There are three background facets worth discussing in the Charlie Kirk assassination. To wit, a fulsome historic reference is likely worth creating, so we can all evaluate information with a similar baseline.
(1) The background of events in the lead to Charlie Kirk’s murder; (2) the post-shooting activity of the FBI; and (3) the reality of motive carried by the 22-year-old assassin, Tyler Robinson. All three of these issues are separate and distinct; however, some people are dangerously merging them together. This should be avoided.
To help avoid conflation that happens, it is worth addressing all three issues separately and comprehensively. In this outline we address the first, the background events swirling around TPUSA and Kirk prior to the shooting.
Turning Point USA (TPUSA) is a donor funded organization. Within the business of engaging causes of worth it takes money, often a lot of money, to run the core logistics of the operation. With Charlie Kirk removed from TPUSA’s mission, I hope their donors and supporters remain fully engaged and are able to expand on his life’s work.
Back in 2022, the same background financial interests who were structuring the presidential run of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis also supported TPUSA.
Part of that collaboration surfaced in mid-August ’22, when DeSantis exited his five-days of silence in the aftermath of the FBI raid on President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate (August 8, 2022).
In the lead to the election campaign, DeSantis came out of his bunker directly into a promotional tour for his book, The Courage to be Free.
The Florida governor joined TPUSA as several events to increase his national profile. As a natural outcome TPUSA was funded for a short time by the same people funding the DeSantis long-term launch. Many of these donors were already part of the TPUSA financial system; it was a natural convergence.
To his credit, Charlie Kirk viewed the DeSantis effort as supporting a solid conservative, a fellow in the bigger battle, and yet remained supportive of Donald Trump throughout the collaboration and into the presidential primary once DeSantis formally announced over a year later.
Recently, when discussing the tragic event of Kirk’s assassination, Tucker Carlson noted Charlie Kirk took a lot of donor backlash for a shift in his position around the issue of Israel and the overwhelming retaliation taking place in Gaza.
Both groups, professional evangelicals and strong Israel supporters, took exception to Kirk questioning the attack on Iran and the ongoing decisions by the Israeli government to continue bombardment of Gaza. WATCH:
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The donor backlash Tucker Carlson is referencing, is also evident in an earlier podcast segment Charlie Kirk did with Megyn Kelly about a month before his murder. Again, for fulsome understanding it is worth watching the entire segment.
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The reference Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk are outlining was/is a cultural shift amid a great deal of young people as it related to how they perceive Israel. The issue was weighing on Charlie Kirk who was a strong supporter of Israel and was known as a voice for Gen-Z independent thinkers. The issue was such an important topic for Kirk, he did an entire focus group discussion on it [SEE HERE].
From the perspective of Kirk, a distinction needed to be made between support for the nation state of Israel to exist, and criticism for the way the government of Israel was conducting the war against Hamas. However, the pro-Israel donor class do not permit this nuance.
Additionally, Charlie Kirk was calling out secular Jews for funding the radical left.
What a way to sign off. pic.twitter.com/CYZWpzldS6
— Lauren Witzke (@LaurenWitzkeDE) September 11, 2025
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Put the three issues together, (1) a reluctance for conflict with Iran, (2) concerns about how Israel had extended the Gaza conflict, and (3) direct criticism of Jews funding the radical left, and what you get is an overreaction by the Israel-first lobby calling Charlie Kirk ‘antisemitic’.
Charlie Kirk was not ever an antisemite. However, his soft touches on the third rail of criticism toward Israel created massive backlash from his donor base; again, hard-core evangelicals and wealthy donors of the Jewish faith. This is not coincidentally the same donor base who funded the launch and 2024 primary effort of Ron DeSantis.
Again, to his credit, in the two-months prior to his murder Charlie Kirk did not waiver from his position; a position that was entirely in alignment with the voice of the Gen-Z audience to whom he was connected most deeply.
However, due to Kirk’s history of unwavering support for Israel a shift in opinion was viewed as a risk. The need for control is a reaction to fear. A pressure campaign against Charlie Kirk was created by the aforementioned donor group.
This is the context that surrounded the assassination. This context is not connected to the motive of the murderer, nor is it connected to the motive of the FBI in the aftermath. This background just sits alone as the accurate context for some of the external pressures that were upon Charlie Kirk for the two months that preceded his death.
