Sunday December 16th – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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  1. citizen817 says:


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  2. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    True Liberty

    As true Americans celebrate their liberty, true Christians should rejoice in the even greater liberty which they have in Christ.

    Our Lord said: “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” and “If the Son, therefore, shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed” (John 8:32,36). Likewise St. Paul declares that believers in Christ have been made “free from sin” and have become “servants to God,” who deals with us in grace (Rom. 6:22).

    It is strange that so many sincere religious people actually wish to be in bondage to the Mosaic Law, which can only judge and condemn them for their sins. Peter called the law: “a yoke… which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear” (Acts 15:10). Paul called it “the handwriting of decrees, that was against us, which was contrary to us” (Col. 2:14). He called it “the ministration of death” and “the ministration of condemnation” (II Cor. 3:7,9).

    He challenged those who “desired” to be under the law:

    “Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?” (Gal. 4:21).

    “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written. Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them” (Gal. 3:10).

    Thank God, “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us” (Gal. 3:13). Man always responds better to grace than to law. The law was “added because of transgressions” (Gal. 3:19). “By the law is the knowledge of sin” (Rom. 3:20). But Christ died for our sins and now true believers serve God from gratitude and love. Hence Rom. 6:14 says: “Sin shall not have dominion over you, for ye are not under the law but under grace.” Since Christ has redeemed us from the law (Gal. 4:5) God says to every true believer:

    “Stand fast, therefore, in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage” (Gal. 5:1).

    By Pastor Cornelius R. Stam

    John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

    Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

    Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    2Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

    2Corinthians 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

    Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

    Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

    Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

    Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

    Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

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    • waltherppk says:

      “true” Americans ….”true” Christians…. “true” whatever …hmmm

      Now there is the qualifier that is meaning filled for certain.

      And it is hard bought experience when any of us who are “true” whatever are deceived by others who are not our kind of “true” but only pretend to be “true” kin especially when it comes to true love. The pretenders let you know soon enough who you thought were your family are not really your family at all.

      There ….I have said a mouthful, and my two cents worth in solid gold.

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      • 🍺Gunny66 says:


        Your post reminds me of the hearfelt experiences where you trust someone.
        Trusting someone with your love is like physically taking your heart and putting it in their hands.

        You give them your heart. You trust them. Then it starts to happen.

        They start to play with your heart. You can feel it. Then sometimes, they drop your heart.

        It hurts.

        Then one day, they crush your heart. You get your heart back and the pain you just cannot describe. Some people get over it. Some people don’t.

        But if your do get over it, you notice one thing. There is now a part of your heart missing. It seems like a “hole” in your heart. Then your realize that this missing piece of your your heart is: “Trust”

        Your Trust in another person is gone. Some people never get the Trust back.
        That hole will not heal. Because they never want to feel that kind of pain again

        You see it all the multiple marriages, people not letting you close.
        Addictions……..Single parents….Some people never heal where the Trust once was…..

        I have now come to believe in approaching people with an “empty” heart.
        Not empty of feelings, but empty of expectations., without conditions.

        So many people start out their so called love for people with “conditions”
        They meet in a bar, or at the grocery store, or any where and start to fall in love and many ……many times get married. And how many times have you heard….”After we get married, I will make him or her do this or quit that”

        Then you see one of them one day and they have that look. A kind of shocked but sad look and you ask why?

        Then they say. “He or she changed” Because now they have input their “conditions” Stop Smoking. Stop seeing your friends. I don’t like it when you do this or that. I don’t like that shirt…..

        So my point is: Love without expectataions. Love without reasons.
        Love without conditions.

        “Unconditional Love”

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        • John Post says:


          I’ve been married several times (not something I am particularly proud of) and I finally took to telling women that I meet that I AM NOT RAW MATERIAL! If you want to be around me you need to take me as I am (a FULLY FORMED HUMAN BEING).

          It works for a while but the “people forming) edges its’ way in subtly. I guess women are just built that way or else they have never met a man that they couldn’t work their “magic” on. Guess I will live my advanced years as a curmudgeon. Somehow, that realisation doesn’t seem to bother me like it used to in my younger years.

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          • lotbusyexec says:

            We are imperfect human beings (only one perfect is hanging on a cross with a crown of thorns placed on his head). Not always having to be right, listening more (which also means biting ones tongue more) and agreeing to disagree in peace have been life-savers. Being a curmudgeon is ok as long as you do it with a smile and TRY to see the big picture. Maybe time for reading/watching a Christmas Carol by Chales Dickens -tis the season 😉 Or better yet, watch The Man Who Invented Christmas (2017 movie).

