White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt took several impromptu questions from media today about an upcoming announcement from President Trump to shut down most functions of the federal Dept of Education (aka Dept of Indoctrination).
According to Leavitt, President Trump will be making an announcement at 4:00pm today and likely to field questions about the education policy. WATCH:
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The winning continues….
And it’s only Day 60! 🇺🇸
And the First 100 Days is on the agenda.
Jesse Waters show today, about 8 minutes in:
Big, heavy-set NEA woman (National Education Association) at a podium shouting at the top of her lungs
“ALL the things !!! ALL the things !!! ALL the things !!! We must win ALL the things !!!
endlessly entertaining …
if you don’t care for Waters, you can probably look up the NEA clip on the u-tubes
here we go:
Stellar.
Looking forward to this!
Great start… hopefully next Team Trump will axe the Dept of (no)Energy. Previous doesn’t produce a single watt of electricity, but has entire workforce at power plants where the boiler was shut down years ago (e.g. Savannah , GA)
I’d say no to shutting down the Department of Energy.
That’s also where our nuclear energy is housed – and we absolutely need nuclear energy.
Revamp it, yes, and severely redesign the NRC, yes, but scrap it? No. It is actually serving a function…it’s just hidden down in the weeds.
The Department of Education and the EPA? These are agencies with zero functioning service.
The Department of Energy must be closed. Corrupt politicians and investors use it to artificially control our economy, manufacturing , jobs, etc..
For example: Hillary Clinton and Uranium One.
Nuclear energy should be managed by our DoD as it is part of our utilities and defense systems. It is controlled technology.
The decision was made after WWII when the Atomic Energy Act was passed that development and control of nuclear weapons and power should not reside with the military. That model has worked well ever since. Don’t see any reason to change it simply based on not liking an org chart.
A valid point… At minimum, It could be dramatically reduced in size though, and maybe limit it to nuclear only. Maybe change the name to dept of nuclear energy
Waiting for the next junk yard judge to assume the position of Education Department Head…
This Department, Jimmah Carter’s baby, is not in the Constitution.
A thread which maps out the existential road corrupt activist judges have dragged us down, and if the SC doesn’t intervene and quickly, its ultimate end point.
This extermination with earth salting after has to be done for our children and theirs who will follow.
Teachers’ Unions will be waiting to pounce.
The Rubicon must be crossed.
Godspeed, President Trump 🙏🏻 🇺🇸
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-03-20/judicial-coup
As well as the “3 Rs”…
There is so much of what schools now teach which is detrimental to the spiritual health and well being of our children. School doesn’t have to be a drudge.
Make our children WANT to go school again!!
Trop Mignon!
Why doesnt AG Bondi or a Admin legal indiv just tell these Rogue leftist judges to prove they have standing, authority ….to take the stance they do.
Trump needs to state: we move forward until or if they can prove they can control Exec branch via higher courts… SCOTUS ultimatly. Get Roberts to do more than talk.
They cannot
He can’t and won’t.
She needs to have President Trump’s back on this.
“You seem to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.
Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privileges of their corps…
Their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves.”
~Thomas Jefferson~
CO-EQUAL and CO-SOVEREIGN.
Yes, shows Jefferson was more in tune with Rousseau philosophy and French Revolution ideas of liberté, égalité, fraternité.
I was about to ask: Was Jefferson right about this, or once again simply the eloquent Jefferson being Jefferson? Would Adams or Washington agree?
He was chosen to assimilate other men’s thoughts into a single constitutional document. He didn’t author it, although the inflammatory Declaration was mostly his. He was the scribe, secterary, and collaborator – and a very good one. But let’s not b get too carried away. Madison, Adams, Hamilton, and Jay were the thinkers who drove the Constitution. Jefferson had a part in it, as did Washington and Franklin – but it’s not his document.
Caddisfly, your pronouncement does not make Jefferson’s words less true nor less clear. Philosophers, especially one such as Jefferson, are often astute in both human nature and in the concepts of governing, and can present and help guide the integration of those 2 angencies.
Problem is, these judges don’t look at constitution questions they look at politics and how a decision benefits the democrats! No longer constitutional questions!
Huge problem. Hubris gets in the way I think.
Obviously no “departments” are in the Constitution. Not sure what point you are making.
Looking at Ed Dept programmatically, the two big things are student aid/loans for college (eg Pell Grants) and “special education” funding. Tell me your plan for those and we can go from there.
