Updates on Mandalay Bay Massacre – Interview With Maintenance Worker Provides More Confusion…

As best can be determined the current narrative (subject to change) is that a security guard, Jesus “Jose” Campos, was dispatched to the 32nd floor due to an alarm from an emergency stairwell door being opened.  [Jose Campos is currently being guarded by a security firm and not available for media interviews].

Sometime after (or during) Campos assignment to check out the alarm, a maintenance worker named Stephen Schuck was sent to check out a fire exit door that would not open.  Presumably this is the same door Campos was assigned to investigate.

Maintenance worker Schuck could not open the door from the stairwell and needed to go back into another wing to come to the front of the exit door on the 32nd floor.

During this Schuck transit time Campos arrived on the 32nd floor and noted the hotel suite door partially open (didn’t knock) and encountered the shooter, Stephen Paddock, who shot Campos in the leg (upper left thigh) and fired multiple rounds through the door.

Maintenance worker Schuck arrives to find Security Guard Campos hiding in an alcove (“poking his head out”) who immediately warned Schuck to get away and then both come under a hail of gunfire.  See video interview:

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According to the last official press conference this ‘hail of gunfire’ was around 9:59pm.  Approximately six minutes prior to Paddock breaking out the hotel windows and spraying the crowd (10:05pm).   According to released audio, maintenance worker Stephen Shuck used his radio to call the hotel security office, inform them of a gunman on the 32nd floor and request a 9-11 call to police.

That’s where things stand based on the latest media publications of events as described:

LAS VEGAS — A maintenance worker said Wednesday he told hotel dispatchers to call police and report a gunman had opened fire with a rifle inside the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino hotel before the shooter began firing from his high-rise suite into a crowd at a nearby musical performance.

The revised timeline has renewed questions about whether better communication might have allowed police to respond more quickly and take out the gunman before he committed the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

Worker Stephen Schuck says he was checking out a report of a jammed fire door on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay when he heard gunshots and a hotel security guard, who had been shot in the leg, peeked out from an alcove and told him to take cover.

“As soon as I started to go to a door to my left the rounds started coming down the hallway,” Schuck said. “I could feel them pass right behind my head.

“It was kind of relentless so I called over the radio what was going on,” he said. “As soon as the shooting stopped we made our way down the hallway and took cover again and then the shooting started again.”

Police said Monday they believe gunman Stephen Paddock shot a hotel security guard through the door of his suite six minutes before he unleashed a barrage of bullets into the crowd of concert-goers, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more.

The injured guard used his radio and possibly a hallway phone to also call hotel dispatchers for help.

That account differs dramatically from the one police gave last week when they said Paddock fired through the door of his room and injured the unarmed guard after shooting into the crowd.

The company that owns Mandalay Bay has questioned the new timeline.

“We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline,” said Debra DeShong, a spokeswoman for MGM Resorts International. “We believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate. This remains an ongoing investigation with a lot of moving parts.”

Las Vegas police did not respond Tuesday night to questions about the hotel’s statement.  (read more)

(Via Chicago Tribune) […] Ten days after the shooting, key details about what unfolded remain a mystery, while officials cannot seem to agree on basic facts about the timeline.

Police in Las Vegas, who had previously said Paddock shot a hotel security guard during the rampage, reversed course Monday and said the guard was actually wounded six minutes before the mass shooting began.

The revelation from Joseph Lombardo, the Las Vegas sheriff, gave way to a new round of questions, including when information about this shooting was relayed to hotel security and when — or if — that detail was then given to the local police. So far, neither the police or the hotel have offered any answers, and both sides have in fact suggested there could be future revisions to the timeline.

“Nobody’s trying to be nefarious, nobody’s trying to hide anything, and what we want to do is draw the most accurate picture we can,” Lombardo said in a television interview Wednesday. “I’m telling you right now, today, that that timeline might change again.”

MGM Resorts, which owns the Mandalay Bay, released a statement Tuesday night casting doubt on the latest timetable Lombardo had announced. In the statement, the company said it “cannot be certain about the most recent timeline” released publicly “and we believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate.”

MGM did not elaborate on what part of the police timeline was inaccurate and did not respond to questions regarding what it was disputing, what happened inside the hotel and whether hotel security officials are required to immediately call the police upon reports of gunshots. Through a public relations firm, MGM declined to make any employee available for an interview Wednesday, and said in a statement: “Security has been and continues to be a top priority at all of MGM Resorts.”  (read more)

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1,030 Responses to Updates on Mandalay Bay Massacre – Interview With Maintenance Worker Provides More Confusion…

  1. Bob Thoms says:

    Hannity will be talking 90% of the time….perfect stooge interviewer if you want to appear transparent but aren’t.

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      Exactly. But the guard will mess up. We need to make sure to tear his lies to ribbons.

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      • MM says:

        He will be well scripted by Mandalay Bay Lawyers.
        He’s practicing as we speak.

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          Remember – it’s all a distraction. I’m glad people are working on making them trip over their lies, but we need more incriminating physical evidence, LEAKS, and whistle-blowing.

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          • Sunshine says:

            Do you see anything wrong with the door?

            It seems to me only one door handle that locks into a fixed panel. The pattern of the panel is different which leads me to think it is not meant to be opened.

            Why is the top panel missing? Wouldn’t it be important to leave it in place for forensics since it seems all the bullets went through that panel?

            Also, the bottom panel has a few bullet holes on the bottom right side, but miraculously not one bullet hit the left side of the door itself.

            The bottom panel placement doesn’t seem to be secured to anything.

            Finally: Why is the bottom panel set in a way that it is open on the left side?

            Just thoughts…

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            • pcmoreland says:

              Both doors can open, but the door on the left is the primary door. You can tell by the door hardware. The other door is laying on it’s side which can be seen by the door detail. It was broken down during the breach but the bullet holes are visible where he shot through the door. This matches up with the statements of the maintenance worker who says he never saw him, thought he was looking through the peephole and firing.

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              • Sunshine says:

                Are you answering in terms of mirror image, meaning right is left?
                If so, I agree. You see the door hardware – door handle and part of the locking mechanism
                in the photo, including the peep hole, but no bullet holes.

                The ajar bottom left panel : why is the moulding design different and even the paint color where the moulding indentation is contoured in a beige color and then goes to a taupe color? In all my years of traveling and booking good rooms in great hotels, including castles, I’ve never seen this. If it’s a double door, always – both panels are identical.

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                • pcmoreland says:

                  I saw that too. It could be that the bottom is the center of the door which sometimes has a piece of trim over it where the two doors come together for privacy – no gap between doors. If so, it must have come off when they broke down the door and the older color paint that was beneath it can now be seen. My best guess.

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                • pcmoreland says:

                  Oh, and the square trim outline on the bottom is hidden by the crime tape.

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            • wolfmoon1776 says:

              These are great questions! Good thoughts!

              I am staying way above the weeds on the door. To me, the entire guard / Paddock / room scenario is sketchy and full of lies already. Not trusting it at all. I think we could even have a dead patsy, now that I realized how to scam him into bringing the guns to the room.

              In fact, I’m starting to think that the “birther / Snopes / adjacent straw-man lie” (where you create a close-to-true and more attractive falsehood) is the big disinformation push about ISIS gun sale / he’s an FBI undercover / blah-blah-blah.

              NO. That is the adjacent strawman. The reality is that he’s a CHUMP who got talked into bringing his guns to make an AMATEUR SALE. So much is explained if you just don’t try to make him the shooter.

              This is how the Clinton left tainted LE operates. I know because they’ve tried to use similar techniques on me. They bait you over the line and then swoop. Ruby Ridge? Etc., etc., etc. Like I said before, when the Hag is in jail, I’ve got stories. This explains what I’ve observed, that they are intensely interested in “collecting” and getting close to people with guns, with whom they can push certain scenarios.

              This is ALL starting to make sense now. The problem is, they got greedy, and used a 2nd shooter to make sure the body count was good. BIG MISTAKE.

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              • Paco Loco says:

                I’m circulating around the Chump sceanario too. We really need to know Paddocks financial situation. If he’s a flush Vegas high roller, why is he running guns? Motivation seems non political. If he was a patsy, then who set him up and why?

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                • wolfmoon1776 says:

                  The disinfo always points UP in the wrong direction – bigger, juicier plot, Paddock is more and more of an evil genius, ISIS, FBI agent, bigger, bigger, bigger…… FAIL.

                  No. Think cartel corruptoids spoofing a dumb gun owner. So easy. So simple. So evil. And we know that it’s the FBI business model already, after Beelzebubba took over.

                  No, I’m even more convinced he’s a FULL patsy – with all ranges from innocent to participant, but a patsy nonetheless.

                  Ruby Ridge, Vegas Edition, in a high-rise.

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              • Sunshine says:

                Honored to be told by you that my questioning of the door is valid.

