December 12th – 2019 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1057

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743 Responses to December 12th – 2019 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1057

  1. Mike says:

    Half a Congress, Democrats onward, into the valley of Impeachment,
    Rode elected representatives .
    “Forward, the Impeachment Brigade! Charge for impeachment !” She said.
    Into the valley of Impeachment
    Rode the Democrats .

    II
    “Forward, the Democrats!”
    Was there one dismayed?
    Not though the people knew
    Someone had blundered.
    Theirs not to make reply,
    Theirs not to reason why,
    Theirs but to do and die.
    Into the valley of Impeachment
    Rode the Democrats .

    III
    Facts to right of them,
    Logic to left of them,
    Truth in front of them
    Volleyed and thundered;
    Stormed at with ridicule,
    Boldly they spoke to deceive,
    Into the jaws of reality,
    Into the mouth of hell
    Rode the Democrats.

    IV
    Spoke their talking point bare,
    Ad nausea as they dare
    Sabring truth here and there,
    Charging our President, while
    All the world wondered.
    Plunging into smoke and mirrors
    Right through the lie they wear
    brokered upon Ukraine they dare.

    Reeled from Republicans
    Shattered and sundered.
    Then they rode back, but not the moderates.

    Votes to right of them,
    Votes to left of them,
    Votes behind them
    Volleyed and thundered;
    Stormed at by changing rules,
    While opinion and speculation fell. They that had fought so well
    Came through the jaws of Deception, Back from the mouth of hell, All that was left of them.

    VI
    Thus what was now their glory fade?
    O the bogus charge made!
    All the world wondered.

    Mock the Democrats and vote them away.

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  2. youme says:

    Chuck Todd is a smug arrogant creep

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    • LoonsCall says:

      sorry to bust in on your post.. but finally found it after a couple of hours on snoozetube.. “Trump-Thunderstruck” .. it did take me a couple of hours as i knew S.D. had posted it not long ago but couldn’t find it at all.. sorry, cannot provide the link but enjoy it.. best i can do is: https://vimeo.com/365855321

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      • LoonsCall says:

        yay! ..turns out that the link works.. just yet another exciting President Trump video though slightly dated.. did take a long time to find but that’s okay.. hope people enjoy it who may not have seen it before..

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      • Bigly says:

        “This wasn’t Jason Bourne. This was Beavis and Butthead.”

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        • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

          I was unaware that the Senate was grilling Horowitz so thank you for posting this video clip.

          And just like happened to me the other day when Graham held his press conference, I have tears in my eyes listening to Cruz because it’s just such a relief to hear the application of common sense to the facts! We have been battered and denegrated for 4+ years. I got over the worst of the trauma after the Cohen raid but I still have plenty of frustration and anger, and it bubbles up the most when I hear someone publicly state, using logic and real evidnce, what we know is true.

          Please let Barr be a virtuous person who is willing to expose the traitors. Please..

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        • Robert Smith says:

          Cruz did a good job here.

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    • Tl Howard says:

      And I have always wondered why he’s smug and arrogant as I’ve never come away with the idea that the guy is bright.

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  3. youme says:

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  4. Brittney says:

    IMO Comey is worse than J. Edgar Hoover

    Comey during his testimony tried to create a hedge against possibly being indicted. Comey volunteer unbelievable testimony of stating Loretta Lynch wanted him to call the Hillary Email investigation a “Matter.”

    A few weeks before the election Comey reopened the Hillary Email Investigation; IMO Comey was trying to create another hedge just in case Hillary lost and had the perfect opportunity when Anthony Weiner laptop with Hillary emails was discovered. Today it was stated by the Liberals…Comey could not have political bias because he opened up an investigation on Hillary a few weeks before the election.

    PDJT plan of Justice will be implemented.

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    • MustangBlues says:

      Some says astutely; ”IMO Comey is worse than J. Edgar Hoover”

      Note that: Comey is a Lawyer, not a law enforcement man; corrupt in his DNA.

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  5. Paul says:

    We are witnesses to the Most Aggressive and closet attempt at successfully overthrowing our Constitutional Republic.

    We have witnessed PDJT strategically plan since Nov 2016 Indictments/Prosecutions of a Coup being revealed as the Largest Criminal Enterprise in the United States History.

    The founding fathers created our government to sustain us; not to be weaponized by eliminating the Rule of Law and the Constitution to destroy us.

    Since the criminals are using Horowitz conclusion to mislead the uniformed; the IG policies and procedures of reporting conclusions (not top priority) should be discussed after indictments, prosecutions and prison sentences.

    Horowitz gave PDJT and Barr/Durham; enough details to be merged and support their investigative work-papers to Indict/Prosecute.
    1. 51 Violations of the Wood Procedures.
    2. 9 False Statements.
    3. 9 Inaccurate Statements
    4. 33 Statements without Verification or Evidence to Support.
    5. 4 Informants Targeted at the Trump Campaign
    6. 17 Lies and Misrepresentation to the FISA COURT.

    Horowitz provided a good detailed report and has done so historically, but his conclusion doesn’t match the detailed fact findings. IMO-We the People pay his salary; is it in the best interest of the American People, FBI and DOJ for the Inspector General conclusions not match the detailed facts in their reports, when the circumstantial evidence shows 200% beyond a reasonable doubt that the conclusions should match, or at least have no conclusion; not the reverse of the actual circumstantial evidence.

