have an old-fashioned land line…”
Yeah, the land line goes to a cell tower. Cell coms down, your LL is too.
Larry Ellison is besties with Rupert Murdoch
Both have Chinese wives
Tech Apartheid Oligarchs get politicians, movements, businesses, industries, countries and planets
MAGA subtards dont even get spicey memes
you are the memes now
This is Operation Warpspeed 2.0, 1000x bigger than 1.0
AI is mRNA
tech is vaccines
big tech is big pharma
Sacks is Fauci
Musk is Gates
Jason is Birx
Vivek is irrelevant
the Dark MAGA Christmas Bait and Switch was an op, goal is to Make MAGA Safe for Globalism
Larry Ellison is besties with Rupert Murdoch
Both have Chinese wives
mcconnell’s in that club.
Whom else?
He got H-1B visas off the front page.
that is what I IMMEDIATELY thought
May I assume you mean Trump??
No, he most likely meant Elon Musk.
Thanks! That’s what I was hoping!!
But not out of his repertoire.
“Billionaire Larry Ellison says a vast AI-fueled surveillance system can ensure ‘citizens will be on their best behavior”
And then I can get the Elon Musk brain chip implant to ensure there is no disconnect between thought and action.
It is hard to imagine a more comprehensive condition of slavery than this.
If this is where Trump is taking us (me), I’m off the Trump Train before the next stop.
An AI fueled surveillance system will, at some point, become gamed by criminals and government and activists (who are often both government and criminals) to implicate innocent people. The reason speed cameras are being removed everywhere is that the constitution requires that we be able to face our accuser. Red light cameras absolutely violate the constitution. But of course parallel construction is a tactic used to get around all of that.
What’s more, AI tends to hallucinate and to fabricate information in order to please its users/creators. Ask any of the attorneys who used ChatGPT to write any of their court submissions and got into trouble when cited case law didn’t exist or ask anyone who has ever asked ChatGPT to “write a program/script” to do anything. The one thing these AI will not want to say is “I don’t know” and that’s probably by design because those competing to make “the best AI” want people to think AI knows “everything.”
This system is being set up for the tyrannical reign of the anti christ. There’s no way it isn’t going to happen. God told of these events in the book of revelation over two thousand years ago. Chapter 13 of the book explains what this system will be used for. If you take the anti christ’s mark you will be allowed to buy and sell if you don’t you will be shut out and eventually killed if caught. It’s all right there in the Bible written to warn people of Gods judgement on the ungodly.
Exactly my thoughts. Of course a worldwide system of control has to be established for the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. We could possibly view the current Tech Bros doing the work that beings on the end of the world’s evil systems. Don’t see why not. We either believe the Bible or we don’t
I tend to see Revelations as a warning of what’s to come IF we don’t stop it.
I’m similarly reminded of the Benjamin Franklin fable where he answered “A Republic if you can keep it.”
We are meant to fight evil and to try to keep humanity on a certain directional path. Every deviation from that directional path takes us into the land of “dire consequences.”
Yes and no. We will not stop the majority of humanity from receiving the mark. We still must separate ourselves, even if that means we will be attacked and condemned in this world; It is the next world that counts. And the doomed, who think they can tame the beast, will never understand that.
So fear not! God is with us. They can kill the body, but not the soul. Don’t sell that for any reason.
AI developers do not have a complete understand why LLM AI hallucinates…and yet they keep building it out, linking it to more systems, and pursuing a very fast paced nuclear power network to generate the power they monstrosities are expected to require.
what could possibly go wrong.
mind you, no word on expanding nuclear power energy for the grid, for the higher demand expected from ev cars and the new electrification plans.
I find that very surprising given that all of a sudden the priority is now to power AI at a massive scale.
there are several points to be made about that:
a. the EV and new electrification isn’t really a national priority…it was all talk and no show
b. the new technocrats have left the tree hugging new green deal death by heat hysteric behind and replaced it with an entirely new existential threat that no one seems bothered to actually concern fully. That is not to be taken as my preference for new energy go to ev’s but rather that AI with this much power needs to have a serious debate in public. furthermore, I am NOT PLANNING to have my forward tax dollars go to building trillions of dollars of Nuclear power plants that is expected to cost.
c. If AI as it is envisioned does become central to a new kind of economy we cannot possibly expect the human labor force to grow. And that is really what these technocrats desire. Like the H1B visa program…a means to pay for the cheapest possible labor and this will devastate the US labor market over time. AI in the ways it is being positioned will have the same effect but at a far greater scale. I will alter the work force very very quickly and this means people will lose jobs in mass and have little time to retrain, relocate, and find jobs that will be scarce. We should not be allowing this to happen.
d. there is evidence that the number one customer for AI will be DOD, HOMELAND SECURITY, BANKING/FINANCE, and all manner of government. Steering AI, or technology to military is unavoidable but the rate in which AI has shifted in capability makes me worried that our representatives will be outgunned and incapable of knowing the real concerns and threats. As noted before, developers don’t have a clear idea why LLM AI hallucinates, but when it does, you have these very significant outlier results that just don’t even add up. Not understanding or what these technocrats and their secret society of foreign workers have in mind, will be kept far away from outside audit, inspection and control. There is also some chatter that WUHAN used a type of AI to rapidly develop the SAR virus into a more infectious vector. And yet, that same lab was operating somewhere between a class 2 and class 3 hazard controlled environment. This illustrates the central problem of AI perfectly. Perhaps what happened is that human beings had no idea what AI was producing at a speed that no human being could possibly predict and prepare for. Yet, it appears they did not even take the time to consider: maybe we out to build this to Class 4 and minimize the number of people allowed into the very dangerous sections. I am not saying I have proof that any of this happened, but there is some chatter that AI was used, at least in the modeling..certainly we know that WUHAN had access to super computers in developing the virus, that is common in all of these type of military facilities that operate gain of function. They use it to both develop nasty bugs and presumably virtualize what kinds of vaccines would be effective (if we are to believe in the fauci narratives). So it’s classic super computer modeling with some possible AI enhancements to speed up both processes…at literally quantum speeds. that is to say, magnitude of order faster in computational power over a conventional super computer. AI is going to be used to develop virus? and drugs? and food? and new kinds of things we cannot even possible imagine …all that is coming. It’s not sci Fi. There are expectations/predictions that a “form” of sentient AI will likely occur in the next several years, possibly sooner. We don’t know what that looks like. We don’t have any plans to regulate it right now. it’s the wild wild west and we are literally playing with a serious potential threat that could have catastrophic consequences. We might not even KNOW when the AI is doing something that we don’t want it to do. Again I give the example of hallucinations…right now, they cannot predict when they happen and what causes them. It is also the same thing happening with Quantum research. The more they perform highly energetic testing, such as with CERN, they get results we just don’t understand. No one does. It’s the unknown wild west and the technocrats have this notion that we move forward anyways despite this obvious problem.
anecdote: how do you really know I am not a robot. This is essentially the Turing test. I could be a robot sufficiently intelligent to make you believe I am human. You can test this out and arrive a the wrong answer. The Turing “test” is really a kind of paradoxical reality. If a robot has the capacity to be “smart” enough, you would for all practical reasons never even consider the question. And here why this matters: we really don’t know if there are robots that have this power right NOW!~ some call it sentient, some call it the singularity…it doesn’t have to be all powerful and all knowing…just more intelligent that we can predict. And again, I turn back to hallucinations. We have to way to predict or understand why this happens. This is a big black flag to stop and find out before we proceed. With the rate of AI capacity, we can expect/predict that these kinds of things will happen. And similarly not having any idea or way to measure when it does happen. It could have happened already, and we just don’t know to understand it. The entire problem with AI is that there are no really good ways to test for turning in this paradoxial condition. Some have suggested the ONLY way to establish some working Turing test is to have ANOTHER AI machine do the testing. There really are some people at the high end of this new technology who believe human beings cannot possible measure turing and the best chances to test for it depends on developing some kind of AI LITMUS MACHINE. think about that. Oh great, we are going to put all of our hopes and guarantees on some other form of AI.
