Stunning Research Videos – Was Berkeley Police Department Supporting Antifa Violence?….

This is a well presented and easy to understand video which appears to make a solid case that police munitions were fired by the Berkeley Police Department against Trump supporters, and in support of AntiFA thugs, last weekend.

The video was created by Thomas Wictor who is continuing to assemble more evidence.  WATCH, it is rather stunning to realize what could be happening:

If the video is correct the FBI needs to immediately open an investigation into the use of police munitions against political opponents by Berkeley Police.

Update: 2nd Video Added:

 

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385 Responses to Stunning Research Videos – Was Berkeley Police Department Supporting Antifa Violence?….

  1. And Wikileaks/Julian Assange is the problem?
    This is NOT what we expected!
    Hilda running loose, causing problems with Soros under the cover of deep state and now rogue cops? What next?
    When is it gonna turn around?? Where is justice?!?
    I am SICK TO DEATH OF THIS!

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    • Jean . Morris says:

      I wish all Trump supporters would just stay away from the Marxist, Soros funded events. Then the nutcases would have no one to beat up and they would start beating up on each other and destroying property. Only then can the National Guard be sent in to make arrests.

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      • Tejas Rob says:

        >I wish all Trump supporters would just stay away from the Marxist, Soros funded events.

        This was a President Trump/Free Speech rally, they had speakers like Laura Southern. The antifa punks were the one who showed up and started trouble. Quit listening to the MSM and educate yourself.

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      • sunnydaze says:

        Like Tejas says, it’s Antifa, etc. who refuse to stay away from peaceful Trump supporter/free speech gatherings.

        Don’t get it twisted!

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      • don says:

        Maybe we should stop speaking, writing books and voting as well. How many freedoms should we surrender to these savages?

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    • Bill – take heart, things are changing…we were in a rapid decent but now with Trump’s leadership the county will soon level out. Trump has the right people in place but it’s going to take some time to repair eight years of destruction. Stay courageous.
      God is not done with us yet, the election proved that.

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      • don says:

        I think the tide is turning because rank and file people are starting to become aware and to resist. ANTIFA scum have been attacking in California for at least 20 years. Now the internet has made it possible for widespread dissemination of the truth. WHITES can win if they unify, organize and FIGHT BACK. There should be a federal Civil Rights Investigation of this event.

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        • sunnydaze says:

          Antifa reminds me of the “anarchist” goons who smashed windows in downtown Seattle during peaceful anti-WTO marches back in the 90’s.

          SPD stood back and let them do it. Then used that as an excuse to ship in these creepy covered-up LEO from somewhere. They literally were covered up head to toe. Not ID’d with any kind of badge.

          These non- SPD peeps then proceeded to terrorize the city for about a week. Storming restaurants away from the city center while families tried to dine to, etc. It was a nightmare.

          When local PD do not enforce law, you do not want to know what happens next.

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          • Too Real says:

            Like the Mayor of Berkley, who is an ANTIFA member and incited violence and rioting……

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            • Twinsonic says:

              Time to arrest the Mayor of Berkeley, Police Chief, and aldermen and charge them for civil rights abuses and then SUE the living daylights of them by using Title 42, Section 1984 that was used against the Klu Klux Klan back in the late 1800s. It is time to bankrupt them and force them out of Public service.

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            • Cali says:

              The same with the Antifa Berkeley employed professor who hid a Trump supporter from behind on the head using a bicycle lock as exposed yesterday on 4CHAN.
              Ask yourself the question: Are police officers marching with Antifa while covering their faces with the bandages like the Berkeley professor? It would answer why the police stood by watching as Antifa were beating up Trump/Milo supporters?!

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          • sunnydaze says:

            Yikes, good question, William. Didn’t even notice that first time I read the post!

            Guess Don doesn’t care about the black, Asian, Hispanic, etc etc who are pro Law Enforcement?

            I for one am GLAD there are Americans of all backgrounds united in this.

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            • Whites, blacks, browns, yellows, reds, all colors in a crayon box! Who uses crayons? Children!

              Don go get yourself straight before you comment here…this country is in peril and if you haven’t noticed the majority of Communist Liberals in this country, to use your term, are WHITE!!!

              You can’t love our Constitution if you hate people because of the flesh God wrapped them in!!!

              Find Jesus and YHWH!!!

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        • Clarissa says:

          Much of ANTIFA is white too, so the color angle doesn’t resonate as much as the attack on free speech. The tide is turning on that front, however. With Ann Coulter and Milo both planning events soon – and each event turning up the heat a bit more – the New Free Speech Movement is striking the beast in its heart. Thanks go to the patriots who are willing to take big risks in defense of American liberties.

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  2. Sorry, I am going to take the word of people who were actually there over the analysis of someone analyzing video after the fact. I think the vets that were there would be able to recognize the difference between an M-80 and a flash-bang. I sure as hell could.
    In fact, most flash-bangs I know of have a re-useable body that the actual replaceable pyro device goes into, so even after use the device body will still be lying on the ground, and there is no mistaking one of those with an M-80.

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  3. maiingankwe says:

    My heart is crying. This is really tearing me up inside to see this. Real police officers willing to do this to their country.

    An innocent may have easily had their life taken away, and it would’ve been permanent, we don’t come back from being dead. Once we are gone, we’re gone. The end.

    If one would’ve heard this as rumor, it would’ve been a bit difficult to believe. Police officers willing to go to these lengths for their bosses. Whose to say multiple lives couldn’t have been lost? I think our Angels were standing in the way, but what happens next time, or the time after that? Will we get so lucky time and time again? No, of course not, and Coulter will be there soon enough to speak. It will just be another chance for them to take.