See 10th Amendment, which is as clear as it gets.
And yes, I should have been more precise in what I posted.
Not always easy when excited and tapping out a comment. Which is how a lot of people got themselves into trouble on that platform formerly known as Twitter.
I doubt if any Treeper has a proofreader available to check their comment before hitting “Post Comment”. Much thanks for the edit feature added when the website was hardened and revised.
My only quip with the present site is that flag alert so close to the paper clip for link copying.
Oh, as well as early links no longer working when “page 2” is added after sufficent comments have been posted.
*”Student” aid is why college costs are outrageous!
Get the feds out of anything not included in the Constitution.
If you let the camel get it’s nose under the tent you will soon have the whole camel!
I’d say you have whole herds of camels in the tent.
*College welfare.
In the past 30 years, the price of College textbooks has increased about 300%, putting it at the very top of a study I read on inflationary pressure on prices. Sorry, no link.
That was a few years ago, it might be 400% right now, AV (After Virus)
Or “After Biden”
In the mid 1960’s, college engineering textbooks were from $5 to $12 each. I just went through a few dozen of them while reorganizing my study. Today, I checked Spamazon and couldn’t believe the prices. Also, since the professors now write their own texts and revise them yearly, a student can’t even buy a four year old used book that will match the class content…. sucks.
The ratio of administrators to professors to students has become heavily ‘administrator’ and much less professor and students.
Grrrrrrrrrr
Yes, to keep sales up and prevent the recycling and reuse of textbooks, they are “revised” by the big publishers in ways to prevent them from being used a few years later.
Mathematics textbooks are merely rearranged using the same problems and solutions.
Accounting principles do not change. However, the pictures and chapters in the textbooks are changed.
Books that cannot change, such as Grey’s Anatomy for biology and nursing/ medical students, are priced at $300.
Most school systems cannot afford new books like you try to explain here. I think in 32 years of education I might have seen 3 different history books.
No what else? In Modern American History when I left 8 years ago, we got no further that the Vietnam war. 50 years of history not being taught.
If you can solve that problem then we might have solved some of the issues. But, not the biggest ones.
I was referring to college textbooks that students have to purchase themselves, not textbooks used in elementary and high schools. Those have their own issues, especially since “common core” was interjected into public school curriculums.
Maybe we should also consider only providing funding to colleges and universities that have an enrollment population that consists of at least 80% American citizens. The current demographic state is more on the order of less than 50% of enrollment. Why are we using American tax dollars to educate the world.
Our leaders are cannibalizing our future. A literate population is a necessity for sustainable societies. I have hope the home school remnant will become the next generation leaders. It only takes a few courageous and independent thinkers to change the course of history. We have a great historical basis for the development of strong, patriotic leadership.
Back to our roots! This is a constant refrain in the old testament. It is the height of hubris for man to think that his generation can create a better path to human harmony and social progress. We are definitely in the tail portion of the normality distribution curve.
If those got shut off, college costs would drop dramatically. Subsidizing something always raises its price.
If colleges want to hand out loans on their own dime, go for it.
More than special ed – try looking at the No Child Left Behind package. Try looking at the edicts regarding content that trickle down from the federal government, with or without the funding to enact them.
If the DOE were reduced in scope and budget, and the monies saved distributed back to the states on a per ADA basis, I have no doubt that some schools (particularly in rural areas) would soar and some (in inner cities) would descend further into decay.
The cure? How about each state establishes as task force, sees where ts share of the fed money should go, how the effectiveness of the expenditure is to be measured, and then is given a green light to implement its own plan – and be held accountable. Schools know how to write objectives – and most, to meet criteria for outside funding, have written them until they are blue in the face and the onjectives sit in fat green binders on top shelves where they’re seldom read or followed and collect dust – as the staff is too busy writing more objectives for more programs.
Let the parents, teachers and administrators assess their own needs, write their own programs once, and then teach! When it’s over, have a measuring stick that says “How did the kids do?”
If they did better, give the school more money. Keep the baseline money in place for all schools. If no progress is noted for three years, identify why. Once identified, dismiss the incompetent, tighten up the social environment, or do whatever it takes and go again.
The problem with Title 1, etc. is that the school is rewarded, ultimately, for failure. Bring every kid up to standard in reading and math, and the money goes away. Once up to standard, there is no incentive, no reward for excellence.
