In an effort to keep the Daily Open Thread a little more open topic we are going to start a new daily thread for “Presidential Politics”. Please use this thread to post anything relating to the JoeBama Administration and Presidency.
“This is no small thing, to restore a republic after it has fallen into corruption. I have studied history for years and I cannot recall it ever happening. It may be that our task is impossible. Yet, if we do not try then how will we know it can’t be done? And if we do not try, it most certainly won’t be done. The Founders’ Republic, and the larger war for western civilization, will be lost.”
“But I tell you this: We will not go gently into that bloody collectivist good night. Indeed, we will make with our defiance such a sound as ALL history from that day forward will be forced to note, even if they despise us in the writing of it.”
This thread will refresh daily and appear above the Open Discussion Thread.
Whenever the possibility presents, throw sand into the machinery…
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Well fun stuff here:
https://generaldispatch.whatfinger.com/midwife-ends-the-term-birthing-person-in-one-amazing-minute/
We have Birthing Person and the new one “Chest Feeding”
Messed up people. I tell ya. They want to ruin everything and make it ugly. These people are soiled brats with no life.
tell them they can call it what they want, but they cant tell us what to call it. FREEDOM.
the thing that would end this – would be all out verbal assault calling every real racist a racist.
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Biden didnt let america know about the juneteenth holiday until the end of the previous day, no time to prepare for a fun day. he always puts blacks in the back of the bus. disrespectful to not know that would be a holiday months ahead
Join the fun! Bash Chipman fun! What a POS this guy is!
ADDITION TO MY COMMENT:
THIS COMMENT HAS NOTHING WHATEVER TO DO WITH THE COVID VACCINES. PLEASE RESPOND ACCORDINGLY.
I am not, by any means, trying to minimize the concern of those who fear the Covid vaccine, but I do believe that we have a few people who have joined us in the past few months who have as their main purpose to demonize vaccines in general.
These people are posting links to articles that, in many cases, are frankly misinformation about vaccines written by charlatans who pose as revered scientists and doctors. Yes, that is my opinion only, but I urge each of you to follow up on the information that is being posted and investigate the sources being given. Please read the negatives as well as the positives.
Here is an article that you may find useful in making up your mind about childhood vaccines, in particular, and vaccines in general.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/ct-measles-complications-vaccine-controversy-06172019-20190719-nodwfhbl6rci3ohfagccjbswri-story.html
Some of you may know how strongly I feel about the importance of vaccinating against childhood diseases such as rubella, measles, mumps, whooping cough and polio. I have posted about it in the past at Stella’s Place blog. I realize that there are sometimes negative side effects from vaccines, but they are very rare, and no medical procedure is free of potential negative results. In fact, almost nothing we do in life is free of the possibility of disaster.
I know you have read about people who have been harmed by vaccines, but you rarely read about those who were harmed by the diseases that vaccines were developed to protect against.
Please read this article, from The Chicago Tribune, which touches upon the lives of several people who were permanently disabled because they were not vaccinated. I assume that, unlike today’s children, the vaccines were not yet available to protect them. And yet, the disabilities that these people suffer – permanent vision and hearing loss – are relatively minor compared to the possibility of brain damage and death, which they might have suffered, and others did suffer.
The irony is that the success of childhood vaccination has decreased the incidents of these diseases to almost nil in the United States. The fear of those who have experienced ill effects from these diseases is that parents no longer afraid of the diseases because they have never seen them.
I am old enough to remember these diseases and what they can do. My oldest nephew (only a few years younger than I) experienced measles-related encephalitis and suffered permanent damage to his eyesight. I also remember a childhood friend who lived in an iron lung following polio.
Diseases like whooping cough and measles can and do kill babies who are too young to be vaccinated or those who are unable to be vaccinated. German measles, if contracted in the early stages of pregnancy, often causes birth defects. As vaccination rates decline, the chance of these diseases spreading increases. Measles has been spread by children without immunity who contract the disease in countries where it is more wide spread than it is now in the USA. In past years, for example, there was a large measles epidemic in France.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23089128/
What do measles, whooping cough, etc. vaccines have to do with the Covid vaccine?
Each disease, ailment is its own stand-alone entity, with its own stand-alone solution. Just because they share the name “vaccine” does not mean they are the same thing.
My doctor tried this BS on me. Explaining to me how much better we are without the diseases of the past, talking to me like I was a seven-year-old. I had to cut him off. Don’t be suckered, Stella. I don’t care what you think of the Covid vaccine, but don’t equate it with vaccines of the past. Different animals.
If the Covid vaccine stands the test of time, that would be excellent. But for now there are too many questions. WAAAAY too many questions.
Did you actually READ what I wrote, or just go off on COVID with a knee jerk reaction? I am talking about vaccines in general, NOT Covid. That should be evident by the first sentence I wrote.
I am addressing those who are totally against vaccines of any kind. Don’t tell me I am being “suckered”. This is something that I have researched extensively LONG before Covid came along. Perhaps you are the sucker instead of me.
Looks exactly to me like you were lumping those who are skeptical of the Covid vaccine with anti-vaxxers in general.
“but I do believe that we have a few people who have joined us in the past few months who have as their main purpose to demonize vaccines in general.”
Read the whole sentence.
What are you afraid of, anyway? That I might convince someone to do their own investigations?
Stella, I started a reply to you along the exact same lines as 81352Ran, but deleted it after some consideration.
But I agree 100% with 81352Ran.
Whether you meant to or not, you ARE conflating the two.
The few who may be completely anti-vax are not taken seriously on CTH. Your screed to warn us about them was unnecessary and counter-productive.
Everyone here does there own investigations, no thanks to you.
I am not conflating the two. I simply wanted to start out by telling you that I’m not talking about the Covid vaccine!
Maybe the reason why anti-vax people aren’t taken seriously is because their arguments aren’t serious. My so-called “screed” is most definitely necessary and productive, and NO, most don’t do their own investigations. If they did, they couldn’t possibly believe some of the CRAP that is pushed by the anti-vaxxers.
That is my opinion, which is backed up by more science than any anti-vaxxer here can muster.
If you don’t like it, then don’t read it. You probably didn’t read it all anyway. If you had, you wouldn’t call it a screed.
We’re discussing Covid and it’s “vaccines”. Ties in to the whole MAGA thing and belongs on this particular thread. Go watch Maria B yesterday to see how, if you doubt it
You’re discussing anti-vaxxers in general.
I believe that discussion belongs on the Open Thread. If it were there, it would not clog up this thread (as it has) and I wouldn’t have read it at all.
So you have most assuredly “conflated” your issues.
This is the Presidential Politics thread. As an Admin, I think I know where my comment and the discussion belong.
Who are you to tell me what to do, anyway? I’ll bet that if this was an anti-vax comment (there are MANY in the Presidential Politics threads every day) you wouldn’t have bothered to comment at all.
So your position as “Admin” means you cannot be wrong?
Isn’t that “argumentation from authority”?
How sad that you resort to that chestnut.
I do concede that, as an Admin, you are FAR more likely than I to recognize the increased number of general anti-vax comments appearing on the Presidential thread.
You are right to point that out. And right to want to limit those.
But perhaps you might be better off in redirecting these to the Open Thread, where they will get MUCH less exposure and traction. Or simply not post them if you feel them egregious.
The number of commenters who ‘liked’ my comment of 1.59pm and others who felt that this was clogging up the thread seems to reflect that others felt similarly.
Oh, I see. You want me to post on the Open Thread so that I will get MUCH less exposure and traction. Should I delete all of the anti-vaxxer comments on this thread and tell them to post on the Open Thread too? Perhaps you can help me by going through the comments and letting those people know about the new rule.
Stella………As an intelligent person with good ethics you should know that it is pointless to argue with a fool….. It is normal to defend yourself from an attack that has no logic behind it but this person won,t hear the facts………….The big difference between the two of you is that you think he is wrong but will consider the facts if shown them…….He thinks that you are wrong and must be destroyed. Typical Socialist thought process.
work together everybody . this is what the uniparty does – throws issues out like shark bait to make it ‘make us fight within’
work together – we neeed each other.
freedom is freedom to choose- and healthy debate of different opinions is how people come to strong decisions.
great debate!
I hate to say it but I believe this vaccine debate is dividing many maga supporters, its even happening in my family. I have complete Covid fatigue and prefer to not discuss it but it just keeps happening and the arguments are brutal.
You are arrogant, one of the character traits that is very unlikable. It ties into pride, which imo is the very worst.
Well gee. I guess that’s me put in my place then.
Shall I reply in kind? Or should I accept being lectured by the self-appointed schoolteacher here who judges me based on their own biases and without knowing anything about me.
What’s that say about you, I wonder?
“Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.”
gda…. That is a very good quote …….. From the one throwing the insults…….. ” Self appointed School Teacher ??? “………. Actually Sundance appointed Moderator……….Find a Dictionary and look up ” Moderator”.
Shame on you, gda!
Stella is one of the cherished, longterm moderators here. Keeping this place as exceptional – and wholesome – as it is.
Respect and gratitude!
You rock, Stella!!!!!!
Personally, I think that there should be a separate daily article, if you will,
on Covid along with for/against comments on the vaccine.
It gets tiresome scrolling through it all.
I think the point is, we’re all adults and can do our own research. I know several people who have not been vaccinated at all and are quite healthy, as well as those, including myself, who had a terrible reaction to a vaccine as a kid. My husband and I still choose to vaccinate our own kids, and neither had any bad reactions. Our son is autistic, but in my experience, I suspected he had developmental issues prior to his being vaccinated, and do not believe vaccines had anything to do with it. others may have had other experiences.
But as long as people are being respectful, why shouldn’t they feel free to post what they feel is important w/o having their motives second guessed? My understanding was that this is was platform that values free speech & discussion.
You misuse the word “screed” which is a heavily connotative word.
There is nothing of style or substance that is “screedish” about Stella’s post.
I have myself read a myriad of posts on this site on the subject of vaccines that fall into the category of “black and white.”
See my post above.
Definition of screed
1 a: a lengthy discourse
b: an informal piece of writing (such as a personal letter)
c: a ranting piece of writing
Seems to fit at least 2 of 3 more or less. But fine, let’s say it’s NOT a screed (I agree it’s hardly a rant). So I apologize for calling it a screed.
However, it still does not belong in this thread.
Take it to Open Thread where it belongs.
As a guest, you are remarkably ingracious.
Thank you 😉
If the anti-vax comments belong on this thread, then so do mine.
Agree, otherwise it’s censorship – just like FB, Twat/.
I and many others here are anti-vax on the Covid vaccine. I really haven’t noticed any generic anti-vaxxers .
You are one of the amazing people who tend this Treehouse.
We depend on your judgement the length and breadth of all threads.
Demanding that you justify yourself?
Absurd.
Actually do agree with Stella’s observation of the encroaching of antivaxxers in general whenever the covid ones come up for conversation. These are, pre-covid existence vaccines and after-covid mRNA vaccines, in my mind, two completely unrelated issues since there is so little known about the use of this brand new technology which manipulates dna messaging stuff with what we all grew up with understanding a vaccine to be, a weakened variant of the disease producing virus.
It’s called “bias.”
We all see what we want to see and so have to do our best always to tell ourselves, “I must read carefully, listen carefully, watch carefully and factor in my biases” or else I am likely to miss something very important.
What’s your point? Vaccines are good so this covid jab must be good. I know you wrote this is not about covid but some how I think you are trying to make those of us who are firmly against this experimental jab as being not very informed. I vaccinated my children and the last two had severe reactions to two month DPT so their Pediatrician decided their next booster should just be DT. I trusted their doctor but he is long and gone and unfortunately after last year I do not trust most of the medical community.
I reserve the right to have knee-jerk reactions. I’ve had too many people recently try to lump measles, polio etc. in with covid to try to shame me into the vaccine.
If I misunderstood your intent I apologize, but stand by my posts. Cheers.
You did misunderstand, and mischaracterize my intent besides that. Read exactly what I said instead of what you thought you “heard”.
Where did I try to shame anybody into getting the Covid vaccine?
Someone needs to get a comprehension vax out right away.
With you on this. I have no problem with vaccines and never have. I even get a flu shot every year. My problem was with HOW and WHY NOW this particular set of supposed vaccines arrived.
Far too many unanswered questions as well as how the CCP vaxers are now resorting to outright bribery to get people to take this jab.
Perhaps it’s time you looked into the efficacy of those flu shots.
You may find out that they aren’t what you’ve been told they are.
Can’t recall where, but I recently saw an article that was pretty eye-opening.
Full disclosure: I have never had a flu shot and never intend to get one. I MAY get a Covid shot after trials are complete, but expect that it will not be an mRNA shot.
I trust my Oncologist far more than I trust you.
I am one of the most compromised people you will meet besides someone with an organ transplant. I used to catch everything that came through town each winter. Since the flu shots, I have not been sick with the flu in almost 15 years.
You do you, which is pretty much the cliff notes version of what stella wrote.
My oncologist is as good as a serial killer.
“Get the vax,”he said.
When the contraindications to proposed treatment clearly said “no vaccinations.”
Stone cold killer – whether by ignorance or design.
That’s a good thing – you shouldn’t trust me.
Note, however, that I never asked you to trust me. I suggested you do your own investigation.
That’s a completely different thing, though you seem unable to distinguish that fact.
Straw man. For heaven’s sakes.
The assumption you made that I didn’t do my research is insulting.
You seem to be easily insulted. I made a general comment, and you jumped down my throat with your “trust” comment.
I pointed this out and now you’re saying you were “insulted”?
Straw man. Again.
Given your medical situation, I sympathize and understand your position in claiming that the flu shot ‘apparently’ worked for you. Might there have been other things you did to protect yourself that could have contributed (or being even more influential) to your flu-free status these past 15 years? We don’t know, but it seems likely.
Does it “prove” that the flu shot worked for you? We don’t have enough evidence to say that.