    So yes, my heart is breaking. It is breaking for our country, for the lengths our leaders and police are willing to take, and for what? Trillions and trillions of dollars are at stake. But a life, a human life is worth more than that, its priceless, and any family will tell you that, especially if they are to lose their loved one this way.

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    • Daniel says:

      We have seen ALL jobs in California become politicized. Would it be such a stretch to realize that even the lowest levels of law enforcement have also been politicized and thus weaponized?

      This is the leftist mindset. They think it’s okay when they use it “for good.”

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      • dustycowpoke says:

        Good by their definition. This is so wrong on so many levels. Who knows why Janet Napalatano allows this but her Obama years…

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      • girlkansas says:

        The end justifies the means.

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      • freddiel says:

        I was just reading SD’s post about Venezuela. Many of the commenters pointed out the fact that the “police” had been politicized over there. It is a necessary first step to a complete takeover. This really should be investigated by the WH and nipped in the bud if true.

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        • BobinFL says:

          After seeing the deliberate inaction of the police as Trump supporters were brutally beaten, intimidated and harassed at what should be happy, peaceful rallies (see San Diego, Chicago etc.), it does not surprise me that the police in some locations are taking sides. What does surprise me is a police department taking physical/armed action (on the offence not on defense) against one side over another. This really beginning to look like Venezuela.
          Expect more of this unless offenders start spending some serious time behind bars.

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    • Tejas Rob says:

      One must remember, most police officers are union members.

      Union members = Democrat party thugs

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      • David says:

        I have to say, I find it refreshing to see some more serious skepticism and doubt about the police here on CTH. When I have criticized the police before on this site, I have had some posters reply to me that we must always obey cops and when I ask if they ordered you to do something immoral or illegal I get told that they would, never, ever do that. Glad to see video evidence can change peoples’ minds.

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  4. hugofitch1 says:

    Berkeley’s official municipal anthem.

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  5. trialbytruth says:

    Two points not an expert but I am not convinced.That said What was clear is professional malfeasance on the part of mayor and police chief.
    Europe has been dealing with this in the form of the black bloc for years (ineffectively I might ad)
    What is needed is a declaration by the AG declaring the AntiFa a criminal organization. No one should be able to cover their face unless medically necessary. That solves three problems the cowards of AntiFa, Bercas, and criminals avoiding cameras and face recognition.

    While were at it lets go after Soros as the funding source and his money to pay damages. Lets encourage Europe to do the same and put him and his family on a boat. Then when they are done we should recognize Russia’s right to extredite him and his boys. There I solved everything

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    • Daniel says:

      Here’s one thing we absolutely know:

      When the Trump supporters came, they were “relieved” believe law enforcement was very present and the LEOs disarmed everyone there. Then after they pulled out, THAT is when “antifa” came to play… and they were armed. To me, that’s an almost certainty the police were setting up the people to be victims. That tactical weapons would also be deployed doesn’t come as a big stretch to me.

      Every aspect of government in those areas of California are politicized and thus weaponized. We know this to be true. Many aspects of big business in California are also politicized and have influence over government in California.

      I know you don’t want to believe that the police could be corrupt and yet we have ample indications that this is likely to be the case given that such screening would likely happen from day one. But we’ve seen the US Federal government completely weaponized already. What precisely is your issue of not wanting to believe a thing?

      That is an emotional response when you should be looking at what we know and basing your view on a likelihood of something being the case based on available evidence which includes what we have seen or witnessed in the past and present in other areas.

      And when we’ve seen police complying with orders to stand down while watching innocent people get beaten and even killed? Sorry, but it’s harder to believe they are innocent than it is to believe they are guilty of criminal conduct given their willingness to allow crime to happen.

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      • snarkybeach says:

        There is a Reddit posting from ” a Berkeley PD insider” that stated the BPD are not allowed to arrest the antifa scum (their words) nor are they allowed to help innocent bystanders/Trump supporters. The orders come from the mayor and the top brass.

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      • sunnydaze says:

        Daniel, remember at one of the Trump Rallies when cops redirected rally goers to walk thru violent protestors? Lot of Trump peeps got beat up.

        Another case of cops setting people up.

        Think it was Minneapolis but not sure.

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          • sunnydaze says:

            I’m thinking it was the one in downtown Minn. where it was a pretty conservative older crowd gathering for a fundraiser or something.

            The cops really let the Dem Criminals open a can of whoop a$$ on the Trump supporters and there’s footage of the rioters getting into the convention center and younger Trump supporters protecting older T supporters from the Dem. Criminals.

            Cops refused to protect. Disgusting.

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          • sunnydaze says:

            Whoops. maybe it *was* San Jose. See post farther down.

            Minn. cops definitely provided the assaulters cover when they were allowed into the Lobby to beat people up tho.

            Liberal city= Trouble.

            Thank God I left Seattle.

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            • OjibweWoman says:

              Hello sunnydaze!

              Yes. You are correct that it did happen in MPLS. It wasn’t a rally though. It was an event for donors to Trump’s campaign. Betsy Hodges, the hijab wearing mayor of MPLS told the police to not intervene and attendees weren’t allowed to use any other exit. Leftists were able to spit, berate, harass and steal hats and signs with impunity. Law enforcement could only intervene if an actual physical assault was in progress, but that didn’t extend to sign stealing or taking hats or spitting.

              Here’s a link and a quote to the local paper about the harassment:
              “The demonstrators who harassed donors were not present earlier on, when the protest was peaceful. Many in the later group hid their faces behind scarves.

              Minneapolis police spokeswoman Sgt. Catherine Michal said there were no arrests and no reported injuries.

