March 8th – 2017 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #48

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1,269 Responses to March 8th – 2017 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #48

  1. David says:

    Does the President have the power to hire New Department Staff placed into an independent investigations agency to investigate the CIA/FBI and NSA? Rudy Giiuliani would be perfect to head the investigation agency. Hire several thousand-high level system analyst and Attorneys. They would have top level clearance and complete immediate access to all systems. I guess it would be asking too much to request all current employees of the CIA/FBI and NSA to comply to questions asked by Attorneys under Oath. Extreme Measures would be explained as a result of sedition and treason which is a direct threat to the United States, it Citizens and the Constitution.

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    • Ray Titus says:

      I think that most likely they’d use the Inspector General to do an investigation at least initially. They could probably go to a special prosecutor so it would be outside the DOJ.

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      • David says:

        Thank You. There is so much corruption/politics/globalism and maybe 90% of the government do not want change (Hillary People). It will take an army to drain the swamp. Maybe if Session and Rudy Giuliani investigate the CIA/NSA and have Session and Chris Christie investigate the Clinton Foundation and Hillary’s Emails.

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    • Peter says:

      Yea. It’s thinking like this that get some us all something we can believe in – democrats owning the healthcare issue.

      Conservatives need to wake up. There is no such thing as full repeal, the votes are not there.

      Losers. We are such losers. We can’t see the forest through the trees and wonder why the Dems win on social issues over and over again.

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      • Oldschool says:

        Read SD explanation, more than once. I understand. I understand. I understand. I am just not in favor of the amendment, do not believe we will successfully pass 3 phases and that is NOT acceptable to get stuck in phase 1. It’s lousy. I don’t know if the house, through budget can defund it to end it, but they always threatened to do that. If they cannot do that, then let it crash and burn on it’s own.
        We may differ on our positions, but please do not take the obama approach that we just don’t understand. It is belittling.

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        • All of GOP ran on a promise to repeal & replace. Remember that was one of the big criticisms of Trump early on in the primary, he wouldn’t repeal & replace. We didn’t buy it because we knew the politicians & media were wolf in sheep’s clothing.

          Trump wants a repeal & replace, the GOPe leadership doesn’t. New legislation provides teeth. Sec. Price will work with what comes to his desk, but what about after 8 or 12 or 16 years?

          Trump can sell a conservative HC plan better than anyone. Why not get a vote on the conservative plan in the Senate and put the Dems on the defensive. We have all the momentum & have 12 winnable senate seats up for election in 2018. The democrats are in complete collapse right now and the people have woken up to the swamp in Washington. We can get the crappy HC law passed, but it will be the HC equivalent to “No Child Left Behind.”

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        • cjzak says:

          Why would you think our President, who made clear his feelings and intent on Ocare all through the campaign and beyond, would not make sure all 3 phases, plus any adjustments as we go along, would not be followed through and implemented? There are very specific reasons why the process needs to go the way it’s going and they have been explained quite thoroughly. I am pretty sure it will be a good law when finished.

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      • Pam says:

        Exactly. We need 60 votes and can we really assume that all 52 R’s in the senate would be on board with that? Nope! You are not going to get 8 Dems to vote for a clean repeal. It would be nice if we could get that, but it won’t happen. Repealing without a replacement will be political suicide for the GOP and yep we would be playing right into the hands of the dems.

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      • Democrats won the social issues by making the responsible party no longer responsible; S.S., Medicare, Medicaid, abortion, Obamacare ect.

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      • Alexsandra says:

        Ryan is now in a very bad spot. That is a happy thing in the midst of this chaos. Could be a very happy thing since up to now all the lemmings were following him.

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    • KBR says:

      Click on sundance. Look at his article March 7.

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    • Remington...... says:

      Seems to me we /Sundance had this conversation about repeal the other day? To do so would need 60 votes in the Senate, which they don’t have.