                IMO: that bottom panel doesn’t belong there at all, different moulding design. Which brings into question was there really a hail of bullets fired through the door and the accounts of the security guy Campos and the maintenance man (who doesn’t have any emotion throughout his retelling of the story, speaks too slowly, had an earpiece…).

                I also agree Paddock is a patsy. I don’t think he shot anyone and one step further, he didn’t suicide himself – not his style, the body is too straight on the ground, legs perfectly extended.

                As to the Hag, well… Fast and Furious, the Al Qaeda-Syrian rebel weapons fiasco leading to Benghazi… there must be more undiscovered episodes of weapons trafficking and rogue elements of the FBI are involved.

                And then suddenly, the Weinstein story breaks out, just in time as a diversion.

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                • wolfmoon1776 says:

                  The whole “200 bullets through the door” scenario just seems concocted, and has bothered me from the git-go. I have NEVER trusted it.

                  I really trust nothing that allegedly went on in MB^32 any longer. Once INDEPENDENT physical evidence of 2 shooters corroborated what witnesses reported, and once they changed the MB^32 narrative because of frigging Laura Loomer spotting holes in it (as well as others), and once I learned that they are AVOIDING PHYSICAL INVESTIGATION of the second shooter, that was all I needed to know that this is a corrupt investigation.

                  I don’t know if it’s possible to FIRE MCCABE, but I will NEVER trust the FBI as long as he is there. And I will not shut up telling my fellow Americans not to trust ANY FBI under his command. He is PURE SWAMP.

                  And trust me – when they release the JFK assassination files, we will see that it, too, had a corrupt investigation. THAT is why the Swamp didn’t want Trump in office. They KNEW he would learn the truth about the Swamp.

                  Now this….

                  The idea that they threw Weinstein to the wolves is startling, TBH. There is more to this than meets the eye. Weinstein financed movies that served the interests of RevCom, so HE has deep ties to ALL this stuff. Something is up. Did he cross them? Did he rat on Hillary – or maybe do the radicals just SUSPECT that he ratted? Something is up there. They betrayed him – did he betray them? Or are the swamp monsters actually so desperate to protect themselves on Vegas (my guess is due to Hollywood involvement in constructing the false narrative) that they would sacrifice him to make their getaway?

                  Need more popcorn. And coffee.

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              • Sunshine says:

                Also, I’m happy you said the word CARTELS. I mentioned this early on.
                This is a cartel-type random slaughter, cartels go where the money is, cartels are very unhappy with the Trump Wall (Mexico not far away), so they target Trump supporters.
                Cartels are working with the FBI Obama administration leftovers and Eric Holder suddenly took a job in California (another border wall).
                And let’s not forget Obama’s Dreamers’ Act and legalizing people entering USA through Mexico.

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                • wolfmoon1776 says:

                  Oh, THAT is good stuff. Oh – NOW I see it. Yes. You have MOTIVE for the cartels! STOP THE WALL, DISARM THE VICTIMS. BRAVO! Game-changer!

                  And you also have MEANS, too, and you just solved a huge problem that is 100% parallel to Pulse Nightclub shooter – CORRUPT SECURITY. That is how they’re moving these guys around. OMG – that is how they park these guys right under our noses.

                  This is big. This just changes everything.

                  Yeah. Americans are PATSIES and FOOLS because we have always trusted all security guards, even “mall cops”. Not like Mexico where mostly they’re hired thugs likely to kill you. But guess what? MEXICO IS NOW HERE.

                  And you know the MGM boardies are SCARED ####LESS about what that means.

                  BUT WAIT. There’s more. This is what has ALREADY HAPPENED under Obama. Like you say – Fast and Furious and Rahm Emanuel’s ties to the cartels in Chicago. They were prepping the ground for all this stuff to happen under Cankles, where cartellies would bring Mexican murder values to America. Take care of all her political enemies. Remember the threats against Trump? And what better place to start than in Vegas, using the hotel of a diversity-mongering boardroom DUPE like Murren! LMAO! There is none better. He would NEVER question a POC staffer! OMG – this is too perfect! TOO PERFECT!

                  And guess who’s guarding the lying MB security guard? HIS FRIGGING ACCOMPLICES.

                  OMG – this is it! That dumb jerk Paddock never had a chance. There were probably multiple cartellies in on this. My guess is that the “clean” one is “Jesus”. The shooters are blender cartellies. Probably did ALL the shooting out of ALL locations.

                  And McCabe will cover it up. LOL. SICK!!!

                  Good job. Cartels just shot to the top of my list. ISIS is the diversion.

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              • Sunshine says:

                Another QUESTION: Shooting occurred on Oct 01. Today, 11 days later, still no toxicology report. Wouldn’t this have been a priority?
                They have the coroner’s no brain impairment, but that’s it, nothing more. This is because people were questioning braIn dysfunction. Very strange, indeed.
                Is it possible he was drugged, then shot?

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                • wolfmoon1776 says:

                  Wouldn’t doubt it. I think drugging victims is now standard cartel methodology for moving them around before deciding their final killing optics, and I sincerely believe cartel muscle was involved here. These people are experienced murderers, and they would have no qualms killing young innocent Americans.

                  Again, this solves everything. MUCH easier to make it all work. And Murren doesn’t have to KNOW THE PLAN – they just play to his permanent blind spot.

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              • Sunshine says:

                Remember Trump repeating ”… and all the drugs flowing in from Mexico”.

                Let’s go back to Vincente Fox who declared support for Hillary Clinton and no fuc**ng wall. That same Vincente Fox who wanted to broker a peace treaty between rival cartels. He must be real friendly with all of them. If Vincente Fox openly supported Hillary, it’s because Hillary quietly supported Vincente Fox.

                And we all know little President Nieto does not run the Mexican governement, it’s the cartels. Nieto is as weak as Canada’s Justin.

                Now, take a look at Los Zetas cartel, the predominant one, specializes in indiscriminate slaughter. Their headquarters is directly across the Texas border, in Laredo (think Wall). Their areas of activity: drugs, gun-running, sex-trafficking. All cash money.

                Los Zetas is designated as the most ”sophisticated and greatest” of all the cartels. Because of the Wall, their livelihood is at stake. Just thinking…

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas

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              • Sunshine says:

                NOTICE they never showed us a photo of the wall opposite the door that should have been riddled with bullet holes. That would have been the ultimate proof of a ‘hail of bullets’.

                QUESTION: Campos, the security guard, with NO GUN.
                Really, in a place where loads of $$$ are flowing everywhere, wouldn’t the security guard be required to be armed? He had to have been armed, no question about this. So, why the ”unarmed” story?

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                • wolfmoon1776 says:

                  I’m doubting that he’s even a regular security guard. I think something weird about him – very sketchy – and they’re trying to evade.

                  This whole thing is nuts. Everything just gets worse. This “event” was clearly a VEHICLE to attack Trump, and was loaded with REAL MURDER and FAKE NARRATIVE. They parked it next to Mandalay Bay b/c the CEO would never cross his POC and especially the sketchy illegal cartellies.

                  This is every bit like Hollywood eating its own right now. It’s ANOTHER implosion.

                  Murren and MGM are sitting on a room full of sketchy that makes no sense, FBI is corrupt and wants the truth to go away, already tilting it to what they want, Deep State shills are in an uproar between new talking points, torn between honest LE and bogus LE.

                  Popcorn. Just wait for truth from the crowd, assume everything the authorities tell us is a lie, and munch.

                  Munch, munch, munch.

                  Did you see that FBI wiped all devices they confiscated from employees of the event? YEAH. Sketchy FBI. Never trust them again until McCabe is in jail. Putin is more trustworthy, G_d forbid. Bibi for sure. Isn’t that SICK? Our own FBI run by people we can’t trust AT ALL!

                  Pray for Trump to clean it out!

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          • farmhand1927 says:

            “Tim McVeigh, Jihadists & the Las Vegas Shooter–Is There A Connection?”
            https://clashdaily.com/2017/10/tim-mcveigh-jihadists-las-vegas-shooter-connection/

            If the link doesn’t open, the article is at: http://www.clashdaily.com

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  2. Howie says:

    I am wondering about the CSI. 58 murder victims. 58 police reports. Hundreds of wounded. How bad will they botch it? Did they even do any? This is going to be the Big Bungle in the Las Vegas Jungle. Especially if there is proof of a crossfire they do not want to get out.

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    • lettruthspeak says:

      How is possible that over 500 other people were shot by high powered missile-like bullets and not one person has succumbed to their injuries since the shooting eleven days ago. Something is seriously wrong in all of this.

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      • Dr. D says:

        500 other people were injured, but not necessarily shot. Many were injured by the stampede, trampled, etc.