Against this context, the donor groups, individuals and organizations that were participating in the pressure campaign, then had another concern in the aftermath of the shooting. Would they be blamed? Would this, once again, feed yet another conspiracy theory against Jews?
That aspect explains the openly obvious media campaign that was waged by the donor groups, individuals and organizations in the aftermath of the shooting. What we saw was coordinated praise for Charlie Kirk by the same people who were criticizing him for a shift in tone and opinion toward Israel and waging the pressure campaign.
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Again, WATCH:
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Obviously, the people who were pressuring Charlie Kirk would be very nervous about being blamed, and that aspect directly surfaces in the way members of the Jewish community and Israeli government reacted to his murder.
The intent of this post is to create an honest record of what was taking place in the background prior to Kirk’s assassination.
The reason clarity becomes important is because without it, dangerous conspiracies thrive.
There is ZERO EVIDENCE any of these background ‘donor pressure’ issues had anything to do with the murder of Charlie Kirk, yet already online people are making direct and inferred connections that do not exist.
Israel did not kill Charlie Kirk.
An unstable ideological leftist named Tyler Robinson, who was living with his transgender boyfriend Lance Twiggs, killed Charlie Kirk because they hated him.
Tyler Robinson hated the purity of Christian values that Charlie Kirk represented. Every day that Charlie Kirk spoke to their peers and dismantled the lies, was another day Tyler and Lance felt threatened by the return of a moral society that was the foundation of Kirk’s advocacy.
Do not let the issues conflate.
Yes, Charlie Kirk had become openly critical of the decisions being made by the Israeli government. No, Charlie Kirk did not stop supporting Israel.
Yes, Charlie Kirk was facing significant backlash by the very influential Evangelical and Jewish donors to his TPUSA organization. Yes, the influential donors were trying to convince Kirk to stop being critical of the Israeli government. However, no, there is no evidence Israel had anything to do with the crazed behavior of a mentally unstable leftist who assassinated him.
If that changes, we will openly and honestly outline it as we do with all subjects of great interest and consequence; but right now, there is no evidence of any connection.
Pray for Charlie Kirk and his family. Honor his legacy and support all the new awakenings happening as a consequence of this tragic and violent event. Do not allow yourself to be drawn into the dark imaginings of those who have an ulterior agenda. WATCH:
Glenn Greenwald
His voice, Shapiro’s voice, and Levin ‘s voice are absurd.
He hasn’t used any of the US paid for munitions on the terrorist organization they told us did 9/11, Al-Qaeda that is running the former secular Syria, which had a large Christian community and various other minority communities living in peace until the operations began to destabilize Syria.
The Serbs would say how fast they forgot WWII and the Holocaust during the NATO/Globalists illegal war crimes in the 90’s and early 2000’s in the Balkans.
When Al-Qaeda took over Syria, Israel immediately launched an air campaign to destroy all the military hardware that Assad Left so Al-Qaeda/HTS couldn’t use it.
Israel also moved into southern Syria to defend the Druze who live in and around the Golan from the HTS onslaught.
Of Course, the immediate knee-jerk reactions to both of those was “why is israel attacking syria??
f#ck you and f#ck israel
Thanks for posting this. I had not seen it, but totally agree with Greenwald.
Hamas deserves to be wiped out totally. Gaza deserves to be razed to the ground. A numbs terrorist admitted a few days ago that over 85% oof Gazans support and are involved with Hamas. After what Hamas did on October 7- the absolute brutality and atrocities they inflicted on women children and babies they have to be annihilated and Gaza turned into a parking lot. Kidnapping and Holding men. women and children and z Holocaust survivors hostage in underground tunnels is an abhorrent war crime. Forcing a starved hostage unto dig his own grave in an underground tunnel and filming it for the world to see is a total act of depravity. I don’t care what anyone says these terrorists must be totally annihilated. They said they will donut again and again. Don’t forget 40 Americans were among those killed and held hostage as well as Thais Tanzanians.Hamas did not care. Qatar n must be next if they continue to support terror Iran too. This Islamic terror has to be stopped and the Islamist’s must be taught a lesson. The z Muslim Brotherhood must be banned work wide. If they test their mutdeoudvhesds again they must similarly be dealt with. You don’t play nice with bloodthirsty terrorists .