              There was, however, minor damage, including graffiti on the walls of the Convention Center, and officers had to escort Trump supporters in and out of the lobby because they were being harshly confronted, Michal said.”
              http://www.startribune.com/ahead-of-visit-democrats-bash-trump-on-immigration-tax-records/390721831/

              Youtube Twin Cities report referring to protestors spitting on and chasing Trump donors.

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      • Orygun says:

        Never forget that the Big Zero along with Bush has militarized the Federal agencies. At one time I worked for the BLM and all the enforcement and patrols were done by the local Sheriffs Office. It was a win win situation as it helped local law enforcement with budgetary woes and it relieved the BLM from having to train officers.
        The government never had the means to oppress its citizens until now under the guise of Terrorism we have a fully militarized Federal bureaucracy.

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      • Cali says:

        @Daniel: Absolutely correct!
        Looking at the antifa boards after the past clash with Trump supporters it is clear that they are surprised about facing an opposing strength of Trump supporters while getting their a$$es whooped. There next move appears to be to use weapons and other injury inflicting means in their next clash with Trump supporters.
        One of the antifa thugs was unmasked by 4CHAN as he used a bicycle lock to hit a Trump supporter from behind on his head causing serious injuries. The professor is employed at Berkeley yet marches as antifa thugs while covering his face with a bandana. Think about that!

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  6. gopher golfer says:

    CBS News footage from a helicopter shows another view of the two-stage bang possibly due to a concussion grenade. Also, in the last few seconds it shows a close up of the men on the roof. Even the reporter’s narration is chillingly consistent with police trying to cause violent conflict.

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  7. Nick says:

    This isn’t so convincing but I have seen videos of police going into crowds like this and stirring up trouble. However, the main reason they do it is so they can then have an excuse to disperse the crowd and clear the area. In this case however, I saw video that the police were asked to stand down so it appears that stirring things up wasn’t their main goal. This is more worry sum as that would mean that they were in fact against the trump supporters and for the so called “antifa” who ironically are the fascists. At minimum this deserves to be investigated at the AG

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      See – I think the goal WAS stirring it up, but WITHOUT LOOKING LIKE IT. And that is pure “top-down” BS, like it always is with these commies. That’s why you have angry beat cops who want to do their jobs doing nothing, and hidden swat types carrying out “half-missions” of crowd dispersal that turn into crowd agitation. Who knows what they were told, or what they thought they were doing, or why they think things “failed”. Everything was intended to fail as it did, except there wasn’t enough blood, really to effectively cancel Ann’s speech and send Berkeley into some kind of eternal huddle on “controversial speakers”. Which is what I think the goal was.

      The left is good at playing complex games where nobody really knows what the other guy is doing. Only the central plotters know the whole plan. The other people are just doing their parts and looking at the overall fail. Beat cops, SWAT, the chief, the school administrators, Antifa – they’re all being manipulated. Even the people who manipulate them don’t know the whole plan.

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      • Tonawanda says:

        I have some personal hands-on experience opposing these leftist “protests” and have seen the sophistication. Nothing is spontaneous although it is made to appear so. The ostensible goal (for example, “antifascism”) is not the real goal, or even a relevant consideration.

        Kent State is the pinnacle of success but even Moldylocks is a success for them.

        I believe physical confrontation is necessary but with the understanding that physical confrontation is what is being sought on their terms for their reasons. Lashing out is what they are looking for.

        Confrontation needs to be done not on their terms but always with the goal of outflanking and sowing unexpected punishment (however that is defined).

        In 2017 we have reached the point where intelligent physical opposition is possible. Whether the right tactics and organization are used remain to be seen, but things look promising.

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        • Trent Telenko says:

          Bring drones to provide video over watch of California PD’s at any Berkeley type event.

          The legal liability implications of actions like the Berkeley PD took are incredible, and live streamed drone video overwatching police SWAT units will have a deterrent effect for institutional bad actors.

          The Drone will have to modified and hardened against common jammers available to SWAT units.

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          Interesting thoughts. Thanks for that!

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      • vidlbis says:

        This right here is spot on.

        Dude My hat is tipped to you. (I literally did that by the way)

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  8. Beverly says:

    You can’t tell from these videos who is doing what, nor in what direction the flashbangs are flying. Also, cops with a mob scene on their hands will typically lob in smoke rockets to get everyone to disperse.

    I would say, going forward, if they’re worried about what the cops on the roofs are up to, they should detail a couple of guys to just film them and nothing else, just in case. Ditto the cops on the ground. But the Black Bloc thugs are plenty violent and hateful enough to be throwing whatever they can find on the black market, so I wouldn’t jump to conclusions. Bad enough that the cops in Leftwing-run cities are told to stand back and let the thugs run riot.

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    • Tom W says:

      makes sense. too early to call if it was cops or black market product in wrong hands

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    • trialbytruth says:

      Fireworks are not fireworks any more we talk about m 80 as the boss but depending on your state ( and antifa has folks everywhere) Military grade fireworks the kinds citys use are available without permits. The supposed flash bang had a lot of burning debri indicating a plastic or paper case I dont thin flash bangs are designed as incendiary devices …. well there was Waco,

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  9. Gil says:

    Theres a lot wrong here.

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  10. People larping in the streets are just lower class versions of the same two sides of the UniParty coin.

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    • paris23 says:

      Not at all. The Uni-Party sits in seats of power in DC, sharing virtually indistinguishable goals and policies for their own power and profit and that of their donors. On the streets we had brainwashed fascists – deceived, propagandized children, who think communism is utopia – versus free-speech liberty advocates who were under physical assault.

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  11. I think the problem here is everyone thinks either the Antifa was tossing M80’s at Trump Supporters OR the cops were firing flashbangs at the Trump supporters. In fact, both are. It is not a matter of either/or it is matter of both sides attacking Trump supporters. Collusion.