    Horowitz only looks at Policies and Procedures. If policies and procedures are not followed for political reasons, is a criminal act. Horowitz should have not said anything about a conclusion.

    Case in point;
    1. How is it possible that the Horowitz Report found no evidence of Political bias? There are voluminous amounts of digital/paper trails of circumstantial evidence that goes 200% Beyond a Reasonable doubt. One or two FISA COURT lies or misrepresentation is maybe passable, maybe 3 or 4 depending on the materiality; but 17 (outrageous) lies and misrepresentation added to 51 Violations of the Wood Procedure, 9 False Statements, 9 Inaccurate Statements, 33 Statements without Verification or Evidence to Support, 4 Informants Targeted at the Trump Campaign. Why do all the lies and misrepresentation all go in the direction of PDJT? The IG Organization Charts and the reporting structures tell a story in itself. And now read Strzok/Page texts. And etc…
    2. The Horowitz Report conveniently states that “they do not know” if inclusion of omitted exculpatory evidence would have prevented approval of the FISA warrants. Of course they know!
    3. The “omissions” on the FISA application were all material exculpatory evidence that, if known, would have prevented approval of the warrants.
    4. Etc.

    Barr/Durham immediately refuted the Conclusion.

    It is apparent that Barr was upset with the conclusion of Horowitz report and expressed so with interviews, but politically supported Horowitz detailed work findings.

    IMO: Horowitz bases his entire “conclusion” that the FBI investigation into PDJT was not politically motivated because of not finding paper/digital trails of evidence that points to someone stating; they are doing this because of being political bias, AND statements made by the very FBI agents involved in the False FISA warrants; ignoring the circumstantial evidence that show 200% beyond a reasonable doubt, there was political bias.

    Horowitz Investigative Team asking: Did political bias affect your work.

    DOJ/FBI Agent; No

    Now Horowitz has his conclusion.
    .
    Some has the opinion that Government internal auditors should only report the detailed facts; I’m not so sure.
    I have had internal auditors and external auditors (One of the Big 4-accounting firms) yearly produce about a 150 page report to review Corporations to ensure the Financial Statements are Reported Correctly AND there was “No Fraud.” If the External Auditors or Corporate Internal Auditors found 1/10 of the errors and mistakes in the Horowitz audit with a highly trained and intelligent staff with an obvious motive; they would have disclosed based upon the circumstantial evidence going way beyond a reasonable doubt; we believe there is a high probability of fraud.

    Since the FBI/DOJ is supposed to be the top Law Enforcement Agency in the world to protect the American People and the Constitution; should the IG report conclusions, when circumstantial evidence is beyond a reasonable doubt, match the detailed facts of the report?

    At least or maybe this should be the standard;
    Horowitz should have stated there are no- conclusions of political bias because my investigation is narrow and limited and I do not have the powers and authority to investigate as by Barr and Durham.

    Horowitz conclusions are not important at this moment; indictments and prosecutions to save this republic is top priority.

    PDJT is 100% responsible for Justice and will ensure the criminal codes are implemented to save this republic.

    Pray for the Health/Safety of PDJT

    PDJT strategically planned since Nov 2016 to Implement Justice and “gave” Barr/Durham the Perfect Stage to easily prosecute all involved in this coup.

    To ensure PDJT doesn’t have to implement Justice (sworn duty) by using extraordinary measures and also “Mico-Manage the FBI/DOJ directly; Pray for the Health/Safety of Barr/Durham.

    Justice will happen because it is obvious the repercussions of suffering would be equal to the repercussions of losing the Revolutionary War, WW-1 or WW-2.

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    • Nicole says:

      Yes, since the criminals are using Horowitz conclusion to mislead the uniformed; the IG policies and procedures of reporting conclusions should be discussed after indictments, prosecutions and prison sentences.

      You are right on point regarding auditors being internal or external looking and reporting Fraud and making full disclosures, especially if the Fraud is material. Isn’t reporting the Fraud conclusions to the America People just as important, if not more important, than reporting Corporate Fraud to Owners, Stockholders and Banks?

      Since the Constitution and the on-going concern of the U.S. is at risk; the materiality of the bias is high and IMO should be noted in the work-papers and Final Report.

      Yes, Horowitz did his job, the detailed facts showing the identifiable criminals acts trails is all P/T, Barr and Durham needs to complete President Trump 3-years plan for indictments and prosecutions.

      PDJT is 100% responsible and gets all the credit for providing Barr/Durham and unbeatable hand for easy indictments and prosecutions. They will be known throughout history for saving our way of life and draining the criminal swamp.

      Enjoy the Moment!

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      • snarkybeach says:

        Even though we complain about how the liberals are running FNC into the ground, this is how they are seen in liberal world:

        https://www.wired.com/story/fox-news-is-now-a-threat-to-national-security/

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        • Bigly says:

          Wired is headlining that Fox News is a terrorist organization. This is what communism looks like. Any contrary opinion triggers a response. Eventually that response turns violent.

          We are in the eye of the storm.

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        • Paul says:

          Fox News are Globalist

          The Media aided and abetted these criminal acts for their own self-interest for “More” money/power by the Globalist.