Hang an objective incentive out there, instead of a disincentive based on a Q1 Q2 assessments that never go away, and see which school progresses – and which poor, underprivileged school all-of-a-sudden steps up – with rejuvenated interest and eyes on the prize. And watch who steps up or steps aside once their feet are held to the fire.
And who’s to say, ultimately? The parents who put their kids in the schools!
Start there.
“Excellence” is a dirty words these days. It’s out..
In?
All must have prizes.
There are no Tesla Dealerships. There are no Tesla dealers. There are Tesla stores. Elon Musk is authoritative on this issue.
everyone needs to send their representative these facts
January 2014, the CIA escalated a protest movement in Ukraine against then-President Viktor Yanukovych, who had chosen closer ties with Russia over the European Union. The protests quickly grew, leading to Yanukovych’s ousting in February 2014, Russia’s annexation of Crimea in March 2014, and the onset of war in eastern Ukraine. Just two months later, in April 2014, Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company.
there is vicious cycle of blackrock vanguard etc bribe usa to coup to install themselves in ukraine oil, then want to steal more land have usa order pet gov in ukraine to proxy war against russia while borrow money from Blackrock, also raytheon will price gouge weapons
https://archive.org/details/2014-Ukraine-Coup-McCain
aware can reset inflation back a few years so wages regain value? but need to serious end the war for profit games originally started by bush obama harris waltz biden joined at the hip called steal 7 countries wesley clark memo2001/proxy against russia2004 which cost over 30 trillion deficits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWlY75gm0wU&list=WL
mccain-muphy parade in ukraine-syria confirm jolani/zelensky is fake freedom fighters handpick overseen by pnac
The only way to end large-scale wars and death and destruction is to End the Fed. The Fed and its worthless fiat paper money and fractional-reserve lending and legalized counterfeiting by the Treasury is how they do it. All the corruption around us is due to this one thing. All of it.
End the Fed. Sound money for all.
How important is ending the Fed? A Federal Reserve must be very, very important to the Elites to do their dirty work, as every country that has tried to, or actually ended, their dependence upon a fiat currency…has been regime-changed, or has had war declared upon it.
Evidence Libya (tried to get back onto the gold standard) and Russia (moved its ruble to being backed by silver).
Libya was destroyed; Russia is now the target for WW 4.0.
Federal Reserve = Bank of England
“there is vicious cycle of blackrock vanguard etc bribe usa to coup to install themselves in ukraine oil, then want to steal more land have usa order pet gov in ukraine to proxy war against russia while borrow money from Blackrock, also raytheon will price gouge weapons”
See my comment below:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/03/20/white-house-press-secretary-karoline-leavitt-takes-questions-about-dept-of-education-reform-effort-potus-to-speak-at-400pm-et/#comment-11660660
The first lawsuit will be at 4:01.
Beat me to it. Start the injunction countdown clock!
Most folks weren’t living as adult from JFK’s assassination through today and those who were not questioning their govt. But those of us who were living and began questioning events, particularly events that shaped changes in American lives like JFK/MLK/RFK murders, remember less than six months after JFK murder, LBJ introduced the “Great Society”, creating a welfare state intended to enslave the black and create the control their lives and ultimately growing the largest voting bloc. LBJ is famously stated 1963… “These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference… I’ll have them n*****s voting Democratic for the next two hundred years”.
The “uppityness” LBJ referenced was the actualization of the civil rights legacy of MLK/JFK that paved the way for minorities to advance in corp/entreprenural/political/academic leadership. To further stifle that advancement Jimmy Carter carved out the Dept of Ed from the HHS Agency – the point of indoctrination of America’s youth – to purposefully control education and strategically omitting that history that would encourage blacks to achieve. Further ensuring that strategy wasn’t derailed, Carter also created the SES (Sr Exec Svc) as an elite partisan army to lead in major govt management positions, the “Unelected Bureaucracy” opposing ANY AND ALL legislation or appropriations impacting their strategy and are the “stay overs” today opposing Pres Trump. Understanding this history helps people to connect the dots of this grand strategy that evolved into a goal of total control and power. Many are waking up to the fact that the women’s movement, sexual revolution, VietNam, USS Liberty, 9/11 – nearly EVERY event reshaping America has been a controlled psyop entrenching that strategy into America’s institutions. People will learn nearly EVERY military engagement has been started with a choreographed event. When America understands this hopefully they’ll stand up to the Progressives (both Repub/Dems) and end the insanity once and for all. The Dems and their minions can NEVER hold power in America again.
“People will learn nearly EVERY military engagement has been started with a choreographed event.”
