Rudy Giuliani Gives His Perspective of “Fishy” Custodial Death of Jeffrey Epstein…

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani combines his first-hand-knowledge of the Metropolitian Correctional Center (MCC), along with his perspective of what processes and systems are in place, to give his perspective about the suspicious custodial death of Jeffrey Epstein.

“There is no excuse for this”…

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309 Responses to Rudy Giuliani Gives His Perspective of “Fishy” Custodial Death of Jeffrey Epstein…

  1. ChampagneReady says:

    I’m really concerned they are going to do the same offing of Julian Assange. There is just no way they are ever going to let him get to the courtroom where he testifies.

    He has enough in that WikiLeaks underground mountain location that can be backed by proof to single-handedly bring down Clinton, Muller and O-B-A-M-A.

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    • YY4U says:

      You can bet Julian Assange has a “dead man drop” and that’s probably the only reason he is still alive. Why is Snowden still alive? My bet it is the same reason. These are computer wizards. You can bet whatever they’ve set up cannot be stopped. Epstein was a sex trafficker and blackmailer. Not a computer guru. He no doubt left black books and journals and the likes, but they can be easily disposed of — as they probably are being as this is being typed. If FBI were looking for evidence at his private playground wouldn’t they have looked for it while he was still alive so they could prosecute him?

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      • I had the same thought, YY4U, that he had a contingency plan.

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      • David A says:

        It makes no sense to me that Epstein, a multi millionaire, would not have a similar and effective dead-man switch.

        At this point we do not know what happened. If the photos of dead Epstein are real, that was not his body, and he is yet living.

        Again, IF thus is so two likely scenarios. One, the deep state has him. Two, Trump’s DOJ has him. One is perhaps more likely

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        • lurker2 says:

          Epstein was enough of a dummy to keep a lot of incriminating evidence on his properties.

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          • 2zymos says:

            Premise: Epstein was running a blackmail operation IN ADDITION to his sex traffic (pedophile/ephebophile) in concert with one or more “intel operations” with a private part of the “business on the side… this always was INTENTIONALLY a complex “enterprise”.
            Implication: If your operation is blackmail, you have a “business risk” in that you must develop, organize, store and then distribute RECORDS in various forms. Without the “records” there is no blackmail “op”
            Secondary Premise: “They” NEVER had intent to prosecute — anyone who did have intent to prosecute gets blackmailed or “worse”!
            Implication: Any “raid” is effectively a “hostile takeover” of the blackmail stash until
            “proven otherwise”… count on it.

            Epstein “takeout” will eventually turn out to be a quite complex operation (massive understatement here): as will Assange… and also Snowden. We’re ALL conspiracy theorists at this point.
            Two resolutions (in broad terms)
            1. Overt brute force on Nat Sec grounds (rifles and such) with spec ops forces
            2. State sponsored covert surveillance techniques (sat, cell phone, recon and exploit teams using “national technical assets” and Military Intel and likely military TRIALS — by the “good guys”.
            Not so much traditional criminal investigations, grand juries, “normal trials”…

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  2. citizen817 says:

    Audio only (10:48)
    Tom Fitton on Epstein

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    • Beau Geste says:

      There are many “conspiracy” theories about epstein’s alleged death. Rumors there were screams, there were visitors, there was a cellmate for some indeterminate time, the body has an earshape different that earlier living pictures, the guards were tired (maybe bribed or sedated by their coffee). Epstein was suggested by former prosecutor Acosta to be an intelligence asset, so if we know the capability of a wealthy prisoner like el chapo to organize an escape, what can the US or foreign intelligence agencies organize with vastly superior assets and planning? ….etcetera.

      The first issue to resolve is whether there is actually a dead person, and is that person Epstein? This should be very easy, if the FBI could be trusted. but the FBI and CIA are not trusted, and likely very untrustworthy.