          Sean Hannity is the only one at Fox News that repeatedly demanded Justice to protect the Constitution by drilling down hard consistently on criminal acts and wanted equal Justice for over 4-years or more. Hannity went after Hillary Emails and the Clinton Foundation starting from February 2016 with Rudy Giuliani appearing as a guest repeatedly, listing all the criminal codes that were violated. Sean Hannity IMO took a lot of personal threats and pressure, even Fox News demanded he tone it down; Hannity would not back down. Hannity and his unbelievable guests being Greg Jarrett, Sara Carter, John Solomon (the list is long) assisted PDJT in his 3-year plan of Justice.

          IMO;
          Hannity risked it all and in my book is a hero.

          Other Fox News Anchors are now starting to report on the coup like Hannity.

          The article stated; Instead of Fox News talking about the Horowitz Report; Fox spent the night describing an upside-down world where the president’s enemies had spun a web of lies about Trump and Ukraine, even as Horowitz blew open the base corruption that has driven every attack on the president since 2016. Sean Hannity, who had long trumpeted the forthcoming inspector general report and expected a thorough indictment of the behavior of former FBI director James Comey and other members of the “deep state,” had a simple message for his viewers during Fox’s Monday night prime time: “Everything we said, everything we reported, everything we told you was dead-on-center accurate,” he said. “It is all there in black and white, it’s all there.”

          Another reason for Indictments and Prosecutions;
          The Shock and Awe of all involved in the coup being destroyed financially, stress of metal/physical deterioration, plea deals and prison time will destroy the liberal Media. Prosecutions will allow the Truth to be known and inform/educate all those who were misled or uninformed.

          Real News and Real-Laws will easily prevail over Fake News and Fake Laws. If there were no prosecutions not only will the criminals become twice as powerful and corrupt when PDJT leaves office; the liberal media will continue to report fake news and fake laws forever. This will fit perfectly with a Globalist Constitution. MAGA obviously will be ignored and reversed very easily without the Rule of Law; stated and displayed by the liberals ever second of the day.

          With prosecutions policies and procedures will immediately be written to ensure if there is even one-millionth of this coup appearing in the future; it will be noticed immediately and those involved would be prosecuted and imprisoned or worse.

          There will be hundreds of factual books and movies in how the U.S. was seconds away from being eliminated and our children will understand corruption does not pay and the Rule of Law is the Shield that Protects the Constitution and our way of life.

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    • bessie2003 says:

      This is why I don’t want to see any vote on impeachment from the House to succeed. This man, this most wonderful President, should not be forced to be branded in the annals of history as “impeached”.

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      • rvsueandcrew says:

        I can see President Trump and his millions of supporters turning the impeachment label upside down, making a joke out of it. Like fake news, President Trump will rebrand impeachment, removing any chance of it staining the record of his outstanding presidency.

        On the other hand, impeachment will become a very stubborn stain on the Democrat party and a running joke for all who see it for what it is.

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        • Dekester says:

          Agreed, PDJT always owns the downside.

          Impeachment by this crowd of imbeciles should be worn as a badge of honour.

          In all seriousness the Dems are truly insane…utterly mad.

          Heaven help the world should they return their next “ chosen one” to the W.H.

          God bless PDJT

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        • thedoc00 says:

          Hope he does turn the label upside down but in a much more serious light because to mock it make lite of the Constitution that would be just as bad in my book.

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          • rvsueandcrew says:

            You make a good point, thedoc. A way would need to be found to differentiate between the stupid impeachment and a real impeachment. If that can be done our President would find a way.

            He may not need to rebrand the word. Already he is showing what a political scam this is by continuing to work hard for all the American people. Folks are noticing the contrast!

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          • The Dark Lord says:

            no … mocking this “impeachment” in no way mocks the Constitution … this “impeachment” is actually mocking the Constitution

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          • cjzak says:

            The Dems have already made light of the impeachment process and watered it down to mediocrity just as they did the word racism. What used to be serious and meaningful causes yawns in the American citizen of today all thanks to the Democrats using these very important and solemn words loosely and irresponsibly. It is reprehensible what they have done to our country and it’s Constitution. They will be known in negative descriptions in the future history written about our time. Sad to be them especially when they choose to do it all based on their inability to accept the will of the people who hired them.

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        • mikeyboo says:

          If anyone can do turn impeachment upside down and make a joke of it, that man is Pres Trump, and we his most ardent supporters.

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    • David A says:

      Is there an article that lists the wood violations, FISA lies etc…?

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      • Paul says:

        Reported by John Solomon; Just how bad was the FBI’s Russian FISA? 51 Violations and 9 False statements.

        To understand just how shoddy the FBI’s work was in securing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant targeting the Trump campaign, you only need to read an obscure attachment to Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report.

        Appendix 1 identifies the total violations by the FBI of the so-called Woods Procedures, the process by which the bureau verifies information and assures the FISA court its evidence is true.

        The Appendix identifies a total of 51 Woods procedure violations from the FISA application the FBI submitted to the court authorizing surveillance of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page starting in October 2016.

        A whopping nine of those violations fell into the category called: “Supporting document shows that the factual assertion is inaccurate.”

        For those who don’t speak IG parlance, it means the FBI made nine false assertions to the FISA court. In short, what the bureau said was contradicted by the evidence in its official file.

        To put that in perspective, former Trump aides Mike Flynn and George Papadopoulos were convicted of making single false statements to the bureau. One went to jail already, and the other awaits sentencing.

        The FBI made nine false statements to the court.