Perhaps if people had watched the October 7 videos that the terrorists took if their atrocities people would agree that Hamas and Gaza must be totally razed. I have.this should never happen again. Ever. And while I’m at it the UN must be disbanded. The Red Cross shamed and shunned for their disgusting complicity.
Nukhba Terrorist Admits: Majority Of ‘Innocent Gazan Civilians’ Belong To Terror Groups
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/2447422/nukhba-terrorist-admits-majority-of-innocent-gazan-civilians-belong-to-terror-groups.html
Charlie Kirk dissent on Oct. 7?
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I was in a costco in manassas va with my jewish daughter and her 6’8″ hubs, in line, and all around us were burqa and keffiyah wearing idiots holding up their phones and dancing,,,,,if we didn’t have her hubs with us, we may not have come out of there in one piece,,,it was disgusting and vile and evil
I’d be all for Israel extraditing every member of Congress & the Biden Admin involved with sending Hamas terrorist scum US tax stolen dollars and have them face Eichmann trials.
Hamas is to Israel what Al-Qaeda is to us. I’ve been waiting a long time for Israel to do us a huge solid since they are our best friends and ally in the ME and use some of the weapons we give them and obliterate the 9/11ers that were allowed to take over Syria. I’ve been waiting a long time.
I agree. I think these JINOs are ashamed of being properly Jewish and properly religious. They’re also SCARED to defend themselves in case of attacks if they do. They bring out the Jewish thing when its politically expedient.
Hamas has to be destroyed and permanently removed from power in Gaza. Otherwise they will re-arm and Israel will fight the same war again in a few years. The cycle keeps repeating. The cycle must end.
Let’s add a fourth background facet: metadata. Patterns and trends. Everything is about patterns and trends. Uncle Mikey? Boneface? Huh?
Information is out there. You just have to let it in.
https://georgewebb.substack.com/p/ukraine-family-robinson-azov-kirk
Ukraine again? They’ve been at the center of almost every Anti-Trump operation.
Who rules Ukraine?
can George Webb just be disinformation psyops?
I have never been able to come to a conclusion about George Webb. I find him informative from time to time and his discussion of ratlines and other such operations sounds solid. I just don’t know where his loyalties lie on much of anything.
In Kirk’s own words: “The more that you guys privately and publicly call our character into question….these are leaders, these are stakeholders…when the hostile reaction is that Megyn and Charlie are enemies…you will weaken and just basically deflate two of your strongest advocates if that continues.” Who was then deflated…permanently?
While I disagree with Sundance that the three items he described are totally separate issues, I do not think we can infer that his evolving stance toward Israel was the motivation behind his assassination. We do not have any evidence that points to Israel as cohencidental as it seems.
The fact is we do not know who killed Charlie. Robinson may be the real killer or just the patsy. He’s very young to make that kind of kill shot. Informed people are indicating it was a challenging shot requiring sniper level training. If he is a patsy, then, we are no wiser on the killer’s motivation or what organization is behind him. If he is the killer, then, we are looking for a homegrown leftist organization with LGBTQ bonifides.
It would help immensely if Patel/Bondi’s FBI would track the finances behind the killer, and determine if this is another of George Soros and son’s affiliates.
A teenager with enough training could make that shot. Now, how extensive and deep the possible network goes that was behind the shooter, this needs to be pursued. Not that I have any confidence or trust in the FBI to do so. Heck, you want to speculate, maybe some in the FBI were in on such a network.
Bannon guest re online radicalization: Nobody knows who’s doing the influential Reddit moderation, “it could be foreign intel assets for all we know.”
https://rumble.com/v6ywb6c-mitchell-i-think-the-country-were-gonna-wake-up-to-on-monday-morning-is-gon.html
I listened to an arms expert this morning who said basically the same thing. This was not a difficult shot for someone as you describe.
I presume…I hope you were just echoing Sundance’s emphatic point that Kirk’s “evolving” stance toward Israel WAS NOT, IN HIS OPINION, THE CAUSE for Kirk’s assassination.
