Updates on Mandalay Bay Massacre – Interview With Maintenance Worker Provides More Confusion…

As best can be determined the current narrative (subject to change) is that a security guard, Jesus “Jose” Campos, was dispatched to the 32nd floor due to an alarm from an emergency stairwell door being opened.  [Jose Campos is currently being guarded by a security firm and not available for media interviews].

Sometime after (or during) Campos assignment to check out the alarm, a maintenance worker named Stephen Schuck was sent to check out a fire exit door that would not open.  Presumably this is the same door Campos was assigned to investigate.

Maintenance worker Schuck could not open the door from the stairwell and needed to go back into another wing to come to the front of the exit door on the 32nd floor.

During this Schuck transit time Campos arrived on the 32nd floor and noted the hotel suite door partially open (didn’t knock) and encountered the shooter, Stephen Paddock, who shot Campos in the leg (upper left thigh) and fired multiple rounds through the door.

Maintenance worker Schuck arrives to find Security Guard Campos hiding in an alcove (“poking his head out”) who immediately warned Schuck to get away and then both come under a hail of gunfire.  See video interview:

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According to the last official press conference this ‘hail of gunfire’ was around 9:59pm.  Approximately six minutes prior to Paddock breaking out the hotel windows and spraying the crowd (10:05pm).   According to released audio, maintenance worker Stephen Shuck used his radio to call the hotel security office, inform them of a gunman on the 32nd floor and request a 9-11 call to police.

That’s where things stand based on the latest media publications of events as described:

LAS VEGAS — A maintenance worker said Wednesday he told hotel dispatchers to call police and report a gunman had opened fire with a rifle inside the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino hotel before the shooter began firing from his high-rise suite into a crowd at a nearby musical performance.

The revised timeline has renewed questions about whether better communication might have allowed police to respond more quickly and take out the gunman before he committed the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

Worker Stephen Schuck says he was checking out a report of a jammed fire door on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay when he heard gunshots and a hotel security guard, who had been shot in the leg, peeked out from an alcove and told him to take cover.

“As soon as I started to go to a door to my left the rounds started coming down the hallway,” Schuck said. “I could feel them pass right behind my head.

“It was kind of relentless so I called over the radio what was going on,” he said. “As soon as the shooting stopped we made our way down the hallway and took cover again and then the shooting started again.”

Police said Monday they believe gunman Stephen Paddock shot a hotel security guard through the door of his suite six minutes before he unleashed a barrage of bullets into the crowd of concert-goers, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more.

The injured guard used his radio and possibly a hallway phone to also call hotel dispatchers for help.

That account differs dramatically from the one police gave last week when they said Paddock fired through the door of his room and injured the unarmed guard after shooting into the crowd.

The company that owns Mandalay Bay has questioned the new timeline.

“We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline,” said Debra DeShong, a spokeswoman for MGM Resorts International. “We believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate. This remains an ongoing investigation with a lot of moving parts.”

Las Vegas police did not respond Tuesday night to questions about the hotel’s statement.  (read more)

(Via Chicago Tribune) […] Ten days after the shooting, key details about what unfolded remain a mystery, while officials cannot seem to agree on basic facts about the timeline.

Police in Las Vegas, who had previously said Paddock shot a hotel security guard during the rampage, reversed course Monday and said the guard was actually wounded six minutes before the mass shooting began.

The revelation from Joseph Lombardo, the Las Vegas sheriff, gave way to a new round of questions, including when information about this shooting was relayed to hotel security and when — or if — that detail was then given to the local police. So far, neither the police or the hotel have offered any answers, and both sides have in fact suggested there could be future revisions to the timeline.

“Nobody’s trying to be nefarious, nobody’s trying to hide anything, and what we want to do is draw the most accurate picture we can,” Lombardo said in a television interview Wednesday. “I’m telling you right now, today, that that timeline might change again.”

MGM Resorts, which owns the Mandalay Bay, released a statement Tuesday night casting doubt on the latest timetable Lombardo had announced. In the statement, the company said it “cannot be certain about the most recent timeline” released publicly “and we believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate.”

MGM did not elaborate on what part of the police timeline was inaccurate and did not respond to questions regarding what it was disputing, what happened inside the hotel and whether hotel security officials are required to immediately call the police upon reports of gunshots. Through a public relations firm, MGM declined to make any employee available for an interview Wednesday, and said in a statement: “Security has been and continues to be a top priority at all of MGM Resorts.”  (read more)

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1,030 Responses to Updates on Mandalay Bay Massacre – Interview With Maintenance Worker Provides More Confusion…

  1. Mar says:

    Something seems off, but what do I know.

    Liked by 7 people

    • Publius2016 says:

      Well, they said no new press conferences til Friday but he had to do an interview so there is tremendous pressure…with President Trump’s $1million donation, answers will need to appear by Sunday…expect real video to be released by hotel…Remember this is the FOUR SEASONS (upper floors) and MANDALAY BAY…Steve Wynn came out for a reason…he’s Finance Chair for RNC too.

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    • RedBallExpress says:

      You have just discovered that you are in the Twilight Zone

      Liked by 11 people

    • joninmd22 says:

      Moscow Rules. Trust your gut.

      Something is off.

      Liked by 7 people

    • Blacksmith8 says:

      the hallway video would be timestamped. all of this is junk journalism from the lsm

      Liked by 3 people

      • Ziiggii says:

        Per LATimes there is no hallway video!

        Liked by 1 person

        • MaineCoon says:

          There is no LONGER a hallway video! There. Fixed it.

          Liked by 4 people

        • TreeperInTraining says:

          Heck…I wouldn’t be surprised to hear them say there’s no hallway.

          Paddocks multiple devices weren’t recording. There are no hallway cameras…and 10 days
          into it and we haven’t seen ONE video of Paddock at this hotel during the time period noted.

          I have my theory as to what happened. I think my theory is rational and viable based on recent previous incidents. But there are other theories, also quite viable. Anyone paying attention has a theory. Regardless of what information is presented in the future, lots of folks wont believe whats presented….and frankly, I can’t say that I blame them.

          And so…a Conspiracy Theory is born.

          Imhoo

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    • 4sure says:

      Why would the security guard be under guard?

      Liked by 3 people

    • Jedi9 says:

      I am starting to think that the entire strategy of disinformation and confusion is by design. They (who is they?) do it until the ones asking the questions get exhausted to the point the entire matter is forgotten over time. It is basically what they did with Benghazi, the IRS, Fast and the Furious, Hillary e-mails and other matters. While people are kneeling during NFL games, are there or have there been any protests over Christopher Stevens wrongful death, Hillary Clinton’s egregious crimes, Susan and Samantha’s unlawful unmasking, or Lois Lerner skating free? Nope! Nada! That is what we get with a apathetic public, and surely the deep state has taken advantage of that weakness of the American people! Sure lets just vent on forums like these! My point is, this latest tragedy is something that will probably end in the same dustbin of history. Time is the element in which such intense scrutiny is eroded by shifting the narrative onto a different topic altogether. Meanwhile NK is now going to be front and center soon as tensions now are ramping up once again to talk down the US dollar, while this tragedy gets buried in the editorial section of the Sunday edition. SIGH! Same! Wash Rinse and repeat!

