Wednesday October 9th – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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  1. citizen817 says:

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  3. Garrison Hall says:

    I was looking for a guitar version of Debussy’s Arabesque but found this exquisite performance of it on the harp.

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  4. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    God’s Eternal Purpose

    Have you ever considered carefully the opening words of the Bible? “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” Why doesn’t it simply say that God created the Universe? Why the heaven and the earth?

    As we go on reading we find the answer to this question, for the Bible clearly teaches that God has a two-fold purpose; one having to do with the earth and the other with heaven. The former is the subject of prophecy, while the latter is the subject of the “mystery”, or secret, revealed to and through St. Paul. (See Acts 3:21; and cf. Romans 16:25). The former concerns Israel and the nations; the latter “the Body of Christ”, the Church of the heavenly calling.

    Some people are surprised to learn that there is not one promise in the whole Old Testament about going to heaven. There the whole outlook is earthly, with Messiah reigning as King (Jer.23:5; et al). When our Lord appeared in the flesh the angels cried: “Peace on earth” (Luke 2:14). He Himself said that “the meek” shall “inherit the earth” (Matt.5:5). He taught His disciples to pray: “Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven” (Matt.6:10).

    Even at Pentecost Peter declared that after “the restitution of all things” God would send Jesus back to earth and the times of refreshing would “come from the presence of the Lord” (Acts 3:19-21).

    Not until the raising up of Paul do we learn that now all believers in Christ are “baptized into one body” (ICor.12:13), and Colossians 1:5 and many other Pauline passages, speak of “the hope which is laid up for you IN HEAVEN”. Indeed, before God, believers are already given a position “in heavenly places” and are “blessed with all spiritual blessings IN [THE] HEAVENLIES in Christ” (Eph.1:3; 2:4-7).

    The prophecies regarding the Kingdom, however, will still be fulfilled and Christ will reign on earth and bring the promised “times of refreshing”. Thank God, this world will not forever be a place of war and bloodshed, sickness and death, misery and woe. Indeed, at that time, heaven and earth will be opened to each other, and thus will be fulfilled God’s two-fold purpose: “That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ…” (Eph.1:10).

    By Pastor Cornelius R. Stam

    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

    Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

    Luke 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
    Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;)

    Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

    Luke 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

    Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

    Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

    Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
    20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
    21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

    1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

    Colossians 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

    Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

    Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
    5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
    6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
    7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

    Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

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    • TMonroe says:

      “Some people are surprised to learn that there is not one promise in the whole Old Testament about going to heaven. There the whole outlook is earthly…”

      It is noteworthy that those in the nation of Israel in Old Testament times could have learned first about Enoch (that “God had taken him up” — cf. Hebrews 11:5, Genesis 5:24) and later that “the LORD took Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind” (cf. 2 Kings 2:1, 11), which figures to have informed their outlook.

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      • Linda K. says:

        Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 ESV / 20 helpful votes
        For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.


        • TMonroe says:

          Hebrews 11:5 “By faith Enoch was taken up so that he did not see death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.”

          Luke 9:28-31 “And it came to pass, about eight days after these sayings, and having taken Peter and John and James, He went up on the mountain to pray. And it came to pass in His praying, the appearance of His face was altered, and His clothing became dazzling white. And behold, two men began talking with Him, who were Moses and Elijah. Those having appeared in glory were speaking of His going out, which He was about to accomplish in Jerusalem.”

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        • Linda K. says:

          A list of prophesy in the Old Testament of a messiah.Kind of long..but not the promise of heaven here either, but of salvation.