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        • covfefe999 says:

          That’s right. I read a story last night about a woman who was helping someone who was shot and then a guy mowed her (the helper) down and she is now partially paralyzed. It makes me sick to think that people could be so cruel, in a hurry to leave is understandable but to ram a mature woman into the ground is just so disgusting I can hardly bear it.

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      • mariner says:

        I think “seriously wrong” is written all over this incident, but not here.

        It just means that those whose survival was iffy died at the scene, during transport, or shortly after arriving at the hospital.

        Those in better shape and receiving hospital care have lived, and that’s a good thing.

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        • James W Crawford says:

          Agreed.

          Given the very large number of people shot and the resulting delays in getting the wounded to hospitals, those who received serious wounds died while only those whose wounds would be survivable with only minimal treatment lived. The chief trauma surgeon who appeared in a press conference to spew antigun propaganda about how the wounds from the “assault rifles” were extraordinarilly horrific suggests that ER treatment was incompetent. The proable 55 grain to 65 grain, 5.56mm bullets used by the shooter had probable decellerated from a muzzle velocity of about 3,000 feet per second to barely 1,500 feet per second before impacting people at a range of 500 yards. The resulting wounds would be about as serious as getting shot with a .380 or even a .32 caliber.

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      • mimbler says:

        5.56 bullets are essentially .22 sized and at that distance have approximately the energy of a .22
        So a lot of the injuries were trampling type, and the shootings were effectively like .22 shots. They -can- kill you, but most often don’t.

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        • farmhand1927 says:

          President Reagan was shot with a .22 round.

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        • pcmoreland says:

          They are similar in caliber, they are not similar in energy. .223 is heavier, travels faster, and has much more energy. .22LR has 135 ft lbs. of force vs. 1296 for the .223. Not even close.

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          • mimbler says:

            That’s not what I said. I said at that distance the energy remaining in a .223 is very close to that of a .22 at close range.
            At 450 yards the .223 is down to 250 ft lb. Not all that far from a close range .22.

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    • oldiadguy says:

      One police report with 58 homicides and hundreds of assaults as incident occurred at one location. The questions is what address are they going to use. The concert venue or the hotel. Check Uniform Crime Reporting System for more info.

      If the LVPD does report writing like many agencies, the incident report with just bare basics has been completed, however, all the details will be in the supplemental reports attached to the original complaint/incident number. The completed report will be many months from now. We will just have to wait.

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    • mnwild1961 says:

      I’d be very interested in the autopsies which should show the bullet trajectory upon entering the bodies versus how/where they were positioned.

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    • angelwhiskers says:

      like

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  3. The Raven says:

    Nothing about the other shootings that happened around the same time.

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    • Bob Thoms says:

      Nothing, because it never happened?

      Where are the real time IPhone videos from people at the Bellagio ?

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    • maggiemoowho says:

      She may have thought she heard something, but it sounds like many people panicked in the hotel after the other shooting and freaked out over a noise that was not gun fire. None of the videos that this woman has posted, show anything though. She claimed there was shattered glass, yet she shows none of it. When she got the chance to talk to security about the shooting, again nothing.

      If there was a shooting at the Bellagio with the hotel being that crowded, someone would have been injured and even if there were no injuries, there would be many cell phone videos showing it.

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    • Why hasn’t sheriff been asked about shooters at other hotels?
      Just go & read the transcript of police communications during the shootings.
      Hard to take a video when you are getting shot at don’t you think?

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    • heres another…
      Shooter At Bellagio Hotel – Video of Hotel

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      • Bob Thoms says:

        A video of the hotel lobby with people milling around. No gun shots, no people fleeing in fear, just a normal day at the Bellagio…………………

        If this video was taken at the time of the supposed “Bellagio shooting”; then this video disproves your “shots fired” theory.

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        • Laura says:

          I checked the Earthcam archives (all I could find were still pictures taken every 15 minutes), but they don’t seem to indicate mass panic during the time between 10 and 11 p.m. on Oct. 1. Of course, this is just one camera in one area of the hotel, so take that into consideration as well.

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  4. MVW says:

    I think it is worth revisiting Wynn’s comment that Paddock and Danley were consistently rational, did not drink even wine or beer, that Paddock’s preparation was careful and not impulsive. Wynn gave a careful assessment of Paddock and concluded Paddock was making a statement.

    So, given that and the weight Wynn’s view deserves, what happened to Paddock’s statement? Why make a statement and not make sure it was known? There is a huge missing piece here.

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    • Bob Thoms says:

      I think you are being too literal with the term “statement”……

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      • TheWanderingStar says:

        If not statement, then spectacle.

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      • MVW says:

        No. There can be no statement without meaning. All we have now is bullets fired from a window. Your reply is not serious to Wynn’s salient point, a brushoff.

        This is the heart of the issue. Careful planning, sacrificed his own life, rational man in every way for years, his and her both with unbroken discipline, and no meaning? And this is Wynn’s assessment.

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        • Bob Thoms says:

          You are looking for a piece of paper, audio, video as being the “statement” from the shooter? If so, you misunderstand what Wynn was saying.

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          • MVW says:

            A laptop, cell phone, associations, a trail, count the ways to leave a message or make a statement. Perhaps you can think of more.

            The Sheriff explained at one point that he has stopped using the shooter (Paddock’s) name and just calling him the shooter in case notoriety was the motivation. It may be that Paddock’s message or statement, in whatever form it took, is being withheld for the same reason.

            I am not trying to convince you or anyone of anything, just revisiting Wynn’s comment on Paddock which I considered insightful. Wynn said what he said, take it anyway you want.

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        • Eskyman says:

          We have bullets fired- from somewhere. Maybe it was from windows on the 32nd floor, where no one yet has managed to find a video of muzzleflashes, or maybe they were fired from somewhere else. No one saw any billowing clouds of gunsmoke either. (Modern “smokeless” gunpowder isn’t smokeless, but it is in comparison to black powder.)

          We have a possible shooter, who is dead. That means he can’t tell us anything at all, but he was found in a room with broken windows, lots of weapons and a smattering of fired cartridges. Where are all the hundreds of rounds of brass that were shot? No idea.

          This possible shooter is known for his careful planning, his rational taking of risk, his unbroken discipline: yet he leaves his door ajar, he shoots through the door at a worker who caught him by surprise, he then panics and breaks out the windows & starts shooting.

          That doesn’t seem rational, disciplined or the result of careful planning to me.

          He’s only shot a fraction of the ammo he’s brought, but now he accidentally or on purpose shoots himself through his mouth and dies.

          If this were a Marx Brothers comedy I might buy it, especially if he teamed up with the Keystone Kops to make the film. In reality? No way, Jose!

          Oh, and there’s the International Man of Mystery, good old Jose Campos. Who isn’t saying anything to anyone. This is a fine kettle of fish!

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  5. LongBow says:

    Last night I researched “stampedes” on Wiki. Why? Because the rotten jerks who are running this investigation have still not told us how many of the fatalities and wounded were the result of bullets and how many from being squashed or trampled. Anyone who has been semi-crushed in the surge of people at the gates of a rock concert will know why this is real and important.

    Paul Craig Roberts has provided a platform for a former Armed Services’ surgeon (or two) to speak about his take on the video of the wounded. He states that from the footage he has seen, the wounds do not appear to be near severe enough to have been caused by modern high velocity rounds. I won’t go into details, just google it and google crowd panic and stampedes as well. I mean we are told that the guard spent an hour helping police clear rooms on the floor after he had been wounded in the leg???? Come on. What kind of “wound” was that? What does the word even mean at that point? According to the surgeon, a wound caused by a tumbling .223 round is horrific and disabling, even if to an extremity of the body.

    The media blindly repeats that the killer shot and killed something like 60 people and “wounded” 500. This sensationalizes the event. Far more mundane would be the news that the majority died or were battered and bruised in a soccer game like rush to the exits. This would also put to rest much speculation about the shooter’s accuracy etc. We need as accurate a picture of what happened as we can get.

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    • mike says:

      Thanks for this commentary.

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    • bofh says:

      I have read somewhere that the hospitals treated something like 140 or so gunshot wounds. if that’s correct (and it should be very easy for LE to verify, then all of the rest of the 500 wounded are NON-gunshot wounds, and presumably are all due to injuries from the stampede and panic.

      I’m not sure it’s accurate to say that Paddock “wounded” all of those people, but I suppose you could make that point by saying that they were injured (although indirectly) because of his actions. But media saying Paddock “wounded 500” makes it sound like he shot all of those people, which is almost certainly incorrect.

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    • luongo646@earthlink.net says:

      Close to the stage, a pick-up truck was parked. The owner had the presence of mind to hitch a cable to the fence and drag it down with his truck. We hear very little about this hero.

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    • James W Crawford says:

      The surgeon is somewhat mistaken. At a range of 500 yards, a 5.56 mm rifle projectile has decellerated from about 3,000 feet per second to about 1,500 feet per second. Unless the ammunitionthat was used in such prolifigate volume was a quality hollow point, there was minimal expansion and any tumbling of the projectile was not violent enough to break up the projectile in the manner that the 5.56 is renown for at closer range where impact velocity is higher.