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  12. SPMI says:

    ??????????????????

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  13. osage44 says:

    The Last Refuge should be ashamed for perpetrating anti-Police conspiracy theories dreamed up by the notorious crank, Thomas Wictor. This creep specializes in making outrageous claims based on his viewing of You Tube videos. They never pan out. Whatever credibility sundance had is just about gone.

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    • paris23 says:

      This is Berkeley we are talking about here. These people are enemies of America. Leftist cities have been making war on Trump supporters for many months. I already read that the Berkeley police encircled the Trump supporters with Antifa lunatics and then walked away and left them to be assaulted. It is not in any way outrageous to think they might have gone to greater lengths to provoke violence.

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    • USMCLt says:

      One of my favorite Reagan aphorisms is “trust, but verify”. We should apply this sage advice to all things government, even our own government at ALL levels.

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    • LEET says:

      Hmmmm….not so far fetched. You are aware of the San Jose Trump rally where the police did stand down and allowed innocent people to be terrorized by the anti-Trump protestors. Yeah, the San Jose police Dept. Is being sued for leading Trump supporters directly into the anti-Trump protesters and then doing nothing when the Trump supporters were attacked by the thugs. All police are not angels. You can support police in general without turning a blind and ignorant eye to the fact that there are possibly some problems with corruption/bad law enforcement.

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      • mimbler says:

        Yes, exactly. I was going to bring this one up. The police actually herded the trump supporters the long way around to the parking, so they would have to run the gauntlet of the lib protestors, and then then police stood down and didn’t protect them.

        I am usually very pro police, but these California police seem to be a totally different animal,
        Mike

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    • SteveFrench says:

      “Whatever credibility sundance had is just about gone.”

      LOL. $0.10 has been deposited in your account

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    • Out: Concern trolling.

      In: Outrage trolling!

      David Brock, you are a genius!

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    • Kay says:

      So, these incidents didn’t happen, they happened differently, the police where really there and helping, you disagree with the analysis, or ?
      “They never pan out”
      Maybe this is a first…because he is not the only one to show this. Plus there is the ‘if’ in “if this happened….” Unless you’re paid to read/post this site…you can go elsewhere.
      BTW: I’m not anti-peace officer….I’m anti-government paid thugs

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  14. wolfmoon1776 says:

    I’m looking at the bigger picture. The actions were wrong for keeping it peaceful. They wanted it to boil over. It’s even apparent from the videos. The beat cops were angry about being held back and questioned by reporters (see those videos). The crowds were egged into violence by “crowd control” when not needed (see the videos). It’s all very subtle, but it’s clear.

    Now ask – what’s the purpose? I think it’s the same pattern as the Trump rallies – incite plus stand-down – to try to create a meme of “speech causes violence”. AKA HATE SPEECH.

    I think they wanted stronger free speech control precedent based on violence, just like they tried to shut down Trump rallies (free speech) based on ginned up violence. Ann’s upcoming talk was part of that.

    It’s all about shutting down speech. They are not on the defensive on free speech. They are on the offensive. They are baiting us in.

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  15. David says:

    2 seconds of internet searching can show you how to make all those devices. I’m pretty sure Berkley is full of more than a couple smart kids that played with home made explosives in their lives.

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  16. magaskook says:

    Hold on there folks……let’s not get ahead of ourselves. I do not see any proof or eveidece here that the police tossed the “explosive devices” and we shouldn’t be implying it or putting it in a misleading headline. I was just going to refer this site to a young liberal/centrist as a good objective source of information. This piece would have been embarrassing to me had it been the first item read. There is plenty to talk about and digest without doing fake or misleading headlines or narratives. Disappointed…we can do better.

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    • LEET says:

      Magaskook: Really??!! I am pretty sure Sundance stated a couple of times, “if true”. Did you not see that? In any event, I would have zero qualms about sending someone searching for truth to this website.

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      • magaskook says:

        I saw the “if” true. That being said, I respect this site for what it usually is,factually correct. If I’m going to stick my nose into a debate, I don’t want to end up with egg on my face….I want the truth….not if’s.
        Sundance has given me great ammo to fight the good fight and no doubt, Speculation is necessary at times , but this article does not further the cause….it’s sensational and not why I come to the treehouse. If I want that a can go to Drudge.
        Furthermore I think it’s a disservice to all the good police officers in the area. If it turns out to be true, so be it…nail them, but Police are getting a lot of unfair attention and accusations these days and we don’t need fan the flames from the right…..the left is going a good enough job if that.

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        • freddiel says:

          There will be no more “ifs” and it will go a long way to protecting our men and women in blue if the WH heads up an investigation into these allegations. The majority of Americans DO support our police but the police also must speak up and protect their reputations and the people’s trust if they are being led to do things that are wrong.

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        • LEET says:

          Magaskook: Of course there are excellent police that do their job and enforce the law and protect citizens HOWEVER, I for one am sick of the “above reproach” pass many are giving police. Ferguson type events are swinging the pendulum the other way where people think any time something bad comes out about the police it is labeled law enforcement bashing. The San Jose police department is being sued because they stood by and allowed Trump supporters to be terrorized after a Trump rally. There were MANY eyewitnesses to this. The police actually directed those leaving the rally into the angry mob of protestors and allowed them to be attacked. There have many NUMEROUS reports that the police did nothing to help the Trump supporters last weekend and also previously when Milo’s speech was protested. This is not just wild speculation or sensationalized accusations. It needs to be investigated.

