Sunday August 4th – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL. For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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  1. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    Important Contrasts in the Bible

    When parents are blessed with both a daughter and a son, there are obvious differences. Each has his or her own distinct looks, clothing, goals, and requirements. Both are recognized for their God-given differences, and loved separately, yet equally. Even after they have children of their own, this continues to be true. In a similar way, God established two distinctly different programs and peoples in the Bible. One is the children of Israel, who were given the Mosaic Law as their instructions and to whom nearly two thirds of the Bible was written, and the other is the sons and daughters of God in the Body of Christ, who are under Grace.

    The Nation of Israel

    There are several specific reasons why God made the nation of Israel His “special people” (Deut. 7:6). It begins with the persistent rebellion of man very early in history. We learn from Romans 1:21-32 that even “when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God.” Mankind plunged so deeply into idolatry and immorality that they sank to the level where “they did not like to retain God in their knowledge.” Since man was created as a free moral agent with choice, God did not force man to have a relationship with Him. However, He was not willing to stand idly by and allow the entire human race to foolishly run down a course leading to the eternal Lake of Fire, so He intervened by establishing the nation of Israel.

    When Abram was called to become the father of Israel, God promised him three things: “I will make of thee a great nation… and make thy name great… and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed” (Gen. 12:2-3). The first two promises amount to using the nation of Israel as an undeniable witness of God to an unbelieving world. Repeatedly, the Scripture tell us this was one of the primary purposes for Israel as a nation and all she encountered in history. Solomon’s prayer was “that all people of the earth may know thy name…” (I Kings 8:43). Hezekiah prayed that the Lord would deliver them from enemies “that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the Lord God, even thou only” (II Kings 19:19). Ezekiel was told to predict a future when enemies will “come up against my people of Israel…that the heathen may know me” (Ezek. 38:16). Likewise, Isaiah predicts a day when “all flesh shall know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob” (Isa. 49:26). Even those who do not want to retain the knowledge of God have heard of the Lord parting the Red Sea and providing a host of miracles for Israel. Israel has been God’s witness to the world.

    The third promise to Abram was to bless all the families of the earth through him and his seed. Ultimately, this was fulfilled in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, coming as the Son of Man and Son of God to pay the ransom for the sins of all mankind. Salvation is now available to all because God used Israel to produce a needed Savior.

    The Mosaic Law of Israel

    It is imperative that we understand to whom the Law of Moses was given, what it involved, and why it was given. The Lord told Moses, “I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments…that thou mayest teach them [to Israel]” (Ex. 24:12). These laws were given only to the nation of Israel. They were not given to, nor intended for, Gentiles of the past or present. Moreover, many further misunderstand the scope of the Law of Moses. It was far more than the Ten Commandments; it included volumes of strict requirements governing the social, civil, dietary, and worship life of Israel. It was an entire package to be obeyed. No one was allowed to pick and choose certain requirements and ignore others.

    God had several important purposes for giving these laws. They were to be a testimony to all who “hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people…who hath God so nigh unto them” (Deut. 4:5-8). It was intended to draw lost souls back to God, but it was never intended as a way to merit eternal life. Paul taught, “Ye could not be justified [from sin] by the law of Moses” because it was given that “all the world may become guilty before God… for by the law is the knowledge of sin” (Rom. 3:19,20). The law was a beautiful system for Israel, but even Peter acknowledged that it was a heavy “yoke…which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear” (Acts 15:10). God’s ultimate purpose for the law was to prove man’s guilt, to prove his inability to be righteous through good works, and to become “our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith” (Gal. 3:24). It is absolutely not intended for the practice of believers today

    How Long Did the Mosaic Law Last?

    The Lord Jesus clearly said, “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matt. 15:24). He told His disciples, “Go not into the way of the Gentiles…but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matt. 10:5-6). In the early chapters of Acts, it is clear that Israel was still the exclusive focus of ministry (Acts 2:5,22,36; 3:12,25; 7:2,51,52; 11:19,20). Moreover, these Jewish believers were still operating under the law. The Lord Jesus taught, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do” (Matt. 23:1,2). They were still to keep the law because Christ said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law… but to fulfil” (Matt. 5:17).

    For many present-day Christians, much confusion exists because they incorrectly attempt to apply instructions or promises that were given exclusively to Israel under the law. Only Israel was to “take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat…or drink…but seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all these things shall be added unto you” (Matt. 6:25-33). Only Israel was promised, “And these signs shall follow them that believe… In my name shall they cast out devils… speak with new tongues… they shall lay hands on the sick” (Mark 16:17,18). Only Israel was promised, “If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it” (John 14:13,14; 16:23; Matt. 18:19). When we read the Old Testament, the Gospel accounts, and the early chapters of Acts, we are not to claim promises or instruction intended exclusively for Israel. These books were included as part of our present-day Bible because God intended them “for our learning” (Rom. 15:4). Let’s learn the lessons God intended without claiming Israel’s promises.