      Epstein has an “estranged” brother. There needs to be DNA confirmation. A private escape plan, and/or US or foreign intelligence agency escape plan would have thought this through, with likely prediction and preemption.
      There need to be DNA samples from the alleged Epstein body, and any of his relatives. Multiple samples need to be taken in public, with video, and completely trustworthy chain of custody. Multiple samples need to be distributed to unpredictable, trustworthy groups, in different countries, for analysis. For example, Judicial Watch, but not the clinton foundation…(ha).
      If epstein has escaped and a (true!) body-double substituted, fooling a DNA test will have been pre-planned. Epstein’s own DNA could have been pre-planned to be substituted for testing. So, the many body tissue samples taken and distributed in videoed public from the cadaver should be from “unpre-plannable tissue”, such as brain, heart (penis?- attempt at humor..). On the other side, samples from a “body-double’s” relative could be pre-planned to be substituted for samples from epstein’s brother and any other relatives. So, a similar public sampling (swabs, phlebotomy, whatever) must occur, with multiple unpredictable recipients, for testing at multiple, unpredictable laboratories.

      AG Barr’s credibility is on the line.

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      • nbkilgore says:

        Hmmm, two of the victims (in the Epstein Doc Dump) described his penis as egg shaped, you’re probably onto something there. Either way, this situation stinks all the way around. MCC NY SHU where Epstein was supposedly kept contradicts everything I’ve ever known about US DOJ/BOP/FCI & USMO Standard of Operational Procedures. The SHU, a jail within a jail is where the SOP standards are much higher, it suppose to have maximum control. The BOP/FCI SOP/Policies are derived from inmate case laws and years of trial & error, standards go up not down. If the MCC NY Warden has been placed on administrative leave, then the shift commander, SCO, CO and control room operator are too. So a lot of things just don’t add up, two High Value Inmates housed in the SHU (JE & El Chapo) one lives and the other dies? US BOP is under the US DOJ AG’s umbrella just like the FBI, need not say anymore, JSMDH!

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        • nbkilgore says:

          Forgot to add another key note, a good starting point is to FOIA MCC NY, focusing on the Classification Officer and Unit Manager. So when or if the FOIA documents come out, scrutinize these two areas than work your way up.

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  3. Justin Green says:

    Another possibility is that Epstein just paid a bunch of people for his own escape and pretended to hang himself. He could afford to pay off a lot of people.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      He was taken to a hospital and then an autopsy was done on him. Every single person at the correctional center, the hospital, and morgue would have had to be in on the scam. There’s pretty much a 0% possibility of that.

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      • Beau Geste says:

        There is a proven excellent possibility of that – el chapo almost got away, and he wasn’t even government-supported as an “intelligence asset”, as former prosecutor Acosta suggested in testimony to Congress.

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      • Unfortunately we live in an age where we have to ask who the benefactors of that hospital are, who was the coroner and who the morgue has as patrons.

        WE have now seen in 3 years how possible is what we would have all believe impossible.

        There is nothing too outlandish for a group that exonerated Hillary, did nothing about her sabotage (while putting a sailor who took a picture of a boat that is no longer even a threat in prison) and gave immunity to all who were questioned about her

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      • covfefe999, with respect, 98% of D.C, our state department and activists judges are ‘in’ on this coup attempt. There is 0% possibility that your claim can be accepted without question.

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        • farrier105 says:

          If the goal of this operation, which includes acting contrary to the original Southern District of Florida plea bargain deal with Epstein, is to appropriate all of Epstein’s blackmail material then Epstein was assassinated in prison. Assassination in prison is not a difficult thing for power people to do. It has happened many times before. Private interests can do it, like the Mafia, and the US Government has the easiest time as they control access to the target, and control all witnesses, both convicts and prison staff. Leaving Epstein alive would be the mistake. Telling what the blackmail operation was all about, who was being controlled through it and by whom, is too much for the Establishment to leave dangling. As of now, all the material is in the hands of new owners and one hanging thread has been cut.

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      • YY4U says:

        covfefe999 — I believe he is dead — BUT — never discount the possibility that the necessary people couldn’t be paid off or coerced. Stranger things have happened. Look at all those involved with the spying on the Trump campaign, the Trump transition and the attempted coup after he took office. Would anyone have believed before it happened that THAT MANY government employees could be involved in an attempted coup and NOBODY spilled the beans? At least not so far. That nobody would be punished?