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      • Publius2016 says:

        Sorry, but we are close…there was a Stop Trump convention at this same hotel last year…Who was there? Obama DHS appointees and Crooked Hillary supporters…Let’s go to the video! The Four Seasons being on the Top floors of Mandalay Bay is huge! who owns Four Seasons? Bill Gates is one owner…we need a good timeline and the thousands of tourists around the world have the video! The timeline is key! Keep digging.

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      • MM says:

        Depositions taken in law suites will be interesting but will we get to see them?
        Out of court settlements with gag order.

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        • MaineCoon says:

          Sealed settlements. No one in their right mind will allow and case to go to trial.

          I predict they will be underinsured. Yes, casino hotels have massive insurance, but I don’t think it will cover what’s gong to hit them. Too many deaths. Too many injured. Too many traumatized.

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    • I think it’s the fog-of-war…almost no one can keep a secret, so I’m immediately suspicious of conspiracies, outside the Mafia.

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      • TreeperInTraining says:

        The FBI has been directly involved with many terror attacks. Their director lied about not knowing the I’D of the Garland shooter even though FBI agents and informants were meeting and texting with the shooter.

        If that’s not conspiring…I don’t know what is.

        This, I suspect, is no different . They’re covering up their involvement and you’ll get the rest…served cold. Imho

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    • Ziiggii says:

      “Call the police someone is firing a gun up here. Someone is firing a rifle on the 32nd floor down the hallway.”
      “Freddy wants to know if you know a room?”
      “It’s at the end of the hallway, uh, I can’t, I can’t tell you what room. It looked like he fired down the hallway when I got close to the door.”

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      • wheatietoo says:

        “…Someone is firing a rifle…”

        How does he know it’s a rifle?

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      • stats guy says:

        I have to infer that M.Bay did Not call the police…at least after the initial shooting. If they had there would be no confusion. Everything is time stamped…certainly at the police end.

        If they had gotten a 911 call at 10:01, we would know it. They didn’t. My guess is that they started getting 911 calls from civilians outside the M.Bay. Now they have to have this prolonged effort to fit together the pieces.

        The M.Bay timestamps on their security phones should be in sync with the true time…but not necessarily if they’ve been sloppy in maintaining their time recordings.

        I think M.Day is going to bear a burden here. If you have a shooter in the hotel and don’t call 911?

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      • talkaftercarefulthought says:

        if the caller didn’t know the room #, wouldn’t the front desk know what room they were calling from? seems that getting to the caller’s room would, clarify which room the shooting was coming from just from the sound of the shooting

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    • Ziiggii says:

      I have a hard time with the “tone” with which he calls back on the radio… not normal response for someone, anyone that has not been in combat, to be so ‘calm’.

      Also, Mandalay Bay records it’s own radio traffic? Even the maintenance radio channel?

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    • wheatietoo says:

      Ziiggii, did you hear about the lawsuits against the bump stock Manufacturers?

      They mentioned it on FoxBusiness today.
      Said that some victims have already filed suits against the ‘Manufacturers of Bump Stocks’.
      I think they said “in Texas”.

      How do they know which bump stocks were on which guns?

      This will get interesting…because the bump stock Manufacturers will demand to see ‘ballistic proof’ of which guns were fired, etc.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        Yes, it would seem WAY to early to be filing any type of lawsuits. Feels like ambulance chaser type lawyering.

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        • MM says:

          Why Bump stock lawsuits and not suites filed against Mandalay Bay and event organizers?

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        • MM says:

          Did you read security firms mission statement?
          They protect Individuals and CORPORATIONS.
          Mandalay Bay needs to keep Campos from talking because his story changes, keep him from media!

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          • Ziiggii says:

            Yeah you may be reading into that language at little to much, but it makes some sense if Mandalay Bay is paying for this security detail. Campos seems to be key in this entire narrative – been saying this for days….

            Is this Campos character good for Mandalay Bay or good for the LEO narrative? Why the changing narrative for Campos? Why does Mandalay Bay make a statement last night claiming they do not agree with the latest change in the timeline to THEN setup this ‘new’ narrative via its PR firm featuring an exclusive interview with a maintenance guy we never heard about?

            So everything that LEO’s claimed Campos did is all of the sudden the work of this maintenance worker?

            Seems to me someone someone is trying to steer the narrative a different direction from the actual truth. Wynn’s comments seem to point to the possibility of him trying to take out a competitor with insider knowledge. So is the maintenance guy or Campos part of the ‘real’ story?

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            • jeans2nd says:

              Pure amateur speculation –
              Campos is illegal alien? Used by FBI, w/illegality being the hook. Campos was initially a “hero,” now Campos is being guarded and maintenance guy is the hero? FBI plan went bad.

              Aaron Rouse (FBI SAIC), a DC FBI guy experienced in counterespionage & worked w/CIA, was sent to LV and immediately setup up a child/sex slave/trafficking campaign (right about the time pizzagate was started). Yet this tragedy has nothing to do with child/sex slavery/trafficking, it is about guns? The week prior, Pelosi had been asked at Pelosi’t weekly press conf about new legislation re: silencers. Clinton’s first tweet was about silencers.

              Seems like another Fast & Furious setup gone bad which actually involved child/sex slave/trafficking with shooter & gf but used to promote gun control. LVPD is prob involved as well.
              As said previously, pure amateur speculation. And prob way off base.

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        • bflyjesusgrl says:

          Fox showed picture of a 21yr old woman in hospital bed who’s suing MB, concert promoter, venue, and bump stock manufacturer. We can see the lights and hear the sirens from here, more coming!!!

          Liked by 3 people

        • MaineCoon says:

          See my post top of next page.

          First suit filed 10/10. It’s not to early. They’ll jump in and then filed an amended Compliant, as needed. Plaintiff is CA resident (no city listed) with several TX Pro Hac Vice (pending) attorneys.

          Why does a CA resident have 3 TX attorneys – you might ask…I find that very strange.

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        • MaineCoon says:

          Yep. Just like I commented the other day. They are anticipating a class action. This will take years of litigation, legal fees will eat up lots of $$$. I am suggesting he possibility that defendant(s) could potentially be underinsured in which case you might see M.Bay go into bankruptcy.

          This will be terrible for the deceased families and survivors. Endless reliving the horror.

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          • JimmyJack says:

            I don’t see how they can survive this financially or with future marketing. Who’d want to go there besides us web sleuths?

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        • BT in SC says:

          I know why they’re being sued, I get it…

          Why isn’t someone looking to sue Paddock and all relatives, go after his assets [regardless of whether or not I believe Paddock caused such carnage]. Stop suing the manufacturer of something that although was used, had nothing to do with committing the crime! There has got to be tort reform! This litigious society we live in has just gotten out of hand!!

          Does no one get the analogy of a pencil not making a mistake on a test – the person using the pencil made a mistake… Whatever. Of course there were going to be lawsuits. And of course the plaintiffs would go after the deepest pockets.

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      • G. Combs says:

        That could get really interesting if that Bob Powell Video on on the sound of the shots and the bump firing combined with a bipod was correct. NO WONDER it got taken down so fast!!!

        The Ambulance chasing Lawyers are hoping to settle out of court for 10 to 100K and don’t want anyone to know trying to fire a bumpstock, on your belly with a bipod doesn’t work since it depends on the recoil. The bipod is there to deaden the recoil….

        It is going to be fun. Jury selection should be a real circus.

