Joe Rogan proves a truism that many people have forgotten. Modern leftists and communist ideologues spend so much time inside their own tribal echo-chamber, they do not know what to do when confronted by intellectual arguments and truth.
This is why media are so careful about who they will permit to appear on their broadcasts and panel discussions. This is also why Big Tech needs to protect leftists by blocking anyone who carries an ability to challenge the fallacies.
If you have strong skills at framing your arguments; and if you are a quick thinker that is able to see the false premise as it is being narrated; you can chew up these progressive communists in real time. They don’t talk about it, but they know that. This is also why the White House press corps is so carefully filtered. If you put on the armor of truth and confront pundits, spokespeople and leftist engineers with factual assertions – they stutter, stammer and stumble.
Leftists, particularly the modern progressive leftists, have no capacity for strength in debate, because they never leave their bubbles. Everything false in their compartmentalized world view makes sense, because it is never exposed to intellectual rigor and debate. In this excellent example, CNN’s Chief Medical Corespondent Sanjay Gupta appeared on the Joe Rogan podcast and was completely unequipped for the subtle but direct intellectual arguments and points raised.
These three video segments below are a case-study in deconstructing and confronting the fallacies of the illogical leftist mind. Gupta went from having a high opinion of his own intellectual self, to being a puddle of moonbat mush under the microphone. ENJOY.
♦ First segment. Joe Rogan points out the fallacy of fear behind COVID {Direct Rumble Link}. Statistics and research show unvaccinated children are not at risk of death from COVID. In fact, they are far less at risk than vaccinated adults. So why all the focus on jabbing a population that is not at risk?
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♦ Second segment. Joe Rogan confronts Gupta about his own network CNN lying about Ivermectin and calling it a “horse dewormer”. {Direct Rumble Link}
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♦ Third Segment. Joe Rogan confronts Sanjay Gupta over the Wuhan Lab as the epicenter of the SARS-CoV-2 breakout. Rogan challenges Gupta to explain why gain of function research was taking place and why the National Institute of Health has lied about it. {Direct Rumble Link}
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I give Gupta credit for showing up at least although it’s probably his time!
“This is why media are so careful about who they will permit to appear on their broadcasts”
Example from Amanda Milius:
Milius, director of The Plot Against the President, recalled how the producer for Real Time with Bill Maher demanded she hype the events of January 6th at the Capitol as a condition of participation on the show.
She shared, “When I was trying to go on Bill Maher for the Russiagate stuff — because he’s been awoken on that — I had this wacky talk with his producer and they were like, basically,
‘You can’t come on the show unless you’re willing to say that January 6th is the worst thing that ever happened, worse than World War II, blah blah blah,’
and I was like, ‘No, I don’t even think about it, because it was just stupid.’”
I watched her on Viva/Barnes (Rumble May 26th)… She worked in PDJTs State Dept… Interesting interview – she explains just how things in these departments “work on their own”!
I would have been willing to say that, however with a twist they were not expecting. Congress rubberstamping a fraudulent election for the President of the United States was worse than the Civil War or the attack on Pearl Harbor. If the 4th branch can control national elections for President, the country has been defeated. Congress surrendered without so much as a whimper.
He has a book to hawk.
“CNN’s Chief Medical Correspondent Sanjay Gupta”
Think about that for a moment. That is the best CNN can do. Taken down by what the left would deride as just a talk radio host. Who supposedly took horse medicine.
The left are ignorant sheep because their shepherds are just as ignorant as they are.
It seems a willful ignorance–a lack of intellectual curiosity. They contently exist in their leftist bubble, collaborating within their tribal groupthink and they instantly reject anything outside their worldview. It’s sad, really.
It’s not sad, it’s willful criminal conduct.
When billions of people take Ivermectin and proves effective then government denies its use and threatens doctors loss of their licenses, ITS A CRIMINAL act.
Tyranny is federal government leveraging economic contracts to favor an outcome “THEY” desire.
The Alaska Watchman just reported a man hospitalized in Anchorage for Covid was begging for Ivermectin and IV vitamin therapy. The hospital reluctantly gave him the IV vitamins but denied him Ivermectin. He died. For the life of me I cannot understand how health care professionals can purposely let a patient die knowing ivermectin may save the patient’s life.
This is a phenomenon known as “not invented here”. Because the ivermectin therapy was not started by AMA accredited rules and regs and all the hoops jumped there is not officially sanctioned protocol for it’s use. This leaves any Dr or hospital that uses it exposes themselves to lawsuit and being denied accreditation. This is how the medical guild controls everyone who joins and who actually gets to join. You do it their way or they kick you out and all your expensive education, experience goes down the drain. Only those Drs. who have either nothing to lose or are sheltered in some other way will go against the guild.
Now why have they not approved an investigation? Because too many Dr and health providers are tied up with Pharma who has millions invested and billions of profits in the future by keeping out ivermectin from the table of usable therapies for their over hyped virus. Other countries have different rules and laws that caused them to be able to put into place the ivermectin therapy first because of the number of people affected and that they could get the medicine on their own so the country went along with it and became applauded for it. That’s India. Here we strictly control all medicines so you can only get certain medicines after seeing a authorized gate keeper. Unless the guild makes money from a procedure you will find they usually ignore it despite any facts of reality that would tend to allow it. I’ve experienced this myself and only after days of arguing (and the fact that previous drs agreed with me) was my therapy changed for another condition but it taught me that they do not perform medicine for the patients good health. They are in the business of selling drugs and procedures that may or may not help certain people. If the number of people helped is low then they may not bother developing and authorizing a procedure or drug.
Other countries don’t work that way and their citizens can access drugs on their own with out seeing a guild approved dr.
When enough people stand up and start suing because the health care people did not provide medicine then we will see that change. It’s already happening with big pharma coming out with a pill that can knock out covid. It’s actual production cost is less than 15$ but they will charge 700$ to get it.
Ivermectin is too cheap and only a few pills will do the trick. India provided kits to people which knocked out covid. Total cost was about 3$ and they now have almost zero deaths from covid.
Of course one thing is they actually count infected and deaths properly and do not play numbers games.
Our country has been taken over for years now and manipulated and dumbed down to the point where this can happen and large numbers of people are taken in by it with the media unwilling to inform anyone about it. We’re being farmed. Like cattle or sheep.
Excellent point not only are doctor’s controlled but the lawyers have ruined the country, everything is legal bullshit
Look no further than congress to realize lawyers have ruined everything.
Don’t vote for lawyers if you can…
Either make the law or serve the law…
NOT BOTH!!!
The media is 6 mega corporations. One of their biggest income streams is Big Pharma. Count the percentage of Big Pharma ads during a show some time. Ivermectin’s patent has expired, it is worth nothing to Big Pharma, so the media pushes the “Ivermectin bad” line.
Follow the money. True in ALL things.
Farmed….like ants do to aphids……
Yes. There are also rumors that Ivermectin may cure other diseases- cancer for example. Imagine an inexpensive pill that is off patent shutting down all their expensive, painful and too often unsuccessful cancer treatments and centers.
Maybe that’s the reason it’s verboten.
The first time I noticed what you were talking about is in medical research they come up with drugs that manage the symptoms but not cure the condition. That way the patient has to keep buying the drug to keep their symptoms under control rather than by a single treatment that eliminates the condition. i am sure that cures are a lot harder to make than drugs that control the symptoms.