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          • andyocoregon says:

            Marriage is not for everyone. Sometimes it’s better to simply have a close relationship with someone without the legal entanglements.


          • Judith says:

            Women are the nesters so, yes, we are built that way. I’ve taught my children never to settle for somebody who wouldn’t move heaven and earth to stand by their side. And I live by that rule.

            I believe in well-formed friendships, perhaps spanning years, before romance enters the equation. I am not afraid to live alone, and so there are standards to be met, before I will open up my heart to share my life with another human being.

            I do insist on marriage, and I’m not swayed by those who would settle for anything less than a full commitment to the relationship. There are no shortcuts.

            I have never been divorced, but I was widowed once. Two strong, committed adults is the best foundation for a healthy and solid relationship.

            Once you are part of my “circle of trust,” I’ll pretty much forgive all transgressions from that day forward. (My husband’s TDS has certainly put that to the test!)

            My love is unconditional, but only *after* you’ve passed the thresholds of friendship, trust, loyalty and commitment.


            • waltherppk says:

              Judith, what you are describing there is actually not “romantic” love at all but is a patience and dedication “works” performance friendship / partnership “contract” where your affection is contingent upon a series of “passed tests” of “loyalty” for “proof of worthiness” by the subject of your affection, who must “earn” his reward, your love, that is your “big favor” to him, by his pleasing you and passing all your “tests”. It is good you are not afraid to live alone because absent a miracle you would be doing just that for a very long time, until you meet a special someone that your sudden passions have given a waiver or “prequalified” as worthy for your love, simply and only because your falling in love has then surrendered all “your planning” to trust God to be at the operating levers of your heart, instead of you. When that true miracle of love happens all of your books and plans and tests will assuredly get thrown right out the window and what was an empty bed on a cold winter night just became a lot warmer more tolerable place for a human being to be. Maybe you could turn up the human warmth just a little at the love worthiness “testing agency” and proving ground you are operating there.


              • Judith says:

                Yikes. I’m sorry you took such offense to my post! I was actually trying to guide your “open borders” heart towards something more lasting and rewarding in that vast desert leading to the promised land.

                Yes, there is a wall up, but there is also a big beautiful door and something special worth protecting just behind it. Good luck wandering aimlessly through that desert without a map or a compass. I hope you stumble upon what you’re looking for.

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                • Ad rem says:

                  Well said Judith…and I suspect most women would agree.


                • waltherppk says:

                  Two things I have never been is aimless or wandering, and I see a lot more clearly through 20-20 hindsight what is the “worthiness” test for a man that gets rewritten and appended every day by many women who have first made their catch as sweethearts who promise love forever no matter what, and then later make their ruthless betrayal as a wife, having no NATURAL instinct whatsoever to emotionally imprint on a mate FOR LIFE, because they are too “philosophically” imprinted on themselves as Narcissist Psychopaths later looking for the divorce attorneys office to deal with the “mate” who became unworthy.


                • waltherppk says:

                  Sweetheart …. the who is “headquarters” and high command in charge of love will pleasantly surprise you one day …one night… probably followed by a thousand more,
                  and then you get back to me smiling about “all that” planning and life management stuff you had all figured out, after you look to see who shot cupids arrow and see God smiling and holding an empty bow.


        • Dave says:

          That was excellent, Gunny! I’ve never heard it put in better words! If I might add anything to them, it would be when they start adding conditions, you unconsciously start smiling less. Others will bring that to your attention, though it’s not being done by choice. If it persists over years, you’ll find it awkward to see your face when photographed with others, as you’re the only one looking like that. So you force a smile, but it looks phony. I see lots of people like this. It’s sad.

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        • waltherppk says:

          Truly I mean no disrespect or ingratitude or insult to the Creator, the Ancient of Ancients, but when my tasks and chores are are all done in this realm, I TRULY neither choose nor want any eternal “life” of whatever fashion, but only to be returned to a most blissful and blessed condition of eternal and unconscious non-sentient non-existence ….Please, impose on me no more of the outrageous and perplexingly INSANE “real life” Hollywood movie given real or ethereal substance and directed from on high for me, no matter how splendid and “purpose filled” the celestial script and “hidden mysterious meaning”….please,

          I am not even slightly entertained, haven’t been for a very long time, although it was all somewhat interesting and amusing for awhile. Whatever was the point of all of it, like the author of Ecclesiastes ….I must have just missed it.


          • 🍺Gunny66 says:


            I understand………..and agree. Look just at the few response, John Post, myself, others.

