President Trump Meets with the Family of SPC Vanessa Guillen – Video and Transcript…

Earlier today President Trump met with the family of service member SPC Vanessa Guillen who was brutally murdered. President Trump promised to deliver justice for the 20 year-old who was found dismembered and burned after last being seen in a parking lot at Fort Hood, where she was stationed, on April 22.

A courageous & stunning conversation in the oval office [Video and Transcript Below]

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[Transcript] MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: (As interpreted.) Thank you for having us. Thanks you for receiving us.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much.

MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: (As interpreted.) It’s an honor to be here.

(Speaks in Spanish.)

INTERPRETER ON BEHALF OF MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: She wants your help to bring justice for what happened to her daughter and (inaudible) for her daughter. She wants to know who’s really responsible and who was responsible for what happened to her daughter and why didn’t people act on it.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

INTERPRETER ON BEHALF OF MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: And her daughter died. Her daughter died in service of the country from the hand of people who are in the military. She just wants your help to get at the truth, to get at justice — the truth. And this is from her heart, and she knows it’s of your heart.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I saw this on one of the shows recently, and I was just looking, and it hit me very hard. I saw what happened to your daughter, Vanessa, who was a spectacular person, and respected and loved by everybody, including in the military. And I invited you to the White House.

As you know, the FBI and the DOJ are now involved. We got them involved. And the people at Ford Hood, where it took place, are very much involved. We didn’t want to have this swept under the rug, which could happen.

And so I’d like you maybe, just if you’d like for the media, to explain exactly what happened as we all understand it, but they don’t perhaps.

MS. KHAWAM: So, President Trump, first of all, thank you very much for hosting this family. It’s a beautiful family that I represent. I’m Attorney Natalie Khawam. I’m going this case pro bono because I believe in it, and I believe in our military and I believe in justice.

THE PRESIDENT: Good.

MS. KHAWAM: And like you, you love the military, you love our veterans, and you have proven that today by just bringing us into your home to begin with.

Secondly, we have formed together to figure out what happened and how it happened. And just to give background, Vanessa was having issues internally with some of the sergeants and such hitting on her, sexually harassing her. We don’t know how far it went because a lot of women don’t always speak up. They just are afraid.

THE PRESIDENT: Other people other than the one in question, right?

MS. KHAWAM: Correct. And it’s a systemic problem there. You know, you have young kids — boys, girls — 18, 20, 21. But there isn’t enough protections in place because they get nervous about retaliation.

And I learned — I knew about the problem, but I didn’t know how severe it was. Like I said, I thought I was picking a scab, and here I saw it is septic. It’s terrible. The hashtag #IAmVanessaGuillen, if you go to that, you will read all these stories of these young women that serve our country, how broken they are; like, when they report it, what happens in the chain of command. And then they get retaliated against, and they got to clean toilets and stuff like that.

So I understand why Vanessa wouldn’t want to go report it — formally report it. So she did tell her family. She told her friends. She told some of the soldiers with her how they were — this guy — especially guy Aaron.

THE PRESIDENT: In particular him, right? In particular.

MS. KHAWAM: Aaron Robinson. Yeah, that’s correct.

THE PRESIDENT: Others also?

MS. KHAWAM: That’s correct. So I understand that she was in a locker room, the girls’ locker room, taking a shower, and he walked in and sat there and stared at her showering — like, just creepy.

And, unfortunately, we believe that she was going to report him because he was with her in the room that day. Her day off, they asked her to come in. It makes no sense, right? We’re not getting all the answers, by the way.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

MS. KHAWAM: And he supposedly took a hammer and killed her in the room, bludgeoned her to death. He’d go into this room — the room is probably, like, a quarter of the size of this room. And it’s open, so people can hear and see things. So how no one heard her screaming, how no one saw the blood, those are, like, questions we still have.

But when he did that to her, he carried her body out and he buried it in the river nearby. He used a machete.

THE PRESIDENT: And nobody saw this? Nobody saw it?

MS. KHAWAM: Nobody saw this. Right.

And he used a machete to cut her up with his girlfriend, and he tried to burn her body, went and — burn. I mean, this — the horribleness. I said it reminded me of, like, ISIS, what they do to our soldiers.

THE PRESIDENT: Yeah. Yeah. That’s right.

MS. KHAWAM: And we — when I heard about this story, you know, they contacted me and said, “Can you help us?” And I said, “Absolutely, can I help you.” You know, these are immigrants. You know, my family is immigrants. You know, you come to this country, you want to serve it, you want to do the best you can. And I didn’t want them getting railroaded.

I know that the — it’s hard to navigate through the military. I know it’s hard to navigate through Congress. And I knew that we needed to do something. We needed a congressional investigation because there’s so many “how does that happen?”, “how did this happen?” A lot of cover-ups.

When I tried to work with CID, I said, “What subpoenas have you issued? Because I’ll issue some subpoenas with you, like, to help you out,” like — so, you know. They wouldn’t tell me what subpoenas they issued. They wouldn’t tell me anything.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

MS. KHAWAM: So I found that it was very difficult to communicate. There was no transparency.

So what we can do collectively is — to get justice for Vanessa is we need reform. We need a bill. And, you know, I drafted a bill that — #IAmVanessaGuillen. Markwayne Mullin from Oklahoma —

THE PRESIDENT: Right. Good guy.

MS. KHAWAM: Great guy. Love him. He intro- — well, he — it’s right now leg counsel. But what it does is it says, “The way we have the EEOC, which is the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, how someone can report something — go to the EEOC — we’re looking for something that’s going to allow our military, our soldiers to have the same rights and protections so, that way, they’re not going to their chain of command or internally.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

MS. KHAWAM: What they’re doing is they’re going outside the command and reporting something. So suppose this kind of situation would have been in place, if we had this kind of bill in place, Vanessa could have reported this and they would have said, “Wait a second, this guy, Aaron Robinson, has a few of these problems. Like, look at this guy’s…” —

THE PRESIDENT: So did she report anything at all?

MS. KHAWAM: She reported it to her family and friends and some of the soldiers. She didn’t do a formal report.

THE PRESIDENT: Not to the fort, not to the people.

MS. KHAWAM: Right. Not to the command, her bosses, who are also above her, who she’s saying that were sexually harassing her.

So it’s hard to go to the boss that’s giving you problems, to report him. You know, it’s like the fox over the henhouse.

THE PRESIDENT: Yeah. (Inaudible.) Well, I want to thank you. It’s a great explanation.

Would you like to say something? Please.

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: I respect our military; that not all people are bad. But the way they treat Vanessa, they treated us. No transparency, no respect. They did not respect our pleading. They did not respect our pleading of my mother. And they did not respect my sister. Because I believe that the hashtag #IAmVanessaGuillen — and we have a whole nation behind us — that the hashtag #IAmVanessaGuillen would help our man and woman in the armed forces, because they are ones putting their life at risk.

They say, “Protect our protectors.” They deserve to be respected, to be heard, and to be honored, just like Vanessa. Because it’s — it’s a disgrace that when you get sexually harassed, you have to report it on to your line of command, but 80 percent of the time, the line of command is actually sexually harassing you, so you wouldn’t have the confidence nor the trust to report it. That’s why Vanessa did not report it, because she was afraid of retaliation or afraid of judgment because she was ashamed of herself, even though the shame was the aggressor.

And we need a change, and we need a positive change because our troops need to feel safe and need to feel respected because they’re the ones putting their life at risk. But yet, my sister was truly, deeply in love. She said, “If I have to go station in Iraq, if I have to go to combat, I’ll die proudly because I’m a patriot and I’m serving the country. I am protecting my own family…” —

THE PRESIDENT: She was in love with the country is what you’re saying.

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: — “…I was serving my family. I was protecting my family.” But yet, she died on base. How can this happen on a military base, where you think everything is safe, but yet the soldiers are not safe?

So we need a congressional investigation because it’s impossible that no one saw, no one heard anything. Yet, there are people — my sister was not supposed to go to work, yet someone sent her to work. So if it was a day off, where were all the soldiers? It’s — it’s a humongous base.

Someone had to hear, someone had to saw what was going on in that arms room, and we want to find the truth because the truth will come out. And —

THE PRESIDENT: And now, as you know, the DOJ and the FBI are there and they’re doing a very strong investigation, as is the Army. So they’re doing a very strong investigation, as you know. We just started that. It’s an incredible story. It’s a terrible story.

Would you like to say something?

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: Sure. First, I want to thank you for taking the time, taking us in. It’s an honor to be able to meet you, and I know you’re going to help us. And, you know, honoring our sister, passing the bill. And, of course, I want to point out how is it that her chain of command failed drastically.

It’s — you know, the first day I arrived, I was received by Robinson himself and a couple of other males. And I felt that they were trying —

THE PRESIDENT: Oh, really? Wow.

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: — to intimidate me, but they — they didn’t get it, and that’s why we’re here today.

THE PRESIDENT: So he took his life when? When after this horrible event? When did he take his life? When was it?

MS. KHAWAM: Probably 17 days —

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: Right before they were about to arrest him.

THE PRESIDENT: Oh, I see. So that was — oh, I see. So they found out, et cetera.

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: He was under watch, and he just went off, and they —

THE PRESIDENT: Did they know right away? Did you know right away? Did everybody know it was him?

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: I felt it.

MS. KHAWAM: She knew right away.

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: She felt —

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: The day I went, I felt it.

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: But, I mean, he was a truly coward if he killed himself. He couldn’t attempt the consequences. I mean, think over your actions before you do something. But he was a true coward. But I want her leadership to be questioned.

THE PRESIDENT: So we’re going to look into it very powerfully, and we already have started, as you know. And we’ll get to the bottom of it, and maybe things can come out that will help other people in a situation like Vanessa. We’ll be — we’ll be in touch with you constantly. We’ll be in touch with you too.

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: Thank you

THE PRESIDENT: Natalie, thank you very much. That was great.

MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: (Speaks in Spanish.)

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, please.

MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: (Speaks in Spanish.)

INTERPRETER ON BEHALF OF GLORIA GUILLÉN: Her daughter’s story is the story of the whole nation. It’s (inaudible.)

MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: (Speaks in Spanish.)

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: She just said that my sister Vanessa Guillén, she’s making history, whole nation, almost international, and she wants you to be a part of it because we hope to have your support. And she said my sister, she had her whole life ahead of her, and her life was taken away in the most disgusting way anyone could take a human’s life. She wanted to be a mother.

THE PRESIDENT: That’s true.

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: And everyone has a family, so everyone could feel the small pain. And she’s — she just dreams of her and how she wants to save children. But everyone has heart, so we expect people’s compassion, we expect people to help us, and we hope to have your support in this bill.

MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: (Speaks in Spanish.)

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: You will be making history within Vanessa, because we need a change, and the change is now. And we need something positive so the soldiers feel safe to be recruited, feel safe while serving their nation, feel honored to serve their nation, but to feel respected and safe, and that’s how the bill will help them. Because not only women — it’s also men. I have heard many stories. And hopefully we have your support.

MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: (Speaks in Spanish.)

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: Because this bill will mark a whole lifetime, and that you will be in it, and you will be making history within Vanessa, and people will be so thankful and blessed for having your support.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, you have our support, and we’re working on it already, as you know, and we won’t stop. And hopefully something very positive will come out in honor of your sister. Okay? And your daughter.

MR. GUILLÉN: Thank you.

THE PRESIDENT: We will — yes. Absolutely.

MS. KHAWAM: And, you know, President Trump, the saddest part of this all is her funeral is around the corner. And she won’t — they won’t have her body in the casket. Sometimes people need closure when they see someone’s face or body in a casket, and there’s no body. I mean, that’s what’s — it’s horrific.

THE PRESIDENT: When you say “around the corner,” you mean there is — there has not been a funeral yet?

MS. KHAWAM: No, not yet.

THE PRESIDENT: How come?

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: We’re planning on it. We’re planning to have —

MS. KHAWAM: Did you get any of the (inaudible)?

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: I was in touch with the Texas Rangers and FBI, and they told me that because the investigation was still open, they would call me as soon as I would be able to receive.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, they have to do that. I mean, it’s —

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: Right. And I feel like we should be able to —

THE PRESIDENT: That’s no good. We got to take care of that.

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: Right. If you could — thank you

THE PRESIDENT: You mean, you — you haven’t had a funeral? Because this is quite a while now.

MS. KHAWAM: Yeah.

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: Right.

THE PRESIDENT: Because I even saw it quite a while ago.

MS. KHAWAM: Correct.

THE PRESIDENT: And — because you don’t have the body yet?

MS. KHAWAM: No remains.

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: No. That’s all we’re —

THE PRESIDENT: But they have the body.

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: Yes.

MS. KHAWAM: The remains.

THE PRESIDENT: Okay.

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: That’s just a disgrace. And how can someone be capable of doing that? It’s just —

THE PRESIDENT: No, it’s a terrible thing. When would you like to have the funeral? When?

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: As soon as possible.

THE PRESIDENT: As soon as possible. I agree. As soon as possible with the funeral. We’ll make sure — we’ll make sure that happens. Okay, please?

Where will you have the funeral? Do you know?

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: Houston.

THE PRESIDENT: In Houston?

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT: And if I can help you out with the funeral, I’ll help — I’ll help you with that.

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: Thank you.

THE PRESIDENT: I’ll help you out. Financially, I’ll help you.

MS. KHAWAM: I think the military will be paying — taking care of it.

THE PRESIDENT: Good. They’ll do a military. That’s good. If you need help, I’ll help you out.

MS. KHAWAM: Thank you, President.

THE PRESIDENT: Okay? If they need something, I’ll — we’ll take care — we’ll make sure she is very respected.

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: Thank you.

THE PRESIDENT: Because I — I’ve seen statements about her from other people, as you know, and you don’t get better statements about a person. I see many statements about many people; I don’t see statements like that. So she was very extraordinary. And thank you, Natalie. Very good job. You’re doing good. So we’ll coordinate.

John, do you have any questions of the family, please? We’re going to keep this to Vanessa, right now, if we could.

Q I’m just wondering — Mr. President, you’ve got the FBI, the DOJ, the DOD involved. The family is asking for legislation in the military, similar to the EEOC in civilian life. What can you, as President, do to try to push that process forward?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, we’re doing that right now and we’re working, and actually, we’ve been working on it since I heard about it originally. And we’re going to see if we can do something, representing the family, but also helping other people that are in the same position because they’re — this is not — you know, probably, sadly, it’s probably not that unique. There are other people in trouble too.

MS. KHAWAM: That’s right.

THE PRESIDENT: So we’re going to look into that very strongly, John.

Q Is there a — is there a culture in the military that you’re worried about? Or what needs to happen here?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, it would seem to me — what would you think about that? Is there a culture? Is this a culture in the military?

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: Sexually harassing a person shouldn’t be daily. Murdering a person on a military base shouldn’t be monthly. Like, all those bodies found in Ft. Hood. It needs to change, and the change is now. There needs to be transparency, and for the truth to come out — what is happening on Ft. Hood — and to have an investigation because, I mean, it’s impossible that no one saw, no one heard Vanessa, that saw Vanessa. It’s impossible.

THE PRESIDENT: Certainly unusual. This was, Steve, a very horrific situation. Well, I don’t know if you — if you read about it or saw it, but it impacted me. I saw it and it was terrible. And so we’re going to get to the bottom of it. And how could it have happened where nobody knew about it at all?

MS. KHAWAM: Right.

THE PRESIDENT: They must have known.

MS. KHAWAM: I think there was a lot of cover-ups. Like, for example, that guy, Aaron Robinson — I don’t really want to call him a “guy” — an animal. I think that what happened, what transpired, with so many eyes and ears there, I really feel like they don’t want to think it was him. It was like confirmatory bias. They wanted to keep looking the other way. And it just — not sure why they were protecting him.

THE PRESIDENT: But they — remember, they ultimately got him, and that’s when he — he committed suicide, I guess. But they ultimately got him, so that was — frankly, somebody did that. Who did that? Who was — who was in charge? They didn’t let him get away with it, is what I’m saying. And they probably wouldn’t have.

MS. KHAWAM: So, they issued a BOLO, which is “be on the lookout” for him, and he escaped somehow, on foot. And I’m not sure if they gave him a hint, because how did they let the one guard who was watching him, how did he miss him? And a second guard as much, then guards out front watching him. Did they tell him? Did they let him in?

Because when they tried to issue — you know, to detain him, for some reason, the senior attorney at the base would not allow for them to do a — for them to — a subpoena. They basically couldn’t detain him because they say there was not enough facts and evidence, even though they had him — believe it or not, they pinged his phone or something, and they knew he was at that river from one to four in the morning. Who goes fishing at one in the morning?

So there was a lot of, like, why would they — why would they keep on turning a blind eye?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, look, the good thing is that he’s gone —

MS. KHAWAM: Right. He’s a goner. Right.

THE PRESIDENT: — okay? As far as I’m concerned. The good thing: He’s gone. Now we’re going to go in to see what happened. Also, can we have this go on to other people to help other people —

MS. KHAWAM: Yes.

THE PRESIDENT: — like your sister. Right?

Q Last year, a soldier named Gregory Wedel-Morales disappeared from Fort Hood. It was believed by the military that he had gone AWOL. They didn’t launch an investigation into his whereabouts. His remains were found not far from where Vanessa Guillén’s remains were found, and in about the same time period. Is there a problem with the culture at that particular base, do you think, that is allowing this to happen?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, let me ask you, do you know about that —

MS. KHAWAM: Yes.

THE PRESIDENT: — particular case?

MS. KHAWAM: Yes.

THE PRESIDENT: What’s — what — what about that case?

MS. KHAWAM: So they found his remains while they were looking for Vanessa’s.

THE PRESIDENT: No kidding.

MS. KHAWAM: Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT: Wow.

MS. KHAWAM: So he starts — starts becoming suspect. And so, unfortunately, you know, the family did not get any information or (inaudible) —

THE PRESIDENT: But are they putting that together? Because it’s —

MS. KHAWAM: Now — well, now it looks — it all looks —

THE PRESIDENT: With the same guy. He was there and then they find the other remains?

MS. KHAWAM: So, you know, we’ll find out. Hopefully, with the FBI — thanks for asking them to join this case and the DOJ. Hopefully, they’ll see whether there’s any kind of connection.

THE PRESIDENT: That’s a good question, John.

Q We interviewed the mother a couple of weeks back.

THE PRESIDENT: It’s an interesting question. That you’d even know that is very interesting. It’s impressive, actually.

Q Mr. President —

THE PRESIDENT: Yeah?

Q Mr. President, you offered to help pay some of the funeral costs.

THE PRESIDENT: Yeah.

Q Have you offered to do that for other families before?

THE PRESIDENT: I have. I have.

Q Have you — and you’ve actually —

THE PRESIDENT: Personally. I have to do it personally. I can’t do it through government.

Q So you’ve written checks to help for other families before this?

THE PRESIDENT: I have. I have, because some families need help. They need help.

I don’t even know if you need help. Maybe you don’t need help, from a financial standpoint. I have no idea what — I just think it’s a horrific thing that happened. And if you did need help, I’m going to — I’ll be there to help you.

Are you using the military for the funeral though? Or is it — is it going to be —

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: We actually declined because my mom didn’t want a military casket and stuff like that. Vanessa is very unique, so we wanted something unique for her. So far, a lot of people have been helping us, but it has been a rough three months.

THE PRESIDENT: Okay, well, you let us know.

MS. KHAWAM: Thank you.

THE PRESIDENT: Okay? You let us know. That’s fine.

MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: (Speaks in Spanish.)

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: “It’s very painful,” is what she just said.

THE PRESIDENT: Yeah, there is a lot of pain here. This is just a horrible thing.

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: Another horrible thing just happened.

THE PRESIDENT: What — what did your mother say?