It is the direction that medical research has taken that concerns me. One of the drawbacks of a capitalist medical industry is that it more profitable to mange symptoms than cure the disease. I don’t know what the answer is. It does seem that medical care is far less expensive overseas than here.
This is murder, it’s intentional. And the fact that hospitals are paid for Covid deaths makes it capital murder.
Billygoat: I agree completely. They are knowingly and intentionally killing people for money. It has to stop and it will stop the only question that remains is how far do we have to go to make it stop.
Rescind the CARES Act. That will dry up the money.
They are told they will lose their livelihood, and perhaps freedom, if they prescribe counter to federal rules (not even laws).
Hmmmm . . . it seems that LOTS of people today are faced with losing their livelihood and freedom because they’re refusing the jab, and what do they do? Oh, that’s right. They QUIT!
“I must follow CDC guidelines” is the exact same thing as Nazi’s saying “I was just following orders.” When your “job requirements” prevent or require you to kill people off, it’s time to find another job!
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I am actually stunned that people know this and do NOT have IVM on hand… Buy the damn horse wormer (I have it on hand) and use it before you actually need these damn drs and for sure, hospitals!!!
People should have the common courtesy to keep IVM on hand at home so that they don’t need to walk into the local farm and ranch supply store when they could be infectious. Have mercy and be responsible.
Oh, please. If you have no symptoms, you have no viral load to shed.
What I am saying is that if you hold off on picking up IVM until you are not feeling well and think you may have COVID, you may expose other persons. I am not suggesting that people who feel well are potentially hazardous.
You were quite clear to me!
Exactly what I tell as many people as I can. Keep it on hand, if not for you then someone close to you. A quick internet search will give you all the info you need to purchase online. Never go to a hospital with symptoms as before you know it you’ll be on a vent and your loved ones won’t be of any help at that point.
Remember the Pfizer contract terms?
The one that read countries must agree to offer only the Pfizer vaccine and no early therapeutics?
One of the Doctors on the FLCCC said that once a Covid-19 patient is hospitalized he can’t have the hospital prescribe Ivermectin for that patient. The only way is if a family member was able to give it to them secretly! Unbelievable!
It’s terrible. It has been said that Russians (l heard this when it was the USSR) avoided hospitalization because it was similar to a death sentence. This is now us.
They are not ignorant, they totally are aware of what they are doing or are told what to do and say. Luckily no one is watching CNN anymore.
It’s not willful ignorance. It’s that one’s paycheck depends on saying the exact opposite.
Paycheck, and reputation, and standing in one’s chosen circle of friends
Check out this psychologist, who has outlined exactly how dangerous that “bubble” actually is when left unchecked. He posits that 30 percent free-thinking patriots can pop that bubble or, as Sundance puts it, keep “throwing sand in the machine.”
But to break through the bubble successfully, we must consider that their thinking is akin to mass “hypnosis,” and proceed accordingly.
The collective, hive mind is a *very* dangerous thing when totalitarians take the reins to shepherd the sheeple. The herd goes all in, without rhyme or reason.
And this vax mandate-that’s-not-a-mandate may be just the ticket to get that ‘30 percent’ momentum going before it’s too late.
I deliberately omitted the first “h” in the link below:
tpps://johnwaters.substack.com/p/covid-totalitarianism-the-deification
Sorry.. remove *everything* before the colon and add
HTTps
Autocorrect can make life difficult.
Ditto. Certain members of my extended family get angry if their bubble is punctured. They don’t want to know the truth, and get angry if forced to face it.
That’s my husband. I believe he is vax injured but he will NOT discuss it. If I could ever get a word in edgewise, I would implore him to take a D-Dimer blood test, blood thinners and Ivermectin.
But he completely shuts down my concerns before he even hears them, and he dismisses my doctor-prescribed Ivermectin as “horse medicine.”
I don’t think he will be with us for much longer. And that’s such a shame because his vaccine injuries were so unnecessary and possibly PREVENTABLE.
I know he will kick himself good if he goes to bed and ‘wakes up’ on the other side of the veil.
Gupta’s eyes look like he inherited them from Satan himself!
The sheep being driven over the cliff by shepherds that have gone koo-koo with power
“The left are ignorant sheep because their shepherds are just as ignorant as they are.”
Spot on! In keeping with the subject matter, when the opinions of j-school graduates become the stuff of gospel, we need to step back and examine the messenger. Most “news influencers” are actors, performing a part for an audience (and their editors). They are no more capable of critical path sequencing than your average buffoon. Hence, narratives.
Lets go Brandon…proves your point.
It isn’t mere ignorance, at least not on the part of the shepherds. It is a deliberate, calculated misinformation campaign designed to get people dependent on Big Pharma and to keep them ignorant of the facts about effective treatments. Ignorance could be overcome; the Left’s aggressive plan of lies and deceit cannot.
This is because the left relies on “feelz” instead of logic and reason. It almost doesn’t matter what point Rogan makes or if he turns Gupta into a stuttering mess. The left followers will see and hear what they want.
“So what you’re saying is…”
Mamet principle in action.
In order to continue advancing their illogical arguments modern liberals have to pretend not to know things…
David Mamet
Rogan kind of makes a point here about children that many are not hearing, and it needs to be said much more often.
Children are not as vulnerable to severe illness from COVID. We know that.
The point that needs repeating is, rather than kids getting the virus and having much better immunity naturally to whatever other variant is claimed to be out there, some parents are demanding their kids not only risk their health with the shot, but repeatedly do so with boosters.
I just cannot understand the thinking of parents who would do that to their kids.
I just cannot understand the thinking of parents who would do that to their kids.
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They’re narcissists who’ve bought into the Mussolini maxim: “Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.”
The white upper and middle class leftards model that in their minds, but they are outnumbered by poor leftards who cannot figure out even the most simplest of things. The former work in government, public education, the media, big tech, and have deceived the latter.
They are brainwashed by the television that uses subliminal programming and entrainment techniques.
Each of us is also susceptible to it. That’s why they keep up the controlled opposition like fox to make sure people get their daily dose of mindnumbing conditioning.
Want freedom? Start by eliminating your television.
Apparently, once they can get YOU to take the jab, then the child thing is easier.
That’s the extraordinary aspect of this mind f***ery they have employed to force the jab on everyone. They have been able to make so many ignore a human’s most basic instinct – to protect their young at all cost.
Once they propagandize and coerce YOU into the jab, your resilience collapses and your mind buys in completely to the bamboozle. “I’m OK, so I guess it’ll be fine for the kids too”.
Remember how doctors used to be some of the most respected humans on the planet? That was before countless numbers of them became complicit in denying millions seeking early treatment (prophylactics etc.) but instead sent them off to sicken and die. “Sorry, orders from above say there is no early treatment. Go home and rest”.
Now your doctor is complicit in child abuse AND mass murder. As if mass murder wasn’t enough for those who swore to “Do No Harm”.
Next time you see your doctor – confront him/her! And make sure his/her whole office hears your words. Shaming is the least that should happen to these quacks.
“I was only following orders” didn’t work too well for the Nazis at Nuremberg.
“They have been able to make so many ignore a human’s most basic instinct – to protect their young at all cost.”
Actually what they have done is convince parents that they are protecting their young. It started with the masks and the idea that “they might help a little so it’s better than nothing.” When you try to explain that the physical, social, mental effects on their children being masked all day at school is WORSE than the effects of the virus, they cannot accept that. It’s like they can’t understand what 99.9% chance of NOT getting the virus or getting deathly sick with it means. Media propaganda fear-mongering has worked very well.
