Monday November 25th – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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65 Responses to Monday November 25th – Open Thread

  1. DanDeplorable says:

    DAILY DEVOTIONAL, November 25, 2019

    “What Do We Know?”

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  2. citizen817 says:

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  3. Autonomous Collective says:

    The True Story of Thanksgiving and the true story of the Pilgrims, who they were, where they were.
    Why they risked everything to get on a rickety little ship and travel the Atlantic Ocean to a place that was foreign and unknown. They had no idea what they would encounter. And it was all for religious freedom. And the real story of Thanksgiving, I wasn’t even taught it, and I was in grade school in the late fifties and early sixties, and I wasn’t even taught. I was taught that Thanksgiving was about the Pilgrims being saved from starvation and deprivation by the Indians, and learning to grow food and thanking the Indians for saving us, the Native Americans. Everybody was taught this, but it’s not true.

    The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the seventeenth century … The Church of England under King James I was persecuting anyone and everyone who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical authority and those who believed strongly in freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned, and sometimes executed for their [religious] beliefs, in 1600, England, the 17th Century.
    A group of separatists first fled to Holland and established a community. After eleven years, about forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World, where they would certainly face hardships, but” at least the promise was, “could live and worship God according to the dictates of their own consciences.” It’s a powerful belief, the belief in freedom of religion to engage in this kind of activity in order to be able to do it, to be able to cross an ocean to a place where you have no idea what to expect.
    On August 1, 1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers, including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey, Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established, essentially socialism, just and equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible. The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the Old and New Testaments.
    They looked to the ancient Israelites for their example. And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. They were people with incredible faith. The journey to the New World was a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in November, they found, according to Bradford’s detailed journal, a cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the Pilgrims — including Bradford’s own wife — died of either starvation, sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians, the Native Americans, indeed, taught the settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats. Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper! This is important to understand because this is where modern American history lessons often end.
    That’s where the traditional story of Thanksgiving ends: The Indians helped ’em and they learned how to plant corn, had they had a big feast, and that’s what we celebrate today. No! “Thanksgiving is actually explained in [way too many] textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians for saving their lives, rather than” what it was. Thanksgiving was “a devout expression of gratitude” to God — and if you doubt that, go look at George Washington’s first Thanksgiving Proclamation, when Thanksgiving became a national holiday because of George Washington.
    You cannot escape the fact that it was a national holiday rooted in thanking God for America, for the blessed nature of our country, and this is exactly what the Pilgrims did. That’s what they were thankful for. Here is the part that has been omitted from the traditional textbooks, and was omitted when I was in school. The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into on the Mayflower, they all… They had merchant sponsors. They didn’t have the money to make this trip themselves. There were sponsors, merchants in Holland and London that paid for it.
    They had to be repaid. So, the contract that they had called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well. It didn’t belong to any individuals, and everything they produced, they were going to distribute it equally. Everyone would get the same, and everybody would be the same. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well.
    Nobody owned anything. They just had a share in it. It was a commune, folks. It was a Humboldt, County, California, commune — minus the weed. “It was the forerunner to the communes we saw in the ’60s and ’70s out in California,” with organic vegetables. Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter after settlement. He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage, and it was theirs.
    Whatever they produced was theirs to do whatever they wanted. Sell it, keep it, use it, but it was theirs. Well, you know what happened. This was, in effect, the unleashing of the power of competition and the marketplace. The Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be described as socialism, and it failed miserably. “It didn’t work! Drastic action taken by William Bradford got rid of it. What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, because no matter what you produced, you got the same as anybody else.
    If you didn’t produce anything, you still got the same amount that everybody else got. They were trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it… The rest of the world’s been doing that since the beginning of time, but there’s no way to refine it and perfect it. They dumped it. The Pilgrims dumped approximate. What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild’s history lesson. … ‘The experience that we had in this common course and condition. The experience that we had in this common course and condition tried sundry years…that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing — as if they were wiser than God,’ Bradford wrote.
    For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men’s wives and children without any recompense…’” What he’s saying is, “Why should we bust our ass working for people not doing anything?” It didn’t work. It was a resounding failure. Why should you work for other people when you can’t work for yourself?
    From his own journal. The Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to do their best work without insensitive. So what did Bradford’s community try next? They unharnessed the power of good old free enterprise… They let every family have its own plot of land to work and they were permitted to market the products, the crops that they grew, and the result was, Bradford wrote, “This had very good success. For it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.
    So the result of free enterprise after the Pilgrims had tried socialism, well, William Bradford wrote about it. “This had very good success, for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.” Bradford doesn’t sound like a committed leftist, and he wasn’t.
    So the Thanksgiving that was had: “Pilgrims found they had more food than they could eat themselves. Now, this is where it gets really good, if you’re laboring under the misconception that I was, as I was taught in school. So they set up trading posts and exchanged goods with the Indians.
    In other words, there was capitalism going on. There was buying and selling going on. There were profits. A group of people arrives on a boat committed to being equal and the same. It fails. They end up turning out industrious activity, creating that by virtue of competition and being able to keep what you produced. They produced more than they needed. They ended up setting up trading posts. They exchanged goods with the Indians, and the profits finally allowed them to pay off the debts to the sponsors, the merchants in London who had sponsored them.
    The success and prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans and began what came to be known as the ‘Great Puritan Migration. In other words, the Pilgrims had such overwhelming success at growing their community, word spread all the way back to England, and it began this humongous migration of people.
    Remember, the Pilgrims preceded the founding of the country by hundreds of years. They really were the ones that got it started and showed how it could be done. And it was — I don’t want to use the word “rich.” It was so plentiful, this was what they were thankful for. They thanked God for the guidance found in the Bible for restructuring their community, and shared their bounty with the Indians, who did teach them how to do things they didn’t know how to do, basically be farmers.
    That’s The True Story of Thanksgiving.