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: That CID is not a — you cannot have confidence in them because they lied to us the first day, seeing my mom in pain. But yet, there’s another story that CID tried to just throw it under the rug. There was a baby that was murdered, and they threw him. It’s just hard to say. An innocent life — a child — was thrown from the bedroom, all the way from the top of the building to the floor. And it happened on a military base. And an innocent child died. Why? Why is that happening? They have to be investigated.

THE PRESIDENT: So was this at Fort Hood also?

MS. MAYRA GUILLÉN: I believe Fort Hood, yes.

MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: (Speaks in Spanish.)

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: Like, this particular person, he is stationed on Fort Hood. He told my mother, because this is a pure example: He was — he’s afraid to speak up. He’s afraid to tell others because they feel that they’re going to endanger his own family. He’s going to be — he’s going to be in danger every day because — why are they afraid to speak up? Why?

THE PRESIDENT: We’re going to find out. Right?

MS. KHAWAM: Yeah. And I would love to work with whoever —

THE PRESIDENT: We’re going to find out.

MS. KHAWAM: — it is, because I know all the stories and I know what’s happening.

THE PRESIDENT: We’ll look at that too.

MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: (Speaks in Spanish.)

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: She wants justice for Vanessa Guillén and for all those soldiers that have been found dead and being killed on a military base, and for those soldiers have been sexually harassed and don’t have the opportunity to go and have confidence to report their sexual harassment.

Because a pure example that people are too afraid to report their sexual harassment and sexual assault, and it goes far to rape, is — and a pure example you can find articles: 2015 prostitution ring was led by a sergeant on Fort Hood, but yet, that same sergeant was leading the SHARP classes, which — that same SHARP classes are supposed to prevent sexual harassment to happen throughout higher-rank soldiers, sergeants. But yet, how is that possible that someone is trying to protect soldiers from sexual harassment and rape and abuse and assault, but yet you’re conducting a prostitution ring?

So the #IAmVanessaGuillen bill would have our man and woman have the confidence —

THE PRESIDENT: Yeah.

MS. GUADALUPE GUILLÉN: — into reporting the sexual harassment.

THE PRESIDENT: So we’ll look into that too, Natalie. Okay?

MS. KHAWAM: Thank you, President.

THE PRESIDENT: We’re going to look into that.

I want to thank you all for being here. It’s a lot of courage actually. It takes a lot of courage. And your daughter is very respected. And she’s respected by me, and you’re in the Oval Office. Your daughter would be very proud of you right now. She’s looking down. She’ll be very proud of you. So — and your sister. So we will get to the bottom of a lot of this, and maybe all of it. Okay?

MS. KHAWAM: Thank you so much, President.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much.

MR. GUILLÉN: Thank you.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. Thank you.

MRS. GLORIA GUILLÉN: (As interpreted.) Justice for Vanessa.

THE PRESIDENT: Justice. Yep. Absolutely. For Vanessa. Thank you. Thank you very much.

END 1:47 P.M. EDT

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254 Responses to President Trump Meets with the Family of SPC Vanessa Guillen – Video and Transcript…

  1. bruzedorange says:

    I wonder if there have ever been studies done tracking male soldiers’ testosterone from before boot camp through the first two years, including a combat deployment?

    Or… how guys who are trained for but never see combat compare to those who are combat deployed? Yes, I’m wondering how many ways our modern military is creating or exacerbating its own problems.

    But NONE of that touches on why any enlisted man isn’t protecting rather than preying on his fellow soldier/marine/shipmate!

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    • Jimmy Jack says:

      I’m sorry but this is a wacky, unhealthy and anti male idea. Are you suggesting our standing military shouldn’t be combat ready at all times? Because that’s what you’re suggesting. Young men are supposed to have high testosterone levels because it is physically protective for them and plays a role in combat readiness.

      Low testosterone is linked to various diseases and illnesses including early onset Alzheimer’s and various autoimmune disorders.

      By your logic should we be trying to decrease the estrogen levels of young women in the military to keep them more compliant? See how ridiculous that sounds?

      This comment reeks of the kind of left wing anti male nonsense we are drowning in throughout the Western worked with the exclusion of Eastern Europe.

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      • Jimmy Jack says:

        This was one of I think 8 murders of Fort Hood soldiers in 2020 alone. This is a tragedy but seems to me part of a larger problem without our military ranks, at least on Fort Hood.

        One solider killed there recently, after this young woman I believe, had a commonly Muslim name but looked more Asian. I don’t know what his background was but I do know he’d been stationed previously at a base in Pensacola. Yes, the same base the Saudi Arabians train at where we saw those recent murders. Clearly there are ratlines being run out of the bases in Pensacola, likely via Saudi military training there. What is the connection between the soldiers and events (over time) at Pensacola and Fort Hiod?

        Fort Hood is the same installation that Colonel Hassan went on his rampage on. What is really going on there? We’d be foolish not to look into this pattern more closely.

        And what if any connection is there between bioweapons at Fort Detrich and Fort Hood? This has been brought up but researchers like George Webb and his team. Col. Hassan was a doctor. Are some of these seemingly random murders connected? Is there a chance some people have seen things that need to be silenced?

        This isn’t crazy to question. It’s crazy not to question. We keep seeing these same installations over and over again and it’s not just because of the size of Fort Hood or how much of a crime ridden s’hole Killeen has become.

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        • Jimmy Jack says:

          Three murdered in one month alone.

          We owe it to our service members to study these deaths the same way we would if they’d been attacked on a base in Iraq or Afghanistan.

          https://www.foxnews.com/us/fort-hood-soldier-dead-third-body-mejhor-morta-army-texas

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        • bearsgrrr says:

          This. It has nothing to do with EEOC or sexual harassment. A psychotic individual, MS13, or islam related so no amount of EEO laws is going to stop killers from killing. There was plenty of protection from sexual harassment when I was in the army, which was a while ago. I’m sure there is plenty more now.

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        • Esperanza says:

          Watching this I was reminded of a similar thing happening at a French base late 70s 80s. At that time we still had the draft, so lots of very young men on the base. They started going missing. It was pooh poohed, today Twitter would be banning people talking about it. Turned out there was a serial killer on the base. He also committed suicide when found out as I recall.

          The newspapers were very good on that one, they kept at it until public opinion forced a proper investigation.

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      • YvonneMarie says:

        It looks like ISIS.

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      • Jimmy Jack, here’s my like and I love your common sense analogy 🙂

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      • KBR says:

        JimmyJack
        I agree.

        Some of the comments here sound like implications that every young man with normal, or even high testosterone, has no control over his actions whatsoever, and thus is not really to blame if he rapes women because he MUST HAVE sexual gratification.

        NO, I say, he MUST have MORALS! It is a much greater need.

        If this type of comment…that men with testosterone cannot help what they do around women… were true, then every man would be, or would have been, a rapist at some point in his life. And this is contrary to TRUTH.

        The opposite untruth is that young women have no real need for sexual gratification. The truth is that for most women tenderness, lovingness is naturally part of their sexual need. For most women, perhaps from an earlier age than young men, sexual gratification will include tenderness, lovingness as a need iINHERENT in sexual gratification.

        Part of the so called sex revolution tried to negate loving tenderness in sex right along with MORAL values. Women had to convince themselves that sex and tenderness had nothing to do with each other (in effect thinking like a prostitute must think) to be “liberated” and “cool.” Liberating themselves from love, from tenderness and becoming not “cool” but cold, not just toward men, but toward themselves and their own nature, as well.

        Immature men/boys loved it: “sex with no strings (love/tenderness) attached: just the same thing I like and want!” (Includes many men who never reach maturity, never discover that true gratification includes a love bond, never bond/want to bond.)

        More mature men who knew the difference between sex with love/bond and sex without, and that the former is hands down the best, thought it was trashy. They were right.

        There are and have always been men who are trashy and women who are trashy. The immoral, the ones who find sinfulness exciting and morality dull. The ones who remained so immature that they believed all their lives that, from the same batch of cookies, a cookie stolen tasted better than the one they were allowed to have. The devil’s playground is their souls. That thrill is the devil’s call.

        These are the men that, when sex with women with “no strings/no commitments/no love” became part of the cultural norm, needed to add more sinfulness to get their “needs” met.

        These are the women that when “free” sex became “without cultural moral condemnation” had to look for more sinfulness.

        These people get their jollies from sin even more than from sex. Ever worse, Degrading Degenerates.

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      • Kay123 says:

        👍
        Thank you! Jimmy…

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      • bruzedorange says:

        “Seek first to understand, then to be understood.”
        Is the cause of truth any better served by knee-jerk conservatism than by knee-jerk progressivism?

        What I wrote was, “I wonder…”
        A good way to extend that into a conversation, especially if you, too, “wonder” what point I might be insinuating, would be to simply ask. If I’ve been unclear, illogical, or inarticulate, I own that, and you asking for clarification would help me improve.

        But whatever “suggestions” you saw were supplied long after my fingers left the keyboard. You’ll have to own that.
        —-
        Now if the results of those studies showed that elevated testosterone is one of the effects (and hopefully goals) of military training, then–THEN–my suggestion would be to end this biologically illogical, inane, destructive, social experiment of mixing genders in field units, and to focus on putting each military member into a position which best serves the total effort.

        This military-political social experiment is the personnel equivalent of mixing C-Stoff and T-Stoff… and to the same end.

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    • Mario Flores says:

      You do realize the first part of basic training is called “indoctrination”. They systematically program you to be a soldier and there is a difference between how combat units and support units go about it. That said you are taught values and to always conduct yourself honorably. Though, It is easier for support units to lack discipline. It is also more likely for support units to accept and tolerate less qualified individuals both physically and behaviorally.

      This murder was allowed to happen because of political correctness. A support unit that failed to act and hold an dishonerable and behaviorally unfit individual accountable because he was African American. PC kills.

      This case has the potential to destroy all the allegations made by BLM. The claims of well behaved AA targeted for execution by LEOs. It highlights their pattern of victimizing other groups and how it is excused and ignored due to PC.

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      • Mario Flores, I’m going to have to agree with you about political correctness. My husband was First Cav and retired from Ft. Hood nearly 30 years ago. His first comment when the news first reported Vanessa had been murdered was “What has happened to Ft Hood? That would never have been tolerated “.

