Sunday October 22nd – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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164 Responses to Sunday October 22nd – Open Thread

  1. citizen817 says:

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  2. citizen817 says:

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    • old45model says:

      I had noticed this, all the way from Down Under. He is actually being very thoughtful towards animals – they require care and attention by humans and their needs should, by necessity, come before the rest of the family. This can oftentimes lead to discord within a family.
      Additionally, the lifestyle he is required to lead does not lend itself well to the care and attention of pets – especially with so much work to do.
      It is better that he doesn’t have a ‘status symbol for photo opportunity’ pet that would actually have to be cared for by others – a dog (and yes, even a cat) should only have one ‘master’. This applies to all animals and birds, whether tame or living wild and free.
      My ‘mate’ is an elderly dog, now deaf, that responds to hand signals (and sometimes just a “look”) – but as soon as I move he is on my left heel – there are always things to do and to see.
      This does not mean the dog is allowed in the house or the interior of a motor vehicle – he is a cattle dog, meant to be outdoors (and sometimes pongs if he has found something dead and smelly to roll in – or, “Heaven” in the guise of a fresh cow pat). Nor does it mean that he doesn’t get a good bed to sleep upon or a good kennel to sleep in. He gets played with, brushed and washed regularly – now that he is getting a little too old to jump on the back of the quad to wander the paddocks. The only time he sees a chain is when lightning/thunder are in the vicinity.
      I have cattle and horses that respond to hand signals at a distance and the spoken word or whistles when up close. The wild birds around here respond to hand signals as well as a variety of whistles and sounds.
      None of these animals or birds are forced to do anything – it is always their choice (albeit with a bit of bribery).

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      • Jim says:

        Well, now you have started it…dog stories…
        I had a dog once. Name was “Rhett Butler” of all things. We took him to Wrightsville Beach, NC and he loved running on the sand with the waves lapping at his paws. One day the town passed a leash law and he was out running before we knew this. Of course the dog catcher picked him up and took him to jail. We bailed him out and the local newspaper got wind of it. Sent a reporter to cover the story to increase awareness of the leash law. Closing line of the story was, “We asked Rhett Butler what he thought of the new leash law and he replied, I think it should be Gone with the Wind!”

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      • RyderLee says:

        Old45model , Lovely Story , Thank You for Sharing ☺

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      • singinsoul says:

        I have a cattle dog that is allowed in the house. She sleeps in my bedroom . She is my shadow. My Saffi Coohound mix is my husband’s dog and his shadow. My cattle dog is my zen dog and she looks out for me.

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    • CiscoKid says:

      There’s enough congresscritters in DC, no need for any more.

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    • Lburg says:

      No time for traditional pets – he’s busy taming the shrew and the panda.

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  3. Grandma Covfefe says:

    A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
    Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
    Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
    There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
    Ps. 91:7-10

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  4. USA loves Melania says:

    I think Kentucky may just have the prettiest official state song:

    Kansas also has a nice state song:

    The official state song of Connecticut is “Yankee Doodle”.

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  5. citizen817 says:

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  6. Garrison Hall says:

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  7. maiingankwe says:

    A few days ago I had asked for a bit of help from some of the good Treepers here. My daughter had received a vile and nasty visit from a boy in her seventh grade on Snapchat.

    The very next morning I went to the school and was offered to fill out an incident report, which I did. I had asked to speak to the principal or a counselor. After waiting about forty minutes they sent me home and asked for me to return at 1:30pm.

    When I returned, I spoke to the seventh grade counslor and showed her the screenshot of the conversation. I explained that I understood it was off of school property and they may not have any authority to do anything. I was offered a mediation of the two students, so they could work it out and she would ask my daughter on Monday if this was the course she would like to take. My daughter plans on declining, she doesn’t want to be anywhere near him.

    I was also offered to make a police report, which our police station is close by. I explained this was my last resort. I knew they would not be able to bring the parents in or let them know in great detail of what had happened, so I suggested they call the parents and give them my phone number, so I could explain what their son had done and to make them aware of his behavior. I had let it known it was my fear this boy had talked to other girls in the same manner since it looked to me as he had written this stuff before.

    I was told I would be notified by the vice principal no later than the middle of next week. I got a call a little less than two hours later or there abouts. He promised me he would call and let them know their son had been cyber bullying and to please call the parent of the child it had happened to.

    I received that call right as we were leaving for my daughter’s gymnastics session. I had asked if I could return the call in forty minutes since I didn’t want to talk and drive, especially with icy spots or with my daughter in the car.