    The Body of Christ

    Believers today are not part of the nation of Israel. In the early part of the Book of Acts, God set Israel aside from her favored and exalted position due to repeated waywardness (Rom. 11:11,12). Today, “There is neither Jew nor Greek…for ye are all one in Christ” (Gal. 3:28). Those who trust in the Lord Jesus Christ today are placed into a new group of believers called “the church, which is His Body” or the Body of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23). This is a brand new group of believers that began with the Apostle Paul. Dr. C. I. Scofield said it well in his reference Bible when he wrote: “In his [Paul’s] writings alone we find the doctrine, position, walk, and destiny of the Church.” (Taken from notes on Ephesians 3:6)

    The Apostle Paul teaches us, “Ye are not under the law, but under grace” (Rom. 6:14). God saves us by His grace (Eph. 2:8,9), keeps us Growing in God’s Grace secure because grace “reign[s]” (Rom. 5:21), and grace provides a lasting daily peace “wherein we stand” (Rom. 5:1,2). Finally, “…the grace of God [is]… teaching us that, denying ungodliness… we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world” (Titus 2:11-13). As we live in this current Age of Grace, we are to depend on grace in every area of our lives, and look consistently for our promises and instructions in the letters of the Apostle Paul.

    Israel (under the law), and the Body of Christ (under grace), are like a brother and sister. God is the Father of both, yet each is distinctly different. These differences are not intended to be diluted until they are indistinguishable. We are to recognize, respect, and maintain these distinctions. This is a key to understanding our Bible.

    By Pastor John Fredericksen

    https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/important-contrasts-in-the-bible/

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    • TMonroe says:

      “When parents are blessed with both a daughter and a son, there are obvious differences. Each has his or her own distinct looks, clothing, goals, and requirements. … God established two distinctly different programs and peoples in the Bible. One is the children of Israel, who were given the Mosaic Law as their instructions and to whom nearly two thirds of the Bible was written, and the other is the sons and daughters of God in the Body of Christ, who are under Grace.”

      There were other peoples (Adam to Noah to the patriarchs, all of whom were not children of Jacob/Israel) and other covenants, a fact which Paul deemed as relevant to the later divide and still-later dissolution of the barrier. Paul used it in an important contrast involving the law and grace matter on which new believers were stumbling — in no small part because of apparent misunderstandings flamed by those in error (Gal. 2:4, Acts 15:5).

      In the midst of this contrast set forth in Galatians, Paul refers to the timeline of the law in reference to Abraham and a confirmed covenant:
      “Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. It does not say “and to seeds” as of many but “and to your seed” as of One, who is Christ. Now I say this: The Law, having come four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not annul the covenant having been confirmed beforehand by God, so as to nullify the promise. For if the inheritance is by the Law, it is no longer by a promise. But God has granted it to Abraham through a promise” (Gal. 3:16-18).

      Paul notes another relevant timeline, where Abraham believed before receiving a covenant in the flesh (Gen. 17:11-13) — “And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith that he had while in the uncircumcision, for him to be father of all those believing while in uncircumcision, for the righteousness to be credited also to them, and the father of circumcision to those not only of circumcision, but also to those walking in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham during uncircumcision. For the promise was to Abraham or his descendants that he should be heir of the world, not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith” (Romans 4:11-13).

      Going back even further, we see relevant prophecy regarding the seed of the woman: “And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel” (Genesis 3:15).

      It is clear that prophecies, promises, and covenants associated with redemption of peoples go back well before the Mosaic Law came down from Mount Sinai. It is extremely significant that the salvation-centered promise and covenant was not nullified by the law’s arrival (cf. Gal. 3:17), even by the reality of its status as a God-given covenant for a particular people (and strangers and foreigners who chose to attach themselves to it regardless of parentage (cf. Exo. 12:48-49, Num. 15:15-16, Isaiah 56).

      Post-ascension, those preaching the cross like apostles Peter and Paul received revelation confirming that God’s salvation is available to all peoples by grace through faith, a message both endeavored to share.

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    • usnveteran says:

      Thanks — [Romans 11, Galatians 3 and Ephesians 1].

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    • TMonroe says:

      “Dr. C. I. Scofield said it well in his reference Bible when he wrote: “In his [Paul’s] writings alone we find the doctrine, position, walk, and destiny of the Church.””

      Does that include Paul’s teachings on spiritual gifts, including speaking in tongues? As the writer contended in what one might call his ‘Gospel account promises only for Israel cuz law’ section, “Only Israel was promised, “And these signs shall follow them that believe… In my name shall they cast out devils… speak with new tongues… they shall lay hands on the sick” (Mark 16:17,18).”

      Those seeking to affirm Pauline authority in all things but not believing the spiritual gifts part carried beyond Biblical times may appeal to 1 Cor. 13:

      “Love never fails; but if there are prophesies, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will be ceased; if there is knowledge it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect should come, the partial will be done away.”