        So don’t tell me rolling a body out of a prison, into an ambulance, into a morgue — one of the least “populated” departments in a hospital (at least with living people)–at the hospital at which I worked. How many would have to be paid off or coerced? Not as many as in the attempted coup certainly. Granted the pathologist would be difficult to compromise, but then I thought the FBI would be difficult to compromise, and yet….

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    • sickrickfl says:

      As do the powerful people that fear a “deadman switch” of incriminating information, should he meet an untimely demise.

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  4. RobInPA says:

    Nice try, but. . .

    “I’m the boss!” – AOC

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  5. covfefe999 says:

    Rudy repeated the unsubstantiated rumor that the “camera wasn’t working”. Normal cells are not monitored by cameras. Even inmates have a right to a reasonable amount of privacy unless there is some extraordinary circumstance, e.g., high risk of suicide.

    I also take issue with his statements about the possibility of another inmate killing him. In a prison, absolutely. Prisoners have already been convicted and there are a good number who are in for life and have little or nothing to lose by killing another inmate. But at the MCC the inmates are fighting their cases, trying to be free again, they’re not going to add to their current woes an extra murder case unless there’s some kind of super personal vendetta.

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    • steph_gray says:

      Excellent point, covfefe –

      But that leads me to wonder – what if one was promised some special help for his case?

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    • sickrickfl says:

      Sorry to disagree on 2 points. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY in jail/prison. He was in a “special holding unit” – not genpop – with much closer monitoring.

      The prisoner who has enough potentially damaging info on a large number of prominent people, should have been under the strictest observation. Even Clinton fans wanted to know the truth about his escapes.

      This was a massive screwup – whether by intent or neglect.

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    • If you are going to quibble with Rudy, why don’t you find the interview with the former prison warden who substantiates it?

      Your naivete is sweet or your fear is blocking you from examining corroborated evidence from several people.

      When I was a leftist this was a favorite tactic, to listen ONLY to what I wanted to hear and to search out people who thought like me…and we of course were all in agreement that those who disagreed were too delusional to even be considered..and so we never NEVER read the other side’s arguments.

      That doesn’t work out so well. Check out every Democratic (or uniparty) run entity, from education to energy to cities to housing…..to prisons.
      In California, the prison guards, indian casinos and teachers unions rule, shutting out all opposition…and of course the EPA.

      By all means find an echo chamber that supports your thinking but my friend, I’m afraid that once I turned my back on that type of reasoning there was no going back to it.

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      • lurker2 says:

        Do you have a link to the info you are claiming is true? Because I just posted something that contradicts it, see my post directly above.

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    • permiejack says:

      As far as I know their is no “Right to Privacy” not in the constitution. The Bill of Rights includes some like private personal information, search and seizures, is there privacy expected in public places? Ask the paparazzi? Is a prison a public place? I guess if there is toilet it may be considered a private place.
      FOURTH AMENDMENT-PRISON CELLS: IS THERE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY?
      Hudson v. Palmer, 104 S. Ct. 3194 (1984). I. INTRODUCTION
      In Hudson v. Palmer,1 the United States Supreme Court held for the first time that the fourth amendment does not protect prisoners
      from searches of their personal property by correctional officers.2 The Court held that prisoners have no reasonable expectation of
      privacy in their prison cells that must be protected by the fourth amendment.3 Although several circuits have recognized that pris- oners have a “limited privacy right” in their prison cells entitling them to the protection of the fourth amendment, 4 the Hudson deci- sion eliminates any possibility that prisoners could invoke the fourth amendment to protect their property from search or seizure by state
      employees.
      https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6436&context=jclc

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    • farrier105 says:

      Someone had to make their way to Epstein’s cell to kill him. They would be filmed all the way there. You check the timestamps with time of the killing, along with the location the “visitor” or prison employee was photographed by the surveillance system, you have a suspect. No camera footage was ever produced from the Federal Transfer Facility in Oklahoma City for the night Kenneth Trentadue was tortured to death in his cell, for example. It is suspected that Trentadue bore a close resemblance, including a dragon tattoo on a forearm, to an Aryan Republican Army bank robbery suspect. After Trentadue’s torture/murder, the government apprehended the right suspect. That suspect hanged himself in his cell. Make of that what you will.