Attributing it to your yearly flu shot is not a scientific response. Correlation does NOT equal causation.
We’re on the same side here in respect of the Wuhan Flu vaccinations, but for someone who claims to be insulted that I suggested you didn’t do the research, you don’t seem to have much of a grasp of how science works.
Given that much of the information about the “flu shots’ is now starting to be uncovered/exposed, I would suggest that your research is likely outdated.
the lawbreaker perverts have SHOT OUR COUNTRY’s HEART – by destroying our TRust in anything.
the irony is that everyone debating now, has a valid point – and it all is around these criminals actions in destroying our trust.
trust in vaccines
trust in news
trust in the DOJ, FBI and CIA – recently the damn MILITARY, and the DIA leaders’s children campaign on a hawaii democrat senators staff (so yes the DIA IS GONE NOW – he was put in before the election also)
Well said Whiteboard, we have to work together and not get bogged down in minutia. I think we can. all agree on “Biden is an election stealing traitorous fraud”
Except maybe Invisible Mikey.
Mikey could be hedging his bet that sick biden is going to round up people disagreeing with him.
I never said you tried to shame anybody. Ready MY post. Exactly what I said instead of what you thought you “heard.”
At least I apologized for misunderstanding your initial post. I suspect we are generally on the same side on this and are arguing over the lack of nuance that is inherent in written internet posts.
Well my experience with mmr was a destontic shock 2 hours after …my daughter…and the doctor and neurologist both said 100 % not from vaccine…really? I got second opinion and at least that doctor said he was not 100% sure but possible. Have you read the horrible reactions? I researched for well over 5 years and yeah…alor is covered up.
^^alot^^
What percentage of children have an adverse vaccine reaction?
I am sorry if it indeed was a vaccine that caused your daughter’s shock, but it sounds as if there was no definite conclusion that MMR caused it. Coincidence is not proof of causation, as I’m sure the doctors told you.
I know this: there is NO medical intervention that is without risk. That includes antibiotics, anesthesia and surgery. I can give you several personal anecdotes about those, including my own when I had a bad reaction to penicillin.
My own sister’s heart stopped after a penicillin injection. Her doctor had to give her a shot of adrenalin into her heart to save her life. Am I against using antibiotics when they are needed? Of course not.
I had a friend who died during a tonsillectomy because of an adverse reaction to anesthesia.
Genuine injuries like this happen every day, but are not reasons to condemn vaccines, antibiotics, surgery and anesthesia completely for everyone.
As I mentioned earlier, there are MANY stories of permanent damage and death caused by (among others) measles, including that of my own nephew.
My thoughts and research on many vaccines are the political use and brushed aside truths of some vaccines. Period the end.
Not “Period the end”. There is politics in everything, which is apparent by your own comment.
Don’t let fear and superstition rule your life.
Thank you Stella. You are right. Fear drives some thoughts. I am truly thankful my daughter recovered with a minor reaction compared to many not so minor reactions. The “period the End” remark was due to have received such a cut and dry response from my daughters Pediatrician and his recommendation of the neurologist that basically gave the same response. 100 % is not true in medical science and not even the most renowned medical doctor would say 100%.
i think if we stop calling it a COVID vaccine that might help?
cause johnson and johnson has the old vaccine method – if its just water and doesnt work then not much harm.
the mRNA vaccines are a unique body modulating platform being used with vaccines for now.
mRNA platform body pathway altering via protein inserts that are not from the original genome (GREAT TOOL if dont well – TERRIBLE TOOL if in the hands of crooks – look at who runs this country now and do the math)
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imagine finding out about the antartica treaty, and the amazement of cooperation between the cage holders.
My mother died from a rare disease that took a trip to Duke Medical just to get a diagnosis. The Dr’s know exactly what causes the disease. (a build up of a substance in the brain) but they do NOT know what causes or triggers that substance to manifest. SO for your physicians to deny association with the vaccine is simply denial and not any honest cause / affect analysis in my opinion.
From what you told me, I can’t see where you reached the conclusion that your mother’s disease was caused by a vaccine. What substance are you talking about? I know somebody who almost died because of a build-up of aluminum in his body tissues. It turned out (fortunately through a study at the University of Michigan Medical Center) that he lacked a hormone that helps the body metabolize trace aluminum in the diet.
The first call to the pediatrician who administered the mmr vaccine. Said “wow I heard of that reaction but not In Such a short time frame.”
The next day the head pediatrician said absolutely not from vaccine..same as the first neurologist that we were referred to by said head Pediatrician, whom owned the practice. However I wanted to know what happened and I got second opinion. At least that doctor affirmed it could possibly had been a reaction from vaccine.
I think they course in “Ass Covering” that Drs. are required to take in med school.
Stella, I don’t want to start an argument or poke a hornets nest. It has been my experience that people on the “to vaccinate or not to vaccinate” debate have very strong opinions whichever side they fall on. However, I have some honest questions for you. Why do you suppose congress passed a bill exempting pharmaceutical companies from any and all liabilities for vaccine injuries? Do you know that the bill set up a mechanism for people who have been injured by a vaccine and can prove that they have been injured to be compensated (courtesy of the US taxpayer) and they have paid out BILLIONS since its inception? Since I know you are a seasoned veteran here on the CTH and you KNOW about of all the graft and corruption in our 3 letter agencies of the federal government, why are you so trusting of the CDC and the whole cloth endorsement of the numerous vaccines now recommended for babies and children. Have you seen the list lately? The list has grown exponentially over the last 3 decades. Do you know the pharmaceutical industry has a HUGE lobbying arm that influences our federal government and what vaccines they recommend? The pharmaceutical companies also influence the medical schools. The system has been corrupted, there is no question about that. Further, I would like to point out that calling people anti-vaxxers as a way to dismiss them is akin to calling people who question man made global warming science deniers.
“Why do you suppose congress passed a bill exempting pharmaceutical companies from any and all liabilities for vaccine injuries?”
It was created in the 1980s, after lawsuits against vaccine companies and health care providers threatened to cause vaccine shortages and reduce U.S. vaccination rates.
You do know that if the petitioner is not satisfied with the decision, it may be appealed and petitioners who reject the decision of the court (or withdraw their petitions within certain timelines) may file a claim in civil court against the vaccine company and/or the health care provider who administered the vaccine?
I have spent a lot of time investigating claims against vaccines over the past ten years. This discussion is not something new to me. Some claims are true, but most are not. There is a lot of trouble with government agencies, but not all is bad and not all information is wrong. Yes, I reviewed the vaccine schedule for children earlier today.
I call people anti-vaxxers because that is what they are: against vaccines. It is a true characterization that they agree is true. They are against vaccines and admit it. The same is not true for the term “science deniers”.
I am not an anti-vaxxer. I am a vaccine skeptic and for MANY good reasons. Many of the reasons have been succinctly outlined here on this thread. I find it really odd that even though you acknowledge the systemic and widespread graft and corruption in our government you refuse to even consider for one moment that it is also happening with the CDC with regard to vaccines and the vaccine schedule.
What do measles, whooping cough, etc. vaccines have to do with the Covid vaccine?”
She already told you her post wasn’t about the Covid vaccine: “I do believe that we have a few people who have joined us in the past few months who have as their main purpose to demonize vaccines in general.”
Sundance has already told us there’s been more Covid vaccine deaths than from all other vaccines ever given in the US. So this Stella already KNOWS that. Her concern is about people talking smack about proven vaccines, not people talking fact about the unproven Covid ‘vaccine’.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/06/12/cdc-vaccine-adverse-event-reporting-system-vaers-shows-stunning-increase-in-deaths-due-to-covid-vaccine/
June 12, 2021 | Sundance | 790 Comments
According to the VAERS reporting system (within the CDC) there were 5,997 currently reported fatalities in 2021 attributed to vaccinations during the first half of this year. Of that 5,997 number: 5,888 are directly attributed to COVID vaccinations.
I think the accurate description is “people dying AFTER getting the vaccine.” So far, there has been no investigation to determine that the vaccine was the cause. The self-named experts are too busy trying to cover up the reports.
We deserve a real investigation and we deserve to be told NOW by the “experts” that they simply don’t know and, therefore, cannot assure us as to how safe or not the vaccine is.
Simply a FWIW as I take everything I read, see or hear with a grain of salt 😎
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VERIFY: Post-vaccine deaths on VAERS site are not confirmed
Published: 9:02 PM EDT June 21, 2021
Many are wondering whether the reports of adverse effects after the COVID-19 shot on the CDC/FDA/DHHS site called VAERS are real.
Several WCNC Charlotte viewers have asked whether a CDC-run website called VAERS is indeed reporting thousands of vaccine-related deaths.
The Question:
Are the COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths on the VAERS site confirmed?
Sources:
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Dr. David Priest, an infectious disease specialist with Novant Health
Dr. Brannon Traxler, Public Health Director, South Carolina Department of Health and Environmental Control
The Answer:
Any reports of adverse reactions on the VAERS site are not confirmed and should not be taken as fact, according to the system itself.
VAERS, which stands for Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, is co-sponsored by the CDC, FDA and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Anyone can go on the site and report anything and claim it is related to the vaccine.
In fact, before a person is allowed to access VAERS, the database makes them read a disclaimer and check off and box stating that they understand it. In part, that disclaimer reads that reports in the system may be “incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, and unverified.”
https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/verify/verify-vaccine-related-deaths-on-cdc-site-may-be-incomplete-inaccurate/275-a91d1e4c-5f91-4aaf-be3b-c9b0295e1aa9
I think there are plenty of people who question the vaccinations that are given to us and our children.
I think Children’s Defense Fund takes a credible position on these issues.
I would encourage you to read some of their articles and familiarize yourself on what many other people are saying.
They aren’t “charlatans posing as revered doctors or scientists.”
She didn’t say that.
She said: “vaccines in general”, “childhood vaccin[es]”.
You mischaracterized what Stella said. You have just done to Stella what the lying fake msm fake reporters did to President Trump.
I find it disgraceful when”we” stoop to their low-level tactics.
I agree. As a military brat, I did the small pox vaccine and polio sugar cube. Didn’t do Measles, Mumps, Ruebella vaccine because I already had measles, mumps and ruebella but all my younger brothers had the vaccine. I get sick every year with the flu shot and when the time came for the shingles shot and pnuemonia shot I took those also. I am not an anti-vaxxer however I’m waiting for an approved covid vaccine given the death rate and number of adverse reactions to this covid shot. The mere fact that it is called a vaccine made me wonder why are they lieing? It does not provide immunity nor does it prevent death from covid. More people have died YTD from this shot than the past 20 years of vaccines. I’m told “it lessens severity of covid symptoms.” How does anyone know how severe my symptoms will be? At the same time I’m told the flu shot does not give me fever, achey joints and a cough within 12-24 hrs of the shot every year. I don’t trust the government’s push nor now my doctor who by the way I just found out is still treating early covid symptoms with Tylenol. I really do have a different view of people/government after this whole toilet paper, mask, lock down, lab rat fiasco we’re going through. Social distancing and hand washing is fine with me.
When and if it goes through the whole FDA program like all the other drugs, inoculations, and vaccines, then I may consider it if COVID is still a thing,. Until then, I’m nobodies lab rat.
Again, I was talking about childhood vaccines, NOT Covid!
The polio vaccine saved the boomer generation from a crippling disese. I knew a family who was not spared and it was a life sentence.
<Until then, I’m nobodies lab rat.>
Agreed.
You can always get vaccinated…
You can never get un-vaccinated. 🙂
You can also die or be permanently injured by a disease. As fewer people are vaccinated, diseases that have been rare could once again become commonplace, and the side effects of those diseases with them. Pertussis (whooping cough) is one of those which is becoming more common among infants. Babies die of this disease, and there is no drug that can cure it.
Please read the article I posted about those who were permanently injured by the diseases that are now prevented by vaccination.
It is important to know all of the facts.
My husband got polio from the vaccine as a kid. He lost his calf muscle. One of his college friends also got polio from the vaccine as a child, his parents had to make the hard choice to amputate his leg to save his knee joint. He lost half his leg.
They have since changed polio vaccine- but a lot of kids in the late 60’s got polio from the vaccine that was supposed to protect them.
Oh! And my husbands best friends brother got polio from the vaccine too. He had 12 surgeries as a kid and teen just to be able to limp his entire life.
I knew a mom when I grew up, who had polio when pregnant. She was in an iron lung for awhile and a wheelchair forever. Her three children were my age, (baby fine) were wonderful and helped her out with everything. She was a wonderful, cheerful mom. Very difficult life…
Yes. People opposed to vaccines have every right to refuse them.
It’s true that the early polio vaccine had a couple of issues with bad production. A couple of hundred thousand children were affected and a small number of them died.
It was a horrible thing to have happen to your husband and the other children.
stella: I don’t know why we have all these posts about vaccines including the Covid vaccine. Most people on here seem to be reasonably intelligent, and they can get good information from many different sources.
People should just allow others to make up their own minds and take vaccines or not. It seems many just want to persuade others to agree with them.
As you have mentioned there are dangers associated with any medicine or vaccine. We don’t need all the antidotes and horror stories to know that, and this has always been the case. We assess the risk and make decisions. Fact: Living is risky, and we are all going to die.
Not many people trust the left government? here in the USA. They are not for the people. They do evil things, masks, social distance, Antifa, blm rioting, looting, do this, no Church, shut businesses….so, give me one reason why ANYONE would trust that vaccine. PLUS…who gives money to people to get the vaccine, or free lottery tickets…they know what they are doing….do not trust the vaccine. period.
If it is all that great and that goes for anything, people do not have to be; coerced, mandated, bribed or anything else to do whatever it is. Yes, they need the availability of pro’s and con’s to assist in their decision and that is where it ends.