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    • Shanna Gruen says:

      I was feeling the same way until I read someone comment about Sundance’s article yesterday about it. I went back to yesterday’s posts and read it and it appears that they really can’t repeal it without throwing our constitutional republic out the window and turning America into a democracy, which would be a disaster. It’s worth the read so I’d recommend everyone go back to yesterday’s posts and check it out. Here’s the link: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/07/why-obamacare-cannot-simply-be-repealed/

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      • If this is such a pressing issue where we need to pass something now, why not get it right? It isn’t like there aren’t other problems the country can address between now and 2018.

        Take the repeal & replace to the side. This plan by Ryan & GOPe isn’t even addressing the most important problems with Obamacare & exponential HC costs. We pass it, it fails to lower costs, then we own the blame.

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        • Ken Lawson says:

          You’re right, although it would be interesting to hear what you think of Sundance’s article mentioned in the comment you replied to. And it would be interesting to see what you think about how to deal with this in light of what he says. I doubt we’ll get another 8 seats in the senate in 2018. The country is too split to think that’s very viable (although it’s worth fighting to try to achieve). People need to understand that a person who runs for president can run on an issue but it doesn’t mean that they can always implement exactly what they want. But I do agree that setting it aside temporarily and plan for a battle after serious study of the issues and what can be done is the smarter choice than rushing to do something that backfires.

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          • Agree, politicians & us the people need to be realists and pragmatists. I expected Obamacare-lite from Ryan. The Republican Party can’t sign anything in the form of Obamacare-lite and expect high turnout in 2018 or 2020.

            The medicaid expansion I think will be toughest part to get rid of completely. Besides that part, the replacement bill should be based on ideas Trump ran on, which ultimately would help those on medicaid get off medicaid. I personally think states that opted for the medicaid expansion should have to pay for themselves.

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        • Oldschool says:

          Exactly. These tactics are exactly the same as the dems. I am sitting here trying to remember the last time I was happy about a piece of legislation and other than some small stuff Trump has pushed, I cannot remember one worthwhile bill. They have all hurt us. I see nothing in this amendment either.

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    • Walt says:

      I hate Paul Ryan but none of these fools stood up to take his job after the election. So Trump and everyone else is stuck. have a meeting and everyone get onboard! grandstanding is not desired nor required!!!

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      • 100% agree there was a complete failure to step in an show leadership. They had about 3 weeks or so in between speakers. More time also if you include the lead up to removal. SHAME On THEM. They are partly responsible for this mess.

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    • KitKat says:

      I think it’s more likely that the Freedom Caucus will go with the 3 phase plan which is the plan favored by the president, as Sean Spicer made clear in his press conference today, and Trump even said, he thinks Rand will come around.

      I see it like this: Phase 1 is the equivalent of Repeal, and unlocks Obamacare so it can be replaced in an orderly fashion. Get that legislated asap because Phases 2 and 3 are where the magic of Replace will happen, which can be negotiated without any restraints or limits.

      Maybe I’m seeing it totally wrong, but after reading about it, I think this is the big picture.

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      • Oldschool says:

        Did you see any time frame for the 3 phases? I didn’t but I am thinking the goal is prior to 2018. Imo, it is a HUGE gamble to believe all 3 phases will pass. Way too many variables that can alter a phased plan. We can’t even herd these cats to work a full week.

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        • KitKat says:

          IF it will take a long time for all three phases to pass, it will take just as long to work out the Replacement from scratch, because it will require just as much negotiation as whatever will be negotiated for Phases 2 and 3. The latter might even speed the process, because there will a skeleton framework or outline to work from, parts of which can be rejected, adjusted, enhanced or tossed. And there’s nothing to prevent totally new provisions.

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          • KitKat says:

            Another advantageous aspect of proceeding in this orderly fashion, is that all the moving parts will be thoroughly dealt with, and nothing will fall through the cracks.

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      • cjzak says:

        There it is. Nice synopsis!