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        • yep you notice ALSO the rubber bumpers, (feet), on those bi-pods? 😉

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        • MaineCoon says:

          58 deceased. Each Estate of a deceased will get many, many millions. The crowd was young people and the injured will get $$$$ for a lifetime of health issues, can’t work, etc.. Even the traumatized willl sue and win. I would not be surprised if M.Bay is underinsured for this incident, but they will be many defendantsto share in the damages.

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        • JimmyJack says:

          This is why I haven’t understood the hullabaloo about bump stocks. I didn’t see how it would be as effective with a bipod as without.

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      • G. Combs says:

        “How do they know which bump stocks were on which guns?”

        It does not matter.
        I was talking to a small business guy who made flags. Some guy stopped to help fold a large flag. Wind caught it and the guy ended up with a broken arm so he sued… EVERY SINGLE FLAG MANUFACTURER in the USA! small business guy’s insurance settled out of court, paid up and then went after Him to repay the money!!!!

        I have another friend who is in the process of suing his insurance company for pulling the same thing with him. He has to deal with lawsuits from the ‘injured’ AND sue his insurance company. A real FlusterCuck.

        Did I mention I hate insurance companies? They probably only pull this BS on small companies that can not afford to fight back.

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        • wheatietoo says:

          Texas has some very good laws now about ‘liability lawsuits’.
          Loser Pays.

          So if a small business digs in their heels and says “Prove it!”…then the loser will have to pay for all the expenses that the small business incurred, in fighting the lawsuit.

          I think a couple of these bump stock Manufacturers are in Texas.

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  2. 4sure says:

    So, the timeline may change again. I bet it will! When you have to keep covering your lies, everything has to keep changing.

    Liked by 11 people

  3. mazziflol says:

    Stranger and stranger. Seems the casino insiders know more about what really happened. Wonder if that scares the investigators.

    Liked by 6 people

  4. Publius2016 says:

    The Sheriff is under tremendous pressure by everyone involved…based upon the changing timeline and subpar communication with the public, it is very possible that the other people involved in this terrorist attack may not be identified…However, it is without a doubt that President Trump with exact American Justice on those responsible. Based on the available evidence (however tainted) most likely Deep State or ISIS.

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  5. Skip says:

    Way off. We will never know what happened in that room.

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  6. emet says:

    And was the man shooting the rifle in the hallway id’d as Paddock? Maintenance said man with a rifle. In the hall. Not shooting thru a door

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    • covfefe999 says:

      Schuck didn’t say there was a man with a rifle “in” the hall. Here is Ziiggii’s transcript:

      “Call the police someone is firing a gun up here. Someone is firing a rifle on the 32nd floor down the hallway.”
      “Freddy wants to know if you know a room?”
      “It’s at the end of the hallway, uh, I can’t, I can’t tell you what room. It looked like he fired down the hallway when I got close to the door.”

      But you do bring up something interesting. Schuck said “he”. I suppose it’s more likely that a shooter would be a man than a woman, but is it telling that Schuck referred to the shooter as “he”?

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      • JimmyJack says:

        I think that would be instinctive both because men tend to use guns more and because the use of he has long been universal to denote a person. (not for the xe,xer, Xir crowd but for is non crazy older folks)

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  7. mariner says:

    About all I’ve concluded is that we’ve been lied to about whatever happened that night.

    There’s no way authorities were unaware of either Campos or Schuck; police who breached the suite would have met one or both of the men during the event, and even a minimally competent ordering of available facts would have included the times and basic happenings.

    I continue to follow the story because, like a train wreck, I can’t look away. Unfortunately although the picture changes with each look we don’t get any wiser or better informed for looking.

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  8. Gil says:

    What kind of security license/training does Campos have? Basic, armed etc? What does his license with the state say and when did he get it? Why is it that the security guy is hiding, but the maintenance worker is the one apparently doing the job for Campos? I still do not understand how Campos is not dead or why Schuck wasnt revealed earlier.

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    • Suncc49 says:

      Public search in NV… all armed or unarmed security must be licensed… he aint licensed according the the reddit crew

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    • JM Covfefe says:

      I’ve seen 4chan reports that people have looked for his license, and found none. FWIW.

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    • Laura says:

      Maybe Campos was tending to his wound???? Even if not fatal, he was probably losing some blood.

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      • Gil says:

        Fight or flight, which is why i ask about his training. A cop with a non fatal wound would have his gun out and fight, because he is trained and pissed. So, who is campos? And if schuck is taking the lead, why? Why isnt mb security backing up campos as part of their team?

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      • Some Old Guy says:

        Wouldn’t a security person like Campos have had a wireless communication device? If so, why didn’t he use it?

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    • HolyLoly says:

      As sundance surmised, maybe Campos is an illegal alien. They get special treatment, ya know.

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    • MaineCoon says:

      This is what I found Gil.

      Security Guard License Requirements in Nevada

      Nevada security guards are under the jurisdiction of the Nevada Private Investigator’s Licensing Board. Employees are registered and issued work cards.

      https://www.securityguard-license.org/states/nevada-security-guard.html

      The Nevada’s Private Investigator’s Licensing Board web site (linked below) has an embedded link whereby one may “Verify License”.

      https://nevadapilb.glsuite.us/

      I used the following search terms: Jesus, Jose, Campos, security, private investigator and did searches with/without the “*”.

      I don’t get any hits. Doesn’t appear to me Jesus “Jose” Campos was a licensed security guard.

      That’s interesting.

      I am confused why the site offers for a fee individual licensee verification or list of active licenses by License Type, when it offers the non-fee process also. Too tired to keep on this. Maybe others have some thoughts.

      “VERIFICATION LIST SELECTION

      From this page you may purchase an individual licensee verification or a list of active licenses by License Type. Each verification list will have a charge of $25.00; each licensee verification will have a charge of $35.00. All fees must be paid prior to downloading the list. Once payment has been made you will receive a code that will allow you to download the purchased list or verification. This code is valid for 72 hours. Please record this number. You will need it to resume the download if it fails for any reason. You may select as many lists as you wish; you will be charged $25.00 for each list. Once a list has been downloaded to your machine you must save the list to your machine if you want to access this list in the future. The list will be current as of the previous business day. “

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      • MM says:

        Optics, made it look as if Mandalay Bay had a lot of security guards when in reality they didn’t.

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      • bflyjesusgrl says:

        My ex husband was a security guard for a hotel many moons ago. Ex marine, $8.00/hr, official uniform. No license Required. Sat at a desk and filled out reports, or made hourly rounds, checked doors, walked grounds, talked to other employees. Maybe Campos was this kind of security guard.

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      • Gil says:

        Could be a simple fee for the effort of letterhead as documentation vs quick verification. No license, either this isnt his legal name as we have been given, or he has a fake id, or he isnt security guard or all of it.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      Maybe hotel “security” staff aren’t necessarily “security guards”. Reports did say that Campos was unarmed.

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      • MM says:

        There you go he was staff not security guard as he is implied to be.

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      • jogreggre says:

        He could simply be a staff member who does things like check when an open door alarm is triggered. I’ve met those people (when we left our door ajar for two minutes), they look more like maintenance men, not security guards, although come to think of it, I think they identified themselves as hotel security.

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    • And was he an employee of the hotel or of a private security firm, like that Orlando shooter?

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    • Lindy says:

      I think I read in an early report, that Campos, even though injured, helped evacuate other rooms on the floor. He could have easily gotten separated from the Maintenance guy, they might not have even known each other.