I say this because the first line of your excellent comment could lead one to believe erroneously that Sundance had thought there was a connection, a conclusion he took great pains to dispel toward the end of his post, just in case you didn’t read it through to the end.
Reframing this as “‘donor pressure’ issues” does not provide proper context, but minimizes it. These are, as Kirk states in the video, “not just one or two texts” but dozens and not just from ordinary people but “these are leaders, these are stakeholders” of that community. This implies they are from very important people with powerful connections and that is why Kirk was very hurt that they were calling into question his very morality.
Kirk’s own words: ”
“You’re not allowed any nuance Megyn, it’s only tribalism”
“I’m an American. I represent this country.”
And now that voice has been silenced permanently.
When I hear people use the word “Tribalism” it makes me laugh/cringe because ‘they’ can then infer ‘antisemitism’ because surely you are referring to the 12 tribes of Israel. Something that has zero applicability to the piece of land holding that name or the people who occupy it.
I agree with your assessment. There is some evidence that his trans partner and other trans knew about the assassination attempt beforehand. Although I can’t prove it now, I am sure there is a whole network that radicalized the shooter and assisted them. The Dem party/left is supporting the radicalization of these groups. Patel obviously does not have control over much of the FBI. If the Trump admin doesn’t dismantle this network, there will be more killings, even attempts against President Trump. The Utah Governor is a RINO/closet leftist and supports funding of trans. He is pushing the lie that it was a lone wolf and that his “girlfriend” didn’t know about it. What a joke!
You are probably right. Big blunder from Cox. He is the pushing the lie. It was a bigger conspiracies. There are so many co conspirators in this murder that need to be arrested. CK was gaining traction converting alot of skeptics. Transvestites and lunatic left do not like it. So what is there resorting to? Violence.
Hopefully, with the trans-boyfriend also cooperating with investigators, they should by now have a pretty decent handle on, the Who and Where. Thanks to AI.
Something else to consider here is, Cooperation Agreements at the Fed level, very often are the result of a Quid-Pro Quo, Proffer Session. The higher the degree of barbarity, the higher the sentence vs the higher Defense request’s become, think Gravano’s 5 years. . .
One of the items, I’m certain was a main focus of the Shooter’s family (LEO-Dad) Defensive strategy is avoiding the Death Penalty. Which IMO was the main reason both the D and the ADFBI, rushed from Ground Zero NYC to Utah. I doubt anyone will even discuss that result, before Charlie Kirk is finally laid to rest. . .
However, the cooperation of both the shooter and his confidant, seems to indicate, a large amount of Cooperation with LE.
I want what Israel did to Gaza to happen to the terrorist group Antifa. I will pray every day for that outcome.
Antifa in American Jews in action. Just as the original antifa was founded in 1919 by the Russian communist Jews who ruled Russia. To spread Jewish communism throughout the world. Just as all through the 1920s and early 1930s German anti fa was Jew communists battling non communist native German political parties.
Conservatives are just dumbkopf goyim as Jews call you. Blindly following Israeli and Jew communist orders.
If you Zionist Protestants only knew what Jews of all types think of you dumbkopf goyim. Goyim does not mean not a Jew. It expresses what Jews think of all goyim especially Zionist southern Protestants dumbkopf goyim
Antifa was founded in 1919 by the ✡️🕎 communists who overthrew the Russian government and founded their 🕎✡️ communist state they hoped would take over the world. It’s an international 106 year old organization. Very successful in 1920s Germany communists fighting all the other political parties . And now in America.
Thank you Sundance for this clear presentation of the facts that are known. God bless and stay safe.
I wish a lot of the people on the right would read and understand this piece.
The parcel of land, where people live and have named “Israel”, which has zero to do w/the biblical people, had nothing to do w/Charlie’s demise… Agreed
Now if someone can just explain to me why people can’t seem to read/comprehend the bible ‘as written’ that would be swell.
Conservative Treehouse proves the point that conservative is a euphemism for Israel ubber alles a welfare state of the American goyim taxpayers.