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  2. Justin says:

    The health care bill is bad. I’ve struggled with the arguments for doing a phased approach and my conservative economics tells me it is a horrible idea.

    Creating a new entitlement will create upward price pressure. In the end, this bill will end up increasing costs, increasing regulatory burdens (for the tax reporting needed to implement the new entitlement), increase deficits, enacts a puzzling “penalty” which shouldn’t be constitutional and risks further undermining the Constitution, and risks ruining the midterm narrative.

    There is little to nothing to like about this bill.

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    • Justin says:

      Oh, and for lack of doubt, I refer you to college tuition costs and the student loan program. The more they are subsidized, the higher the prices get.

      Lenders were blamed, so the program was nationalized. Costs continued to rise.

      Can the bill, screw Paul Ryan for being an economic and political ignoramous and/or outright traitor, and I’m a bit disappointed in Trump for going along with it.

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    • I think you should struggle some more. Not a criticism, just a suggestion.

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      • Justin says:

        I’m open to it, but the math and legality are difficult roadblocks.

        This will increase costs. If you subsidize something costs will go up.

        I’m also puzzled how a 30% penalty for not purchasing health care is in any sense constitutional. A tax wasn’t constitutional, yet they ruled it was anyway, and now were setting yet another unconstitutional precedent.

        Increased costs and flagrant constitutional violations. Can’t support either.

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        • Jan says:

          Not to mention it was done outside of regular house order. So, the house can break that rule but the Repubs don’t want to get rid of the 60 vote filibuster rule so they can do the business they were elected to do.

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          • Chickficshun says:

            It’s designed to discourage people from purchasing insurance when they need it, only to drop it once whatever procedure they needed was done. It’s called gaming the system. This penalty is in place to encourage people to enroll and then keep it. The penalty is only activated if you been without coverage for more then 60 days and it’s a short term penalty.
            Gaming the system this way will add costs to responsible people’s premiums.

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            • Justin says:

              The law prior to Obamacare allowed for the discouragement of people who sign up for insurance only when they need it. And it did not violate the Constitution and it promoted better pricing.

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              • Chickficshun says:

                There was also a “previous condition” clause for health insurance coverage prior to Obamacare. If people don’t want a previous condition issue then you need to compromise. If you don’t plan to insurance hop then this penalty will not matter.

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          • Chickficshun says:

            No that’s incorrect. Bills which effect budget costs extended out past 10 years require the higher vote threshold.
            You really need to read Sundance post regarding these issues.
            The senate passed Obamacare with 60 votes back in 2010. At midnight 12/23 right before the senate recessed until next years, which then they would not have had 60 votes due to a senate seat loss.

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            • Justin says:

              Sorry, I’m having trouble lining up the posts on my mobile. If your response was to me, the costs I was referring to were not costs to the government, but costs to people buying the insurance or services.

              Again, I go back to the student loan example. I’m sure the Direct Loan Program scored better than the FFELP program from a government budget standpoint, but the result was higher costs of tuition for people borrowing the money for school.

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        • cjzak says:

          The 30% issue is the one big thing that bothers me. The other is no members of govt. are being told they must go with the rest of us on healthcare. I am hoping both will be addressed and changed before a final bill is ready. Costs will be explained I’m sure.

          But it seems nearly impossible to be able to get the votes to do this the way you are explaining you want it. What do you suggest they do to get the votes on a complete bill vs. doing it in stages?

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          • Justin says:

            On this question, I agree with Sundance. They don’t have the votes for a full repeal. Perhaps, if some lawyer smarter than me (and there are millions of those) figures out a way to do it with 51 votes, great.

            But that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try. I need the midterms they can throw it all back on the Democrats.

            Again, I support Trump. I didn’t expect repealing Obamacare to be a walk in the park by any stretch of the imagination. And he has a brilliant slate of promises on which he has already started to deliver, and many of which he can do by simply being a good Executive Branch leader. I’m with him. But this bill is nasty for many big reasons. It will be interesting to see what version actually makes it to a vote.

