A slight change of venue in Russia as President Trump envoy Steve Witkoff travels to St Petersburg for his third meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The talks come as President Trump’s other special envoy to Ukraine, Keith Kellogg, is apparently starting to realize Vladimir Putin is not going to return the four Russian speaking regions in Ukraine east of the Dnipro river.
(Via MSM) – Donald Trump’s special envoy to Ukraine has claimed that the country could be partitioned like Berlin after the Second World War as part of a peace deal – as the US president urged Russia to “get moving” on a ceasefire.
Keith Kellogg told The Times that British and French troops could adopt zones of control in the west of the country, forming a “reassurance force”, while Russia’s army could remain in the occupied east – separated by Ukrainian forces and a demilitarised zone.
The Anglo-French-led force west of the Dnipro river – which bisects Ukraine from north to south – would “not be provocative at all” to the Kremlin, said Mr Kellog, who was excluded from peace talks last month because Russia complained that he was “too close” to Kyiv. (more)
All we know for sure is that Trump cares far more about Russian and Ukrainian lives than does either Putin or Zelensky.
nice equivalency. wrong, but nice.
Our country is fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.
Trump says he wants to see the bloodshedding ended. But he speaks as though the Kiev regime is a legitimate and independent country, and he is “mediating”.
Trump has the power to end the bloodshed now, but has chosen not to. Cut off all funds, end all arms and pull out all US military.
Shut down the Ukraine command center in Germany, where out military runs the Kiev military.
The agonizing waste of lives would be over immediately. NATO was defeated, period. Now it’s similar to the last week’s of the 3rd Reich, with thousands of conscripts being slaughtered and the neo-Nazi Azov units fanatically fighting to the last man and bullet.
all of that is true, but Robert is trying to do this verbal equivalency thing between Putin and Zel.
While i have no deep insight into whether either is a good human or what is truly in his heart… when i look out over the landscape and known facts, the equivalency of their callousness is not even remotely accurate.
it comes from people who now SEE with their own eyes that the propaganda we’ve been fed all our lives about russia is probably wrong – but they still cannot bring themselves to accept it. and so the fallback is a classic “yeah but THEY did it toooo”
When you recognize that Robert Stolte is a foreign operative with many names beginning with Listless Vessel and most tellingly Tav, then all his sniping at Sundance and distortions of truth are quite purposeful and far beyond a mere misunderstanding or difference of opinion.
His tells are as glowy as a stolen nuclear arsenal and his dirty tactics reminiscent of ploys as brutal as those that engineered The Samson Option.
Tav, the Alpha and Omega of Make America Look At This and General of Inanity.
It took me nearly 6 years to lose my “Soviet-a-phobia” circa 2014-16.
Which was drummed into me since the 1950’s.
I haven’t watched “MSM anything” since the early 1990’s.
I didn’t know who “Trump” was, but I detested Hillary.
Using twitter, I slowly learnt about ISIS (Turkey) vs the Kurds, CTH aka TLR2, DeepState, Putin and Russia.
Until the great twitter purge of 2021 …
I’ve known a few of you for nearly a decade now!
cheers from Australia
He’s Tav? Bad actor.
Some of them really DO glow, don’t they my friend.
You made me work for this one! I now know what a merism is!
You don’t know Putin and what he cares for. The results are obvious and the Russian army is an army of animals and they die like dogs.
Just because our enemies and political opponents hate Putin, doesn’t mean automatically that he’s the good guy… Many fall for this fallacy
Is it you Seb Gork……?????
sure ..we do have plenty-warmongering animals – in the CONgress …Seb G(?)
Kellogg gotta go. He’s bad news.
very baaad…
But millions are brinwashed into thinking that this is Ukraine’s war, not the U.S.; so if Trump lays down the weapons, ends funding…his administration will get the blame for “surrendering to Putin.” He HAS to play the mediator game.
Enough games. It must end at once. Blood continues to be on the hands of the USA every day this continues.
Brian is correct:
” Trump has the power to end the bloodshed now, but has chosen not to. Cut off all funds, end all arms and pull out all US military.
Shut down the Ukraine command center in Germany, where our military runs the Kiev military.”
The Ukraine is a construct of the CIA, just as ALL conflicts in the world carry water and make money for the CIA; war is more prosperous than peace.
The IC is evil to the core, governs itself, and is virtually untouchable…………the world is their oyster!
Defund, nullify, and kick their a**es to the curb in every country they have set their grubby claws into.
I sure af don’t know that.
VSGPDJT can not end war … ds is still powerful…. saad…. he found rather quickly . This war end on russian terms….we do not have card it was bho/fjb war now is VSGPDJT war…
Looks like Chuck Schumer & the Biden Administration care more about Hamas terrorist lives than Israeli’s.