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  6. Bendix says:

    It would be nice if people on this site would quit using the term, “conspiracy theories” (which has become a pejorative to shut down any questioning of The Narrative) when discussing any thoughts our fellow Treepers may have.
    If someone raises a point that cannot be so, and another Treeper points out why it cannot, that is all well and good.
    However I sense a mocking tone in some of this dialog.
    This reminds me of how the MSM always, ALWAYS characterized candidate and then President Trump’s speech as “rhetoric”.

    Somethiing happened that should not have been allowed to occur. In order for that to have taken place, more than one person had to do something that should not have been done, or not do something that should have.
    Rod Rosenstein says that people in these situations commit suicide all the time.
    EXACTLY! All the more reason to investigate.

    I saw yesterday, New YorkMayor de Blasio was accused of venturing into tinfoil hat territory, for mentioning that the Epstein case is suspicious (sorry can’t find the link).

    When Barr’s investigators, if they are serious, look into this suspicious death, that is what they will do, theorize about what may have happened, and then look for evidence which supports or negates those theories.

    I think a lot of people’s “theories”, especially Sundance’s, helped get Donald Trump into the White House.

    So theorize away! It is not only our right to question what the ‘authorities’ tell us. It is our duty.

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    • Agreed.

      ‘Conspiracy theories’ used contemptuously USED to be a method to shut down people….until these theories began to be substantiated one by one as valid.

      Those here who think to intimidate by using conspiracy theory derisively don’t understand that derision has lost as much power to intimidate as ‘racism’ and ‘sexist’.

      Conspiracy theory is a very apt term. There IS a conspiracy. We HAVE identified it. Until it is proven it IS a theory.

      Those who think to use it as a hammer against other treepers are outing themselves by using methods used extensively by those Sundance created this site to overcome.

      Sundance in the early years, according to his own witness, was dismissed as a crank. Now his audience is astonishing.

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    • lurker2 says:

      It’s OK to call Epstein’s death “suspicious”. But people need to also consider that it might have been a plain old suicide. There seem to be many in these threads who refuse to acknowledge it. They create theories that don’t fit the evidence, or that are only partial theories that have no plausibility if worked out all of the way.

      Example: proposing that Epstein faked his death and that was some other guy in the hospital photo. There is no plausibility there. It would require EVERYONE at the MCC, at the hospital, and at the morgue to be on board with the scheme.

      Example: proposing that Barr is corrupt because he wasn’t right there in the facility to monitor Epstein 24×7 and because he said there will be an investigation … that’s just whacked out crazy. This is a good forum and there should be no place here for such nonsense.

      People need to stay grounded. Base theories on facts and available evidence. If you have a theory and the facts and evidence don’t fit it, then it’s more likely than not that your theory is wrong.

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  7. scrap1ron says:

    In our maxi-max facility (for inmates who can’t play well or get along with other inmates usually from other max facilities or known gang troublemakers) where I worked there are video cameras covering the hallways of each gallery. When we had to suit up with hats & bats for a cell extraction, 6 man stack shield man in front, an officer followed with a video camera to record the confrontation. CS tear gas is deployed first to persuade the con to come out without a fight. For a medical emergency or suicide attempt a camera man also came with us, however no cameras were stationed inside the cells. The cameras in the hallways, with sound recording of course, will show if the officers made timely rounds and if the times logged in the logbook match what’s on the video. Epstein is a special case, maybe they did have a video camera monitoring his cell. However, except for after-the fact, what good is that unless you have someone watching the video feed as it’s happening?

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  8. Chewbarkah says:

    Only a few weeks before his death, Epstein experienced some sort of incident in his cell — either a suicide or murder attempt. His attorneys used this to argue for bail, which undermined the credibility. But with that background, there is no excuse for a failure to monitor Epstein, including camera surveillance, even if that was not standard procedure for “normal” cases. This one wasn’t.