^^^ THIS ^^^
(AKA “banker’s wars)
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For every conflict, “follow the money”
Ask yourself, who is profiting?
– James Dale Davidson
(paraphrased)
EXCELLENT, succinct summary! Signed, A 1960 Baby
In the US, the Uniparty, BOTH wings, must be banished to the ‘ashheap of history’ with the “Campaign on lower taxes and smaller Govt. but Govern on big Govt. and more spending” Repubs joining the “Woke” DEI,CC, Trans nutjob Dems as a permanent discredited minority.
In Europe, the EU must be dissolved, and the “alt-right” populist parties have to defeat and displace the current Globullust parties.
Frankly, the Globullusts must be defeated, worldwide. Ultimately that means discrediting their inherently flawed ideology, and purging them from every institution, from Churches and Universities, Corporations and Governments…discredit the ideology is the essential part, because once you do that, dislodging is possible.
’54 Baby
The Dparty has accomplished the first sixty years.
Will they make it to 100, let alone 200?
If Jasmine Crockofsheet and members of the squad are any indication …
Cue the loonatic circuit court judges still suffering from the very unfortunate but totally understandable cases of TDS.
The Constitution only permits judges to serve during “Good Behavior”. High crimes and misdemeanors are not required to remove judges who demonstrate TDS. It is not clear to me why the impeachment of judges with demonstrated TDS is discussed in terms of “high crimes and misdemeanors” required for judge impeachment, when only lack of “good behavior” prevents continued service of judges.
Crazed , unequal, unbiased Political TDS behavior is not “good behavior”
sorry –
Crazed, unequal, BIASED Political TDS behavior is not “good behavior”>
I’m afraid what I’m seeing is, first;
“We are shutting down [most of] USAID [… don’t ask about what we kept funding and secretly swept under own own wing somewhere else that the next administration can bloat right back to the old size of USAID]”
Now;
“We shut down [most of] DOE! […except don’t ask about those useful hand outs we really like and shuffled to a different department, where they can grow unwatched to the old size and bloat of old DOE.]”
But it’s a compromise from the great deal maker and it’s the best we’ve ever gotten. So I’m not complaning exactly. It’s a win, just not the ideal 100%, dustbin-of-history win we always hope and pray for.
Thank you, trump. I pray it’s enough.
And what really happened was that all functions of USAID were transferred to the Secretary of State’s office and it was the Secretary of State that closed down various agencies, employees, and fundings -as was his authority to do and yet the lawsuits were against Elon Musk, DOGE and the office of the President of the United States –
lawfare, meant to give noise and angst to the minds while never intended to stand once fully appealed to the Supreme Court. Even the comment by the chief justice, Roberts, was about comments made by the sitting President and not on any actual law.
Expecting we will se the same lawfare filings against this upcoming whittling down of the size of the Dept. of Education, that is, getting rid of the bureuacrats while crying muh students, all to keep the talking heads still with television shows busy while it wends its way through the courts to ultimately be ruled within the power of the Executive branch.
Winning, this time – two birds, one stone in reducing the reach and power of the bureaucracy and at the same time exposing the lower courts for the political hacks they have now become.
I guess the whole reason we want the DOE 100% closed down is because its existance and activity is unconstitutional. This “pairing down” maintains the premise that the federal govt has a right to guide, fund and be involved in states education.
Slightly different situation with USAID,, our constitution actually allows for this international covert influence operation /meddling.
I just see it all growing back to it’s original bloat in the next admin. Ditto with the activities of DoEd.
Actually, an ESSENTIAL part of the process, is the exposure of the opponents, as they are now going to be arguieng they want to keep a system that has spent trillions of $’s, to dumb down our students.
Add that to the long list of rediculous things they are defending; condoms to Uganda, LBGTQ to arab countries, etc.
They are actually completing the process of discrediting themselves, that PDJT can only initiate.
So, go ahead Wiengarten, get out their and start shrieking, as head if the Union.
And talking heads, just try crying over “the children!” …
The fact that these people discredit themselves is one of President Trump’s secret talents. Really is amazing to behold!
Seams like the departments started with good intentions and then they turn into a money laundering machine with terrible intentions.
SEAMS like it.
of coarse
There are no coincidences — only planned agenda.
During the campaign, PDJT floated the idea that school principles should be elected, voted on by the parents,…hope he reitrrates that, as its a great idea.