    I called on time. After a short discussion we decided it would work best if she could see the screenshot. She said she’d call back right away, but I swear it took at least 6-7 minutes later of what could’ve been read in 30 seconds. I’m sure she was thinking of how to reply.

    She didn’t believe it was her son who had done this and wanted more evidence. She asked for me to go back in and take more screenshots to catch his full name. It doesn’t work that way though, so I said I had two extra bits that may of be of help to her. I told her the boy had attended the same elementary school until third grade, attended my daughter’s birthday party two years in a row and I had pictures of both smiling and laughing. I named the school too. I also told her my daughter had given me the first and last name of the boy, which I recited back to her.

    The mom was in complete shock and was silent for a bit. She told me she had done her best to raise her son better than this and he was a 4.0 student. I told her my daughter got the same grades and she dressed appropriately in school, however, that should not make a difference. She then attacked the victim a bit until I put a halt to that. She did it in a round about way, and if anyone wants me to get into that long conversation I can. Let’s just say my daughter is not left alone to be promiscuous, and she doesn’t have the time anyways with all of her training and competition. My daughter does not roam the streets. For one, she’d be terrified and two, she actually has her head on right.

    The mom did apologize and say she was embarrassed and said sorry that my daughter had to experience that. The mom was visibly upset and couldn’t believe her son would do something so horrible and how she thought she had done all the right things.

    She wanted her son to apologize to my daughter, however, she did not want all the kids to learn of his behavior. I told her she had my phone number and to have him call and I would pass the phone to her on Saturday. Unfortunately, it’s after 9pm and he has not called. If he does not apologize at school I may call and ask her why not my daughter has not received an apology. I was also assured she would take care of it as in the way he may receive some good punishment, what that may be I don’t know, she didn’t tell me and I don’t think she had made her mind up yet either. I put this mom in a bit of shock.

    Anyways, I just wanted to thank my fellow Treepers for the help and support I received. It was much appreciated. I also wanted to give a heads up on what happened with the school and so forth.
    Be well,
    Ma’iingankwe

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    • Too Real says:

      Wow, just be careful—that is so wrong for your daughter to experience this situation. I am sure with your guidance, she will learn to work through this. God Bless you and your daughter–I also pray for protection and peace. I pray that the young man and his mother see clearly and make the best choice.

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    • Minnie says:

      God bless you, my friend.

      You are a wonderful mama ❤️

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    • Garrison Hall says:

      What **should** have happened is that the principal should have taken charge, brought the parents and kid into his office for a little talk about proper behavior. When I was a principal, this is how I routinely handled problems like this. I could do that because I had a lot of autonomy and was totally, 100% in charge of discipline. Today, however, with the advent of “progressive” education practices that’s all changed. Principals and vice-principals have virtually no job-security, literally existing from one semester’s accountability measure to the next. As a result, they are terrified of offending anyone, so much so that their first thought when faced with a bullying problem is to do nothing in hopes that the problem will go away without them having to take sides. This is, of course, shameful but it’s something parents should be aware of. If you aren’t getting satisfaction—meaning this kid stops bullying your daughter—your best bet is to bypass the school administration and complain directly to the school-board member that represents your district. In modern schools that’s where the real power to get things done resides.

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      • maiingankwe says:

        Thank you, Garrison Hall, I wasn’t aware I could report this to the school board member of my district. My goodness, I’m ashamed I don’t even know their name. At least I can call the school and make it an easy fix.

        I did get a lot of, well, this did happen off of school grounds, so really our hands are tied. We can keep an incident report on file in case something else happens and it is done on school grounds. It would be our suggestion to file a police report.

        I knew I was taking a long shot, and I had prepared myself well for that. I do have to say, I was pleasantly surprised that they had called the parents and had passed on my phone number. My main goal was for the parents to be aware of their child’s behavior. I will say I am disappointed that the boy never called to apologize, which makes me wonder if he somehow talked his way out of it. It’s hard for me to imagine that since I thought the mom was pretty smart in the first place. However, my mom was one smart cookie and my brother was able to weasel his way out of some pretty bad things I had thought he would never have been able to do, especially with the evidence.

        For instance, at sixteen he had borrowed my parents car on a Friday night. The next morning my Mom had found a long receipt from the liquor store. How he got out of that one I still haven’t figured it out, but he did. I always thought it had something to do with the mom and son relationship. I do know my Mom went down to have a talk with the store manager though. Poor guy.

        I keep thinking of the screenshot and how there is simply no way he could deny or talk his way out of, but I simply don’t know, especially when I look back to my brother and all of the things he got out of.