    Epstein’s attorneys supposedly petitioned for him to be taken off suicide watch. If this is actually true, it is another very suspicious circumstance. Were they in on clearing the decks for whatever happened? Did Epstein instruct them to make the request, or some entity, e.g., Mossad, CIA, FBI?

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    • David A says:

      “Epstein’s attorneys supposedly petitioned for him to be taken off suicide watch. ”

      Then the prior incident was an assault- murder attempt. It is not conceivable that he would be removed as a suicide risk within a week or two of an attempted suicide. No honest judge would agree to this.

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      • lurker2 says:

        Here’s my theory: he attempted to commit suicide, they put him on suicide watch, he couldn’t bear it and begged his attorneys to get him off, the attorneys made up a story about someone beating up Epstein, they took him off suicide watch.

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    • farrier105 says:

      They put Manafort in solitary for his “security,” remember? That WAS the alleged reason for Manafort’s placement in solitary confinement. Yet, Epstein was not given solitary confinement. Now, I am sure people will say, “They thought he was suicidal.” No, they took him OFF suicide watch.

      They put him in prison, despite Mueller’s FBI reporting that Epstein fulfilled the requirements of his plea agreement, and Epstein served out his wrist-slapping sentence. They put Epstein in prison in order to kill him. It isn’t any more complicated than that. The entire upper echelon on the government, and a few people a couple of rungs lower, know that Epstein was murdered. Big shot Republicans as well as Big Shot Democrats know very well Epstein was murdered.

      I mean, get real already.

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  9. Ljh says:

    This episode proves that corruption has tentacles into the most secure federal jails. Will future high profile prisoners with political connections be held elsewhere while awaiting trial eg by the military ie at Gitmo?

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    • lurker2 says:

      It doesn’t prove anything yet. Right now the best explanation that fits the evidence is that Epstein committed suicide. If new evidence pops up that contradicts suicide then go off in some other direction. But to do so now is just pure unsubstantiated guessing. That correctional center has held a lot higher profile people than Epstein. They’re not incompetent there.

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  10. Do Stop Thinking About Tomorrow says:

    It will be amazing when this is all over how much this great intell lines up with the facts. Like the Caves of Toro Boro remember all those fancy graphics of the insides.

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  11. TwoLaine says:

    Thank God they don’t have Julian Assange, yet.

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    • scrap1ron says:

      He’s no safer in the UK. The Europhiles that infest the UK, especially those in their secret service want Assange dead too.

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      • TwoLaine says:

        Of course, they all do. He simply showed them all to be the money-hungry power-grabbing idiots that they are.

        Using a password of password. 😉

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  12. TwoLaine says:

    I am sure they are holding his autopsy results because time of death does not jive with the facts on hand. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

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    • lurker2 says:

      Don’t get caught in the trap of thinking that when the full info is released if it doesn’t match your theory then it’s some kind of coverup. And also work your theory out to the fullest extent. Think about what someone would need to do to kill him and then make sure it’s all covered up. There are lots of people working in that facility, lots of inmates, staff at the hospital, etc. There’s video of the hallways and other areas. They would all need to be part of the coverup. Very very unlikely. ABC is reporting that Epstein’s attorneys worked to get him off of suicide watch. Suicide watch is brutal and invasive. If true, are they part of the coverup too? Did they set him up to be murdered? If you have a theory it has to all be worked out. It has to make sense.

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  13. Thomas J. Minnehan says:

    Maxwell has been found. Wonder how long it will take the fbi to get around to issuing a warrent or interviewing her. It took them several weeks to search the island, reportedly after computers were already gone.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-14/epsteins-madam-found-ghislaine-maxwell-living-tech-ceo-3m-mansion-near-boston

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    • lurker2 says:

      She’s British. I wonder how she’s spending so much time in the US. And who’s going to pay her keep now?

      oooh, at least one victim has not filed suit against Maxwell. Good. Time to sue Sarah Vickers too. Vickers probably has more money anyway thanks to her hubby.

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  14. dawg says:

    This article popped up a week or so ago and something jumped out at me. Note the things I highlighted in ALL CAPS. The point of my post follows, with questions and possible answers….