            Do we ever really get over that pain of the “Crushed Heart”?

            Eastern Philosophy thinks that you learn by your mistakes and come back a stronger person.

            But as you say, why is it necessary to even contemplate even seeing others go thru this charade.

            Yes, there is much beauty and many good people in the world, but I have even been tricked by what the majority insisted were good people.

            I myself am not asking for eternal life. I believe this life we are living is actually a “Dream”……….

            Don’t take me wrong……I have come to believe I am a Warrior in life.
            Not a Warrior to kill or harm people, but to make it thru this life being
            “Impeccable’……Impecability is not perfection….Trying to be “Perfect gives you the excuse that “it is OK to fail”

            Impeccabilaty means you make the best decisions you can make with the knowledge you have at the “Present” moment….therefore you can never regret this decisions or be blamed…….then as the information changes you adjust.

            But, I digress……..Jesus was the greatest Warrior in Life of all eternity.

            Still when I go, I also would rather be just a spirit, a dream.

            I’ve seen enough suffering. Everywhere. In love, and in war.

            I want to thank everyone for even reading my posts.

            And Waltherppk, it is going to see you back again. Your posts are inspiring to me as well as everyone else. No BS.


            Merry Christmas

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            • 🍺Gunny66 says:

              Good to see you back.


            • waltherppk says:

              Merry Christmas back to you Gunny

              God should have Santa Claus bring me a time machine because knowing what I know now I could and would sure go back in time and fix some things that turned out really shitty later, but at the time past seemed to me like a good idea. I bet there is a lot of that kind of past shittiness having gone around, and Santa might need to make more than a few time machine deliveries so all of us Christmas time traveling revisionist historians could put the broken world right.

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              • singingsoul says:

                I am married for 53 years. To make it last there has to be respect and give and take. One cannot only take. At my 45 aniversary I told my husband who started to take me for granted “that he was a better boyfriend than husband.” He has been my boyfriend ever since. He brings flowers takes me on dates. I in return cook him good meals and do the little things that make him happy. One needs to find a way to keep the spice in life fresh.
                Beside love respecting each other and overlook little annoyances that are in one self not in the other.
                Peace and Joy
                Merry Christmas

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  7. Garrison Hall says:

    Have a blessed Sunday, Treepers. 🙂

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  8. Janie M. says:

    At times, such as these, I wish I had the means to rescue them all. All my life I have loved horses.

    Heartbroken Wild Horse Transforms When She Meets Orphaned Foals
    “They lost their mamas and she lost her baby — and tonight they’re a family.”

    PUBLISHED ON 11/08/2018

    Just over a year ago, a wild horse was rounded up with her herd in Wyoming and put in a federal holding facility.

    The wild mare was pregnant. After just a few days in the facility, she gave birth to a baby boy foal.

    The first time Clare Staples saw the beautiful cremello mare was just a few days after she had had her baby.

    Staples, founder of Skydog Sanctuary, was visiting the private Bureau of Land Management (BLM) facility to help rescue wild horses who had been rounded up by the government to clear the land. If horses like this aren’t adopted out, they can end up spending their whole lives in holding facilities — or, worse, they can be sold and end up in slaughterhouses in Canada or Mexico.
    “I posted some photographs of horses,” Staples told The Dodo. “Nobody could see them and I wanted to try and get them adopted out of there.”

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  11. nimrodman says:

    Liberals are now even complaining themselves out of the very things they hold dear.

    Like yoga.

    American University Yoga Club Shuts Down over ‘Cultural Appropriation’

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    • Garrison Hall says:

      “White European dancers will never know my intersectional experience as a Hindu woman, being a brown bodied person and the other aspects of systematic racism that I, as well as other South Asian people, have experienced,”

      This pretty much says it all. Of course the complaining Hindu student isn’t at all bothered by her own cultural appropriation. Virtually everything she wears, uses, or even touches was invented by White Europeans descended people. The whole of the modern world she resides in was created and is maintained by people other than herself. To cease her own cultural appropriation she’d have to stop existing.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        Yes, and the brown skinned peoples of southern Asia are peace loving and non-appropriating of other cultures. Someone rewrite history while I was out of the room?

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      • Lucille says:

        Note how she speaks of “white European dancers.” That’s so she won’t have to embarrass herself by just using the term Caucasian since she’s Caucasian, too.

        If a person doesn’t wish to be treated like a child lacking discernment, then he must stop acting like one.