Old Testament Protestants whose churches are decorated with menorahs Torah scrolls stars of David and Israeli flags Not even Christian crosses and Christian symbols
Old testament Jewish part of the Bible Protestants are descended from Yohanan Kaplan aka John Knox and Yohanan Cohen aka John Calvin
Those Zionist Protestants celebrate Yom Kippur Chanaku Passover and Shavuot as much as they celebrate Christmas and Easter. One day of Easter preceded by 5 days of Passover. Do these Zionist Jew Protestants have Good Friday services? No just Passover At least they still celebrate Easter the most important Christian holiday Day Jesus proved himself God After a week of Passover and thousands of emails and calls to congress demanding more and more goyim American taxpayers money for Israel Americas biggest welfare burden Israel.
To me and all other realists the word conservative means endless money for Israel.
The enemy in the US is NOT ISRAEL.
IT IS ISLAM AND THE RABID LEFT
Federal authorities in Salt Lake City arrested Adeeb Nasir, 58, and Adil Justice Ahme Nasir, 31, after an incendiary device was found under a news media vehicle. FBI agents traced the device to a Magna residence where they seized bomb-making materials, hoax WMDs, firearms, and drugs. Both face multiple felony charges, including attempted aggravated arson and possession of weapons of mass destruction.
https://nitter.poast.org/Osint613/status/1967329914736316669#m
Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated local government. In Southern California, they protect Islamic extremists who threaten children and persecute the Christian parents who complained about it.
Do you live in S California? Check out the Culver City mosque. About 4 miles from the big airport. 3 or 4 blocks from the Halal restaurant on Venice blvd where two of the 9/11 Twin Tower hijackers just happened to meet two other Arabs who gave them a ride to San Diego. Where the Kuwaiti consulate put them up and gave then plenty of money to fly to the east coast., interesting that restaurant closed around the third week of August. 3 weeks before the 9/11 planes flying into the Twin Towers and Pentagon..
The mosque on Washington Blvd is probably a fortress with layers of basements closed off areas storing military weapons and bombs. And very close to the private plane area of LA airport..
When I left LA area in 2002 Culver City had only a few pockets left that were barely safe to be in.
Driving through most areas of Culver City especially from dusk to dawn was scary.
Saw the comment about “Let’s ask the police why they were listed as WHITE on their arrest records when they are Pakistani:”
This is what is so crazy about LEO arrests/reporting across America. At the end of the year, the final crime reports bunch 40% of crimes into this so called American “White” ” Caucasian” slot. Thus, criminal reports usually show 50% or more of major horrendous crimes are committed by Blacks & around 40% by American White/Caucasians. However, WAY over 2/3s of the criminals in the Whites/Caucasians slot are actually Middle Eastern Muslims and Illegals from south of the border. I’m not trying to say that American Caucasians are totally guiltless, but they area actually not as guilty as portrayed in many criminal reports.
As seen in the below picture, crazy as it sounds Crime reports seem to have been able to segregate out other ethnic races living in America that are way less the 5% of America’s population, so why not Middle Easterners & those from south of the border
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BREAKING:
Two men arrested for placing a bomb on a FOX 13 media vehicle in Salt Lake City, Utah. Adeeb Nasir, 58, and Adil Justice Ahmed Nasir, 31 have reportedly been arrested.
The Salt Lake City Police Department Bomb Squad and the Unified Fire Authority Arson/Bomb Squad say a real explosive device was found under the vehicle. “Police say they found the device placed under a news media vehicle parked next to an occupied building and determined it to be a real explosive device.
It “had been lit but failed to function as designed,” according to the affidavit,” KSL reported.
The men are facing charges including Threat of Terrorism, Possessing Weapons of Mass Destruction, and Possessing Explosive Devices.
https://nitter.poast.org/CollinRugg/status/1967387889937031489#m
‘Expose Charlie’s Murderers’ Website Receives Over 50,000 Submissions of Leftists Celebrating Murder of Charlie Kirk — Declares Itself the ‘Largest Firing Operation in History’
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/expose-charlies-murderers-website-receives-50000-submissions-leftists/
Transgender Social Media Users Posting Hints of Foreknowledge and Suspicious Out-of-State Visitors at Alleged Kirk Assassin’s Home Raise Serious Terror Network Concerns
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/mysterious-state-traffic-charlie-kirk-assassins-home-sparks/
Thank you.
This actually answered a few nagging questions I had about the local media within the Orthodox Jewish communities (within Brooklyn, NY) that occasionally seemed to misalign with the general sentiments within the communities regarding the politics outside.