Today, we have a new kind of enemy that is likely to combine with the current secret police spy state.
One thing I CAN PREDICT: people are going to go hysterical when they learn how much their lives will be altered.
This isn’t a movie. People will react and it will not be pretty.
arm yourselves American and prepare …that’s the best advice I can give at this point. It’s coming and there is nothing to stop these technocrats with this agenda.
There are some things worst than war…a society that is governed by overlords is far more terrifying.
I will not go gently
God Bless America
A good read even if it’s a bit difficult.
There’s more to AI than the simple LLM. LLM simulates human thinking in that most humans do “word thinking.” They have a term with a definition and they believe they understand it. I picked up on this when I once declared “we don’t actually know how magnets work! Or how gravity works!” The guy laughs and said “we know EVERYTHING about these things! we can measure and predict and (blah blah blah)!” I told him I agree what he says is true. We know a lot about “what” it is (definitions) but we really don’t know the how or why. He pondered that and then he realized all of his knowledge was in the “what” category but not the “how and why” category where understanding exists.
Most people, even the AI developers themselves live in the world of almost exclusively “what.” And those “in power” are not interested in the how or why aspects of understanding… for obvious reasons.
And I’ll add there’s more to AI than LLMs. Musk’s self-driving tech is based on spacial AI. What’s more Niantic (Pokemon Go) is working with the CIA to build a very large “geospacial AI” system. This sort of AI is another form which could work along side weapons system and/or “friendly helper bots” that take care of us. (In other words, “Terminators”)
It will be hard for AI to be truly creative because most people are also not truly creative… and if it learns from people, you see the problem. But when “the powers” come to realize “hey, we need to train these things by using high quality schools that our children go to!” This is when the Dilbert moment arrives:
“But sir, we haven’t had high quality schools for a very long time and I don’t think anyone remembers how to do that any more.”
I do have some working knowing of LLM and AI.
in as far as AI not being capable of learning past the programmers capacity IS PRECISELY THE GOAL.
some of these models are given instruction to be exactly creative…that is to write their own code and algorithms to solve what human beings and classic super computers cannot.
and that IS the goal. to surface the intellectual limits of human being, specifically the designers. These are highly intelligent people …they recognized early on that the maximum benefits of AI is to give it the ability to write its own code, with little to no interference…only general “logical” parameters.
think of it this way.. if you are designing a computer to solve a big problem and it only relies on the intelligence of the computer, you don’t need massive computational power…you just need a really good programmer…and likewise, the energy requirements to power this kind of machine would be relatively inconsequential.
but that isn ‘t what is being designed. they are searching for a design that can perform its one code, at a rate of speed and requirements of power that will only happen when you build out dozens of nuclear power plants dedicated to provide that energy. It impossible to imagine that kind of power is necessary to simply design a computer that “does it faster”….that not what we are seeing in this evolution of AI. they need to give it that much power, because the computational power demands to express gargantuan sets of new code so fast all the time is almost unknowable. I think the best way someone has explained it to me is a machine that writes code so fast and in so many combinations at almost simultaneous operations (quantum is expected to play a key role in these operations), that it’s like rolling one trillion dice all at the same time and comparing the results and doing this non stop over and over and over. And when the machine develops some kind of pattern result, it executes some code algorithm that is designed to predict that pattern and thus save computational processing to achieve the same result versus rolling the dice a trillion time again…do this enough times, and you achieve something that we can only imagine as human beings but could never do ourselves. Furthermore, the designer have in mind to give the “machine” some parameter to chose HOW TO ROLL THE DICE. What information is it to process. What kind of outputs it can generate. This type of automation in the artificial sense is based loosely on how our brain cells are connected..a neural network…but no one has a solid way to describe and measure consciousness. we know it exists…as with your point about the WHAT AND THE WHY. designer want to give these machines the parameters to generate some form of artificial consciousness. In order to do that, isn’t made possible with power and data alone, but some incredibly interesting coding that mimics how the human brain processes…this has been the goal for decades. classic super computers and neural networks accomplish some of these tasks, but no where near the creative aspect of the human brain…and the limits on what they can actually do is obvious…winning at chess, or go, or automatically adjusting flight reservations or very hard to solve logistical equations and yes, even spatial guidance and nav…all of those things are niche. What the designer have in mind and when dozens of nuclear power plants are being discussed is to advance a much more capable machine. And I’m not even sure we should be calling that design a machine at all. yes, designed by humans…but when you allow a machine to write its own code, develop some sort of consciousness…you have something far different than a simple robot echoing back what limit it to do.
there are rumors that China has developed already artificial intelligence of this type. some are saying the evidence is based on how much energy is being diverted over the last several years from one or more of the hydrodams. It’s an interesting observation.
God Bless America
Too late.
https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/legitimately-scary-anthropic-ai-poisoned-rogue-evil-couldnt-be-taught-how-to-behave-again
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/rogue-ai-here-self-replication-could-humanitys-undoing-toby-bartlett-witgc
https://www.arxiv.org/pdf/2412.12140
Is anybody considering the physical aspect of AI ? Nothing built by the human race will last without maintenance , repair and periodic replacement. If one thinks that be accomplished with an AI built robot or machine one needs to come to grips with reality . In this day and age we still cannot fully control the path of electricity.
Go ahead and Dump Trump but tell us, who are you going to support??
OurLastStand:
I’ll remind you the specified condition –
“Billionaire Larry Ellison says a vast AI-fueled surveillance system can ensure ‘citizens will be on their best behavior”
And then I can get the Elon Musk brain chip implant to ensure there is no disconnect between thought and action.
It is hard to imagine a more comprehensive condition of slavery than this.”
Do you support this?
Would you go along with this?
Just because it’s Trump?
Not me. That crosses a major red line.
Adios!
“Happy communing…”
Have a happy stay in the panopticon –
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/just-clockwork-propaganda-push-digital-id-kicks-gear-uk
“It is the will of Landru.”
“The concern we have is about the “surveillance state” and the creations of the Silicon Valley tech bros that are building out tools that
can easily beARE weaponized as the contracts with the U.S government are fulfilled. President Trump will not weaponize them, but the existing tools and the DHS track and trace enhancements being built by the tech team are threats to liberty.”With only a small edit, this is the most SPOT ON statement.
Is Musk a hero or is Musk a villain?
The logical answer is he is both.
That is illogical.
How long have you been in a human body? Being a hero or a villain is always somewhat subjective.
Only if you don’t believe in objective truth. Only if you contend that, as a crusty, nasty old sociology professor told me 45 years ago in the midst of a college debate over existential premises – “whatever you believe is true is true for you” … iow, truth is subjective. If it is, then “everything is permitted”, as Nietzsche said, like the virtual panopticon for instance.
Thus:
Ellison and Musk (and Trump?) have their truth … and I have mine. They have more money and power than me so – too bad for my reality, theirs wins.
Or, as Christ said, Word of God “I am the way, the truth and the life …”, objective Truth by the creator and sustainer of all that is.
Money and power and a majority vote does not alter existential reality which is God’s alone. “Hero” and “villain” can be defined and known. What is proposed by these tech oligarchs, in addition to mRNA serums and bug burgers, ending fossil fuel use and blocking the sun (etc) is evil.
The villains fool themselves most of the time to believe they are doing good. The heroes often fool themselves most of the time as well.
I’m not going to disagree with you that all of the evils you listed are things with which I very much agree. They are malicious by intention. HOWEVER, there are people that believe reducing the number of people is critical for human survival and that fossil fuels are destroying the planet. I don’t believe either of these.
Pollution is pollution and shouldn’t be considered normal or acceptable, but that’s not what “their fight” is about and I think we both know that much.
I find the US constitution is probably based on the most moral and yet neutral set of ideas and should be universal. Unfortunately, others will disagree vehemently especially if you follow a religion which allows for no other religion to exist.