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  9. emet says:

    Need to see Special Agent Paddock’s Official Personnel File. I’ll buy a copy next time I’m in Beijing

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    • G. Combs says:

      RUSSIA… or ask Julian Assange.

      Now that would be funny as heck if Julian lets the FBI walk all the way out on a long limb, and just when they are about to shut the case, does a massive data dump, sawing off their fake limb.

      OH, PLEASE make it happen!

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  10. auscitizenmom says:

    I am open to conspiracy stories myself. I believe Paddock’s house was broken into and that makes me very suspicious. There was another high profile shooting whose apartment was entered when it should have been sealed off by the FBI (?). There were weird things about that shooting, too. And, Campos being guarded by a security firm?

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    • Ziiggii says:

      San Bern???

      Oh yeah GoPro goes missing there too! 🤔

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      • mariner says:

        Yes and the lady survivor who described the shooters as three men taller than average and physically fit, wearing all-black clothing and pullover masks.

        I saw that interview once or twice and then it disappeared from view.

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      • TrueNorthSeeker says:

        Remember the FBI taking several days to secure and search the Benghazi compound….after numerous locals and the media had tromped through the place contaminating the scene and removing possible evidence? This seems to he an MO of theirs when they don’t want evidence to be found.

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  11. booger71 says:

    Why is Campos under security surveillance, but the maintenance guy is giving interviews.I wonder if Campos told the LEO’s about the maintenance guy originally.

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  12. Bob Thoms says:

    Campos is under protective custody of a private security firm?

    This best stranger and stranger.

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  13. Comrade Mope says:

    The problem I am having is not so much the changing story. It’s that Lombardo is even the face of this investigation. It reminds me of the Biker shooting in Waco when the police told known whoppers for the cameras. In both cases the Feds had the lead roles.
    So was the door stuck open or stuck shut? That’s pretty important. Stuck open could mean that was the escape route, stuck shut could be to prevent SWAT from entering from there.
    I suspect it was propped open as a shut fire escape door would not be readily noticed.

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    • keeler says:

      One of the stairway doors (there are two between the stairway and the hallway with a small space between them) was screwed shut.

      Shut. Closed. Sealed. Not able to be opened. SWAT needed to open it with a crowbar.

      The only evidence offered that the shooter planned to escape was an official (Lombardo?) saying so at one of the first press conferences. The subject has not been brought since and no evidence has surfaced since that the shooter planned to escape.

      Confusion is over the alarm. The alarm triggered when the shooter opened one of the doors in order to disable the other. It did not stay open and the alarm did not sound because the door was “stuck open” or “stuck shut.” It went off because the door opened momentarily as the shooter moved through it.

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    • H.R. says:

      Comrade Mope: “I suspect it was propped open as a shut fire escape door would not be readily noticed.”

      All one needs to do is put a bit of something like an eraser in the latch hole and the door can be shut, but easily opened when needed. If the latch was tied to a proximity sensor to indicate open/shut status, then a slug of metal could be used to keep the latch out of the latch hole.

      There was no need for our brilliant, meticulous lone wolf to prop the door open… or else it was a screw-up and our lone wolf was a bit less than brilliant and meticulous.

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    • G. Combs says:

      Propped open makes the most sense. However that leads back to discussion of the Four Seasons Hotel three flights up, Bill Gates and the Saudi Royals and you can not have that -No,No, can’t disturb the Elite.

      Also Wolfmoon’s words bare repeating at this time, now that the Maintenance Man has ENTERED STAGE LEFT. 🕬

      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Why would I argue for the entire scenario that the police describe?
      Why would I argue that the evidence they have given us is real?
      Why would I argue FOR the sound of bump-fire,
      FOR a single shooter,
      FOR shots only coming from the 32nd floor,
      FOR almost everything that has been presented in evidence

      – and yet I am extremely doubtful that this was what most of us think it is?

      People need to ask the RIGHT questions. ALL of the disinformation was designed to make us ask the WRONG questions. They are INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING our questioning.

      I know I’m making certain people very nervous now. They know that I know what is happening. SCIENCE will bring this down. SCIENCE in the hands of the people. SCIENCE which is available to everybody as COMMON SENSE.

      Don’t question it openly. Keep it to yourself. They are using some of the most advanced psychology and disinformation that has ever been used on the planet. Question until you know that there are MANY things wrong with the story. Don’t start questioning from THEIR starting points. Find your own. Ask WHY? and WHY NOT? But don’t ask openly. They are using POLYMORPHIC DISINFORMATION that reacts to our questioning in different ways to keep the right questions suppressed.

      They committed fundamental mistakes, and we HAVE THEM if we just don’t tip them to what those questions are. We need to gain a critical mass of people who realize what is going on, and see through what they are doing.
      DO NOT ACCEPT THE NARRATIVE. WE WILL MAKE NO CHANGES TO LAW – WE WILL ACCEPT NOTHING THEY DEMAND – BASED ON FALSE PREMISES.

      The next step in counterattacking them comes soon.
      Until then, don’t believe any of this. ASK QUESTIONS QUIETLY. The answers will stun you. Use your common sense and BELIEVE IT.

      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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      • mariner says:

        Science will not help us here, because someone has taken control of the investigation with the intent of keeping us in the dark. Certain evidence will be manufactured; certain evidence will be destroyed and we won’t be able to examine any of it.

        Face it: the incident is being covered. With a pillow, until it stops moving.

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        • Jim in TN says:

          If I were running an agency attempt to misinform and keep people in dark, I would include manufacture of phony conspiracies. Conspiracies do more to obscure truth than anything said by agency. Agency can’t afford to be caught doing so, but agency has that skill/experience.

          Keep the truth on the fringe. Just one of many delusions believed only by crackpots. Break the truth up into parts of conflicting conspiracies. And muddy up each piece of truth by mixing each piece of truth with outrageous false allegations.

          Crackpots, disproved falsehoods, sweep truth under rug because nobody else will ever believe it. Even the crackpots will be fighting each other’s conspiracies.

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    • MVW says:

      Open or shut? An open door alarm for a door that won’t open is contradictory. I stumbled over that too.

      Originally I had interpreted the open and closed door story to mean two different doors, one an open suite door, the closed was the report that the fire door would not open.

      I had guessed, which based on the confusing narratives from reporters that are inept, I had guessed that some other suite door was ajar, somehow, and the guard encountered the inoperative fire door and requested maintenance.

      Then the guard got shot, and did not call that in, just the inoperative fire door. Hard to believe… then the maintenance worker spent xxx time getting there just in time for the second volley of machine gun fire.

      So, I think my understanding is faulty, but so far there is not a good official one to replace it.

      Maybe someone will tell the police what a good story line is so that they can give us a believable one that won’t change again.

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    • escape by “base Jumping” out the second (adjoining) room window..
      here is a SUCCESSFUL Jump from 35 Stories. (Escape Plan)..

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  14. JM Covfefe says:

    Discrepancies: note building has three halls radiating from central elevator, fire stairs are at end, to left of entrance of endcap suite.
    1. If Jose checked door from inside (was still on floor) why didn’t he notice the door pinning plate bolted to the door? Shmuck checked from stair side, and had to go back to central elevator.
    2. Schmuck said “As zoo as I started to go to a door to my left…” Why was he going to a door other than the fire door? If it was the “stuck” fire door, he was standing right in front of BOTH doors to the suite, and Jose would be closer to the elevator.

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    • sundance says:

      Jose Campos never actually got to the point where he was focused on the emergency exit door he was dispatched to check out.