With all due respect to Stella, who I am not addressing here, right now there is a MASSIVE push going on for these COVID-19 MRNA experimental injections. THIS topic is on the forefront, because workers, children and young adults who have no problems with COVID-19 and have been on lockdown for an entire year, are now being HEAVILY COERCED to get experimental injections “or else” sit out classes/ work assignments come September!
Many of these healthy people already have the natural antibodies present from a prior Covid -19 infection. THIS injection push is wrong on so many levels.
I was never an anti-vaxxer *before* this and my kids had all their childhood vaccines.. BUT I NO LONGER TRUST THE FDA. These people are NOT your grandma’s FDA.
And doctors who sat back and allowed high-risk COVID-19 patients to die without safe, early treatments, or even with their loved ones nearby, are NOT your Dr Welbys, either.
I already knew the WHO and CDC were FUBAR since the Ebola debacle of 2014, when they refused to quarantine people flown into USA from sub-Saharan Africa’s Ebola clinics. And they changed the WHO website to omit reference to contagious cough droplets, right as these people stepped off the planes.
Now, they are chasing *healthy* people around with experimental injections. Crazy town.
This is like the scene in Rosemary’s baby, when she realizes everybody she ever trusted was in on some satanic plot.
TRUST is the big issue for me. And I believe I speak for many. Only a massive purge of these psychos will regain my trust, if ever. Not even Donald Trump can talk me into those jabs.
I’m taking my Ivermectin prophylaxis and my kids already have antibodies. FauXI and Commo can leave us all the eff alone!
So.. did these “experts” ever have that meeting to discuss the hundreds of heart problems those young people experienced after their experimental injections? Did they move on from their Juneteenth holiday break and get back to work “saving” lives yet?
Every time a new freebie (bribe) is offered for this vaccine, it makes me even more determined not to take it. I still don’t understand people that get the vaccine after having the virus (I know some personally that have done so). Also, with the symptoms varying so broadly, who can actually say if the haven’t already had the virus?
I believe in vaccines- I’ve had all of mine, as well as my children. I don’t believe in taking an experimental drug/therapy that you have to threaten people to take.
With all the people that have received the vaccine why haven’t the necessary analysis been done to either certify it or to have it taken off the market? Also I think that a lot of the reluctance to not take the vaccine is because of a matter of TRUST. Since medical people are being threatened with having their license to practice being taken away, who can you trust to give you what you need to decide to take the jab or not?
Thank you Judith. My view is that the vaccines have had limited testing and review, are labeled experimental, and a bunch of agencies who outright refused therapeutic treatment with hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin should not be pushing almost untested vaccines on low risk people who now have access to the safe and effective therapeutic medicine.
I’m at risk, but I do not expect to get any further vaccinations in my lifetime. Too many people/institutions have lied to us.
Issy, for me and I believe many other Treepers it goes much deeper than take the vax or don’t take it.
Everyone has a right to take it if they want.
The questions are why are the government, big pharma and medicine pushing an EUA vaccine on so many people? Why is there an apparent cover-up of deaths and side effects associated with the vax? Why are young people who are at very low risk from Covid being pushed to take the vax?
These questions and more are why we discuss the vax. Many of us believe the vax is integral to the entire Covid /China/ Election Fraud.
Agree, its the non-stop push, bribes, lotteries, to get people to take these vaccines with so little known about the side effects, if any, that is giving new life to anti-vaxxing in general.
Stella makes an excellent point about the long term effects when we have a growing number of people now turning off from all vaccinations because of the cloud of unknowing surrounding the covid ones.
In a generation or less we may begin to see outbreaks of measles, polio, and many other childhood diseases we assumed had almost been made extinct simply because of the push to shame people into not covid-vaccining.
Another unintended consequence we get to look forward to.
Actually, stella, after reading all your posts and rebuttals above, it is clear to me that you ARE trying to conflate the Covid vaccines with all other vaccines. No two diseases, and no two vaccines are the same. I now think you are playing with semantics and weasel words to make your point, which appears to be:
“Vaccines are traditionally good, so be good and take your experimental covid stab.”
Am I wrong?
Yes, you are wrong.
81352Ran…………..Yes.
muh russia…
Pre-covid, Georgia-the-country”
Georgia: Is Russia Weaponising The Anti-Vax Movement?
Measles outbreak may be linked to wider disinformation campaign.
https://iwpr.net/global-voices/georgia-russia-weaponising-anti-vax-movement
Did the same in Ukraine:
Measles cases have tripled in Europe, fueled by Ukrainian outbreak
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/02/measles-cases-have-tripled-europe-fueled-ukrainian-outbreak
And Greece:
Russian disinformation and the measles surge in Greece
https://www.ekathimerini.com/opinion/239108/russian-disinformation-and-the-measles-surge-in-greece/
This is one of Putin’s old tricks. Even if it doesn’t cause increased illness, it provokes arguments.
Interesting.
Yes–to all of this, Stella….
I had schoolmates with withered arms from polio and clearly remember the saturating FEAR that our parents felt every summer during the 1950s with regard to polio. I remember the terror experienced by women in the early months of pregnancy who feared they had been exposed to measles, and the anxiety of young men who got the mumps.
It is distorting and damaging to generalize a particular perspective in a way that ends up being untruthful, although it may have had honest oberservation, truth, and personal opinion as legitimate starting points.
This last year has exposed the weak points of generalization, personal fearfulness, anger at being manipulated (from all directions), and confusion, even on the part of those who intend to think clearly but find the flow of information inconsistent–pretty much reflecting the origins of the information.
These things are not simple to deal with, especially as they may expose my own flaws and fears that, previously, were not seen as significant.
Interesting
” This last year has exposed the weak points of generalization, personal fearfulness, anger at being manipulated (from all directions), and confusion, even on the part of those who intend to think clearly but find the flow of information inconsistent–pretty much reflecting the origins of the information”
I was discussing the agression and anger i am seeing manifested in my peers and this was a part of it.
Laws are based on the social compact. Government then layers.on top of that until it becomes unrecognizable. At that point societies resist and laws become unenforceable and people resist.
The covid layering was different. They managed to streach the social contract by enlisting the help of trusted agents (medical, scientific). They managed.to place enforcement largly in the hands of others (store and restaurant owners, karens of every type).
It is the techniques of the nazis, science and medical agreed Jews were inferior and worthy of reprisals. Turning in neighbors was perfectly predictable and understandable.
So now as truth comes out will we as a society rebel against our represser? Will we toss off the shackles? Or will we be redirected to reject our neighbors are trusted guardians and the social contract all together. God save us all the next 5 to 10 years will be an Interesting time. I fear the chance to save the fabric of our society is waning.
So what are the puppet masters goals here, do they have a plan to cement their power and position , or do they just want to watch it burn? Will we set our own fires of destruction? An angry population without a clear outlet is both dangerous to itself, or directed to the world devastating.
The anger is building and we are looking for cause and outlet. how many of you here have raised your voice to the wind recently spilling out anger at ????? Everything????
One goal might be to weaken us, divide us every which way. Prevent us from organizing to fight them effectively.
“So what are the puppet masters goals here”?
Perhaps “puppet masters” is too kind of a term to use to describe the crooks who tried to steal the election in November, 2020.
The 2020 fraudulent election crooks aren’t geniuses.
They are the gang that couldn’t cheat straight…..heck, they left a trail a blind man could follow.
JMO, the coup plotting, creepy, crooks are about as smart as the Al Capone gang.
Take a look at their front line troops in Arizona, Georgia, etc……. look at the videos of the night of 11/3/20 …….. what you see are just regular ol’, run-of-the-mill crooks in a criminal enterprise …. nothing special.
Then look at their “behind the front line” troops in DC. Just your regular ol’, run-of-the mill crooked political hacks …. nothing special.
There is no doubt that we have got a fight on our hands but it is a fight that is winnable.
With President Trump as our leader, MAGAs are on the winning side. The enemy will try to distract us with all of their fake trial balloons…….we are just not going to fall for them.
Stella, deeply appreciate you, and all you do.
Perhaps the issue is not vaccinations, but rather scientific integrity and transparency.
How do we consider the ethics of forcible, coerced medical procedures — like organ harvesting from prisoners, coerced abortions that were done in China, etc. Are these things permissible for the “good” of the larger community?
According to CDC data examined by Children’s Defense Fund, the Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) rate declined by roughly 200 infants per week during the lockdown. This coincides with a period when well-baby visits and infant vaccinations were paused. Should scientists be asking obvious questions?
It is not an attack on vaccines or vaccinations to ask questions about when is the most appropriate time to use them.
Just as with Covid vaccines, you and your child are not obligated to do something that carries risk of death or disability.
The risks and benefits should always be carefully, and honestly weighed, with respect for the unique bodies of individuals..
Parents will be paid for volunteering their children. Is this ethical?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article252158818.html
Can we please get away from the Covid vaccine, just for one moment?
Nope! I have probably had more vaccinations than you. Plague, Rabies, Hep B. plus all the standard stuff. Not against them. Next up for me is Shingles,
Against the idea that one would equate the COVID vaccine to any of the above. It is experimental, PERIOD!
I wasn’t talking about the COVID vaccine. That is an entirely different subject than what I was trying to point out.
I thought I was clear about that, but apparently the Covid vaccine is all that anybody wants to talk about and any other subject related to vaccines is swept aside.
I DID NOT EQUATE THE COVID VACCINE TO ANY OTHER VACCINES! IF YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THAT, THEN YOU DID NOT PROPERLY READ WHAT I WROTE OR THE ARTICLE THAT I LINKED.
I hear you Stella.
The SIDS rate has declined steadily since the 1990’s.
https://www.cdc.gov/sids/data.htm
Besides, SIDS is not associated with vaccines, and some common vaccines (MMR for example) aren’t even given until 12 months of age. DPT is given in the first 6 months and, since pertussis is a killer of infants, it makes sense.
https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccines-and-other-conditions/vaccines-sudden-infant-death-syndrome-sids
Is there any indication that infant vaccination has lessened significantly? Anyway, there are studies that show that unvaccinated children die of SIDS at the same rate as vaccinated children.
I personally like to hear other peoples views on things.
I think you did a great job stimulating conversation on vaccinations that helps to cause people to open their minds and think things through.
Great post.
Interesting to read that SIDS deaths have declined during the lockdowns. Perhaps having the parents at home 24/7 may have added to the decline in deaths, more time to pay attention to the baby instead of relying on daycare or babysitters?
That would be nice to see if someone does a study on that. We had a neighbor who’s child had SIDS. Thankfully she did outgrow it.
Absolutely integrity and transparency…something that some scientist have not be on the up and up about
Lots, depending on their field.
And the fact that the CDC has known for years about vaccines and autism in boys – especially black boys?
Or all the peanut allergies when they were using peanut derivatives as adjuvants? You can directly tie the increase in peanut allergies and then the sudden decrease to when they started using those adjuvants and when they stopped.
Or giving newborn babies the Hep B vaccine in the hospital when Hep B is spread through sex, IV drug use and transfusions. It also requires a booster after 8 years. That’s putting poison in babies to make profits for Big Pharma and their bought and paid for politicians. Won’t even get started on the fact that almost all polio worldwide is now caused by the vaccine or the hundreds of thousands of girls sterilized via the gardisil vaccine.
I’m sorry, but that is a lie. Studies all over the world have proven that vaccines are not related to autism.
Pharma doesn’t make much money from vaccines. This is another lie that is pushed by anti-vaxxers. In fact, not long ago vaccine production was being pushed overseas because U.S. Pharma companies didn’t want to be bothered. I am sick of the LIES.
You need to back that up. Pharma might not be making a lot of money on it, but they are part of the kickback scheme.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-23/how-much-is-the-trump-administration-spending-on-a-vaccine
The Warp Speed program’s budget is as large as $18 billion, far bigger than the $10 billion cited by the government
Again, I was not talking about the Covid vaccines.
Thanks Stella for firing up the comments!
Agree; this is an excellent conversation. It helps us to separate all the beliefs, fears, anxieties emerging from the covid vaccine situation from normal, regular, approach to vaccines in general.
if we can separate the two in our minds we can see clearer and give our natural common sense a chance to re-enter our lives.
This constant 24/7 drumbeat of fear and awe, doom and gloom makes common sense hide when we need it more than ever.
Vaccines do not have to go through the same testing cycle. It’s a much shorter cycle so more profitable for Pharma. Pharma profits were going down over so this Covid situation is a big help.
Too much self promotion but there is some good info regarding Big Pharma (Prescription Drugs, Vaccines) mixed in.
This is Why Big Pharma Needs You (at least 60% of YOU). An Economic Systems Analysis.
https://vashiva.com/this-is-why-big-pharma-needs-you-at-least-60-of-you-an-economic-systems-analysis/
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While Big Pharma makes, depending on the company (and assuming their reporting is trustworthy), only 2-5% of their gross profits on vaccines — that profit is liability-free.
While it is true that drugs that treat diseases may have lifetime income incentives (why cures are not as valuable) — especially in a medical system in which the government Medicare, Medicaid, is paying, relatively few people need those “treatments” compared with, e.g. requiring all infants or public school children to get this or that.
It is not liability free. Any decision by the vaccine court may be appealed and petitioners who reject the decision of the court (or withdraw their petitions within certain timelines) may file a claim in civil court against the vaccine company and/or the health care provider who administered the vaccine.
Measles-mumps-rubella vaccination timing and autism among young African American boys: a reanalysis of CDC data
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25114790/
And there’s a lot more the CDC openly admits it now and whistleblowers have come forward
And vaccines have been proven to be linked to autism again and again but they cover it up and destroy any doctor or scientist that says otherwise just like they are doing around COVID and many other issues. Why would you believe the deepstate or the globalists? Seriously?
Stella! Come ON! Of COURSE pharmaceutical companies make HUGE money on vaccines! If EVERY single baby and every single child from 0 to 18 has to get EVERY single vaccine recommend by the CDC it is ludicrous to think they are NOT making money on vaccines. That is just common sense. Science has been corrupted. So when you say “studies all over the world” that means nothing.