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        • Chickficshun says:

          It’s in place so people don’t abuse the system, designed so people get insurance and keep it. So people don’t buy insurance when they know they’re going to need it, like a surgery or pregnancy, then drop coverage after they have the procedure. Only to do that repeatedly. Because people will game the system over and over. And the we will subsidize that game playing with higher premiums. Hence that penalty with higher rates for a short term. It makes sense.

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          • Oldschool says:

            Here’s the problem with this in particular. The governent has NO business imposing any tax, penalties or whatever on whether we purchase insurance. It is up to the insurance company to decide if they want to accept the risk. If you crashed your car, had no insurance and THEN wanted to buy a policy to cover your accident, no insurance company would do it. Why on earth do we treat health insurance differently? If you don’t have coverage, get sick and THEN want to purchase a policy, let the insurance company set that premium. At some point we need to grow up and take responsibility for our choices.

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        • Way to struggle… keep it up.

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  3. psadie says:

    This Intel meeting of top officials should be very interesting…

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/fbi-nas-james-comey-mike-rogers/2017/03/08/id/777706/

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  4. Jan says:

    Can we please stop with this false assertion that 60 votes are needed in the senate?

    Take a look at the dems in the house and what they did with the stupid rules trick. The Repubs were given all of Congress and Trump as Pres. They need to get off of their cowardly butts and pass bills they promised to pass. Keep your promises and you won’t have to worry about the Dems have control of either house of congress for a long time.

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    • psadie says:

      The reality is that the Republicans DO NOT want to govern. The American people gave them “everything” any other Party would salivate over but not them. So average American citizens will have to step forward and start replacing them in order to get the job done! Enough of this nonsense already.

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      • Jan says:

        The voters gave the Dems full control and they gave us onothingcare. Then they were tossed out all across the country. If the Repubs don’t keep their promises, they will be tossed out too.

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      • Paco Loco says:

        Ryan’s bill was written by K Street and the Insurance industry. It is a joke after having ObamaCare shoved down our throats. Isn’t there anyone in DC with a common sense approach to this? The best solution is to repeal Ocare and get the government out of health insurance. I can’t believe that Trump supports this bill.

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      • TheOldBear says:

        Absolutely correct Republicans don’t want the responsibility govern they have always preferred to be in the minority going to the country club and cotillions. Making self important small talk watching the trust funds and keeping the deplorables out. Easier and you don’t get your hands dirty worrying about all the little people..Bluest of the blue bloods and GOPe.

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    • Jesse1976 says:

      I would have agreed with you until a few minutes ago when I read Shanna Gruen’s post above and went back to read Sundance’s article from yesterday about it. Read it before you pass judgment. It is pretty clear that this is about the only choice Trump has. And if you don’t read it, then you have no right to complain unless you have another solution. Here’s the link she posted to Sundance’s article: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/07/why-obamacare-cannot-simply-be-repealed/

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    • Eric Kennedy says:

      Jan continues to stomp her feet and refuse to believe in things she doesn’t like.

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    • singingsoul says:

      Jan “Can we please stop with this false assertion that 60 votes are needed in the senate?”
      ___________________

      You are right we do not need 60 votes in senate we need way more. The republicans are split and 1/3 want their way and the other Ryan’s way. Tell me how do you bring them together when some are never Trump some are Rinos and others are Tea Party people..?
      Many did not vote for Trump.

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    • Oldschool says:

      Jan, i agree with much of your posts, but not changing the super majority. I do not want that safeguard removed as much as it might benefit us now, it is a very bad move for the future. If we can’t get 60 votes to repeal it, so be it. Let it implode or work on those 8 votes. This amendment is no good and if Ryan ever put this out under any other administration, there would be little or no support from folks here. Some objectivity seems to be missing.

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  5. jeans2nd says:

    All this worry and fuss over the Healthcare Bill. Stop arguing and have some patience. The Healthcare Bill will work.