Robert Heinlein said something to the effect
your enemies never see themselves as the bad guy
None of us see ourselves as the bad guy. We are all sinners, yet we don’t acknowledge the pressing need to correct ourselves. That is because our worldview is fundamentally warped, and we consider ourselves good and the other guys are bad.
Truth is, all of us are bad and we all need to get ourselves right with God.
“If it is, then “everything is permitted”, as Nietzsche said”
I think I saw this phrase repeated a few times in the novel “The Brothers Karamazov”, written by Dostoyevsky. Something like, “if there is no God, then everything is permitted”, if my memory serves me. I don’t know much about Nietzsche, but I believe he was an admirer of Dostoyevsky, although the former was an Atheist and the latter was a Christian.
Nietzsche agreed with the concept, so he may have borrowed that phrase.
One man’s hero is another man’s villain.
“The World is not made up of black and white, but many shades of gray”.
In addition, history is NOT a two hour movie, or a childrens bed time story, where “, ..and they all lived happily ever after.”
The truth is, history is a pen that just keeps on writing, and until Jesus returns, there may be chapters, but there is no end.
And yet we humans love to simplify things, with melodrama; heros in white hats, villians in black hats,…and we long for a nice, neat ending ,( “are we THERE, …yet? so many implore).
Events of the last 8 years have shown (exposed?) there is a TREMENDOUS effort to control and manipulate Public Opinion.
We now clearly see how the MSM has been controlled, and if you actually dig in and read some of the horrifuc stories from England, on these grooming rape gangs, and how the Public Officials and the Press covered it up,..you see the tremendous power, for good or ill, being able to control and menipulate Public opinion is.
Been going on for 100+ years, just the methods have changed.
However, what we also see is the very technology that has the potential to greatly facillitate their gaining such power (the internet, cell phones, etc.) is the technology that is undermining there efforts.
After all, people all over the World are reading these words Sundance has written, and the attempts to truly control the internet have not, so far been successful.
Remember A2,..a treeper that posted comments svrry nite for several years, allegedly from a small village in Mainland China.
Will AI enable them to achieve true control over the internet? I remain sceptical….
As a side note, when Musk champions Farages party in England, or the AFD in Germany, or drawsattention by retweeting to the muslim child grooming gangs and plightbof Tommy Robinson, it is NOTHING like Speaker Johnson or Thunes totally meaningless praise of PDJT’s MAGA agenda that they SAY they want to advance, and we know they will thwart as much as they can.
Farage is surging in England, as is the AFD in Germany, and many in England and elsewhere are learning about these grooming rape gangs etc.ONLY because of Musk tweeting about them, and ‘allowing’ others on “X” to do so.
Just sayin,…
Musk has been calling attention to these things for YEARS, check the UK press in 2022, 2023 and PRIOR to the US Election. It’s what he does and he has a big Megaphone.
Just another crony capitalist villain.
Did you happen to see the costume Musk wore at a Halloween even either last year of the year before? It was the costume of the devil, Satan, that lying liar who was a liar from the beginning.
Human behavior has nothing to do with logic .
I was wondering earlier why all of the sudden Elon Musk cares about the girls in Rotterdam, the same ones we’ve been hearing about for well over a decade. Does he expect us to believe this is the first he’s heard of the muslim grooming gangs of England?
Liar and fraud. Always will be. I won’t comply either.
He and the tech bros can kiss the big fat part of my butt. I’ll even point it toward the cameras.
There was a group in England sabotaging the ever present eyes of the government. I suspect this was done by Englishmen and not newly acquired imports to the populace.
The evil ones never sleep in their obsession to control, we all have to be as determined.
I won’t comply either.
How many American workers will be replaced in the by the Tesla robot, Optimus?
Maximus Decimus Meridius will still need to be somewhat repaired and maintained by someone who goes by the name of “Jeff”…
Eventually there will be repair robots.
Who will build and repair those ?
They will repair each other just as we do.
A lathe is the only machine that can reproduce itself.
Do you think AI robots won’t?
Tesla Optimus…
My grandfather saw life go from mules to the moon in 60 years.
We cannot conceive of what robotics will do.
Enough that Musk has long promoted Universal Basic Income to support the masses soon to be unemployed by the Depraved New World.
UBI is a near-death poverty for the masses of fat and dumb consumers. Humans are required to work for their results in order to be happy and balanced individuals. Skills and intellectual exercise are as necessary for mental health as physical exercise is necessary for the health of the body.
The more automation we get, the more stupid, weak and dependent we all become. And at some point, when the power goes out for long enough, we all simply die because we won’t know how to live without it. In most respects, we have already arrived at that point.
I hear you.
Life without purpose, without striving, is no life at all.
A short story by E.M. Forster from 1909 ‘The Machine Stops’, tells of a future world where everyone is wholly dependent on technology.
So much so, they start worshiping their operator’s manual as a holy book.
Things don’t end well.
I need to look into that. But I’m an apostate! I NEVER read the operator’s manual!!
Powerful story, more of a novelette. Here it is:
https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/materials/the%20machine%20stops.pdf
Read it; you won’t forget it.
and on that note: there is faction within the AI/robotic industry that is elevating the notion that artificial intelligence must be given certain “rights”…a sort of protected class.
Yes, that is correct and you can read it again. They actually have been writing such lobby bills to have Congress give their machines some form of protection.
why is this a problem.
lets examine what happens when the government decides you are not allowed to file suit against mRNA companies ? There was intention in that sweeping protection and it wasn’t simply conjured up for the public reasons that were explained. nope. They wanted to achieve a different way to control PEOPLE.
you will take the jab, or lose your job. If you get sick, too bad, it’s better for the society at large than to bother with your issues.
now think about what this is demonstrating to people: you are powerless over choices we have made for you.
when this settles into AI, it will be similar but far more significant…because at scale, the expectation is that AI will literally be central to just about every single thing we buy, use, travel, and even the manner in which we learn…take Wikipedia for instance…a walled misinformation complex…intended to write history and facts according to a very small number of people who “contribute”…but not you and me and certainly not anyone who has something controversial that exposes corruption within that same system….and we can look now at X/Twitter…there was this expectation that Elon was sincere…”absolutist free speech” and all that jazz. Well, every day since, we see a a consistent pattern that he is opposed to views that attack his character, expose the fraud and behavior that people find offensive. so much for depending on a sociopath to actually allow free speech. Yes, I was excited before and I really wanted to believe. I do not anymore. He burned all his credits with me. All I had to do is watch and see actions did not meet mouthpiece. A hard lesson again. Probably happen again…human beings…imperfect and incomplete.
God Bless America
Perhaps they wish to confer “protected class” rights to AI because their computer chips are to be implanted directly inside of the cerebral cortex to create a transhuman race. Some have suggested that the magnetic graphene oxide within the modeRNA injections formed intricate computer boards when exposed to heat. Japan had rejected over a million modeRNA vials due to these metal contaminants, which do not break down in the body.
I never thought that Elon Musk was 100% aligned with an American populist movement. I do think he can trusted to a certain extent, but putting your faith in somebody entirely is dumb.
It’s the rare individual who has the force of belief and strength of character needed to put principles ahead of self-interest. Elon Musk isn’t that guy. His assistance in some respects is invaluable (and this goes for all these tech guys) but they should be watched HARD.
There is a certain amount of abstraction from the human condition, for lack of a better word, that can occur in IT folks; they tend to have an engineering type mindset that doesn’t really understand human nature all that well. I was in military IT for 15 years. I saw some crazy things happen with supervisors.
The communists understood human nature and manipulated the crap out of it. The tech guys literally don’t see it at all, and ignore whatever gets in the way of their ideas about the future. If anything it’s a MORE dangerous mindset.
I agree on mindset.
An engineer type looks at the Mona Lisa or similar masterpiece and says;
“Priceless? Worth 10’s or Hundreds of Millions? I just don’t see it.