Brandolini’s Bullsh!t Asymmetry Principle:
The amount of energy required to refute bullsh!t is an order of magnitude greater than to create it.
Ain’t that the truth!
Not disagreeing with you, which is why I was very surprised when I read this article (just this morning) by Sharyl Attkisson about a vaccine-autism link that was covered up:
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/06/you-are-a-pathetic-liar-cdc-senior-scientist-to-cdcs-head-of-immunization/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Sharyl+Attkisson+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=Daily+Newsletter
What do you think?
They make billions on vaccines.
This is the reason for vaccinating infants against Hepatitis B:
https://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/hbv/perinatalxmtn.htm
Hepatitis B virus (HBV) infection in a pregnant woman poses a serious risk to her infant at birth. Without postexposure immunoprophylaxis, approximately 40% of infants born to HBV-infected mothers in the United States will develop chronic HBV infection, approximately one-fourth of whom will eventually die from chronic liver disease.
Perinatal HBV transmission can be prevented by identifying HBV-infected (i.e., hepatitis B surface antigen [HBsAg]-positive) pregnant women and providing hepatitis B immune globulin and hepatitis B vaccine to their infants within 12 hours of birth.
Preventing perinatal HBV transmission is an integral part of the national strategy to eliminate hepatitis B in the United States. National guidelines call for the following:
Here is what the CDC says about the study that concludes that black boys/vaccination/autism are related:
The authors reported this finding was most likely a result of immunization requirements for preschool special education program attendance in children with autism.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/cdc2004pediatrics.html
If you are a whore or a junkie maybe your kid needs it but not 99% of infants. It’s BS. When they started requiring it for infants it was after no enough adults would take it and they needed to make it profitable – there are plenty of news articles about this.
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Prevalence of Hep B in the population is only 0.4 %.
It’s caught from unprotected sex or sharing needles, prolonged contact with someone who has Hep B. Like a druggie.
Hep B is a liver disease but it can be in someone’s body for 50 years without symptoms. And when caught early, there are treatments.
In addition, young women can get themselves tested for it before or during pregnancy if they might be someone at risk in their teeny portion of their demographic group that might have been exposed.
None of this would seem to warrant vaccinating every single newborn infant for it.
Yes of course the majority of mothers in the US are prostitutes and illicit drug users.
I shouldn’t have to point this out, but a young woman who contracts a disease via sexual intercourse is not automatically a “prostitute”. Besides, she may have gotten it from her whoring husband or boyfriend. That is how many poor women in Victorian times got syphilis – from their whoring husbands.
The women who contract Hep B who are not prostitutes and/or illicit drug users is practically nil, yet we vaccinate every baby born in America for the disease AS IF it is prevalent among all mothers. It just isn’t.
It is hard to honestly weigh the risks versus the benefits of vaccines when we cannot trust the companies who make them and the researchers who study them to be honest about their risks, even if it is for “the greater good”.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/06/read-cdc-senior-scientist-we-trashed-data-showing-vaccine-autism-link-in-african-american-boys/
As an interesting note, the incidence of autism among the Somalian immigrant population in Minnesota that has been on the American CDC vaccination schedule would be a great study. They don’t have autism to speak of in Somalia, they don’t even have a word for it but when they came here and started having babies and vaccinating them according to the CDC schedule they saw a huge uptick in autism in their communities.
What about body parts used from abortions in the US?
“Body parts” from abortion are not used in vaccines.
yep
which is why if i get a shot – it would be the J and J one, not the mRNA (Ever), until im signed up for immortality managements via mRNA dosing weekly.
They test nearly all vaccines against fetal cells. Almost every vaccine has ties to aborted babies. Add to that, they have all kinds of other things. The initial polio vaccines had a monkey virus that causes cancer – that was not only introduced to the vaccinated but also their children inherited it. This is an admitted fact.
True about the monkey virus, and it was believed by some to cause cancer in humans, but never proven beyond any doubt.
I read an article some time back that said the vaccines were safe but the carrying agents (I don’t recall the proper name) is the problem. As I recall it was in an article about autism.
Do you know anything about that?
Trust is important in a society..
the thieves are getting sloppy and destroying trust in the system for a large percentage of all voters.
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the people in position to make and promote vaccines are the issue with destroying trust, not the commenters with different opinions.
all of your opinions add value.
“TRUST” is needed to avoid having to always start from ground zero. they have destroying our trust in them. and that destroys the success of the country.
While I am not ‘anti’ vax, I am ‘cautious’ vax. My problem is not with vaccinations per se, but with the amounts given to babies and young children in batches 5-8 at one time. I am not a doctor or researcher but this seems very harsh on a developing immune system, especially for those babies being breast fed and who have Mom’s immunity for many things already.
Do I think vaccines have helped save children and adults from some nasty diseases. Yes and no. But I would err on the side of giving and taking them for the diseases most likely to cause harm. Most childhood diseases are gotten over quite well with no lasting effects for just about every child. I had all those diseases, my friends did too and we all were fine. One boy on our block caught polio and was sadly left with a basically useless arm for the rest of his life, but he was the only one I knew of who had polio. My parents had 5 children and we all were basically healthy and grew up into healthy adults. Vaccinations for the younger ones were few because at the time that’s all there were. Small pox, polio, DTP, measles. I didn’t need any but the polio vax and small pox. We all had chicken pox at some point also and none of us had any issues except being miserable for a week.
Do vaccines really do what they say they will? There are mixed opinions that the vaccine makers have actually done follow up studies on efficacy for all the vaccines. Also, no one knows how long immunity lasts from the vaccines. We know we need boosters for tetanus and others. Having the actual disease builds a natural, long term-lifetime probably-immunity. Our immune systems doing their jobs without any prompts from a vaccine.
It truly is a choice, an educated one, but my cautions still will remain for all vaccines. However, I would not say don’t give them to your kids. Just know as best you can, what exactly you are giving to them and space them out so if there is a reaction you know which one is the problem and you don’t overwhelm their immune systems. Most pediatricians will work with you on this.
Covid vax for kids is the one time I am sure it’s a bad idea to vaccinate. Right now anyway. Kids should never, ever be used for experimental medical testing. Bad idea to put the big risk on the littlest people, imo.
All just my opinion and as I said, I’m not a medical professional.
One nuance this line of discussion impelled me to research is the number of reported deaths from the ‘classics’ that I was vaccinated for in the 50’s while the research and approval into vaccines was being conducted and how long that process took and what the total casualty figures were for that period, deaths and injuries.
I’m cautious about the how and the humans involved and their motivations, not the concept of treatment and vaccination. Their actions, in totality, precipitated that caution. As evidenced by my dateline, I’m in the at-risk age group for Covid and other diseases which afflict the elderly.
Here’s a quote from a company advertising progress on a new vaccine…
“NVX-CoV2373 was created using Novavax’ recombinant nanoparticle technology to generate antigen derived from the coronavirus spike (S) protein and is adjuvanted with Novavax’ patented saponin-based Matrix-M™ to enhance the immune response and stimulate high levels of neutralizing antibodies.”
So, recombinant nanoparticles are adjuvanted. That’s comforting.
It is common to believe that “most childhood diseases are gotten over quite well”. Since I had a family member who developed encephalitis caused by measles (that and pneumonia are two common side effects) and had permanent damage to his eyes, I might disagree with you. Then there is Rubella, which often resulted in pregnant mothers giving birth to damaged babies. Pertussis (whooping cough) is a killer of infants, and is on the rise in the US.
Just keep in mind that as vaccination rates decline, disease rates increase. Measles, for example, is highly contagious, and it only takes one kid with the disease in a school to infect dozens of others.
Covid vaccines is another subject entirely, and one I was not discussing in my post.
I understand your points. I’m just saying in my life, I know that most of us had the childhood diseases and recovered just fine. Every one has different experiences. I also know you were not referring to covid necessarily. I just wanted to place my opinion on the experimental nature of the covid vaccine in relationship to young children.
I will never be fully comfortable with vaccines for a number of reasons, but I am not opposed to getting them either. I will always state that babies being forced into 5-8 vaccines at one time is monumentally wrong. Spread them out, some they don’t even need really at such a young age..
MMR does not have to be given early. Age 3 is fine and before school is mandatory. I believe in japan it can’t be given to children younger than 3. That’s just one of the problematic ones for kids. Autism link has been reported in black children-boys- and there was a big cover up about it.
Anyway, I get your points, respect them, but have a slightly different take on vaccines. That’s all.
with bioweapon aeroslyzed vapiing pen vaccines- why do we need to fear voluntary vaccines anymore , since they found a way to give anyone anything anywhere.
A couple of years ago, RFK Jr spoke outside the Capitol talking about about vaccines and the vaccination injury court. In that speech he stated that when he was vaccinated, in the late 50s or early 60s, kids received fewer than six vaccinations from birth to adulthood. He went onto state today kids receive up to 20 or more, I cannot recall the exact number, from birth to adulthood.
For me, upon hearing this I was shocked. How does one go from 6 vaccinations to 20+ in the space of four, five decades?
Because somewhere along the way vaccines became monetized rather than about the health and wellbeing of the individual. I know you don’t want to bring COVID into your discussion, but the Moderna vaccine alone made five men billionaires over night. That kind of stench is hard to shake off.
And as for me, I received those six shots and still got the measles and the mumps as a kid.
Anti-vaxxer or vaccine hesitancy is a natural effect from learning about negative consequences experienced, for many intimately, from these later vaccines.
As you said, one must delve into unfamiliar material to learn potential consequences when considering a vaccine for themselves and their families. The Vaccine Injury court and the abundance of testimony given by those harmed is an excellent source to include in your journey when weighing such decisions.
For the curious. Here is a link to the CDCs Immunization schedule for 18 mos to 18 years – https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html
For example the Dipteria, tetanus and acellular pertussiss vaccine a child from 18 mos to 4- 6 years old receives 5 injections over the 4 year span.
Here’s a link to State-by-State Vaccination Requirements for Public School Kindergarten – https://vaccines.procon.org/state-by-state-vaccinations-required-for-public-school-kindergarten/
Who knew flu vaccines were becoming a requirement? As of 2020 Massachusetts adopted flu vaccines into their schedules.
Does the CDC still have any credibility left?
https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-employees-call-agency-declare-153846890.html
TPTB have already done that in VT!
I agree Stella that we have virtually eradicated potentially deadly or crippling diseases through vaccinations. I also agree that extremists and misinformation is problematic from all sides. Like you, I am old enough to remember what effects they had pre-vaccine. I also believe we have gone to the opposite end by “over vaccinating” our children against more benign disease or vaccinating too young in many cases for things like HepB and HPV.
COVID vax is a class by itself. There is a statistical zero chance of pediatric mortality from this virus, unless there are serious comorbidities, children are not dying from this virus. It is also not approved, clinical trials dangerously “cut short” and phases eliminated with no proven track recored for efficacy and no real information on adverse events, short term and certainly not long term. It is crucial to seek information and even moreso to weigh the risk/benefit. When risks of death are high, rolling the dice on a new class of vax may be worth it, but in children, a COVID infection simply does not rise to that level. Ultimately, we need to be informed and responsible for ourselves and our children.
I wasn’t talking about the Covid vaccine at all. I was talking about our anti-vaccine members who are against all vaccines. Why are you lecturing me about the Covid vaccine?
I am cautioning that everybody do their own research and not just believe everything they read in comments on this blog.
Is that unreasonable?
I wasn’t lecturing Stella.
I spoke to your points on the merits of vaccines and their efficacy in eradicating diseases that were once deadly. I also gave my thoughts on over vaccinating and overloading. I added thoughts on COVID, since it is relevant to current concerns, merely giving the stats and facts as I understand them.
I joined you in encouraging getting accurate info to make informed decisions.
No offense intended. Be well.
One factor is all the illegals entering this country with who knows what diseases. This could be a factor in the rise of illnesses we are seeing.
Old enough to remember all the dangerous diseases we had to be vaccinated for. THIS VIRUS is similar to the flu and has many medicines to stop it. IT IS AN EXPERIMENTAL VACCINE. IT HAS NOT BEEN TESTED ON HUMANS. THEY ARE NOT REPORTING THE UP TO DATE DEATHS SO PEOPLE WILL THINK IT IS OK TO GET THE JAB. IT IS NOT FAKE DOCTORS REPORTING THIS, IT IS FRONTLINE DOCTORS. ALSO, frankspeech.com
These vaccines are truly for population control.
I have to believe that we have a bunch of non readers here. I WAS NOT talking about the Covid vaccine! Please read what I wrote if you insist on lecturing me.
I read what you wrote and I also read your links. I still come to the same conclusion. Childhood vaccinations are not what you present them to be. If my post gets approved, you will see why I said that.
It would be helpful when replying to quote the exact statement you are referring to. “Childhood vaccinations are not what you present them to be” does not give any information about your dissent is. We have no idea what your conclusion is based on or what you exactly are talking about.
I wasn’t talking about the COVID vaccine. Why do you think that I was?
Babies are to young to be given MMR Polio shots. Their Immune system is Immature. That is where the link to Autism develops. My Nephew was diagnosed with Autism. Normal birth and development.
I think they should be given later.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/01/cdc-quietly-removes-website-headline-claiming-vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/
MMR is not the polio shot, and MMR isn’t given until 12 months of age.
There is no link to autism and vaccines.
There are many other things that could cause autism and studies are being done. Here is one that you probably haven’t considered. Autism has increased during the same period that cellular phones and wireless networks proliferate. There is reason to believe (studies done by Harvard Medical School and others) that wireless and electromagnetic fields alter brain function and affect the nervous system. Research links these exposures to altered sleep, damaged mitochondria, increased oxidative stress, cellular damage, genotoxicity, and blood brain barrier permeability. When our bodies have increased stress at the chemical, immune and electrical levels, our brain health is compromised. Children are more vulnerable as their brains are still developing so the neurological effects will be greater.