Lawsuit: Biden Gave $1.5B That Aided Hamas, Terror Groups
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/ronny-jackson-lawsuit-biden/2024/04/16/id/1161161/
I know you’re as shocked about this as I am.
/sarc
(Needles to say, the sarc tag isn’t for you.)
You are not a serious person.
sure
“No Lives Matter” – E.U.S.S.R
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114099924838350231
“People were given money for their opinions. Big celebrities and movie stars. They were given money to go to Ukraine, so they did not do it from the heart or out of sympathy for the Ukrainians.”
–Viktor Orban, TV2 Hungary, March 1, 2025
Ukraine is to Trump as Vietnam was to LBJ.
it is his war, now.
wtf? Because Trump has continued supporting long range strikes? Because he’s interested in committing troops to ukr? Nonsense
Vietnam conflict was real
Cue the experts: ‘tell that to the millions of soldiers killed in battle’
2,000 or so per week were told. lets do the math.
i know there is a contingent here and elsewhere that think its a “fake” war and very few (or no one) are actually dying. if that is what you are trying to say, i wish you well. not sure there is any point in having a debate if we cannot agree on some foundational facts.
for those who differ, and speaking of math… put yourself in russia’s shoes. all the peace conferences and deals and tweets in the world do not change the fact that since the day Trump was inaugurated, we have continued to send weapons, money, intel, and people. all of that could have stopped on the first day, as Trump promised. Hundreds will probably die TODAY, from American bullets, bombs, and intelligence that Trump is not only aware of, he turned back ON after a couple days of shutting it down.
therefore, as a russian, every death that has occurred since then is on the USA. and in our names, as Trump supporters.
Presidents Putin and Trump want the same thing; LASTING peace, which means ‘security guarantees’ for Russia, that in 4 or 8 years the same Globullust asshat neocons who for 20 years advanced inch by inch closer to Russia with NATO expansion, who initiated and bought the Euromaiden revolution, who installed and control crazy Zman, etc. are no longer in control, and in no position to start up, again.
These entities, both the Eurowienies currently in control of the EU, Von Lederhosen, Mercel, Starmer, etc. along with the Deep State within the U.S. Govt. are the Common Enemy” of both Presidents, and neither can defeat this common enemy on their own, …only thru working TOGETHER is it possible.
Tariffs is the key, to so many things. With tariffs, PDJT has wrested control of foreign policy away from the CIA/USAID/STATE and now HE can negotiate foreign policy according to his vision of our National best interests.
Up to and including bringing about regime change, not by the subterfuge of color revolutions, but just by the trade deals he does or doesn’t cut.
If his ending the Marshall plan subsidies to the EU countries, forces them to institute austerity measures, which causes their people to vote them out of office, and install Nationalist/Populist governments uninterested in pillaging Russia, and instead interested in listening to their people, dumping the DEI, TRANS and MIGRANT policies of their predescessors (and no doubt getting far more favorable trade deals) is that “bringing about regime change”?
I don’t know, but its far more honest and direct dealing with other countries, than this underhanded USAID color revolution crap, its directed BY PDJT instead of unelected beaurocrats, and instead of costing billions, it brings in billions.
It defangs/depowers
both the Globullusts in
our own Govt., and
those in the EU.
And is the only rralistic path to giving Russia the security guarantees I mention earlier.
Don’t know or want to go into your first paragraph.
But all optics of the rest seem spot on, and disappoint greatly.
Much like Bondi, Patel and that bunch.
Wish PDJT would swing the big hammer and fire them and the war, please just say it, sir.
No, not in our names. When we elect someone to do what they say THAT is what’s on us.
Not quite right. Trump shut off the targeting systems if I recall. But that is irrelevant in that Trump uses the weaponry for a totally different reason than SlowJoe.
I have to ask, would Putin negotiate the same way if Trump had cancelled all support of Ukraine? Joe never even bothered to speak to Putin. Trump uses the weapons for a realistic end goal that Biden never had. Peace through strength, not world war III.
in the Viet nam war (1964-1975) 58,000 amer. soldiers been killed in the UKR/US/NATO- Russian WAR(SMO) in the short 38 months least 1 million ukr. soldiers been killed +100,000 + russians…….someone love when orthodox christians are killed…
Good grief 🙄
It’s not the same thing, since we don’t have troops on the ground. Trump is mainly trying to extricate us financially.
You do.
More like Afghanistan circa 1979 when the Russians invaded and the US funded and armed the locals to fight the Russians. The Ukes are the equivalent of the Mujahedeen. In twenty years we will probably end up having to fight them ourselves.
Jamiat-e Islami and Hezb-e Islami pre-date the Mujahideen just as the Azov Brigade pre-date the Russian invasion regardless of when they were absorbed by the National Guard, so yeah there is a comparison to be made.