        I will call the mom back on Tuesday if my daughter does not receive an apology by the end of Monday. I need that closure.

        Again, thank you. I so wish you were their principal. At least I would have faith in the safety of our children while they are gone all day Monday through Friday.
        Be well,
        Ma’iingankwe

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  8. maiingankwe says:

    I’ve been doing a lot of thinking today, with a lot of my memories from the past bubbling up. This all came up from watching a part of the show called, Fixer Upper. I found myself smiling, knowing that this couple and their families are close to our Creator. Directly after that thought, I started to wonder if I would’ve felt the same way a few years ago. You see, usually when I heard people professing their love of our Creator, I would run like hell. I so hated people preaching down to me. I had enough of that growing up with some real nasty experiences.

    I grew up always loving my Creator and finding a way for me to be close to my Creator without anyone else muddling up my way. And even though I always loved God, I wanted nothing ever to do with another church for as long as I lived.

    I know this sounds pretty harsh and I’m sure a mouth or two have fallen in horror, but I’ve learned to always speak the truth as I know it. Maybe another time I will write of one of my many terrible and very personal experiences with those who had masked themselves with their belief in God. They hid well behind their church doors.

    I’ve come to realize though, there are a great many wonderful people behind those church doors that bring sunshine to so many as they walk out into their neighborhoods and so forth. They carry the light of Christ.

    Please know that is probably the first time in my life I have ever written ‘Christ’. Oops, did it again, and it didn’t hurt one bit, imagine that? I used to dislike people putting Christ in front of our Creator and as if they were both the same when I had always thought one was our Creator, the other, the son. I never saw an equality between the two.

    Anyways, I’m carrying on far too much. I just wanted to say that at the end of my thoughts, CTH came into my mind and stayed for a long while as I was thinking.

    I truly believe that many of you here have greatly helped soothe my pain of the past and my intentional split of church people. I find myself reading passages from the Bible that fellow Treepers have written to help us along our way. I used to skip over them, now I enjoy reading them. I even star them from time-to-time.

    I accept peoples prayers rather than hide from the thought of someone doing it on my behalf. Yeah, I was pretty messed up for awhile. I won’t deny it. I also find myself praying for a lot of people here who ask or seem like they need one. I’ve been praying a lot for a lot of people and for a lot of reasons.

    I just want to say thank you Treepers for opening up my heart and my mind without ever once pushing your religious views on me. By doing so, you have peeked my curiosity and have brought me even closer to my Creator than ever before. Please don’t forget, I’ve always held our Creator in the highest esteem. It was just the way I saw people pushing their views that had turned me off. I don’t really see that here, or maybe I just don’t see it as much around me anymore, still working that part out.

    I’m also writing of my past memories that have pushed themselves front and center, and I had thought I was completely done with. This all came about a few days after the Weinstein story broke. I’m not done writing, so I really don’t want to talk about it until I’m done and complete with my thoughts.

    We’ve had stories like Weinstein come out often enough, and I have never felt like this before. I’m sure it was buried to deep, otherwise, I have no reason why now. He’s a pig like so many in the past. Not much different.

    However, the most important part of this post is to give thanks to so many of the Treepers here and who have been willing to share their Love of our Creator. It has made me a better person, and I thank a lot of you for that. So, Thank You. Chii Miigwetch (thank you very much).
    Be well,
    Ma’iingankwe

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    • Grandma Covfefe says:

      My heart is with you. You are not alone, in what happened with church. Both hubbie and I are Boomers and grew up in the church and we were wounded deeply in the church world thru uncalled-for judgement attitudes. (We found out later thru other sources that other people had problems with same group of people including 2 pastors’ wives) We finally gave up attending church about 6 years ago, but do attend TV church. Very rough times for us.

      I’ve had to forgive and leave those problems at the Cross and let the Lord take them for me. It was beyond my control, and He has promised He would care care of hubbie and me. He did. We have moved on with peace in our hearts and a mission of a different sort. Someday if the Lord open another door for us regarding a church, we will step out in faith and follow His Will for us.

      Interestingly, the attacks by Satan was raised higher when we felt led to commit fully (100%) to praying and supporting Candidate Trump in July 2015, and Satan hasn’t let up yet, but we have held out, thanks to our home devotions and TCTH. We have flaked off Satan daily and continued our walk with the Lord. Tough times we all are in, but it was to be expected, that we can see now. Satan hates Christians. Sounds familiar?

      We all in this Treehouse are in a major spiritual battle with the underworld.

      —-Eph 6:10-18—–
      Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
      Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
      For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
      Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
      Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
      And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
      Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
      And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
      Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

      —Be Well with your Soul—
      May the Lord Bless you today.