The generations raised in the age of social media are forever lost to the whims of big techs “humanirarian” impulses.
Agreed. The “herd” used to be a physical group of people. Somebody would stumble into town and bend the ear of those within their immediate proximity.
But now that those ‘town criers’ are instantly zapped into every living room, every tablet and every smart phone, it’s a whole new ballgame. Big tech is complicit in the mass murder of human beings to herald their Great Reset.
Globalists aim to turn any and all “survivors” into AI hybrids. This is all about transhumanism.
God will not be mocked.
At one extreme we know parents exist who would strap on suicide vests on their kids and send them to their death. Therefore it’s not a stretch to imagine parents who would willingly and blindly jab their kids because scientists said so also exist.
Those parents think their kids are getting express tickets to paradise and earning tickets for a great number of their family members too.
Why do they think that? Because they are being programmed by their television.
My comment was about the parents who are okay with their kids strapping on suicide vests. The programming is from a book and a culture.
Is it really much different than those ‘woke’ parents and grandparents, who believe *they* also stand to benefit, from masking and injecting experimental biological agents into their perfectly healthy children?
The very same short-sighted and selfish mentality always applies: It’s all about ME.
They seem so reliant on those who spout about “science” but believe there is such a thing as “settled science” –
when I first heard that term, “settled science” it struck my ears as a very perverse concept –
isn’t science NEVER settled? Science is all about proving things, improving upon our understanding of everything in the universe that we can know –
“settled science” was the the Catholic Church prosecuting and persecuting Galileo
Bingo. Alex, tell him about his prize.
I kill the leftists all the time when they spout this crap. Don’t you believe in science.
My answer. Sure, lets talk about the scientific method.
The conversation usually ends right about then.
Precisely, Susan. Those who talk about ‘settled science’ regarding global warming and other issues forget that they benefit from ‘unsettled science’ every day with improvements in medications, cures for diseases, and inventions that make our lives easier.
Those who utter the words ‘settled science’ do not know anything about science. Science is not politics or agendas or narratives. Science is truths. If the facts do not prove the theory you do not throw away the facts, you throw away the theory. Imagine that. But so many college educated ‘smart’ people I know could not describe the scientific method and its importance.
Watching Gupta in these clips shows someone more interested in parsing his words so as not to say something his employer will not like than in saying what he actually believes and knows. Under Rogan’s questions his ‘brilliant’ mind just can’t think quickly enough about what he needs to say vs. what he may want to say. With no teleprompter in front of him he is a stammering fool.
Reminds me of someone else…. Name starts with an O I think? /s
Well, science used to be about finding the truth, but then science pointed to Creator God, and suddenly scientists didn’t want science to be about truth anymore. Instead, they inserted their own agendas and twisted it to “say” whatever they wanted it to–(namely, that there is no God)!
Ever since then, science has been garbage. (Here’s an example: How many explosions–a la, big bang theory–do you know of that created order as opposed to chaos? Yeah, NONE! Total BS.)
What they really mean is that the “argument” is settled, ie.. they absolutely refuse to take part in a rational debate. This is because their arguments quickly fall apart against an evidence-based discussion. Their “arguments” are based purely on irrational, emotional reactions to flawed, ideological concepts.
He should of made the point that the chance of dying is less than .02% no matter what the age. With pretreatment is is even less for any age! What’s the point when adverse reaction are so high compared to other vans
This is simply the polar opposite of those parents that refuse to vaccinate their children at all, by claiming all vaccines are dangerous. They’re the group that anyone citing resistance to only this covid vaccine is being lumped into. The so-called Anti-vaxers.
The question Joe didn’t ask (out of professional courtesy), “After I’m done with you here, do you think your bosses at CNN will watch our interview and be pleased with your performance?”
It was an artful kneecapping delivered by Joe Rogan. Not harsh or violent but Gupta could walk out from that interview under the door.
You mean slither under the door, like the snake he is.
Alternate headline: Sanjay Gupta Revealed Yet Again as a Useless Marxist Idiot
“We may never know” is all this CNN clown can say to protect his liberal pals
True, and that is NOT a scientific answer.
“Am I vaxxed? Neigh.”
Nobody has in fact been “vaccinated” against Covid because, unlike natural immunity from an actual Covid infection, random variants will always render “vaccine” immunity obsolete.
The “test subjects” have therefore been injected with an experimental biological agent, with essentially zero benefit and ENORMOUS RISKS.
Enter their continuous mRNA boosters to chase all these random, new variants, until people drop dead from the blood clots and the pathogenic spike protein damage.
Always remember that 99.98 percent of the population who contracted Covid-19 recovered. And that was before early therapeutics were widely available.
So why this *urgent* need for human mRNA ‘experiments’ that Big Harma is not legally liable for?
The boosters, however, aren’t targeted at the variants, they are more of the exact same crap, crushing immune systems, driving variants, and scarcely as effective as a placebo for the lifetime of an ephemeral.
Still, profitable and useful for the tyrants of this world.
Look, HQC is Quinine which has been used by the British Army in India, Africa and the Middle East for 200 years with no issues. Gupta is Indian and he knows that very well. HQC has also been used to treat Lupus patients since 1940. It’s the gold standard for reducing inflammation caused by Lupus and is taken in large doses on a daily basis. In fact, the American Lupus Foundation has it listed as the primary treatment with no side effects. Gupta knows that too! So, why does he pretend not to know something? Well, his comfortable life and huge paycheck clears his conscious!
You can drink tonic water which contains Quinine Hydrochloride and acts similar to HCQ. I don’t recommend drinking it all the time as many ingredients aren’t all that healthy but if no other options and get ill it is still better to take sips of this with your zinc to allow better cell absorption and another thing to note outside of Vitamins C, D, Magnesium, Zinc is Quercetin.
Two New Studies Test Quercetin And Covid Outcomes
by Dr. Joseph Mercola (fact checked)
October14,2021
In an August 21, 2021, newsletter,1 Dr. Michael Murray discussed the use of quercetin for respiratory infection symptoms. In November 2020, he’d suffered a “very mild and brief bout of COVID-19.”
He also recounts an anecdotal story of a friend who developed suspicious respiratory symptoms. His friend had been taking a number of supplements said to offer protection, but was still feeling awful.
As it turns out, the one thing he’d not taken was quercetin, and as soon as he did, that same day, his symptoms started to dissipate. This experience, Murray says, “is consistent with the results from two clinical trials” that were recently published.
Quercetin seems to be a safe, far less expensive, and easier-to-obtain and it works by a similar mechanism, driving zinc into the cells to stop viral replication.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/10/14/quercetin-improves-covid-outcomes.aspx?ui=d08965eb844bf06b27b6c0a3d1e6f7a74766bf0a59c3c95ed8421d0f630b9e8c&sd=20110531&cid_source=prnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20211014&mid=DM1018200&rid=1292206710
Also take baby aspirin if you fall ill as this will keep blood clotting down and is said do reduce effects of SARS-Cov-2 by about 50%.
Your summary conclusion is spot on
Maybe he has no conscience to be conscious of.
Both my parents took HCQ for over 20 years to combat rheumatoid arthritis. Their doctors had no problem prescribing off label treatments because it worked for them.
I’m been trying to pinpoint exactly why this “pretend not to know something” annoys me so much. I think it’s because I don’t believe they’re “pretending.”