Right now, there is little way to know who the school board member candidates are so they can be properly vetted. I believe one should know their voting record so we can see where their priorities are.
As for the superintendents and principals… same scenario.
All need to watch out for the superintendents union because they are the ones destroying student protecting legislation at the local level. Evil incarnate and the kids are pawns.
Well, school boards are elected, right? And they hire administrators… so act locally – get involved, it’s eye opening!
No. Here in Hawaii there is a single state school board, all appointed by the governor. On a practical basis, the legislature is the real school board.
We do have something called “school districts”. They are administrative blocks on the org chart with a bunch of staff who manage the lower level of boxes, the “school complex”. But other things, like facilities, are run directly out of the state DoEd.
On the positive side you have Crazie Morono as senator.
Oh were it that easy.
People here were fed up with school board and did in fact elect some reasonable and conservative minded folks. The leftists on the board no doubt with staff help made their lives miserable and so the resigned.
Microcosm of our country.
Great idea, but first we need real elections. Yes school board elections get rigged too, and they are affecting real estate. See very interesting article by Peter Bernegger on CDM.press. “They Are Coming for Your Home: The Impending Public Debt Collapse”
cdm.press/analysis/2025/03/19/bernegger-they-are-coming-for-your-home-the-impending-public-debt-collapse
What’s with those Charmin pinheads that gotta be in the picture behind her???
SARCASM HEADLINE:
DC District Judge rules that PDJT DOE must return the unconstitutional forgiven loan funds to the people Joe Biden was prohibited from giving them to last year.
Because (let me check my notes), Oh yeah, Orange Man Bad or something.
Stand by for the next order from the President de jure, aka another DC District Judge.
OK, how many hours before a judge rules, he cannot do this? Bueller Bueller anyone?
The money going there would’ve been well spent, IMO, had he turned it into “The Dept. of Constitutional Law and Civics Education” for the remainder of his (may it be extended) position… like he turned the IT dep’t. into DOGE.
Where’s the incentive going to come from now for the states to 1) educate our future/children and 2) bring dumbed-down/propagandized Americans up-to-speed with remedial adult classes???
Seems to me that would be a worthwhile infrastructure-re-building project for the gov’t. to assign & to assist the states’ with… ‘you get this Huge chunk/bulk of Federal money… *but only* for teaching Americans how to be responsible, self-governing citizens of this Constitutional Republic as the Founding Fathers intended’…
and nothing if you teach 1) no civics at all or 2) the culture-rotting socialism/maoism/stalinism/leninism/communism.
Handing over External Revenue money to any state that won’t is just a fool’s errand; as per the gov’t. usual obviously.
Make
Education
Sane
Again
There is a very good case to be ade for this statement.
And I cant think of any to oppose it.
Retired Magistrate here: I graduated from high school in 1965 with enough training to get my first job two days after I graduated: as a secretary. I took business classes in high school (my parents could not afford to send me to college) because I wanted to be able to support myself and live on my own as soon as possible. My parents were fine; I just wanted to be on my own.
Along with the business classes we were taught U.S. history, geography, basic math skills (if I were college bound there were higher levels of math), appropriate language skills, art, home economics (wanted to take shop but I couldn’t; no girls allowed) civics and electives.
My point being, if you could not afford, or didn’t want to go to college, you had enough skills to get a job right after graduation.
During my tenure on the bench, I dealt with so many young people who could barely read and write; a product of the federal education system.
As a result, I am now a big proponent of trade schools and business schools for young people. Most colleges and universities don’t prepare young adults for anything other than regurgitating what some professor has filled their heads with; no ability to tackle a problem and reach a logical conclusion. A very said state of affairs.
Remember when PDJT in rallies promised to seize the endowments of corrupt universities and revamp the system so real worthwhile productive educations would be available without indenturing oneself?
He does.
A Golden Age indeed.
I am completely with you, Marcia.
Long ago I thought a university degree (which I have) was the key to success. Then I moved overseas, and my views changed completely.
My university educated Navy vet son undertook to become an Industrial HVAC specialist. He has moved up the ladder and is tremendously successful, more so than he ever would have been with the liberal arts degree he earned.
No debt, a beautiful home and family, content, no regrets, and in Texas will never be out of work.
Like you, I, too, wish more youngsters today would follow that path. I imagine many lives could be changed for the better if they would do so.