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      • maiingankwe says:

        I am so sorry for you and your husband’s pain Grandmother. It must’ve been so hard to leave a place the both of you have worshiped so long in. I almost feel a bit selfish or petty in what I wrote. However, I know this is not to compare, but to share. It is of compassion and heart. And I felt a lot of that from your words, so thank you.

        I don’t know if the both of you will find another church, but I sure can join in and pray. I know there is hope, lots and lots of it along with Faith. You have to promise to let us know when it happens. It will be a beautiful day of celebration! I have Faith you will both find a new place perfect for the both of you. The more I think about it, the clearer I can see it happen. Fingers crossed and prayers already sent.

        I’d also like to really thank you for the passage you took the time to write out for us. I really like that one.

        You are a beautiful spirit Grandmother, thank you for sharing your light with us.
        Ma’iingankwe

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      Ma’iingankwe, I understand your path because I have followed a similar one.

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    • Minnie says:

      Your honesty is beautiful.

      We have all seen personal trials but few of us speak of them.

      I have had crisis of faith in the recent past, but have always found my way back to the One – the Way, the Truth, the Life.

      Coming here to the Treehouse brings my heart comfort, those who share their faith so lovingly and openly help ease difficult times.

      Thank you for sharing, we are all in this, together.

      Where two or more are gathered in His Name 🙏

      God bless us, everyone ❤️

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      • maiingankwe says:

        Yes Minnie, we are all in this together, it’s what helps make us stronger too. And dang we’re strong aren’t we? Most of the time.

        It’s good to hear this place, CTH, brings you comfort because I just have to say, you have really brightened this place up since you’ve come along. I love all of your characters that you share afterwards. I always look at each and every one, even if there are more than a few. I can’t wait to see what you do for Halloween and Christmas.

        I’m being honest though, you do make this a better and happier place. You’re like this ball of positive and happy light that makes people feel warm and loved. Now that is a special gift and over the internet too.
        Be well Minnie,
        Ma’iingankwe

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    • Jacqueline Taylor Robson says:

      I’ve been there as well, dear Ma’iingankwe. I’ve learned to just trust in Jesus to show me the path, and try to treat others well. We all go through hard times, but trusting in The Lord helps so much. I will keep you in my prayers.

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      • maiingankwe says:

        Thank you for your prayers. It gives me strength and a warm heart.

        I will do my best to continue with my Faith and always making it stronger.

        Thank you for reminding me we are never alone, and there are many of us who have had the same or similar experiences. It’s what we do with them now and how we carry ourselves forward. It’s good to know our Creator is with us every step of the way.
        Be well,
        Ma’iingankwe

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  9. scully7 says:

    Ma, you have no idea how many wounded Christians who could identify with your experience there are out there.
    I am one as well..
    Your sharing has now stirred within me stuff I thought I let go of, but we never really do.
    I too love reading the verses of scripture that our Treepers’ share, I consider this place very precious not just because of Sundances’ wonderful insight but also because of the faith and sense of community there is here, even though I live Down Under.
    I have in front of me a magazine written in 1994, I wish I could share it with you, it ministers to me when this stuff re-surfaces. I am also reminded of a wonderful book called, “The Divine Romance,”by my favorite author Gene Edwards. If you can I would recommend it and any of his books.He also writes about church splits.
    Remember, His grace is sufficient for you and He is always with you.

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  10. smiley says:

    Lunch Time

    oil/canvas

    (no date)

    Michael Malm ~ American (Utah, b.1972) ~ Contemporary ~ Realism/Representational ~ Figurative

    more here…

    http://www.mikemalm.com/representation/

    🙂

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    • Jim says:

      Amazing how artists capture depth, isn’t it? You can reach right out and touch that goose, but the barn is way off in the distance.

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    • kyasgrandma says:

      Every morning I look these paintings that you so kindly post.
      I was more musically inclined as a youth, so my focus tended more to music appreciation.
      I was young and now I am old.
      Art has been begun to fascinate me and I attribute that fledgling fascination to you, Smiley.
      Thank you for these fine posts.
      Each morning I seek them out – for myself and for my sister-in-law.
      I send them to her each morning as a means to brighten her day as she endures cancer treatment.
      Your good deed to us here spreads far and wide and I pray that God will bless you for it.

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      • smiley says:

        so very sorry to hear about your sister-in-law, kyasgrandma.

        but it makes me feel glad that the art is helping to brighten her day.

        thank you so much for letting me know your kind thoughts. ❤

        I will pray for her safe recovery.