      According to the prior reports from officials Campos was en route to the emergency exit door when he heard drilling and noted the suite door slightly ajar.

      According to Stephen Schuck he couldn’t open the emergency door from the stairwell, and walked around to see what the issue was. He too never got to focus attention on the stairwell door because of the shooting.

      According to the SWAT interview (CBS) they used a pry bar to open the door from the stairwell.

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      • JM Covfefe says:

        OK, then who reported the stuck door Schmuck was going to check out?
        Maybe the stuck door was not the fire door?

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        • sundance says:

          No idea who reported it. (Perhaps another person who was dispatched to check out the alarm but was inside the stairwell – long walk to the other side).

          However, Shuck himself said in the interview above it was THAT stairwell emergency exit door. [And yes, it took Shuck a long time to walk all the way to the other side of the door because he had to backtrack to the center of the three wings and then come to the door from the guest side.]

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          • keeler says:

            Based on what I hear Schuck say in the interview, I’ve interpreted things a bit differently.

            In the interview Schuck says, “My side, my story. I was on a higher floor when I was called to check out a fire exit door that would not open. Um, so I came down the 32nd floor *from a different wing*

            This leads me to believe Schuck went directly from the “high floor” to the 32nd, but his path of travel started in a different wing and thus took him to a different wing of the 32nd. I don’t get the sense he ever checked the door, from either side. Am I missing some other report, or misinterpreting his words? I’ve been trying to understand how you reached your conclusion but just can’t based on what I hear and what I have read.

            Is it possible Campos did reach and check out the stairwell door, discovered it was disabled from opening, made a maintenance call, and -as he was waiting for Schuck to arrive- noticed the suite door was ajar and/or heard the drilling? As with earlier discussions, a lot of this interpretation depends on how “ajar” the suite door(s) were: the more ajar, the less plausible.

            I know what the press conference reports are, but I am wondering if perhaps some the details got simplified, confused, or lost as they passed from Campos to officials and then from the officials into “press conference” form. I recall the press conference never mentioned Shuck’s presence to begin with. If officials failed to mention that, it is possible they left out smaller details as well, such as Campos reaching the disabled door.

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            • jakeandcrew says:

              This is what I was envisioning, as well. Schuck was on a different wing of an upper level floor, so he walked to the center of the floor to take the elevator down to the 32nd, then move to the wing he needed to walk down, towards the stuck door at the end of that wing, and right next to Paddock’s suite.

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          • anthohmy says:

            Is it possible for an outsider to cut into the LVMPD dispatch feed?

            And/or wasn’t there a report about somebody pinching a cruiser? Were they talkative?

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    • keeler says:

      1) That’s a good question. If I was still working unarmed security and saw evidence of deliberate tampering on a door, I wouldn’t be calling maintenance. I’d be calling for backup. This leads me to believe he didn’t notice the deliberate tampering- either he was on the wrong side, or wasn’t looking closely enough

      However, I’m not sure where sundance got the information that Schuck checked the door from the stairway. I listened to the interview multiple times and my impression was Schuck went directly from where he received the call (above the 32nd), down to another wing on the 32nd, through the central court, and then into the 100 wing. To me, this would make sense to do this because he’d want to talk with Campos about the door and it would be easier to talk face to face rather than over the radio or through a disabled door (which are solid and provide no line of sight). I also have a feeling that if Schuck had reached the disabled door from the stairway- whether he found Campos on the other side (as expected and likely talking briefly about the door) or missing (which would be unexpected and noteworthy)- he would have mentioned this. Perhaps I missed something or this is information is an article I’ve somehow not come across. But common sense and experience is telling me Schuck did not enter that stairwell. He would want to meet up with Campos first.

      2) Schuck says he was about 1/3 of the way down the hallway when he heard shots and he was not with Campos when he attempted to find cover. Therefore, it would appear he was not near the stairway doors when he took cover, since these doors were within feet of the suite doors. Perhaps he took cover in one of those small side areas where vending and ice machines are kept, or he took cover (as Campos had) in a recessed doorway.

      Campos had to be closer to the suite, and Schuck had to be closer to the elevators, based on their reported movements and actions.

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    • mimi says:

      I keep coming back to his reasoning to take the trouble to spend the effort and risk of adding the alarmed stair door bolting, screwing whatever. Needed to have plates or whatever in his list of supplies. In order to delay a swat team by what? 10 minutes? What could that 10 extra minutes buy him? Time to set off the fuel tanks that did not have the explosives in place as planned?

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  15. MaineCoon says:

    Anyone know why Lomardo is not in uniform? This is the 2nd interview I’ve seen where he is no longer in his uniform. Why were that be? Seems odd to me. He’s working.

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  16. True Colors says:

    FIRST VERSION OF EVENTS THAT WE WERE TOLD:

    Shooter opens fire on the crowd below, then hotel employee Jesus “Jose” Campos arrives on the scene, he disrupts the shooter, and thereby saves the day. What a hero!

    THEN WE WERE TOLD:

    Hotel employee Campos arrived on the scene, the shooter clips him in the leg(but for some mysterious reason, does not follow through with actually killing him), and then 6 minutes later, the shooter proceeds to rain down mass bullets on crowd below for a duration of 10 minutes, and THEN — approximately an hour after that — the cops show up

    (Okay, so the 5 billion pound elephant in the room — WHAT IN HEAVEN’S NAME COULD CAMPOS POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT WHOLE TIME RIGHT AFTER HE GOT SHOT IN THE LEG? Why would he not call this emergency in IMMEDIATELY and get the cops on the way. How can this gap time be explained???!??!!)

    The explanation that would make the most sense here is that Campos was actually a participant in the shooting massacre. As part of the hotel security team, he could have been informed the shooter of potential cracks in hotel security. Campos could have also taken steps to delay the authorities from arriving in order to buy extra time for the shooter to carry out his deed.

    I really do not care to go any further than this. The conflicting information is becoming a blur and hard to keep up with.

    I have no idea what the real truth is. But we are being lied to.

    TC

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    • covfefe999 says:

      >> the shooter clips him in the leg(but for some mysterious reason, does not follow through with actually killing him),

      Have you seen the hallway pictures? There are significant alcoves where the hotel room doors are positioned, certainly enough space for a person to comfortably hide. It’s not like Campos was out in the open in the hallway. And Paddock was firing through a closed hotel room door, right? I see Sundance wrote that the door was partially open, but Paddock was still firing through the door right?

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  17. Jim Rogers says:

    It’s ten-days since the massacre and we now know less than we did then!!! Think of how much we won’t know by the end of the month!!! We’re being gamed, folks, by our own FBI!!!

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  18. Yankee Lawyer says:

    Was anyone else staying on the 32d floor? That diagram is not the whole floor.

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  19. Bob McDoulett says:

    Who is in charge of this “investigation” the FBI or Las Vegas police? How is contradictory evidence being revealed daily? How are multiple shooter reports, from security and police, not being questioned? It almost seems the deep state is in charge, ask Mueller or the Clintons or even Pelosi under oath, what was just ordered to be done? Was this massacre ordered as an attempt to free Harvey Weinstein from federal charges? This massacre either was ISIS or domestic terror. This investigation is just a combination of keystone cops and traitors.

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    • sudsy49 says:

      Here’s what Lombardo said today in an interview to the local paper: “As the investigation continues, the sheriff thanked the FBI for helping relieve local law enforcement resources, allowing them to focus on other crimes.”https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/sheriff-shares-new-details-about-las-vegas-shooting-investigation/
      It sure sounds like he’s saying the FBI is running the show.