        And the appendix shows the FBI made another nine factual assertions that did not match the supporting evidence in the file. In another words, the bureau was misleading on nine other occasions.

        The vast majority of remaining Woods violations — 33 in total — involved failing to provide any evidence in the Woods procedure backing up assertion in the FISA warrant application.

        That’s serious too since the sole purpose of the Wood procedures is to ensure all evidence cited in a FISA application is documented as accurate and reliable so it can be trusted by the courts.

        https://johnsolomonreports.com/just-how-bad-was-the-fbis-russia-fisa-51-violations-and-9-false-statements/

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    • Janice says:

      Your “Case in Point” is right on.

      Facts and detail IG report confirmed what we already knew and it is time to indict.

      Durham is not going to write a report; he is going to indict; also stated by Sidney Powell this morning.

      Here are just a few of the mountains of paper digital trails of evidence that PDJT and 85 million P/T supporters already knows and that P/T has acknowledged for over 3-years.

      Comey:
      1. The Inspector General’s report confirms what many of us knew: James Comey’s FBI ignored guidelines and rules in spying on President Trump’s campaign in 2016, a criminal act.
      2. Comey allegedly did not follow normal policies and procedures when investigating Hillary Email or the Clinton Foundation for political reasons; a criminal act.
      3. The list is long…

      The Horowitz report confirms that the bureau deceived FISA judges with the Steele dossier.

      The U.S. government’s powerful tools designed and authorized for international intelligence gathering were deployed to monitor the activities of a Presidential campaign.

      The FBI knows the rule/laws. These were not “mistakes” but intentional circumventing around the rules/laws and eliminating the rules/laws all together to get away with spying on a political opponent.

      The FBI KNEW Carter Page was innocent and yet continued to renew the most extreme FISA warrant possible against him, hiding exculpatory evidence over and over again. HOW can the FBI do this to one of their OWN ASSETS, to illegally approve a FISA warrant to spy on PDJT? Unforgiveable!

      This IG report should finally wake-up the people for the past 3-years who did not believe Justice will or has to happen for our Constitution to live on; should now demand Justice and nothing less. Support PDJT demand for Justice which will be known throughout history as PDJT greatest accomplishment.

      The criminals have tried to stop Justice for 3-years; they now realize they will have to face Justice and they will all be destroyed by mental stress and financially, not remembering how it feels to have a good night sleep; this is Justice stage 1. Stage 2- many will be going to prison.

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    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      Pray for the Health/Safety of PDJT

      I am becoming increasingly nervous about this.

      The Dems have failed over and over again in their attempts to take Trump out before and after the election. Now they are attempting to impeach him which is pretty much the worst civil action they can take. It will fail too. And then what will come next? What comes after the worst civil action? I fear something uncivil. I’m not saying I think it’s going to happen, but I think the Dems are so unhinged now that they will resort to the same kinds of calls for violence we saw back in late 2016 only they will be worse this time.

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      • Lulu says:

        Oh they’ve gamed out all ways to remove him have no doubt. I bet they were stupid enough to email/text about it. I would bet multiple groups have done this – FBI/DOJ, Former Obama officials, the CIA, and likely people in the Pentagon.

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      • Robert Smith says:

        I agree. Democrats are going to go kinetic.

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    • Bert Darrell says:

      It is my hope that all will understand that the “criminals using Horowitz conclusion to mislead the uniformed” will not prevent the uninformed from being outraged.

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  6. youme says:

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  7. This isn’t even real Grown-Up Impeachment. It’s Failure Theater for gullible Democrat voters.

    (Don’t ask me how I know so much about failure theater.)

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  8. zimbalistjunior says:

    for some dumb reason, im watching todays hearings live

    it is a bloodbath
    the dems have never looked worse; the repubs never looked better

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  9. Reserved55 says:

    Cody Blumenthal Shearer

    Hilldog’s hatchet men.

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  10. IGiveUp says:

    Rashida Tlaib on black suspects’ murder of Jews in Jersey City: “White supremacy kills”

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2019/12/12/rashida-tlaib-blamed-jersey-city-shooting-on-white-supremacy-n2557894

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  11. Reserved55 says:

    Our Eternal Boogeyman

    Exclusive footage documenting the hacking of 2020 election

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-only-aircraft-carrier-admiral-kuznetsov-has-erupted-flames

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    • thedoc00 says:

      Good point on the Russian Boogeyman.

      Also while this aircraft carrier burns, just need to also show pictures of those other ecological wonder lands in Russia .. on the Kola Peninsula, ex-Military Bases (especially in Eastern Europe and now Independent Republics) and of course Chernobyl.

      Interestingly, China also has some interesting ecological wonder areas related to their military disposal as well.

      Yep, and the UN wants the US to pay for any ecological spills they commit.

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      • Little Berkeley Conservative says:

        The worlds largest ‘known’ under water nuclear disposal site lies just outside the Golden Gate Bridge. Among all the 55 gallon drums of waste is a scuttled ship that is full of waste.

        We needed a place to get rid of all our bomb development and testing waste. They also tried to clean contaminated ships at Hunters Point and made a mess.
        Nancy Pelosi family bought Hunters Point for one dollar and we the people paid billions to clean it up, just so she can sell million dollar condos there now.

        That place that is the largest underwater nuclear disposal site? We call it the Farallon Island National Marine Sanctuary!