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    • litlbit2 says:

      Smiley, you post the most amazing art works. Thank You

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  11. smiley says:

    He is Faithful and True ❤

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    • scully7 says:

      Smiley you are always inspiring

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    • Jim says:

      I so often hear, “God does not answer my prayers.” He always answers your prayers and if you don’t think He does, either you are not listening or you are getting an answer you don’t want to hear.

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      • smiley says:

        well..sometimes He doesn’t answer prayers if we’ve been continually, intentionally disobedient to Him with a “besetting sin” that we choose to ignore, and not pray for his Forgiveness…after confessing it, to Him.

        He also sometimes wants us to WAIT….for His answers.

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      • KittyP says:

        One of my adult sons is both obese and in a stressful job; I have been praying daily for his health (I was worried about a heart attack). Two days ago he called and said “First of all, everything is ok and the tests are negative, and now that you won’t worry I can tell you I have had a medical issue (that none of us suspected) that gave me great concern but is no longer a problem.” God was answering my prayer for my son’s health in His own way, and a side effect was that he had lost weight as well. Our God is an Awesome God!

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  12. nwtex says:

    Barbara Walters is the latest star to find herself sucked into the death spiral of disgraced Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein.

    Barbara Walters faces backlash after Corey Feldman clip resurfaces
    October 18, 2017

    An old video of Walters shutting down actor Corey Feldman when he spoke out about sex abuse in Hollywood on “The View” is recirculating with calls for Walters to apologize.

    Feldman, who has spoken publicly about the abuse he suffered along with fellow ‘80s star Corey Haim, appeared on “The View” in 2013 and did not shy away from speaking out about the powerful person in Hollywood who harmed him. Walters challenged his claim in the sit-down that is now making the rounds as allegations of abuse mount against Weinstein.
    […]

    https://pagesix.com/2017/10/18/barbara-walters-faces-backlash-after-corey-feldman-clip-resurfaces/?_ga=2.105484549.761427478.1508660215-1766863278.1508660215

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    • smiley says:

      BW and meryl streep are 2 of the MOST annoying & over-rated “stars” in hollow-wood heaven, imo.

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      • smiley says:

        when was it…2014 ? BW also viciously defended Woody Allen during his scandal involving allegations of child abuse/ Dylan Farrow….while hollow-wood kept mum about it.

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      • Grandma Covfefe says:

        I agree, Smiley, and Woody Allen, too.
        Remember PeeWee Herman? Ugh.Creepy thing.
        What ever happened to him? But then I almost don’t want to know.

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        • Jim says:

          This scandal is a good example of what happens when man disobeys what was God’s first commandment. These people along with overpaid sports stars are the gods of America. Thanks to PDJT we are seeing them taken down just like the golden calf was taken down by Moses and the tables of the money changers were taken down by our Lord and Savior. We may not get justice from most American courts, but we are getting it through our President. God bless President Trump.

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        • smiley says:

          I don’t keep up with any of that…I just remember that incident b/c it was so creepy…and I was a fan of most of his earlier movies.

          he was a very good director and screenwriter in his genre of comedy films.

          some very funny moments on film.

          private lives, not so much.

          the point I was making was in ref to BW.

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          • smiley says:

            …and (BTW), they, the sex/entertainment industries, can thank the late (disgusting) Hugh Hefner for helping to promote sex addiction and the demeaning of women down to nothing more than ridiculous objects of that addiction…by making it ok and by glamorizing it…laughing all the way to the bank.

            jmo

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  13. duchess01 says:

    Verse of the Day

    “The LORD also will be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble.”
    Psalms 9:9 (KJV)

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  14. duchess01 says:

    Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered!

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  15. JohnP says:

    Hurricane Irma births a beer.

    In sixteen ounce cans. “Smacks you like a ruler!”

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  16. Dora says:

    John Sloan – ‘Fifth Avenue’ (1911)

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  17. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ infidels!

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  18. Nikki/Chico says:

    Good morning, have a blessed Sunday, the Lords day,

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    • GAPTOG says:

      After seeing a post in past weeks of The Our Father sung, I was inspired, promised myself I would sing an Our Father ery morning,but forgot too soon.

      Happily, this morning, in the midst of a most beautiful visually and climately early hour, I sang out loud an Our Father as I strolled down my Driveway w my faithful 10 year old cream lab, my loyal friend and pet.

      Your post reminds me to continue to do so, no matter the weather!! Thank you for the post.

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  19. Dora says:

    I sure hope he has protection.