So let’s just put it out there: They know, but they’re intentionally, blatantly, arrogantly, gleefully LYING about it to further an agenda.
Pretending is what little kids do for fun. This is much more sinister than that, and in my view, when we say they’re just “pretending not to know,” it lets them off the hook because all that means is, “They’re playing dumb.”
No, they KNOW, and they’re purposely spreading lies to deceive us.
Semantics aside, what is the intended benefit to humanity of this type of virus modification? The only answer i’ve heard to this question is that humanity gains an understanding of future threat from potential natural viral evolution; understanding here that “natural” may include risks associated with man’s role in putting animal species in non-native environments. If this is indeed the case, then I’d really like to hear about some examples of said future threats being mitigated because it’s otherwise hard to see how any of this fulfills any purpose other than biowarfare.
Gain of function is all about population control(reduction) and biological warfare. Basically, nations can turn viruses and germs into the nuclear weapons of the 21st century.
Proponents like Tony Fauci (biggest proponent) claim gain-of-function research is needed so as to be prepared when deadly viruses emerge from nature. This is like looking for a gas leak using a lighter.
Brilliant analogy!
Excellent point-“like looking for a gas leak using a lighter.” !!!
2cups
Thoughtful post thank you.
Interestingly one of the aims of the global warming cabal is the so called “rewilding” of the world after they herd the reduced population into high rise communes.
Globalists know that Mother Nature regenerates the planet. They fully intend to reap all her natural rewards, while confining us serfs to their concrete, high-density, workforce cities.
In the globalist’s utopia, the natural world will no longer be ‘defiled’ by us common peasants. We will not live in rural areas or access the mountains and the beaches.
Instead, we are currently being converted into trans-human slaves for their exploitation and amusement. That’s why their green new deal and social credit schemes were designed to severely limit travel, legal tender and commerce.
Our ‘betters’ think we won’t catch on in time to stop them. Censorship is therefore essential, and I fully expect the “long dark winter” they promised, to include an abrupt communications interruption.
Please plan ahead for that inevitability.
Listen to what Gupta said. Gain of function is taking two different viruses and splicing them together to see if it creates something worse with the hope of preparing for the future should it happen. By definition the result doesn’t even exist until some stupid ass scientist creates said virus in order to study said virus. It is biowarfare at its very core. They are creating a virus that did not exist.
yes
they are creating bioweaponry
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.. and that is why they refuse to publish the complete Covid-19 genome or list every mRNA injection ingredient. When scientists and lab techs find something like magnetic graphene oxide in ModeRNA injections, for example, they are immediately explained away as “contaminants.”
Oh really?
We just “happened” to find HIV inside the Covid-19 virus bioweapon and -oopsy daisy- who knew that transhumanist potions like Graphene Oxide and Luciferase were “contaminating” their subsequent injections?
Righttttttttt..
Covid-19 AND mRNA injections are the biological equivalent of an arms race. These Dr Frankensteins hope to stay one step ahead in the bioweapons race with the latest treatments and antidotes.
But Pandora’s box is wide open. Only natural immunity can save humanity now.
And, of course, NUREMBERG II trials to punish those criminals who exploited the plandemic in order to surreptitiously advance their ungodly transhumanism experiments in the name of “mRNA vaccines.”
Here’s another example of what happens when Leftists come out of the echo chamber and get hit with a real question:
This is what happens when a journalist asks a “really good question.” This is precisely why “really good questions” are rarely asked at the WH propaganda sessions.
Was in VT recently—drove right past their plant/store/tourist area—-just left them in our rearview mirror.????????
But voting rights aren’t being violated in Texas and Georgia with their tiny smallish attempt at making election fraud moderately less easy. Sigh.
My goodness. If only we had GOP reps (other than Rand Paul and Ron Johnson) who would hold their feet to the fire like Joe Rogan does.
You mean the expensive alcohol slurping RINO country club buffet munchers taking stock tips and campaign donations to sell out the United States and U.S. workers?
Yes. Them. 🙂
I apologize for digressing but your avatar wouldn’t be the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man (AKA “Tubby Soft-Squeeze”) who marched down Central Park West in the film Ghostbusters, like Oral Robert’s 1980 “inner eye vision” of a 900 foot Jesus coming to kill him if his donors didn’t come up with another $4.5 million dollars, would it?
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MTG certainly holds everyones feet to the fire. That is why no committees.
Except for the American Presidential Coup and its perpetrators….totally absent on what matters most.
In my opinion, he was just there to bolster his career NOT to defend the long string of fallacies which comprise his worldview. He chose the wrong forum.
I enjoy Joe Rogan…mostly because I am a huge fan of MMA, going back to the early days when it was no rules, even before Joe’s time. Sue me.
I think the questions he made are very good….but there is the one that was not asked. the one that goes much deeper than just comparing the “feeling” of what your understand your risk to be.
it’s about choice. How DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CHOICE?
If you feel your choice is best for you, why would you NOT RESPECT the same CHOICE of another?
ultimately, this is what the entire framework breaks down into quanta.
The act of taking any drug requires a choice.
Choice is human agency.
We have to start respecting that, even and especially if it is offensive to us.
In these terms, we understand choice regardless of the risks or not, is to be protected and not abused.
Children are a special protected class of humans…they have little understanding and experience with matters of the world and of course mRNA…or the virus. This is where we must place the responsibility of choice squarely on those who are most responsible for their welfare. They parents! Those who care and love them. Those that will have to deal with consequences either way.
When the “state” intrudes into this relationship, even if driven by some well meaning intent, cancels and shunts the relationships between Parents and their children.
This must stop. If allowed, it is very clear where this is going: we are already seeing what it has become.
and children and their parents are no better off from the experience.
God Bless America
You mentioned that Rogan failed to ask a certain question, but have you watched the entire interview? It is 3 hours 8 minutes long. I haven’t watched it yet, but the 3 videos above are just a small part of the total interview. Perhaps he did ask that question.
I generally don’t like joining sites (not on facebook or twitter for example), but I did join Spotify to listen to the Joe Rogan Experience. It was quite easy to join and I haven’t gotten any spam or emails or anything of that sort, so you might want to consider joining. They’ve got lots of other content on there that I haven’t really looked at, but the Joe Rogan show plays without any buffering or glitches. It does take a little while to get used to the site, but pretty easy overall.
I listen to Joe Rogan regularly and really value his discussions. Also on Spotify is “Conservative review with Daniel Horowitz” Really good info on all things related to the truth of the covid virus. Includes Interviews with Dr. Pierre Kory and Peter McCullough and many other qualified people. If you want the FACTS I highly recommend this podcasts as well!
I watched the series Sundance linked.
Regardless that he may or may not have drilled down to the quanta, the “argument” frame of reference I stated, is one that belongs to EVERY single situation is life.
Choice IS human agency.
If not, there is only pretending….or worse, expecting someone else to take responsibility.
Yeah, what happened to “My body, my choice”?
Just saying….
Well said. Bottom line choice = freedom and inversely freedom = choice.
But then again most liberals are showing themselves to be really bad at “math.”
and also bad at choices
Amen..?… exactly ..?..???
So, according to your logic if “Choice is human agency. We have to start respecting that even , and especially if it is offensive to us.” Somehow, if we are in a situation where the leftists or fascists make a choice that is offensive to us, we must respect it? Example: Your choice is to enslave or kill me, I must respect your choice ?
Did you want to clarify what you are saying?