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        • dayallaxeded says:

          Ft. Hood has been a cesspool for at least 20 years, per a friend who served at posts around the world including Pentagon. Nothing like what it was when it was 1stCav hq through VN. The malaise of the late 70s along with Carters destruction changed the character of many posts and units. PC social experimentation has made everything dramatically worse.

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          • dayallaxeded, you just broke my husband’s heart. He says he always thought there was honor and you always watched everyone’s six. He did not know it has gotten so bad.Yes, pc has been the devastation of lots of things. When you have to lower test scores and qualifications the you get much less qualified personnel. Such a shame.

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    • bruzedorange, This is NOT the typical military personnel. Just like there are bad people in ANY profession. If there was a way to look at a person and know that they were or would be a violent criminal then would be taken away from the general population. The military training does NOT make people dangerous criminals. Military training is hard and strenuous and it also teaches your to be moral and an all around good person. But there are people everywhere that no training can cure.

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  2. lolli says:

    FTA:

    “Fort Hood said that Robinson was not in Guillen’s chain of command. Robinson was not involved in the sexual harassment allegations, they said.”

    (This was July 2. Confirms the family’s story that they were not being told the truth, IMO)

    https://www.kxxv.com/hometown/fort-hood/fort-hood-says-they-have-found-no-connection-with-sexual-harassment-and-guillens-disappearance

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  3. Caius Lowell says:

    Pretty sad that we now have to have a national conversation, thanks to 0bama and Hillary’s commie Democrats, on why crime is bad. Tom Wolfe was correct — this process will be called “The Great Relearning” is anything as prosaic as remedial education can be called “great”: https://www.scribd.com/document/374245172/the-great-relearning-tom-wolfe-the-american-spectator

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  4. spogels says:

    If anything this proves to me that women should NOT be on the same base as men as there are animals among these men.

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  5. jumpinjarhead says:

    This incident is horrific and having served a very long time in the military I can say horrific murders and other violent crimes have happened throughout the military throughout our history. The difference is in the increasing frequency and brutality.

    Far too many civilians simply do not understand our military today. This is not surprising given the minuscule percentage of our population who actually serve now and the ever decreasing number of Americans who did serve, especially now that the last draft era veterans, we Vietnam veterans are reaching old age and sadly now dying off at a rapid rate, exacerbated by Agent Orange illnesses.

    This misunderstanding, or more accurately I suppose, total lack of even any awareness, much less even actual knowledge of any actual details of service life, is a function of several unfortunate dynamics. First of course is the “all volunteer force” that is a curse for the most part but of course a blessing to all those Americans who find innumerable excuses why not to serve.

    It is a curse for a Constitutional Republic originally grounded in individual and civic “virtue” that included a vital aspect of an obligation of each citizen (regarded positively rather than grudgingly) to “serve” the nation in some real and meaningful way—not necessarily in the military but certainly that was one obvious and important way. Especially over the period since the end of the draft, that not coincidentally occurred about the same time our spiritual, moral, ideological and political enemies commenced their largely successful war to shift America from its Judeo-Christian moral foundations (with its “virtue” our Founders said repeatedly was the key to the nation’s survival) to the atheistic, self-absorbed and (literally) “fat, dumb and ‘happy’ cesspool is a “culture” in which we now wallow, we have grown increasingly estranged as a people from our military.

    This is reflected in the ever-decreasing concern Americans show about traditional days of remembrance and honor such as Memorial, Veterans and Armed Forces Days that older Treepers may recall were typified by parades and other appropriate activities that often rivaled the 4th of July in interest and energy. It is a somber testament to where we are today if one merely surveys how few parades and celebrations are now even “bothered with.”

    Along with this is a corresponding and unsurprising near total ignorance of what our military actually does on a day-to-day basis and, even more ominously, what is has “become” in the sense of its organizational ethos and “ethics.”

    This ignorance of most Americans is exacerbated by active disinterest of the vast majority of Americans in virtually every facet of our “post modern” military that has created a vacuum of sorts, eagerly and very effectively filled by our enemies.

    While the degradation of our military’s moral underpinnings has, just as with all other aspects and institutions of our nation, been ongoing as part of this 60+ year cultural war, it has dramatically accelerated in the last 30 years since Clinton, and especially since Obama.

    Indeed, our military may well be one of the most “woke” of our institutions now with a literal “war on Christianity” that is intended to eliminate any opposition to the disgusting policies started by Obama and continued with zeal by our swamp-dwelling military leadership (uniformed and civilian) even under Trump. Homosexuals are actively recruited and every “milestone” like the “first homosexual general” is trumpeted by the DoD public affairs people. Homosexual flags are flown at military installations and “homosexual pride month” is festively celebrated throughout DoD with all of its myriad publications having covers and articles dedicated to such perversion. Transsexuals are also recruited and all of these perversions enjoy special status in our “new model” military.

    In terms of the disgusting violence represented by this post, one must remember that the “military” is but a reflection of the society from which it comes and for which it serves. As such, the “lack of morality” and “wokeness” we see reflected throughout our sick society is naturally going to be represented in the ranks of the military.

    It is also a result of the growing divide between Americans and their military that so many civilians, and even many veterans, have a totally unrealistic assumption that our military of today is “just like” preceding generations in terms of patriotism and motivation to serve. As DoD studies show, today’s recruit is not primarily motivated by some sense of patriotism and desire to serve America but rather by very self-centered motives such as getting education both in and after service, getting out of bad family or socio/economic conditions etc. This again should not be at all surprising if one honestly assesses our post-modern “culture” generally.

    Finally, Americans also do not consider the demographic aspects that contribute to violent crime in the military. The prevailing demographic not surprisingly is the 18-24 y/o, more often than not from social settings where violence is prevalent as a means of “conflict resolution.” Combat requires youth and personality types that do not shrink from violence. This group is also heavily male, with the accompanying influence of testosterone that, regardless of our society’s efforts to ignore such things, is vital to war fighting as has been proven throughout the history of humankind. Metrosexuals simply do not make effective warriors.

    All of these factors create a “perfect storm” that can give rise to violent crime. This is especially true, as shown in this tragic case, where our woke social engineers continue to ignore immutable biological truths about the interactions between male and female. In their efforts to mollify the PC crowd, these civilian and military social engineers have defied these biological truths and mixed males and females in the military assuming that natural biological forces are just not present anymore in our work society.

    This dangerous and wrong assumption, when coupled with the demographic factors identified above make violent crime, springing from “romantic” (or more accurately sexual) involvements quite predictable.

    Finally, to those posters who are so incredulous that the military has these issues (“how could the military let such people in”etc.) again reflects their ignorance of what the reality is. There are no extensive psychological tests (assuming they are that effective in our sick culture anyway) given to all military recruits. Such tests are usually focused on specific occupational fields in the military. The problem is the military is wholly flawed from a moral standpoint and in that regard is no better than the broader society that provides the manpower in the first place. Unless and until the military regains it’s moral and rational (e.g., recognizing the errors in trying to ignore the most basic of differences between male and female, physically and emotionally and the strongest of human drives—sex) compass, things will not get better.

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    • sturmudgeon says:

      jumpin… This is a great, and thoughtful post! Thank you for both your service, and your analysis.

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    • Nan says:

      First off, thank you for your service. Vietnam was awful.

      But as more recent vet, I think you’re completely off base with your evaluation of where the military is. Yes, SJW nonsense is being pushed down at every turn, yes, the Army had a serious problem with gang members joining up (although I think this has let up since the OEF surges), and yes, many people join up for reasons other than patriotism. Those factors are not usually a problem in day to day operations, or overseas.

      Besides, judging people for signing up for education benefits is pretty awful. And it’s insulting to claim that high profile attempts to kill Christianity in the service (from people like Harvey Weinstein), are either widely embraced or widely effective.

      The biggest issue, from what I’ve seen, is the hollowing out of the officer corps. This started under Obama. Personnel drawdowns, combined with crushing, stupid deployment tempos, have basically eliminated all of the downtime that used to be built into the services. Even in the late nineties, there was time for commanders to have informal mentoring sessions with young officers, for a unit to play a game of baseball in the afternoon, for sergeants to really work with their guys. Now, there is too much mission and too few people; officers are stretched to the breaking point. A lot of the good ones got out under Obama. And one bad officer can destroy an entire company or squadron. I’ve watched it happen.

      There has been a culture shift, and that’s a huge issue. Every “soft” personnel issue, from sexual harassment to suicide prevention to how to get along with others in your barracks, has to be codified and programmed and written down and measured. It’s taking the humanity out of those things in the military that desperately need to remain human.

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      • jumpinjarhead says:

        We will politely agree to disagree as I have done contract work with our military continuously since I retired and have a very good working knowledge of what the reality is.

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        • Nan says:

          Fair enough. I have had plenty of people who signed up for benefits work out just fine. Are they lifers? No. Is that okay? Yes.

          In fact, one of the major problems we have with retention in my career field (and others) is that the assumption is patriotism is enough. And I know that because I’ve dealt with both the decision makers and the lower ranks on it. Enough, perhaps, in the 80s, when the military’s culture hadn’t been gutted. Now? You have to offer benefits or the good people don’t stay. Why would you put up with endless BS when you can make more money, without your employer being up in your business, on the outside?

          I know this varies by career field, by base, and by service. But benefits are desperately needed. (The retirement system, on the other hand, definitely needs to be fixed.)

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          • jumpinjarhead says:

            All good points. I just hope our military can somehow find it way back to its moral foundations. If not, all the “benefits” in the world will not save it—IMHO of course.

            If I was a parent of a service-age young person today, just about the last thing I would wish for them, whether male or female, would be to enter the current “new model” military. That is a very hard thing for me to have to say.

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            • The Gaffer says:

              ‘jarhead, Just as you, I’ve seen the disastrous change take place over 30 years with the Navy and see no improvement in sight … at least until we suffer disastrous losses in the South China Sea. The lack of a CM for the academy grad that turned boats,,crews,,weapons,and comms gear to Iranians removed for me any doubt the service was broken.