    ==

    Robert Downey Jr. Blows The Whistle On Elite Hollywood Pedo Ring

    https://worldtruth.tv/robert-downey-jr-blows-the-whistle-on-elite-hollywood-pedophile-ring/

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  20. scully7 says:

    Family Man

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  21. Dora says:

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  22. youme says:

    This is an interview with Jonathan Haidt. Haidt is a secular liberal but I found the discussion of how a liberal thinks as opposed to how most of us here who are religious and conservative think, very informative:

    You can listen to the interview by clicking on “Play Episode” or you can read the transcript.

    https://onbeing.org/programs/jonathan-haidt-the-psychology-of-self-righteousness-oct2017/

    Sample from the interview:

    Mr. Haidt: OK, so very brief background, so one of my main areas of research — my colleagues and I call it moral foundations theory — is about these different — almost like taste buds of the moral sense. So everybody values compassion and fairness, whether you’re liberal or conservative — everybody. But then there are these three others: loyalty versus betrayal, authority versus subversion, and sanctity versus degradation. And what we find is that conservatives give relatively high marks to all five of those. They value all of those, whereas liberals reject those last three — “That’s, like, the foundations of racism and exclusiveness.” And “No,” they — “group loyalty? That’s terrible.” In other words, liberals build their moral matrix, their moral world, on these two foundations, primarily.

    And in one study that I did with my former graduate student, Jesse Graham, we asked liberals and conservatives to fill out our main surveys, pretending to be the other, and also as themselves, for different people. What we found is that conservatives and moderates were very accurate at filling it out as though they were liberals. But liberals were not accurate filling it out as though they were conservatives, because they just couldn’t get their mind into the idea that authority is somehow related to morality; they think it’s just oppression. So that’s one reason why there’s a difficulty, an asymmetric difficulty.

    The other reason is that the media tends to be liberal, as the academic world is, and Hollywood. So you cannot grow up in this country without being exposed to lots and lots of liberal ideas. But it wasn’t until I was about 40 that I happened to pull a book off a shelf that said “conservatism” on it, that I was ever exposed to conservative ideas. And I’m well educated. And I had never encountered conservative ideas. So, there’s a real asymmetry in access to the other side’s ideas.

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    • youme says:

      Mr. Haidt: Yeah, and that makes me — not unique, there are other social scientists who do — but it makes me in the minority. And I was very — I used to be very hostile to religion. And then, in doing this research on moral psychology and coming to see conservative perspectives, and then looking at the social science evidence on the effects of religion, well, it’s pretty clear. I mean it’s a little mixed, there are some mixed findings. But the lit reviews generally find that religion in the United States — and it may not be true in other countries, but in the United States, where we have a competitive marketplace and religions compete for adherence — they’re really nice and warm and open, and they create moral communities that encourage people to not just focus on themselves.

      And so a wonderful book, American Grace, by Putnam and Campbell, is the ultimate authority on this. What they find is that it doesn’t matter what religion you are, and it doesn’t matter what you believe: If you are part of a religious community, then on average, you’re a better citizen. You give more to charity. Religion does bring out the good in people. Now, secular people can be perfectly good too, but on average, they give less, and they give less of their time. So I’d like to think that I simply, as a secular atheist scientist, followed the evidence, and it showed me that I was wrong in thinking that religion was evil.

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  23. duchess01 says:

    SUNDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2017
    The ETERNAL EXPONENTIAL Love And Grace Of Almighty God In Light Of Our EXPONENTIAL Lawless Day!

    http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2014/05/the-exponential-love-and-grace-of.html

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  24. Dora says:

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    • Jim says:

      September 11, 1683 – the other September 11. Think this date is insignificant, think again. The armies of the Turkish caliphate, including their Malaysian allies, laid siege to Vienna in July, 1683. A Polish king was convinced by Catholic monks to intervene with an army even though other kings wanted appeasement. Christian armies led by Sobieski arrived at the Gates of Vienna on 9/11/1683 and defeated the Grand Vizier, Pasha Kara Mustafa. It was a humiliating defeat because Mustafa had vastly superior numbers. Christian armies turned back the conquest of Europe by Islam and if I am not mistaken, Mustafa was hanged, the worst form of death under Islam.
      Do you think Islamists know this? You better believe they do. Do you think they will ever forget? Europe through its hedonism and progressive globalism has opened the gates again for the Islamic invasion that is now occurring. Young western Europeans have abandoned Christianity and are foolishly embracing what will be their ultimate death unless they submit to Islam. The last fight will likely occur in central Europe with Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and any others who will join making the stand. Keep your eyes on this region because in this case as Europe goes, so may the West go also.
      Are there peaceful Muslims, absolutely yes. Is Islam the religion of peace, absolutely no. Think about this and never forget 9/11/1683 will forever be linked with 9/11/2001. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either a fool or an Islamist.