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          • magaskook says:

            I agree that they were told to stand down and “standing down” is not always a passive act. The results of standing down can be disastrous and lead to loss of life.
            My objection to this is and still is, I don’t see any evidence that the Police tossed the grenades.
            Their is enough that we know For Sure to discuss without speculating on what we don’t know, For Sure.

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        • TimeIsNow says:

          Mkook,
          It was not SPECULATION, as it was not even an accusation, …it was a reasonable call for a legit investigation, there are more than enough dots connect to ask for that!

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    • sundance says:

      This is interesting:

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      • perpetuaofcarthage says:

        Do we have close-ups of the roof to see if the men there are police?

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      • TJ says:

        Sounds like one of the methods used during COINTELPRO.

        The FBI targetted the KKK, Communists, Black Panthers, sometimes pitting them against each other to create a strategy of tension. It was investigated by Senator Frank Church, “The Church Committee”.

        To be fair, anyone, a political group, foreign espionage, corrupt insiders, organized crime, or oligarchical collective could initiate this “agitprop”.


        COunter INTELligence PROgram

        4. Illegal force: The FBI conspired with local police departments to threaten dissidents; to conduct illegal break-ins in order to search dissident homes; and to commit vandalism, assaults, beatings and assassinations.[41] The object was to frighten or eliminate dissidents and disrupt their movements.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#Post-COINTELPRO_operations

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  17. MfM says:

    I’m looking at the bigger picture, while it matters if the police are involved, what can be proved?

    What is clear? The police aren’t controlling the violence at the demonstrations. It doesn’t have to be proved. They are letting the mob rule.

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  18. litlbit2 says:

    Sooner or later, there will be a proven connection between Soros and like kind people and organization promoting violence and chaos here and othe countries through a criminal process.

    The means now exists to return life back to law abiding folks as the Trump administration also gives many world leaders the courage to stand up and enforce the task of protecting the populace.

    We have a real Leader President Trump and His administration.

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  19. danield49 says:

    Scratching my head on this post. Very sketchy claim.

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      SD is simply clear-channeling Wictor’s sketchy question that needs to be asked more widely. It has already ginned up one alleged PD whistle-blower statement, and lots more photographic evidence. Eventually, it will hit gold, silver, or platinum. It also helps explain the larger context, even if it was AntiFa. Ann Coulter is central to this, IMO. The problem is, everybody needs to ask the right question – who set up the violence to happen? – and as far up the chain as the answer will go.

      Somebody has already stated that the explosions may include BOTH M80’s and flash-bangs. That actually sounds more likely. And it may be that not only were beat cops kept back – the SWAT guys (if they fired bangs and smoke) may have been too far back to be accurate. Again, that is basically the result of malicious negligence. Almost as bad as planned malice.

      Wictor is learning from Trump. Attack with truth grenades when you know you will be close, because you don’t have to be exact. In fact, exact isn’t as good as just beyond reach, because the enemy will flail to disarm and blow their cover.

      Personally, I think Wictor is manning up to save his #MoldyMuse, but whatever. It’s going in the right direction to get the truth. 😉

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  20. jeans2nd says:

    Let us recall some history, shall we?

    “President Nixon was pushed to the point of physical and emotional collapse and he promptly withdrew his US military invasion of Cambodia. The tide of public opinion shifted against the war in Vietnam. The historical impact of Kent State and the national student strike of May, 1970, remains recognized as crucial in US history.”
    From http://alancanfora.com/kentstate1970historicalimpact.html

    The 4 May 1970 incident was another Very Fake News fictionaldrama, created and maintained by the New York branch of the U.S. Ministry of Propoganda.

    What the Millenials have been taught in schools is LIES LIES LIES.

    We live here. We were there. I personally was physically attacked while a KSU student living in the KSU Tri-Towers at the time. Being way too young to even be at Kent State, I was an easy mark for the communist anarchists.

    News flash for our Very Fake News – President Trump is NOT Richard Nixon. And we National Guard supporters are still here. Our friends and relatives are in Berkely. You have been warned.
    Comfortably numb.
    Expect US.

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    • G. Combs says:

      A friend was at the Kent State Riot. He was going on the GI bill, well over 21 yrs old with a wife and 2 kids. His wife could vote but as a full time student the new town ordinance prevented him from voting. According to my friend this removal of the voting rights of vietnam vets going to school at Kent was the actual reason for the protest.

      Fast forward and the Yellow Stream Media had film footage of the ‘ Vietnam War Riot’ only Big Ten College campus. I was on campus from 7:00AM until 5:00 PM…

      ****************************************************************
      THERE WAS NO RIOT. It was a complete LIE to provide cover — by showing those violent rioting students — for the killing of students at Kent State.
      ****************************************************************

      I have never believed the MSM since.

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  21. tinkerthinker2 says:

    Wow! Maybe it’s just me but I see a pattern…in all these world wide ‘revolutions’, like they were all organized by the same entity…(except Iran which I think was the only real one)..

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  22. duane harbeson says:

    SO the POLICE attack the Trump supporters…and……this surprises WHO….

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    • sunnydaze says:

      Doesn’t surprise me at all.

      Not in these Dem-controlled cities anyway.

      It’s not a very far step from refusing to protect to outright engaging.

      We all know that they were, in fact, in “refusing to protect” mode for the past few years.

      Now, where I live, I would be SHOCKED if this BS and outright Criminality happened.

      Conservative area here.

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  23. RodS says:

    I think the video documentary does a good analysis showing that the smoke and sonic grenades are likely of the type used by law enforcement. However, law enforcement does not manufacture them; they BUY them.

    I find it infinitely more probable that these devices were purchased by the group organizing these national protests than that an entire police department has been subverted into riot-instigating thugs. Remember, just a few short months ago, men in blue were being hunted by perpetrators more closely aligned with those wearing masks than those wearing MEGA caps.