          He would be born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14).
          He would have a throne, a kingdom and a dynasty, or house, starting with King David, that will last forever (2 Samuel 7:16).
          He would be called “Wonderful Counselor,” “Mighty God,” “Everlasting Father,” “Prince of Peace,” and would possess an everlasting kingdom (Isaiah 9:6-7).
          He would ride into Jerusalem on a donkey, righteous and having salvation, coming with gentleness (Zechariah 9:9-10).
          He would be pierced for our transgression and crushed for our iniquities (Isaiah 53:5).
          He would die among the wicked ones but be buried with the rich (Isaiah 53:9).
          He would be resurrected from the grave, for God would not allow His Holy One to suffer decay (Psalm 16:10).
          He would come again from the clouds of heaven as the Son of Man (Daniel 7:13-14).
          He would be the “Sun of Righteousness” for all who revere Him and look for His coming again (Malachi 4:2).
          He is the One whom Israel will one day recognize as the One they pierced, causing bitter grief (Zechariah 12:10).
          The prophecies about the Messiah were not a bunch of scattered predictions randomly placed throughout the Old Testament, but they form a unified promise-plan of God, where each promise is interrelated and connected into a grand series comprising one continuous plan of God. Thus, a unity builds as the story of God’s call on Israel, and then on the house of David, progresses in each part of the Old Testament.

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    • Pew-Anon says:

      “Have you ever considered carefully the opening words of the Bible? “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” Why doesn’t it simply say that God created the Universe? Why the heaven and the earth?”

      Because “heaven and earth” is ancient cosmic geography language, which is how the the ancient world view of the OT understood creation. Creation for them meant the ordering of the world, from a state of disorder, or chaos. And order for them meant a fit habitation for deity and for man, as opposed to chaos which meant unfit for habitation. Creation in the ancient mind had nothing to do with bringing about the physical existence of a material “universe”, as we in modernity understand such things. They had no conceptual framework within which to ask such questions. For them, creation meant habitable order, not existence. And as one reads through the first two chapters of Genesis, one will find the other elements of ancient cosmic geography in plain view – the firmament, the land arising from the sea, the celestial functionaries, the salt water surrounding the land and the fresh water beneath it, etc. – all magnificently re-imagined into a polemic that upends the canonical creation myths of the broader Ancient Near East and ascribes credit for creation order to the national God of Israel, over and above all other claimants. From this perspective, that of its own ancient context, the biblical creation truth claims can be viewed as completely inspired and completely true, with absolutely no need to comply with the standards of any other context or world view for validity.

      Even our afterlife concepts of a heaven above and a hell beneath in modern Christianity are interpretive adaptations that have their roots in ancient cosmic geography. Does this make them somehow invalid or untrue? Only if one demands that the framework, within which the truth claims are made, conform to standards foreign to its own context. But when allowed to remain in its own context, when allowed to just be what it is, an inspired and ancient text, the bible makes truth claims that transcend all other contexts. The “what”, “how”, and even the “where” or “when” as read in the biblical text is simply the ancient framework. Don’t get caught up obsessing over the framework. It’s not the point. The real point of biblical truth claims is to be found in the “Who”, the truth of which transcends all frameworks and is beholden to none.


  5. David says:

    American friends. Today is the Yom Kippur (Day of atonement).The holiest day of the Jewish religion. A time when people are fasting (no food and no water) and praying for forgiveness for their sins. I attached here the prayer from the Western Wall (or Wailing Wall). It’s the only wall that the Romans Left when they destroyed the Second temple in Jerusalem. I will post a translation of the prayer separately. It’s one of the oldest forgiveness poems ever written by humans and it’s poet is unknown. See attachment from Jerusalem:

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  6. David says:

    LORD OF FORGIVENESS. (Note that every line begins with the next alphabetical letter in order
    In Hebrew)
    Master of Forgivings (Adon Haselichot)
    examiner of hearts. (Bochum Halevavaot)
    the revealer of depths (Chosef haomakim)
    speaker of justice. (Dover a zedikot)

    We have sinned before You, (Chatanu lefanecha)
    have mercy upon us. (Rachem Alenu)
    Glorious in wonders (adir beniflaot)
    great in consolations. (Adir Benechamot)
    remembering the covenant of his nation
    investigating innihilation

    We have sinned before You, (chatanu lefanech)
    have mercy upon us. (Rachem Alenu)
    Full of gaining (male hazlachot)
    his entreaty is awesome
    drops evils to the ground (Zorek resha laadamot)
    answers sorrows

    We have sinned before You, (hatanu lefanecha)
    have mercy upon us. (Rachem Alenu)

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  7. Lucille says:


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  8. icanhasbailout says:

    800k people in CA (SF region) to lose electricity

    “Local officials are taking the message seriously, warning residents to be ready for a power outage lasting five days or more.”