Okay, good. lets take that and run with it.
my personal choice about how I CONDUCT MY OWN AFFAIRS (specifically, that I will or will not jab an unproven, unsafe drug INTO MY OWN BODY) has zero effects or consequences to your own.
So, lets at least agree that is true.
One the other hand, and this is where things are definitely going to get messy, but also a certain clarity about what choice can mean when discussing effects on others: accountability and responsibility.
If the transgender kid has a choice, we are not required to also follow that lowest denominator as the rule and force our kids to go to the same schools and function.
if the taliban, making a choice to kill you because you are of course the great infidel, we also have a choice to put up a fight and not risk the abuse.
for almost all situations, personal choices do not bleed over into the lives of others. My faith for instance is one that is by definition, restricted to my relationship with God. That faith depends and effects no one else.
But when those choices do impact the lives of others, then the “rules” do change as they must. The entire point of society, community, family, is that accommodations of choice are made without creating a one size fits all. That is how it should operate. If we all did the same thing, there would be no reasons to have social structure, nor would there be any desire to have new experiences that might make us better people!
Choice is a protective idea, but it also forces us in practice to resist the temptation that we can decide what is best for someone else. When applied in this way, respecting and accepting the choices of others (with reasons and safety of course) is paramount.
Your point is quite valid. The choices you are discusses traverses the lines and is actually not in contradiction to the choice argument I provided.
think about it.
First, I see what you’re saying about taking or not taking the covid shot. I think my choice NOT to take it shouldn’t be a concern for any one else. However, the jabbers do not respect my choice and are playing by a different set of rules. They think I need to be made to choose their choice! And apparently many of those vaccinated align with their thinking and see the unvaxxed as potential killers! What an immense and stinky can of worms. I have chosen to actually smell an earthworm–they have a noxious odor.
Secondly, I do believe that certain personal choices I make will spill over and affect the lives of others. Drinking and driving is one example. I would not respect that choice at all. We are often affected by the choices others make. Many people chose to cheat and committed massive fraud in the last election. Their feral choice definitely harmed our citizens and our country. They made the choice for me!
Thanks for the discussion. I had to think about it and that was good. I’m still thinking. That’s why I read the articles and a lot of the comments on CTH. Food for thought.
Next Joe Rogan experience interview:
Jeff Zucker.
I would pay per view that twice the fee.
lets go brandon!
Lefties will not go on any Conservative shows (as a whole, this Sanjay is an exception?) as well as no Lefty show will have on anyone that runs to the right! The meat and potatoes is the Right has facts and data, the Left has emotion. Big difference.
Kudos to Joe Rogan for trying to break thru Sanjay Gupta’s brain that’s been hardwired for Covid Propaganda Message.
That was pretty brilliant!
Is CNN playing another “fool the rubes” game here in ALLOWING Rogan’s interview with Sanjay? Are they positioning Dr. GUPPY for his still being viable when the awful truth reaches a critical mass of angry citizens? The long game is as Sundance says it is. For instance “See, Sanjay was open to questions, wasn’t he? We just didn’t know what we know now………!!! They are too clever by half.—IMO.
On the other hand, can they still deny they “knew” anything as long as this interview — and all the independent reports, studies, evidence, facts, science available to anyone willing to discover them — is still accessible? It denies that very denial. The facts are indisputably with Rogan’s exposure of them, and can be looked up and confirmed.
Perhaps Gupta has been too arrogant to appear too clever this time around, with the indisputable mountains of studies, reports, history, facts, evidence, and science, and that has indelibly stained all the rest of those CNN/MSM frauds?
It really appears that Gupta was just too arrogant; he fatally underestimated Rogan — and his audience.
Yeah, he hawked . . . what book? ;-D
The writer Gore Vidal used to complain that interviewers never asked the “second question”.
The second question is “Senator, you didn’t answer my first question”.
It’s not a juggernaut. The profession of full-time obfuscators and circumlocutors, like Jen Psaki, has been created to never answer the first or second question, and do it in a way that confuses the gullible.
Gupta is used to speaking on-air to fellow leftists who accept inane answers, and just keep moving from one topic to another. Dealing with a serious interviewer who asks the second question is above his pay grade.
On cable TV, be it CNN or Fox, avoiding certain topics and doing it smoothly is a huge part of their job. Melissa Francis abruptly cut off Newt Gingrich when he raised the name of George Soros, and it cost her her job.
I said this, emphatically, during the entire Trump administration. “Our” side always played defense on every media interview and could never get a salient point across.
I’ll say it again: We need to go on the OFFENSE at every single media opportunity. Every one of them. Forget *their* taking points .
Completely ignore the “approved” topic for discussion and go off on a tangent. Some brave newscasters have done just that on their live broadcasts.
We need to take this same strategy EVERYWHERE.
Go on Tucker, or any news mafia for that matter, and immediately CHANGE THE SUBJECT. Go completely off topic:
•WHY MUST WE INJECT HEALTHY CHILDREN?
•WHY ARE THEY CALLED VACCINES when they don’t provide immunity beyond four months? WHY DID THE CDC RECENTLY DECIDE TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF IMMUNITY?
•WHY ARE WE COMPLETELY IGNORING NATURAL IMMUNITY? Millions have already recovered from Covid and variants. We are no danger to them and they are no danger to us!
•WHY IS LETHAL MAGNETIC GRAPHENE OXIDE FOUND IN SO MANY OF THESE VACCINES? Japan rejected over a million ModeRNA injections. People are sticking magnets to their foreheads..
•WHAT IS TRANSHUMANISM AND HOW DOES GRAPHENE OXIDE AND LUCIFERASE FIT INTO THIS PICTURE?
•ARE VACCINE PASSPORTS A MEANS TO THE CHINESE SOCIAL CREDIT PROGRAMS that abolish CURRENCY and restrict all MOVEMENT?
•IS THE USA STILL A FREE AND SOVEREIGN CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC AFTER THE TREASONOUS COUP? Cite examples of Constitutional crises.
•WHAT IS DOMINION SOFTWARE AND HOW ARE ELECTIONS HACKED?
•WHY IS THERE MEDIA CENSORSHIP AGAINST AMERICAN CITIZENS IN THE USA?
•WHY IS IT LEGAL TO CENSOR PRESIDENT TRUMP ON SOCIAL MEDIA?
I want one of those forehead magnets.
lol.
your Killin me Judith…in the best way, you are Killin me.
I agree every point..getting serious now.
may the force be with you..
Please note that Comirnaty (Pfizer) is not currently available anywhere in the world. Nor are there any other Covid vaccines approved by the FDA. They are still manufacturing the vaccine under the investigational label so it falls under the emergency use directive – which is voluntary. I don’t understand why lawyers aren’t speaking out more about this – for a country such as the USA, which is so litigious, it boggles the mind why so many people have fallen for this phony mandate. You have to ask why Pfizer/BioNTech aren’t starting to manufacture under the approved label? Could it be that they would be open to law suits. Sure, it says that vaccine manufacturers can’t be sued – but that’s under the assumption they haven’t KNOWINGLY hidden any adverse events. We know VAERS has plentiful reports of adverse events – including deaths – so in my opinion, that’s why they are avoiding manufacturing under the approved label.
It’s because the EUA status protects the government. They can only mandate this garbage if there is a so-called emergency. That’s why they hang on to that status. Of course there is a hell of a lot of double-talk going on. And yes almost all the lawyers are cowards. Disgraceful
Great point. The “national emergency” gives cover for a treasonous Great Reset and global genocide via bioweapons injections, while protecting Big Harma interests with the EUA liability shield.