A Yale study found cellphone radiation exposure caused mice exposed prenatally to have ”ADHD like” symptoms of hyperactivity and poor memory. In response to this growing body of research, obstetricians, medical doctors and public health educators have signed onto an initiative that recommends that pregnant women reduce wireless exposures to protect the developing brain.
Oh boy
Joe Rogan interviewed a biologist (a few months ago) who found a link between something in plastics and low testosterone. It was an interesting discussion.
She stated that one problem is the US doesn’t ban many chemicals as the EU who bans around 1,100. I found a lot of European products work better, probably because they’re not using a ton of chemicals to make something work. She also said when people started challenging some of the chemicals as dangerous, there were a few determined to be bad but others got grandfathered in as “safe” just because they weren’t being challenged at that moment.
I believe chemistry is great, but I also believe we try to over engineer chemicals for money saving. I think our food supply isn’t healthy with a lot of artificial foods and large portions that are lack nutrients.
We need a big change in a lot of our diets, as well as moving towards safer chemistry with companies realizing things may seem safe but in the long run they might now be.
bisphenol.
estrogen mimic – it seeps into the liquid of the plastic container through osmosis via high heat (transport across country trucking).
instead of stopping plastics – you create prononouns – helps u keep the profit.
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“Autism” is a broad, ill-defined and continually re-defined DSM category that has got to the point of being largely meaningless because it is described by multifarious different kinds of symptoms in the absence of medical knowledge as to the cause of those symptoms.
Vaccines do cause “brain damage”, however. But the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 conveniently is tailored to what is largely proved physical injury that results in neurological deficits that manifest in… many of the same things we otherwise would lump under the umbrella of “autism”.
Word games?
Everything I have read points to no proven link between vaccines and autism (or brain damage).
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Plenty of cases in the database for “brain damage”. Not “autism” because word games.
It is proven that measles encephalitis causes brain damage – and sometimes death.
Stella!
Thank you for your post.
It seems we as a society in general have become so polarized (for many reasons) that it is difficult to accept that everyone does not believe as we do. When it comes to medical issues, we are each individuals. We have different reactions to disease and we respond differently to potential treatments.
Our best strategy is to become as educated as possible, realize that what may work for me may not work for my partner or my children, consult a doctor (or several if you don’t have one you trust) and then use all of that information combined with your life experience plus common sense to do what you feel is best for YOU and YOUR FAMILY.
After all that, if you believe the sky is green, that’s wonderful. Just don’t constantly berate me if I don’t share that view.
Great to hear from you Stella. I visit your house often but, as here, don’t comment much.
Keep the faith, y’all!
I don’t think I berated anyone in my original comment. I was simply warning against a trend I have been watching here on our threads, presented some alternate views, and suggested that everybody do serious research about vaccines.
I don’t believe the sky is green, by the way. I do believe that most vaccines for childhood illnesses are good and have prevented damage and death to many children.
I was not referring to you when I mentioned berating and calling the sky green.
My intent was to be thankful for your ray of sunshine in what has become a somewhat gloomy treehouse.
My wife worked for a pediatrician while waiting to get accredited at the hospital to work in the ER right after she finished PA school. The doctor had a vaccination schedule he used that gave no more than 2 shots at one time. He said it was too much for infants to be given more than 2 vaccines at once. I can’t remember the exact observations, but he noticed better “reactions” as a whole with his patients when he implemented his shot schedule.
We used that schedule for our son. No problems.
Agree Stella…measles is a very nasty disease. Very, very sorry about your nephew.
All approved vaccines can have serious side effects and you sometimes don’t realize it right away. Every single time we get a vaccine, it can cause harm. Being in the healthcare field, I am a huge proponent of the tried-and-true vaccines. Depending on your age, absolutely everyone should have their titers checked as the huge influx of illegals is bringing with them diseases we have not seen much in the United States for a very long time. (Had my titers checked on ALL childhood disease vaccines….”negligible and trace” moved me to get booster shots for MMR, DTaP and Hep C)
While most on here will agree that the covid shots are NOT vaccines in the true, scientific definition of a vaccine, I believe that those who chose to receive this treatment did so after being brainwashed by misinformation VIA FEAR. There is nothing more powerful in the medical arena than fear of getting really sick or dying. Even with a fatality rate of 0.03% in those under 70, it will still scare a certain percentage of the population.
The Chicago tribune article spoke volumes…are there individuals who should not receive all vaccines? Yes, however, that decision needs to be made with as much information as you can get your hands on. GuillainBarre Syndrome is an extremely serious condition; encepholapthy is destructive and deadly. And it could go on and on.
All of us need to be our own health advocate…there is plenty of reliable information on pubmed for all to research and make your health decisions based on science, not feelings and fear.
I read where Bruce Lee died from a reaction to aspirin. His brain swelled killing him.
So anything you take can cause problems. I’m trying to illustrate that a case here and there does not make a pill bad. Only you can make that decision since you are the one that knows your families history and how you react to these meds.
Well, it looks like my post was not accepted. I will break it down in to smaller chunks:
Chicago Trib. Article: There is nothing there that is data and scientific based. It is all anecdotally.
As vaccine opposition grows, survivors of measles, mumps and rubella warn of lifelong effects, including vision loss, deafness: ‘How different my life would have been’
This line is troubling:
“(People) look around, and they don’t see polio. They don’t see measles. They don’t see the disabilities. It’s invisible,” said Stinchfield, senior director of infection prevention and control at Children’s Minnesota hospitals and clinics.
Why would I make a decision based on no scientific data?
There is plenty of data from the years prior to the availability of vaccines for polio and measles. The intent of the comment is clear: People don’t see the diseases much any more, so they see no reason to take vaccines to prevent the diseases. Yet, the diseases still exist in the world – in European countries and India, for example. Unvaccinated people can be easily infected while visiting other countries and bring them home. That is exactly what happened with the measles uptick in several states lately.
“THIS COMMENT HAS NOTHING WHATEVER TO DO WITH THE COVID VACCINES. PLEASE RESPOND ACCORDINGLY.”
There are a number of researchers who do not believe that there is such a thing as a virus. Any virus.
Those voices are heard on this website and, in part, they offer the question – “if there is no such thing as a virus, then what good are vaccines.” Not just Covid vaccine , but, any vaccine.
They may sound to you like vaccine demonizers, but, to me, they offer a reasonable and important alternative viewpoint.
For those who have had vaccine experiences and think of vaccines as a good thing, I can understand why they do not agree with that alternative viewpoint. But I don’t think that entitles them the right to point to an alternative viewpoint as someone who demonizes vaccines.
Doesn’t sound like an alternative viewpoint to me. Sounds crazy. Viruses can be see through electron microscopes. And I don’t believe they are made up with CGI.
Pictured here, through the lens of an electron microscope, are three virus size entities. If there were no captions, and you were given 100 different pictures of these, do you think you could pick out which is which and be right 100% of the time?
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No one uses electron micrscope imagery to identify a virus. Everyone tries to identify a virus through the application of Kochs principals. If they can’t do that, it ain’t there.
Next we take the next point:
I know you have read about people who have been harmed by vaccines, but you rarely read about those who were harmed by the diseases that vaccines were developed to protect against.
This is a good point. The polio impact was quite small, but its impact were to kids and was pushed to the media forefront. Out of 57 K cases, close to 24 K had serious or deadly effects as a result of Polio. This is like a close to 40% of serious problems with getting the virus. The death rate was like 5 %.
https://www.aier.org/article/no-lockdowns-the-terrifying-polio-pandemic-of-1949-52/
In 1949, the new polio epidemic appeared and swept through selective population centers, leaving its most tragic sign: children with wheelchairs, crutches, leg braces, and deformed limbs. For children with polio in the late 1940s, the disease caused paralysis in 1 in 1,000 cases of children aged 5 to 9. The rest had only mild symptoms and developed immunities. In the 1952 season, of the 57,628 cases reported, 3,145 died and a shocking 21,269 experienced paralysis. So while the infection, death, and paralysis rates seem “low” by comparison to the 1918 flu, the psychological impact of this disease became its most prescient feature.
So the impact of getting Polio in comparison to the general population was small, but the impact was big. Just the opposite here with Covid. The Impact is small and the comparison to the general population is even smaller. The damage or risk of not getting the covid vaccine is low risk, especially if you get it at a young age, where as Polio, if you got it at a young age, it is quite serious.
Here are the cases, by year. I’ll leave to others whether or not to believe that 21,269 paralyzed children in 1952 is minimal, not to mention the 3,145 who died.
The impact is small, you say. And, as I reminded you and others before, I wasn’t and am not discussing the Covid vaccines.
Next we address the measles epidemic. That has zero to do with Covid. Yes, it does have something to do with vaccines and how they worked in the pass, but again, the Covid vaccine is not tested. Yes, keep saying you are not talking about the covid vaccine, but that is what this is all about.
Considering that the Polio vaccine took almost 20 years to develop and the measles took at least 10, you gotta wonder why it took less than a year for the Covid Vaccine.
There is good source information here:
https://flo.health/health-articles/diseases/infectious-diseases/polio-vaccine-history
Early polio vaccine projects (1935)
Unfortunately, initial trials were poorly executed and caused great harm to those involved. Teams of researchers in New York and Philadelphia both administered vaccines containing active poliovirus to tens of thousands of living subjects, including children and chimpanzees. Many subjects became severely ill or paralyzed, experienced allergic reactions, and even died of polio.
Salk poliomyelitis vaccine trial (1952-1953)
Despite widespread concern over testing the vaccine on live human subjects, the studies continued. In the early 1950s, the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis (now known as the March of Dimes) funded a study by Dr. Jonas Salk and his team of researchers. They planned to try three different strains of injectable, inactive-virus vaccines on humans.
It took them 2 years to realize that there was a problem:
Vaccination programs suspended (1955)
When the U.S. Surgeon General questioned the safety of the trial vaccine, all polio vaccination programs were brought to a halt. An investigation revealed that it was responsible for 11 deaths, and hundreds of cases of paralysis. Apparently, some of the vaccines may not have been produced according to Salk’s methods and still contained active type 1 poliovirus.
They did not get it right until 1963:
Testing and licensing of Sabin polio vaccine (1959-1963)
For four years, researcher Albert Sabin partnered with health officials from the Soviet Union to produce a more affordable alternative. More than 10 million children received his oral polio vaccine (OPV) during this period.
Studies showed that Sabin’s version triggered a faster immune response and was easier to administer than Salk’s vaccine. Both Salk’s injectable vaccine and Sabin’s oral vaccine stopped the spread of all strains of the poliovirus through the bloodstream.
Ultimately, the U.S. Surgeon General recommended licensing of Sabin’s OPV, which combined vaccinations against all three types of polio in 1963.
As I said repeatedly in this thread, I am not talking about the Covid vaccines. It is NOT what this is all about (except in your imagination).
Yes, as I mentioned in comments I made on other occasions, there were deaths and injuries caused by bad manufacturing of the Salk vaccine.
I don’t understand what the links you posted about the polio vaccines have to do with measles (mentioned in the first sentence of your comment.)
finally we end it with the measles. It took almost 20 years to create herd immunity to it with the vaccine.
Then vs. Now: The Impressive History of the Measles Vaccine
https://www.healthination.com/health/then-vs-now-measles-vaccine/
n 1954, Thomas Peebles was the first to isolate the measles virus by collecting blood samples from infected patients in Boston. Throughout the 1960s, researchers in Boston made multiple attempts at the first measles vaccine. It wasn’t perfect at first; while it prevented measles, it caused side effects.
In 1968, Maurice Hilleman and colleagues perfected the vaccine by weakening it—making an “attenuated” vaccine—and this resulted in a vaccine that protected against measles without causing side effects. This is the vaccine that is still used today (although it was combined with the vaccines for the mumps and rubella in 1971, to make the single MMR vaccine).
Even with vaccinations:
https://www.healthination.com/health/measles-symptoms-complications/
Worst of all, measles can be fatal. Worldwide, measles caused 110,000 deaths in 2017—primarily among children younger than five—according to the World Health Organization. In the United States, about one or two children in every 1,000 cases will die from measles.
So measles causes death among children younger than 5 with 110 K deaths! And those deaths are with a vaccine deployed worldwide. Covid has caused less than 3 K deaths of anyone under the age of 29 since this started.
So doing a risk assessment, it would appear that not getting the Covid Vaccine is very very low risk, where as the Polio vaccine is debatable, but the measles vaccine is strongly justified. If I was going to error on the judgement of risk on Polio, the chance of getting Polio is small, but if gotten the risk is high that you might have problems. So it is reasonable to use a tested vaccine.
Again, my comments have had NOTHING to do with the Covid vaccine. I am thoroughly in favor of the measles vaccinations, since we had a serious measles complication in my family resulting in permanent life-time injury. The most prominent measles-related complications are encephalitis (vision, hearing and brain injuries) and pneumonia.
Are you suggesting that it is a waste of time and energy to vaccinate against measles just to save a few lives (not mentioning permanent injuries to the brain, vision and hearing)?
PS: The measles vaccine is NOT deployed world-wide – thus the large number of cases of measles. Then there are cases in some European countries (France for example) where parents have decided not to vaccinate against measles. There was this epidemic (data from the CDC), and another in 2018:
Although few measles cases were reported in France during 2006 and 2007, suggesting the country might have been close to eliminating the disease, a dramatic outbreak of >20,000 cases occurred during 2008–2011. Adolescents and young adults accounted for more than half of cases; median patient age increased from 12 to 16 years during the outbreak. The highest incidence rate was observed in children <1 year of age, reaching 135 cases/100,000 infants during the last epidemic wave. Almost 5,000 patients were hospitalized, including 1,023 for severe pneumonia and 27 for encephalitis/myelitis; 10 patients died. More than 80% of the cases during this period occurred in unvaccinated persons, reflecting heterogeneous vaccination coverage, where pockets of susceptible persons still remain. Although vaccine coverage among children improved, convincing susceptible young adults to get vaccinated remains a critical issue if the target to eliminate the disease by 2015 is to be met.