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  4. Lucille says:


    Central Park, New York City…

    London, England…

    Boston, Massachusetts…

    Peterborough, New Hampshire…

    Somewhere in New England, USA…

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    • Lucille says:

      Autumn in New England (Music by Vivaldi) with bench scene at beginning….

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      • the5thranchhand says:

        Thank you, thank you, thank you Lucille! The colors of The GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Holy One of Israel, are breathtaking! Actually there are no words to accurately describe them. And, the music was divine.

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        • Lucille says:

          Glad you enjoyed it, the5thranchhand. Antonio Vivaldi was such a gifted composer. His work filled volumes; however, this selection is probably his best known piece. All that beauty which we are entertained by and artists play today and yet he died penniless in 1741. Quite astonishing.


    • Ray Runge says:

      Thanks once again. The 30 foot ceilings that trees provide AND with fall color are a forever treat.

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      • Patrick Healy says:

        Thank you Lucille for that uplifting God given journey into heaven on earth.
        How can a country with such beauty harbour such evil as exists in the Demoncrat controlled areas?
        I suppose God gives and God takes away to display his power.


        • Lucille says:

          Patrick, it’s that pesky free will God has endowed us with…some choose evil over good and then proclaim that evil IS good. It’s all by choice.

          “…the soul is not moved to abandon higher things and love inferior things unless it wills to do so.”
          ― Augustine of Hippo, On Free Choice of the Will


      • Lucille says:

        My pleasure, Ray. I love benches and I love trees, relaxing to use and look at no matter the time of year; but autumn certainly favors the eye with many colors.


  5. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    Let’s Do Something…

    By Pastor Ricky Kurth

    …even if it’s wrong. Have you ever heard that platitude? In every dispensation, God has always had well-meaning children who served Him sincerely, but without an understanding of His rightly divided Word, and so did and taught things that were dispensationally wrong. But in every dispensation there have also been men like “the children of Issachar, which were men that had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do…” (1 Chron. 12:32), dispensationalists who knew where they stood in the program of God, and so knew how to do what is dispensationally right.