One hand washes the other.
the purpose of the “approval” of Comirnaty was to present the ILLUSION that mRNA has been approved…the press now insists it is…not mentioning phizer and modernan are only EUA.
it’s very much like biden forcing businesses to mandate vax..with no law or regulations to enforce it…same kind of thing.
it’s used to create the environment of influence without the substance to actually be accountable and responsible…a highly targeted suggestion that assumes authority, but none actually exists.
psyops basically… manipulative donkey talk.
the press runs with it without even blinking because they support and get paid to vomit it out
I wonder if secretly Gupta realizes he just a mouthpiece for a bunch of policies he doesn’t really agree with. Maybe he doesn’t mind looking foolish because really it is the architects of his narrative that look foolish.
Do you think, even one time, when his colleagues were joking in the halls and on air saying Rogan took horse dewormer, that Sanjay Gupta said any of the facts about Ivermectin?
I don’t. I suspect he was there laughing and joking with them. That is a lie by omission.
To survive at CNN, you have to abandon reason and ethics, or you won’t be there long- just like the FIB….
As someone mentioned earlier… Guptas large salary clears his conscience, of any uncomfortable, and unpalatable truths.
Rather, he is arrogant and lethally underestimated Rogan, whom they all consider to be nothing more than a country bumpkin fresh off the turnip truck.
He discovered, too late and to his exquisite humiliation, that he shouldn’t have.
he works for CNN, thats about all you need to know right there.
Conservatives still don’t get it.
The Statist left aren’t “making mistakes” or are “badly informed”…. rather, it’s deliberate.
The reason being the left believe Conservatives are immoral and they can use any means to destroy immorality. See the destruction of Hitler’s Germany.
It’s all in print for those who want to know…Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”.
After appearing with Joe Rogan – Gupta appeared on the Don Lemon show where he doubled down on the lies about Ivermectin. What a disgusting weasel. I cannot fully put into words how I feel about Gupta as I would be perma-banned from the site
This man is an idiot. There is no evidence that Ivermectin works? How can he say that with a straight face? He’s pretty tough when Joe Rogan’s not there to ask follow up questions.
Didn’t several congress critters get Ivermectin? For Covid?
Too bad Joe didn’t ask if Gupta knew about that.
There was a lot of damage to control after Gupta’s abject humiliation for his arrogance exposed on Rogan’s show.
Think anyone who watched the Lemon follow-up was convinced Gupta was vindicated? ;-p
Joe Rogen is very intelligent. He has an interview style that brings out the best and the worst in his guests. Gupta was definitely at a disadvantage intellectually. Uh, er, what?
“Joe Rogen is very intelligent. ”
When he’s not stoned.
“Part of me thinks we’ll never know [about Wuhan GofF resesrch].”
Too bad even a small part of Gupta isn’t an investigative medical journalist working for a national network. Incurious ‘journalist’ = teleprompter propagandist.
Joe’s correct….and he doesn’t go anti vax.
However hot off the Israeli press:
“The Times of Israel reports:
Basically being double vaccinated reduces the chance of death by 75% but a booster shot reduces it further to 98% for over 60s.”
Lies or not lies, you be the judge.
They simply refined their sample population. The elderly most vulnerable to lethal effects of vaccine, have already been left to die from the first first two rounds.
This raises a lot of questions like, why is the data picked or chosen so carefully for very specific age groups? What about all-cause deaths, so that they can’t ignore deaths caused by the jab? How do these statistics jibe with those coming out of Kerala versus Uttar Pradesh? Are they hiding data from younger groups because of the freakish increases in heart risks due to the jab? You can massage data to get a required result, carefully winnowing out contrary data. We need much better that these poor statistics.
But for how long will the immunity conferred by the booster last? Is this what we want and where we’re headed, that people need a booster every 4 or 5 months or so?
I understand that the very elderly probably face more risk from Covid than from the “vaccine” but they use info like this to make recommendations for everyone else who have totally different risk profiles. That sounds like a nightmare scenario to me.
there is a broader scientific issue here.
take some notes…I’ll be glad to explain this in sufficient detail. but you’ll have to reset your head and start thinking independently.
1. there was no control baseline tests for state of immunity from EITHER GROUP!
2. not KNOWING this baseline, you have no scientific means to assume how immunity or reduction in symptoms, death, or other was caused.
3. the assumptions behind almost every single study, report, talking point, and gossip is this: vax efficacy is superior to immunity from infection. this assumption is contrary to science for two reasons:
it’s dumb .
it contradicts the scientific method.
4. the reality of cause could be a great and many number of things, all, some, or even none of these I list:
those jabbed might have conferred immunity through no help of mRNA
the virus may have shifted genomically to something far less risky
the data might not be reliable…sample size is subjective…choosing what and what not within a data set is largely a subjective decision based mostly on the purpose of the team assembling it.
if it’s such significant data, where are the repeated experiments to validate it?
between jabs, one might build immunity from infection that does not form from the jab.
how is it that some magical 6 month duration to get jab 3? is there science that forms.this basis…does this violate standard care where on size fits all fits no one?
as others have pointed out…we are ino the 22 now of a pandemic…jabs didn’t happen to at scale until Jan -april 2021…that’s over a year after the virus has already gone global.
it would be ignorant to expect to determine efficacy and safety for Any vaccine given AFTER a pandemic is formed..
they are guessing.
the precautionary principle was ignored…abused andfiled away…along with just about all legitimate scientific practices.
“the assumptions ….(are) this: vax efficacy is superior to immunity from infection.”
Different impression. I see widespread acceptance that infection produces the best future immunity. Of course that’s not relevant as a “vaccination” because it requires infection with the thing the elderly are trying to avoid.
Political medicine alone doesn’t like admitting that because they believe it dilutes the “vaccination”
message for the masses who can’t cope with multiple sometimes contradictory data.
I have a different impression also. I think it IS very much relevant even to the most at risk. At 12 months in, one can assume that there was a very high likelihood that at risk people were exposed to c19…at least once…probably multiple times. I have no doubt c19 is a dangerous virus to at risk people. But the assumptions that ONLY a vaccine is helpful to mitigate against harm is astoundingly silly. The data shows this. Once the pandemic began full flight, many deaths at the high risk segment. Then it tapered off. Those that were going to die, did. It might sound cold but that is not my meaning here. Just to state stark reality. The tapering off was due to two things: those that were going to die, did, and those that did not achieved a sufficient point of immunity from infection. Keeping in mind that therapeutic drugs such as HCQ, IVM, and monoclonal antibodies were not being used and in some cases denied during this stage. And YET, the data tapered off.
In reality, when you really get into the heart of the issue is this fundamental truth: there is no such thing as AVOIDING getting infected. With the most drastic isolation, distancing, masks and a complete shutdown, nothing really worked very well. This showed the reality that this virus would find a way. It is highly transmissible and those at risk do not require much in terms of viral load to get very sick and often do die. This is tragic, but remove the emotion for a moment, and you gain an insight into the reality of this virus: there really is no such thing that is practical to “avoid” it. It’s just not going to happen. The data shows this.
So the smart thing is to reduce the risks as best as you can, BUT ALSO NOT WAIT TO TREAT people with symptoms and start getting them HCQ, IVM, and monoclonal antibodies as therapy.