              On another note, Given their family history with the CENTCOM scandal I was very surprised to see the lady in red in Trump’s White House.

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              • jumpinjarhead says:

                Thanks—we see things as they are and not as we certainly wish they were not.

                This is also relevant to the (IMHO quite false and as such dangerous) assumption many “patriots” (especially the Q folks if I understand their expectations correctly) that our military will at some point in the future “come over” en masse to the “side of the people” (whoever “they” are) in the event of an open “war” over the future direction (“survival?”) of the nation.

                Increasingly, I think our “new model” military will do no such thing (at least in any significant numbers. If at all). Thanks to the AVF, our military has grown increasingly isolated from the nation generally and more attuned to following orders from the DC swamp, especially as the influence of and membership in the swamp has increased among many in the officer corps (the Vindmans are a good example, as well as the many recently retired senior officers who have been very (and quite inappropriately from a tradition and possibly legal standpoint) bitterly “outspoken” against the current administration.

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    • jumpingjarhead:
      Thank you for sharing this magnificent post! I hope it is read with great interest by many!

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      • jumpinjarhead says:

        Thank you. It is telling, however, that even so many Treepers apparently still cling (understandably since Treepers are patriots and just do not want to have to think of our military as being anything other than that shown in old patriotic movies. It is sadly just not that way (generally speaking of course—there will always be exceptions) anymore, just as America overall is not the way it was in “better” times.

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    • elize says:

      Excellent points, esp…

      “In terms of the disgusting violence represented by this post, one must remember that the “military” is but a reflection of the society from which it comes and for which it serves. As such, the “lack of morality” and “wokeness” we see reflected throughout our sick society is naturally going to be represented in the ranks of the military.”

      I witnessed similar situations while working in the private sector and “Corp America.” I took my first IRS taxed job at age 15. It wasn’t until the late 90’s and later that I had to deal with it outside of my military experience. Fortunately, by that time, I’d worked full time while attending college, paying for my education myself. At that point I had more life experience and was a CFO, no longer a low ranking employee.

      The people that like to utilize their position or power over others to get side bennies are throughout our society. Given my position, I was able to stop it from happening in one of the companies I worked for. My employees trusted me and knew they could depend on me.

      The plus that you have in the private sector is that you can move on if management allows such behavior. In the military you’re often stuck dealing with it.

      Many of my friends are old time vets and we often discuss how much things have changed. I doubt any of us would enter the service in 2020 if we were young again.

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      • jumpinjarhead says:

        Having maintained a very close connection with the military through private contracting, contrary to the assumptions and accusations of some Treepers with contrary opinions often based on their erroneous assumptions I described in my original post who accuse me of being “out of touch,” I am very confident in the accuracy of my assessment.

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    • Jesus Schwarzkopf says:

      Well spoken, Sir. I was US Army, ’68-70. The draft was still in place, and so, I believe, that we had a cross section of society in service. There weren’t females, mixed in with the guys. The decisions that led to comingling of males and females was very stupid, as you’ve pointed out. Young men either went without sexual gratification, or masturbated, or obtained it in the old fashioned way: paying for it, or if capable, acquiring it through good looks, style, and charm.

      Unless Robinson is a patsy, set up to take a fall for the purpose of covering up something even MORE sinister (one never knows); unless Robinson is a patsy, this is a case of an apex predator individual who was never vetted, and prevented from entering the military. Of course, as an apex predator, he’d have left a trail of victims in the civilian world, no doubt!

      A complete, no holds barred investigation is needed, full bore, full speed ahead, and let the chips fall where they may! For the protection of female service members, males and females must be kept COMPLETELY apart, no exceptions!

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      • jumpinjarhead says:

        Great post. Of course this criminal could well have been a psychopath long before he entered the military. The broader point of course that the “moral” differences between the general American “culture” and the “culture” in the military are not nearly as great as they may have once been.

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    • maggie0987 says:

      The other thing which jumps out is the shoddy investigation which took place after Vanessa disappeared. I clicked on Lolli’s link to Bing and watched some of local TV reporting.
      The interaction with PDJT and the family I found very moving – he immediately offered to help with costs etc, from his own pocket.

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    • You make some very good points jumpinjarhead, excellent post.

      Every organization or community has powers that be that allow the “golden ones” to do pretty much what ever they want , up to a point.

      You point out that the attacks by one human being on another have become more frenzied, brutal and vicious and those in charge almost every where STILL look the other way if the criminal is of a certain race or sometimes self identified gender.

      This guy ha to be one sick puppy to hack this woman apart and then try and burn her.

      And to get some justice for the family the President of the United States had to become involved.

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      • jumpinjarhead says:

        Great post and it is truly a sad day when POTUS must get involved personally.

        I am very familiar with the military justice system, having taught the subject for 20 years at a nearby law school, and it too has been adversely affected by the same societal deterioration I have previously mentioned.

        We have seen increasing instances of ethical and even criminal (under the UCMJ) behavior by servicemen Wes involved in the military criminal justice system, from lawyers (judge advocates) to more senior officers in administrative capacities and even to chiefs of entire services who have illegally interfered in cases for partisan political purposes. Again, this should not be a surprise as the military criminal justice system, just like the military in general, has clearly been adversely affected by the moral degradation of our entire “culture.”

        In addition, recent changes to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, as usual made in haste and without rational thought and any actual study by a reactionary Congress, have essentially (and in my view unConstitutionally) stacked the deck against any male accused of sex-related crimes. This is of course no way to “fix” the problem Obama (and Clinton) and Congress created when they forced men and women into situations that ignore the immutable reality of sexual attraction etc.
        Instead, they effectively set up an entrapment system to punish men for acting out in these situations. This of course is NOT to excuse in ANY way actual criminal conduct by any servicemember but it does demonstrate the inherent flaw in their original actions for the sake of PC social engineering.

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        • I sounds like there is a huge problem in the military like there is everywhere else jumpinjarhead.

          And you make an excellent point as does some others here in talking about social engineering which has created a big fat mess.

          The crime this monster committed was so much worse than sexual harassment which was bad enough, and I am wondering how in the sam hill some one as mentally ill as he was gained entrance to the military.

          Putting men and women together in stressful military situations is a bad idea, everyone loses in this situation.

          This crime so much more than sexual harassment, killing mutilating the body and then trying to burn the pieces is something only a real monster could come up with.

          Not some one who should EVER have even been considered by the military.

          The guy should have been rejected right off.

          And his insane wife helped him do this.

          I know that this story brings out the problems of the areas in the military where is just does not work to have males and females serving together.

          But it should also bring out the problem of having totally insane monsters in the military and the higher ups covering for them.

          This guy Robinson should have been locked up with the key thrown away long ago.

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          • jumpinjarhead says:

            Great post and your incredulity is understandable. As I said, however, the rank and file of the military do not routinely get any thorough “psychological screening” and even if they did, such “tests,” unlike what we are led to believe from TV shows like “Criminal Minds” etc., are not 100% in finding psychopaths. Sadly, such testing also often occurs after the subject has already acted out in some fashion.

            The reality is that this criminal was a product of our critically, if not terminally ill “culture” and was merely in the military when he acted out. Things like incredibly violent video games where life is valueless and points are Simon by greater cruelty and mayhem are both a sign of these dark times and, contrary to the propaganda of that multi billion dollar industry and their bought politicians, a cause of them. Coupled with the general lack of any moral or humane limits among many, if not most of his generation, his crimes are more “understandable.”

            Having seen the evidence of what perversion and degeneracy actually occurs on many military installations, largely facilitated (if not “encouraged”) by the irrational but very PC “coed” policies, I am actually shocked that there are not more of these horrible incidents.

            The situation is not unlike the Sodom and Gomorrah atmosphere that dominates nearly all college campuses today. The difference, however, is that those in the military are much more likely to resort to violence in the event of “romantic relationships” going bad largely due to the nature of the types of personalities involved (that gravitate toward military service and are looked for by recruiters in terms of their willingness to resort to violence).

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            • Yes I agree we are seeing so much more astonishing brutal and violent behavior that is treated by a lot of people in our culture as a minor “oopsies”.

              Until the “oopsie” becomes a dead woman who as been hacked apart and then set on fire.

              I know what you mean about recruiters looking for a certain “type” for the military but in the old days these “types” were the kind of guys that would drink too much and tear up bars and get in fights with biker gangs.

              Now they seem to go for hacking up women and burning their bodies with the help of their wives.

              Your’s is an excellent post and says so much about many of the problems that areas in our country have been lurching toward.

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              • jumpinjarhead says:

                My only quibble is your 4th paragraph that I Hope was tongue-in-cheek. While I have a great many concerns about our “new model” military, I don’t think (as I am confident you don’t either) recruiters are actually looking for psychopaths. What I was alluding to was those personality types that are more naturally “combative” and self-confident than other types in our society. Type “A” personalities coming from environments (“rough” neighborhoods etc. but not to the point of having a criminal record for violence) and experiences (contact sports etc.).

                That is merely a reflection of the type “work” they are being ultimately recruited to do, and certainly in the “combat arms,” especially the infantry and special operations. It very much does require certain “types” of people for this bloody and violent “work” but, again in terms of recruits being able to get in and members being able to stay in, this must not extend to actual serious criminal violence.

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                • Sorry I should have added the sarc tag.

                  My son is a Major in the Marines and I my family has had a multi- decades long relationship with the military.

                  My family has served in every branch of the military including several of my female family members and I do not remember any of them having the trouble ( or at least this much) with their fellow soldiers.

                  I have female relatives that served in WWII, Vietnam and several of my nieces are serving now.

                  I am not as familiar with the military as you are jumpinjarhead but like you I do have a lot of respect for the difficult and complex job it is required to do.

                  And I do not think it is a good idea to mix male and females in combat.

                  But I also do not want the story of what happened to this woman to get lost in that argument.

                  She was brutally murdered and for some reason the President had to get involved to help her family receive justice.

                  This should not become muddled into the problem of where females serve and where they do not.

                  You have done and excellent job of describing the problem which needs very much to be not only addressed but actually solved.