    We are not shy to unabashedly proclaim that in the present dispensation of grace, grace believers are the modern day men of Issachar! We have an understanding of the times. We know what the Body of Christ ought to be doing. But with great knowledge comes great responsibility! Why not get in the battle for truth? After all, it’s not what you know that counts, it’s what you “do” (Phil. 4:9) with what you know. Let’s do something now that we know that what we are doing is right.

    To the Reader:

    Some of our Two Minutes articles were written many years ago by Pastor C. R. Stam for publication in newspapers. When many of these articles were later compiled in book form, Pastor Stam wrote this word of explanation in the Preface:

    “It should be borne in mind that the newspaper column, Two Minutes With the Bible, has now been published for many years, so that local, national and international events are discussed as if they occurred only recently. Rather than rewrite or date such articles, we have left them just as they were when first published. This, we felt, would add to the interest, especially since our readers understand that they first appeared as newspaper articles.”

    To this we would add that the same is true for the articles written by others that we continue to add, on a regular basis, to the Two Minutes library. We hope that you’ll agree that while some of the references in these articles are dated, the spiritual truths taught therein are timeless.

    1 Chronicles 12:32 And of the children of Issachar, which were men that had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do; the heads of them were two hundred; and all their brethren were at their commandment.

    Philippians 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

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  6. Sentient says:

    Interesting clip of the Vindman twins from 1980’s Ken Burns video on PBS They’re at :40

    Also, photos of them through the years.

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    • topavalley says:

      From the Times of Israel article

      Like his brother, Yevgeny also serves on the National Security Council and reportedly accompanied Alexander as he reported concerns about the phone call with Zelensky to a White House lawyer.

      I would say this is a problem.


  7. Garrison Hall says:

    This is from one of Lyle Lovett’s finest albums. A number of years ago he recorded, “Step Inside This House:, a double CD on which he performs songs by mostly not-all-that-well-known Texas song writers. Some people claim that he’s “not commercial enough” which relegates him to the status of being “only” a regional musician. But, if you’ve ever attended one of his concerts, especially if he backed by his “large” band, he actually comes across as a splendid musician who can perfectly blend Southern blues with traditional country music.

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  8. Lucille says:

    Wynton Kelly Trio – “Autumn Leaves”

    Wynton Kelly (piano)
    Paul Chambers (bass)
    Jimmy Cobb (drums)

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  9. Dora says:

    Leo Putz – “Late Autumn” 1908

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  10. just stevie says:


    “But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Gal. vi. 14

    When a man is first born again, he becomes incoherent, there is an amount of unrelated emotion about him, unrelated phases of external things. In the apostle Paul there was a strong steady coherence underneath, consequently he could let his external life change as it liked and it did not distress him because he was rooted and grounded in God. Most of us are not spiritually coherent because we are more concerned about being coherent externally. Paul lived in the basement; the coherent critics live in the upper storey of the external statement of things, and the two do not begin to touch each other. Paul’s consistency was down in the fundamentals. The great basis of his coherence was the agony of God in the Redemption of the world, viz., the Cross of Jesus Christ.

    Re-state to yourself what you believe, then do away with as much of it as possible, and get back to the bedrock of the Cross of Christ. In external history the Cross is an infinitesimal thing; from the Bible point of view it is of more importance than all the empires of the world. If we get away from brooding on the tragedy of God upon the Cross in our preaching, it produces nothing. It does not convey the energy of God to man; it may be interesting but it has no power. But preach the Cross, and the energy of God is let loose. “It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.” “We preach Christ crucified.”

    Oswald Chambers
    November 25th Devotional

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    • Hoofhearted says:

      When first becoming a Christian by accepting Christ’s forgiveness, that was the most coherent my life have ever been. Life finally made sense. All else paled in comparison and the Lord made me aware of EXACTLY those things in my life that were harmful or meaningless. God’s spirit illuminated what I had to be willing to give up and what it meant to be a Christian BEFORE I made that decision as an act of my will. I was very coherent.

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      • just stevie says:

        This was Oswald Chambers experience and we know that not everyone’s experience is the same. Some may wonder after getting saved, okay…what’s next? What do I do with some of these things in my life now? That’s where the rest of his devotion comes in and nails it. Thanks for your post!