      Remember; the hydrodynamic forces exerted on and by the bullets are proportion to velocity squared.

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      • LongBow says:

        True dat.

        Which only makes it more likely that many may have been seriously hurt from the stampede. (I’m not intending to downplay the suffering of anyone who was a victim of this attack, merely trying to get the valences and centers of gravity rightly apportioned)

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    • deqwik2 says:

      Somewhere there is an interview that said some of the people were in such shock that they were running out in traffic, getting hit by cars. (I believe it may have been when they interviewed Bob Massi & he was saying what his son’s friends had seen).

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    • Rob1 says:

      “I mean we are told that the guard spent an hour helping police clear rooms on the floor after he had been wounded in the leg???? Come on.”

      Remember it is claimed that the security guard got shot through the door. The bullet would obviously lose some energy as it traveled through the door. How much? I can’t say, but I suspect it would be a lot. Hotel room doors are pretty thick. Who knows, maybe he didn’t even get hit with a bullet. He could have a piece of the door in his leg. All we have been told is he got hit while the shooting was going on, and it caused him to bleed, but he wasn’t incapacitated.

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      • pcmoreland says:

        All gun shot wounds are not the same. A through and through hurts, but won’t incapacitate you. And then there is the adrenaline rush. You can do a lot while shot depending on the shot and injuries from being shot range from catastrophic to fairly minor. I see no problem here.

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    • anthohmy says:

      I had a relative who survived the Cocanaut Grove fire in Boston. He paid extra attention to crowds after that.

      The report produced afterward, given the time and place and habbenings, is retrospectively thought provoking. very interesting given the times, actually.

      I stared at the diagrams for a long time, scratching my head in wonder. I’m not sure I would have looked at it the same way in real time, only as more was revealed over decades.

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    • James W Crawford says:

      Unless they have been in the military and deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq, most rrauma surgeons have never treated a wound from a rifle. The FBI Supplementary Homicide Reports document the fact that almost all gun homicides in large cities are committed with handguns rather than rifles or even shotguns.

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    • mazziflol says:

      I quit reading after “I have not dealt with high velocity gunshot wounds but I have studied the terrible injuries in Palestinians in Gaza caused by every type of modern weapon – there are many thousands.”

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  6. MIKE says:

    Muhammed Aziz. That is the name of the attorney hired by Paige Gasper. As if we need more Islama-drama.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      She’s suing 3 different entities (bump stock manufacturer, Mandalay, and something else) and I think she has different attorneys for each. Aziz is probably just focused on one of the lawsuit targets.

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  7. MVW says:

    We are only going to find out the reality of what happened if it is required for the business in Vegas to survive. Security at Campos’ home means Vegas has circled the wagons.

    Wynn has made the pitch that security will stop future attacks. An attack at the Belagio will dent that narrative. Video of that will make or break this. Or wound details that don’t match the narrative.

    I expect these guys have had time to airtight their story or Campos would not be on Hannity.

    Feds are not going to come clean either.

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  8. Tparty says:

    The Mandalay Bay hotel has ALL the evidence it needs to prove it’s assertion that Campos was shot after the massacre …. show us the video.

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  9. DeWalt says:

    Had a thought about target. Numbers on paper ( the note). What is the position of the airport in regards to the hotel? How about the approach of incoming planes. Could this have been the real target?
    He was a pilot and knows something of where to hit a plane for control effect. Maybe choosing the concert night was purely for sound cover. Was there info on computer that would give you capacity of inbound planes?
    One plane downed would make the concert killings look like a day in the park, hundreds dead instead of dozens.
    Also this would make more sense in terms of the bipods and optics.
    Just pondering.

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  10. To me Paddock’s shoes speak volumes. Pamela Geller posted that in his deposition in the slip & fall lawsuit that he was wearing his flip flops that were his his favorite shoes to wear.
    The death photo shoes him in some kind of soft shoes. He was said to be sort of a slouchy guy.
    The “suicide” was supposed to have taken place after he massacred 59 people. Did he do it in soft shoes?
    If he planned a getaway with uniform of bus boy or security guard, surely those soft shoes don’t fit
    with that. Does Mandalay Bay have a dresss code for workers?
    I guess he could have planned to change shoes but that seems like it would take too much time while makIng his fast escape.

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    • oldiadguy says:

      I noticed the shoes as well. They look like a pair of Dr. Scholl’s slip on shoes.

      https://www.walmart.com/ip/Dr-Scholl-s-Men-s-Connor-Slip-On-Shoes/22365227

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      • anthohmy says:

        Slip on or non-slip? Restaurant employees are required to have no-slip shoes.

        Has anybody addressed the light fixture to the left of the door with the yellow tape making it impossible to enter so early on? The light is taken apart, wires exposed, the bulb is hanging down below the plate. It has been rattling around my head for days.

        And speaking of plates, the plate identifying the other room as 32-134 appears to be haphazardly tucked into the top of the light fixture rather than permanently affixed to the wall.

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        • oldiadguy says:

          I believe the conditions you are describing are the result of the SWAT team breaching the door with an explosive charge. The door plate was apparently just placed on top of the fixture to get it out of the way.

          I’m not clear what you are asking about the crime scene tape that was used to secure the scene. I suspect entry to the suite was being made via another door, not so directly involved in the incident during the processing of the scene.

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          • anthohmy says:

            Ah another entry point to the suite! The door plate to which I refer on top of the fixture references the door behind the service cart to a second room. That room does door does not appear to be breached or perhaps that isn’t actually room 32-134, I misunderstood it as such due to the presence of the door plate.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      I too think the shoes are telling. Someone with the intention of making a fast getaway would likely wear lace-up shoes firmly attached to their feet, like gym shoes. But when you think about it, Paddock wasn’t the brightest bulb in the pack. He was clearly mentally ill, you’d have to be to shoot into a crowd of strangers. What was the evidence that he was planning to escape? I kind of think it was his intention to do this deed and then wipe himself out.

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  11. Tparty says:

    Body language analysis of maintenance engineer.

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    • How could he see Jesus was shot? He was hiding in a doorway?

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    • telerider says:

      Seems to me that if the hotel doorway was a foot deep as Mr. Schuck says here and by all accounts Paddock being a practiced shooter then Paddock would not spray 200 rounds down the hallway but instead take actual aim on two men that were radio equipped and try to put them down, fast. A thin steel door frame and sheetrock are not going to stop that caliber of bullet. A Jihadist might shoot like that, though. What a mess of a story…

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    • ladyliberty11 says:

      Body language expert concludes this young man’s countenance, speech, body language, etc., indicate that he was being prompted on what to say about what happened by someone couching him in the earpiece in his ear – note the slow speech (she provides many other clues). Of course, it only took them 10 days to concoct this.

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    • Eskyman says:

      I agree with that analysis. This interview has red flags all over it for me.

      This guy sounds like he was carefully coached & doesn’t want to make any mistakes in his testimony. The analyst said something like “it sounds like earpiece behavior,” and I agree. He sounds like he’s getting fed the information & is carefully and unemotionally repeating what he’s been told to say.

      This guy does not seem to be a very good actor, but I’ll give odds that he is acting.

      This interview is good for convincing me that this guy wasn’t even there. He might as well be wearing a T-shirt that says, “Fake News.”

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    • covfefe999 says:

      Schuck said he had walked 1/3 down the 100 hallway (Paddock’s) and Campos poked his head out from one of the alcoves, so Campos must have been even closer to Paddock’s room than Schuck was.

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  12. mimi says:

    I really don’t know the answer to this, is it normal to have press briefings days apart with a story this big?

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    • Eskyman says:

      Nothing about this affair seems normal, does it?

      Maybe the authorities need days between press briefings to get their latest story polished up. So far they haven’t come up with a believable yarn, that’s their problem.

      They probably think we can’t handle the truth. Or perhaps they don’t want us to know the truth. So far all of it stinks on ice!

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  13. georgiafl says:

    What was all the drilling about?
    Surveillance?
    Video/sound?
    A sting operation?
    With wireless, etc. all the drilling doesn’t make sense.

    OR is that part or ALL of Campos’ (and the maintenance guy’s) story fiction/lies?

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    • deqwik2 says:

      The Sheriff speculated that he was drilling a hole for the gun barrel so he could shoot down hall or another camera.

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      • Tejas Rob says:

        I thought they said he was drilling on the door between the two rooms, not the exterior door?

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        • jakeandcrew says:

          Sheriff Lombardo, in the 10/9 press conference\

          “There was drilling done. It was to the doorway…adjacent wall to the doorway. Just assumption would be to place a camera or to place a rifle. But the drilling was not completed.” (at about 5:35)

          I think he stumbled over his words there, but meant the adjacent wall to the doorway. Which doorway, though?