                  What a sad and un-necessary mess.

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                • jumpinjarhead says:

                  Wow! Thanks to all your family for their service to the nation. I completely agree that this, as ALL crimes in the military should be thoroughly and non-politically investigated and the criminals brought to justice. Sadly, the reality of our “justice” system, whether civilian or military, is NOT even close to what we see in NCIS etc. either technically or administratively.

                  As I continue to assert (with few apparently even willing to consider it), given the general degradation (or total loss) for ALL (yes, me included—NONE of us are immune to the wiles of our spiritual and political enemies) Americans both in and out of uniform, of both individual and civic VIRTUE (rightly and presciently seen by our Founders as those Judeo-Christian values upon which they built our nation) any of the myriad systemic or singular failures in our “justice” system should be a great surprise.

                  This lack of VIRTUE can be traced to every failure of our government at all levels (the ongoing coup is but another reflection of what can happen with public “servants” who lack virtue) as well as our “culture” in general.

                  What rational person can assert that there is any VIRTUE reflected in what we are now demanded to accept (and believe?) such things as:

                  there are some 50+ “genders,”

                  that homosexuality (NOT “gayness”) is “normal” in spite of the anatomy of (real) males and females,

                  that pedophilia is “merely” a personality disorder that should not be criminalized,

                  that mothers should watch porn with their children,

                  that “peaceful demonstrations” include detonation of explosives, arson, permanent blinding by lasers etc.,

                  that marxism is better than our Constitutional Republic etc.

                  ad nauseam….?

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        • Kay123 says:

          Jarhead…..Semper Fi

          Ft Hood isn’t that the one where the muzzie opened fire
          on several soldiers…. a few years ago?

          Then there is always that scenario….. “Infiltration.”

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          • jumpinjarhead says:

            Yes that was the location where the islamist jihadist Major Hasan committed his terrorist acts. Jihad by migration (Hijrah) is ongoing against America. That is what has brought us Omar and Tlaib in Congress with more to come. Meanwhile our own government repeats the lie that Islam is merely another peaceful religion and only a few radicals commit the violence. All of islam is our mortal enemy. They cohabit here in “peace” only as a temporary strategy—there can NEVER be peace with islam. God tells us clearly in the Bible there will ALWAYS be enmity between islam and infidels.

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    • GB Bari says:

      If you served in Vietnam you are my age or slightly older, and we share the same perspectives. For several strange reasons I could not qualify to serve in the military in the manner I wanted and had attempted, but I did manage to get into a local Arrny National Guard Infantry unit and served 6 years before being dissuaded to re-up because of the rapidly deteriorating “quality” of recruits.

      As to the subject incident at Ft. Hood, I posted similar concerns (“who couldn’t see this coming..”) on the first page of comments under this article, albeit not nearly as eloquently nor as comprehensively as you.

      Thank you for your long service.

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      • jumpinjarhead says:

        Thank you—very kind of you GB. Thanks for your service as well. I saw your and many other very thoughtful comments amidst the many others that prompted my posts. Sadly, very very few Americans, including obviously many Treepers, know much at all about our military and how it actually functions as well as the shadow of its former self in terms of values it has become, having been sacrificed on our enemies’ altar of wokeness and perversion.

        We MUST stand together as we are bombarded by our enemies’ efforts to both splinter us and shake our resolve, confidence and faith.

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  6. JR says:

    I lived in Mexico, and spent ten years speaking mostly Spanish. The interpreter is not doing a very good job. He is mistranslating, and leaving out relevant portions of the mother’s statements.

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  7. littlebird160 says:

    I served in the U.S. Army for 24+ years and witnessed the integration of female soldiers into combat arms MOSs. I felt then, as I do now, that this was going to be a mistake. How does doing so make our military more lethal and effective? It doesn’t. It’s just the end result of another social experiment forced on the military. I saw many young female enlisted soldiers deployed to OIF and OEF and heard the stories of the Conex rapes, etc. What did the do-gooders believe would be the outcome of these co-ed deployments?. As the father of two daughters, I was never inclined to recommend they serve in today’s military. I unapologetically believe that there’s plenty of opportunity in the military for young women, just not in the combat arms MOSs.

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    • Viso Latte says:

      I have been in or worked for the Army for more then 35 years, and this comment is much more on target than jarheads, which seems influenced by whatever job he has as a military contractor now.

      Of course the military has reflected American society, and it is a given that the cultural degradation that has occurred with the disproportionate influx from third world societies and the normalization of hood and gangsta behavior (to not be racist of course) plays a role. But up to recently, the military did very well in combating these behaviors by breaking down the recruit and building them back up as a disciplined soldier.

      But the introduction of females into combat units has broken this good order. Among young humans, sex is probably the most powerful influence in their lives. Getting or giving sex, being denied sex, competition to be sex partners, or the trading of sex for favors with fellow soldiers or officers (perceived or actual) – all documented things that happen every day in the ‘girls too’ military – all create tension that disrupt and distract from the discipline and order that combat units need to fight, succeed and survive on the modern battlefield.

      No amount of ‘SHARP’ training, no amount of politicians whining, is going to solve this problem – ever.

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      • GB Bari says:

        I “liked” your comment, but I also think jumpinjarhead’s observations reflect the reality that I have heard from three different nephews who were in the military in the past 10 years.

        Possibly you have served in units where the new enlistees were successfully “broken” of their “conflict resolution inability” and other bad social skills, and taught how to peacefully coexist with strangers who had entirely different values and backgrounds.

        But my nephews, all of whom are decent and bright young men, seemed to have similar negative experiences in their respective services (Navy, Marines, and Air Force) that sounded unquestionably like jarhead’s descriptions.

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    • Maybe women belong in the military and maybe they do not.

      But this young woman did not deserve to be hacked apart and then burned.

      She is the victim.

      What kind of MALE animal does the military let into it’s ranks that will kill a fellow soldier, hack them apart and then burn them and the military does not get to upset until they are embarrassed about this and The President of The United States must become involved to help the victim’s family receive justice.

      This story is not about the problem of women in the military it is about the problem of psychopathic unstable monsters in the military.

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      • littlebird160 says:

        We’ve always had psychopathic unstable monsters in the military, especially in the COMBAT ARMS branches. It’s just since the integration of females into the COMBAT ARMS MOSs that this has become a problem. Nobody, male or female, deserves to be slaughtered as this young soldier did. Her family needs and deserves answers from her CoC. Remember one thing, though: this case is based on allegations of systemic sexual harassment due to the misguided notion that boy soldiers and girl soldiers can share a foxhole together and there won’t be any problems. Combatant commanders should be concerned with annihilating our enemies and not having to worry about the unintended consequences of a social experiment that has gone terribly wrong.

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        • When a brutal crime like this occurs it should be dealt with and dealt with quickly and honorably.

          Sadly that does not seem to happen.

          I agree that mixing the sexes in already stressful conditions like military combat should never be allowed.

          But it is a disgusting situation when the US President has to become involved to bring justice to a military family after an enlisted loved one is slaughtered by a fellow soldier and the higher up’s try to hem and haw their way out of responsibility.

          This vicious psychotic monster was allowed to prey freely on female enlisted possibly for quite a while.

          The male-female military problem is huge but this vicious killer would have been a nasty piece of work anywhere.

          He never should have been in the military and I do not understand how he passed the so called psych eval that the military use to use.

          This horrible creature was a walking talking monster.

          There is so much more wrong than systemic sexual harassment in this disgusting man’s mental make-up.

          Dealing with the stress and problems that come with the male/female problems in combat units should never have to be something any of our military put up with but most all (99.9%) deal with it without killing, mutilating and trying to burn the corpse of a fellow female soldier.

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          • OldParatrooper says:

            Sorry, but the Chain of Command in III Corps has nothing to do with SPC Robinson killing PFC Guillen. Robinson was a Chicago thug, apparently. And he may have been harassing Guillen. But she didn’t report it to the Chain of Command, the IG or the SHARP office. So the Chain had no way of knowing anything about it.

            When Robinson murdered Guillen, they were inside an arms room, likely with a closed and locked steel door, so that no one could have seen or likely heard anything. My arms rooms walls were six to eight inches of reinforced concrete with double steel doors. And locked at all times.

            And most arms rooms are co-located with Supply Rooms, so the armorer moving a large container around wouldn’t have generated any suspicion.

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            • Sorry I did not express myself very way.

              I meant that the examining of the case after Robinson was charged with murdering Guillen.

              Thngs were not going well and Pres Trump became involved to improve the situation.

              That is what I was taking about, not the act of the murder which apparantly done by Robinson and his wife.

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  8. littlebird160 says:

    Such a beautiful young lady. My condolences to her family. So proud of POTUS. Such a good and decent man. RIP Vanessa.

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  9. jumpinjarhead says:

    As an important aside, and certainly not to minimize the suffering of this poor family, it is telling that an interpreter was needed in the context of our immigration crisis and the very adverse effect lack of assimilation is having as one of the myriad factors that has put the nation into this potential death spiral we are witnessing now.

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    • sturmudgeon says:

      jumpin: “lack of assimilation”…. yes, there is that… important point.

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      • elize says:

        That is another aspect I had no clue of until after 2000 or so. I’d always lived away from major cities. One of my private sector positions, after I’d gained work experience and earned a 2nd degree in IT, sent me to its various locations to set up their networks and accounting offices. These weren’t NYC size cities, but they were the largest cities in several of the states I was sent to.

        I was put up in an apartment and told clearly and blatantly that the cities were segregated in certain areas and for my safety to stay clear of certain areas.

        I don’t drink and even then didn’t go out on the town after work as it used to be called. Until that time I didn’t realize the animosity that existed between certain groups. At the time my husband and I lived out in the country where their was no cable or internet.

        That work experience and travel opened my eyes to the real world changes I’d not noticed. Many things had changed in the world in the decades since I was a young person. I esp had no clue how many “immigrants” (legal or not) were in this country.

        And there is some deep hatred in these various groups.