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        • thedoc00 says:

          Not that I am a fan of these site, there is a massive difference between a site acknowledged and owned by the US Government vs ships, submarines and other materials just scuttled or dumped and left to rot in the open as well as being outright abandoned. You point is not even valid given those circumstances.

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          • Little Berkeley Conservative says:

            Before ocean disposal of radioactive materials was banned. Our site was bigger than the Russians. Just the facts, sir.

            I’ll go a little further to try and make it relevant to today’s behavior of Democrats.

            Al Gore and the Democrats banned US citizens from operating personal watercraft in this waste site for environmental concerns.

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  12. youme says:

    Steele’s primary subsource was interviewed by the FBI

    primary sub-source admitted that his or her sub-sub sources were not privy to the information they were spilling. Their allegations were based on “multiple levels of hearsay.”

    He or she also said they were unable to corroborate any of the hearsay. The primary sub-source reported this to the counterintelligence team, known as the “Crossfire Hurricane team,” as well.

    The primary sub-source also indicated the allegations against Page, such as Page allegedly accepting bribes from Russian energy conglomerate President Igor Sechin, were falsified. A sub-sub source handed over text messages to the FBI showing Steele’s allegations against Page were false.

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/10/steele-own-primary-sub-source-cast-doubt-on-steeles-collusion-claims/

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  13. littleanniefannie says:

    Steve Cohen just said that he took theater in college and is trying to talk about the Republicans. Excuse me, which idiotic Congressman brought a bucket of KFC to the hearing room and ate it? Obviously Cohen focused on fictional fantasy rather than anything serious.

    And now he invokes the word of the three of the most “respected professors” in America, just exactly how insane is he? Call Uber Eats and order another bucket Stevie Wonder, it is what you do wwwwaaaaaaaaayyyy better than you perform the duties of a Congressman!!

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  14. dogsmaw says:

    Rep Steve Cohen D-TN

    President Donald Trump “speaks” in code 😛

    Let them eat dirt…
    OMB: Ukraine aid delay was consistent with law, past practice

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  15. youme says:

    The FBI claim the previous information from Steele was used in legal proceedings was an outright lie:

    Page 161 and page 162

    https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

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  18. tuskyou says:

    HGTV White House Christmas Special is on this Sunday @5pm EST. Can’t wait to see what our beautiful elegant FLOTUS has done this year.

    https://www.multichannel.com/pr-feed/-maureen-mccormick-of-a-very-brady-renovation-and-alison-victoria-of-windy-city-rehab-to-co-host-hgtvs-white-house-christmas-2019-on-sunday-dec-15

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  19. thedoc00 says:

    The DNC may another theme song to add to their repertoire.
    The melody is based on Old MacDonald Had a Far … Old MacDemocrat had a “say” E-I-E-I-O, Hear a Say, There a Say, everywhere a “Hear Say” ….

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  20. dawg says:

    I think we should keep pressuring all our Reps to keep impeachment from passing the House. I think its still possible that they dont get the votes.

    If it doesnt get to the Senate, then McConnell doesnt get the leverage he wants.

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    • another face in the crowd says:

      Agree, I think our best outcome is if it doesn’t get out of committee, next to that not getting out of the House. The way the Senate has telegraphed how they will handle it will be a strategic win for the Democrats, as it will let the media spin it as a republican cover up operation.

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    • Is there a way to stop this by taking it to the SC? I mean, impeaching someone for following their constitutional rights (going to the courts for relief for being charged for following their rights to appeal the fake impeachment charge of obstruction of congress)?

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      • SHV says:

        “Is there a way to stop this by taking it to the SC? ”
        ******
        Especially after watching the Federal Judiciary over the past three years, the last thing I want to see is SCOTUS having any influence on the impeachment process. The process is being abused by radical scum but there are built in protections, ie. 2/3 vote to convict and the “ballot box” that will hopefully hammer the Dems in 2020. The idea that a radical SC, composed of unaccountable judges, could have a major influence during the impeachment process makes me ill.

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      • All of this is, prima facie, a Bill of Attainder, which is expressly prohibited by our Constitution. (1.9.3; 1.10.1) The Legislature, now without apology or pretense, has declared the official guilty of a crime and intends to punish him therefor by impeachment, all without benefit of trial or a shred of due process. (In fact, they purposely denied him due process, and insist that his attempts to obtain it are “an impeachable offense.”)

        The first question is whether the actual Democratic congressmen will, in fact, commit political hari kiri in obedience to septuagenarian overlords who … unlike themselves … somehow will manage to come back next year. If they actually do so, then there would then be cause to sue in the Supreme Court.

        Our founders, being students of history, clearly foresaw what is happening right now and expressly intended to prohibit it.

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    • Ken Maritch says:

      Agree, I have been calling/emailing my reps all day.
      They need to feel the pressure and understand the consequences of their actions.

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      • Well, my rep is Mark Meadows and he is on our side. I did call his office this morning to ask if there is a way to take this to the SC and the person did not know anything about that.

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      • dawg says:

        Me too. I think the R reps need to be pressuring their D rep colleagues too, telling them “Im hearing it from my constituents and know you are hearing it too. You are going to lose in 2020 you vote to impeach.”

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    • Nepanyrush says:

      Well, I wrote my Congressman in PA.

      He is only the Congressman because the PA Supreme Court threw out the GOP legislature’s congressional map and assigned a liberal professor to draw up a new (Dem-favorable) map. Imagine, just this one liberal professor, not the people’s representatives, decided the voting districts. Still, Trump carried this congressman’s district, even though it favors Dems.