I already sensed the narrative engineering and propaganda directed at them but couldn’t for the life of me figure out from who, and for what the effort was coming from/for. Like why would anyone care about what the internal attitude of the insular communities were to put in all that effort to shape the narratives?
Regarding Charlie’s assassination, I saw a quiet but deep grieving from multiple different types of people. People really appreciated his genuine goodness and courage to advocate and persuade the next generation to align their lives with Biblical truths. It was much more than just for his support for Israel. But for his support for G-d, nuclear intact family, morality and decency.
I would post the references to the propaganda articles I’m referring to so everyone can see the reactions and disgust the general public had to the opinion piece about valueing Charlie’s life exclusively on his usefulness for the Israeli cause and not for his humanity and intrinsic value as a genuine kind human being. But I’m afraid to expose and reveal access to their world to the public because of the vicious unfair hate directed at them through no fault of their own.
They are being targeted too. And live behind enemy lines and need to survive.
And please don’t believe a word you read about them unless you take the time to get to know many of them well and personally. Because they will not expose their genuine thoughts and feelings unless they trust you enough to feel safe that you won’t betray them the following day.
That story with the murder of that innocent Ukrainian girl hits hard when living here because we all get to deal with similar repeat offenders on a daily basis. The streets are a war zone and you got to be real careful and watch your back.
And yes many people who used to rely on the police for safety and protection no longer do and carry because the knives are being pulled on innocent people in the streets a lot more often these days and the good cops are quiting at record speed and being replaced with very low caliber people instead. G-d help us. We are holding the line here for the rest of you.
As a local ground report, it feels like the pot of water is starting to turn to a boil. Not yet all at once but getting awfully close. It’s escalating. I think Trump realizes and that is why he is sending in the troops with urgency before the cities descend into irreparable chaos. He isn’t announcing the urgency and severity probably because he doesn’t want to cause panic but the danger in the streets is bad, really bad and escalating fast. Help is needed.
Thank you for the timeline, Sundance, and the immense effort that went into it. I know you do this in pursuit of the truth and have no agenda, and I’m one of many readers who appreciate it.
The bottom line, however, is that there wouldn’t have been a need for this timeline at all if the Israel First crowd had treated Charlie better while he was still alive. Charlie didn’t deserve those smears. Charlie’s FANS didn’t deserve to be harassed by the same crowd for sharing Charlie’s content. Nobody should have open their local news to tone deaf ADL finger-wagging about conspiracy theories, i.e. “Charlie Kirk assassinated; Israel most affected.” The PR disaster is a situation entirely of their own making, and I am therefore completely without sympathy for their plight.
Thank you so much. I still believe the treehouse is just another Israel is first second and last and the most important issue in the world..And it’s America’s Eternal obligation to support Israel both financially politically in all affairs even if Jews successfully conquer Ukraine and start treating the Christian Ukrainians as badly as the Russian ✡️🕎communists treated Ukrainians during the 1930s famine and genocide
When you say Jews do you even know what you are talking about?
There are hundreds of different types of communities, all with their own mini culture within the culture. Extremely diverse and do not at all think the same way.
Even within the Israel first crowd, there are dozens of different types of groups that disagree with each other. It’s extremely complex and nuanced. Jews are trained over centuries to question and think critically. There is a saying, where you’ll find two Jews , you’ll find three opinions. The vast majority of Jews in the USA have got no say in the decisions of the Israeli government or in any Mafia running Ukraine. They are being gaslit and propagandized too. Just like Americans.
It’s relentless.
Just like the media here in the USA are fake news, so it is world wide too. There is no Israeli first crowd that smeared Charlie. There are a handful of elites trying to create and sell a narrative about the Israel supporting crowd that is as accurate as the mainstream media. Cherry picking info and shaping the conversation and omitting context etc ..
It’s like a foreigner reading cnn and forming their opinion about Americans way of thinking
Serious talk. A pattern of per capita violence among the trans community is becoming apparent. It is easy and probably with some merit to point out the deleterious effects of manipulating hormones. But such naturalistic explanations are not enough when the BOYFRIEND of such an individual becomes violent. We Christians know not only that Jesus is God, but that there is an invisible world full of angels and demons. Even the nonbeliever acknowledges the existence of evil, although he cannot coherently explain the origin of such discernment. And there is evil afoot here.