    California is all but officially a third world country now. They cannot even keep the electricity on.

    (PG&E’s service page is down… how fitting)

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    • topavalley says:

      Amid the threat of an unprecedented power outage in Northern California, a local police department posted a tongue-in-cheek instructional message on its Facebook page that has been shared nearly 40,000 times.

      The Pleasanton Police Department in Alameda County shared a map of California on Tuesday indicating where power outages could occur. But instead of highlighting the 34 counties affected by Pacific Gas & Electric’s decision to shut off electricity in an effort to avoid possible wildfires sparked by power lines downed by high winds, in the Pleasanton police map, the entire state was marked out in red. Alongside the image were rather unique instructions on how to prepare.

      “If you come home and everything is dark and nothing works, then yes, you are experiencing a power shutdown. Remain calm. Use your cell phone light to search frantically for the one flashlight you think you have in the house. It will be dead of course. Search for batteries. You will need four but only find three,” one tip read.


  9. citizen817 says:

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  10. Lucille says:

    Autumn Sea

    Video Notes: Probably everyone likes to have a rest by the sea, to look into the endless distance, to hear seaguls and splashes of water. Usually it happens in summer. But the Autumn sea has its own magic as well. The video was shot in the beginning of October on the shores of two seas: The Nothern sea and The Baltic sea. Hope you enjoy this.
    DoP: Andrey Skripnichenko
    Music: Valentin & Stendahl – Track from Unreleased

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  11. citizen817 says:

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  12. citizen817 says:

    This 👇is great!

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    • CountryDoc says:

      Tears. Thank you. Anyone know where the original documentation of the report of the bodies holding up the flagpole can be found?


    • Cisco says:

      Back in the day when a man-of-war under sail met another of the enemy and came literally cannon muzzle to cannon muzzle, the lowering of one of the warships national flag was a sign of surrender, striking of the colors.
      During the sea battle between the Bon Homme Richard under the command of John Paul Jones and the British ship Seripis (sp) the mast flying the American flag was hit and both fell to the deck of the BHR.
      The captain of the Seripis thinking the BHR was surrendering called to Jones “sir have you struck your colors”?
      “I have not begun to fight” was Jones reply.
      The battle continued to rage with the BHR so badly damaged that it eventually sunk.
      But not before Jones and his crew boarded the now captured Seripis.
      That’s my recollection of the incident.
      No google or wikipedia used.
      History lesson when history was taught.
      Just thought I’d pass it along.

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  13. Dora says:

    William Merritt Chase – Shinnecock Hills, Long Island, 1895

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  14. Dora says:

    He is not mentally ill. He is evil.

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    • Pale rider says:

      He knew the truth, probably more knowledge of God the Bible and spirit than many but turned his back on God. How great a step would insanity be? I say the moment he turned his back to God he was insane.
      If you know not the truth you have hope but when you know the truth you are held responsible for that knowledge.


    • SouthernHeart says:

      Amen, Dora!!


  15. just stevie says:


    “Yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.” Romans vi. 13-22

    I cannot save and sanctify myself; I cannot atone for sin; I cannot redeem the world; I cannot make right what is wrong, pure what is impure, holy what is unholy. That is all the sovereign work of God. Have I faith in what Jesus Christ has done? He has made a perfect Atonement, am I in the habit of constantly realizing it? The great need is not to do things, but to believe things. The Redemption of Christ is not an experience, it is the great act of God which He has performed through Christ, and I have to build my faith upon it. If I construct my faith on my experience, I produce that most unscriptural type, an isolated life, my eyes fixed on my own whiteness. Beware of the piety that has no pre-supposition in the Atonement of the Lord. It is of no use for anything but a sequestered life; it is useless to God and a nuisance to man. Measure every type of experience by our Lord Himself. We cannot do anything pleasing to God unless we deliberately build on the pre-supposition of the Atonement.