      Claiming tongues have ceased primarily by using a snippet of verse 8 might not get too far. Per verse 8, shouldn’t knowledge then be expected to pass away along with tongues, despite its increase in this age and prophesies as it relates to future times (cf. Daniel 12:4)? (This is brought up not for a back and forth on cessationism but to explore the concept forwarded that all things Church begin and end with Paul’s letters.)

      I mean, these verses are surrounded by a lengthy discussion of various aspects doctrine and fellowship conduct (1 Cor. 11-14, not least of which concern spiritual gifts of which Paul did not want the body of Christ to be ignorant (cf. 1 Cor 12:1). That’s a lot of instruction to an Age of Grace church.

      Speaking of a focus on doctrine, were someone to post links to multiple videos of services conducted by some of the writers of various BBS articles, would any of the female participants have head coverings — per the Apostle Paul’s letter to a church filled with Gentiles (1 Cor. 11:3-11) — or might they not have a covering and may even have short hair? Is no form of audible prayer offered in such gatherings by females?

      Let’s revisit the writer’s comment on ‘the Law of Moses’: “It was an entire package to be obeyed. No one was allowed to pick and choose certain requirements and ignore others.” If we’re supposed to adhere on the writer’s say-so to “look consistently for our promises and instructions in the letters of the Apostle Paul”, how is it that there may be divergent practices then and now in the “Age of Grace” that was underway in Corinth and was the subject of direct and detailed teaching and instruction on doctrine and church practice as contained in 1 Cor. 11-14?

      Might I suggest that the supposedly neat divisions and adjurations for a Pauline elevation hyper-focus might not be as cut and dried as suggested? Might Scripture inform Scripture and context inform the larger picture in a way that is not as simplistic as consigning the entirety of Jesus’ “instructions or promises” in his earthly ministry to current irrelevance ‘cuz Mosaic law dispensation — unless passed through the gatekeeper of Paul’s epistles?

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    • TMonroe says:

      “In the early chapters of Acts, it is clear that Israel was still the exclusive focus of ministry (Acts 2:5,22,36; 3:12,25; 7:2,51,52; 11:19,20)”

      It followed Christ’s Great Commission commands to His apostles exactly (cf. Matthew 28, Acts 1), going outward from Jerusalem to Judea, Samaria, and the ends of the earth where the Gentiles/nations are, making disciples of all nations. It’s noteworthy that the writer mentions Acts 11:19. Just as Jesus had a ministerial focus on the lost sheep of Israel (cf. Matthew 15:24), the message was still being received by grace through faith by the nations during His ministry according to His mercy (cf. Matthew 15:22-28).

      The focus of Acts 11:19 must be contrasted with the immediate context of the preceding verse, as it shows the transitional nature of the post-Ascension era as the Great Commission process unfolded in real time: “When they heard this, their objections were put to rest, and they glorified God, saying, ‘So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life'” (Acts 11:18). “They” in this case were the ‘circumcised believers’ (cf. Acts 11:2) not comprehending what had been revealed to Peter (cf. Acts 10, 11:3-17) about the sameness and lack of distinction of how the Gentiles were saved (by grace through faith, cf. Acts 15:7-11). The ‘exclusive focus’ is recorded as expanding in Acts 10, and much of the rest of the book of Acts and subsequent epistles from Peter, James, Paul, and the writer to the Hebrews focus on explaining the ramifications of the post-ascension time of transition.

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    • TMonroe says:

      “As we live in this current Age of Grace, we are to depend on grace in every area of our lives, and look consistently for our promises and instructions in the letters of the Apostle Paul.”

      The selective focus suggested is at the heart of the issue. So, what did Paul have to say about such an approach? Paul urged believers to be armed with the ‘sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God’ (cf. Eph. 6:17). Hebrews 4:12 observes: “For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even as far as the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrows, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”

      The Bereans were given credit for checking Paul’s pre-Canon contentions with what the Scriptures said (cf. Acts 17:10-12). Remember, this was post-Jerusalem Council and the split of Paul and Barnabas, so Paul’s outreach was well underway and into Gentile Europe. It still behooved them to refer to relevant Scripture to examine and test the message and doctrine being shared by Paul.

      In what is believed to be his final epistle, this is what Paul shared with Timothy: “But you, abide in the things you have learned and have been assured of, having known from whom you learned them, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings, being able to make you wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus” (2 Timothy 3:14-15).

      The “sacred writings” known by Timothy from childhood weren’t Paul’s letters. And yet, near the end of his ministry, Paul affirms their being able to make a church leader and teacher “wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus”. In the next verse, Paul continues the thought:

      “Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, having been fully equipped toward every good work” (2 Timothy 3:14-17).

      The word variously translated as teaching or instruction (Gr. didaskalian) is translated as “doctrine” in the King James Version (cf. Titus 2:10). Like the Bereans, like Timothy, and like Paul, modern believers ought not limit themselves to Pauline epistles for their “promises and instruction” on spiritual matters when relevant Scripture offering them context and corroboration exists throughout God’s word.