Dear Stella,
In the past, we could trust vaccines like the Polio, diphtheria, measles, etc. And as such most of us would have gladly taken these and would not be anti-vaxxers.
But, with the politicization and weaponization of COVID, and the conspiracy of Gates, Fauci, and the pharmaceutical companies pushing the COVID vaccine, I don’t think we can trust any new vaccines going forward. The same people that engineered the COVID vaccine to depopulate will engineer new vaccines in a similar manner with mRNA, aborted baby parts, or whatever nonsense they think they can get away with.
Again, I was not discussing the Covid vaccines. Why not respond to my original comment as written?
Rough evening, huh. Here you go: HUUUGGGGGG!
re: stella’s comments on childhood vaccinations
sadly, seems like the generations who have not had first hand experience with mmr, pertussis, polio, smallpox, etc., and who did not choose to pursue the childhood series for themselves or their children, are setting up a whole bunch of adults for some very nasty consequences.
as stella rightly points out, epidemics of formerly very rare, or non-existent (in this country anyway), diseases are becoming more commonplace for a number of reasons. if you’re unlucky enough to contract one of them as an adult, it can be VERY serious.
in risk v. benefit analysis, the childhood series are one of medicine’s best interventions.
I totally understand what Stella is saying. I didn’t get the sense that she was lumping COVID vac with childhood vacs, and I agree with her especially considering the dangerous open border we share with third world countries.
We ought not eat our own in these discussions.
I do not believe people are pretending to be “doctors” as you commented. I do look at Frontline doctors and believe everything they are reporting.
I respect your opinion and do believe we need to read, or at least be informed of information from all perspectives.
I had the measles vaccine – had measles 3 times years after that.
I had the mumps vaccine too – also had the mumps 2 years later
Not all vaccines work on everyone.
My business partner with no heart issues whatsoever, being responsible got the Moderna vaccine, both of the injections. Four days later a cluster of blood clots formed in the base area of his neck, and proceeded to enter the brain. He died this past Tuesday.
Not everyone can take these vaccines – though it may be very true the majority of people will have no problems other than expected side-effects.
It is being informed of all possibilities before taking, or not taking, a vaccine that is what is supposed to be the part of an informing media, not this propagandic push to get everyone to join in getting vaccinated while simultaneously hiding potential risks and making it sound like those who want to know the risks are – racist!
That’s the thing which makes the entire push to not vaccinate a very easy decision.
I would add that I still get the flu vaccine, tetanus, pneumonia and soon will be getting the shingles one once my physician determines I have no allergy to its ingredients. So am not an anti-vaxxer. But very anti-uninformed consent.
There are no words Bessie. I am so sorry to read about this personal tragedy. May God be with you and all those with whom your business partner was acquainted. What a tragedy.
You are right about vaccines not working on everyone. It is also true that when you have a disease you may not develop antibodies that prevent future infection (also your experience). I’m sure it isn’t common, but it is certainly true.
I am very sorry to hear of the loss of your business partner. If the vaccine caused his death, I hope that is discovered.
As I have said repeatedly, my comments are not related to the Covid vaccines, and I would never push anyone to receive the Covid vaccine. That is a matter best left to the individual.
I see the left is really scared about something today. They’re scared of Tucker Carlson obviously, but I sense there is something else, something bigger that has got them shaking. Why do I say this? It’s a pattern. The left attacks when they’re scared and my news feed is full of nasty stuff from CNN and the Daily Beast today. Just going off a pattern I have noticed.
Fulton County.
The new peer reviewed, meta-analysis paper that dropped on Friday showing that Ivermectin IS a wonder drug?(coincidence that Fauci starts talking about pills to combat Covid being developed on the very same day? Hmmm.)
Gonna be hard to keep that under wraps MSM (check out Sunday Morning Futures yesterday).
There have been so many studies published recently, might you share a link to the meta-analysis you are referring too? Thanks in advance.
Rah – maybe that sense your feeling has something to do with the beans the Chinese defector has spilt…
Your wish is my command.
https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx
Thank you, gda
I agree ~ it might be about the defector. Although, I can’t wrap my head around the fact that the DIA has some honest brokers still hanging around. Waiting to see if the shoe really drops…
the Left is getting nervous because things they thought they had wired are becoming unraveled. The potential consequences are not something to be taken lightly. Their only hope is enough crooked crooks as themselves remain crooked.
If true, Dong Jingwei is said to have the goods on Biden ,and perhaps, on other Congress Critters. Talk about unraveling…
“You’re a Pathological Liar – You’re a Running Dog for the CCP!” – Steve Bannon UNLOADS on Dr. Fauci (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/pathological-liar-running-dog-ccp-steve-bannon-unloads-dr-fauci-video/?utm_source=Gab&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
https://truthbasedmedia.com/2021/06/21/google-keeps-suppressing-the-shocking-interview-of-dr-robert-malone-inventor-of-mrna-vaccines-here-it-is/
This is a video segment to save — bookmark — and listen to ‘in pieces’, as it is 3 hours long.
In the video above, DarkHorse podcast host Bret Weinstein, Ph.D., an evolutionary biologist, interviews Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the mRNA and DNA vaccine core platform technology, 1 and Steve Kirsch, an entrepreneur who has been researching adverse reactions to COVID-19 gene therapies.
(This is posted on Dr. Mercola’s website.)
STORY AT-A-GLANCE
My personal hope is to see ALL of Bill Gate’s wealth confiscated, and distributed to those who have been harmed the most.
Additionally, I hope to see Bill Gates, et. al. — who are responsible for the creation & continuation of this ‘nightmare’ — to swing from the end of a rope.
Yes, this discussion is 3 hours in length. My suggestion is to either listen to it in segments, or put it on in the background as you do other things.
Still, save it. Bookmark it. Listen & Learn.
(My apologies if this has been posted previously. I am trying as hard as I can to pay attention & keep up, as well as — live my best life at the same time!
Honestly, my decision is to spend as much time as possible with my phenomenal horse. She has my heart, and I want to capture every moment while I can.)
Good summary – thanks for this.
I listened to most of this and it is well worthwhile.
Simply being hung is too good for those responsible.
CRITICAL RACE LESSON No. 1:
Don’t attend the Puerto Rican Day Parade in Chicago and drive home through a Black neighborhood.
We’ll check the 11pm Chicago news tonight for your next lesson!
Good call Joe. I remember when PDJT wanted to clean up the dump known as Chicago.
You end up at 110 St and Cottage Grove Ave you’d better have a plan.
Just as bad right in the Loop these days too.
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/university-of-maryland-graduate-student-anat-kimchi-stabbed-to-death-in-chicago
One more news article you won’t see in American media – the comparison to having Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner in the administration is specious since they worked for free for four years:
While President Joe Biden promised that none of his family members would receive government jobs, that hasn’t extended to his top tier of advisers, whose children and other family members have gotten administration gigs.
At least five children of his top aides have gotten jobs, according to a report Friday in The Washington Post.
Relatives of other aides – including Chief of Staff Ron Klain’s wife and press secretary Jen Psaki’s sister – have also secured high-level administration jobs or nominations.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9708705/The-relatives-Biden-staff-hired-administration.html
Still former ethics chief in the Obama administration Walter Shaub accused Biden of thumbing his nose at government ethics with the prevalence of family ties among his administration’s hires.
‘I’m sorry, I know some folks don’t like hearing any criticism of him. But this royally sucks. I’m disgusted,’ tweeted Shaub, who led the Office of Government Ethics from 2013 to 2017.
‘A lot of us worked hard to tee him up to restore ethics to government and believed the promises. This is a a real ‘f*** you’ to us – and government ethics,’ he added.
Talking to The Post, Shaub also asked, ‘In a country that had just come through a pandemic, how can these children of political appointees be the only people who are qualified for employment?’
Teeing him up for Khole to slice him into the woods. Heh.
The Biden crime family is alive and well.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hunter-biden-not-divested-chinese-government-linked-investment-firm
Righteous Indignation: Excuse Me While I Save the World!
https://www.conservativebookclub.com/book/righteous-indignation-excuse-save-world
The chapter “Breakthrough” [Chapter 6] is in and of itself well worth the price of “Righteous Indignation.”
He cites the early-20th-century so-called “progressive” era of Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson that set the stage for the more aggressive attacks on American ideals in the ensuing decades. T.R., in fact, gave a perfect summation of the mindset when he declared that Progressives were wedded to “no particular kind of machinery, save solely as a means to the end desired.”
“Scary stuff,” opines the author.
“Progressivism,” Mr. Breitbart tells us, “was a strain in American thought that merged Hegel with Marxism and Rousseau,” basically a “soft Marxism without the class struggle.” For pinpoint accuracy, it might have been better to pronounce progressivism as a less-fangs-bearing strain of Marxism, but that examples of class envy are found in rhetoric of both Wilson and the first President Roosevelt.
Mr. Breitbart fingers the people who later would aid and abet the importation of cultural and political poison to our shores. He “names names” of those in this drama who arguably were serious threats to the nation’s security.
The chapter’s 21 pages track an in-depth research on the influence of such intellectual rogues as Herbert Marcuse, Theodor W. Adorno, Wilhelm Reich and their ilk.
The “Breakthrough” chapter is at its best when it traces the transfer to the United States of the German-hatched Frankfurt School, or the Institute for Social Research (ISR) funded by Felix Weil, a young radical from Frankfurt, Germany, who used money from his rich grandfather while preaching the downfall of the capitalist system.
The Frankfurt School “was really a precursor to John Podesta’s Center for American Progress, funded by the Hungarian-born George Soros.”
The Frankfurt School, from its new American home at Columbia University, soon repaid America’s hospitality by unleashing “critical theory” among the populace. That term was coined by Frankfurt School philosopher Max Horkheimer. Mr. Breitbart describes it as encompassing the idea of “criticizing everyone and everything everywhere,” or making “society totally unworkable by making everything basically meaningless.”
This book further informs us that the late, famous broadcaster Edward R. Murrow “helped ship in many of the Frankfurt School’s greatest minds.”
“They walked right into our cultural institutions,” according to Mr. Breitbart, “and [when they] advanced their leadership, their language, their lexicon,” too many ignored them. That is the most dangerous thing you can do with “a driven leftist intellectual clique.”
Outstanding video that lays it all out perfectly:
History Of The Frankfurt School – Political Correctness and Cultural Marxism
It is a fantastic book. I know we have a lot of Andrew Breitbart fans here, if you haven’t it is a must read.
Cannot imagine the pain this family is going through right now
https://twitter.com/tburages/status/1406738374203949065
There are hundreds and probably thousands of people whose teens and young adults have died from this experimental gene therapy. Parents having this done to their children are guilty of anything that happens to them as a result. Parents are literally killing their children for convenience and/or social approval.
My cousin had their middle schooler vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine proudly displaying his card on social media.
I do not understand doing this to kids, it breaks heart and leaves me speechless.
If this is a population control thing, which is what it looks like, what the heck are the liberals going to do with no next generation?
That stupid Twit encouraged a poster to get the second jab for her daughter – while whining about her nephew’s death!
Read the comments —- the sheeple continue to be led to slaughter.
I feel for the family losing a child.
They are leftists……I read quite a bit of the twatter feed.
I feel for the child. The parents and extended family were clearly happy to sacrifice the child for virtue signaling purposes.
I agree they may be guilty of killing their offspring, but i can’t really blame the parents after months and months of being terrorized by the Government, Media, Medical Complex. Months and months of : “People are dying, if you don’t take the shot people will die and it will be your fault”
Well the aunt seems to be all gung ho for the covid vaccine even though it killed her nephew and was completely unnecessary for his age group.
This family reminds me of the father of the teen slain by an illegal alien who still thinks having secured borders is racist.
I had an interesting talk with my sister today . She is vaxxed, I am not. I mentioned that while I have no problem with the regular vaccines because they have been around for decades and we know the side effects, if any, and who should and should not take them, We know nothing of that with the mRNA ones there is NO LONG TERM Studies about possible effects and you can;t unvaxx yourself if you get long term side effects..
She mentioned maybe it would help people want to take it if it could be given in your doctors office.. I said that would be a good idea (still don;t want it) but at least your doctor is aware of your medical history and meds you take and any illnesses you have so he/she would be better able to determine if it is right for you or not and if you have a reaction you are at the doctors.. As opposed to some drive up clinic with a stranger who has no idea of your medical history or if you should be taking it or not…
Sadly, unless you find a red-pilled doctor, most are fully propagandized (at least in Canada).
But as you say, at least they have your medical history, and you get to ask questions and point out inconvenient facts to a real MD.
Try asking them whether their liability policy covers them if they fail to advise appropriately, especially for children and young adults.
Ask your doctor if he/she is aware that no HEALTHY person under the age of 45 has DIED of COVID in Canada and see what the response is.
You are giving “your doctor” way too much credit. They march in lock step with AMA, CDC and their employers who are giving them the orders and it is all tied into fear of malpractice and litigation. A real private practitioner is a rarity.
And loss of employment.
Lock-step too with the Big Pharma drug pusher’s.
This is comparing apples to oranges, but I have a diabetic dog. At her yearly checkup, I asked her vet about skipping her yearly vaccines due to her age and health conditions. At first, he was saying she should be fine with vaccines. During this checkup, we discovered that she had cardiac myopathy thru X-rays. He then conceded that she didn’t need her vaccines due to the stress on her heart. Be it a human or animal Dr., they have their hand in the cookie jar, and it is up to you to hold your ground and question everything.
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Good tracking of cases and other information available at
https://thecovidblog.com/
The cognitive dissonance is striking with this lady….
DID YOUR BROTHER LOST MIND ????
Yes, I know about manipulative polls, but I am surprised to see the Rasmussen poll has Biden at 49% approval just as the others did last week.