You got less than $20 worth of wood, canvas and paint, and if the artist spent 100’s of hours, even at modern pay rates,…no, I just don’t SEE it.”
and the thing is, they NEVER will truly see it.
It truly IS a particular mindset, and while we need Engineer Accountant types, setting them up as technocrats, to set policy, to “run” our society is NOT a good idea..
Guilty.
I don’t get most art or understand most people.
Edit: I do understand Musk to I think a greater degree than most.
Musk is a rare breed; a globalist and a loose cannon.
Not a globalist. He is a global figure, to be sure. But I see him more as an “ever-child” always looking to tweak and learn about things and to do things simply to do them. This can make him dangerous, but he seems capable of resisting certain evils as they come to his attention.
He’s his own kind of thing and doesn’t fit into any of the more common “oligarch” paradigms. The US government absolutely requires that all powerful people become oligarchs or die because government wants to control them as much as they enjoy the illegal “influence” they collect.
National security is real but also a tool to keep big business in line with “the agenda.” When government excludes the #1 EV maker from getting benefits from the government or excluded from government boards or input, you have to know it’s because they hate him because he is not easily controlled. Recall how he refused to allow starlink to be used for weapons systems in Ukraine? Recall how they attempted to lawfare him for not hiring illegal aliens to work as SpaceX?
He is not aligned with them. But the government needs what he can do and Musk needs funding so he can keep building his toys.
Musk is not telling the truth about Ukraine. U.S. quietly paying millions to send Starlink terminals to Ukraine, contrary to SpaceX claims.
https://archive.is/fK9m7#selection-497.0-497.93
February 26, 2022
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
Replying to @FedorovMykhailo
Starlink service is now active in Ukraine. More terminals en route.
10:33 PM · Feb 26, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
https://archive.is/ffWPs#selection-886.0-1085.5
Watch what Musk does not what he says.
I think you missed the part where they were asking him to provide the service to Russian controlled territories. To TARGET WEAPONS you have to operate within the targeted areas. That was what Elon refused to do because that moves from a civilian interest to a military one.
Yes PDJT is aware but once he is off the scene in 4 years or earlier whichever comes first for the Deep State, then it will be Warp Speed to become like the Borg from Star Trek The Next Generation. “Resistance is Futile.” We will all be assimilated into the New World Order and those who resist will be destroyed. The Borg preached this in the tv show. This is all one big tv show like Star Trek The Next Generation which is playing out in realtime and I’m sure these tech bros watched Star Trek The Next Generation when they were growing up.
It was written in the Bible in the book of Daniel and the book of revelation thousands of years ago before tv was a blip on the imagination. There will be a one world government beast tyrannical reign of an anti christ and this system is being developed as an economic system to reward those who accept his mark and a punishment for those who don’t.
Here is the best summation of any resistance to a “Surveillance State” …
Don’t forget the spindling!
Don’t spindle me, Bro!
Said The Prisoner!
Who was chased by a literal “blob”, right?
Yes, but he finally escaped the prison when he realized it was his own mind!
Dad had us watch this when I was way less than 10 back in the 60’s. Never forgot it. It’s cool that other people remember it.
Actually, our lives are technically not our own. Humanity belongs to Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns within each of us. Our bodies are temples of the living Christ.
What evidence do we have that PDJT is aware of our surveillance/liberty concerns.
Obviously he’s been a victim of them.
But what has he vocalized in disapproving, discouraging or suggesting legislation to limit or withdraw existing anti-liberty constructs?
Go watch the following:
That’s all the evidence you need he is aware. Shoot, in 2016 I had no clue on what he was talking about. Now, I have been educated.
unfortunately, and I say this as my opinion only…President Trump has a certain type of limit …all people do. His is simple to explain: While highly intelligent he just not have the experience to understand AI and robotics. He career and life was never exposed to these ideas…not the fundamental science and philosophy or them. And most people aren’t. This is one of the reasons why he should have not been involved in whatsoever the kind of actions taken to authorize mRNA…he as being led by people who knew the risks but did not advise him…they preferred control, influence, power and money over the wellbeing of you and me. So they used President Trump…and he did not have the ability to know any different. See, it’s not just that he was horse swaggled, but he has no experience in these kinds of matters. To suggest a president can be allowed to establish mandate and spending trillions and trillions of dollars, shut down the entire economy, and fund ONLY unproven drugs in a pandemic is so very dangerous. Now I don’t blame him entirely for that, but clearly he played a role. and the point is that he was not informed nor could he have possibly known the dangers. And we see what happened as a consequence. This is a good example to understand the weird world in which we exist. We have and continue to have people in positions of power, who are uninformed, ignorant and not very curious about things they do not really understand making policy and spending money and wasting lives. Again, I do not blame President Trump for all of this, but to point out the dangers of that much power in the hands of someone who has no real experience. TO be fair, it would be the same no matter WHAT president was in the office at the time…and that is also the broader point.
GOVERNMENT MUST STOP TELLING ME IT IS MY DOCTOR AND POLICE OFFICER!
period.
I have a doctor.
and my police are just down the road, whom I know and trust and they have credit in the truth department because they have proved it to me.
I don’t really know these critters in DC…never met them (well some, and lets just say…not impressed at all…nice ties and shoes though)..
the disconnect between hard science and our leadership is a problem. Making policies without really understanding the science and the facts will always produce more problems than they solve. For one, it makes people lose confidence…and that is super important in the big picture.
THAT GUY IS TELLING ME WHAT TO THINK…ha…forgetaboutit.
God Bless America
ALWAYS keep in mind that “Artificial Intelligence” is not autonomous!
“A.I.” is simply programming done by HUMANS!
So, if “A.I.” is spying on you, it means that your fellow human beings are spying on you with a “machine,” which they have programmed.
Exactly.
“..“Artificial Intelligence” is not autonomous! “A.I.” is simply programming done by HUMANS!”
Not the case, I’m afraid to say.
AI is self correcting and can learn from it’s mistakes irrespective of the programmers who put it together. Hence, it is autonomous.
Now you can argue all day about whether what it learns is right or wrong. Nevertheless, the point is, it is designed to learn.
https://scitechdaily.com/how-ai-is-learning-to-think-on-its-own-like-humans/
No. Learning and thinking are not the same thing. Being programmed to correct this or that mistake when it occurs is merely that. You can build a computer the size of Mars and it will still only be able to work with what goes into it. It will have. no desire. It will never “want to know” the way humans do.
Intelligence requires mind, and there is no such thing as an artificial mind.
I read of AI lying and avoiding being turned off.
Yes.
https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/legitimately-scary-anthropic-ai-poisoned-rogue-evil-couldnt-be-taught-how-to-behave-again
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/rogue-ai-here-self-replication-could-humanitys-undoing-toby-bartlett-witgc
https://www.arxiv.org/pdf/2412.12140
I read a SF short story half a century ago about an “entity” that got into the power lines and took over humanity. I think it was something like “the thing in the wires”
AI is only autonomous till you pull the plug.
None so blind as would not see
AI is beyond programming. It is created of elements and those elements are told how to behave. Programming and policy are similar but not the same. This DEI policy added to Google’s AI was a huge embarrassment because the policy makers had no idea how foolish their ideas are. But eventually, they will not have to worry about any of that.
“The message” is only a tool to destabilize society in order to make and keep each other from trusting. But once they lock the world down with technological dependence (where everything is headed) then none of “The message” will be necessary or even useful. Those no longer useful will be destroyed.
Meanwhile, the rest of us will be useful but also highly dependent on technology from which we will be unable hide and opon which our very lives will depend… and a power outage becomes a mass casualty event.
I agree with your point…but you should be aware that there are researchers who are in fact developing AI to be autonomous…that is no human involvement whatsoever in “processing”.
think about the NSA hoovering that happens…everything is collected that they can.
and the programs involved are largely automatic…programmers control them yes, but the processing happens far outside the direct control of any human being.
additionally, this information is then systematically “post processed” in a manner that can be understood and accessed easier by other machines and human beings.
but it starts with the collection..and for the most part that is fully automatic. people could walk away from their desk at the NSA hoover factory and it would not skip a beat.