I don’t recall seeing US Marine “advisors” splashing ashore at
DanangOdessa.Muley Bulley, Your comment suggests drug abuse is way more common in America than I thought.
Kievnam is to Kerry what Kerry is to LGB.
“Pardon me dad.” – Ketchup Kerry
Seriously? I’m sorry, read some history. If you said Nixon I might try to buy that one. But LBJ?
I laugh that this situation is now President Trump’s fault.
The idiocy is becoming hilarious.
not VSGPDJT…but he choose continue this war…..
It’s the current-thing crisis.
The hysteria will continue until crisis is established.
It’s not. You are correct.
The problem is that PDJT stated when running for election that he could end the war swiftly. What was that thought process/promise based on? There were no qualifiers in his campaign declaration.
The MSM is calling Witkoff a “novice.” I love these articles written by journalism majors who’ve never been out of the office and know nothing about anything.
I once worked with an older guy, a salesman his entire career, who told me a professional salesman can sell anything. He claimed that there are certain principles, skills, and processes that applied, no matter what product is being sold. Don’t need to be an expert on the product. Just know enough about it to promote it. I always believed him.
I knew another guy, a trial attorney, who claimed that a professional trial attorney can try ANY case, from capital murder to patent infringement to contract disputes to car accidents. No matter. He can try any case. According to him, there are certain principles and skills that apply in every case, that a trial lawyer didn’t need to be an expert in the area of law involved in his case, just the parts that applied to the case he has. I always believed him.
Seems to me what we have with Mr. Witkoff is a professional negotiator. Well …..
i don’t know what the answer is to applying a generalist or a specialist in this scenario.
but i DO know that if the previous group of idiots were “experts” – i’ll try the “novices” any day of the week.
It is said the way the Abraham accords came about was President Trunp told his ‘amatuer’ negotiators “Look carefully at everything the pro’s have done for the last 30 years, ..and then DON’T DO THAT!”
And in record time, they had the Lions laying down with the Lambs, something no previous admin. had managed.
The George Costanza School of Diplomacy and Architecture
IIRC … Sundance explained what the job of an “Envoy” is :-
To deliver a Sender’s exact message to the specific Recipient, and
Deliver the Recipient’s exact response message to the original sender.
I don’t remember “Negotiation” being mentioned.
Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Unless the context is one of “absolute/unconditional victory”, both sides to a negotiation have to receive some form of perceived benefit. I lay no blame at the foot PDJT for the current impasse. We know Zelensky’s strings are being pulled by others with no interest in a ceasefire/peace; and we know Putin has not accomplished all of his objectives.
As noted in a previous post, I wish PDJT had not committed his prestige to a promise he has been unable to fulfill. He likely misread the the situation or over-valued the power of the deal in a wartime context.
Witkoff’s a friend of Trump and a businessman in Qatar. But he has no business being a negotiator in the MidEast, he’s majorly compromised and/is working for Qatar’s interests, a terrorist state.
A bad choice, a very bad choice by Trump. This is going to end badly for Trump & MAGA if he’s not let go.
fwiw
“President Donald Trump has fired one of the top U.S. military officers at NATO headquarters in Brussels, adding greater uncertainty over America’s role in the nearly eight-decade alliance.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-fires-a-top-us-military-official-to-nato/ar-AA1Ctuyl
z is not trustworthy.
z is greedy.
z is not an honest broker.
[ because he is miss motivated otherwi$e ? ]
Is (actor) z a double agent – pretending to be for ukr –
that is working in a sting operation for russia (and china) in the ukr / russia theatre?
[ or working for nefarious sharias or i ran ?]
( p.s. by acting to be a friend of europe etc.
then the actor depletes europe etc. of kinetic resource$ etc.
grifts a boat load of asset$
and creates an imbalance of security / economics )
Whom is working with z in this wooden-nickel maneuvering?
( glob ist$ ? Whom are their miss companions in work / play ?)
Go ahead and get the rest of the inner workings exposed,
so that lives can be safe and productive – with the opportunity to pursue happiness.
[ it is doubtful that a public readout from todays’ meeting will jump into that real issue resolution.
But, it may get delicately, privately touched upon… maybe. With that, maybe there is a chance – for others. ]
p.s.
the amount of nefarious, often evil, often vengeful, greedy, often secret happenings in this world is ridiculous.
What ‘pleases’ ‘me’ with the ‘least effort’ does not work.
Hedonism, selfish individualism, minimalism does not work – they are destructive (and some think they like the results)
p.s.
The potential to do good is great.
Our desire for honest happiness is not going to go away. God, Country, family are the foundation the builds happiness.
Also our quest for happiness is a quest for God and our eternal home.
“The Way, the Truths, and the Life” John 14:6
Lent is here.