I suspect it’s inflated, but I also suspect that the unemployment checks that keep coming in are just what the Dems ordered for the lazy and they are giving him their vote of approval.
My take is the perpetually uninformed have no clue what the Biden regime has been doing. Therefore, they think it’s all going along just fine and old Joe is just a swell guy.
Yes, that and the MSM media insulates those dems that don’t -want- to know anything negative about Biden. One of the people that comes to a weekly lunch I go to is a lib, and he is clueless about anything negative to dems or Biden specifically. And he likes it that way,
Yes that poll has to be inflated by at least 50%. If it isn’t inflated, then the nation has already been lost… if that many of our citizens are THAT ignorant of truth and reality OR are that hateful of our country and think Barack O’Biden is doing a good job (a good job of destroying the nation).
Given the wall-to-wall propaganda, it’s no surprise sheeple just follow orders.
I’m actually surprised it’s not much higher. For a guy who got 80+M votes it should be.
Biden represents the opposition to the enemy they hate, and hate, and fear, is a powerful thing. Fear, you know, of the ‘insurrectionists’ who ‘murdered’ people on 1/6, an event 9/11 pales in contrast to. Propaganda like that. Biden is all that stands between them and the murderous racist wackos out there, aka us. It works. They are very good at what they do. The best and brightest minds our hallowed halls of higher education can turn out. Weaponized to destroy us. I hope, having seen this decades ago, it’s clear now. Obvious.
Frankly, I don’t blame them for wanting to side with those who, for now, appear to be winning. We can grouse and we can criticize and throw all the sand we want but that doesn’t change current reality and we continue to send them bullets and bombs to kill us with. Unpleasant, to be sure, but reality.
Myself, I don’t even recognize Biden as a fellow human. He’s a Communist collaborator. Nothing.
They must love expensive gas.
We still have not comprehended that half of the country are either on the dole, brain dead or brainwashed. Rasmussen is as good as it gets and while I find 49% approval appalling, I believe it.
For your scheduling purposes, the more frequent and breathless the news about the covid delta varient, the closer the Arizona audit results will get.
“ This is the story of how the FBI framed four innocent men for murder, destroyed families, and tried to cover it up. It’s also the story of the convergence of John Durham and Robert Mueller: how Durham uncovered the FBI’s crimes and how Robert Mueller’s FBI disputed the innocence of the men the FBI framed.”
https://technofog.substack.com/p/when-the-fbi-framed-four-innocent
Durham uncovered something?
Absolutely horrid what those men and their families went through.
President Trump said this just the other day, and got bashed in the MSM for it.
He said “young people”, and it made them furious.
Will the WHO be censored now?
What will the CDC do?
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1406981761142231041?s=20
In general, one could just say that “President Trump said [ … ] just the other day, and got bashed in the MSM for it.”
It’s what they do. And this kneejerk reaction is why weekly, sometimes daily, we are reading, “President Trump was right.”
No surprise to Treepers.
I have seen a lot of “Trump was Right” sentiment lately. Interesting times….
Rhetorical question: Why is the CDC always the laggard in these things?
LISTEN: Fauci Lets Slip That Mark Zuckerberg Offered Him ‘Resources & Money’ In Redacted E-Mails
https://thenationalpulse.com/news/fauci-reveals-what-was-redacted-in-his-zuckerberg-emails/
Nebraska Gov. Pete Ricketts announced that the state will send troopers to the U.S.-Mexico border to aid law enforcement
About 25 Nebraska state troopers will head to Del Rio, Texas, to assist the Texas Department of Public Safety to provide law enforcement support.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/nebraska-sending-state-troopers-to-us-mexico-border-over-immigration-crisis-governor_3867558.html
On the one hand I applaud any measures enacted to secure the border; OTOH, the more red states thin out their LEO ranks to do something the Feds are charged with, the more vulnerable they are to mercenary operations by the Communists. If wanting examples, Andy Ngo covers a lot of the mercenary ops on his Twitter feed, though not all. All they do is send out the word and the cells go into action.
One thing to watch with the states helping out with the border is who funded the DA’s in their large cities, that’s where the mercs will strike first if they have friendlies embedded in law enforcement and the judicial system.
That is our good Governor at work. Proud of him as he stands up for the United States!
Red states should pitch in. There is crisis at the border. Power is at the hand of bigcorp and billionaires. They want cheap labor.
Barnette is a Rep. Candidate for US Senate, from PA.
Enough from Stella……..PLEASE!!!!!!!
Oh, look. The mouse has a scroll feature.
Yes, thank you. Talk about a wasted thread.
Ditto my reply above, you can scroll or get lost.
No idea the context of this comment, but you’d best not be talking about OUR Stella.
Them’s fightin’ words in some places ’round here.
The context is derived from opinions.
Thanks jeans, appreciated.
I appreciate Stella’s reasonable stance. For some reason, CTH has been inundated with anti-vaccination messages. If someone wants to take a stance against the COVID-19 vaccines, that is fine. But Stella was referencing the anti-vaccination messages in general, not the Pfizer and Modern and Johnson COVID vaccines.
As I find myself generally surrounded by anti-vaxxers, including my own spouse and the church that I had gone to until the anti-vaxxer crowd completely dominated, I am well award of the mindset. Regarding COVID-19, now those same people are promoting the view that the vaccinated are placing the health of the non-vaccinated at risk by spreading toxins. I have actually been labelled a biological weapon because I took the moderna vaccine. As a Ph.D. scientist, I am appalled at the misinformation being spread.
I am glad to see Stella bring some sanity to the topic. Although, even as I write this, I recognize that maybe there is little point to bother discussing. I have seen the same misinformation spread over and over and it doesn’t seem to make a difference. But maybe Stella gives some balance for those of us disillusioned by the anti-vaxxer message– one that drove me from my church and might well be driving people from CTH.
Stella has done some excellent work on vaccine articles in the past, pre Covid. I have two autistic grandsons and went through a period where my daughter in law’s family member was trying to convince her to stop having her children vaccinated, which I was incredibly opposed to, and unable to stay out of the argument, too much at stake. I relied on her for so much good information.
Just as an FYI for different perspective, my church took the opposite viewpoint, and as someone who has, for now, chosen not to get the Covid vaccine, I found their stance uncomfortable. Also, Stella has had the vaccine and I have not. Strangely enough, we respect each other and our choices, and how we came to make them.
Also, I agree with her that we have way too many anti vaxxers who refuse to actually look at both sides, make sure their sources are valid (it isn’t that hard) and respect the choices of others.
Fair warning to the crowd. Nothing I said in any way reflects on your choices. Make them, talk about them, I don’t care, but you’ve tossed enough B.S. out here today. I said what I have to say, if you don’t agree fine, say so, but if you get insulting or nasty I’ll moderate you.
No matter which side we mods are on, we are all incredibly sick of the stupid crap that gets posted. Verify what you post. Respect each other’s choices. That is not hard.
Well said Menagerie. Also, I apologize for not crunching the numbers myself but if a person takes the total number of covid vaxes given in the world vs. the number of deaths it is a very tiny number, statistically speaking, the vax is safe. And yes, I know, we don’t know what its affects will be in the future but I know people who got the vaccine when it first rolled out with no side effects so far whatsoever, but we’ll see. However, if my loved one had died due to this vax I would be furious and I would feel that the vax should have been pulled from public use after the it reached the normal checkpoint of something like 50 deaths. Every person is significant, every person is important and I believe they should stopped it right then. I understand the greater good philosophy and I believe medical science has in the past proven to be helpful to the overall health of mankind. But something sinister is a foot here with the way this whole pandemic and vaccine has been pushed, frankly I don’t trust it and that’s a personal feeling. Each person should be allowed to make their own decision and parents should be allowed to know the truth in order to make good informed decisions for their children.
With VAERS reporting 5000+ deaths I believe we have a problem. I’m not a medical professional but how can they continue to recommend the vax to young males considering the spike protein issues causing heart inflammation?
FWIW-
11:20 PM EDT June 21, 2021
Are the COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths on the VAERS site confirmed?
Any reports of adverse reactions on the VAERS site are not confirmed and should not be taken as fact, according to the system itself.
According to VAERS, to date, there have been more than 3,800 reports of deaths that happened at some point after a person got a COVID-19 shot, but it does not mean the shot actually caused the death.
[…]
https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/verify/verify-vaccine-related-deaths-on-cdc-site-may-be-incomplete-inaccurate/275-a91d1e4c-5f91-4aaf-be3b-c9b0295e1aa9
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So this is Breitbart now?I go there if I want to read what the Breitbart people have to say.It’s lovely to read everybody’s opinions,but to take over a thread and attempt to drown out other opinions is a little too mainstream media for my tastes.That may be offensive to Breitbart administrators,but that’s free speech.
You can go wherever you want but if you stay here it’ll be listening to both sides.
I have been a visiting CTH for a long time and just started posting this year, after reading this thread and replies I think its time for me to say adios. I replied earlier that this whole covid vaccination is driving a wedge between alot people and I think Stella is pretty much calling those of us out who do not trust cdc or most of the medical community anymore.
I’m sure I will be called a troll or ill informed but just don’t feel like hanging out here anymore. Just over it all.
Might want to take a look at the “Admin” tag under that cute pup…
You’d better take yourself off of this thread, and maybe this blog, if your finger cannot work the scroll button. She contributes many things of value to this blog every day as an admin, and as a founder she always has.
You, on the other hand, have just exhibited he traits of a jerk.
At last!
There is no way a sane person remains a Democrat. Which tells me half the Country is populated by the insane.
Which tells me there is a massive, industrial-scale, vote fraud machine controlling these places.
Yes. It’s called “Clownworld.”
What I’m taking away from this is that a lot of people are actually really bad shots…
and chicago is fibbing on their #’s….
Prolly, but considering this stat measures growth in mayhem, maybe the others are simply catching up to Murder City.
With homicides and shootings increasing at such astonishing rates, it is inherently obvious that more ‘gun control’ laws are needed as well as more well-trained, brave and stoic Social Workers.
*sarc*
I love Catturd!
Today I listened to what was the Rush Limbaugh show. I’ve been a loyal listener since 1990.
I knew it would not be the same, but I never dreamed the EIB network would be infiltrated by the CIA and anti Trumpers.
Every caller pro DeSantis and never Trump for 2024. Now I love Ron DeSantis but I love Donald Trump MORE!!!
It was so clear what these 2 were doing…I fired off a nasty email and said so. It never fails, our side tries to destroy President Trump even before he decides if he’s running. No way that many anti Trump people called in today unless that was the plan. I never heard one anti Trump call during this entire past year….there’s an agenda being pushed here.
Rush loved President Trump.
The EIB made a BIG mistake today!! I won’t be back. Rush (RIP) is rolling over in his grave.
Dan Bonginio is annoying to listen to. He screams at his audience and persists on telling stories about him. Drives me crazy.
WELL..WELL.. you can still go msnbc and listen madc*w…….
Plus he is ex LE….nuff said?
Same here. I did not like Sexton in his 9-12 show, and with a partner it was just a dreadful show. Put Bo on! How did they get Rush’s show? I am complaining to EIB.
Yeah, I caught some of the show today. Not impressed.
Bo actually has his own show, every Saturday morning on WABC NY from 8 to 10 A.M. EST.
All Bo’s shows are available online should you miss one –
https://wabcradio.com/podcast/bo-snerdley-james-golden/
It’s a great show, btw, at least imo.
Give Bo a call during his show, he takes all comers.
No idea Rush’s will, but EIB may have been left to others, not Rush’s family. No idea, but it seems reasonable.
Had no idea.
Thanks for that.
Who might want our smelters to be blown up?
“Last week Cascade Steel Rolling Mill in McMinnville Oregon suffered a “catastrophic incident” that shut down all smelting abilities. Cascade Steel, a Shnitzer Co., is the largest steel smelter in the west. Just rebar alone, it supplies the 10 western states with estimated 60-75% of rebar. While they are tight lipped, rumor is it was a total loss and cannot be repaired, thus new equipment must be ordered from Europe, and estimates are anywhere from 2 to 6 months of down time. These prices have been jumping all year, you can guess what happened last week and this week. Then Saturday the Everaz Steel Mill/Smelter in Pueblo Colorado exploded, sending 7 to the hospital. This one is in the news. Estimates are they are down for 6 months or longer. We have one Steel Mill/smelter left in the west. (Nucor in Seattle). We were already suffering price hikes and shortages just starting the busy summer season. Now we’re being told the Nucor(seattle) sold out completely this Tuesday for their entire June Rolling/production. And if we wanted rebar in July, to get orders in this week. If we want steel in August, orders must be in next week. And no word as to pricing.
The next closest full service mill is in Arizona (CMC).
Wow. I’ve been in the industry for nearly 30 years. This is a first.”
—- poster on https://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=2536
All products can be made off shore and imported. Major supply chain delays to import and drives up cost due to low supply but high demand… think insider trading on infrastructure bills.
Just like the Green Energy Components, Major Consumer Appliances, Electronics, Wood, Automotive ….
Another interesting thing about smelters of nearly any metal or metal alloy you can name, they require “coke (carbon)” which is a special COAL product and made by a process that requires allot of pollution control. The US is gutting its coal and coal product industries.
Don’t worry Uncle Joe can get a 10% discount from Chy-na.
I’m wondering about that list of 16 “off limits” industries/locations/businesses that Biden handed to Putin…
Ja.
Thanks for the info, that’s my state and historical wheelhouse so great information. I’ve long suspected attacks on infrastructure would be essential in any adverse action scenario; operations which appear as accidents are one method to boil the frog slowly. A fire here, a derailment there, a ship blocking a canal, you know, stuff like that. That style matches up with the Covid op well. Sure glad I hung on to all the stock and scrap from shop operations for the last four decades. I remember last year machinery buyers wouldn’t take it for free, just stared at it. Heh, oh well, their loss is my gain.