Most people want to live and let live. But when we are literally not allowed to live when we criticize this lifestyle and these evils, we have to acknowledge that there is more going on here than normal, and we need a different approach.
Real (probably foreign) assassination team escapes, crisis actor/patsy with evolving backstory emerges. Thoughts and prayers. Rinse, repeat.
[They] will never stop until removed from the battlefield.
So Tucker is a anti-semite now?
Yes, unfortunately. I used to greatly admire the man. He became unwatchable. His hatred is palpable. Even his gaze has changed. Huge disappointment.
Exactly
I’ve been saying this from the beginning.
There are traitors deeply embedded in the Israeli government. Working against the will of the people.
Similar to what is going on here.
I think they were trying to take down Bibi Netanyahu when they deliberately withheld information from him before and after the attack. He was trying to hold the courts accountable to the will of the people. Right now the supreme court chooses themselves and overrides legislation on a whim and are stacked with radical leftists godless judges. There are no checks and balances at all.
Charlie Kirk’s despicable murder by a despicable degenerate may turn out to be for the left’s conquest of our culture what October 7th became for Hamas, its total annihilation.
Perhaps there is no direct link, however…. OTOH, I have zero confidence in the investigating agencies to disclose any funding surge or influence. Something flipped the switch in the shooter’s head, and that will be where the trail stops.
Motive, means and opportunity.
Who had a motive?
Who had the means, for instance decades long experience in committing assassinations, including the use of patsies?
Who had the opportunity? For instance, who has massive influence in every aspect needed to murder Kirk and pull it off “without evidence?”
The “no evidence” perspective is a short-sighted, niggardly one which depends upon trust in the veracity and reliability of government and government adjacent institutions controlled or influenced by massive wealth, blackmail and coercion.
Sundance
Thank you for bringing added clarity to this horrible event. As usual, you are laying down the facts until we get new info in a very readable way. You’re a treasure.
So the jews were no way involved. Got it!
Any thoughts on how building 7 fell ?
His wife probably knows who would want to kill him.
He asked some pastor just prior to assassination, “please pray for me, I think they are going to try to kill me.” ( On You Tube)
So, why such lax security?
From the constant defenders of “America Last”, it seems like 8200 has permanently attached itself to this website. For years this was the first website I visited with my morning coffee. The, now, neo-con inundated Presidential thread leaves very few comments worth reading.
Now I await the typical responses from the same infiltrators, such as “then go somewhere else if you don’t like the comments”. Like nearly every decent independent-minded website, once commenters wander from the plantation, the invisible hand corrals the unsuspecting back in line, while the independent-minded leave, looking for untainted ground in which to engage.
I live in one of the most 🕎✡️ areas in America. Everything from the most secular pro gay pro trans BLM antifa George Floyd supporters to CEO of Disney Zuckerberg who used Disney money to put radical Castro trained Marxist Mayor Karen Bass in as Mayor of the biggest city in America. On the other extreme are the Halloween costume ✡️🕎 who spit when they pass Christian churches and won’t sit next to any female from age 6 to 80 on an airplane for fear she might be menstruating Unlike Zionist Protestants who live 100 miles away from any ✡️🕎✡️🕎✡️🕎 and attend churches decorated with menorahs Torah scrolls stars of David and Israel flags.
Facts are facts truth is truth about America’s greatest ally and it’s operative Zelenskyy even more about AIPAC AJC ADL and hundreds more tax deductible organizations
Conservative Treehouse just confirms the prevailing opinion that the word conservative is just a signal the organization is just another ADL AJC AIPAC front group America last 🇮🇱first.
are you from the cast of “unorthodox”?
Needless to say conspiracy theories abound.
How does an unemployed individual live in a $1800 a month household ?
How does an unemployed individual afford anything let alone firearms and accessories ?
How does an unemployed individual afford a vehicle and survive without outside assistance ?
Sounds like an unemployed roofing contractor that traveled globally involved in Ukraine that tried to remove PDJT.