          Continuing…
          The reporter asks the sheriff if Campos heard the drilling. Sheriff answers, “Yes he did”. Then asks if he knocked because of the drilling. Sheriff replies, “No – there’s never been anything out in the public forum about knocking. He was investigating an open door. He became a..the..a.. drilling sound.”

          During his opening statement, the sheriff said that Campos was shot “…as he did his room check about the door alarm down the hall from the suspect’s room..” (at about 1:00)

          I don’t think Paddock’s door was open. I think Campos was investigating an open door alarm in another room, and he heard the drilling from inside Paddock’s suite. Or at least, I think that’s what the sheriff’s story is.

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  14. Ziiggii says:

    The seasoned trauma surgeon has years of experience dealing with firearm violence, but nothing prepared him for the waves of critically injured concertgoers, so many of them with gaping gunshot wounds to their heads.

    The point this doctor makes further in the article has not escaped me:

    “These weren’t people involved in gang warfare and even then we never see so many head shots at once,” MacIntyre recalled. “And they just kept being brought in by pickups, vans, cars and ambulances.”

    Even though Paddock’s angle may have accounted for the high number of head wounds, MacIntyre still wonders whether the gunman was deliberately trying to inflict maximum carnage from his sniper’s perch.

    “I saw that scope he was using and I can’t stop wondering whether he aimed for the heads,” he said.

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/shell-have-pieces-of-the-bullet-in-her-brain-forever-las-vegas-shooting-victim-beating-the-odds/

    Can “spray and pray” be solely to account for ALL these apparent head wounds? I’m not talking probabilities based on number of rounds vs number of ppl. What if the Paddock spray was “covering fire” for other more precise selective shots?

    I have continually had a hard time squaring the number of head GSW’s (injured and deceased) that occurred in this event. It would support another shooter (location unknown) but, can it be explained away via the single shoot narrative? IDK, just seems more unlikely given the distance, elevation and lighting with no tracer rounds to assist in ‘Kentucky windage’ adjustments.

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    • James W Crawford says:

      Heck No!

      Must have been a second shooter, probably armed with a scoped, .308 or even a .338 caliber rifle firing at a slower, deliberate pace to inflict such precise and horrific wounds at 500 yards. May be even multiple shooters.

      Look on the roof for shell casings.

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      • georgiafl says:

        Maybe the missing rifle?

        A couple of independent investigators have reasons to believe (video analysis, taxi driver audio) that the towers in the vacant lot, rooftops of convenience store and nearby apartments – all close to the concert venue – are reasonable possible sites for other shooters – Scott Binsack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&v=Y9EsR855LX4) and Mike Adams (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc6GcViB-Sk)

        Binsack is a Kojak looking/sounding guy and Mike Adams is a natural food guy, but had military or law enforcement experience.

        Binsack has a 4 hour video on this for those who are interested and can stand him for that long. Go to his youtube channel.

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      • pcmoreland says:

        Come on guys. Have you ever tried to hit something, anything at 400+ yards? Scope or not? I have been hunting my whole life and it is hard!!! A head shot? At night? With moving targets? Impossible with the scopes I see as I have yet to see one with night vision. The movies portray this as easy. It is not. Incredibly difficult under excellent conditions and these were not those.

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        • Eskyman says:

          Not to mention that the scopes were useless, since our patsy- oh, sorry, I meant ‘our murderer,’ was using bump fire, so he couldn’t have been aiming except in a general sense (about like you’d aim a garden hose at something clear across the yard, so you have to aim it high and hope it’ll reach where you want it to.)

          There wouldn’t be any kind of accuracy at all, and no way for this magical shooter on the 32nd floor to aim for anyone’s head.

          Where’s Suspicious Cat? This smells to me like weeks-old fish!

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    • georgiafl says:

      Can drones be armed and aimed at specific targets? Paddock was familiar with drones.

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    • Molly Pitcher says:

      From the article, the surgeon says he’s seen the scope…when did he see the scope or even a picture of it?
      All the gun peeps giving explanations and knowledge here & everywhere..I can’t recall much at all about the scope.

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    • Rob1 says:

      A typical concert has thousands of people standing shoulder-to-shoulder. This guys was shooting at them from above. I bet it would be pretty hard to get a body shot under those circumstances. So yeah, I think spray and pray would in fact result in a lot of head shots (and neck and shoulder shots).

      All that would change once the crowd spreads out, though.

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    • Dixie says:

      Ziiggii, remember that at some point very early at the beginning of this travesty, someone turned on all the spotlights (which were not on before) and the crowd was illuminated quite clearly, especially if a shooter happened to be behind the spotlights. Looking into the spotlights would have blinded a shooter. Don’t know if that was coincidence or planned?

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    • itswoot says:

      “Can “spray and pray” be solely to account for ALL these apparent head wounds?”

      I think that it could be so. Those who were at the concert would have been bunched together for several minutes until most of them had cleared the exit gates. On the inside, the exits would have funneled them together as well.

      This photo was taken during a packed concert (not Las Vegas), and from an elevated position. It is a large file. Click on it for an expanded view.

      Notice that with most of the concertgoers only their head is showing, or very little else below their shoulders.

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  15. DeWalt says:

    In light of my hypothesis watch this video.

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  16. Tiger.red says:

    I wonder if Jose Campos’s security detail for his “protection” is actually a soft form of house arrest to keep him (and others) quiet.

    Also, with the recent revelation that Paddock used the service elevator, perhaps the changing timeline is due to casino employees coming clean on their – albeit inadvertent- role in helping Paddock (or whomever) in transporting the guns/ammo into the hotel room in exchange for tips. It would explain the LVPD’s “He had to have help” statement while still maintaining Paddock was a lone gunman.

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    • deqwik2 says:

      The security guard said he was there for protection from the media.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      My conspiracy theory is limited to Mandalay Bay and MGM. So I’m theorizing that the hotel is paying for the security to keep him quiet. And one of their attorneys was present during his interview with Hannity (presuming it’s taped). I expect a lot of editing of that interview. Not sure I even want to watch it because I think I’ll be frustrated with the lack of new or solid info coming out. Campos was in the hallway and has the ability to state very accurately everything that happened up there, but I’m betting he wont. Having Hannity as interviewer isn’t going to help because he talks to much and flits off in various directions rather than sticking to an idea until it’s finished.

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  17. Tparty says:

    Hearing rumors of arrest of second shooter from CNN. Is that the ‘real’ fake CNN or a “fake” CNN?

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    • Ziiggii says:

      normal SOP?

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      • Cuppa Covfefe says:

        That sounds like a violation of the Fourth Amendment (not that the Fake Bureau of Incrimination cares, since Brennan and Obozo)…

        Sounds like someone has something VERY big to hide. Or there are some very ham-handed IT folks involved (Awans, anyone?)…

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      • RAC says:

        Copying it is one thing but wiping it is something else altogether, good grief.

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      • Tejas Rob says:

        >normal SOP?<

        Never heard of such a thing before.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        Copying files would make sense, but deleting everything doesn’t sound right. The cellphone, laptops and contents are the identifiable property of the individual owner. The one comment claims that since it is an active Federal crime scene they can wipe clean cellphones and laptops. I never heard of such a thing unless there was a court order. Copywrite issues?? Someone of the Federal level needs to explain this or the smell of conspiracy is going to increase.

        For some reason the Oklahoma Bombing keeps coming to mind.

        Take Care and Stay Safe

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        • Ziiggii says:

          yeah, that’s what I was thinking as well. I’d like to see some smart journo start asking questions about these types of rumors.

          OKC, San Bern… either people aren’t continuing to hone their trade crafts or the Feds are just getting more and more sloppy with each passing decade. IDK, pick one I guess.

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        • Howie says:

          Is Vegas within 100 miles of the border. If so they can confiscate without warrant any computer or cell phone.

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          • oldiadguy says:

            I’m pretty sure Las Vegas is farther than 100 miles from Mexican border. The problem here they didn’t seize the electronic devices, but had wiped them clean. These items are the personal property of the individuals who dropped them when they came under fire. The FBI evidence teams recovered them with the intent to return them to their rightful owners. I can see checking to see if their was any video that may provide evidence in the investigation, but to wipe them clean????

            As I said previously, the FBI owes the owners of the devices and the rest of us an explanation. Otherwise all this action does is fans the conspiracy theory flames.

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        • Ziiggii says:

          The FBI is asking that people who left phones behind send a text message with their name and contact information to the devices. The FBI is charging phones and will call owners to arrange pickup.

          https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/all-property-left-after-las-vegas-shooting-can-now-be-claimed/

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          • oldiadguy says:

            Damage Control

            https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/mgm-again-disputes-las-vegas-police-timeline-of-shooting/

            Worst mass shooting in U.S. history and the hotel security staff “guess” at the time their guard was shot. And they guessed 9:59 PM?????