    • Nancy Steger says:

      And these are the idiots who, as a negligible segment of our population, are helping the government leech away our free speech rights. This country is steadily degenerating into a political/cultural Monty Pythonesque absurdity.

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    • I have no idea how this comment got posted again. I was replying to Lucille way at the beginning of this thread. 😕


      • Lucille says:

        Carol, maybe you were just thinking that you love The Conservative Treehouse! Glad you liked the initial post, too. Wonderful thought for this time of year and every time, really.

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      • Jim in TN says:

        Carol, WP treated your reply as a new, non-reply comment. First time it happened to me was my fault. WP had started a new page, there was just one post, and instead of clicking on reply I entered in the box.

        Second time, WP did it all by itself. I used reply. And WP entered it as a new comment. Still don’t know why. I would blame it on how long it takes me to type. Or the longer time it takes me to think, and reread, and make corrections. But I am rarely fast, and I have been much slower without this happening.

        (And I still miss some mistakes, especially when my autocorrect decides to change my words. And yes, I know the autocorrect is on my device, because I use multiple devices, each with their own autocorrect, each making different types and choices of changes. )

        And so far, WP has only done that, change reply to new comment, to me once, so I haven’t been able to build up observations that might explain why. But we are not the only ones who have said this happened. Several others have commented when it happened to them.

        (And yes, this is much different than replying to an early comment with a long chain of replies and finding your reply at the very end of the chain, far from where you clicked on reply. Check Carol’s new comment. It is in between two of nimrodman’s new comments. All three within a few minutes of each other. All three with the icon in the leftmost position, not indented like a reply.)

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  12. nimrodman says:

    So I was watching Fargo on the telly and there’s the scene where Marge Gunderson is meeting for lunch with Mike Yanagita at the Radisson.

    In the background there’s a piano-bar-piano playing a tune with what I consider compelling chord changes. So, being a musician, I’m of course compelled to do some keyword searching to try to place the song. Wiki for the film has a track listing by scene so I’m able to find out what it is and plug it into YouTube search bar.

    It’s by Gary Katz, off Blood Sweat and Tears’ 2nd album. bio for Katz says he was earlier in Blues Project, a New York based blues-rock band in the mid-60s (had a minor hit with something called “Flute Thing”, I think) and the Even Dozen Jug Band before that.

    At any rate, nice chord changes behind the melody. Nice muted brass in places too.

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  13. Sunshine says:

    I often stop by here to read the Lord’s Prayer. Thank you so much.

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  14. citizen817 says:

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  15. nimrodman says:

    99th inf div 535th soldier and his dog in Belgium in pictured here in a moment of calm between the two

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    • amwick says:

      I hope they have a dishwasher! 🙂


      • Jim in TN says:

        Must be a busy busy time for kitchen and wait staff.

        I wonder how hiring temps or catering companies works with all the security and the required background checks. Must be easier to have a large staff and have them put in a lot of overtime.

        But then who would cook for and serve the kitchen and wait staff when it is their turn for a Christmas Party at the White House? Surely they have earned it.

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        • amwick says:

          I happen to know that VSGPotus can make a really great batch of snickerdoodles,, they are absolutely famous there in the White House,,, but a closely guarded secret… shhhh

          OK, I made that up.. I love the thought of VSGPotus mixing a batch of cookies, and having them with the grandkiddos… *sighs… It would be sight, with an apron over that nice suit…


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    Arlington National Cemetery 15 Dec 2018

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  19. duchess01 says:

    Luke 1:46-47
    “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,”
    “And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”

    King James Version (KJV)

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    • duchess01 says:

      Thoughts on Today’s Verse…
      While Mary’s submission to God’s will costs her in ways we can never imagine, for Jesus to come to life in the hearts of people today our attitude must be the same as her attitude was on this night of miracle and mystery. We too, must be willing to be the Lord’s servant and offer him the praise of our lives and of our lips. In Jesus, the Lord has done great things for us!

      My Prayer…
      Majestic Father, Almighty God, you have done wonderful things for me. You have saved me from sin, you have paid the price for my rebellion, and you have given me the promise of heaven and the Holy Spirit to empower me there. You are greater than I can imagine and your glory is without compare, yet you have stooped so low as to reach me and then raised me back up with you by your grace. I can never fully thank you, for you are more wonderful to me than my words can declare or a thousand years of life could repay. In Jesus holy name I give you all glory and praise. Amen.

      The Thoughts and Prayer on Today’s Verse are written by Phil Ware.

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  20. Dora says:

    Alice Boyd (Scottish) 1825-1897

    View from the Window of Balcony House, Tynemouth – 1864

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  21. Dora says:

    They are going to leave a generation of very confused minds. Or is that the intention?