OMG – haven’t heard anything about this. This is huge as far as infrastructure materials go.
The weird thing is – followed the link in your post and there was no link in that post page so did a duckduckgo search and found only two stories on it, it happened May 22 – and here’s the weird thing, both stories are behind paywalls. One a local online paper the other a trade site.
One would think if it was a local news event anyone would be able to read up on it from multiple sources.
Definitely something to keep awareness on going forward as far as our base industries. Treepers are the best for finding, sharing information not easily found elsewhere.
John Fredericks, just now on his RAV show “Outside The Beltway,” speaking with RAV reporter Heather Mullins and the person who brought the Fulton County, Georgia lawsuit, Garland Favorito –
Heather says she has docs proving Dominion Voting Systems hired a Nigerian guy in 2020, and that Nigerian guy is one of the Dominion guys running the Georgia 2020 election.
Nigeria? Was it the same Nigerian Prince who has my winnings?
Garland Favorito said the court hearing today was basically deciding who is responsible for the 2020 election
fraudstealvoting problems in Fulton County, Georgia.Favorito’s attorney had the foresight to anticipate the defense’s next move and had a brief and an amendment to counter the other side’s defense guy. (note to self – wasn’t Robert Barnes just in Georgia?)
Favorito is still asking for a full Fulton County, Georgia audit, but Favorito’s purpose is to correct problems for the NEXT election, NOT rectify the 2020 election.
Favorito says he anticipates a ruling in two weeks, and a possible beginning date for the audit in August, which will involve viewing the stored ballot images and a forensic audit of the actual ballots, and who knows how long that will take.
Don’t get yer hopes too high for Georgia, kids.
and i remembered all this all by myself, with no errors, and without taking notes. hooray for me
Fantastic summary – thank you so much!
A lot of Nigerian emigre’s in Georgia so that may not be unusual if they were hiring local people. Not all Nigerians are 419er’s aka relative of a dead prince who can’t get their money out of the bank unless kind strangers from the State’s send money to help them.
Trump:
“I never admitted defeat… I have not conceded.”
WATCH INTERVIEW – President Donald Trump: “I Have Not Conceded”
https://trends.gab.com/item/60d0fc9958e539588d4853fe
Great minds…ha. Posted the same thing, just below.
“I Have Not Conceded”-Trump Gives Bombshell Interview To Dave Brody
https://thepalmierireport.com/i-have-not-conceded-trump-gives-bombshell-interview-to-dave-brody/
He was cagey about being reinstated when the fraud is proven with “we’ll see” answer. In conclusion Dave asked what would you say to give the MAGA faithful hope and he answered “stay tuned”.
I LOVE that!!!! The GOAT!
Greatest of all Time…indeed.
ICYMI – FYI – WTF — Trust Science — ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The Uni-Party does not care about their own Children…
Do you think they care about your Children…
The teenaged boys all looked like they were having heart attacks.
They complained of chest pain and general discomfort, and tests looked at first as if they were suffering an acute myocardial infarction, or heart attack.
Severe myocarditis can permanently damage your heart muscle, possibly causing: Heart failure. Some people might have chronic and irreversible damage to the heart muscle requiring lifelong medications, while other people need medications for just a few months and then recover completely. In mild cases, persons should avoid competitive sports for at least three to six months.(Mayo Clinic)
The CDC is full of evil bastards then!!! Should have met by teleconference or whatever it took. Guess they’re hoping a few thousand more young men will die before they have to put a halt on the money they’re making off the vaccine.
This just makes me furious!!!! Maybe the cardiologist treating one of their family members should put that urgent treatment off while they observe the holiday!
Evil POS!!! Satan’s spawn one and all!
Russian ships in the Hawaii area…
“In addition, the U.S. has made a sudden announcement of a Missile test from the area of Kodiak Island, Alaska, toward Kwajelin Atol in the Pacific, which would see a US missile headed very fast and very close to the Russian Fleet!”
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/russian-pacific-fleet-now-only-35-miles-from-honolulu-us-lines-up-missile-warning-vessels-in-pacific
But the missile path depicted on that website is going past Midway Atoll, not Honolulu. That is like saying Miami is close to New York City.
Maybe they chose to do it because they know the Russians aren’t close enough to observe it.
Arizona Senate to Adjourn BEFORE Arizona Audit Results Released – Not Scheduled to Reconvene Until 2022By Jordan Conradson
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/arizona-senate-adjourn-arizona-audit-results-released-not-scheduled-reconvene-2022/
???!!!???
I read the article, and it seems the commenters are ignoring the fact that the results will be released by August regardless, since almost everyone there is saying that they’re trying to delay the audit (even though it will be released REGARDLESS). However, considering most TGP readers (I among them) have a reputation of not reading the full articles (such as people being under the false impression that the results would be released June 14, when they meant that the HAND COUNT would be completed then, and it was. Or how June 26 will be it’s release, when in fact that’s when the paper evaluation will be completed. But hey, any chance to doom and gloom, I guess). They can twist the article into saying that the results won’t be released until the Senate reconvenes, which is false of course as it clearly states that the release date of the results will be August.
Sorry for the minirant, I just get ticked off at the amount of seemingly ignorant people who don’t bother the actual article they’re commenting on lol
Are you saying I didn’t read the article ?
IF you are I get ‘ticked off’ at people saying THAT to me.
I wasn’t referring to you at all, I was just making an observation of people to comment on the TGP site that DO do that stuff.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.
I have a comment awaiting approval, just disregard, please.
I very seldom read the comments. Too many trolls, and too much vulgarity, on that site.
THIS is the best site for reading comments, that I have found …
All together now Republicans: “so something like this can’t happen again”
No one will be held to account.
Agree! No one will be held to account so guess what? “That which is rewarded continues.”
I don’t know how long this will be up on youtube but this is an excellent review of the globalist objective of subjugating us and removing our freedom. We may need, regretfully, to bring back the hanging tree or public gallows, maybe non too soon. We are watching our future here. Be cautious and aware of what is happening.
Bring back the real president.
Dr. Peter McCullough:
“We have now a whistleblower inside the CMS, and we have two whistleblowers in the CDC. We think we have 50,000 dead Americans. Fifty thousand deaths. So we actually have more deaths due to the vaccine per day than certainly the viral illness by far. It’s basically propagandized bioterrorism by injection.“
Nice article.
https://leohohmann.com/2021/06/21/behind-the-vaccine-veil-doctor-cites-whistleblowers-inside-cdc-who-claim-injections-have-already-killed-50000-americans/
Form to download when employer demands a vaccination – through Solari, a Catherine Austin Fitts organization.
https://pandemic.solari.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Form_Employees_Whose_Employers_Are_Requiring_Covid-19_Injections.pdf
Well let’s run some simple numbers:
Number of deaths from/with Covid – 617,000 to date
Number of deaths from Covid ALONE (no co-morbidities) – 5% of 617,000 = 30,850 (as per CDC)
Number of deaths from Vaccines (from above) – 50,000 (approx)
Yup, you’re right! By my calculations 50,000 IS > 30,850 (unless you go by “Critical Theory math” of course)
did you check with ..stella regard these #’s…….
Covid virus is a class of it’s own, it’s not deadly to anyone IF appropriate measures are offered for protection & early intervention with readily available, inexpensive & safe medications, even for those w/ comorbidities. Sadly, saving lives was replaced with power, funding, exploitation & control.
Experimental injections they’re terrorizing people into submission to accept is strictly to enrich the oligarch class, going so far as to mandate them in order receive services and creating 2 classes of people, the ‘clean’ and ‘unclean’ (the obedient and disobedient ) to allow discrimination. They should never be conflated w vaccines.
Pretty sure the government would have shut this down due to the number of deaths ASSOCIATED with the vax, if it were not a Super Duper ScamDemic VAX.
Just an FYI – former Pres Trump Constitutional attorney Jenna Ellis has formed her own legal group after the election, the Election Integrity Alliance, similar to Stephen Miller’s law group but focusing exclusively on Election Integrity.
Ellis also has her own show “Just The Truth” at 6 p.m. EST on RAV.
Tonight, David Brody is sitting in for Ellis on her RAV show “Just The Truth.”
Seems Ellis is out doing work for the Election Integrity Alliance tonight.
Remember those names, and stay tuned.
“Jenna Ellis, once an attorney for former President Donald Trump believes he won the election but said he can’t resume his place in the White House until the next election, a position Sidney Powell, an attorney who filed election challenges on Trump’s behalf, disagrees with.”
So, Jenna’s group is similar to …..but not exactly like…..Stephen Miller’s group.
JMO, Stephen’s group is MAGA (““fraud vitiates everything “), while Jenna’s group is following the path of pennnceee and the GOPe which removes her MAGA credentials. Penceee, GOPe and Jenna want nothing to do with MAGA and the feeling is mutual.
So you are no real conservative or just jumping ship? GOPe indeed!
The Face that launched a thousand lies.
The Fly Knows….
hmmmm…reaction of ….l i z a r d… hmmmmmmmmmmm…
The fly never lies!
It’s nice to know flies are MAGA all the way!
I miss Kayleigh…
https://humanevents.com/2021/06/21/breaking-dr-peter-daszak-removed-from-covid-19-commission/
You don’t say.
I wonder why.
If that is the WHO commission to whitewash China, I sincerely think that everybody on that commission is just as conflicted as daszak.
Seriously, why would China let anybody on that commission that they couldn’t control.
We may be the biggest funders, but China bought and paid for many of the relevant WHO leaders. And WHO has participated in multiple fraudulent coverups over this Wuhan flu on Chinas behalf. They aren’t going to stop now.
So sad: OSU student, elite athlete & member of ROTC, dies after 2nd vax dose. Mother claims nobody warned her about risks of COVID vaccine-related adverse events for people like her son, who already had COVID and had acquired natural immunity.
There’s no repercussions, why would they?
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/greyson-follmer-pfizer-vaccine-myocarditis/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=faf15c81-fc5a-4174-bb39-70c908f37be8
This is doubly sad. And maddening. Infuriating.
Even more so when you consider that NO-ONE will pay for this, or any of the thousands like this.
What a world we currently live in.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/13-year-old-boy-dies-after-second-pfizer-shot/
Covid Shmovid – you can’t keep the Druids down, especially on Summer Solstice day
Druids DEFY Covid ban at Stonehenge: Police move on hundreds at Neolithic site on summer solstice as English Heritage axes Facebook feed showing sunrise amid chaos
Any Wiccans attending. I mean whats a party without Wiccans?
If we have any luck at all they will use Christopher Steele as a human sacrifice.
Alas, it is just a dream.
A bill to prohibit Oregon schools from requiring students to show they can read, write and do math at a basic high school level is headed to Gov. Kate Brown after lawmakers gave final approval Wednesday.
The Oregonian/OregonLive: https://archive.is/trfmc
…Clownworld. It just keeps getting bigger.
Really the only thing a teen student needs out of high school is proven mastery of Critical Race Theory.
So is collegiate football now over?
“That is my opinion, which is backed up by more science than any anti-vaxxer here can muster.” stella
That was so rude. I also do lots of good strong research.
Stella, while I know you did not weigh in on the COVID vaccine, I come here daily to a barrage of arguments regarding the vaccine much to my disappointment that the spirit of the thread “Presidential” has been hijacked by tortured discussions about masks and vaccines. Can we designate a thread for those discussions or throw them into the Open Discussion thread so some of us who are fed up with vaccine discussions can have some relief and discussion on Presidential politics?
Have you replied the same way to all the other vaccine posters? Why pick on Stella? Way more posts about this than Stella’s.
Or maybe I have stumbled in to a rehearsal for ‘a street car named desire’?
Or maybe it is tryouts? So many people yelling Stella!
I was not picking on Stella if you correctly read my comment. I was making a suggestion regarding unclogging the Presidential thread of continuous debates on the “vaccine”, masks, etc. and stay focused on what is happening under Biden. Your reference to “A Street Car Named Desire” was totally ignorant! I specifically made this comment to Stella as she is one of the moderators – clearly a fact you are not aware of.
I think maybe all of us are just frustrated with the loss of freedom, and watching those around us accepting that loss like it is nothing. We all need a place to vent those concerns, and thankfully, we are still able to do it here without (mostly) repercussion. It will be a sad day if the Treehouse is lost to us Patriots trying to weather the storm.
It certainly pertains to the Biden Residency. I think it could turn out to be a massive issue.
There is an interesting narrative building up across the media of all stripes, President Trump vs Governor Desantis. Have seen it on all the screens, except OANN and NewsMax.
The angle from CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC is obvious…division and controversy.
Fox is milking the cow for ratings.
Let’s see how this develops. My suspicion, this is all coordinated between President Trump and Desantis.
“except OANN and NewsMax”
JMO, if a so-called news item has that characteristic, it falls under fake (no need to waste time on it) news.
Its purpose is to distract from the real news story of the strategy to cut the Gordian Knot of the fraudulent 2020 election which is where MAGAers are concentrating their efforts. Everything else is just chaff from the ‘gang that couldn’t cheat straight”.
Ah, a blast from the past. Remember in 2018 when Harvard professor Lawrence Lessig claimed Hillary Clinton could still become President if the Mueller
fraudinvestigation proved Pres Trump colluded with Russia? Good times, good times.Kash Patel is on Gutfeld tonight.
Gosh, Patel is really funny. Who knew?
Well here’s a fun one –
The Swamp Creatures are all the time pushing boycotts of Fox News.
So who is one of the advertisers on Gutfeld’s show tonight?
Facebook. Mark Suckabucks. Facebook, pushing Facebook’s groups feature.
Well alrighty then.
Trust none of them. Watch what they do. Described above is gaslighting, virtue signaling, indicative of the intent of the Murdochs.
Democrats love to kill.
Little humans in the womb.
Old people in nursing homes.
Black people in their neighborhoods.
Slaves on the plantation.
Brown foreigners on their own land.
Good people wanting life.
Democrats love to kill.