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    • mimbler says:

      I’d suggest reading the couple of comments above about the San Jose incident that IMHO show an entire police department has indeed been subverted into riot supporting thugs,
      Mike

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    • TimeIsNow says:

      Except, i remember…the big smile on the face of the female Police Chief taken during the Berkeley MILO riots, taken right during the the height of the rioters burning and destruction.

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      • TimeIsNow says:

        RodS,

        You need to learn about “convergence” and how the Left infiltrates, then takes over complete organizations…..The Berkeley police are likely totally converged Marxists. All opposition was long ago gotten rid of or retired.

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  24. shadowcole says:

    I think it’s time that those Trump supporters start infiltrating Antifa on the ground, dress like them and when they show up move with them and when they leave, leave with them, find out who they are. Maybe even beat up some Antifa while their there, especially for the cameras, no one will know who they are because they can cover their faces, it will look like Antifa is turning on itself.

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  25. Mystery comment says:

    I highly doubt the police were using their own munitions, unless they had agents imbedded in antifa. The explosions were constant and the devices were hand thrown, the first even were landing around police doing an arrest. Lauren Southern also had one bounce off her helmet. I have looked at the video and while the smoke and explosions look less like m80s, they don’t look and sound as powerful as police stun grenades. Also they didn’t need the smoke grenade to cause violence, two Trump people were seriously hurt and bleeding on the line minutes before the grenade. See video of the berkeley bicycle lock attack and another guy had a lot of blood come from his head. Lots of chaotic fighting on both sides. The police walked away early on so the whoever the culperits were they were embedded with Antifa

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  26. Jesse W says:

    Come on guys, seriously? Where is your cynicism? Some guy posts a couple videos making allegations that frankly, don’t add up. I’ve seen videos of people at the riot loading fireworks into glass bottles and throwing them into the crowd.

    I’ve been a cop for 14 years. I was on the SWAT team, a marksman on the team. Puting people on rooftops for a birds eye view is a smart move of the police commanders. (Have we forgotten Dallas already) Those videos dont show a police officer shooting into a crowd. They show police officers watching the crowd.
    Secondly, I’ve used flash bang devices and smoke grenades. Those “explosions” aren’t flash bangs. The flash bang is much louder, and doesn’t throw sparks. There is a reusable body of the flash bang that no one thought to video or take a picture of? Think it through…
    To me, it appears the maker of this video is trying to cast blame away from the away from the actions of the violent left, and instead cast their actions on the police. IF, the police did use special munitions on a crowd of “peaceful” protestors, then they should answer for their actions.

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    • Bob Thoms says:

      I agree with you Jesse W.

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    • Gil says:

      Thanks. LEO knows this doesnt add up. No LEO opinion from SD here and a big dogpile onto all LEO resulted. I know CTH wants to get people thinking, but without LEO input, this is conjecture. Having said that, you know the higher the food chain in LEO, the more political it gets.

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      • sunnydaze says:

        I think everyone here knows it’s just conjecture at this point.

        But I really don’t get why some would think it’s “inconceivable”.

        Also, Antifa wears masks and covers identity. Really easy for cops to join in with them.

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        • magaskook says:

          I’m not saying it’s inconceivable I’m just saying let’s not take the low road! I have found this site to be the most factual and responsible for a thinking conservative and I don’t want it to go where Drudge has. There is more than enough facts to discuss, expose and debate….without Unecesarry sensational speculation.

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      • TimeIsNow says:

        The call is for an INVESTIGATION, there have been NO ACCUSATIONS MADE HERE.

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      • Coldeadhands says:

        San Jose, Chicago, Minneapolis. You’re LEO. You explain it.

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    • perpetuaofcarthage says:

      Would you mind sharing the videos of people loading m-80s in to bottles?

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    • magaskook says:

      Agree

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  27. LibertyVibe says:

    We know for a fact that the police “relieved” the Trump supporters of any defense items, and they did nothing to help them once the violence started. Those two things alone are enough to prove a massive dereliction of duty.

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    • oldiadguy says:

      “We know for a fact that the police “relieved” the Trump supporters of any defense items”

      That’s odd, in the videos I watched I saw the Trump supporters wearing all sorts of helmets, (Including a Nazis replica helmet) and assorted body armor. The Trump supporters did pretty well without any of those defense items you spoke of.

      I agree the police should have done more to prevent the violence and once it started, moved to stop it. However, it appears that the Antifas who started the violence lost big time and looking at the comments on their forums, they know it.

      As far as dereliction of duty, that falls on the Mayor and the Chief of Police. The rank and file officers obtain their police authority from the agency they work for and if they act outside (against orders) of that authority, they loose their legal authority for their actions and accept all legal liability for said actions.

      Take Care

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      • LibertyVibe says:

        The Trump supporters were relieved of their weapons. The Antifa’s were allowed to keep theirs. Also, The police are not held accountable to the law, when those above them (judges, Governors) have no respect for it.

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          Note this subtle point, which is Wictor’s ace. He’s basically forcing the police and the city to choose which crime they want to plead guilty to. They either fired the rounds themselves, which is moderately irresponsible, or they disarmed the Trump supporters and let the leftist thugs keep their arms, which is reason to send in the DOJ.

          Wictor is forcing the Berkeley PD, and their leftist masters, into a classic losing dilemma.

          BAD COP WICTOR. Telling the accessory that he is getting booked for the crime, because “we know you did it.”