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  22. smiley says:

    this is for Chuck & Nancy…and why we need a border wall….

    the death of 7 year old Jakelin Amei Rosemary Caal Maquin…the innocent one.

    CBP Releases Detailed Timeline Regarding Guatemalan Girl’s Death

    Dec 15, 2018

    detailed summary of the timeline and emergency care given to this child, in attempts to save her life.

    around 9:15 pm on Dec 6, this 7 yr old child was apprehended with her father and 163 other illegals while trying to cross the border about 1/2 mile west of the Antelope Wells Port-of-Entry at the Bounds Forward Operating Base….

    a an extremely remote location.

    real bad choice on the part of the father.

    after apprehension, they have to wait for transport to the nearest Border Patrol Station…in this case, it was about 94 miles away….or 2-3 hrs driving time, each way.

    and the unaccompanied children are transported first.

    by 5 am Dec 7, the father made the first indication that the child was sick when he noticed her vomiting….even tho he had said she was “in good health” on the Form I/779 at the initial screening the previous night.

    at 11 am, she went into cardiac arrest…she was revived…but the CT scan showed brain swelling…and she was diagnosed with liver failure.

    the child died at 12:35 pm that day.

    she made it to America….and it cost her, her life.

    this a tragedy…on the hands of the organizers, the enablers, the activists, the FATHER…and the Democrats who would rather fund welfare for illegals here than fund a wall at the border to prevent tragedies like this from happening.

    more about this , here…

    Deceased Migrant Girl’s Father Did Not Report Illness For 7 Hours, Says CBP

    Dec 14, 2018

    “the remote and primitive nature” of the facilities in the area where they were apprehended…only one bus available….and unaccompanied minors are transported first…”

    after that father dragged her thousands of hot dry tortuous miles…to try to sneak in to America the wrong way

    …and he knew it.

    …and he still did it.

    because he was told he could.

    and his 7 year old daughter….like an innocent lamb…paid the price with her life.

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    • Donna in Oregon says:

      How many American children have been killed from diseases brought in by illegal aliens?

      In August 2014, the virus caused clusters of respiratory disease in the United States. By mid-October 691 people in 46 states and the District of Columbia had come down with a respiratory illness caused by EV-D68. Five children died.

      It’s back again:

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      • amwick says:

        Why hasn’t that child’s father been charged?… That poor little girl…

        Just a reminder,
        SD has shared some gobsmacking financial information, like the cost to US taxpayers for unaccompanied minors… Here, if you are interested:
        Poking around this website can be very interesting.. and upsetting.

        These poor children are big business, their care is a cash cow, or a gravy train. SMH


      • smiley says:

        the point I was trying to make was related to the suffering and subsequent death of a 7 year old child who literally collapsed and succumbed to the physical shock imposed on her..thru no fault of her own…by the criminally negligent behavior and mindset of illegal migrants and those who encourage…and entice…them.

        the critical issue that you bring up …the health risks to American children…is no less important…but it’s a separate issue unto itself.

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        • Donna in Oregon says:

          I know Smiley, you are a softy. I get it.

          I don’t care about that kid, she is the media flavor of the month.

          Chuck, Nancy, etal should consider themselves lucky that their stupidity didn’t kill anyone in my family. Either from diseases or acts by illegals, I see it all the same.

          I’ve lived in border states and have seen first hand how people are killed by the Cartels and the illegals they bring to the US.

          I have no sympathy for any of these people, politicians, bureaucrats, globalists or illegals.



          • smiley says:

            “I don’t care about that kid…”

            neither did her father, unfortunately.

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          • smiley says:

            and, if I may say again…you might have missed (in your anger) the point there for why I posted those 2 articles…

            whether or not you feel any sympathy for “that kid”…

            my point…was to try to highlight where the fault(s) lie in this…before the myriad
            Leftist lawsuits…and the ubiquitous UN…start rolling in to exploit this for all it’s worth.

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            • Donna in Oregon says:

              My criticism was not of you Smiley, it is directed at the media and criminals that manipulate the American public to get their way.

              My sympathy/empathy rests with Americans.


        • czarowniczy says:

          The damage she was subjected to was imposed on her by no one except her parents who had custodial responsibility for her. Her death, again had she been an American middle class child, would be placed squarely and solely upon her parents by any US court. US Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit excluded.