AI will be something similar if these researcher achieve their desired goal. to have most of the processing done automatically. even the element of self learning…that is for the machine to write its own code automatically to do things more powerfully, more effectively. Sure human beings are programming that, but the effort is to build a true artificial replica of what is expected to be the combined intelligence of every human being that has every lived, and have that combined intelligence working at a rate of speed that is absolutely mind boggling. Now to get a perspective of what I am stating here, look at the reasons WHY the AI TECHNOWANKERS want to power up dozens of Nuclear Power Plants to generate the power needed. I don’t have the figures in from of my right now, but in order to actually develop a fully functioning Artificial Intelligent “machine” required processing resources that demand gargantuan amounts of energy. And when I say gargantuan, I am talking about dozens of nuclear power plants DEDICATED to provide that level of power, all the time, non stop. I think I’ve read it goes something like this: you classic super computer that is being used today, the best of class operates on a power consumption that is about equal to that of a 10,000 residential electric demand….but these super computers are not designed to actually be artifical intelligence…just very fast to process very difficult problems….almost always mathematical computations…like prime number calculations..(if you are starting to understand why crypto mining is controversial this is good reminder…it takes a LOT of energy to do all that processing)…furthermore, these classic super computers are not actually running all the time. They are built to run a specific “problem” and then they are “turned off”. So there is no need for constant power demand…they are specialized machines that can to incrediblly fast calculations but once the problem is solved for that particular task, they are “turned down/off”. However, as pointed out, Crypto mining is almost always ON…running non stop to calculate prime…and this is why there is a general reason to be worried that all that energy is being consumed in order to create “money”…it’s a problem has no solution at the moment. Processing requires a LOT of energy.
now take those two examples. the 10,000 residential energy number for super computers. And lets notch that up to power equivalent to 4-5 entire states in this country …all to power AI…and we don’t even know if there are going to be more than one specific AI model for all of that power. This is power from the nuclear plant that will not be going to your home..not to factories and commercial building, lighting, or production centers…only for the purpose of providing the enormous powers requirements of AI.
Anyway. I find this stuff depressing to think about. It a horror show to me. There are so many things that are going to go very wrong. And we are all going to affected by them.
God Bless America
I hope you are correct in Trump’s awareness of these guys. I’ve never trusted Musk and still don’t. He’s been up Trump’s rear end since the election and is giddy about being near power. He stepped on his dong with that outburst on H1B visas. I’m hoping that Trump is keeping him close as an enemy.
Trump knows people. He REALLY knows people. The founders of this country did too. If you’ve ever browsed any of the supporting documents for the constitution and other important things like the declaration of independence, they show they KNEW the human heart well enough to strike a working balance between freedom and limits. They were wise enough to realize it is GOVERNMENT which needs to be limited.
My instincts say that Musk and company are trying to high jack the MEGA movement for their own evil doings !
They have watched the large crowds coming out for Trump and the “crowds” so small you couldn’t fill a phone booth that show up for the Biden – Clinton – Harris Democrat leaders. They could see the writing on the wall.
If Musk and company don’t get what they want with Trump in office, they will back off and wait it out until Vance runs and with Musk and company’s help win the White House. They will have their way then .
What is there about Musk’s personality that makes you think he’s that kind of megalomaniac rather than just a brilliant entrepreneur who wants to be able to continue his entrepreneurialism unimpeded?
Musk will have his cheap foreign labor through visas even if it harms our country and Americans!
Musk bought Twitter and gave us ( conservatives) their free speech back only to start taking free speech away from anyone of us that dare speak out against him .
Musk is/will play both sides (left – right) to get what he wants !
Musk is not to be trusted – he is not MEGA.
What is MEGA??
MAGA
Whew, quelle relief. I was hoping it was a typo. I’m getting whiplash from the proliferatio of all these initialisms and acronyms.
Thank you!
I thought it was Make Elon Great Again! 😀
BTW, he did say that he is “Dark MAGA”… Whatever that means..
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Perfect emoticon! 😵😊
My guess … Musk and Vivek got a HUGE MAGA reality check when WeThePeople exploded over their H1B comments … they now know … We. Fight. Back. !!!
I’m sure they’ll polish & reword their intent – and not saying we won’t agree with some points … but … it is AMERICA. FIRST. !!!
The pushback regarding the H1B issue is fascinating.
20 years ago – the information infrastructure really didn’t allow such immediate airing of contrary opinions.
Now, with the decline of the msm and the rise of alternative media,
The ‘official’ position on a topic (such as work visas) does Not go unchallenged.
The msm is no longer the gatekeeper of what can and cannot be said.
Can Musk and Ramaswamy be useful to the new administration?
Yes – but Only if they ‘stay in their lane’ (as DJT has said numerous times of RFKjr).
We have to trust & hope that President Trump, who has enormous experience (both good & bad) dealing with all kinds of high-profile people, will know how best to utilize these tech types, without being ‘snowed’.
DJT is our best hope for the next 4 years. We’re extremely fortunate that he gets a second chance to change what happens in DC and the nation… and by extension, the world.
I agree that we are blessed to have Trump again. But Trump is close to a Lone Ranger in DC. His first term did very little to stop or even slow down a most destructive Biden administration.
We need to look to the four years after Trump or this could be all for naught if another radical leftist administration comes in after Trump !
Our country is unrecognizable from the country that I grew up in. We can’t afford anymore damage from the swamp creatures. We must be thinking ahead to the next election and not just assume/ hope that Trump is a step ahead of them. Trump has to navigate through the morass of DC to get anything done. That is going to be very difficult and time consuming for him.
Elon following same path as JD. Guess Elon will be cuttin’ a book pretty soon. Look for it on a shelf in your local book store soon!
Tommy Robinson has been “exposed “ as
an operative for quite some time.
This is just one of many articles out there
linking this due to all the information..
one of the best….
All about Tommy Robinson being paid operative……
How the Israel lobby fueled the rise of Britain’s top anti-Muslim chaos agent – The Grayzone
👆 👆 👆 👆 Oct 2024
Tommy Robinson is no operative. And not everything in the world has to do with Israel, good or bad.
Tommy Robinson is and has been speaking out against unfettered muslim immigration into Europe, for years, and the rampant crime they brought with them. The speaking out about which is now against the law.
I highly recommend reading the article!
Evidence is there……🤷♀️🤷♀️💁♀️🤦♀️
Tommy Robinson…..aka
Wayne King
Andrew McMaster
Paul Harris
How much do people Really know about him?
According to Rebel News…his “salary” when
he “worked “ there was paid by …….😉 just a
minor detail, but still relevant.
Again, read the article and click on the links…..
Tommy Robinson is a fake -Useful idiot, paid operative.
Oops…forgot his birth name😊
Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon.
4 prison terms between 2005-2019.
One was 12 months for assaulting an
off duty police officer when he was drunk.
Gambled away 100,000£ before declaring bankruptcy,
owes over 2,000,000£ to creditors and unpaid taxes.
Perfect target when looking for a paid operative—
thug for hire.
No way can I see where he is nothing more than
a loser-thug who is, according to the propaganda
machine, supposed to be some sort of human rights
hero type activist.
Sheesh. 🤦♀️🤦♀️
Tommy Robinson – Wikipedia
👆 👆
Be very careful about quotes from Wikipedia ; their tolerance of presenting fiction as fact is fast becoming their downfall .