            So the dancing go on. SMH

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            • Ziiggii says:

              “The 9:59 p.m. PDT time was derived from a Mandalay Bay report manually created after the fact without the benefit of information we now have,” the statement continued. “We are now confident that the time stated in this report is not accurate. We know that shots were being fired at the festival lot at the same time as, or within 40 seconds after, the time Jesus Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio.”

              WAIT WAIT WAIT…. I thought Schuck was the one that called in over the radio? MGM was the ones that leaked the audio recording before the NBC interview correct?

              FUBAR – what a massive cluster

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              • MM says:

                The Tangled Webb we weave when we practice to deceive.

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              • woohoowee says:

                Zig – look back at my remarks on the first page of comments re: gremlins and you’ll understand what I was trying so hard to say, and did find a work around. They’re trying to stop me from talking/asking about this very thing.

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                • MM says:

                  I always look forward to seeing how you and your gremlins are getting along each day. l LOL …….woohoowee you have upset the gremlins bigly!

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                • woohoowee says:

                  LOL 🙂 As long as I’m not talking about anything the gremlins don’t want me to talk about everything is smooth sailing. But try to say something they don’t want spoken and ya gotta give ’em a run for their money! At first it was frustrating, but now it’s fun to see if I can find a way around them.

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            • MM says:

              I’m shaking my head with you oldiaguy.
              I can only imagine the response I’d get from my workers comp/commercial insurance carriers if I were to do such a thing as this.
              It’s all about the money.

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  18. Jim Rogers says:

    Is the FBI awaiting for the arrival of Inspector Clouseau to solve and conclude the inquiry???

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  19. Christina says:

    For some reason this page won’t accept my “likes.” I wanted to say, I think dewalt is onto something with location of airport. Then the question becomes, “Was a specific plane being targeted?

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    • maggiemoowho says:

      Try refreshing the page, it does that to me until I refresh twice.

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    • LGSpiriformes says:

      I don’t know if the airport could have been the target. If you look at the aerial (Google Maps) photos, the Oasis Apartments are probably 500 meters from the MB, and the Airport terminal(s) are another…200 Meters past that? This isn’t “scientific” on my part, just an observation. With the type of weapons that were fired, it would be lucky to even “spay and pray,” at that distance. Yes, I have experience with military weapons, and an M60 MG has an effective range of 1100 meters, an M240 is 800-1100 Meters. I’d point out though: These weapons are “cone of fire” at that distance, meaning the rounds “drop in” to the target area…

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  20. Mike diamond says:

    They may never tell us what really happened!!! Its a news media frenzy ! Keep praying for the victims of this tragedy !

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  21. Molly Pitcher says:

    Somebody is working overtime to shut off discussion. An innocuous story about a valet who parked Paddock’s car zapped from the web. I was rereading the archived copy and went to see if it really was gone and got the “We apologize” message, currently unavailable. smh

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  22. mazziflol says:

    Interesting…. If true. Reading the comments says he was added 4hr later after the news broke.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/polNewsInfinity/status/918099154173419520

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  23. jakeandcrew says:

    Transcript of the police scanner:
    At >47:10, it says, “…confirming the Mandalay Bay, and Alibaba and Guille’s (sp?) are the two shooting locations, do we have a third?”

    The intersection of E Ali Baba Lane and Giles Street is on the opposite side of the concert venue from Mandalay Bay, and directly across from Gate 5. It’s also a closer position to the airport fuel tanks. If true, that would explain a lot.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0953901,-115.170336,3a,60y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sojzREBBMKYHryiMunaudrw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    In the audio of the police scanner, an officer says there were shots coming from Gate 7. I have looked at every map I could find of the Festival grounds – I only see up to Gate 6. Not sure how you could mistake a 5 for 7, but there is no Gate 7.

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  24. Molly Pitcher says:

    Before Paddock’s shooting rampage began at 10:05 p.m., Campos radioed and called security on a hotel phone about a gunman in the building, Clark County Assistant Sheriff Tom Roberts said this week. Officers were already in the building on a different call
    from article today~ http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-casino-security-20171012-story.html
    can’t remember if we had heard that officers were already at MB

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    • covfefe999 says:

      I want Hannity to ask Campos about this. Initial reports, and the initial timeline, were based on this information. But when they updated the timeline and Schuck and his recorded radio call were introduced, did that refute the claim that Campos made a call? I’m almost afraid to watch the interview because I’m going to be so irked if Hannity doesn’t ask about this. We need calm rational facts, I don’t want to hear about the personal stuff until the facts have been presented.

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  25. llamamama3 says:

    Is this fake news? The article is saying it is the reason the FBI had to return a second time to Paddocks house. I tried to post site but I don’t think I did it correctly.

    I probably shouldn’t have posted it. I did because it’s the first I’ve heard about it and actually asking a question rather than making a statement. Has anyone else heard about this?

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/intruders-entered-stephen-paddocks-house-in-reno-police-say/

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    • Tejas Rob says:

      They did report they went back to “re-inventory” Paddock’s homes. I wondered why at the time but now I’m pretty sure it was because of the breaki n, they will compare their original inventory to the new one to try to determine if anything was taken.

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      • llamamama3 says:

        Thank you Texas Rob! With so much fake news, I just don’t know what to believe!
        I do wonder why the house was left so vulnerable to allow intruders.
        Thanks again!

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        • Tejas Rob says:

          >I do wonder why the house was left so vulnerable to allow intruders.<

          FBI ineptitude. They should have learned after the San Bernardino debacle.

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      • Howie says:

        They wanted to make sure the thief got the stuff they left on the kitchen table for him.

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      • mimbler says:

        That doesn’t ring true to me. If they weren’t done investigating, and placing all evidence into a “chain of custody”, they should have guarded the scene. If they were done, they wouldn’t care if something was taken. That would just be a local burglary at that point.

        One more thing in the list of: doesn’t pass the smell test.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      I read on one of the major MSM sites that they returned because of new info Marilou Danley provided. Similar to this from ABC:

      After questioning Paddock’s girlfriend, Marilou Danley, federal agents returned to Paddock’s three-bedroom home on a cul-de-sac in a sleepy retirement community in Mesquite, Nevada.
      They breached the boarded-up garage days after Las Vegas police first searched the home shortly after the rampage and confirmed they pulled 19 guns and several pounds of explosive materials. The return to the residence, which Paddock purchased in early 2015, was reportedly for “redocumenting and rechecking,” said Mesquite Police Chief Troy Tanner, who tagged along with the FBI agents to serve the search warrant.

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  26. Moultrie Flag says:

    Sundance,

    Took awhile to get thru this and just wanted to add (not for you but for some of the confused above)

    There is no interview with Hannity I can find anywhere, except a suspicious tweet using the wrong logos. Nothing on Hannity’s page or Fox website.

    Campos MAY NOT BE HOTEL SECURITY. He was licensed to work (despite what everyone posted above) for a separate firm that does event security, but he might have been hired recently and is staff. You don’t have to change your license once you get it. He is under the incredulous name of “larry” jose campos.

    Also, these hallways have recessed openings, not the main suite because it is at the end of the hall, but there is plenty of cover for most of the other door rooms.

    If Campos is not hotel staff, he might not have had a way to radio anyone, or only his company. That is why the engineer, if true, made the calls down, not Campos.

    Just $.02

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    • Moultrie Flag says:

      So without diving into numerology and lizard people, all of this confusion is a control of the narrative. For liability reasons. Lots of layers and MB certainly is going to try and control it, and lay as much blame as possible around, including the liability policies of any and all vendors.

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      • Howie says:

        The claims will be plus ultra past the policy limits. Cash will be flown in on pallets from area 51 to make the pay offs. Billions. Bet the ranch. CRS is workin’ overtime.

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    • Tejas Rob says:

      >There is no interview with Hannity I can find anywhere<

      Same here, I think this could be fake news. Hannity will be on in about half an hour, I'm sure he'll mention it if so.

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      • Tejas Rob says:

        20 minutes into Sean’s radio show and no mention of an interview with Campos. I’m calling this fake news.

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        • covfefe999 says:

          I thought it was going to be on his TV show tonight. People watching last night said he announced it. Or was I asleep and dreaming this?

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          • I watched his show last night and don’t recall him saying anything but, then, I frequently FF when he is running his mouth. Plus I was also kind of sleepy by then.

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          • Sassy says:

            I saw the ad for this “exclusive interview” on FOX News last night. It may be that it was set up but somebody intervened to prevent it? For sure they advertised it after his show last night.