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    • FofBW says:

      Didn’t PT just give $1M to the LVP to pay for their OT, etc during THEIR investigation?

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  20. JM Covfefe says:

    I suspect that part of Schmuck’s job was to shut down the elevators as soon as whoever was shooting was detected.
    Also having a real hard time believing Jose got shot with anything larger than a .22LR pistol cartridge at that range, and it did not go through the bone. Next size bullet/cartridge is a 380ACP, and I am pretty sure that would. Certainly, a 380 would at least cause enough damage to require immediate surgery.
    A 5.56 or 7.68 rifle cartridge should pass completely through any bone, let alone both sides of a skull at that range. I know for certain that a subsonic (1000fps) .22 will not go through a raccoon skull…

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    • covfefe999 says:

      But it was reported that 200+ bullets were fired, I guess in two different sessions (the first when Campos was there alone and he was shot, the second when Schuck was present). Would that be possible with a semi-automatic handgun?

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      • mariner says:

        That was last week. This is a new week and now we have a different story to parse.

        I’ve seen pictures of two doors: the door breached by SWAT, and the door with the room service cart in front of it, the door to the adjoining suite.

        Neither of those doors appears to have ~200 holes in it.

        Does anyone else see something differently?

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        • covfefe999 says:

          “That was last week”. You made me laugh with that because as I look through news reports I find myself tossing anything more than 24 hours old at this point. The actual facts don’t change but what’s being reported does. I complained in another thread about a report speculating that Schuck used a hotel phone. Why not ask him? Am I weird to think that asking him might be a good idea?

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        • G. Combs says:

          “… the door breached by SWAT….” How do we know those ‘200’ holes were not put in the door by some trigger happy Swat member?

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          • mariner says:

            I don’t see 200 holes at all, and that’s the point.

            We’ve been told that Paddock shot the security guy through the door, and ~200 rounds were fired.

            That would shred a door pretty well, and I don’t see any evidence that it even happened.

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    • JM Covfefe says:

      Playing with theories, and little first hand knowledge: I would guess that a sabboted hollow point .223 would expand hitting a solid core wooden door, and after passing through would be the size of a vicious sedated dime. That would cause some serious damage to the thigh. OTOH, a bull nose or pointed .223 slug would likely retain its shape and a lot of velocity after the door, and the thigh bone wouldn’t stop it either.
      7.62×54 / .308, door may not even slow down or expand much. And if it was a hollow core door or sheetrock, it might as well have not been there.

      From available info, I believe Jose shot himself with a .22LR pistol to “Make it look good.”

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      • JM Covfefe says:

        Or, it was Professor Plum with the Lead Pipe in the Conservatory.

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        • mariner says:

          I’ve never seen a saboted .223 bullet. Maybe it was the lead pipe after all.

          Or maybe he used a vicious sedated dime? Would the sedative make it hurt less?

          😉

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          • JM Covfefe says:

            Serated. (Tnx WP) But, not only can you get .223 in sabboted hollow point, but I always use sabboted hollow point .22 slugs in my 1100fps air gun, to keep down the critters that eat my peaches, pears and nectarines. They go through a squirrel at 50yd (with a messy exit), make a mouse explode, but a raccoon’s skull is so thick, you have to shoot them through the nose at just the right angle. (Suburban farmer life experience.)

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    • Fake Nametag says:

      Don’t forget the round may have gone through the suite door before hitting Campos, so it may have lost velocity before hitting him. Beyond that I don’t know enough about properties of bullets to add to my comment.

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  21. jmclever says:

    Enter another player into the subterfuge. FBI wants their version of the story. Hotel wants theirs to come out on top.

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  22. justme928 says:

    So if Campos isn’t giving interviews and has security guards protecting him, is it possible he saw someone else who left the area, dare I say Paddock’s accomplice, that didn’t do any of the shooting at the concert goers? Perhaps another employee who Campos recognized?

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      A local guy, a veteran who happened to be there at the concert, claims that for the first 4 or 5 minutes he heard two weapons going off simultaneously. Still no word from “shuck & jive” eyewitnesses on the 32nd Floor regarding people getting the heck out of their rooms because loud machine gun fire was going on . . .

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      • mariner says:

        I remember that.

        At the concert there were several off-duty police officers and military veterans, and some of them reported not only more than one firearm but more than one caliber.

        But we’ve been assured that there was only one shooter and it was Lee Harvey Oswald.

        Oh, wait.

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    • trialbytruth says:

      perhaps the proof of life picture is photoshoped and mr Campos is no longer with us an photoshop experts?

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  23. covfefe999 says:

    There must have been a significant amount of time between Campos being shot and injured and the shots that Schuck encountered. I thought it was interesting that Schuck said he had come down to the 32nd floor in another wing (i.e., not Paddock’s hallway), walked to the center, then walked about 1/3 of the way down Paddock’s hall and heard shots but they weren’t coming down the hallway, then Campos told him to take cover, and then shots came down the hallway.

    What were the shots that Schuck heard that were not coming down the hallway? Was it after 10:05 already and Paddock was already shooting out the window at the concert crowd? I need to review the concert videos to see how much time there was between the first round fired into the crowd and the second. Actually, if you have seen the videos you know that Paddock fired some individual shots first (which apparently struck some concertgoers), then there was a gap, and then he totally opened up on the crowd. Was it during that gap when Paddock fired down the hallway at Schuck?.

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  24. Grandma Covfefe says:

    —–Twilight Zone—–

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  25. avogadra says:

    Sundance, where did you learn that the door to 32135 was open, and that Campos actually saw Paddock? Everything I have seen and read indicates that the door to the suite remained closed until it was breached with explosives by law enforcement. Paddock had to shoot the 200 rounds though a closed door, which is why Campos only sustained one wound in his leg.

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    • sundance says:

      It’s in the press conferences (last three). Lombardo said the door was ajar. Lombardo said Campos didn’t knock. Lombardo said Campos heard drilling. Lombardo said Campos entered room. Lombardo said Campos came under fire.

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      • MIkey says:

        why is the door off the hinges and laying on its side if it was open for law enforcement to readily enter? Did Paddock close it before shooting holes through it?

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      • Eric C. says:

        I worked in an area for 20 years with 2 local and then 3 local news channels serving a few hundred thousand people. I’ve been on many significant “events” both police and fire related where I saw first hand what happened or talked with the first arriving officers later about what they came up with as far as what happened.

        Do you know how many news reports were accurate over 20 years? ………….ZERO

        How many people interviewed accurately described what happened? Very few

        The reporters have no clue and are just trying to make a “story”, compound that out to a major national incident. I’d prefer if we learned nothing for a few days and just got fed factual information. Also, the guy doing the press conference is very far removed to those conducting the investigation. They develop one set of “facts” known at the time and go with it for a press conference, mean while the investigation is snowballing and changing course but it’s a lot like turning a barge around going full steam ahead. Information must work it’s way up.

        I’ll take Sundance’s analysis of facts, not speculation of internet stories.

        I’ve heard a lot about how there is only poor cell phone video and how can that be in this day, well, have you been to a concert lately? They use smoke so us common folk can’t take high quality pictures. It requires a special filter to get a sharp image.

        Let’s trust our President and let’s trust Sundance to provide quality analysis.