I’m an engineer, married to a lady who taught industrial welding for 31 years. The quality of incoming students steadily declined. The only students who really worked at it were military vets, a very few smart HS students and the Mexican guys. Those folks went on to successful employment and would push their friends into her classes. Madison Area Technical College is a virtual gem, in the same city at the U of Wis which turns out the aforementioned ‘regurgitators’…
Marcia, I graduated in 1968. With four kids and Dad an enlisted Navy man, no money for college. I took Business classes, as well as, the same academic classes you had. Within a week, I had a job as a mail girl, got promoted to receptionist, switchboard operator, then Secretary, and with on the job training, became an Assistant Traffic Manager and learned all about Export licenses, etc.
Eventually with that experience, I was able to work with overseas manufacturing facilities, and eventually became An Administrative Assistant, and Office Manager for one of the British “Noble Houses” located in Hong Kong.
None of my employers ever mentioned the fact, I did not have a college education or degree. They emphasized they hired me for my vast experience I had accumulated through hard work.
It can be done, but it is more difficult in this day and age because everyone wants a college educated person, but I think and hope the tide will turn and hard working, well taught young people here in the USA who want to work hard can do what you and I were able to accomplish.
Government schools mean the government controls the children. Public schools used to exist to prepare kids to be worker drones for businesses – which was ad enough. Now, they exist to indoctrinate the nation’s children to the whims of the elites and the “progressive” politicians and apparatchiks.
The questions are so inane. I could not do her job and face these morons every day.
OK, I know that the Dept. of Education has been more of a department of indoctrination and political correctness. But when people say that all education matters should belong at the state and local level, and that there is no reason for federal oversight, I have serious questions.
I went to school in the ’60s and ’70s, and I remember when reports came out about the huge disparity in public education quality, depending on where families lived. You had many rural or inner-city schools that were education deserts, or southern states that ranked near 50th for literacy and math. And you had schools that had a hard time attracting quality teachers because they were located in areas that many didn’t want to live in. All high school diplomas were not equal, and many kids fell through the cracks because of their zip code. (Which is why you had failed experiments like busing, and the way testing is used now.)
Even though the current Dept. of Education may be dysfunctional, I can see a valid role for a national entity to oversee quality control on a number of levels. We live in a very transient culture, and many families find themselves relocating to other states due to employment, family situations, or other reasons. I can see a valid need to make sure that kids moving from a rural Midwest area to a large city, or from the inner-city to the suburbs, can start school in the same grade they were in and receive the same level and quality of education. And I can also see a valid role for setting standards in literacy, math, and science — as well as for trying to guard against liberal social experiments and indoctrination. Blue states left to their own devices will have blue schools. Just saying, I am not seeing anyone addressing this subject.
Prior to the DOE what was America’s world education ranking and what is it now with a DOE?
You ignored my question and its premise.
I reduced your 312 and twelve words to the core question.
Has the DOE improved education?
It has not.
The blue states already have lousy schools so DOE isn’t doing anything positive there.
What has the DOE done to improve education in America?
To get out of a hole you must first stop digging.
USA is far different place than the 1950’s and 60’s when I went to school.
Just saying, I am not seeing anyone addressing this subject.
You just did. Write it up and an start with your elected reps.
Now please answer mine?
Prior to the DOE what was America’s world education ranking and what is it now with a DOE?
My last paragraph is my answer. I acknowledged that the DOE has been dysfunctional as-is, but that for numerous reasons, I see a valid reason for it to exist, even if it needs to be retooled as to its mission and function:
Even though the current Dept. of Education may be dysfunctional, I can see a valid role for a national entity to oversee quality control on a number of levels. We live in a very transient culture, and many families find themselves relocating to other states due to employment, family situations, or other reasons. I can see a valid need to make sure that kids moving from a rural Midwest area to a large city, or from the inner-city to the suburbs, can start school in the same grade they were in and receive the same level and quality of education. And I can also see a valid role for setting standards in literacy, math, and science — as well as for trying to guard against liberal social experiments and indoctrination. Blue states left to their own devices will have blue schools. Just saying, I am not seeing anyone addressing this subject.
Not going to answer my question?
Prior to the DOE what was America’s world education ranking and what is it now with a DOE?
.@POTUS announces that the Department of Education’s useful functions such as Pell Grants, Title 1 funding, and resources for children with disabilities will be FULLY preserved and moved to other agencies and departments.
Thanks for the helpful info, Mycroft. Good to know.
You are welcome.