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  27. Molly Pitcher says:

    Oh yeah… I told ya Media Matters would have something to do with the fake site…this is their quick response. (of course no involvement by one of theirs will ever be found but they were quick on the draw)
    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/10/12/mark-levin-boosted-fake-news-about-las-vegas-shooting-site-made-look-cnn/218209
    The Las Vegas massacre has inspired a litany of outlandish conspiracy theories, among them allegations that the shooting was staged by “Bolshevik” revolutionaries and that the gunman was linked to antifa and/or ISIS. This fake CNN article will also fuel speculation around one of the more common conspiracy theories, that the gunman had at least one accomplice who could have been a second shooter.

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  28. David R. Graham says:

    This Weinstein story blew up so quickly I wonder if it was meant to distract from another story that blew up quickly just before it: Las Vegas shooting, which has all the markings of a professional, protected hit/news-grabber.

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    • Moultrie Flag says:

      Look it up for yourself under “Larry Jesus Campos” I know what some are reporting on the surface level in order to push an agenda (or they are lazy)

      He was licensed in 2015 to work for the company working the event below. Doesn’t explain why he was on the 32nd floor, and some are trying to find out what conventions were going on that might explain why a guard for that company would be inside the building.

      Like I stated, he MIGHT be staff now, as one is not required to update the license, but at the time of the licensing it was for event staff, not MGM security.

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      • Tejas Rob says:

        >Look it up for yourself under “Larry Jesus Campos”<

        Where have you verified his name is Larry Jesus Campos?

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        • Moultrie Flag says:

          Who can verify anything? What does that mean for us that only have keyboards, time, and interest?

          The story goes, someone on 4chan, either shortly after before that other girl (Laura?) that is posting all over everything, is they looked Jesus Campos up, couldn’t find him. That was “proof” of actors/aliens/NWO Masons or lizard people, that this was full bore JFK+

          Some venture to say that Larry ____ ____ was added only because the ALL SEEING ONE was monitoring 4 chan, and then and went and slipped in Larry, after the fact.

          Then it came to light the differences between a “guard”(gun carrying) and a “registered employee”, which was a different tab not part of the archive, so 4Chan might have gotten that part wrong. Besides, Campos is not old enough to meet the minimum experience level required to be a gun carrying guard on the tab they looked up to begin with.

          So to answer your question, I have no answers. Some tracked down a FB profile, others said it didn’t match the known photos, and then ON TOP of that, LOL even the original photos are being dubbed as fake.

          All I’m trying to do is to apply experience with human nature, give as much leeway as I can for mistakes and the undoubted political pressure placed upon one guy (sheriff) that I am sure is getting pressure (publicly now due to liability concerns) from the MGM (who knows who supported who in his last race) the creepy FBI guy, appointed by Comey and is also the SIL of John Pedesta, and well?

          Without a full blown alien conspiracy, even though the FBI’s credibility ceased to exist for me from Comey’s first press conference last year, without all the noise the only thing that makes sense at the most basic level is that the FBI is trying to throw some narratives out there, giving calm to a couple of people in hopes of smoking them out.

          Or, they are a government agency beholden to whatever power/influence, and are inept.

          Or something in between.

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          • It’s fake news about the FBI agent being married to a Podesta relative. Wrong first name.

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          • Tejas Rob says:

            >Who can verify anything? What does that mean for us that only have keyboards, time, and interest?<

            You were the one accusing someone of being lazy or having an agenda. I just wondered how much time you spent trying to determine if that is indeed his real name, because I have and could not find any confirmation what his full name is. But if you scroll back a ways, it looks like someone might have found his real name, and it ain't Larry.

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  29. Howie says:

    Clearly, in his 8 years of leftist fundamental change Obama/Uniparty/Globalist Cabal spent the whole time weaponizing the FBI, IRS, CIA, DHS, and the rest of the agencies, against regular, patriotic, Americans. in America. Trump haz mission impossible trying to purge them of Uniparty activists. We are just regular folks. They are radicals.

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    • georgiafl says:

      Started way back with Bush I and the killing of JFK, or even earlier.

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      • Molly Pitcher says:

        Thanks to Barry’s reign I slowly began to see. Agree with both of you.

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      • covfefe999 says:

        After watching the PBS Viet Nam series I’m beginning to think the mess started in the 1960s. I realize that there were some legitimate things to complain about in that decade, real discrimination and an unjust (for us) war to name a few, but when you look at the footage of the “protests” you see that it was the same kind of tactics and the same kind of players that we’re dealing with today with the Soros-funded riots. We’ve always been told (or I have, at least) that those 1960’s “protests” were grass roots. I’m not so sure now.

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    • keeler says:

      Obama finished the job Bill Clinton started and George W. Bush didn’t give two figs about.

      Look back at the nonsense surrounding the TWA 800 incident. Read Jack Cashill’s work on the topic. Regardless of what you think happened to the plane itself, Cashill makes a very compelling case that Bill Clinton was corrupting agencies such as the FBI and NTSB over twenty years ago.

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      • bofh says:

        Cashill’s book “TWA 800” is very carefully written, thorough, and thought provoking. It’s not really about the crash, but rather, about the hoops that LE and NTSB jumped themselves through, apparently at the behest of Kallstrom’s FBI. Behind it all are the Clintons, and the book illustrates how everything and everyone drawn into their gravitational field becomes corrupted.

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    • Moultrie Flag says:

      I need to look that up again.

      Isn’t there 55 or so separate Federal agencies that are armed now?

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  30. Howie says:

    The truth is being shuffled off to ‘conspiracy theory world’. That is what they do.

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  31. Howie says:

    Shell casings reported here and there but no way for them to have got where they are seen. Unless….they just fell from the sky somehow…….out of the blue…..somehow…..

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    • Molly Pitcher says:

      By the time they decide to address all the crazy wacked tin foil theories (as opposed to actually giving any true information)…why those shell casings were there from ages ago from 1890 when prospectors were drunk and shootin off their guns

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  32. RAC says:

    It appears that the Skyvue towers are being said to be a place where a second shooter could have fired from. Apparently they are high and have internal access ladders to the top. Looking at the diagram I noticed a coincidence, I assume that the two round white things in the upper left quadrant are the fuel tanks that got hit with some shots. From where Paddock was firing, a straight line to the tanks goes right over the skyvue towers. Make of that what you will.

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    • RAC says:

      belay that…………..upper right

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      • keebler AC ovfefe says:

        Airport strip is interesting. Didn’t someone post a vid that revealed the sound of a heli overhead? Numerous hotel rooms on 3 wings of each floor including the 32nd and above to hide escape of real culprits too.

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        • Moultrie Flag says:

          There are sounds of choppers in several of the videos. To be fair, there is a lot of private and for hire chopper activity in Vegas for various reasons.

          Also, I saw threads following “mysterious lights” that turned out to be air traffic at the airport.

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    • 99Problems says:

      Aviation Fuel Tanks: This is my theory, which is mine:
      I’ve seen a video (which I can’t locate at the moment) from the far side of the concert, looking back at the stage with Mandalay in the background. The person is standing near one of the exits, next to the VIP suites.
      A few moments before the rapid fire begins, you hear several (maybe three) shots. Not automatic rounds. Three distinct “pops”. What is interesting is that you begin to see people heading the exits.
      Then moments later, you hear the first volley of rapid-fire automatic rounds and the stream of people heading for the exits, becomes a stampede.

      My theory is the first three shots were the incendiary rounds fired at the fuel tanks, just beyond the concert venue. The plan was to blow the tanks first and force the crowd to flee back toward Mandalay…thus running directly into the line of fire.

      If the explosion didn’t kill everyone, he (the) would have rained down on the panicked fleeing victims.

      There are reports he (they) had an escape plan. It would have been much easier to escape if there was a massive aviation fuel explosion as the triggering event. The chaos that ensued, would have provided cover for the escape.

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  33. keebler AC ovfefe says:

    Campos, Larry Jesus, formerly known as Jose Jesus, is a so-called witness so it’s good sign under the Trump admin that he is beiring held and/or protected from being offed by deep state. The maintenance guy witness is not under the same detail by private guards (although expect this to now change in this tale).

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    • Moultrie Flag says:

      He’s being “protected” by one dude with pistol, also a private security firm.

      Pretty sure he could easily shoot himself in the back of the head (twice) under all that protection (to your point)

      Too bad he isn’t going on Hannity tonight like half the inter webs claim.

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  34. 100% YOOPER says:

    October 4, 2017 8:34pm L.A. Times

    Sheriff’s Department Timeline

    I have shortened and left some info out

    10:05pm: First shots fired. Seen on CCTV from concert venue.
    10:12pm: First two officers arrive on 31st floor & announce gun fire from above.
    10:15pm: Last shots are fired from suspect per body-worn cameras.
    10:17pm: First two officers arrive 32nd floor.
    10:18pm: Security Officer (Campos) tells LVMPD officers he was shot & gives exact location of the suspects room.
    10:26-10:30pm: 8 additional officers arrive 32nd floor. Move systematically down hallway clearing every room & looking for injured. No longer hear gun fire from active shooter.
    10:55pm: 8 officers arrive in the stairwell & opposite end of the hallway nearest suspects room.
    11:20pm: First breach is set off & officers enter room. Observe suspect down & see second door that could not be accessed from their position.
    11:27pm: 2nd breach is set off to access second room. Realize no-one else in the rooms & radio suspect down.