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      • Jim in TN says:

        The correct translation is submission not peace. Islam is the religion of submission. True, it should be peaceful if everybody submits, but they can’t stop warring with themselves, so even that would be untrue.

        And war is necessary against those who resist submission. Had an Iranian try to convince me once that forcing people to submit to Allah is for their own good, and Allah’s will.

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  25. Southpaw says:

    Stories for Noah

    I have been sick as a dog the last couple of weeks. My body is doing things to me that haven’t happened since the day after some hard college partying 40 years ago. So bad I actually went to the doctor. That is the excuse I am using for missing the big family gathering at Disney World this past week. From the pictures I have seen you are surrounded by a score of people who care about you and are having a good time.

    Even if I was 100% I still wouldn’t have attended. As I related in earlier stories my past experience at Disney means I will not ever return. Your grandmother and aunt, your mom and dad, and other family members have said I’m stubborn and crotchety. That is all true. I do hope they bring me back a Grumpy polo shi. My old one from 20 years ago is getting holes in it.

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  26. Dora says:

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  27. scully7 says:

    time for sleep
    Have blessed Sunday and thanks for all the wonderful thoughts. I will dwell on them tonight

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  28. oldiadguy says:

    Be sure to mark you calender’s kids.

    https://refusefascism.org/protests-and-events/

    Fun and games, fun and games.

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    • smiley says:

      o big woot…hope it all tanks & flops & fizzles

      SSDD….

      …that’s from 1934…and they’re still tryin to get it right…er… left.

      (illustration by communist political cartoonist of the day, Jacob Burck, Pulitzer prize winner)

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  29. Dora says:

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    • smiley says:

      …Oswald’s fabled “trip to Mexico”…and the KGB connection…

      IOW…who ELSE was involved, even if he “acted alone” from that window ??

      (or…was “the window” just a decoy for…the grassy knoll ??)

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  30. oldiadguy says:

    As some of you are aware, I have been researching the religious revival in Russia. Here are several videos for a Sunday.

    The first is performed during the celebration for the 1025 years of the Baptism of Rus

    The second is “Until the end, until the death of the cross”

    The last is “Stand up for faith, Russian land.” Notice the individual making the sign of the cross at the beginning and that everyone stands.

    The Russian Orthodox Faith has withstood wars and communism thorough it’s 1000+ year existence and now appears to be making a major religious revival in it’s homeland.

    I pray that Europe and America can have a similar religious awakening.

    Take Care and God Bless

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    • Bull Durham says:

      Excellent post, Oldiadguy.

      Very important for us to understand the importance of the Cross to Russian civilization and policy. Putin brought it back into the limelight and influence of government.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        The Russian “soul” has always been filled with love of the Faith and for their homeland, Mother Russia, even during the Soviet era. We would be well to remember the old maxim, Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: “Do not march on Moscow”. There is a reason for that rule.

        Putin is an enigma to many, but one thing for certain, he has used his powers of state to correct many of the evils that befell the Russian Orthodox Church during the Soviet era. Much of the story is told in articles at http://russian-faith.com/.

        Putin’s baptism. (Note: The video is still there despite you may have to search for PB.)

        Putin Receives Holy Communion at Valaam Monastery

        Putin:”Truly He has Risen!” Easter 2016

        Whether Putin is a true Christian is not for us to say, however, it is evident that the Russian Orthodox Church and its members believe he is.

        Take Care and God Bless

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    • amwick says:

      Sounds crazy, but it reminds me of that song the Rose…

      Just remember in the winter
      Far beneath the bitter snows
      Lies the seed that with the sun’s love
      In the spring becomes the rose

      Interesting times…for what was the Soviet Union..

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    • Jim says:

      For those interested, there is a blog on YouTube called “Different Russia.” It is put out frequently by a wonderful Russian lady who shows stories of every day life in Russia. She has been doing them for a couple of years now and they are fascinating. My take on it: they are very much like Deplorables. Are they like those in their or our urban areas? Not so much. Reassuring and very much worth the short time it takes to watch some of these.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        TY I will check it out.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        I’ve watched some of her videos and they are great!! Here are two that stood out for me.

        The visit to the cemetery on Victory Day.

        And the small town parade.

        Thanks again Jim for the link. This is a great find for those of us who are trying to ascertain who the Russian really are as opposed to what we are being told.