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    • Pale rider says:

      The word of God has a three fold meaning. Natural, where we are. Spiritual, and heavenly. All three reside in the word we have. Only after death can we FULLY understand it’s meaning. And that is left for eternity not upon arrival.
      Having said that, the existence of the church ( all true believers) rests on the word, and the churches quality depends on the quality of its understanding of the word. That would include all three aspects. Natural, spiritual, heavenly.
      To say the least, we have much to learn.

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  2. David says:

    Dear Friends, I posted here Rare video about the number one counter terror unit in Israel and probably in the world. They are actually under the police but they are picked from top Special Forces units and go through additional training. They are preventing terror actions al almost daily and even more. They are called the YAMAM and their people stay with the unit for decades.

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    • Lucille says:

      Thank you, David, for another terrific video. YAMAM has my thorough admiration. I hope American military forces occasionally get to train with them.

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  3. David says:

    Second video about the YAMAM anti terror unit. A bit older video but very good. Note that the previous video contained a lot of real action footage.

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  4. Lucille says:

    Have a happy…

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  5. Lucille says:

    Johann Strauss II. – Geschichten aus dem Wiener Wald (Walzer, op.325)
    Robert Stolz, conducting the Vienna Symphony Orchestra

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  6. usnveteran says:

    August 1, 2019
    By Charles Gallmeyer
    California Governor Signs Legislation Protecting Rights Of Sex Workers:
    ‘The legislation comes as states like New York explore decriminalizing sex work.” …
    https://www.jurist.org/news/2019/08/california-governor-signs-signs-legislation-protecting-rights-of-sex-workers/

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    • Lucille says:

      Newsom signed it after his degenerate assembly sent it over. Look next for them to change the age of consent to conform with the desires of the Epsteins of the world.

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  7. Garrison Hall says:

    Jackson Browne wrote “These Days” when he was about 17 or 18 years old. He certainly displayed a level of emotional maturity that I didn’t have at that age . . . Dwane Allman’s version is the best I think.

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  8. citizen817 says:

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  9. kp says:

    JACOB & ESAU [A Brief Study of USA (‘Lost tribes’ of Israel*1) & Russia]
    Fulfilling Prophecy continues since 1948 when Judah returned to Jerusalem.

    It’s been said, ‘It’s difficult to predict the future, especially when it’s about something that hasn’t happened yet’. Too true, except when the LORD has told us what to expect, then it’s quite easy, if we read and understand His message. With all the UniParty fake news of Russian election interference, and more recently our forsaking the INF Treaty*2, many want to write Russia off as a has been or even label them as a Christian nation implying no threat to us. However it’s incumbent upon Christians to review prophecy, since it’s infallible and provides peace of mind in difficult and deceitful times, all while preparing us for the inevitable.

    To wit: Genesis 25:23. “And the LORD said unto her [Rebekah], “Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.” 24.”…behold, there were twins…” 25. “…first [elder] came out red [communist]…called…Esau.” 26. “…after [younger] came his brother…called Jacob…” 30.”…Esau said…”Feed me…” therefore his name was called Edom.” [USSR unable to grow sufficiently for their use purchased USA wheat, corn, etc.] 34. “…Esau (Edom) despised his birthright.” 27:39. “…thy dwelling shall be [far from*3] the fatness of the earth…” [95% of Russia is above the 45th parallel. Think Canada’s growing season without any of the LORD’s blessings. Canada however is a blessed nation.]

    Obadiah 1:1 “…Thus saith the LORD God concerning Edom…”1:3 “The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee…” (They think they are an economic super power but USA beats them at everything) 1:4 “…thou exalt thyself as the eagle (USA)…I will bring thee down, saith the LORD.” 1:7 “…thy confederacy have brought thee even [back to original] to the border…” [Warsaw Pact countries abandoned USSR, became independent nations.(*4)] 1:14 “Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those that did escape…” (Christians & Jews wanted to escape if possible, but the Berlin Wall prevented it and they would be shot if they tried. The wall is gone now.) 1:15 “For the day of the LORD is near…” (Fig Tree generation began in 1948.) The remainder of Obadiah 1 addresses future Prophecy regarding the restoration of all the tribes of true Israel, not only Judah.

    For A 2nd Witness: (Always seek at least 2 Biblical witnesses to Prophecy.) Malachi 1:2 “…I loved Jacob, 3. And I hated Esau…” [The LORD hates anyone who would give up his/her birthright [love of God] for the sake of worldly pleasures. In Esau’s case it was for a bowl of pottage [red lentils].) 4. “…Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return…”thus saith the LORD…they shall build, but I will throw down…the people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.” [The LORD will continue to defy them (the Communist nation, not Russian Christians).] (For any who can’t accept that God hates as well as loves, read Proverbs 6:16 – 6:19. God loves all His children, but He hates what many individuals, countries, and church teachers continue to do.) Malachi 1:6 “…saith the LORD…O priests that despise My name…” [false religions & teachers] 7. “Ye offer polluted bread…” [man’s traditions instead of true teaching] The Russian Orthodox(*5) church has been mislead over time but their Christian people have genuine believing hearts & minds.