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          • TimeIsNow says:

            ^^^THIS^^^

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          • oldiadguy says:

            I have to disagree wolfmoon1776. LibertyVibe was complaining just above that the police were disarming the Trump supporters. (I read a couple days ago that the police confiscated four American flags attached to iron pipes from the Trump folks and around 30 or more iron pipe supported flags from the Antifa folks) The police were involved up till the time the explosions started to go off around them. At this time the police departed and left the two sides to their own devices.

            I wasn’t there, but I’m guessing that while checking the “toys” both sides brought to a peaceful demonstration, the police figured this was going to be more of a rumble than a peaceful event. When the explosions went off near the police endangering their safety, a decision was made to pull back and let the two sides square off. I believe they would call this tactic disengagement.

            I’m also guessing from the political persuasion of the Mayor and the Police Chief, they assumed that the Antifa forces would win the day and drive the evil Trump supporters from their fair city.

            However, the rank and file street cops, who have to put up with these Antifa knuckleheads on a regular basis, probably wished for a different result. The street level cops that were initially on the scene, sized up the “security force” guys that had arrived to protect the Trump folks and figured the results were going to be than the previous encounter.

            My guess that after sizing up the Trump defenders, the street cops had a pretty good idea on how the “event” was going to turn out, with the Antifa folks getting their axxs kicked and put into full retreat. This was a win (revenge) for the Trump supporters and a vicarious win for the street cops. The only loosers I see were the Antifa folks, the Mayor and the Police Chief.

            I’m also guessing, knowing cops as I do, that after shift that day, more than a few of the street cops were toasting the Trump folks for thumping the Antifa knuckleheads, something they would have never been allowed to do.

            wolfmoon1776 I believe you’ve seen some of my prior posts on police related matters and know of my background and my point of view about police misconduct. If I saw any police misconduct in the photos or videos referenced by Wictor, I would not be shy to point out and condemn the officer(s) actions.

            However, I saw nothing in either the photos or videos to substantiate Wictor’s claims. Furthermore, no physical evidence (spent canisters) have been recovered from the scene. Also, in a number of cases, the Trump team identified the perpetrators of the (ued)attacks and went after them. Outside of Wictor’s accusations, I haven’t heard any of the many participants make those claims prior to Wictor’s announcement.

            I did not do a through background check on Wictor, but the brief online search I did conduct lead me to question Wictor’s credibility. Also, whenever I receive a complaint from a sketchy guy that looks like the Unabomber, I’m usually a little more than.

            One last thing. I wish Sundance had not posted this article as it has caused some unnecessary angst among some here at the Treehouse. There is really nothing in Wictor’s “evidence” to remotely substantiate the claim of LEO’s being involved in throwing smoke bombs or flash bangs at the Trump folks, unless you believe in Wictor’s ability to interpret smoke signals.

            Take care and have a great weekend

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      • magaskook says:

        Agree

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  28. I do think the Justice Dept. needs to open an investigation into the Berkeley Police Dept and strip them of all federal funding until they start enforcing the laws and protecting all citizens equally. I don’t know about the munitions stuff, but the police just standing by and watching people getting beat up is not ok.

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  29. DaninMD says:

    Is it possible that police are colluding? Yes. But that is an extraordinary claim backed by almost no evidence. Police were polled as supporting Trump at an 84% rate in September, and this was before Trump’s rally at the end.

    Among police, Trump was at 84%, Hillary was at 8% and Gary Johnson was at 5%. Even assuming Berkeley police are more left-leaning than other police, I find the premise of this post implausible.

    http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2016/09/the-2016-police-presidential-poll.aspx

    I am a dedicated Trump supporter who had a hard time getting through Nov. 8th because I was so anxious and emotionally spent from effort. All I could do was pray and block out the world. And then I was on calls into the night rejoicing with like minded people I had worked with. In short, not a troll.

    But the evidence of this video is thin, thin, thin. Just a few puffs of smoke actually. I have seen puffs of smoke like that coming off of publicly purchasable fireworks every 4th of July.

    Some actual evidence that would be more convincing:
    – Casings on the ground of police hardware
    – Footage of police throwing something

    This theorizing on such scant evidence takes away from the real problem. I don’t think the rank and file are the problem. They take their orders from the mayor. If they are told that any overreach will be prosecuted, then they will stand down.

    Berkeley mayor Jesse Arreguin is a far-left extremist who hates Trump. He should be the target here. Read this and tell me you don’t agree.
    http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Berkeley-Mayor-Backs-Police-Response-to-Violence-at-Rally-419676074.html

    In any event, the police *did* arrest a number of antifa. They were ordered to be ‘nonagressive’ and that’s what they did. Keep the heat on political leadership; don’t lose focus.

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  30. Bob Thoms says:

    President Trump should issue orders deploying National Guard troops to protect free speech rights……………….the optics would be great! A complete take over of the left’s talking points!

    Do It Mr. President.

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  31. tommyd22 says:

    The leftist pussy’s will escalate this until someone is killed or seriously injured, then they will blame the right.. That’s just how they operate..

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  32. freddy says:

    The best part was wtaching the dreadlock babe getting clocked. She went down like a fly…The look on her face was priceless.. If you can’t conclede the cops were in on this than you need a nap. Pretty clear. The explosions will be revealed but as far as the cops. Just the look on their faces said it all…………They know all these antifa punks from Oakland and where do they allow a contingent of black clad stick wielding thugs with masks to assemble on a peaceful protest…My verdict is guilty.. This is a Loretta Lynch PD overtaken by leftists….

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  33. Jimmy Jack says:

    I found out about Wictor from a commenter her and I’ve enjoyed his TL ever since.

    This story is unbelievable – in that I am astounded this is happening. Trump and Sessions have got to stop this.