  11. Dora says:

    I hope he pardons both!

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  12. duchess01 says:

    Verse of the Day

    “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”
    Romans 1:20 (KJV)

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  13. Patrick Healy says:

    Thank you Lucille for that uplifting God given journey into heaven on earth.
    How can a country with such beauty harbour such evil as exists in the Demoncrat controlled areas?
    I suppose God gives and God takes away to display his power.


  14. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ infidels!

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  15. Dora says:

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  16. Skidroe says:

    USA should pass a law that immigrants that come into America cannot vote until the second or third generation. There are just way too many implants in local and federal governments.


  17. Skidroe says:

    It would also be better if they move the voting age back to where you have to be 21 years old.

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  18. pacnwbel says:

    Do you read Imprimis, the monthly publication from Hillsdale College?. This month the featured speaker, Roger Robinson Jr., is a financier, a former financial advisor to President Reagan, his specialty is China’s business and financial dealings. It is at once revealing and informative, especially as it relates to many major pension fund investment strategies among other noteworthy US technology transfers to China. Beg, borrow or steal a copy if necessary.

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  19. Skidroe says:

    USA needs to make Tougher restrictions on when immigrants can run for any political office.

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  20. czarowniczy says:

    And the Federal bureaucracy marches on.

    Congress told DoD and the VA to get their sheets together and have one seamless system for Active Duty and Veterans’ medical records. Sounds ‘right’ eh? Why not have one system where a service member’s records are immediately and seamlessly be available to the VA so that when/if the member transitions to the VA from military duty those records are immediately available in a joint format? Simple, eh? You’d think so.

    Both the VA and DoD are, years after being ordered to do so, are still having bureaucrat proctologists pull out reasons why it CAN’T be done. Rather than work together to come up WITH a system they’re going overboard coming up with reasons why they CAN’T. The civilian hospital systems wasted less time and energy implementing its own seamless records transference system than the VA and DoD have avoiding doing it.

    The Congress is saying it’s primarily a turf war and is unwilling to smack either of the idiots. I know that when my medical records from enlistment in 1965 thru Vietnam to discharge in ’69 – poof – just disappeared. Ditto my records from 1970 thru 1989 – poof – again disappeared. My Panama/Desert Storm records disappeared in 1991 only to be found in some clerks ‘Things To Eventually Do’ box in 1992 after a friend of mine in PERSCOM went looking for them. Those people in each branch of the military consider those records THEIRS, not yours, and they aren’t about to let some pissant thiong like your needs get in the way of their power. If the VA wants your medical records then let the VA file an official request and it will filter through each DoD agency’s bureaucratic chain until the little paper elves copy it, bundle it and send it out. If it gets lost along the way, sin loi, that’s YOUR problem, not THEIR’S.

    This is what Trump’s fighting, not only in theVA but those treasonous forces in the Beltway that are trying to dethrone him. The DC swamp that has gone after him is the same one Congress refuses to rein in, not only because many in Congress are swamp creatures themselves, but they benefit from that swamp. Jeffrey Epstein didn’t commit suicide and neither did the 300,000+ vets who died awaiting VA treatment.

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  21. lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  22. A prayer for Justice Kavanaugh and Col. Flynn:

    Prayer to St. Michael

    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle;
    be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
    and do you, O prince of the heavenly host,
    by the power of God,
    thrust into hell Satan and the other evil spirits
    who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  23. Sepp says:

    To Ponder

    Let me ponder on the courage of the Apostle Paul (Acts 28):

    1. How he lay in chains for two years in Rome.
    2. How he freely preached the Gospel to the pagans, fearing no man.
    3. How neither bonds nor imprisonment nor death could discourage him from preaching the Gospel.

    From “The Prologue from Ohrid” by Saint Nikolai (Serbian-born Bishop who reposed in the USA and was a former prisoner at Dachau) for today –
    November 12th –
    on the traditional Calendar of the Orthodox Christian Church.

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