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          • andyocoregon says:

            Yes, but as smiley said, we need The Wall and greatly enhanced border security to prevent the illegal crossings of the interlopers. We also need to eliminate Sanctuary Cities and States. We need to run E-Verify on all employees. We need to stop giving welfare, food stamps and other government handouts to illegal aliens. We need to prosecute those who harbor, employ or otherwise aid illegals. We need to deport all undocumented people we can catch.
            We need to eliminate all the magnets that attract illegal aliens to come here.

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        • Jim in TN says:

          Smiley, different but not separate.

          There are a host of different issues, all brought together in the one concept of immigration. When we allow them to separate these issues, we facilitate their denying reality piecemeal.

          Yes, all these issues have been known, and dealt with, for a very long time. And they are still dealt with in many places, even by those who want to take advantage of us when we fail to deal with them.

          They don’t care about protecting us. Indeed, their designs are meant to hurt us.

          They don’t really care about the immigrants either. It is obvious in your example. Her death only matters in as much as it can be used to further their agenda. Blindingly obvious.

          We can have safe and legal immigration. We can stop the unsafe, illegal immigration and all the problems that come with it. But we need to properly associate all the problems with the cause. Or we will never get the problems solved, and we will be turned into just another nightmare of problems without solutions.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        The hospitals have been telling staff to be on the lookout for diseases though eliminated here.
        Tuberculosis comes immediately to mind. At one time the increase in it was attributed to immigrants but PCness took over and now you must treat every patient as if s/he had some horrific condition – an extension of the AIDS pandemic.
        I like how, when I enter my doctor-owned hospital’s feeder clinic there’s a poster on the door alerting me to advise the staff if ‘I’ have traveled to any of the fetid 3rd world countries listed on it. A neat way to transfer the illegal’s onus on to me.

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      He did not tell them she was sick because he knew that might keep them out. He brought her with him, probably leaving more family behind, because she was his ticket in. I have no compassion or respect for him. Our border patrol is not responsible for a person’s bad parenting.

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    • czarowniczy says:

      As I wrote at another post, had these folks been an American middle class family out trekking with their kids and knowingly put them into a position where they wouldn’t have food or water for days – they’d have been prosecuted.

      The second they set foot into US territory and didn’t do all in their power to feed, hydrate and secure their child’s wellbeing they were guilty of a crime, committed while in the process of committing another crime. You could argue that every family in that group of 160+ that was rounded up illegally entering who didn’t provide adequate food, water and care for their children are also guilty…but no one has the cajones to prosecute.

      DHS is reporting that where single illegal crossers were the norm we now see families making up a majority. Not mentioned is if, as we’re told, the cartels control the illegal trade and it’s too expensive for many single crossers to pay, then how can families escaping the poverty of Central America afford the huge fees to cross? Who’s paying for them?

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  23. Donna in Oregon says:

    The best ways to respond to an insult, according to Steve Jobs

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  24. nimrodman says:

    Pays a couple hundred bucks for an African Ancestry DNA test to find out what tribe she’s from
    Gets a surprise

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    • amwick says:

      I could see this coming a mile off….

      Liked by 2 people

      • amwick says:

        It was an interesting discussion re the various dna testing services, but the big reveal is right around 5:00….

        I have read that if you submit samples to 5 different DNA companies you may very well get 5 different results… So,,, I don’t know if there is some kind of accuracy measure available?

        BTW we have a friend who was adopted as an infant, and grew up knowing about the adoption. Not a big deal to her,, she had a loving family etc,,, but a couple years back her husband gave her one of these DNA tests as a Christmas gift. Not to find her biological family, it was more about her ancestry… We all thought she may have come from Irish people, but it turns out her ancestors were from the Ukraine… hmmmmm I thought is was a really great gift…

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        • auscitizenmom says:

          I have been tempted to do one of these tests because my great-great-grandmother was supposed to be full Cherokee. I have a picture of her and she looks like it, and my grandfather, her son, looks almost like the Indian-head nickel. My sister researched our ancestry and she was listed as white, but they said that often if they spoke to one family member who was white, they assumed that the others were.

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          • Jim in TN says:

            Be careful in understanding the various tests.

            Mitochondrial DNA, found in the body of the cell, comes solely from the egg cell before it is fertilized. It hardly changes over the generations. Mother to all her children, usually unchanged. Daughters pass it on to their children. Sons create children for some other mom’s daughters.

            Nuclear DNA, found in the cell nucleus only, is contributed by both parents. Only identical twins will share identical nuclear DNA. Everyone else gets different combinations of mom’s and dad’s traits.