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    • Janeka says:

      Make no mistake Gloria speaks enough English not to need a translator.. she is here illegally and her children are her anchors.. I’m truly sorry her daughter lost her life to a crap bag disguised as a soldier.. We will never know what really happened nor what made him think that cutting her up and trying to burn her body he could just walk away..
      The pals wife that helped him is a whole other kettle of fish.. How in the hell did anyone with half a brain get tangled up with that.?

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      • jumpinjarhead says:

        Good insight that so many, even conservatives, just don’t want to “go there.”

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      • Missy says:

        And notice that there is no husband/father present. Very revealing.

        One more observation… Why not a change in the UMCJ? Why Congress? Why a big, cumbersome, time-consuming process?

        That female lawyer, who I GUARANTEE you has political ambitions, is insisting on a bill through Congress, where she can make connections and get sponsors that she would never get access to in any other way, to start her climb up the Dim po.itical ladder. She will get public exposure, too, this way.

        Cynical as hell. I know how this works.

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    • Missy says:

      And the mother has probably been here a while, because the children speak English well, and the mother STILL doesn’t speak any. Probably been here at least 15 years. Very, very typical of native Spanish speakers. Big prob for assimilation.

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      • jumpinjarhead says:

        Exactly, and as telling as this case is in that regard, I wonder how many, even conservatives, even notice this aspect of this story and more importantly what it augurs for the future of the nation and what being an American has really meant, at least until this current troubling era.

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        • Missy says:

          Bingo. We are flooded with people from cultures that are provincial about language and culture, and DO NOT ASSIMILATE. Cultural and language retention is extremely important to these people, it DEFINES THEM…Throughout their lives, and their childrens lives.

          I grew up in San Antonio, mom taught school in very MX-American neighborhoods, where it FORBIDDEN to speak English in the home, and EVERYBODY was on welfare, and entitled to it. Anglos are always “other”, and will always be. But the benefits paid for by them… Well, that’s another story.

          It’s why we have to deport them all.

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          • Missy says:

            I meant all the ones here illegally. And their spawn, except maybe those in the military, with conditions.

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          • jumpinjarhead says:

            I do not know enough to say what the “answer(s)” is/are but it is clear we will lost our national identity if the policies and consequences continue without substantial change.

            If nothing else, the stark differences in both rates between “white non immigrant” Americans and this immigrants “of color”—especially islamists, should be a Clarion Call for these changes to protect America. Sadly, I do not think they will be coming any time soon.

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        • elize says:

          Very true, I probably wouldn’t have noticed if I’d stayed in the safe bubble I lived in years ago.

          My current husband lived for years as a teen on the west coast so he was exposed to it. And while reading the article we noted the ethnicity of those involved. It probably didn’t help the situation, imho.

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          • jumpinjarhead says:

            We are simply “not permitted” anymore to make any such connections or even observations, regardless of how common-sensical or otherwise relevant they may be.

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      • Well, my paternal grandmother came to this country in the early 1900’s…when I knew her in the late 40’s and 50’s she still could speak very little English. Back then, women did not work, immigrants stuck together in their neighborhoods, and they had children who learned English in school and functioned for them.

        So to me, it is not strange that this woman did not speak English… she seemed to understand what her daughters were saying and she may have been insecure about talking in English.. my land lord in southern NM spoke perfect English, his wife did not speak English to others although their children were born here and spoke English. He said his wife was embarrassed because she was afraid of making a mistake…I said, well, I felt the same way about speaking Spanish.

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  10. Christine Jost says:

    Not that I “needed” yet another reason to be proud of OUR President, but you cannot fake this! He is completely genuine and cares.

    Some comments about some of the comments:

    While I can certainly understand why some would deem to separate men and women in the military or not have women in the military at all, this is NOT the problem.

    The problem is the warped idea that men cannot help themselves to rape women. (I know, I cannot believe I just typed this myself!) But it is true. And it is like a dog chasing its tail…Rapist is in a control position and retaliation WILL happen, women get accused of fake accusations (and are guilty sometimes,) have “anonymous” reporting – but it will never really be anonymous; embarrassment on the one raped…it goes on and on.

    As a female Navy veteran, I guess I was fortunate. I was even in an all male environment! (I was an EOD Tech from 6/1989 to 3/1995.) I see both points! But unfortunately, I don’t have an answer to permenantly solve this. It’s very sad.

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  11. Kaco says:

    This is all very disturbing and sad. How can the military serve and protect our nation when they can’t themselves? I don’t know if it’s poor screening or what, it has the semblance of a serial killer but obviously there are individual cases of this nature.

    My son has had plans to join the Air Force, and now it depends on the election. He just graduated high school. He has a friend who joined the Marines last year, his friend does not like it. From what I understand, he does not the people in it, his fellow new recruits. I don’t know what all he has told my son, but my son has much dampened enthusiasm on joining the military based on his friends’ experience. He has talked to my husband’s cousins’ son that is in the Air Force and it doesn’t sound so much that branch has the same amount of issues, but I don’t know.

    My father served in the Air Force at the end of the Korean War. perhaps kind of rough and crude back then, but we were a different society back then, too, with seemingly better morals and value for life.

    This man who murdered this young lady and in this manner, one would think he was criminally insane. But he probably wasn’t.

    I don’t know where I’m going with this but it does make me very worried not only about my son’s safety but the possible bad influence of the military if this is the culture that has permeated it.

    My condolences to the family, what a shock and I hope they are able to get to the bottom of it. The loss of a child is the hardest, I know, my parents lost my oldest brother at the age of 21 almost 40 years ago and it’s something you never really recover from.

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    • elize says:

      Key point…we were a different society then.

      “My father served in the Air Force at the end of the Korean War. perhaps kind of rough and crude back then, but we were a different society back then, too, with seemingly better morals and value for life.”

      I’m thankful that I was born and raised before the internet was in use and all this crazy sjw, , etc became the norm.

      I enjoy studying history and tell my husband often…as much as I am disgusted by what’s going on in the world now, at least I lived in a more moral time. I’d dislike being a young person now and reading in disbelief at how “prudish” America used to be, knowing I’d missed the good ole days.

      I had to lol the other week at the look of shock on a young mans face, when while talking with a few folks, I said I don’t carry a cell phone around and rarely use one. He gasped, “What?” I swear his jaw was going to fall off his face!

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    • Janeka says:

      I have a daughter that spent 6 years in the Air Force my son in law 4 years and my son from another Mother is career AF along with his career wife.. All four of them joined for the same reason, well educated in a STEMs market that only hired those that are foreign born.. although they all held degrees none of them went in as officers.. All four worked full time while going to school waiting tables they also paid their loans as they went. Two of the four received John Levitow awards. All four are happy with their life choices.. Your sons plans for the AF are not the same as his friend, he went into the Marines. Maybe his friend didn’t have enough sense to go into the AF, after all they focus on the top scores to recruit.. Don’t let his friends problems affect his choices..

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      • maxxheadroom777 says:

        The general staff at Fort Hood countenanced two (2) brutal murders of enlisted members and tried to cover them both with bureaucratic obfuscation. According to the transcript shown here with the President, the lawyer for this victim’s family is in the process of uncovering an even deeper cesspool of corruption at Fort Hood.

        What makes you think the other services are any different? How could you honestly counsel a young person to seriously consider a military career after reading this transcript; after witnessing the behavior of “Mad Dog” Mattis; after experiencing the unremitting efforts of Bill Clinton, G.W. Bush and Barack Obama in their attempts to curtail and hamstring the effectiveness of American military power?

        The chain of command in the military is as rotten as the civilian bureaucracy. No amount of “training,” money, or fringe benefit is worth answering to people as corrupt as the career military & civilian leadership of the bureaucracy.

        Here’s a report about USAF officer James Clapper written by another officer who served with Clapper and knew him well. It should serve as a strict caution: https://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=190119&sec_id=190119

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  12. wemoore says:

    Has anyone noticed in the past 2-3 weeks, Pres. Trump has been looking more and more tired. He is working SO hard, so long. And with all that is happening he has the time to talk to these distressed people, to make the death of their daughter important. He is an amazing fellow.

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  13. Elmer Fudd says:

    Obviously; the fact that President Trump even invited this grieving family to the Whitehouse and had an interpreter to enable him to talk too them is proof that he is a racist! Next thing you know, he might even intercede to honor their daughter’s service and sacrifice by ensuring that they get citizenship.

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  14. This is the best interpreter that the US government can find? Or is he a personal friend of hers? He’s not giving her exact words to the President.

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  15. What I found disconcerting is that, quite obviously, given the constant trope throughout this interview about the need for legislative action, this senseless murder of this young woman has already been seized upon by special interest groups wishing to effect a major change to the military’s chain of command structure (It was also apparent in the level of coaching of these people).

    The Left has a predilection for offering ‘harmless, common sense’ legislative tweaks to existing law wherein ONLY THEY have gamed out the nefarious consequences. Only in retrospect is it clear that the legislative tweak, so popular, ‘harmless, and common sense’ as it was, was used as a Trojan Horse for something truly destructive.

    Unsuspecting, ingenuous, eager-to-please conservatives have been duped over-and-over by this approach.

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    • (change in military chain of command, cont.)
      Actually, it’s not hard at all to divine the Left’s purpose for legislative action: to bring to the military what #metoo has wreaked on civilian life; in other words, an easy (no due process way) of replacing key military personal with ‘woke,’ left-wing, military operatives. PERIOD!!

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    • Missy says:

      Yes, I could SEE the coaching in the way they spoke. It wasn’t natural to them, itmwas stilted and repetitive, unnatural. Damn those lefties! Disgusting. I am going to research that lawyer. She reeks of opportunism.

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  16. I don’t know how the President can stand these brutal meetings… he is so strong, so compassionate. His comforting of this brokenhearted mother is such a genuine gesture. His offering them personal financial assistance… I love President Trump. He is a wonderful man.

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  17. maxxheadroom777 says:

    I read the entire transcript. The evil forces at Fort Hood are in charge. Which means there is an even greater force of evil at the top in the Pentagon. After WW2 big Pentagon brass and top officers in the CIA figured out they could run things any way they like, trusting their crooked bureaucrat lawyers and administrative law judges to cover their evil crimes.