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/the-epstein-scandal-spirals-a-new-focus-on-clinton

    “Court Papers To Be Released in days contain names like Nathan Myhrvold, Bill Richardson, and George Mitchell—and it’s only the beginning…”

    —————-

    “Myhrvold has been close with Epstein for years. A source told me that Epstein visited Myhrvold’s investment firm, Intellectual Ventures, and brought along “YOUNG GIRLS” WHO LOOKED LIKE “RUSSIAN MODELS ”

    ————-

    “Maxwell recruited her from the spa at Mar-a-Lago in the summer of 2000 when Giuffre was 16. Giuffre, who at the time went by her maiden name, Virginia Roberts, had been a child sexual abuse victim. She told Brown she believed Epstein would help her get back on her feet. Instead, Giuffre said, Epstein and Maxwell sex trafficked her around the world. “It started with one and it trickled into two and so on,” Roberts told the Herald. “And before you know it, I’m being lent out to POLITICIANS AND ACADEMICS AND ROYALTY.” Roberts told the paper Epstein’s “appetite was insatiable. HE WANTED NEW GIRLS, FRESH, YOUNG FACES EVERY DAY—that was just the sickness that he had.”

    ————-

    “The period when Giuffre was in Epstein’s orbit was also a time during which Epstein was forging his relationships with his most famous friends, including Bill Clinton.”

    —————

    “ACCORDING to a person close to Clinton……….Maxwell also helped Clinton secure a six-figure investment FROM EPSTEIN THAT PROVIDED SOME SEED MONEY FOR THE CLINTON GLOBAL INITIATIVE in 2005, the source said.”

    —————

    “………no one has yet provided a convincing explanation for how he made his fortune(Epstein).”

    ————-

    END OF ARTICLE

    So, Ive got a line of thinking going on here and I’ll try to expound on it later, but it goes something like this….two parallel tracks, possibly converging, try to follow….

    When the Trump Tower meeting happened, and Don Jr said Veselnitskaya wanted to talk about adoptions, I looked into it and learned about the Magnitsky Act. Regardless of whether or not Magnitsky or Browder were right or the Russian govt stole the money or killed Magnitsky, or any of that, this happened:

    1. Pres Obama and SecState Hillary were attempting to BLOCK the Magnitsky Act, which the large majority of the senate supported, (read this in an old NYT article, its out there somewhere)
    2. Obama, under pressure, eventually signs a LIMITED version of it
    3. Billions of dollars of assets of many Russian officials and oligarchs are FROZEN, and their VISAs to the US revoked
    4. Russia responds by putting a BAN on adoption of Russian youth by Americans, (the Dima Yakovlev Act)

    ???

    That seems an odd response to billions of dollars of assets and revoked VISAs of dozens of high level officials and oligarchs. The Magnitsky Act was described as a huge setback to US-Russian relations by Putin himself. So he puts a stop to Americans adopting Russian orphans?

    As the kids are saying these days, “Is that even, like, a thing?” Are there lots of Americans adopting Russian orphans?

    So, thats Track A.

    Track B is Jeffrey Epstein.

    One thing that kept popping up in my mind while reading about the Epstein thing is “Where did Epstein keep getting all these young girls?”

    Ive seen numerous references to young, Russian and Eastern European girls being controlled by Epstein and Maxwell.

    If Epstein was in fact blackmailing people for pedophilia, he had to have a reliable, consistent stream of minors coming in.

    Without minors, you cant blackmail for pedophilia. The girls age, and before long, they are no longer minors.

    Need more minors.

    Did that pipeline come from Russia govt? Did our Deep State have a deal with Russia to supply the means by which to blackmail people?

    Did Putin know this and thats why they retaliated for the Magnitsky Act by cutting off that pipeline?

    Just a thought. Maybe crazy.

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  15. plane of the ecliptic says:

    We know at least one truth, regardless of his death….all of the Epstein files will be in the hands of the keepers of blackmail files, AKA FBI, (AKA Federal Blackmail Inventory). Serving as your Nations premier keeper of blackmail files since the 1930s.

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  16. CNN_sucks says:

    Epstein has suddenly silent after being outed that they were the one requested to take him off suicide watch….why?

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