    The Atonement of Jesus has to work out in practical, unobtrusive ways in my life. Every time I obey, absolute Deity is on my side, so that the grace of God and natural obedience coincide. Obedience means that I have banked everything on the Atonement, and my obedience is met immediately by the delight of the supernatural grace of God.

    Beware of the piety that denies the natural life, it is a fraud. Continually bring yourself to the bar of the Atonement – where is the discernment of the Atonement in this thing, and in that?

    Oswald Chambers
    October 9th Devotional

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  16. duchess01 says:

    Verse of the Day

    “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
    Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

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  17. Dora says:

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  18. Herbert Kroll says:

    Peter Schweizer has a new YT channel, the Drill. This is his episode with his findings on Google and election interference:


  19. Dora says:

    Very interesting. And gorgeous too. We sure have a beautiful country.


    Petroglyphs in Mesa Verde

    Mesa Verde is gorgeous.


  20. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ infidels!

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  21. Dora says:

    This should be the final proof that he is a heretic.


    Francis: Jesus Was “Not A God At All”


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    • Lucille says:

      If Jesus Christ was not, as Francis claims, God/Man on earth, then this verse would be blasphemy with Jesus saying he would build a human church in which He would be worshipped: Matthew 16:18 – And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

      And does Francis believe that this Scripture verse does NOT speak of Jesus Christ: Isaiah 9:6 – For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

      And then there are these verses inspired by God the Father Himself…

      Matthew 1:23: “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).

      John 20:28: Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

      Francis must continue to be outed as the compromiser that he is.

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  22. czarowniczy says:

    Well it’s in the fan now, Turkey has begun its offensive in NE Syria, there have been air and artillery strikes which presumably presage a ground assault. Turkish airstrikes mean that the WH may well have overridden the Pentagon’s order for Turkish aircraft to stand down. This may well overshadow the impeachment issue and, depending upon how the foreign and domestic press handle it, be more bad news for Trump’s public numbers.

    Look for endless streams of pictures of dirty, Kurdish children among smoking ruins; videos of hysterical and frantic mothers talking of horrors brought on by the Turkish advance. Look for MSM to creatively blame it all on Trump as the scenes play out on the dinnertime news.

    Reality is that there’s probably nothing Trump could have done, Turkey displayed its ability to flip to Russia in a snap if the US tried to stop it and Turkey most likely would have fired back had US planes tried to stop them from attacking Kurdish positions and Turkey has those S-400s to counter US aircraft trying to break up Turkish ground attacks. If the US and Turkey got into it what kind of a mess would that be, throughout the Mideast.

    Turkey’s been hunting Kurds for decades and won’t stop until the Kurds are gone. We’ve always sort of turned a blind eye, as in northern Iraq after Desert Storm, as long as the Turks killed them inside of Turkey or didn’t go too far into Iraq. This time the US’s badly thought out decision to give the well-armed Kurds an enclave not only on Turkey’s border but in territory claimed by Turkey precipitated this, Trump’s stuck with a meal prepared by the Obama Administration and he’s gonna have a hard time not choking on it.


  23. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    Gird your loins…

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  24. Lucille says:

    Pope installs new cardinals who “share his vision for social justice, rights of immigrants and dialogue with Islam”
    October 8, 2019 by Christine Douglass-Williams

    “Pope Francis installed new cardinals…. putting his stamp on the future of the Roman Catholic Church with men who share his vision for social justice, the rights of immigrants and dialogue with Islam.”


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  26. Sepp says:

    Saint John the Theologian, Apostle and Evangelist

    He was the son of Zebedee the fisherman and Salome the daughter of Joseph the Betrothed of the Holy Mother of God. Called by the Lord Jesus, John immediately left his father and the fishing nets and followed Christ with his brother James. From that time, he was not parted from his Lord until the end.

    He was over 100 years old when he went to the Lord. He is commemorated today – September 26th – on the traditional Calendar of the Orthodox Christian Church.


  27. auscitizenmom says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  28. auscitizenmom says:

    A prayer for Justice Kavanaugh and Gen. Flynn:

    Prayer to St. Michael

    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle;
    be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
    and do you, O prince of the heavenly host,
    by the power of God,
    thrust into hell Satan and the other evil spirits
    who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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