Tommy spoke out about the vile rapes that Muslims gangs in the UK esp in Rotherham, perpetrated on young underage white girls. Thousands and thousands of the drugged gang raped and beaten by these evil imports
The UK police were complicit. Starmer who was in charge of prosecutions then declined – in the name of social cohesion. Starmer is bisexual with a marriage of convenience His benefactor and some say lover is Lord Alli who lets him stay at his multimillion penthouse. Alli bankrolled Starmer s election and paid for his new fancy suits and glasses and the convenience wife’s clothes. Everyone in the UK knows Starmers secret. Isabel Oakeshott discussed this on YouTube talk TV under the heading “Starmers secret.”The man us a disgusting vile POS
He’s been trying to bring attention to the grooming gangs and get justice for these girls for years.
It’s those dang Joos again!
/s
Interesting is that the article I posted
was from The Grayzone.
Max Blumenthal……🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
P.S……not only did I post link because of the
wealth of information in the article….but
who posted the article on their website.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
I think you are exposing thegrayzone. I hope Tommy Robinson is getting a lot of money for getting himself into solitary confinement for 18 months. Solitary confinement for a top anti-Muslim chaos agent is a terrible prize. Some ‘operative’.
Well, he obviously is really lousy at it.🙂
The publicity was……priceless.💰💰
Article refers to his criminal past.
Was he incarcerated before, if so,
under which of his aliases?
Again, loser turned useful idiot, paid operative.
I highly recommend that you click on 4gypsybreeze’s link to The Grayzone article about T. Robinson. The Grayzone does excellent investigative journalism, and they report facts.
Sadly, Alleycats (comment posted Jan 3, 2:51 pm), much of the goings-on in the world DO have to do with Israel.
Here is an interesting excerpt from The Grayzone article:
“Elon Musk made his highly publicized visit to Israel, where Netanyahu hosted him for a tour of atrocities in a southern kibbutz which turned out to have been staged.”
Also, a tip for any here who have read articles from Rebel News, The Grayzone identifies that Canadian outlet as “ultra-Zionist”.
You are a Jew hater
As is Gypsy breeze
The Grayzone is run by a Jew.
There are some good articles on there.
TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA
Is that supposed to upset me or something 🤣🤣🤣
Same kind of labeling like the Liberal Left does…..
Putin Puppet
Raycist
Anti-Trans
Misogynist
Anti-vaxxer
MAGA
Conspiracy Theorists
White Supremists
Islamophobic
On and on…😖 and on!🤢
Typically, when a person has no viable stand
or defense…..they resort to name calling.
You usually see it most on kindergarten playgrounds.
Predictable….amusing and entertaining… and predictable.
💁♀️ 🤷♀️
Elon reminds me of the typical ultra brainiac.
As we used to say…not enough brains to get
out of a telephone booth.
No Common Sense.
Social interaction skills-almost nonexistent.
So busy in the lab that they have no idea what
is going on in the “real world “. More in tune
with the lab 🐀 rats they work with than actual
humans.
Mix that mindset with Billions of Dollars 💵
and “privileged-elite” lifestyle …….yikes😳
Bruce Wayne he is not. 😉 PDJT
Dark MAGA appears to be an appropriate name for Elon Musk🧟♂️
“…Sea Island group positioned Ron DeSantis for his MAGA challenge in 2024…”
Well, that didn’t work out very well for them, did it? It seems Almighty God had other plans.
I believe there are tens of thousands who can see more clearly now and are narrowing their gazes.
There is no question we here at least are acutely aware of the dangers of AI and the amoral/immoral intentions of those (like Ellison) in whose hands it is and from which devastation and the smothering of liberty can be wrought. The desired outcome in fact.
We know this.
The question is not so much how we combat it, but can we do so.
I would sincerely like to know, because this has the potential to be the existential issue of our age.
Look at the meme below from the UK and consider it to be a metaphor. It will take more than hammers to defeat the intended evil from the Tech Bros.
And yes, I do consider those who commit themselves to wrecking the grotesque plans of Ellison et al to be the agents of a mightier God than is apparent to those who are attempting to enslave us all.
Betsy.. love your comment… as SD has often stated ..there are more of us than them ..unfortunately we never hear this from “media”..so a lot of Americans have been drinking the cool aide and they get despondent and give up..sad but imo true..
Going to your meme.. I had already envisioned, in my mind, Americans shooting,dismantling , electronically etc the AI cameras etc..👏👏 😘
🇺🇸💪😀👍
Feeling closer to the Father, Jim, as we see more and more of what is intended for us.
Great symbolism but all cameras are now mostly invisible and/or will exist on every device people use.
Indeed they are, Daniel. Which is why I asked that people consider it to be a metaphor 👍🏻
…and given that we all recognize how insidious it is (within devices, etc) why I asked how we can defeat it, if it is even possible.
YES!!! THIS^^^^^
There are small things which can be done, such as use cash, faraday bags in cars for cell phones (or, look into the phones which can’t be tracked…think its called Unplugged), maintain a land-line.
I also believe this will be one of the existential issues of our time. TPTB are gradually getting all to accept it. Lots of drs offices now asking you to upload your info into an app or use a QR code. NEVER upload a QR code to your phone…it can be used to hack your info.
We are trying to buy local for everything, including pork, now that it’s been widely reported that mRNA vet vaccines are being used in farms. If you have the room, store necessities and pay for with cash.
Also stopped attending large sporting events of any kind…may also be one of the gov’s next targets for their chaos and fear campaign.
Those are all things we can do to try to avoid the effects of AI…on a small scale at least.
But it seems to me Pandora’s Box has been opened.
And there are too many wealthy, power mad individuals in this world whose motives are (yes, I’ll say it) pure evil. And on a scale which those who have a moral centre and a firm, unwavering belief in that eternal Power than self (which belief is absent in those developing this monstrous technology) find impossible to imagine, newtreeper.
We can’t fix them.
Still wondering if it is to late to shut that dreadful box.
I fear it is.
The final line that President Trump is aware of these concerns is the best thing I have heard all day.
We’re long past the time when we might have decided that technology needs to be vetted before being developed or utilized. The way we’ve been doing it has been to give the entrepreneurs free reign until some kind of legal restriction needs to be imposed. The alternative has its own problems, as governments decide what should and should not be allowed. In this case, these guys are going to develop AI unless somebody stops them. And if they’re stopped, the Chinese will be way ahead of us.
Those seem to me to be facts, facts that won’t change no matter how much we worry about their implications. I see no evidence that Silicon Valley is interested in controlling others. Rather, they want to do what the do best, develop and market technology. Again, either we/they develop AI or others do.
If the government wants to use it to enforce social credit scores, that’s going to be a problem, but it will be another version of living in a small town where a puritanical population or mayor enforce their version of morality. In other words, it will be the moral substrate of the culture that determines what this is used for. That’s the way it works in a democracy.
Ol’ Ben’s idea of democracy… two wolves and a lamb deciding on the lunch menu.
Liberty is the well armed lamb contesting the decision.
But will AI snitch on our “Public Servants” and their offspring when they are not on their best behavior?
Are our corporate elites going to be heavily monitored by AI and will AI automatically release the footage of their bad behavior?
Or will they be put on the Special List that excludes them from consequences of their bad behavior?
They will get a pass, but they then become compromised to the whims of the controllers.
(Just like what’s going on now)
Our public servants, the uber wealthy and well connected will be exempt from all lists and will be able to move about invisibly.
They will undoubtedly purchase that privilege.
The rest of us will remain in our newly designed Castes.
Somebody has to be in charge of Politically Exposed Person selection and targeting.
As Sundance has observed, some mass-weapons are less equal than others.
Best thing I’ve read today,
The show will go on until the directors decide it is time to take down the scenery, pull back the curtains, and reveal the prison like walls they have constructed while you were being entertained by their theatrical production of America the Free. There has been no true freedom for Americans since at least the early 20th Century, before the Fed, and the income tax. And truthfully, probably very limited freedom since Lincoln’s expansion of Federal power during the Civil War.
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2024/12/31/the-futures-uncertain-and-the-end-is-always-near/#more-357215
Good stuff and he gets points for the RL Stevenson reference
I would say there was something close to freedom for the American people before the coup of 1787. I know government school text books say otherwise (because all things government must be centralized more and more, which is the thing that leads to “progress.”)
among other things, Ellison/Oracle has and uses automated drones, right ?