The entire narrative that mRNA is some kind of a cure, or causes immunity, and that can even save lives is highly questionable, given the fact that there has been no way to actually determine efficacy of mRNA versus Imm from Infection! They spiked the phase 3 control. Took no baseline SUPER control data. And they neglected and denied therapeutics to the point of criminal negligence. Why?
because it was the assumption they clinged to: the mRNA is superior to all other means to prevent harm.
And yes, they continue to aggressively push this narrative even now, when the data is overwhelmingly in favor of therapeutics, and immunity from infection…which again, by now, there must be some level of that to explain the huge taper.
Furthermore, no one seems to want to discuss why delta PLUS* with a NEW and very highly defined furin cleavage features erupted first only in those countries that had high numbers of mRNA vax! Coincidence? I don’t believe in them. The correlation is definitely worth pursuing as causative. And yet, dead silence (pun intended).
I am going to link to an article written by a mRNA “true believer” at Ars Technica. I want you to read it and locate the narrative and how heavily “invested” these people are…How they continue to prattle on about the mRNA and ignore and deny even the remote possibility that it is a failure. Here is the challenge: See if you can find 5 major problems with the claims. Be warned: there is a very high amount of effort made to erect this narrative and present many kinds of narratives, excuses, and plain simply lies and omissions. Some of the points I actually agree with. And that is all part of the strategy they used in designing this piece. Just enough truth to get you relaxed, and then bang…they try to screwball in their own ideas and convince you why mRNA is the cats pajamas. Don’t be fooled. Look at it critically. Ars takes it to an entirely different level and this piece is one is a long series of carefully assembled propaganda that attempts to indoctrinate readers with their own brand of science. It’s pretty effective, so please be on your guard when you start reading through it. Beth Mole is a true believer in mRNA and worships the “science” she claims is true. The only problem is that she leaves so many things off the table and does not discuss it. Like a good commie rat working for the state would!
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/prior-infection-vs-vaccination-why-everyone-should-get-a-covid-19-shot/
I would have never had that turd on my show….
Period…..
I disagree, Mack. It is important for the leftists to be systematically dismantled by skilled interviewers like Rogan, who has a massive audience. Think of how many millions will watch this interview. It is invaluable! I do agree with Gupta is a turd, however.
Joe Rogan – Blue Dog Democrat. Kinda like Michael Flynn.
I accuse Syphilis For Brains Joe Biden,Tiny Tony Fauci, all of the MSM Whores of being willing accomplices of the Evil Red Chinese Bio Terrorists and carrying out the orders of same on the American People and children of the world in order to bring forth Lucifer’s reign over the people of the earth. Oh, and Guppy is a whore of the CCP.
this was the payoff by cnn for its bald faced lies. now its over. relegated to Spotify. large audience for Joe but no carryover back to the network. only way to test would be for another star to take horse dewormer and laud as being helpful.
Yet the network saw fit to put Gupta on Don Lemon’s show to vindicate himself. If CNN thought no one saw Rogan’s show, there would have been no point in doing that.
On the other hand, it was Don Lemon and CNN . . . ;-p
Gupta was destroyed
Fake news journalism at CNN as usual,
Sanjay Gupta looks like a deer in the headlights.
It must be a little shocking to stick your head up out of your bubble and be smacked with a dose of reality.
The thing about leftists is, even after being smacked with reality, they simply ignore the lesson and continue on with their leftist propaganda as if nothing happened.
Dr. Gupta is what the late Buckminster Fuller would classify as a “specialist” who may much about a specific topic; yet when confronted with questions about issues outside of his specialty he comes across as a very ignorant person. The question is why and how did this occur?
Gupta as a young boy tells his parents that when he grows up he wants to be a doctor. He is told in order to become a doctor he must begin in high school taking certain courses (mostly bio-chem) in science, along with some math and language. He gets into college and immediately goes into a pre-med curriculum, specific for medicine. The competition is fierce. He takes all those specific courses. He gets into a medical school and is elated beyond belief. It is a tough grind to become a doc. He has achieved a life long dream, he is very happy and secure in his knowledge.
He thinks he can “extrapolate” from his medical perspective into other areas he has only glanced at over his lifetime for his personal insights and operational philosophy. His principles rest within a medical environment. He feels safe in what knowledge he believes he has. He does not believe he is an ignorant person.
The above videos show just how weak his education was relative to a “generalist” perspective and how his operating principles are tethered to the world of medicine. Take him away from that world and he jumps around much like he tried to soft pedal his responses when cornered by Mr. Rogan.
I doubt Gupta has ever read the dialogues of Plato, or found the time to read most of Shakespeares’ plays, much less his revealing sonnets. I doubt he has ventured into political theories, nor examined the basics of business or marketing. What does he know of religions? Do you get my point? The difference about knowing a subject well but then being ignorant on many others.
Take a specialist out of his environment and that person will most certainly flounder about looking for a lifeline. In other words, Gupta thinks he is wise–he has wisdom…yet he is most certainly not for he exposes himself as ignorant in this interview to realities that are all about our world.
I wonder if he learned anything during this interview…
Proverbs 1:7. “Fear of the Lord, is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”
“I wonder if he learned anything during this interview…”
Well you know that he didn’t. He came away impressed that people come to him for answers, that he was the subject of the interview. Exposing people like Gupta for the frauds that they are is good. On the other hand, completely ignoring them and having a medical experts on like Dr. McCullough or one of the Front Line Doctors would have been even better.
So a former mixed martial arts fighter and comedian has more incisive interrogative skills, more confrontational ballsiness, more love of truth, more personal self respect, and basically more awareness of media dishonesty and more outrage about it than 99.9% of the GOP.
I think it’s more that they make their living in different ways. Congressmen know the truth about this (and probably most things). They themselves use Ivermectin. It’s just that they can make more $ and gain more power by manipulating the system, and the truth, than they can by telling the truth. It’s about morals and values. And this isn’t so much a criticism of them as it is a recognition of who/what a politician is. Same goes for big business leaders. As we’ve come to know, our elites are corrupt and therefore must be replaced.
As for actual horse-dewormer paste (Ivermectin sold as a veterinary supply), I am picking up two more syringes today at Tractor Supply. That gives me a qty of 8, enough to treat my whole family, and a couple of others who laughed at me when I mentioned it to them but who I would save anyway in spite of my anger at being mocked about this and most of the other opinions I hold.
Yep.
This is the closet to a debate on this issue I’ve heard in 20 months
America was once known as the liberal mecca for open and robust debate. We’re now like some ancient tribe that forbids upon figurative pain of death any challenge to the decrees of the the temple gods.
The ones who really need to see this, Guptas normal audience, will never see a nanosecond of any of this. The only hope might be that Gupta will be slightly red pilled and see Ronan’s audience numbers compared to CNN and maybe talk some truth.
Of course Gupta is probably just another Bill Maher. A few nuggets every few months and them back to the liar lair.
“The ones who really need to see this, Guptas normal audience, will never see a nanosecond of any of this.”
Yes. And Rogan will never be invited onto Gupta’s show.
The media is just as much responsible for indoctrinating and dumbing down the American sheeple as academia. Anyone who watches the news is wasting their time . Thank the lord for platforms like this, purveyors of truth like Sundance and Joe Rogan. FJB.
The media is responsible for most of the COVID deaths as they have managed to stonewall any discussion of HCQ and ivermectin’s effectiveness. To deny an audience to a group such as Front Line COVID care is criminal, as in Crimes Against Humanity.