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    • aisheschayal says:

      I was wondering, as an amateur activated conservative, should I be calling all the Congressional Rep’s. in our State (NY, looks like 27 of them) and voice my request to all of them? I’m not really sure what are the best most productive calls to make. Maybe someone could advise?

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      • dawg says:

        So some rep’s offices ask you for your address to determine if you are in their district. I called a Repub rep in my state and once I gave her my address, which was not in their district, she basically blew me off. And this was after it was clear to her that I was a conservative. In these instances its handy to have an address in that district. 😉 😉 wink

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  21. Zippy says:

    Even thought Times readers overwhelmingly voted for the HK liberty protesters.

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  22. aisheschayal says:

    Wall Street Journal opinion piece by the Editorial Board yesterday: The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-incredible-shrinking-impeachment-11576109728?mod=hp_opin_pos_1 There was a video that was pretty good with Kevin McCarthy on it but I couldn’t grab it.

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  23. Guyski says:

    The dimmocrats who are so ‘concerned’ about the lives of the people in the Ukraine are doing everything possible to make their government/president ineffectual. Putin should send the dimms a thank you note.

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  24. Is there anyone here who knows how to post a video that PDJT has on his twitter? It is a Dan Scavino post and it is a video of this young boxer, Bryce Mitchell, who at the end of the video says, to Trump, if you need anyone to help you fight these DC guys, just call me, I’ll take care of them..or something like that..it is great!

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  25. wildsailor2018 says:

    The Demonrats seem to be very concerned about an investigation on a candidate for POTUS. Where is the concern for Trump as a candidate, then POTUS elect, then installed as POTUS being under constant investigation? Two-faced maggots.

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  26. WeThePeople2016 says:

    Hmmmm.

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  27. Patience says:

    “Influence peddling” ~Ratcliff
    ~>Joe Biden’s demand/threat to fire the Ukraine prosecutor within 6 hours.

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  28. sunnyflower5 says:

    President Trump retweet

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  29. k4jjj says:

    If Eric Holder is trashing Bill Barr, Obama must be REALLY worried about Barr’s footsteps he can hear close behind him. If the trail of crimes leads right to Obama, Durham must seek Obama’s indictment. The Democrats have ceaselessly argued NOBODY is above the law. Unlike Donald Trump, Obama is not a sitting President so he CAN CERTAINLY be prosecuted. Make Democrats choke on their own pious threats.

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    • Dave Radetsky says:

      That’s be nice, but I HIGHLY doubt that Obama would ever be prosecuted. He may get some damage to his legacy, but the chances of them prosecuting America’s first black president are minute, at best. There’s too much fear of being called racist for that to happen. They’ll prosecute Hillary before Obama, and the chances of that are tiny, too. I believe the most that will happen is that Obama and Hillary will be damaged good that no longer have credibility…. but even that’s doubtful given how many people idolize both of them.

      As much as I wish indictments would fall on anyone who is guilty, I accept that the best we’ll probably see are that other people in high places are held accountable.

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      • Zippy says:

        “He may get some damage to his legacy, but the chances of them prosecuting America’s first black president are minute, at best.”

        Then that is further proof that the Republic is long dead because IF he was KNOWINGLY involved in what Dan Bongino has already laid out about SpyGate and BEFORE it, things which he MUST have known since HIS National Security Council HAD to approve counter-intelligence spying on US citizens, and HE along with a WHOLE BUNCH of other high level people are not prosecuted, then the rule of law is dead and we effectively have a royal class of untouchables.

        Of course, it should be absolutely no surprise to anyone paying adequate attention that this has been the case for a VERY long time, it’s just that this case has exposed just how massively corrupt the system is and how high up the illegal behavior goes.

        This 20/20 vision was allowed ONLY because the perps didn’t win the election and due massively helpful contributions from the Internet and sites like this one which has allowed the Deep State media lapdogs to be bypassed for the first time. Previous revelations usually required entire volumes of books to be read to remove the MSM’s propaganda goggles.

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      • The Dark Lord says:

        damaging the Obama legacy is like beating a dead horse at this point in time … its already been destroyed … beating it down more is just exercise now …

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    • Lulu says:

      Obama could kill people on live Television and would not even be arrested. He’s the first black president and the law has never and will never apply to him.

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    • III% says:

      I’ll settle for banishment and an end to their stirring up angst and unrest in the country.

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  30. sunnyflower5 says:

    President Trump retweet

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    • freespeechfanatic says:

      You’re playing this wrong, GOP, by constantly referencing the democrats’ charges. All you’re doing is legitimizing the spectacle and inviting more charges to refute. Because the charges will not stop — ever. You need to attack the underlying ideology.

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  31. sunnyflower5 says:

    President Trump retweet

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    • lawrencepaul1 says:

      If it wasn’t actually happening we would never believe that it could happen.

      Liked by 5 people

      • Zippy says:

        You voted “incorrectly” and the resulting fluke election of a true boat rocker for, apparently, the first time in many decades must be countered by whatever means necessary, legal, quasi-legal, or illegal even though it blatantly exposes for the first time the “conspiracy theory” Deep State.

        The reelection of this “mistake” MUST be prevented and they are desperate to do that since the boat rocker may no longer be prevented from acting on his justifiable wrath since, if reelected, he’ll no longer need to worry about going easy on the Deep State forces in order to be reelected.