    Still Another Witness: Romans 9:12 “…The elder shall serve the younger.” 9:13 “…Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”
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    The political pendulum of our nation continues to swing as Jesus foretold. Recent examples; Reagan – right, Clinton – left, W. Bush – right, Obama – left, POTUSDJT – right, but he won’t be our VSG forever unfortunately. Christian’s can prepare themselves with the armour of God. (Ref. Ephesians 6:11-18) Still, Satan and his commies in the making on the left will continue the USA’s ruination. Ultimately they will fail, but we will still endure much more pain.

    All Scripture should be read in it’s entirety but this study should assist any who choose to learn. Ref. Ezekiel 12:2. Deeper students, read Ezekiel 38 understanding Gog, Magog, and the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal also reference Russia. The prophecy of the “land of unwalled villages” [USA] under attack from Magog(*6) (will be) thwarted by our LORD to once and for all time show the heathen nations, “I Am the LORD”. Even Christians that have been mislead will recognize the true Word of God when it comes to pass. The foretold attack will appear frightening to the unaware and unlearned, but it should give complete peace of mind to all who understand our Heavenly Father’s plan is coming to pass exactly as it is written.

    2 John 1:11 “For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” “God speed” was a colloquial salutation much like we might say, “Have a great day!”. How much worse in the LORD’s eyes is attending or giving money to a church teaching, “No prophecies have been fulfilled yet”. Lying, play-actors.

    If your teacher hasn’t taught this, or it’s your 1st reading of these scriptures, or even if you doubt this analysis, that’s OK just file it away in your brain for future reference. You will recognize other pieces as they continue to fall into place. It is Prophecy, it will happen, in fact it is happening now. The Really Big Ugly is still coming but there’s a lot more heartbreaks ahead first. The LORD has already stated, “Relax, I got this!”.
    Awesome time to be alive! Who has ears to hear…
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    1* They aren’t ‘Lost Tribes’ to the LORD He knows where they’re all at, but false teachers of our day have lost (mislead) them in the religious world. Do you personally know anyone that can sit down with you and have an in-depth discussion about the Word of the LORD? Ref. 1st Peter 4:17 , Ezek.13 – all of it.
    *2 https://www.oann.com/u-s-pulls-out-of-inf-treaty-with-russia/
    *3 ‘Far from’ per Hebrew manuscripts, mis-translated in KJV, et al.
    *4 Romania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Belarus, E. Germany, et al.
    *5 https://orthochristian.com/ Sourced for analysis of doctrine.
    *6 https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/07/30/defense-against-hypersonic-attack-is-becoming-the-biggest-military-challenge-of-the-trump-era/#488b676b62c0 Just 1 example of Esau’s quest to dominate.

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    • Fannie says:

      Scripture interprets scripture. The US is not in Bible prophesy. The Book of Daniel should be studied before Revelation. I’ve gone through this verse-by-verse study by Dr. Andy Woods, and it will bless your life.

      http://www.spiritandtruth.org/teaching/50.htm

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      • kp says:

        Fannie,

        After spending 5 minutes at the linked site, it was easy to determine Dr. Woods has been persuaded by his schooling. When one attends a seminary that teaches (much like any college) a doctrine, the ‘student’ must regurgitate said doctrine to get a passing grade. I will hope and pray that you learn this sooner rather than later.

        My post was greatly abridged and relies heavily on common sense of the reader. Sripture does indeed interpret Scripture as the post clearly laid out.

        The USA is most definitely in the Word.
        If one has basic fundamentals wrong, the foundation is built on sand, all the ‘building’ above it will fall.

        Let’s agree to disagree. I know you are a sister in Christ and that’s good enough for me. I would only ask you to at least reconsider your trust in said website, if he teaches Christians are ‘flying away’ in a rapture, what is the Gospel Armour for? The LORD is putting together an army of believers to stand against Satan with His help, not run away…

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        • Fannie says:

          The Church is the Bride of Christ. It would be spousal abuse for our Savior to have us stay here for the Tribulation. We do not build the kingdom; Christ will bring the millennial Kingdom.

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          • kp says:

            Awesome, and 3 out of 4 ain’t bad.

            1. The Church is indeed the Bride of Christ.
            2. We do not build the kingdom.
            3. Christ will bring the millennial Kingdom…

            But the big one is missed. “…our Saviour is not here defacto during the tribulation, He is here in Spirit helping us as we are here defacto. No one is flying away in a ‘rapture’, that is a false teaching created by a dream of Margaret McDonald in the 1830’s. Two ‘seminary trained’ “teachers” thought it sounded good and ran with it. Many Christians need a security blanket to hide behind thinking Satan is a horned monster and he’s going to kill people. He’s already doomed to death of his soul, and he wants the death of as many souls as he can get, not any flesh bodies. That’s why we wear the Body Armour consisting of Truth. It’s spiritual not physical.