    Meanwhile, go laugh at the alt-left. Turns out Russia now thinks Pres Trump is (gasp) pro-American!

    ““We were too early in our decision,…that (Trump) would somehow be pro-Russian,” Leonid Slutsky, who is head of the Russian parliament’s foreign affairs committee, said in February. “But he turned out to be pro-American.””
    https://theintercept.com/2017/03/08/trump-picks-hawkish-critic-of-russia-as-nato-ambassador-veering-from-one-extreme-to-the-other/

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  6. sunnydaze says:

    LOL. Pussy Hat March in DC today is led by a man.

    Also, looks like they’re following the typical OWS/BLM chant thang.

    And…..it’s primarily an anti_Trump gig, at least this segment of it. Big surprise.

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  8. Scotty19541 says:

    You can’t fix stupid!!!

    So who birthed the other half …. aliens?, gremlins??

    LOL God Bless President Trump:)

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  9. Black_Knight_Rides says:

    Women’s Protest to be led by a MAN.

    From my Bride: PIMPED out much?

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/figures-womens-protest-d-c-led-man-video/

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  10. Pam says:

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  11. Martin says:

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  15. kenmar1965 says:

    Ryan on Tucker tonight…. this should be interesting.

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  16. Bull Durham says:

    Connecting the dots of blood ain’t very hard.

    #MichaelHastings, #CIA, #Assassination, #WikiLeaks, #Vault7

    https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/839479667

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  17. ZZZ says:

    CIA Director John Brennan emails
    https://wikileaks.org/cia-emails/

    on 21 October 2015

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  18. Scotty19541 says:

    Why I love the guys at the_donald on reddit!

    [–]Oh_THAT_Guy_GMD 6 points 1 hour ago
    I sexually identify as graph paper. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of sorting over the grid drawing beautiful graphs on math homework. People say to me that a person being graph paper is impossible and I’m f**king retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon tattoo rows, columns and 3 hole punches on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Grid” and respect my right to draw graphs and solve equations. If you can’t accept me you’re a papyrophobe and need to check your graphing privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

    LOL….MAGA!

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    • piper567 says:

      Scotty: I am a huge fan of The_Donald…thank you for plugging them with this bit of cleverness.
      I find they are right on top of all manner of detail, and I confess their complete dedication to TRUMP is a charming antidote to all the idiots who can no longer think.
      Go ‘pedes!
      They have taken an obsession with all-in all of the time to new heights, and I for one appreciate their hard work.

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  19. ZZZ says:

    how to make these confused women lose their minds:

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  20. ZZZ says:

    Rolling Stone’s Taibbi Warns Democrats and MSM on Trump-Russia Fake News

    The warning comes from the very very liberal Matt Taibbi and if you doubt his leftwing bonafides you can verify it right here on NewsBusters. Taibbi is very worried about the Trump-Russia story blowing up in the faces of the left as you can see in his March 8 Rolling Stone article, Why the Russia Story Is a Minefield for Democrats and the Media.

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2017/03/08/rolling-stones-taibbi-warns-democrats-and-msm-trump-russia-fake-news

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  21. Jason Ross says:

    About an hour ago, CNN had a huge 180-point headline claiming Fox News reporter James Rosen was not wiretapped by the Obama administration, in turn calling Sean Spicer’s presser comments “erroneous” yet again.

    Currently, there isn’t a single link to this anywhere on the its site. Not on the main page, not even buried within the Politics tab. It’s like their accusation never existed.

    How in the hell does CNN get away with throwing these kinds of hand grenades constantly — baseless reporting — and then not follow up with a retraction? How can they post whatever they want during the dinner hour when they receive the most viewers, and then just drop the content from its site? They’re just prodding people to get on Facebook and spread their lies on social media.

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  22. Pam says:

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    • Alexsandra says:

      Flotus has happy experience at this. I recall on her twitter she had a bunch of cool photos of an Easter party and egg hunt in pre-Presidential days. Looks pretty and fun.