            But a father gives an X chromosome to his daughter and a Y chromosome to his son. While a mother gives an X chromosome to both. This means that there is a rarely changing chromosome passed down, usually identically, from father to son.

            So you can trace everybody’s maternal lineage and you can trace male paternal lineage.

            But trace is a poor term. You can look at how many rare mutations separate you from someone elses test. There just aren’t a whole lot of differences between people. You can put guesses on how often rare mutations occur. Admittedly educated guesses. And use the number of differences to estimate when two people descended from the same mom, or the same father. And we all come from one woman. And all men come from one man. And they don’t have to be Adam and Eve. All men could come from Noah. At least the biblical stories say we do. But the time frame is hundreds of thousands of years ago, not thousands.

            And no, it is not possible to measure, with any precision, what fractional ethnicities make up your genealogy. Not with DNA. There is always intermixing, it is how life stays healthy. And not with birth records. For most of us, records just don’t go back far enough.

            All humans came out of Africa. You just have to go back far enough.

            Some Europeans have Neanderthal contributions.

            Some Asians have Denisovan contributions. (One of which is the ability to stay healthy at high altitudes.)

            Our understanding keeps changing. Expect the known ‘facts’ to be different in 20 to 50 years.

            And don’t trust their accuracy. It is more like a similarity measure than an ancestry measure. They will even give different ethnicity measurements to people who have well established common ancestry, i.e. brothers and sisters.

            Maybe someday, they will be able to track down every chromosome the way they can track down the Y chromosome. We each have 23 pairs of Nuclear chromosomes, mom providing half and dad providing half. Maybe there were other Adam’s and Eve’s whose lineage died out, but who left us some contributions.

            There are slightly less than 8.4 million combinations possible from each of your mom and dad when having kids. That makes over 70 trillion possibilities. And there are billions of us alive today. But even identical twins activate and deactivate genes differently and age differently, so there is yet more variety among us.

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      “Pays a couple hundred bucks for an African Ancestry DNA test”

      IMO that is just as bad as giving all your personal info voluntarily to fascistbook, or the google monster.

      Liked by 2 people

    • czarowniczy says:

      uh oh…the Mandingo scenario…
      Oh well, she at least say that she’s more than 1-1024th African, maybe she ans Liz can go out for a drink and commiserate.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Katherine McCoun says:

      1) She says that she thought she was going to find out interesting about her heritage — I would think that finding all of this out was interesting as it was completely new information to her. Seems that her family had never told her she had a mixed race marriage back in the 1800s.

      I see a number of videos of black people finding out how much European ancesepsstory they have and blaming it all on rape/forced sex with owners, etc. They never think it was voluntary by either party or that it could have been a love match or even a marriage. Sad. In the 1600s, 1700s and as this person’s story shows, even the 1800s there ware mixed race marriages.

      2) She thought she was going to be from Ghana because that is how she looks, according to others. Really? Here are links to people from Ghana


  25. Donna in Oregon says:

    Here is finally a report that explains how the D68 virus got here in 2014

    Here is CTH and WMD report showing the maps of Obama illegals and D68.

    Pardon me if I don’t shed crocodile tears over the dead illegal kid, I’ll use my tears and sympathy for the families of these American kids that were killed by Chuck, Nancy, and the rest of the Globalist d*cks of the world.

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  26. duchess01 says:

    A Very Personal Christmas Message From Almighty God – Christmas Is For You! Yes, You!

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  27. smiley says:

    The Derelict


    (no date)

    Jackson Peak


    (no date)

    Cattle Near Eden


    (no date)

    Marc Bohne ~ American (b.1955, Texas) ~ Contemporary ~ Realism ~ Landscapes

    more, here…


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  28. Dora says:

    What kind of lives can these beautiful young girls look forward to now? Where are their parents?


    Young girls in Finland are increasingly groomed and abused by adult migrant men – Police issue warning

    Liked by 2 people

    • JTR says:

      The same thing happened in Rotherham, England on a much larger scale. The police turned their heads for years, because they didn’t want to be seen as racist. A group of Pakistani men abused, drugged and pimped out over 1400 young girls.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Dora says:

        Terrible. Just terrible.

        Why the heck are people so terrified of the word racist?

        Can’t they see the consequence of their silence?


      • czarowniczy says:

        Just wait until the guys from Mideast countries where the sexual abuse of young boys is almost cultural start getting reported. One of the incidents that solidified the early Taliban was a case where a group of warlord’s minions at a checkpoint sexually abused a group of young students on their way home from school. This aspect of Mideast culture is seldom mentioned – amazing what you can overlook when you need something from them.