However, doctors and pharmacists aren’t much better than the media, as they have bent their knees to rules created by BigPharma and a bunch of bureaucrats, all for the almighty security of income.
Front Line Doctors are the heroes in this saga…and Rand Paul.
What a weasel.
Such a lack of honest intellectual curiousity, an obvious shill. At the end of each discussion point on the CCP and Wuhan he concludes: “I guess we’ll never know”. That is his purpose, to insure we never know.
In the third video posted, I wonder why Joe didn’t make the leap from the soft and squishy words “gain of function” to what was actually going on as “bioweapon research”.
I continue to marvel at how we have lost control of the language… ‘narrative engineering’ that is really ‘propaganda’.
If Ivermectin is so despised by the medical profession, why is it stocked in many pharmacies across the U.S.?
Also, just to be a little nitpicky, I wish Joe Rogan would have defended “horse de-wormer” instead of complaining about how CNN accused him of using it. He did use horse de-wormer, as has many other people. He should have defended it and had the back of people like me who will gladly use it.
Exactly. It is similar to confining the refusal to take the phony vax to religious reasons or because you have existing antibodies. Even DJT is falling for this false and freedom-limiting narrative. No, you can refuse it for any GD reason you want to.
“No, you can refuse it for any GD reason you want to.”
Exactly. My reasons are my own!
As for horse de-wormer, we took “deplorable” and turned it into a mockery of Hillary. Rogan should have proudly worn a T-shirt for that interview that said “Neigh.”
Lupus
Rheumatoid arthritis
for choiced one…
“I don’t know what to make of it.”
Oh please.
The fun part is it’s so easy, they cannot handle the truth. As news actors their enunciation and appearance is much more important that their ability to think, reason and understand.
Rogan is a great person to have on the side of truth. To any delicate flowers, Joe can get salty with his language, but he reaches 20 million people a week. This is not a right-left issue, but a human issue.
Right on Joe Rogan.
“This is not a right-left issue, but a human issue.”
Unfortunately, it still largely is a right-left issue but start coming after people’s jobs and children and boy does that change the dynamic quickly!
Covid may be the catalyst for actual revolution and the re-structuring of American life and politics for a century to come!
What a delicious irony it would be if it turns out to be our side that ushers in a new world order!
That’s the plan.
Gupta went from having a high opinion of his own intellectual self, to being a puddle of moonbat mush under the microphone.
LOL! Well said.
Does any of our so called scientists or media liars ever look at India’s numbers and wonder how they are controlling this so called crisis?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ Population – 1,352,642,280
New cases May 5, 2021 – 412,618
New cases Oct 1, 2021 – 23,910
Deaths May 23, 2021 – 5,015
Deaths Oct 1, 2021 – 233
New cases Oct 13, 2021 – 19,180
Deaths Oct 13, 2021 – 249
https://covid.us.org/2021/06/27/ivermectin-use-in-india/
https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/national/ivermectin-obliterates-97-percent-of-delhi-cases/article_6a3be6b2-c31f-11eb-836d-2722d2325a08.html
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/covid-19-with-fewer-side-effects-ivermectin-still-used-widely-in-india-despite-who-recommendation-against-it/article34540312.ece
https://ycharts.com/indicators/india_coronavirus_full_vaccination_rate 19.73%
I may not be the smartest person in the world but if their vaxx rate is only 20% and their death rates are 1/6th what ours are, wouldn’t some of our media geniuses want to know why?
Now we know the cdc has been misleading the public on fatalities this whole time, why haven’t the media picked up on it?
Dr. Ngozi Ezike Explained how the count deaths at a press conference and not one journalist questioned or reported it, why?
And we know that the cdc can’t prove a single death has been caused by covid:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm Oct 6, 2021
Note: There were co-morbidities or other listed on the death certificate for as many as 95% of all covid 19 deaths.
The other 5% of the death certificates in which covid 19 was the only condition listed was likely related to a lack of detail listed about other conditions present at the time of death.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e2.htm On March 31, 2021
Among 378,048 death certificates from 2020 listing COVID-19, 5.5% listed COVID-19 without codes for any other conditions (20,915). Among 357,133
death certificates with at least one other condition, 97% had a co-occurring diagnosis of a plausible chain-of-event condition
(e.g., pneumonia or respiratory failure), or a significant contributing condition (e.g., hypertension or diabetes), or both.
Discussion – Among death certificates from calendar year 2020 listing COVID-19 and at least one other co-occurring diagnosis, the
documentation is consistent with these deaths being attributable to COVID-19. Specifically, in 97% of 357,133 death certificates with
COVID-19 and at least one other diagnosis, the documented chain-of-event and significant contributing conditions were consistent with
those reported in clinical and epidemiologic studies to occur among patients with severe COVID-19–associated outcomes (5,9). Only 5.5% of
death certificates had COVID-19 without any other conditions listed. Attributability of death to COVID-19 could not be evaluated for these
death certificates and represents an opportunity for improvement in documentation.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities Updated September 8, 2021: For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death.
WHERE ARE THE SO CALLED JOURNALISTS?
Did anyone catch what Gupta said about needing a Global Health Organization that has power…not overly influenced by China…So there’s the fix. Global centralization of power and control over everything…law, economics, health and our finances. So to whom would this global authority be accountable? The shift is a steep slide from individual God ordained freedoms to the collectivist mindset of “for the greater good.” 6uild 6ack 6etter Anyway you spell it, it is pure evil.
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Gupta’s advocating for a Global Health Organization was much more striking than the expected dissembling on ivermectin.
Anyone who has not read the Bible might wish to start now so they won’t be so surprised by the birth pains that are happening in our world.
Imagine what the world would see if Judicial Watch did a FOIA request for every email, text and letter from the NIH, CDC and FDA, including Fauci and Collins wit the word Ivermectin in it for the last 2 years.
Like I often say about these leftists . . . They’ve been agitated beyond their intelligence and aren’t really bright enough to understand how stupid they are.
One of the conditions for “Emergency Use Authorization” is that there are no other treatments, cures or vaccines. Ivermectin and HCQ are both cures and treatments. THIS is why they are suppressing this. If it’s “accepted” in the US, the EUA goes away as does all of their entire angle of attack on the people.
We need to push this reality into the forefront.
So to show the world the effectiveness of Ivermectin, I wonder if a Governor like DeSantis or Abbott could use an EO allowing all citizens and licensed doctors to prescribe and use an Ivermectin Cocktail as a preventative and/or for treatment and requiring all pharmacies in that state to fill these legal scripts.
Imagine when that states cases, infections, hospitalizations and death all plummet to National lows and or virtually eliminates COVID.
How would the health officials react to this? Wouldn’t it prove possible negligence or malfeasance or more?
That would be very smart of DeSantis. Doctors who would be willing to prescribe HCG and Ivermectin are scared that they’ll be fired (most Docs are employees these days) and be threatened with loss of their license to practice. Also, insurance companies will not pay the doctor’s claims if the treatment and coding doesn’t conform with what they consider to be standard protocols.
In other words, having allowed our doctors to become employees, and hostages of insurance companies, we’ve destroyed the practice of medicine.
DeSantis can protect doctors, just like he’s trying to protect other workers from threats of job loss if they don’t conform to mandates.
At the very least, he can use his now considerable bully pulpit to bring this issue to public attention.
(In the meantime, everybody get your horse de-wormer and have it on hand at home, along with your vitamins, zinc, etc. We all know the drill so the tide must be turning!)