I agree with linderella. The same rot in DC is, in fact, infecting every level of government/people management. In rural areas, the nepotism and the wielding from the few but powerful is possibly even more ingrained that in DC. Because the powerful most often remain and the inhabitants have no way – no money, no backers, no unbiased adjudicators to change things.
When we have felt helpless at the national or even our state government levels, that feeling of helplessness and, therefore, acceptance are rampant and ingrained.
City dwellers have some support to right their more visible dilemmas. The rural areas don’t.
Thanks, tktk — you get it. I guess I’m not a big fan of suddenly canceling federal oversight and letting the states determine everything, come what may. Many states are a real mess, and it’s like a hostage situation for the people living there. I’m not saying the govt should micromanage everything, but rather, that many states are not prepared with the right people in place to take that responsibility, and it leaves people who are stuck in badly managed states with no recourse.
I felt that way about the abortion issue going back to the states. Roe V Wade was bad law that even Sandra Day O’Connor said was on a collision course with itself. But I also winced as I saw all the pro-life people high-fiving its demise, as if the problem were solved, knowing that they did not have the right forces in place on a state level to steer that issue locally. Instead, the Soros liberals and mouthpieces were ready and mobilized in states like Ohio to maneuver codifying abortion as a state amendment into our state constitution, along with other extras that can’t be easily overturned the way a state law could.
Being in Ohio, I understand completely. I also work in rescue involving very rural areas. I know how little support they get for the things we in urban areas take for granted (internet, stable water systems and water protection, medical care, jobs). And I know how certain persons, families or entities often control those rural areas with an iron fist – from sheriffs to prosecutors and judges to all of the city/county administrators.
The Ohio GOP machine is pretty worthless and corrupt – that’s how we got DeWhine. I’m afraid the national party is ignoring the projectory that Ohio is following.
Hey, tktk – I’m in NE Ohio. Great analysis of the Ohio GOP machine. (Although thankfully, we also got JD Vance and Bernie Moreno elected, so there’s that.) Which area of Ohio are you in?
I feel like our biggest problem in this state isn’t cheating (our elections seem pretty honest as far as I can tell, and we’re out of the ERIC system.) Seems like the big problem is in the GOP machine, as you noted — they are really good at using the splitter strategy to try to keep MAGA candidates from winning, and using outside money to pump GOPe favorites. I think PT’s endorsements are beginning to overrule the machine, though. He just endorsed Vivek for governor — that will be interesting to watch unfold.
Only competition and demands from parents can change the system.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see vouchers even from the Federal level, nothing will make schools improve more than chasing those dollars.
Sundance has addressed this before, he acknowledged there will be disparities, not because there isn’t a unitary oversight mechanism, but because some areas will seize the opportunity to excel and some will drag their feet and cling to muh Communism, until those parents, too, have had enough, especially as they see all their neighboring cities and states soaring past them.
That’s why Americans vote with their feet, and that’s why President Trump is striving to restore a massive prosperous Middle Class, to enable the mobility to make such choices with one’s feet; but it will take time, after all, Rome wasn’t sacked in a day!
Thanks Maquis — I appreciate your respectful reply. I just think that for families stuck in states with substandard schools, it would help for them to be able to appeal for help to a higher federal agency over them that can advocate for the parents. Just as with issues like immigration, where states that put out the welcome mat for illegals and their gangs, and not enforcing immigration law, are now having to answer to Tom Homan and the federal govt. The people are no longer at the mercy of a dysfunctional state govt. That’s the need I see in education, too.
Sounds like there’s room on the ground for some citizen advocacy groups to determine best practices and fight for them.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there aren’t analogues out there already that can be used as a template or guide.
That is an interesting point, how does PDJT encourage functional state government?
Required metrics for block grants? I don’t know, I’m spitballing, but I’m sure this is the time for creativity, and suspect the Central Government hasn’t been that ever.
Frankly, it actually sounds like a civil rights issue, after all, who is being ignored the most?
Just thinking, Maquis — “That is an interesting point, how does PDJT encourage functional state government?”
Maybe PT’s way of encouraging functional state govt has been in his rallies, when he goes into various states and endorses various candidates running for governor, and some of the down races. It does help MAGA on the state level when the governor and his team are allies — sort of a trickle down effect. Although that doesn’t always touch the entrenched liberals in the big cities.
But you bring up some interesting ideas in your “spitballing.” When I see what’s happening to some of our young people, and what many schools are pushing on them. it just seems like a lot of them need rescuing from the system. I just want to see a way of holding more schools accountable for that.