  29. getfitnow says:

    If this article was meant to elicit sympathy for the Clintons, in some perverse way, it didn’t work, imo. All the crimes conveniently eliminated.

    FTA – To see the Clintons on the first night of their new tour, you had to pass under a row of giant Canadian flags. On the second night, everyone spoke French on the way out.

    Live Nation promises 10 upcoming performances by the Clintons next spring, and if the first two nights mean anything, this will be a tour on which nothing is quite right — a weird blend of darkness and nostalgia, of out-of-place things.

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  30. Donna in Oregon says:

    Still looking for a New Years outfit, had to pass this on these are darling and the prices are great.

    (for guys too)

    Liked by 2 people

  31. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ infidels!

    Liked by 8 people

  32. Donna in Oregon says:

    12 Life Secrets From People Who Have Lived the Longest


  33. duchess01 says:

    In Jesus’ Name

    Liked by 1 person

  34. Lucille says:

    UN counterterror top dog calls for “rehabilitation” of ISIS jihadis and their “reintegration” into Western societies
    December 16, 2018 11:50 AM By Robert Spencer

    Another inexpert “expert.”


  35. Herbert Kroll says:

    #Trump #Winning: The Dutch government has announced it will increase the defense budget with a possible raise of up to sixty percent. The Dutch armed forces will buy 15 extra Joint Strike Fighters and will create a tank bataillon, when there is now none.

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  36. Stormyeyes says:

    this pretty much says it all………….Enjoy

    Subject: Snow thing

    It Snowed Last Night..
    8:00 am: I made a snowman.
    8:10 – A feminist passed by and asked me why I didn’t make a snow woman.
    8:15 – So, I made a snow woman.
    8:17 – My feminist neighbor complained about the snow woman’s voluptuous chest saying it objectified snow women everywhere.
    8:20 – The gay couple living nearby threw a hissy fit and moaned it could have been two snowmen instead.
    8:22 – The transgender man..women…person asked why I didn’t just make one snow person with detachable parts.
    8:25 – The vegans at the end of the lane complained about the carrot nose, as veggies are food and not to decorate snow figures with.
    8:28 – I was being called a racist because the snow couple is white.
    8:31 – The middle eastern gent across the road demanded the snow woman be covered up.
    8:40 – The Police arrived saying someone had been offended.
    8:42 – The feminist neighbor complained again that the broomstick of the snow woman needed to be removed because it depicted women in a domestic role.
    8:43 – The council equality officer arrived and threatened me with eviction.
    8:45 – TV news crew from ABC showed up. I was asked if I know the difference between snowmen and snow-women? I replied “Snowballs” and am now called a sexist.
    9:00 – I was on the News as a suspected terrorist, racist, homophobe sensibility offender, bent on stirring up trouble during difficult weather.
    9:10 – I was asked if I have any accomplices. My children were taken by social services.
    9:29 – Far left protesters offended by everything marched down the street demanding for me to be arrested.
    There is no moral to this story. Welcome to the country of snowflakes.

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  37. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    A word of warning for 2019 and beyond.

    Liked by 3 people

  38. Luke Adachi says:

    what is judge sullivan going to do ?


  39. Dora says:

    This is wonderful news! It was announced in September, but I didn’t notice it until today. What a terrific First Lady Melania is.


    First Lady Melania Trump Unveils Restored Historic Furniture Suite

    Mrs. Trump is pleased to unveil the recently restored Bellangé suite, a collection of furniture made for the White House in 1817 by Pierre-Antoine Bellangé. In 2005, in response to the deteriorating condition of the historic Blue Room furniture, the White House curatorial staff began to study how to restore the suite to its original appearance. Plans were submitted to the Committee for the Preservation of the White House, which approved the restoration project. For over 10 years, a dedicated team of curators has been working with experts to complete the restoration.

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  40. cmcallm says:

    Went to the new Clint Eastwood movie “The Mule” last night. Really good story (based on a true story) and a lot of lessons and nonpolitcaly correct real life situations that happen to people and families. Family values, priorities, race, age, culture, common sense and personal responsibility all addressed in Clint’s un-filtered way. If you liked “Grand Torino” you will like “The Muke”. Worth it!

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  41. Katherine McCoun says:
  42. auscitizenmom says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  43. auscitizenmom says:

    A prayer for Justice Kavanaugh and Col. Flynn:

    Prayer to St. Michael

    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle;
    be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
    and do you, O prince of the heavenly host,
    by the power of God,
    thrust into hell Satan and the other evil spirits
    who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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