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        • mariner says:

          I trust our President and I’ve been in awe of Sundance since I got here (about four years ago).

          I trust both of them, but “GIGO” (garbage in, garbage out) applies here.

          At this point we’ve been told so many different things from those we’re expected to trust, that it seems obvious we’ll never get the truth out of this lot.

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      • Fake Nametag says:

        Maybe Campos closed the door behind him as he was running away. I know I would. It doesn’t give you much cover but it gives you concealment and would have bought him a little time to get away.

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        • Alligator Gar says:

          Here’s another question–if he entered the room b/c of hearing drilling, why did he hang around for Paddock to pick up a rifle and start shooting at him? The second the lunatic put the drill down and reached for a firearm, I’d be outta there. Everyone would.

          And, if, as the sheriff suggests, Mr. Campos was shot in the leg by a rifle of unknown caliber while IN the room, how the *bleep* did he run to get away? Wouldn’t the wound have at best had him limping and dragging his injured leg? Adrenaline or not, it seems that the physical destruction of a limb would slow the victim significantly.

          Any physicians, medics, nurses want to chime in here? It’s another piece of the puzzle that doesn’t fit the narrative.

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          • Fake Nametag says:

            Assuming Campos was unarmed, I’m thinking when Paddock put down the drill and reached for a rifle Campos started fleeing the room. He got out the door and closed it behind him about the time Paddock charged the rifle and shot a magazine through the door, hitting Campos in the leg. He limped partway down the hall and took cover inside an alcove while Paddock reloaded and prepared to fire more rounds through the door. The maintenance guy showed up, was warned by Campos, and stepped into cover just as Paddock was firing through the door again. That’s the narrative that makes sense if everything that has been reported were true.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      I see conflicting reports, some say another door was ajar, some say Paddock’s door was ajar.

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  26. Honest Abbey says:

    The only reasonable explanation for Campos to be under protection is that he must have witnessed someone fleeing the scene.

    What else (who else) would pose any threat to him?

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    • Michelle says:

      Maybe they don’t want him to talk in public.

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      • Honest Abbey says:

        Hi Michelle, If that’s the case, then he’s under restraint, not under protection.

        Either way, this is some shady stuff going on.

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    • jahealy says:

      Media might make him an offer he couldn’t refuse?

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    • bofh says:

      If Campos is a witness to something as big as someone fleeing the scene, it’s up to LE to protect him, not a private security company.

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      • Honest Abbey says:

        Hi Bofh, That wouldn’t fit their narrative. Remember, they are trying to sell us a bogus story.

        Having the lone witness under police protection would raise suspicion, and lots of questions, too. They want to avert this at all costs.

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    • wheatietoo says:

      Who would be a ‘threat’ to Campos?

      Possibles:
      — The SEIU perhaps, since there is a history of friction between the guard union, SPFPA and the SEIU.
      — MGM/Mandalay wanting to make sure Campos stays ‘on script’.
      — Victims or family members of victims, who want to know what happened.

      Whomever is ‘guarding’ Campos may be more like handlers than someone there to actually protect him.

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      • MM says:

        Private security indicates it would not be feds protecting him (per conversation with Oldiadguy.) Mandalay Bay has the most to lose by him talking due to lawsuits. They want to keep him away from media, his story is evolving and fluid. When we see him on Hannity it will be a waste of time he will be on script. The script will be written by Lawyers for Mandalay Bay. As always it’s all about the money.

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        • Alligator Gar says:

          Why do we believe he’s under private security? They lie. My take is that he’s really under fed security–if he’s not dead (like the witness who inexplicably murdered his family and killed himself days after the concert.)

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  27. annieoakley says:

    I don’t believe any thing these people say. Every part of this story has changed so many times I don’t believe any part.

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    • Grandma Covfefe says:

      Ditto.

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        • MustangBlues says:

          What??!! Who counted the 200 rounds through the door way or down the hall??

          Was it from a rifle (AR-15) or pistol (Glock 21etc), semi autos have to have magazines changed, so is this a real story or made up on the fly, by threatened people hoping to escape this mess?

          And no CCTV footage in a hotel gambling casino???? Not released????

          Something and some big wig is involved in a cookie jar mess and the feds are covering butts!! and local LE is swimming in deep water.

          Expect Arkanside and ChiCongo politics to prevail for a while.

          Check who is thrown under the bus for clues for who is whom in the kubuki clusterFk..

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          • Alligator Gar says:

            Maybe the Marxist/Maoists of Antifa and the Communists of the Left don’t want their involvement telegraphed, so they are using the typical Democrat m.o. to cover?

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  28. Paco Loco says:

    They now have Campos under wraps and he’s clamed up. His story must be told in detail and the approximate time of Paddoks death determined and if it was or wasn’t a self inflicted gun shot. Imagine if Paddocks time of death is earlier than 10 pm. Then he wasn’t the shooter.

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    • crazypeoplemusic says:

      when you hear about people on the ground initially (first 4-5 minutes) hearing 2 shooters…maybe that’s when the one guy kills Paddock, shoots for 5 more minutes, then leaves. perhaps shooting at the 2 workers to keep them confused. I still wonder why 2 windows were broken- since they are supposedly very difficult to break?

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  29. woohoowee says:

    Still clear as mud. Professor Plum or Mr. Green or Scarlett did it, with a revolver or a rope or candlestick, in the conservatory or the library or the hall.

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  30. sudsy49 says:

    This could be nothing, or it could be meaningful. The union that Campos belongs to is the SPFPA. Here’s what the group says about itself on their website: “The SPFPA (International Union, Security, Police and Fire Professionals of America) is the oldest, largest and fastest growing Security, Police union in the United States Today. The SPFPA represents over 27,000 security police professionals across the U.S. and Canada. SPFPA members provide security services for the Department of Defense/NASA, Aerospace, U.S. Department of Energy, U.S. Federal Courts, Nuclear Facilities, Prisons, Detention Centers, Correctional Facilities, Armored Car, Casinos. Arts and entertainment, Federal, State and County Buildings, Military Instillations, Universities, Hospitals, Public Utilities, Automotive, Airports, Seaports, Homeland Security Facilities and Industry.” http://www.spfpa.org/about-spfpa.html That list gives me a knot in my stomach in light of the Vegas tragedy.

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  31. Howie says:

    The FBLie is simply lying. What a bunch of Globaloney. They will never get away with it.

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  32. Publius2016 says:

    Okay…watched interview of “engineer” and can say that his story is not believable…he said something that was very off…”unusual yet it was silent at this time…” These are not the words of someone involved in a shooting and terrorist massacre. In addition, he continues using the word, Jesus…like he really wants to associate Jesus with this the security guard, Jose. The idea that he knew “Jesus” was shot in the leg by seeing only his head pop out doesn’t make sense…Really, the video needs to be released ASAP as this story does not hold water…Lastly, he says he is coming from a higher floor but doesn’t say he’s coming from the Four Seasons! Again Mandalay Bay has a Four Seasons on the upper floors that is apparently connected through stairways and passages.

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    • Paco Loco says:

      This evidentiary mess was created so that the FBI could keep the lone gunman theory prominent in their meme. Keep it simple stupid. Case closed.

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      • Publius2016 says:

        The line is in a book called “Song of the Silent Snow”…with the windows being blown out and the “FIRE DOOR” being blocked or locked, it like everything is pointing down but maybe we need to look up; Remember the Four Seasons Hotel is on the top floors of the Mandalay Bay…same stairwells/access/elevators.