            In fact, he is the 2nd most beautiful entity every created by our Heavenly Father and will “…deceiveth the whole world…” Rev. 12:9. We will all be here to witness unless we die in the flesh first [old age, etc.]. But no one that is alive in the flesh escapes the hour of temptation. Does one worship Satan who is here first? Or does one wait for the true Christ? 2nd Thes. 2:3 – 2:5.

            I realize I can no more change your mind than you can change mine Fannie, but I hope this exchange helps others who might read along give pause and think. The ‘rapture’ is and will become the greatest deception ever perpetrated on mankind. It will relegate global warming and Russian election intereference to their respective place as minor hoaxes by comparison.

            God bless, kp.

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            • Fannie says:

              The Tribulation is GOD’S WRATH. We have already passed from death into life in Christ. I’ll explain the rest to you on the way up! God bless.

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  10. Lucille says:

    INTERNET VENTURES

    American White Pelican (looks white, black and orange to me…LOL!)…

    Japan’s Mt. Fuji in the spring with beautiful lupines…

    Road from Hazro to Shazi, Pakistan, built by the Brits in the 1930s and goes to the Himalayan foothills…

    Calla Lilies in Zhuzihu, Taipei, photo by Craig Ferguson

    I love this vid…”Largest Plane In U.S. Air Force Gets Fuel In-Flight”
    C-5M Super Galaxy, the largest airplane in the USAF, from the 436th Airlift Wing conducts aerial refueling with a KC-135 Stratotanker from the 171st Air Refueling Wing on June 19, 2019…

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  11. Pale rider says:

    This is a day the lord hath made, I will rejoice and be glad in it. Psalms 118:24
    We are preparing to send our Youngest son off to college. My wife said ” just a moment to have with him when he was a little baby”. It’s not gone, it’s in him, in us, but those moments are our memories of our past.
    It’s very hard to stop and bury your head in that fussy child’s hair and “rejoice” when your sleepy and hungry but some day that moment becomes the most precious gift God gives us. ” count it all joy” James 1:2,3

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  12. duchess01 says:

    Verse of the Day

    “Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”
    Ephesians 1:2 (KJV)

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  13. duchess01 says:

    Jesus Loves Babies…Pray for the Unborn

    Jesus Loves the Little Children…Pray for the Little Children

    Jesus Loves You…Run to Him

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  14. Dora says:

    I need this prayer today.

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  15. Dora says:

    I can’t imagine what kind of people would tolerate something like this in the first place, but please ‘CLOSE THIS PLACE DOWN”

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  16. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ infidels!

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  17. @ChicagoBri says:

    You want proofs the Democrats hate us?
    Well Done Crimesha!
    https://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2019/08/well-done-crimesha.html

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    • Pale rider says:

      No wait, gun laws! Those guns lay still and quiet but the murders walk the streets? Hmmmm anything wrong with the picture.

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  18. Lucille says:

    When Muslims Do Not Assimilate
    Published on Jul 31, 2019 By Dr. Bill Warner

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  19. @ChicagoBri says:

    #Chiraq, where mass shooting are an almost daily occurrence
    7 wounded in shooting near Douglas Park playground
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2019/8/4/20753570/several-wounded-douglas-park-shooting-roosevelt

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  20. Dora says:

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  21. bessie2003 says:

    He makes a good point: this is going to get worse.

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    • Pale rider says:

      My wife and I got into a large “discussion” about this after the shooting in El Paso. It’s going to happen more and more, it’s by design. In chaos a strong man will rise to power. Again, suppression of law and order first, we see that top down. Nunes said as much, this is what it looks like.
      And the guy is wrong, it’s laws must be enforced, that’s how you fix it, very simple. Rudy did it in New York. When you feel unprotected by your law enforcement or government you see this.

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      • auscitizenmom says:

        I agree, the laws must be enforced.

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      • bessie2003 says:

        Thank you. True, it’s the enforcing of laws that already exist that seems to be missing here.

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      • budklatsch says:

        During church service today, the Congregation was asked for prayers to be announced. Several spoke of the atrocities in El Paso and Dayton and the disregard for life. I wondered during prayers if my Christian brethren focus on the assault upon Christianity in America. Immediately the MSM tries in vail again to find some connection to Right Wing Christian influence in the assassins background. and then I read recently where Google has placed Christian on their watch list to prevent posts.

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  22. Dora says:

    Sunday Music: Bach Cantata BWV 94

    It is the eighth Sunday after Pentecost. Today’s Bach cantata is “Was frag ich nach der Welt” (What should I ask of the world):

    http://patterico.com/jury/2019/08/04/sunday-music-bach-cantata-bwv-94/

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  23. just stevie says:

    THE BRAVE COMRADESHIP OF GOD

    “Then He took unto Him the twelve.” Luke xviii. 31

    The bravery of God in trusting us! You say – But He has been unwise to choose me, because there is nothing in me; I am not of any value.” That is why He chose you. As long as you think there is something in you, He cannot choose you because you have ends of your own to serve; but if you have let Him bring you to the end of your self-sufficiency then He can choose you to go with Him to Jerusalem, and that will mean the fulfillment of purposes which He does not discuss with you.

