Saturday December 8th – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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204 Responses to Saturday December 8th – Open Thread

  1. Laura Kelly says:

    For those interested latest report from France has 700 arrested and more people joining the protests. Local time 1430.

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  2. Sepp says:

    Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn was born in 1918.

    The Nobel Prize Laureate was given refuge in Switzerland and then in the USA (Vermont) for many years. Although he returned to Russia, his family and friends established an Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Center in Vermont.

    The website for the Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Center is below. The materials assembled on the website are an excellent collection.

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  3. Sepp says:

    In 1978, the Nobel Prize Laureate, Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn gave his much anticipated address at Harvard. His observations about the loss of courage and about the workings of the press are as timely as ever.

    The link below is to the Facing Islam blog and the page contains two items:

    the VIDEO and the TEXT of his address, which is rare for both to be available on the same site.

    (Sometimes switching from WordPress to blogspot presents an initial hurdle.)

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  4. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ infidels!

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  5. Gregory Jenkins says:

    Might someone explain to me, why if NSA collects all data TEXTS – EMAILS – PHONE CALLS – ETC..! Why on earth is it that we are still looking for example 33,000 emails and all of these so called communications between Russia and the POTUS Trump or anyone related to his campaign or staff or anything else for that matter? Shouldn’t all of that information be logged by the NSA and readily available for review? For the life of me I can not figure out a reason! I confuses me because both sides are supposedly still searching for info on each other and we are told that all data is collected by NSA!

    Am I missing something?


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    • alligatriot says:

      Hi Gregory.

      First, it’s a fallacy that the NSA collects “all” communications of any sort.

      Second, although they collect a huge amount of data, it takes a potentially long time to review such data, analyze content and determine its significance.

      Third, we “assume” they haven’t found anything. Actually, they may have found much of interest but due to its classified nature, there may be a limited amount of individuals who could be made aware of its existence.

      Fourth, with regard to President Trump and Russia, there simply may be nothing to find!

      I’m going with number four.

      We humans have become accustomed to “instant gratification” for everything and when we don’t get what we want when we want it, we get grumpy. Patience is a virtue.


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      • Gregory Jenkins says:

        First off thanks for sharing this info!

        I believe that the NSA has the technology to collect any and all communications, this isn’t a wiretap, it’s a country/world wide – tap. I understand that many lines and satellites funnel into few main lines/satellites which run all info. I also believe that we have the Artificial Intelligence to dissect the captured info required at the push of a button to get to those communications that are necessary reasonably quickly.

        Reports have shown-and the government has admitted—that the government is mass collecting phone and internet metadata of all US citizens under the guise of the Patriot Act. Again, “””IMO””” especially of those at the very top of our government, political parties, religious organizations and other powerful entities!

        NSA analysts generally can intercept the communications of anyone they select, including, as one NSA document put it, “communications that transit the United States and communications that terminate in the United States” because all data is being collected to choose from. Why if the technology is available to collect “some” would they not collect “all” using the same technology! For example: The XKeyscore program also allows an analyst to learn the IP addresses of every person who visits any website the analyst specifies. So if they can gather info from “any website” (all websites)!

        I simply do not believe that the technology today is limited to “some electronic communications” but rather is all encompassing.

        So back to my point – we are looking for the communications of very few select people on very few networks – we have the info stored at the NSA database and it is easily accessible and the info should not take 3 years of investigation and millions of dollars to find.

        I’m no expert on this and I could be wrong.


        • alligatriot says:

          Despite articles from purported experts to the contrary, “all” communications are not collected. Even if it were feasible to do so, the ACCURATE filtering and analysis of that amount of data would take a massive effort, technologically as well as human.

          It is a popular belief that we can simply say: “NSA, give me all phone calls, emails, texts, tweets from Subject #1” and it would be a fairly easy task to do so. Our technology is good, our analysts are good but neither has reached this point of spycraft.

          Let’s assume I am mistaken (don’t tell my wife, she thinks I’m perfect). Even if we could do the above, and even notwithstanding the provisions of The Patriot Act, providing meaningful analysis of such communications to those who could act upon it according to existing laws would be daunting.