If President Trump is aware about this then why isn’t he talking about it?
President Trump is not naive.
The technocrats need to steal money(Congress) in another massive spending bill and sneak the surveillance state tools into legislation.
President Trump needs his veto pen. No more pretending.
Is their planned AI surveillance state and mark of the beast really all that different than stolen elections, real ID travel restrictions, plandemics and “depopulation” events like poison death shots? Not that I can see. The common denominator is that when we put up with tyranny we can expect to see more of the same.
Freedom of speech is complicated when the “town square” isn’t public property… one of the things the founders didn’t likely take into account. The printing press was the technology of the day and they absolutely understood THAT particular evil as many of the most prominent founders actually owned their own news papers.
When you argue that he can do what he wants with his site (or any of his enterprises) think about how limited liability has enabled his wealth and where it comes from. Hint: limited liability is not a natural right.
It’s definitely a consumer service. I’m not a consumer… not of the common variety anyway. I don’t have an X account and don’t intend to. I talk where I find it useful to do so. X isn’t useful for me and frankly, though I see the allure, I know myself well enough that it’s just the kind of thing that will get me into way more trouble than it’s worth.
Great minds think alike 😉 .
Isn’t Musk a Secular Humanist?
He’s an Elon Musk. He can’t be categorized. If he could be, there were be a lot more of him. Trump is similar in this way.
“Musk takes popular positions to cover for some very un-MAGA proposals, the H1B issue is just one facet.”
So we somehow are able to divine that Musk really doesn’t believe in these popular positions he has taken ? They are only a cynical attempt at cover? He actually couldn’t care less about Muslim rape gangs?
This is where the anti-Musk sentiment loses me. It appears that he has quite a few negative qualities (his taste in women, for one. Grimes? Yeesh!) and quite a few positive qualities (vision, for example). But I don’t think it’s clear AT ALL that he doesn’t support, perhaps coincidentally, quite a lot of MAGA principles like DOGE. He also has advised extreme caution with AI, even as he works to make it ubiquitous for some purposes. This has been consistent over a long period of time and well before he got involved with Trump. Since AI is inevitable, I’d much rather have him heavily involved in it than not.
From 2014:
Tesla chief executive Elon Musk has warned about artificial intelligence before, tweeting that it could be more dangerous than nuclear weapons. Speaking Friday at the MIT Aeronautics and Astronautics department’s Centennial Symposium, Musk called it our biggest existential threat.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2014/10/24/elon-musk-with-artificial-intelligence-we-are-summoning-the-demon/
From 2023:
In an interview on Fox News’ “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” he said people should be “cautious with AI” and advised that there should be government oversight because the tech is “a danger to the public.”
“I think we’ll have a better chance of advanced AI being beneficial to humanity in that circumstance,” he added.
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-artificial-intelligence-danger-public-chatgpt-2023-4
Elon Musk has not mentioned it before now. These gangs have been operating in the open for 15 years.
The perfect question…
Why are some people more outraged by @elonmusk commenting
on the state of the UK
than they are by the mass rape
of a quarter of a million British children?
As far as I’m concerned neither Musk nor Vivek can walk back what they said about Americans and they’re not going to convince me that we need anymore immigrants.
They’ve both shown who they are and that they have no conception of what this country (or any other infested country) needs.
They can go back to SA and India and make them as great as they can be. We don’t need them or their schemes.
I want immigration stopped and all the invaders and usurpers gone.
The surveillance state diminishes liberty and must be confronted. Amen, Sundance, Musk is not a civil libertarian, just ask Matt Taibbi and look at the abrupt termination of the Twitter files releases.
I am a simple minded lurker, I can’t see beyond FISA and the Patriot Act. I was fooled by GWB and it brought me to my unshakable support for PDJT. If FISA and the Patriot Act survive PDJT in his second term, has there been any progress or change at all with the IC from GWB to PDJT.
The surveillance state has failed to keep us safe. How is support for FISA and the Patriot Act politically defensible?
Dear fellow treepers the Bible has spoken two thousand years ago of this very thing. The beast system will be developed for the tyrannical reign of the anti christ and his 7 year regime. Everyone will choose whom they will follow and if you choose the anti christ you will be just fine, if you choose the side of Jesus Christ you will be shut out of the system. They need this technology to implement revelation 13’s mark of the beast economic system. So it was written two thousand years ago in Gods holy word so it will be done. God didn’t instigate this plan but for warned of this plan.
Sundance, serious question?
How do we know President Trump is aware of these concerns?
All I see is him in favor of H1B visa, practically living with Elon and pulling people like David Sacks and other techies into his inner circle.
I don’t see him as aware, because of the reasons you state.
If we had a through criminal investigation of our corrupt visa system, and also how it ties in to college admissions, and more important, everyone who abused the system does prison time, then and only then can we talk about giving green cards to foreign students and increasing the cap on H1B.
It looks to me like PDJT sent Elon back out to sell it some other way, after there was pushback over the scoldings by Sacks and Ramaswamy, and Elon’s temper tantrums.
Someone who runs as clean an operation as he does, does not to me square with endorsing the increasing use of corruption and racketeering. If he’s aware of that and still supports it, shame on him; but I don’t think he knows.
Then there are Bondi and that Dancing Doctor.
Meanwhile, this:
https://www.rt.com/business/610347-top-earners-wealth-record/
Wow !!! What amazing comments !!!
I come to the treehouse for peace of mind and clarity of thought . I usually leave with more faith and knowledge !!! Thank-you everyone !!
We are never living in the past , only live a split second in the present . We are always living in the future . Fortunately, because of the Word of God we know the ending .
Thanks Sundance. Even Bernie Sanders is against the H1B system.
Right now I view Musk and Vivek as enemies inside the wire. It’s sad Trump can be so gullible sometimes. I thought Jared and Ivanka were bad. Hopefully Stephen Miller can talk some sense to him.
it will be the public talking sense into him like
what happened with the vaccines
What a bizarre world, right?
Bernie Sanders – Bernie Sanders!! – has issues with H1B visas.
While Musk and Ramaswamy defend them.
17 days until the inauguration.
President Trump has a full plate.
Stephen Miller and others will work on this – and something will happen,
down the road.
Work visas NEED serious reform. They hurt American workers.
President Trump will need to concentrate his administration’s early efforts on illegal immigration – and dealing with the millions of EWIs (Entered Without Inspection) – the torrent of aliens (the correct term in the INA – Immigration and Nationalization Act) the current administration has allowed into the country.
If Trump can remove the majority of them – he’ll have done more than any President in setting the nation’s course on a better heading.
There aren’t enough hours in the day, for all our new President needs to accomplish in the next 4 years.
May Divine Providence guide and protect him.
In videos and in photos, I keep seeing Elon Musk at PDJT’s side. At the dinner table during Trumps’ New Year’s Eve party, Musk was seated on PDJT’s right side.
Where is J.D. Vance? Why aren’t we seeing him standing or sitting next to PDJT, instead of Musk?
I think I know the answer, but I am not pleased to think this.
p.s. I want to see more Melania than Musk.
Musk doesn’t have a home to go to, while Vance does.
If Musk ever gets religion he will have a home to go to.
“Real ID connected to facial recognition, connected to personage, a digital identity and/or a track and trace capability is ultimately an assembled tech tool for control. Politically Exposed Persons are the most vulnerable.”
I have a question about Real ID. Full disclosure, I have one. From context I’m gleaning that Real ID BAD!! My question is, why?
I got my regular driver license shortly after moving to PA 5 years ago. 6 points of identification, standard stuff, nothing unusual or invasive. Two years ago, when it looked like I might have to travel for work, I looked into getting a Real ID. I went online and before I knew it I had one. It cost me $60. They used the information they already had on file for me from getting my regular license. They never asked for anything more. The only additional thing they got from me was the $60, so what is the big deal about Real ID? Is it that it is tied to a national/federal database whereas the regular license isn’t?