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    • Moultrie Flag says:

      It would be interesting to overlay that onto the new “official” time line, and then try to piece in the engineer’s recount of events.

      I’d volunteer, everything is possible in Xcel, but I sense it would be the clusterf*ck we already know it would be.

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      • Moultrie Flag says:

        Either way, from a liability standpoint, MGM is definitely cooked. Not talking about Soros’ “shorts” or whatever, but from potential freight elevator access, to what Wynn referred to in regards to all “no service” notices to over 12 hours, to the time the last door was breached and an all clear/suspect down call was made?

        Right now it’s all about reviewing contracts and liability policies, and splitting up contributory negligence.

        It would not surprise me to see Wynn own that building in 2-3 years.

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    • Paco Loco says:

      Hey Yooper…I have lots of relatives from Republic. Love it up there.

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  35. JoD says:

    Re: Hannity interview with Jesus Campos…
    Per Judge Nap on FBN, Campos interview is on tonight’s Hannity.
    However, I believe that the interview was taped PRIOR to the BIG shift in his story.
    This should be interesting.

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    • Moultrie Flag says:

      And the plot thickens

      Wonder why as of 3pm it wasn’t showing up on Hannity’s Fox TV site or tweets.

      At first after hearing it was pre-recorded, I was “meh”

      But in light of maintenance guy’s Today show appearance and the changed timeline?

      Things should start falling into place.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      We will no doubt see a part of the arm of the attorney sitting next to Campos.

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  36. 100% YOOPER says:

    October 10, 2017 INTELLIHUB Website Author Shepard Ambellas

    Las Vegas shooting: An in-depth analysis

    This will be long and I have left out or shortened some info

    9:59pm: Security Guard Campos reportedly struck in leg by bullet.
    10:07pm: Unreported potshots?
    10:08pm: Officer(Off.)415A reported shots fired. Off. reports sees shots coming from Mandalay Bay(MB) 1/2 way up.
    10:10pm: Command Post(C.P.) reporting many down.
    *10:11pm: Off. reports gunfire from elevated position. Off. reports multiple casualties. BE ADVISED SHOTS COMING FROM GATE 7. (me:can’t find a venue map with gate 7 on it.)
    10:13pm: Off. requests L.V. Blvd be shut down between Russel Rd & Flamingo. Off. 159-gunfire from north side of MB 50/60th floor. Off.179SE reports muzzle flashes from middle of MB north side of west tower.
    *10:14pm: Off. reports he is on 31st floor & hears auto gun fire from floor above. Off. reports flashing about 1/3 to 1/2 way up. Units on L.V. Blvd were taking fire & directed to not proceed north bound. (me:where on blvd taking shots?)
    10:15pm: Off. 166 reports gunshot victim gate 8. (me:again need a map)
    10:16pm: Off. reports 50-60 victims behind wall at MB road & L.V. Blvd dodging bullets. Gate 4 victim.
    *10:17pm: Off. reports shooter on 15th floor. Off. 0675SE reports multiple victims, SHOTS FIRED RIGHT OUTSIDE MEDICAL TENT. (map)
    10:18pm: C224-new Command Post location. OFF. 169-HIS TEAM REACHED 32nd FLOOR.
    *10:20pm: Off. 15820 gunshot wound. Off 751 REPORTS IT’S BEEN A WHILE SINCE HE HEARD ANY SHOTS. (me:what’s 751s location?)
    *10:21pm: Off. 769 REPORTS HE’S TAKING FIRE FROM A VERY HIGH FLOOR. (me: what’s location?)
    10:22pm: Off. reports strobe light. Off. 361 request C.P. on L.V. Blvd & Tropicana.
    *10:23pm: Off. 235 reports CIVILIAN are saying 3 SHOOTERS. (me: what’s his location?) Off. reports EYEWITNESSES SAW MULTIPLE SHOOTERS INSIDE CONCERT VENUE!! Off. 656 sets up C.P. at Tropicana and L.V. Blvd. Perimeter up at Tropicana & Russel rd.
    10:24pm: Victim in shock. Car going wrong way on Blvd.
    10:25pm: Off. CONFIRMS ACTIVE SHOOTER IN 32-135. Off. 644D east side at Reno/med cover.
    *10:26pm: CONTROL REPORTS MB SECURITY CONFIRMS SHOTS FIRED ON 29TH AND 32ND FLOORS!! Off. reports emerging onto the 32nd floor by DEAD OFFICER. (WHAT?) Off. reports security guard has also been shot.
    10:27pm: Off. on 32nd says to clear the 29th floor. Off. 175Z requests someone go to camera room & keep an eye on the 32nd floor.
    10:28 – 10:34pm I left out.
    10:36pm: 4-man team work to clear 29th floor.
    10:38pm: 8-man team clears casino floor.
    10:44pm: Witness report older white male wearing black fatigues & a black bag go into a white motor home by Motel 6 on Cobalt & Tropicana corner. Came from area of shooting. (?)
    10:45 – 11:03pm I left out.
    *11:20pm: Off. reportedly breach shooters room.
    11:59pm: Zebra-20 finds Marilou Danley’s credit card in room.

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  37. Big League Politics posted the following:

    Airbnb Insider: Vegas spree-shooter’s account was DELETED post-massacre, Killer Rented Houses In Vegas

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/airnbn-insider-vegas-spree-shooters-account-ghosted-post-massacre-account-irregularities-raise-more-questions/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

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    • 100% YOOPER says:

      Account opened in August?

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    • Ziiggii says:

      was just coming to post this

      Before the account was ghosted, the insider said they read correspondence from Airbnb partners, who wrote to the company that Paddock not only insisted on having an entire house to himself, but also appeared to never have stepped foot on any of the properties.

      Another odd detail was that although the police reported that Paddock used the service on three different occasions, the shooter also rented a fourth property which overlapped another. He had two rentals from Sept. 17 through Sept. 22, and Sept. 19 through Sept. 22 which means that for those nights he had control of two homes.

      The fourth reservation – one in Las Vegas that they said overlapped with another reservation in the same city.

      It is strange that two different locations to be booked at the same time and in the same city for only one person—but even stranger that the police failed to mention this fourth reservation, they said.

      Paddocks last IP activity was Sept. 21, despite having an Airbnb house booked for Sept. 24 through 28, for which he had already received a review, they said.

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    • Molly Pitcher says:

      Hmm after this report and this from the dispatch report 10:44pm: Witness report older white male wearing black fatigues & a black bag go into a white motor home by Motel 6 on Cobalt & Tropicana corner. Came from area of shooting. (?)
      I’m hoping the coroner matched his fingerprints with the corpse…

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  38. Paco Loco says:

    This horrible story has almost completely disappeared from the MSM. We are living in the twilight zone.

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    • Molly Pitcher says:

      I’m praying that all of us invisible people that the pundits and pols thought didn’t matter in the election are still out here.. searching, sharing waiting..demanding answers and not that lame “just will never know why” .

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  39. LGSpiriformes says:

    Isn’t it Ironic, that this is kinda fading out…Just as the Jessica Chambers case will probably end with Justice?

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  40. 100% YOOPER says:

    THEY JUST CHANGED THE TIMELINE AGAIN!

    SHOTS WERE FIRED AT LAS VEGAS CROWD “AT SAME TIME AS, OR WITHIN 40 SECONDS” OF GUARD ATTACK!

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/breaking-mgm-resort-issues-correction-know-shots-fired-festival-lot-time-within-40-seconds-jesus-campos-reported-shot/

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    • benifranlkin says:

      My understanding was the guard Campos didn’t immediately tell anyone what had happened and that it was the maintenance man who spoke up when he arrived on the 32nd floor and was shot at too. MGM sure is trying to cover their buttskies. Still want to know why the cops waited for an hour to go into Paddock’s room.

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    • Molly Pitcher says:

      Hmm so within 40 seconds he broke out 2 huge windows, braced himself from falling out and started the massacre. AND according to the maintenance guy..he came back and shot some more down the hall too. okie dokie

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  41. woohoowee says:

    More kindness and giving – it’s the American Way:

    -snip-

    Online retailer Zappos will cover the funeral costs of any of the 58 families affected by the Las Vegas Strip shooting who approach the company.

    Zappos, based in downtown Las Vegas, also will match up to $1 million donated through crowdrise.com, according to a company statement. The company will cover all fees.

    As of Thursday, the company had raised about $348,000.

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/zappos-offers-to-cover-funeral-costs-of-las-vegas-shooting-victims/

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