        Take Care and Stay Safe

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    • Jim says:

      Ever seen the Russian Berezka Dance? Berezke=birch. Fascinating to watch, is a traditional dance known all over Russia and gives insight into a small sector of the “soul” of Russia.

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  31. Bull Durham says:

    The history of Russia sending their navy in support of the North/Lincoln in the Civil War is in the link below.
    The friendship between nations was marred by the rise of Soviet ideology.
    But the history is held close in Russian minds. They don’t forget any of their history, as we often do.

    “Russian Admirals had been instructed that, should the U.S. and Russia find themselves at war against Britain or France, Russian fleet was to submit to President Lincoln’s command to operate together with the U.S. Navy against their common enemies.”

    Very good article:

    http://russia-insider.com/en/russian-intervention-us-civil-war-1861-1865/ri21276

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  32. Mariposa323 says:

    Here is an excellent article if we want to truly understand these times we are in , Monsignor Pope hits it out of the ballpark .

    http://blog.adw.org/2017/10/romans-1-prophetic-interpretation-reality-times/

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  33. reverence1 says:

    Today I checked the major german magazines. The worst is Stern (totally screwed), they had a big thing on Harvey Weinstein, but … It starts with a very bad-language decription of a bad guy (you can translate it yourself, I wont) and then it says, that ” too bad this guy is still in the White House and too bad the outraged comments are not about him, but about Weinstein …”
    http://www.stern.de/lifestyle/leute/harvey-weinstein—das-grauen-von-hollywood-7665410.html
    Spiegel magazine has a cover with President Trumps tie (scroll a little down ..):
    http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel//index-13049.html

    So all is done to turn the rage against your president. Thinking about it, I even get the impression, the whole scandal was started exactly for this purpose. Thats how it looks from this side of the Atlantic.

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      This is a tactic the left is using constantly. Whenever anything bad connected to Demonrats leaks out, they immediately deflect to something negative about Pres. Trump, even if it is something they have to make up. But, you do have a point.

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    • Jim says:

      Merkel has them totally invested in the EU. Was over there a couple of years ago and told by a “highly educated” young man that he feels he and his friends are not “Germans” but “Europeans.” The EU MUST succeed for them and if not they will suffer, or at least the politicians who got them into it will suffer. That is why Merkel is doubling down on mass immigration into the EU. Push back is already happening, not only among her people but also all across central Europe. The push back has already spread to the West and is now spreading across Italy, the access point for Europe. Look for Germany to “dig in” and fight those seeking independence from the EU tooth and nail.

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  34. happy Halloween!

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  35. Homesteader says:

    Sexual Predator Award. Who knew?

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  36. 100% YOOPER says:

    4 1/2 hours to go Walking Dead fans in the Eastern Time zone!🤗🤗🤗🤗

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  37. A blessed Sunday to those who share community in the Treehouse.

    I was musing these past days and a prayer began to form from my musings…
    May the glorious Trinity in loving fellowship guide me as I pray and type just now.

    Holy True and Righteous Lord, we invite you into the land you have placed us in.
    We invite you to apply your perfect and fully effective sacrifice to the sins committed here.

    We appeal to your mercy over land and sea, waters and sky, structures and living things.
    Our cry is for cleansing of every stain and the restoration of all things under your authority.
    Our appeal is not just for those we love, but also for those who practice things we hate.

    We invite you into the lives of those that serve in the legislative branch of our nation.
    Deliver them from evil. Use them, in spite of themselves, to restore out nation.

    We invite you into the judiciary of our nation.
    Visit them. Awaken them with dreams that shake them to the core.
    Give them hearts filled with wisdom from Heaven and the courage to follow them.

    We invite you into our nation’s executive institutions.
    Shine your light clearly and deeply that no dark structures remain hidden.
    Break asunder every unrighteous agreement that hinders your purposes.
    Undo that which should never have been done.
    Set free the prisoners who have suffered for righteousness sake.

    Unravel every web of deception.
    Continue to work on the hearts of those who have witnessed the darkness.
    That they may find that you are near to the contrite and brokenhearted.
    That courage would arise. Courage to make you Lord.
    Courage to renounce the darkness and bring your light into it.

    Let the beautiful spirits of your faithful ones stay close to your heart.
    As they move in our fallen and broken world, wash them with the water of your Word.
    May they not go astray and forget the ways of their King and the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Thank you that you are the only One who is truly Good.

    How wonderful that you choose to express your goodness
    through your creation and your creatures.

    Let the prayers we were not wise enough to pray be added to what we have tried to pray just now.
    In your mercy, bless our nation beyond all imagination even now.

    In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,
    Amen.

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