          Then, there is the small matter of just whom do we trust to “do the right thing” with that information? Which is why we are facing such a conundrum over the need to revamp DOJ/FBI and probably all of our intelligence agencies. Trying to do so without the understanding of the American people is a road fraught with danger to the Republic, in my opinion. It most certainly needs to be done.

          In my own long-winded way, I agree with you that we should have the information to which you’re referring without spending so much time and money to get at it. However, I also believe there are many other factors at play which influence that goal.

          Small note. Twenty-plus years in the business fuels my opinion about how difficult effective intelligence gathering is and, especially, how tricky it is to accurately identify and analyze potentially meaningful data.

          To quote a famous Treeper (that would be YOU!): “I’m no expert on this and I could be wrong.”

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          • Gregory Jenkins says:

            I love your writing and insight into the situation! Thanks again for engaging with me in this discussion and taking the time to share with me what you do know.

            I guess I will end with this, I sure wish we had it all and this could all be put to rest with a quickness.



  6. blondegator says:

    Thank you Treepers, for the weekly Caturday fix. Back at you!

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  7. Dora says:

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  8. Katherine McCoun says:

    Saw this on facebook – IDK the origin or I would give credit….

    Since the banning of “Baby Its Cold Outside” in light of the #MeToo movement, please boycott the Christmas song “I want a Hippopotamus for Christmas” because it exploits endangered Hippos. While we are at it the same goes for:
    “Santa Clause is Coming to Town” = Fake News
    “Little Drummer Boy” = Gender Neutral
    “White Christmas” = Racist and xenophobic
    “O’ Come all Ye Faithful” = Exclusive
    “God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen” = Anti-Feminist
    “All I Want for Christmas is You” = Stalking
    “Blue Christmas” = implies male/boy righteousness
    “The 12 Days of Christmas” = anti-Semitic (8 days)
    “Santa Baby” = Reverse #metoo and exploits handouts
    “O Little Town of Bethlehem” = Pro Jew and xenophobic
    “Winter Wonderland” = dismisses wonderlands that don’t have winter
    “Its the Most Wonderful Time of the Year” = exclusive against 4th of July and Summer
    “Let it Snow” = Not fair to those where it does not snow
    “Do You Hear What I Hear” = insensitive to hearing impaired
    And last but not least….
    “I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus” = promotes adultery

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  9. F.D.R. in Hell says:

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  10. duchess01 says:

    What Hope Is There For a Broken Egg?

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  11. Monticello says:

    We have the best government that money can buy.
    Mark Twain

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  12. wtd says:

    The Old Lamplighter” Swing and Sway with Sammy Kaye (Charles Tobias & Nat Simon 1946) LYRICS

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  13. citizen817 says:

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  14. Lucille says:

    “Houston Mayor honors Hamas-linked group, proclaims December 9 ‘CAIR-TEXAS, Houston Day’.”
    December 7, 2018 by Robert Spencer

    Whose bright idea was this?

    CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case — so named by the Justice Department. CAIR officials have repeatedly refused to denounce Hamas and Hizballah as terrorist groups.

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  15. JustaVerb says:

    !!***Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos sat down for an interview at the American Priority Conference, one day after serving a brief prison term connected to the Russia investigation.***!!


  16. Sepp says:

    Camp Fire

    According to info from the Butte County Sheriff’s Office, there are three names remaining on the list of unaccounted for persons:

    Sara Fabila-Martinez
    John Demianew
    Wendy Krug

    The number of persons who died in the fire stands at 85.

    Identification of the human remains continues, but the names of several more victims have been released.

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  17. duchess01 says:

    Somebody prayed by Larry Howard

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  18. auscitizenmom says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  19. auscitizenmom says:

    A prayer for Justice Kavanaugh:

    Prayer to St. Michael
    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle;
    be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
    and do you, O prince of the heavenly host,
    by the power of God,
    thrust into hell Satan and the other evil spirits
    who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls.

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