    Early in 2016, investigative reporter James Rosen published “Bob Woodward’s Sins of Omission” in Commentary Magazine. Therein, Mr. Rosen makes it crystal clear that former Naval intelligence officer Bob Woodward was working on behalf of the Pentagon to remove Richard Nixon. The evidence of corruption and collusion between the Pentagon, the FBI, the CIA, the Courts and the Big Media establishment is conclusive. Frankly, I am amazed Mr. Rosen’s report is still accessible online. Read it while you can: https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/james-rosen/bob-woodwards-sins-omission/

    You can call me extremist for saying so but I believe the entire bureaucratic structure of Constitutional government in the United States is absolutely and totally corrupt. The only way to Reform and Redress a system so totally corrupt is to organize skeleton crews that can be trusted to run essential government functions and send the rest of the bureaucrats home to stay–with nothing but unemployment insurance. The mobbed-up unionized bureaucrats, including the general staff at the Pentagon are the ones who allowed this insane evil to happen. Get rid of them.

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    • maxheadroom777:
      Magnificent!

      The moment ‘Mr. Magoo’ recused, opening the door to hordes of Dem villains, I suggested POTUS run DOJ from the Oval Office, then demand a statement of probable cause before any Special Counsel could be appointed, and then fire any and all DOJ officials that refused to give a statement of probable cause.

      BTW, we’re still in the hunt for that missing probable cause statement!

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    • Missy says:

      Bravo!… There is NO BOTTOM to this pit of vile corruption, even our flag officers (think Mattis, Milley, etc. The ones that survived Obunghole’s 2013 purge are suspect.

      How did our country become so morally bankrupt that we could turn away from a murder like this, or tolerate such corruption in all our institutions, or even allow ourselves to be BOUGHT OFF WITH MONEY?!?

      Only God can save us.

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  18. hudsonthedog says:

    “That’s correct. So I understand that she was in a locker room, the girls’ locker room, taking a shower, and he walked in and sat there and stared at her showering — like, just creepy.”

    This is A-Okay in Joe Biden’s America.

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  19. Mike in a Truck says:

    Somethings not right. This stinks. Every Army company/ battery Commander has an open door policy.Every company/ battery has a EEOC officer usually a 1st or 2nd LT. Every solider has to go through sexual harrassment training and every female is counseled how to seek remedy.This young Specialist didnt use her chain of command but instead told friends and family? She made it to Spec4 which means she was in the Army for at least 2 years and didnt know how to access the chain of command? This stinks really bad.Not blaming the victim here.I know where this is going- this lawyer is fishing to have civilian tribunals to oversee military command. The worst job I had in the Army was in a garrison that had male and female soldiers. Whos doin who. Who’s pregnant. Who has “female issues” and cant report today.It got so bad I had to put all the females on the first floor and males on the 2 upper floors. No male could be in a females room with the door closed. I couldn’t wait to get back to a line combat unit. I’ll keep saying it to the day I die: the feminization of the U.S. Army will be the downfall of this nation.

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    • Viso Latte says:

      I agree – lots of details left out.

      I had a similar experience as company XO OCONUS. Four female soldiers, two were lesbians (both NCOs) and two straight PFCs. PFCs had a boyfriend a week, and there was regular drama. Even had an incident where one of the lesbo NCO’s got drunk and sexually assaulted one of the PFCs. Couldn’t wait to PCS. Later found out that the PFC who got assaulted married our CO – so he was probably doing her too.

      Madness.

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    • Nan says:

      Yeah, as a female who’s been through some of what she experienced (and worse), there’s something about this that doesn’t add up for me. There are a few reasons why she may have chosen not to report what was going on, but there is no lack of resources to address her problems.

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  20. Jesus Schwarzkopf says:

    I was US Army, ’68-70. The draft was still in place, and so, I believe, that we had a cross section of society in service. There weren’t females, mixed in with the guys. The decisions that led to comingling of males and females was very stupid, as you’ve pointed out. Young men either went without sexual gratification, or masturbated, or obtained it in the old fashioned way: paying for it, or if capable, acquiring it through good looks, style, and charm.

    Unless Robinson is a patsy, set up to take a fall for the purpose of covering up something even MORE sinister (one never knows); unless Robinson is a patsy, this is a case of an apex predator individual who was never vetted, and prevented from entering the military. Of course, as an apex predator, he’d have left a trail of victims in the civilian world, no doubt!

    A complete, no holds barred investigation is needed, full bore, full speed ahead, and let the chips fall where they may! For the protection of female service members, males and females must be kept COMPLETELY apart, no exceptions!

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  21. InAz says:

    I vaguely remember a crime story that happened in the Navy…… years ago. I saw it on a crime show. The family of the murdered Navy man fought and fought for the truth. The victim was tagged as a thief. Finally the truth came out…..a person who witnessed it finally spoke up. The victim was stopping some bad stuff from happening and died for it so the bad men involved were able to cover it up.

    Disturbing that this garbage goes on…..and disturbing the military is so messed up.

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  22. hazlenut22 says:

    How is it that funerals are cancelled for everyone EXCEPT the political class, especially the DC Democrat politicians?

    People are angry over double standards like this. And, Drs Fauci and Birx are to blame for instigating this mess.

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  23. daylight58 says:

    Several years ago, I was the Ride Captain running a Patriot Guard Riders mission for the funeral of a young female soldier who’d – as it was believed at the time – been killed by a jihadi sniper shortly after she had taken her post on guard duty at night. Basically, as she was getting situational awareness in the pre-dawn hours.

    Time passes. It turns out that Mikala had been getting sexually harassed there at the post, and had used her weapon to take her own life.

    A pretty young woman whose life was full of promise either in the Army or afterwards.

    Sad.

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  24. SharonKinDC says:

    Very disturbing video, with all of the information about Vanessa’s situation and other dodgy happenings at Fort Hood. IMO, there is either a serial killer on base, and it’s someone fairly high up the food chain, or people are being targeted to silence them, or both… and perhaps more. Hope they get to the bottom of things.

    Additionally, vis a vis that bill the lawyer wrote up. Hard pass. Don’t need another EEOC type organization. That’s already a disaster: recall the Clinton years when that was implemented? Every male, and especially white male, had a target on his back. Instead, I believe, if the alleged harasser/rapist/abuser is in the chain of command, then the individual who has the complaint should be able to go above the accused’s level OR to another chain of command. Still flawed, but better than some EEOC panel, and better than what currently exists.

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  25. puca58 says:

    What a horrific tragedy for Vanessa & her family. I cannot imagine how anyone could overcome this. God Bless them. But young men & women entering the military need to understand that bases/posts & aircraft carriers are just like any large city in the US; and like most state capitals, they tend to be surrounded by the dregs of society. My Dad used to constantly preach “safety first” to my siblings & me growing up, like “don’t park next to a van”, “don’t walk down a darkened sidewalk”, “don’t put yourself in a compromised positon”, etc. We’d give him the obligatory eye roll, with a “yeah, yeah”. As a young adult (and still), I cannot count the number of times I’ve heard my Dad’s voice in my head & been able to heed those warnings succesfully. So Dads (or brothers), make sure your children, especially the girls, understand that personal responsibility for your own safety is paramount. Badger them about it; I promise, it will sink in & they’ll eventually be grateful for your persistence & sage advice!

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  26. plane of the ecliptic says:

    Thank all you Treepers for your military service. Seeing how some military brass treat POTUS in public, it is no surprise how some of them treated the Victims family.

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  27. jumpinjarhead says:

    Further to my previous posts regarding the actual “character” of today’s military here are but a few articles that touch on the fact that “patriotism” is a rapidly declining reason in general (again, thankfully there are still exceptions) for military age Americans to join the military.

    https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/us-army-smashes-recruitment-goals-by-preying-on-hopeless-millennials-with-student-debt/254443

    https://www.theloquitur.com/millennials-gen-z-dominate-military-enlist-for-financial-opportunity/

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/312644/national-pride-falls-record-low.aspx

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-have-shifted-dramatically-on-what-values-matter-most-11566738001

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  28. Missy says:

    OK, the lawyer is a SJW, loves BLM, theres an interview with her on the Daily Caller, talks about changing the military, how these poor harassed people have nowhere to go, blah, blah, blah. She is a tool of the Left, probably trying set up the President ahead of the election. Wedge issue. Despicable.

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/07/exclusive-attorney-natalie-khawam-vanessa-guillen-death/

    P. Trump should just make aure (not thru Esper) make sure that this goes up the chain until a responsive and accountable CO is found, and deal strongly with it through chain of command. NOT thru Congress.

    The Dim playbook is to put all issue power in DC in the hands of politicuans and bureaucrats. Voting, a STATE MATTER, is being centered in DC, Local CRIMES like Floyd, are being centered in DC. This is a pernicious trend to concentrate ALL power in DC, with nothing left local and state for the average citizen.

    Evil.

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  29. Raven says:

    Not that many years ago I worked at one of the MEPS (Military Entrance Processing Stations), and worked with enlisted service members and officers of every service branch.

    I remember when MEPS doctors used to refuse enlistment to people because their tattoo was questionable, like a young man who had Satanic crap all over his body. Last I heard tattoos now-a-days are written in medical records only to ID a body if need be, otherwise nothing written into someone’s skin permanently is considered questionable.

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  30. TwoLaine says:

    This whole conversation sounds like something that desperately needed to happen. I understand not wanting to tell your chain of command that you are being harassed when the chain of command is the harasser. DUH!

    There has to be a better way. If anyone can our President will find it.

    I hope he can also get them what is left of the body for burial. This is definitely something they need to do in order to move on in their grieving process. They need to send her Home so they can be ready for the next step in their long battle.

    Rest in Peace Vanessa. Thank You for your service to our country.

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  31. vigiles24 says:

    The guy who did this of course should be executed. But this brings up another underlying issue of the military. Why are women in there in the first place?! It’s ridiculous, really. You have trained killers who are held in line by some very tough people, and you put in their midst women who are no match physically and who don’t have the soaring testosterone levels to defend themselves. Women should not be in that environment, period.

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