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  33. Martin says:

    A prime example of how all this is fert derp as a football bat is those photos. They know they’re out there, and yet, they insist that 200 rounds were fired through them. I’m no expert, and half of one of them is obscured, but there’s no way.

    Also, if now both Campos and the maintenance guy were fleeing “a hail of bullets,” just how far did those alleged 200 rounds travel?

    The left’s fingerprints are all over this, not just from their violent tendency and utter desperation, but also from the complete world of explanation they’ve constructed that doesn’t comport with reality. It’s as if they’ve had a brainstorming session, and set plausibility aside.

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    • jahealy says:

      The left having a brainstorming session seems to be an oxymoron.

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    • woohoowee says:

      Here’s what Las Vegas Review Journal has re: shots fired inside the hotel (bold mine):

      -snip-

      The guard was shot in the thigh, and though Paddock fired more than 200 rounds down the hall and into nearby rooms, no one else in the hotel was injured.

      https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/sheriff-shares-new-details-about-las-vegas-shooting-investigation/

      This is *not* in quotes in the article, so don’t know veracity, but it’s the only thing I’ve seen that says anything other than the rounds went down the hall.

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    • Lindy says:

      Replying to Martin…Perhaps shooter was shooting through open doorway, didn’t have to worry about return fire from unarmed security and Maintenance guy who joined him, then he shut the suite door and came up with Plan B in a hurry. From the floor plan, it appears he selected a suite at end of hall, fastened the stairwell door shut to funnel oncoming police down narrow hallway, and he had the camera placed to watch their approach. It’s still not clear to me if he had the cameras recording or transmitting at this point.

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  34. leve says:

    I know the released photos are horrible quality, but does any else see a possible blood stain on the chair? It’s not a reflection on the gold area but on the brown fabric.

    (I don’t know how to post the picture, it’s the one with the two rounded chairs pushed together in front of the couch)

    Also what is the blue electrical tube? Just wondering.

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  35. John Doe says:

    This is a local interview from this morning in Vegas…different interview, because Sheriff Lombardo is wearing his uniform.

    http://www.lasvegasnow.com/morning-cup-of-joe/sheriff-lombardo-speaks-live-about-the-tragedy-on-the-strip/832719304

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  36. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    Chasing ghosts.
    At the risk of appearing simplistically cynical… a False Flag has dozens of loose ends, especially one poorly planned and/or poorly executed. History is chock full of them.

    Bottom line in 2017: Gun confiscation – no matter the collateral damage. 😦

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  37. kinthenorthwest says:

    Thank You Sundance — I am truly wondering if Americans will ever really know the true Vegas Shooting story.

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  38. Again, it just get stranger & Stranger!

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  39. TrueNorthSeeker says:

    Jesus Campos to give interview on Hannity tomorrow at 9:00 PM. Just announced.

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  40. MVW says:

    Unless the confusion is purposeful with the intent to catch associates of Paddock or the shooters, then Trump must be completely displeased. On the other hand, the casino and hotel owners security forces will have distilled by now what the scoop is and Trump has personal contact with them. Business is business.

    However, Kelly is COS so the FBI really is reporting to him. Kelly won’t stand for the Keystone cops routine. And Wray, Wray needs to fix the broken FBI.

    I have no doubt this dog’s dinner will end with a cleaned out FBI.

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    • F.D.R. in Hell says:

      I want each of you on this Web site to -pray- for everyone who knows the truth and for those who learn the truth.

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    • WE ARE ALL FORGETTING A CRITICAL POINT OF KNOWN KNOWLEDGE…
      Remember President Trump has OWNED, (or still does) Casinos!
      HE KNOWS there is VIDEO..
      HE KNOWS Security, etc…
      DO NOT forget..
      I’m betting He has seen the Tapes & knows the Down-Low..

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      • F.D.R. in Hell says:

        I’m hoping President Trump only knows what he -needs- to know.

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        • He needs to know ALL of it..
          FDR, no disrespect.. Could you waterboard S.P. for us? 😉 Send the results to Us Topside?
          Oh wait, is water in short Supply in your Local ? We CAN send a few snowflakes to ya…
          J/K.. 😉

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          • F.D.R. in Hell says:

            I don’t want to hijack this thread, but ask yourself, “Why does the President need to know all the details behind this tragedy? All the lies.” His mind should be filled only with his plans to Make America Great Again and his strategies for accomplishing that goal.

            Plus, there are quite a few Washington, DC folks down here who “knew too much.”
            Isn’t that right Vince?

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        • Dixie says:

          If you are scared, I am petrified.

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  41. jahealy says:

    Apologies if this has already been linked:

    Las Vegas gunman had a NORMAL brain, per autopsy results
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4969140/Las-Vegas-gunman-no-abnormalites-brain.html

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  42. scottmc37 says:

    What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas….

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  43. covfefe999 says:

    I was looking for info about the Campos appearance on Hannity and came across this old ABC-sourced news from Oct 5 which is completely stale of course but I thought it was interesting because in the video the reporter says, at 1:04, “Campos immediately radioed in to police that he found the location. They were there within seconds. Officials say without the help from Campos they may not have found Paddock as quickly as they did”. http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/mandalay-bay-security-guard-says-he-was-just-doing-his-job Did Campos tell ABC that he used his radio to contact the police?

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  44. ChestnutTreeCafe says:

    Neither story by Schuck or Campos is credible.
    Hugely dependent on coincidences and luck and they are the only witnesses as dead men tell no tales so who knows what exactly happened up there. One glaring error stood out when Schuck said that down the hall Campos was in an alcove and stuck his head out, his head. Yet Schuck said he could clearly see from down the hall that Campos had been shot in the leg. How was that possible?
    Also, the bullets whizzing by in two separate groups and yet no evidence of bullet holes are anywhere visible and the door from which they supposedly can from instead shows what looks like entrance holes not exit holes. Schuck and Campos are highly likely guilty parties and are two of the multiple shooters involved.

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  45. Howie says:

    The Hogwash is overwhelming. I do not believe a word they say.

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  46. G. Combs says:

    I think we all agree that the FBI is in charge.
    We also know the FBI LIES to further the goals of the Elite and not the good of the country.

    Wolfman, as I quoted above, gave us what seems to be a key.

    Can we treat the FBI like a magician. The magician’s trick is to make you look in one direction while his slight of hand is carried out in the other direction.

    Can we see WHERE the FBI is trying to make us look so we know where we are NOT supposed to look?

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  47. wantsomebacon says:

    I know you all are very brilliant but I came across a few things and wondered what you all thought.

    1. http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1383-george-soros-investment-fund-bought-puts-on-1-35-million-mgm-stocks-60-days-before-attack-at-mgm-mandalay-bay-in-las-vegas

    2. I read but can’t seem to find it now that the owner sold 80% of their shares before the shooting.

    Not sure if I’m being fooled or misunderstanding just thought I would put it out there would there.

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  48. WE ARE ALL FORGETTING A CRITICAL POINT OF KNOWN KNOWLEDGE…
    Remember President Trump has OWNED, (or still does) Casinos!
    HE KNOWS there is VIDEO..
    HE KNOWS Security, etc…
    DO NOT forget..
    I’m betting He has seen the Tapes & knows the Down-Low..
    As said above, Business is Business..
    Trump KNOWS whats up…
    BET-CHA 😉

    Liked by 6 people

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