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  32. Dora says:

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    • dawg says:

      So Im trying to decipher what this all means. This sentence was telling. (if true)

      “One of the senators, speaking anonymously, said McConnell would not call a vote on a motion to proceed to the impeachment articles unless he knew he had the 51 votes needed to end the trial, which would then set up a final vote on the articles themselves.”

      So if McConnell thinks there are 51 votes to dismiss it, then he will call a vote on the motion to proceed? So he doesnt want it to be dismissed, and wants it to go to trial, right?

      So publicly, McConnell and Trump are on the same page? They are both saying publicly they want it to go to a trial in the sentence where witnesses are called, etc….

      I guess the question becomes, is PTs definition of a trial and McConnells definition of a trial the same?

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      • thedoc00 says:

        No and I do not trust McConnell’s motives.

        I see McConnell’s motion as an attempt to “legislate” an end to the impeachment. Which means, he intends to repudiate the Articles of Impeachment as not meeting criteria of constitution, therefore the Senate will not conduct a trial as there are NO “crimes” listed in the Articles of Impeachment. He is essentially going to say you cannot impeach on a null set of “crimes”. McConnell’s path would lead to a law suite and trial on the “quality of charges” in the Supreme Court which is a win-win for the Uni-Party and Democrats. The President would be tried in the supreme court and not the senate. The senate would then be free to rubber stamp the Supreme Court’s decision.

        The President actually means a real live trial as described in the constitution.

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    • dawg says:

      Meanwhile, Lindsey Graham is saying again today, he wants to end it immediately without calling any witnesses.

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      • MNGal says:

        I’m sure Senator Graham would like to avoid testimony of witnesses. He doesn’t want his own criminality to enter the spotlight! He will do his best to sweep everything under the rug.

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  33. Perot Conservative says:

    This Hill article lists just the top lobbyists. Very, very odd. Not an article. Included in the long list …

    Neil Bradley and Jack Howard, U.S. Chamber of Commerce

    Sundance may be able to riff off of this.

    https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/474162-the-hills-top-lobbyists-2019#

    ” ** Not all of those honored on this list are formally registered as lobbyists. ** The list highlights the broad range of talents needed to succeed in the influence industry. But the people below are all at the top of their game — and the ones the nation’s biggest companies, labor unions and associations turn to when they want their voices heard in the nation’s capital.”

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  34. Dixie Sugarbaker says:

    If I were a FISA judge and I signed a FISA warrant on bogus information, I would be furious. I would have the affiants who lied to me in court for contempt. I would be contacting the respective bar associations and filing complaints requesting the lying attorneys be disbarred. I don’t see that happening. Are the FISA judges all in on this? Surely there is at least one honest one that can set this in motion.

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    • Zippy says:

      FISA Court Rolls Over, Plays Dead
      Aug 28, 2013

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/jennifergranick/2013/08/28/fisa-court-rolls-over-plays-dead/#2b26114763ae

      Excerpt:

      A newly declassified opinion shows FISA court “oversight” in the face of egregious, unconstitutional and potentially criminal government misconduct means nothing.

      Last week, thanks to the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s excellent FOIA work, we got the gift of a newly declassified 2011 FISA court opinion. The opinion finds that the government misled the FISA court for over three years about the details of its illegal and unconstitutional surveillance programs. These lies hid from the court the fact that every year, the NSA is collecting at least 56,000 emails – and possibly many more — between innocent Americans who have no foreign connections and are suspected of no crimes. That’s bad, but the worst part of it is, when the government’s lies were finally exposed the FISA court demanded … that NSA analysts read our private messages right away, so they can be used or deleted more quickly. In other words, the government got not a slap on the wrist, but a pat on the back.

      This was the third lie in less than three years that the FISA court had learned about. The judge described one such pattern of lying in Footnote 14 of this newly declassified opinion. There, the clearly outraged judge said the NSA had misrepresented so frequently and systematically how it conducted its program to collect and query Americans’ phone call records that the agency had utterly subverted the Court-mandated oversight regime for that program.

      So what did the court do when it found out it had been lied to, that purely domestic communications were fair game, that untold numbers of innocent people were being illegally spied on, and that all the safeguards in place needed to be rethought?

      Nothing, really. The court suggested the NSA should train its analysts to notice when their queries turned up an MCT – i.e., an Internet transaction containing multiple messages — and then to look carefully at all the by-catch. If existing procedures allowed them to use anything in those purely domestic messages that they were never supposed to have collected in the first place, great! Otherwise, only after collection and review, should the information be deleted. The NSA adopted this approach, and continues to blithely collect Internet transactions containing wholly domestic communications between innocent Americans to this day.

      So in the face of illegal, unconstitutional and potentially criminal conduct — conduct about which the NSA repeatedly lied to the FISA court — the FISA court “corrected” the problem by requiring … banner warnings that something might be an MCT, and an extra round of review by NSA analysts. The real problem – that the NSA regularly collects Americans’ most private communications that the law does not permit it to collect and lies about it to the FISA court – was simply waved away.

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    • Jim in TN says:

      Okay, you are a FISA Judge, and I am a lawyer who committed fraud on your court, I even lied to you in your court, how do you punish me secretly without denying me my constitutional rights? How can you provide the bar association enough evidence for them to disbar me?