    We are apt to say that because a man has natural ability, therefore he will make a good Christian. It is not a question of our equipment but of our poverty, not of what we bring with us, but of what God puts into us; not a question of natural virtues of strength of character, knowledge, and experience – all that is of no avail in this matter. The only thing that avails is that we are taken up into the big compelling of God and made His comrades (cf. 1 Cor. i. 26-30). The comradeship of God is made up out of men who know their poverty. He can do nothing with the man who thinks that he is of use to God. As Christians we are not out for our own cause at all, we are out for the cause of God, which can never be our cause. We do not know what God is after, but we have to maintain our relationship with Him whatever happens. We must never allow anything to injure our relationship with God; if it does get injured we must take time and get it put right. The main thing about Christianity is not the work we do, but the relationship we maintain and the atmosphere produced by that relationship. That is all God asks us to look after, and it is the one thing that is being continually assailed.

    Oswald Chambers
    August 4th Devotional

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    • Pale rider says:

      James 1:9-10 brothers that are poor have something to boast about, God has blessed them.
      You ever think, somewhere the world missed it?
      Our lives are but a vapor, a moment, eternity waits for each of us.

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  24. MakersMark says:

    I’ve considered promoting The Conservative Treehouse on my facebook homepage. This may seem a bit petty, but I’m concerned that it may not be a good idea as in drawing undo attention to the site. Any comments?

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  25. Pale rider says:

    Yeah, I think you will get kicked off. We are a hateful group you know. S

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  26. Dora says:

    I hope somebody sends this article to Cuomo. He wants to start installing these filthy noisemakers on Long Island. Most Long Islanders do not want them!

    =====

    Zeeland removing wind turbines after several issues

    HOLLAND TOWNSHIP, Mich. (WOOD) — Wind turbines in Helder Park in Holland Township are being torn down.

    The city of Zeeland built the turbines in 2009 in an effort to use more sustainable energy.

    The turbines were placed outside the city limits due to zoning issues. The park was chosen by engineers who believed it was the best place to generate wind.

    It cost the city about $457,000. Right after the turbines went up, the city says things went downhill.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/04/zeeland-removing-wind-turbines-after-several-issues/

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      I remember back in the 70”s passing fields of these turbines. On the surface, it seemed like a good idea. However, since they have been around that long, it seems to me they should have corrected all the problems with the use of them. Obviously not.

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      • wondering999 says:

        Seems like some of these devices work for limited purposes, until somebody decides they are too old-fashioned and ought not to work anymore… I’m thinking of the San Francisco Dutch windmills at Golden Gate Park:

        “.On the far western edge of Golden Gate Park stand two wooden windmills that were built to pump groundwater for irrigating the park’s lawns and gardens, helping to transform the dunes that once covered the area. ..the North, or Dutch, Windmill was built in 1902. It was such a success that it was followed by the South, or Murphy, Windmill, begun in 1905 and completed in 1907 … It is commonly believed that the windmills were taken out of service around 1935, after which they began to deteriorate.
        https://sfrecpark.org/destination/golden-gate-park/dutch-windmill/

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  27. Bendix says:

    Anybody know this?
    If a couple get married, he’s an immigrant, and they start the process of getting him legal to live and work here, but he runs into an obstacle because something with the way he entered the country was not exactly right, and he tables the idea indefinitely;
    Ten years on, he’s still working under the table and the couple’s ability to travel, make financial decisions, etc. are hampered, leading to tension in the marriage;
    He walks out on her, is initiating divorce proceedings, and still remains in the country over a year later-
    can the wife get him picked up and thrown out of the US?

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    • JTR says:

      Yes! Call ICE and report him. 1-866-347-2423. YW!

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    • (Not a lawyer. I’m speaking based on the experiences of others I knew over two decades living in Los Angeles.)

      The wife can always notify authorities, but since she doesn’t control the system, there’s no guarantee she can “get him thrown out”, and she might even put herself in jeopardy. The wife voluntarily aided and abetted the husband’s overstay in the country, so she might be legally vulnerable too. He may have left her because he already had another fish on the line, one he believes will be easier to control.

      He could hire a lawyer and seek asylum. Once the divorce goes through, he could marry another US citizen before his case comes up. He could disappear into one of our nation’s underground industries in another city. There are many, many employers willing to pay cash for cheap labor. Depends on how motivated he is to stay, and how resourceful. Others have flown below the radar for generations.