It is another opportunity to learn…and share …
Interesting comments from Alex Christoferou today, pointing out alleged division in Trump administration over Ukraine.
Kellog is living in fantasy land. Russia will never accept western troops in the Ukraine. Today the Ukrainian Rada extended martial law and mobilization. There’s no path to peace at this time and the Russian army is taking territory along the entire line. In several places the Ukrainian defense is collapsing. At some point this year the Ukrainian army will completely collapse. They are running out of men and materiel. The entirety of US and western military production cannot sustain the Ukrainian. With war very possible with Iran there’s no available reserves for the US to make available for Ukraine. It’s not politically feasible for Trump or Europe to admit this at this point so the political show will go on until the facade crumbles.
The “Kellog Map” is shown and discussed in Christoferou’s podcast in my comment above. It looks like a good way to keep the Ukraine war going for the next hundred years, if the world lasts that long.
Kellog is a flake.
Where’s Wordman when you need him?
fantasy
-How romantic! VP Vance and General Kellogg to fly to Munich to meet Zelensky on Valentine’s Day!
https://rumble.com/v6igz3s-ben-harnwell.html
Crossfire Hurricane 3: In Uniparty We NeverTrust
“…apparently starting to realize Vladimir Putin is not going to return the four Russian speaking regions in Ukraine east of the Dnipro river.”
No “Schlitz” Sherlock!!
That’s been baked-in for a long time now. Somewhere around the Mariupol & Bakhmut battles that just became a no-go.
And the northern border may change a bit, depending on what’s more defensible. No ‘Rush-Bagot’ ending.
Russia keeps Crimea. If Ukraine keeps going, Odessa could get added to Crimea, or the Transneister area.
border
“Build Borders Better” – Open Border Society
Odessa
colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7495549.html
Crimea
Decision day in Crimea. The region votes to secede and join Russia or become independent.
Trump needs to laser focus on China now and leave the fighting in Ukraine to Europe .whilecwevare helping them they ,th aezu, are busy colluding with China.
The premise of the conflict was manufactured or faked if you will. Hence the term fake war.
The manufactured war has become a hunan meat grinder.
I don’t get the terms confused.
Endless war, manufactured war, terror war, political war, information war, identity war, civil war, and so on.
When the assembly line of death started it was officially called an Anti-Terrorist Operation(ATO).
The War To End Wars branded WWII. WWI was a Human Meat Grinder War.
I don’t get the brands confused regardless of the terms.
“Ukraine’s acting President Olexander Turchynov has announced the start of an “anti-terrorist operation” against pro-Russian separatists.”
-Ukraine says Donetsk ‘anti-terror operation’ under way
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-27031318
You can’t “mediate” a conflict where you are one of the two combatants, so that’s the first piece of unreality we’re being fed.
Trump is trying to dictate terms to the side that won, and he obviously does not understand that that is what he is doing. I think the heart of the problem is that Tulsi Gabbard hasn’t yet been able to get enough control over the IC so that Trump gets real information.
The side that lost has been very vocal about what they need to win for a long time.
Crossfire Hurricane 4: In Crowdstrike We Trust
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
Ukrainians have been fighting revolutions against invasions for a long time.
Ukraine’s Orange Revolution: a sombre seventh anniversary
Strikes on energy infrastructure may be paused, but apparently strikes on civilians by the invader are still OK.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/04/13/over-thirty-killed-in-russian-missile-strike-in-ukraine/
Russia will make a better ally than Ukraine ever could; Ukraine is a construct of the CIA that closed and destroyed Churches, stopped elections, was the bread basket for US money laundering, a land full of nefarious labs, people trafficking, drugs and arms trafficking, AND bleed US of our prosperity.
The Russian boogeyman needs to be quelled; again it’s a construct of the CIA. The CIA’s main goal is conflict/war as a money maker and social changes to further the NWO/communism worldwide.
The CIA spreads social perversions to demoralize, dispirit, and cause mental frailty……..they call it warfare not mind control!!
God Help US
Ukraine is taking the place of Afghanistan, pure and simple; Kosovo needs some watching, too. they will be occupied for many years to come, no matter how much ‘peace’ is sought!!
The Russian speaking regions in Ukraine have been bombed relentlessly since 2014—they do not want to be part of Ukraine and who could blame them?
Zelensky can kiss them goodbye and he should take his stolen money and GTFO. The war must end. He lost. The End. I don’t want to pay for any more of it.
“……The Anglo-French-led force west of the Dnipro river – which bisects Ukraine from north to south – would “not be provocative at all” to the Kremlin, said Mr Kellog, who was excluded from peace talks last month because Russia complained that he was “too close” to Kyiv.”
…”not be provocative at all”??
Did clown Kellogg run this by the Kremlin before running his foolish mouth ?
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