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  34. perpetuaofcarthage says:

    How can we tell the difference between plain clothes police using munitions issued by the police and regular people on the roof using police grade munitions they bought somewhere?
    Also, the video doesn’t show us what it looks like when an m-80 is placed in a bottle. Does that make a difference? We have been told that antifa was putting the m-80’s into bottles.

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  35. Laura Wesselmann says:

    Deploy the national guard. Put the Berkeley police and mayor under house arrest. Justice Department investigation now.

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  36. Uncle Max says:

    It makes no sense though. Riots are by definition hard to control. I can’t tolerate conspiracy theories where cops are “the problem”. Vid of antifata throwing M80’s into crowd.

    The Berkley Police would surely have a whistleblower who would be talking if this kind of crap was “policy”. They know everything is being filmed,…. why in the world would police think to instigate a riot or create chaos? 2 week rule or something should apply here.. IMO

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  37. Ziiggii says:

    did you know Berkley just got a new PD Chief yesterday?

    curious?

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  38. Ziiggii says:

    Mayor Jesse Arreguín held a forum on “Progressive Mayorship” at the Free Speech Movement Café on Monday night, covering topics including freedom of speech, violent protests and the role of Berkeley as a progressive city under the Trump administration.

    Arreguín began the event by first affirming his commitment to freedom of speech in light of the violent rallies in the city Saturday, one of several violent outbursts in Berkeley this year. He said he was committed to respecting the right of everyone to peacefully express their opinions, whatever they are, yet he stressed the importance of public safety.

    “Public safety is our top priority,” Arreguín said. “And that actually, I believe, takes precedence over freedom of speech.”

    http://www.dailycal.org/2017/04/18/mayor-jesse-arreguin-speaks-progressivism-free-speech-free-speech-movement-cafe/

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  39. Ziiggii says:

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  40. Ziiggii says:

    Berkeley Mayor Jesse Arreguin, who many have speculated was behind stand down orders to police during recent riots in the city, is a member of the Facebook group of far left militant organization, By Any Means Necessary (BAMN).

    https://wearechange.org/berkeley-mayor-member-militant-leftist-group-orchestrates-riots/

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    • sunnydaze says:

      No wonder she felt safe going on TV for a national interview. (Tucker)

      Thought it was weird at the time.

      Don’t think any of the Weather Underground would have given a TV Interview back in the day.

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  41. Ziiggii says:

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  42. sunnydaze says:

    Here’s the link for the BPD insider complaining about BPD:

    https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/121488874

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  43. DaninMD says:

    Focus on the mayor who ordered the cops to stand down, not the cops.

    Gavin tweeted a screencap that seems to show that the Mayor of Berkeley is a member of BAMN on Facebook, which is antifa. Cute.

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  44. AnnS says:

    Just read this article from The Ralph Retort”
    “SURPRISE (NOT): Berkeley Mayor Jesse Arreguin is a Member of a Violent Left-Wing Militant Group”

    http://theralphretort.com/surprise-not-berkeleys-mayor-member-violent-left-wing-militant-group-4021017/

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  45. kenramsey says:

    I don’t know what those explosives were and I’m no expert, but I have set off M80s. I was looking forward to the day when I could set some off, because I’d heard a lot about them but never had the opportunity. So I was very excited when I was able to get my hands on a bunch of them.

    I was disappointed, they weren’t as powerful as I was led to believe. I figured most of what I’d heard before were tall tales. They were only alright, nothing special. Many of those explosives at Berkeley don’t seem like M80s AT ALL. Especially the one thrown into the crowd on the grass field, the one where they say, “M80! M80! Antifa threw a M80!” in the video. From the video of it flying in, it looks a heckuva lot bigger than a M80. Also when it exploded there was pronounced deep concussion you could hear. I never heard that kind of concussion from my M80 experiments. It’s not there at all. It also threw off a pretty significant smoke plume larger than a M80 would.

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  46. sobriquet4u says:

    Kudos to Auburn University Police…”Take your mask off or be arrested”!

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  47. navysquid says:

    I may have missed it in the above comments, but THIS is why Madison, Jefferson, et al included a Second Amendment in our Constitution! Think about it…govt’s force law-abiding citizens into NOT carrying a weapon for their protection then when govt needs to “round up rowdy protestors” all the more easier to do with unarmed citizens relying on the very police they thought were there to protect them.

    The 2A was meant for you and I to be able to stay in or leave our house and have the NATURAL RIGHT to protect our person and family ANYWHERE we go in these United States. We as a people have allowed our Fed Govt to take away control of States rights, individual rights, etc…I wonder if Jefferson were to rise from his grave and saw what we call America today he would want to round up another body of people for another Revolution!

    IF, IF this is true that police were “allowed” to engage in this activity then some heavy investigations need to be looked at…The law needs to be enforced!

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  48. RuckusTom says:

    See the pictures and videos of the San Jose protest where the woman Trump supporter got egged and several Trump supporters were attacked where the po-po just stood around with their thumbs up their backsides and let it happen.

    These are your public union employees that you’re taxes are paying for.

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    • wheatietoo says:

      Well…not *all* of them, thankfully.

      These things are happening in cities that have uber-leftist mayors.

      San Jose, for example, has a La Raza member for it’s mayor.
      The chief of police there is also La Raza.

      I’m not saying that there aren’t some corrupted cops out there…but the corruption usually starts at the top, with the mayors.

      Last I heard, there is a lawsuit against the San Jose mayor, filed by the victims/Trump supporters who were beaten & brutalized after the Trump rally.
      Which is great.

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  49. I support police who are Oathkeepers, all others are questionable IMHO. That being said, we are talking about California law enforcement. How about a trip down memory lane with the CHP helping out in the aftermath of Katrina. BTW: Nothing happened to these “fine” officers.

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