Why did FBI hide the photos of the suspect from Patel for 12 hours? Why did they also hide the shooter’s boyfriend’s trans identity from Patel for as long as possible? What’s next? CRS threatening the family into issuing a “don’t make this tragedy about politics or trans” public statement?
Sundance thank you so much for bringing this issue up and for the way you brought it up. You found a way to bring it up that encourages everyone to get in on the conversation.
I agree with most of what Sundance wrote. There are a couple of things I question. One is your contention that the Evangelical/pro-Israel conservatives donor group was specifically for DeSantis and not also for Donald Trump. I am sure there were Evangelicals and pro-Israel conservatives who were going to vote for DeSantis as President, but not all the Evangelicals or all the pro-Israel conservatives wanted DeSantis. It’s a little misleading to assign all Evangelicals and all pro-Israel conservatives to the DeSantis campaign.
Then there is the main issue, that I see a lot on social media, that people feel that they get criticized as being antisemitic if they criticize Israel. Here there is the need for specific data: what was the criticism of Israel and what was the exact criticism that you received.
Here is an example: Megyn Kelly says to Israel, “It’s enough, time to wrap it up.” Megyn Kelly says she was called antisemitic for saying that.
What has taken Israel so long to win this war? (1)The first year of the war the Biden Administration basically stopped Israel from proceeding with the war. (2)Secondly in Gaza there are hostages there that have to be taken into account and that slows the progress of the war. (3)Then there is a problem that was just made public: Did you know that the legal system in Israel oversees the military campaigns? Did you know that in Israel lawyers in the deep state who are PROGRESSIVES can actually stop or slow down an effort if they think there will be too many civilian casualties? We do not have that system in the US. The only thing similar that we have are judges who can stop a President from doing what he or she needs to do for the country.
I learned this from Avi Abelow: https://pulseofisrael.com/2025/09/01/legal-deep-state/
I don’t know who called Megyn Kelly antisemitic. But it is not true. She isn’t antisemitic. If I had known the three reasons the war has taken so long I would have explained them to Megyn. My point is there are reasons Israelis or Jews who care deeply about Israel may find criticism of Israel difficult, just as Charlie Kirk says: if you are feeling like it is 1936 and are living in Nazi Germany, you feel they could come for you next. It makes American Jews wonder do we have a future here? Or will everyone who is not Jewish find it easier to get rid of the Jews rather than be associated with Jews? I am Jewish, and I wonder what has happened in our country, in which I personally NEVER experienced antisemitism (I’m 72 years old) to now experiencing it daily in social media. I am as America first as anyone can be, but I also love Israel. That doesn’t mean their government is beyond criticism. It means it’s important for me to understand what is going on there, and what policies the government is proposing to solve their problems.
What I think has been happening is that Qatar, the biggest donor of all, has been trying to split up MAGA. They started with Tucker Carlson, helping him with a loan to start his media company. Tucker Carlson now is interested in disempowering Israel and empowering Iran. You can tell this because he invites people to his show who say a lot of inaccurate things about Israel that, were they true, would make Israel look bad. And as the moderator, Carlson. never corrects them. So the lies get to stand as if they were true. Any time Qatar can split up conservatives from one another, is a good day for Qatar. Here you have Jews feeling that some conservatives no longer support Israel, whereas prior to October 7th that wasn’t the case, and you have non-Jewish conservatives feeling they are being called antisemitic when they aren’t antisemitic. Great! Now conservatives are split between Jews and non-Jews! That’s exactly what Obama tried to do. He worked for 8 years to make Jew hatred normalized in this country.
My feeling is this: I believe we conservatives have more in common than we have differences. I am hoping we can focus on policy issues that we have in common, and recognize the efforts of powerful people who want to split up MAGA and most of all, want to see Jews degraded and destroyed no matter in which country they reside.
As Sundance pointed out, Charlie Kirk did not die because of anything related to Jews or his feeling about Jews. Charlie Kirk died because someone could not destroy his movement and could not destroy his power. So he (or they) killed him.
My guess to why the Jews are the biggest threat to the elites power is because generally the first reaction by a Jew to hearing any claim is “why?”, followed by, “how does that square with whatever else you said before”. Add in a stubborn streak of “go ahead, make me do whatever I don’t agree to do” and good luck.
really difficult to control and manipulate. I saw this attitude on full display here during the thick of covid.