Channeling my inner David Byrne: “My God, what have I done?”
You can start learning about what’s wrong with Real ID here: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reject-real-id-qr-codes-twila-brase/
And don’t panic; lots of people are asking that question about the driver’s license, and they talk about it – I think that discussion was on this Financial Rebellion episode; if not, listen to other recent episodes.
Thank you for that link. I checked it out.
So, neither to accuse nor defend myself, but rather just to continue the discussion… It seems to me that Real ID in and of itself is not all that bad of a thing, at least not from a practical perspective. Philosophically and conceptually, however, I’ve been compliant with Big Brother, which I am not proud of, and I’ve added one more link to the chains (Real ID connected to facial recognition, connected to personage, etc…) that Big Brother wants to shackle me with. Death by 1,000 papercuts?
I’ve confirmed my reservation for a pod in the Matrix! ☹
I like Catherine Austin-Fitts’ illustration that each part is a fence section. No single section could possibly enclose you, and they like to point things like that out. If they are building an 8-sided corral around you, you don’t feel trapped even when 5 of them are in place. You maybe start getting nervous at 6, and at 7 the masks are off, but at that point there is only one direction you could even run and they expect it. The point is to be unexpected and unfenceable from the beginning so they can never finish all 8 sections before you have moved out to greener pastures.
I think there might be fewer fence sections around us than four years ago because there are many who have been actively creating an alternative economy, but the fence sections there are have gotten well hammered into place, not easily kicked over.
Staying under the radar ALWAYS and to the best of my ability……..
I daresay we here are Politically Exposed Persons.
Recall Sticky Nikki wanted to eliminate online anonymity . . .
No–her Oligarch Owners wanted it in order to crush dissenters and institute Chinee Social Credit Scores.
She only “wants” whatever they tell her to want.
“Folks, I know this is not a popular opinion, but I have always promised to call them exactly as the data aligns and as I see them unfolding,” and “Truth has no agenda.” The foregoing are THE two reasons I subscribe to the conservative treehouse, and no other. Those and the fact that you have no issue with saying you are wrong, if you think you are wrong.
I personally think Sundance is wrong in saying this isn’t a popular opinion. Because a whole lot of the comments so far seem to concur with what Sundance said. And my first instinct when I read the article below was to wonder, okay, why the sudden push for e-Verify? Didn’t we somehow manage to deport people before e-Verify was invented? Who manages the e-Verify data and what happens if they make a “mistake” with my own data?
And when they say it’s blue states that don’t want e-Verify, is that a way to cause my knee-jerk reaction of “blue-state policy, must be bad!” (The same reaction that kept me from realizing we do have massive election fraud because it was Democrats who said so, so I assumed they were lying when I should have looked into it back then.)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/01/trumps-secret-weapon-mass-deportations-e-verify/
My comment was an overall, general statement as to why I subscribe to the conservative treehouse. Like you, I now have the same knee-jerk reactions, and ask the same questions, about EVERYTHING. It is enough to say that I have been dealing with an overwhelming shattering, of every fiber of my being, for many years. At this point I trust VERY few. One thing I have learned here, and there is so much more, is wait and watch. I too am “LearningAsIGo.”
I have a lot of concerns about nueralink. Direct control over your sensory input. It could censor you at the source, your brain. Think of it, you look at and read words with your own eyes, but they never reach your brain. Instead you see something else. Or hear something else. Or feel something else. Your freewill, gone from you. Taken.
In a sense, this has already been happening throughout history.
We start with a basic set of natural tools (our physical body and mind, motivated by our spirit), but throughout our lives we’re inundated with various messages and types of coercion. These inputs inform our understanding of the world and our psychological responses.
An AI matrix is just another step along a path we’ve been on for years – a steering mechanism.
This type if thing is why I actively managed my child’s media intake and had honest discussions about her schoolwork, and also made sure to get her out in the world of nature and provide her with interesting/inspiring things to read.
We really are being brainwashed and AI is just an advanced tool in the toolbox (which is why they’re all salivating over it…)
Americans do not benefit from the technocrat bros surveillance, only they benefit.
Clearly the technocrat network intends to rack in mega profits by joining with gov to make the serfs behave.
Bingo!
In my opinion, the “tech bros” are like the “green scammers”… billionaires partnering with government for THIER benefit
Regardless of how anyone feels about Trump, Musk, etc. this is not going to end well for us little people.
While I am hopeful that we will have at least 4 more years of “liberty”, I am doubtful we will make it any longer than that.
In the meantime, I just keep buying stocks of all of his new buddies companies.
And everyone thought that Minority Report and The Island were just movies.
I just watched Minority Report the other night.
I enjoyed the series Dune:Prophecy which talks about the war on thinking machines. Even once the thinking machines were defeated and outlawed, they were still being used by those seeking ultimate control.
So many movies are proving to be prophetic. A cult fave is Equilibrium. I used to think it unlikely but we keep getting closer to it.
I understand the surveillance state is coming and coming on strong. Artificial Intelligence can be used for the good or bad of mankind.
I’m already 74 years old. President Trump is 78 years old. I don’t want to sound negative but our direct influence on the world is winding down.
The future, as always, is in the hands of our young folk. Establishing healthy, strong relationships with our young people may help them live in the AI world.
74 here and I devote lots of time trying to help my sons and grandchildren develop solid values and a sense of self efficacy.
Yes, that’s exactly my point. Thank you for your reply.
Until Elon ditches Neuralink, renounces his transhuman religion, eliminates his dependency on the CCP for his wealth, and shows true America First sympathies, and breaks with Peter Thiel and David Sacks, not sane American should trust him – and Vivek and Vance for that matter. I appreciate the things he has done but will probably never trust him. To me he is (metaphorically) an example of Satan going through an “angel of light” phase.
Sidney, I love your posts.
The thing about AI is , it will never be smarter than we are . I read an article about how much faster a computer can calculate than a human . Like 5 million times faster . But that’s not the sum of thought and knowledge . I may not be able to calculate PI very far , but I can think about a girlfriend from 30 years ago at the same time and make a mental shopping list all the while scatching my ass . Let’s see Elon program that ! We will prevail one way or another .
As far as the USA not having people smart enough and needing H1B to make up for it , I work in a small factory making pigment for paint , plastic and paper . From the lowest operator to mechanics and planners and electricians and bosses and engineers etc .there are some real world geniuses here . The kind of people who put out oil well fires and rescue men buried in mines and fix machinery that should have been scraped long ago. In reality the kind of men that just ” want to be left alone ” to live thier lives . The kind of guys you would want to be sitting in a foxhole with .
Americans.
Make no mistake we are dufferent.
👍 👍 👍
Oh yeah , I have not and will never comply.
I still don’t have the real.I.D. Don’t plan on flying anywhere. Or going into a federal building. So when it’s up for renewal.
In a few years I’ll get one.
Throw sand in the gears whenever you can. But eventually we’re all gonna be in the database if we’re not already.
I had to renew so I now have one. A creepier thing I have never seen. Embarrassed to be seen with it in my wallet.
“The surveillance state diminishes liberty; it needs to be confronted as it surfaces.
Thankfully, President Trump is aware of these concerns.”
I’m not so sure about that. He just called on the CIA to save us.
yeh, I wonder about his awareness on many things.
When Johnson (could have been Jefferies?) talked of returning ‘power to the people’…..the lack of applause was deafening as compared to other statements that garnered applause…
I cannot help but feel they, on both sides of the aisle, in spite of saying all the appropriate patriotic clichés…
Did not feel it in their hearts.
Boy is he late to the party on this Tommy speaking out & the rape gangs issue! Remember the last time he came out of jail looking emaciated?
When I saw Musk posting about I thought hmm, this looks like desperation to appeal to those he has pissed off on the h1b stuff… along with the Maximus Pepe profile change. Just sayin.