      If she was unhappy, I think it’s healthier, smarter and cheaper for her to hire a lawyer, negotiate the divorce and move on. I explained above why proactively turning him in for revenge might also hurt her. He’s in a poor position to win any support or property above what he brought into the marriage. In the divorce proceedings she can argue he defrauded her to stay in the US. Let the system act on its own initiative.

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  28. Janie M. says:

    From the NY Post, the Ohio mass murderer identified (photo, which will hopefully post correctly).

    Dayton mass shooting suspect identified as 24-year-old Connor
    By Aaron Feis August 4, 2019 | 12:34pm

    [snip]
    The body armor-clad gunman who fatally shot nine people in a popular Dayton, Ohio nightlife district early Sunday has been identified in a report as Connor Betts.

    Betts, 24, who was shot dead by cops moments into his rampage, was identified as the shooter by CBS News, citing law-enforcement sources.

    Investigators were tossing Betts’ home in Bellbrook, Ohio — about 15 miles southeast of Dayton — on Sunday, sources told the network.

    More here:
    https://nypost.com/2019/08/04/dayton-mass-shooting-suspect-identified-as-24-year-old-connor-betts

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  29. Are McCabe, Strozk, Lisa Page and the Ohrs “free and in the clear” forever for all their ill-doings?

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  30. Sepp says:

    On this date (from the Associated Press Almanac)

    In 1790, the U.S. Coast Guard had its beginnings as President George Washington signed a measure authorizing a group of revenue cutters to enforce tariff and trade laws and prevent smuggling.

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  31. Lucille says:

    F/A-18E Crash in ‘Star Wars Canyon” near Death Valley, CA
    blancolirio YT channel – Juan Browne – Published on Aug 3, 2019

    Here’s a closer look at where this accident occurred, and some of the issues investigators will be looking at. There was no ejection.

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  32. Sepp says:

    To Ponder

    Let me ponder on the miraculous appearing of the archangel to Joshua the son of Nun when he set out to conquer Jericho (Joshua 5):

    1. How the chief captain of the heavenly host appeared to Joshua with a drawn sword in his hand.

    2. How he told Joshua to put off his shoes.

    3. How we, in the battle of life, must not rely on our own feet and our own equipment, but on Him who fights for us.

    From “The Prologue from Ohrid” by Saint Nikolai (Serbian-born Bishop who reposed in the USA and was a former prisoner at Dachau) for today, July 22nd, on the traditional Calendar of the Orthodox Christian Church.

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  33. Sepp says:

    Seventh Sunday after Pentecost in the Orthodox Christian Church

    The Healing of the Two Blind Men

    The Holy Gospel according to Saint Matthew 9: 27 – 35

    The Explanation of this Holy Gospel by Saint Theophylact, Archbishop of Ohrid and Bulgaria, is generously shared on the website of Chrysostom Press.

    http://www.chrysostompress.org/c_7th_pentecost.

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  34. Sepp says:

    Saint Mary Magdalene, Equal-to-the-Apostles
    commemorated today
    July 22nd Orthodox Church Calendar

    One of the myrrh-bearing women, and equal to the Apostles, she was born in Magdala by the Lake of Gennesaret, of the tribe of Issachar. She was tormented by seven evil spirits, of which she was freed and healed by the Lord Jesus. She was a faithful follower and servant of the Lord during His earthly life, and slso stood beneath the Cross on Golgotha and lamented bitterly with the most holy Mother of God, the Theotokos.

    After the Lord’s death she visited His tomb three times; and when He rose again, she saw Him twice, once alone and the other time with the other myrrh-bearing women.

    She travelled to Rome, went before Tiberias Caesar snd presented him with a red egg, greeting him with the words: “Christ is Risen!” At the same time she denounced Pilate to Caesar for his unjust condemnation of the Lord Jesus. Caesar listened to her, and moved Pilate from Jerusalem to Gaul, where this unjust judge died under imperial displeasure after a terrible illness.

    After that, she returned from Rome to Ephesus, to Saint John the Theologian, whom she helped in his task of preaching the Gospel. With great love for the risen Lord and with great zeal, she proclaimed the Holy Gospel as a true apostle of Christ. She died peacefully in Ephesus and was buried, according to tradition, in the same cave as the Seven Holy Youths of Ephesus. Saint Magdalene’s relics were then taken to Constantinople.

    Near the Garden of Gethsemane, there is a beautiful Rusdian Church and Convent dedicated to Saint Mary Magdalene. Saint Elizabeth the Grand Duchess, the Martyr (1918), is buried there, as is her niece, the mother of Prince Phillip of England, who was a Greek Orthodox nun later in life.

    For many generations among certain populations of devout Christians, it was common to name daughters in honor of Saint Mary Magdalene. Sometimes they were simply named Magdalena, from which the name Lena was derived.

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  35. auscitizenmom says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  36. auscitizenmom says:

    A prayer for Justice Kavanaugh and Gen. Flynn:

    Prayer to St. Michael

    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle;
    be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
    and do you, O prince of the heavenly host,
    by the power of God,
    thrust into hell Satan and the other evil spirits
    who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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