The federal government has no authority to be involved in such a thing. It is within the purview of the States. Beyond that, parents should have the final say and the only way for that to exist is for all school decisions to be made at the local.
We should do what many European countries do and tie the money to the child – meaning parents get a set amount and can then use it at the school of their choice.
Here’s another goal: END student loans as they currently exist! THEY are the reason for INSANE college costs.
Excerpts from a post that no longer exists on his site. He only saves some of them:
THIS Is Why Federal ‘Student Loans’ MUST BE ABOLISHED in [Market-Ticker]
2021-07-10 by Karl Denninger
Decades ago, when I came of age, you could spin pizzas or flip burgers and pay for school. All there was at the time were Pell Grants and Stafford loans — beyond that, you paid with money or got scholarships. The cost was reasonable and as such going to college just to do it was a rational decision and you could work a part-time job to pay for it — including a place to live and food to eat. Yeah, you had a cinder-block dorm with two twin bunk beds and a shared shower and crapper between your room and the next one for each pair of two students, and the food in the chow hall was cafeteria-style garbage, but it worked.
It worked well enough in the decades before, by the way, to put men on the moon. If we can manage that with what the college system was capable of it was plenty good enough and produced a thriving middle class.
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Obama did even worse — he took the entire shooting match and federalized it, removing all discipline in that regard. Of course, being where Obama got his “degrees” from is this a surprise?
What’s the answer? Simple — force the colleges to cut that crap out by removing the money.
– No more federal student loan backing of any sort. Pell Grants and perhaps Stafford for undergrad, OK. Beyond that? Nothing. Period.
– No more bankruptcy exemption. Force lenders to underwrite both students and programs or run the risk of a bankruptcy filing after graduation that causes the lender to eat the balance.
– Ban co-signers on such loans as void due to public policy. No, Mom and/or Dad do not get stuck if you can’t pay post-graduation.
The amount charged for a perceived as needed “product” or “service,” in this case a so-called “education,” will rise to the cost the customers can bear. Imagine that, otherwise known as “basic economics.”
Trust the science!
Accounting for the Rise in College Tuition
Grey Gordon, Aaron Hedlund
September 28, 2015
http://www.nber.org/chapters/c13711.pdf
Excerpt:
“These results accord strongly with the Bennett hypothesis, which asserts that colleges respond to expansions of financial aid by increasing tuition. Existing theories can fully explain the increase in net tuition between 1987 and 2010. Our model suggests demand-side theories have the most predictive power. In fact, our results show the Bennett hypothesis can fully account for the tuition increase on its own.”
The Bennett Hypothesis: “Increases in financial aid in recent years has enabled colleges and universities blithely to raise their tuition, confident that Federal Loan subsidies would help cushion the increase.”
Anything subsidized increases and it gets more expensive.
The problem is many state schools have the policy of free tuition for kids whose parents make under a certain amount. Which means the middle class kids get squeezed. They have to subsidize the “poor” kids and the rich kids can afford it.
What happens because of this is a lot of middle class kids have to attend lower ranked schools for cost reasons while their parents subsidize “free” college for “poor” kids.
Then there are the scholarships – so many are reserved for minorities. A middle class white kid isn’t eligible for a lot of university scholarships.
Pell grants are BS as well. Why should a middle class kid have to choose a lesser college while tax dollars subsidize “poor” kids.
Public colleges should be audited and all the useless administrators and programs cut. When I went to college in the 90s, the fees were a few hundred a semester. Now the kids are paying thousands of dollars a semester just in fees – on top of tuition, room and board, books, etc.
And I guarantee Mr. President will be signing in CURSIVE. Please educators, bring back real handwriting and penmanship.
regarding this new education policy, maybe they should get President boasbergs permission first.
Well, that’s dumb. They’re not closing the department, they’re just going to make it smaller. Which means the next democrat can enlarge it again! Abolish the whole thing! Geez
The question is….”will some Federal Judge, interfere with this”?
90% of what POTUS is trying to do, is being stopped by these activist judges.
What is our recourse?
Most academics have not understood that there is no contradiction between faith and reason. They just cannot understand intellectually and do not care because they are naturally woke and wokeness is the set of values in academia. The remains of the Department of Education which will be merged back into HHS needs to be populated with academics who can understand the comprehensiveness of faith and reason and create a different ecology which would back the wokes from re-entering and repoisoning. Naturally it is about 1 out 100 academics. They are precious.