      This would be criminal contempt.

      https://legalanchor.com/what-is-contempt-of-court-can-it-send-you-to-prison/

      And no, I am not a lawyer.

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      • Zippy says:

        “How can you provide the bar association enough evidence for them to disbar me?”

        Simple. You DECLASSIFY those portions of FISA warrant request which prove the FISC was lied to and unredact the name of the agent who first certified that the information in it was verified according to the Woods Procedures. That name was redacted. -WHY?!- I think we know why. The publicized IG report already lays that lies were made.

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        • Jim in TN says:

          Declassification is an executive branch function. We have Congressmen who begged Trump to declassify this stuff. I suppose the court can get away with using this power, but it won’t be easy.

          Did the court declassify the Boasberg and prior reports? If so, you may already have that power.

          It definitely helps you to have an IG lay out to the country the fraud I committed on your court. Now you can hold me in contempt and I can have a public trial and keep my rights.

          But what happens when telling my crimes to the world does greater harm than my crimes did?

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  35. WeThePeople2016 says:

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  36. Lulu says:

    We are so screwed in Virginia. They are salivating to start raiding our homes and killing gun owners.

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    • lawrencepaul1 says:

      Blue state blues Lulu. If at all humanly possible move to a deep red state.
      It’s only going to get worse.

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    • freespeechfanatic says:

      And many on our side keep saying “they’ll never do that, they’ll never risk civil war.” Rubbish. They’ll risk it with pleasure. They’re not afraid of us, not at all.

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    • Eric says:

      Not sure if you have been paying attention… Virginia Dems have been getting slammed at public townhall meetings regarding both impeachment and gun control.

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    • Tom! says:

      They are definitely rattling the chain. Guess we are close to finding out the strength and resolve of the Patriots. There comes a point in time where running from this is over. I live in the Winchester area and have no desire to give up the view of the mountains, Shenandoah River and the valley. Hopefully enough Virginians will make it clear that we will not back down.

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  37. dogsmaw says:

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  38. burnett044 says:

    and yet many still think they will not try to come after our guns……best look at the effort now in Va.

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  39. Zippy says:

    Exclusive: U.S. Army Will Fund Rare Earths Plant for Weapons Development
    11 Dec 2019

    (Reuters) – The U.S. Army plans to fund construction of rare earths processing facilities, part of an urgent push by Washington to secure domestic supply of the minerals used to make military weapons and electronics, according to a government document seen by Reuters.

    The move would mark the first financial investment by the U.S. military into commercial-scale rare earths production since World War Two’s Manhattan Project built the first atomic bomb.

    It comes after President Donald Trump earlier this year ordered the military to update its supply chain for the niche materials, warning that reliance on other nations for the strategic minerals could hamper U.S. defences.

    China, which refines most of the world’s rare earths, has threatened to stop exporting the specialized minerals to the United States, using its monopoly as a cudgel in the ongoing trade spat between the world’s two largest economies.

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    • another face in the crowd says:

      Yep Trump understands what is best long term for our national security. Compare this to previous administrations thinking it was okay to outsource things to hostile countries.

      Just more America First in motion!

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  40. Perot Conservative says:

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  41. sunnyflower5 says:

    President Trump retweet

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  42. DesertRain says:

    “H.R.3 imports a dangerous reference pricing plan to allow the government to decide the value of your health & slashes the availability of cures for our brothers and sisters with chronic conditions. We must encourage innovation and work together to lower drug prices.” Rep David Schweikert

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  43. sunnyflower5 says:

    President Trump retweet

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  44. Zombie says:

    Pray for the Republican congress persons having to listen for hours and hours of the lying devils.

    Personally, I would get up and choke the living daylights out of Nadler.

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  45. We really don’t have to look very far to find the real explanation for “the Democrats’ suddenly forceful and determined behavior.” The impetus was the word, “Ukraine.” But it was also that the Ukranians also elected a President (with a 70%+ margin) who promised to “drain the swamp.”

    Literally for decades, these very people … Biden, Obama, Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, and others … have been engaged in all sorts of despicable high-crimes in Ukraine. They have embezzled billions of American taxpayer dollars. And they did this with complete impunity, because the POTUS was always someone about whom you could say, “call him up.” Until 2016.

    Now, the Democrats want to impeach Trump and Pence, so that Nancy Pelosi would be sworn-in as Madame Presidente … who would promptly “restore order” by stopping all investigations.

    They’re so desperate to achieve this that they’re no longer pretending that it’s justice. A “Bill of Attainder” will do nicely, and as long as we don’t call it that, Sec. 1.9.3 just somehow won’t apply: “No bill of attainder shall be passed,” but we went ahead and did it anyway. Impeachment is supposed to be only for “high crimes and misdemeanors,” but we went ahead and did it anyway. And we matter-of-factly expect that 100% of the Democratic Representatives will obey their septuagenarian overlords and vote as they have been ordered to do. Don’t ask questions, just do as you are told. (So what if you won’t be back in 2020 … we will.)

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    • dawg says:

      “But it was also that the Ukranians also elected a President (with a 70%+ margin) who promised to “drain the swamp.””

      Yep, but Ukraine elected not just the new President, the Presidents new party that he created swept to power and took the majority and they were all newcomers with no prior political experience.

      It was the worst nightmare for anyone having been doing corrupt dealings with Ukraine.

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  46. NJF says:

    Great explainer.

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