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  23. keeler says:

    CNN must realize its lost the wiretapping narrative to Trump and that it needs a different fake news bludgeon. Looks as if we’re back to #emolumentsgate

    BREAKING RED BANNER: China has granted preliminary approval for 34 Trump-related business trademarks.

    How long before Trump killshots this nothingburger by bringing up Bernard Schwartz and missile technology sales to the PRC?

    [Source: http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/08/news/trump-china-trademarks/index.html?adkey=b%5D

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  24. ALEX says:

    I’ve noticed this light always on in the upper right window of the White House. I always look for it and I have no clue why and it has fascinated me for absolutely no reason…I do have a happy marriage..hehehehe. If you keep your eye out for it a night when they show the front it’s always on and bright…

    So I was checking out some satellite channels that show the raw news feeds of Trump White House officials,cabinet etc ….and I found this ….

    Check it out

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  25. truthandjustice says:
    • BakoCarl says:

      I think that PTrump and Team are going to invite, listen to, and evaluate many criticisms of the Obamacare replacement bill Phase 1 . . . and then work changes so that it will be acceptable to him and suitable to act as the base for the eventual bill (includes Phases 2 and 3).

      I don’t think that Pres “the Lion” Trump will allow any wool to be pulled over his eyes, especially by Paul “the Sheep” Ryan.

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  26. Finalage says:

    The Wall is not even up yet

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  27. Cowwow says:

    “Report: FBI Russia Probe Failed To Find Evidence Against Trump”
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/08/report-fbi-russia-probe-failed-to-find-evidence-against-trump/

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    • JAS says:

      SO it was Ozombo – he changed the executive order so the leaks would come out.

      “Who leaked Flynn’s name to the media? The leaks began in January after President Barack Obama changed a long time executive order that enabled information intercepted from FISA warrants or by the National Security Agency to be pooled out to 16 other federal agencies

      Such sensitive information is normally given to eight top leaders in Congress, who are regularly briefed by the intelligence community about classified matters. But after president Obama changed the executive order before he left office, a massive number of staff throughout the government had access to the information.”

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  28. Alexsandra says:

    Ryan on Tucker right now talking about his “better way”. Fast but not slick talker. Hyper. Bug-eyed. Annoying. On the way out. Soon Speaker no more. Yay. Winning.

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    • gamecock123 says:

      His excuse for the House only working 8 days in April sounds like BS to me

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    • Alexsandra says:

      He also huffs and puffs. Looks like a person with bad breath.

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      • Alexsandra says:

        I know I sound shallow. But O contraire, it is only because I decided months ago that listening to content / substance from his mouth was useless.

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        • coldsnap says:

          ; ) … BIG thumbs up!

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        • LCSmom says:

          I agree. I watched that interview and it was like the Charlie Brown teacher talking. He is such a horrible communicator – very condescending and way too wonky. He also comes across as an earnest liar somehow. Very strange.

          None of these congress people (Ryan, McCarthy, McConnell) can compare to Trump, Spicer, Huckabee, and maybe Rand Paul. I think Dave Brat was on Lou Dobbs and he is a better communicator than Paul Ryan too. I can’t believe they think their BS still sells with the voters.

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    • BobW462 says:

      Every time I see him do an interview I think of Jackie Gleason doing “ugh humma humma humma”.

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  29. coldsnap says:

    Are you guys tired of Stick Man, yet? Hell no! ; ) I AM STICK MAN!

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  30. NJF says:

    Giggle snort.

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  31. Everyone having these big long discussions about health care..what was wrong with what we had before? I had no problems. I pretty much did not have health insurance for most of my life. There was about 9 years total for employee benefit stuff, which I rarely used because I am never sick except with cold or flu and now I never even get those; I think you must develop immunities with age.

    I think people who do not go to doctors are healthier than those who do go. Doctors are trained to look for things wrong with you; I look for things right. I met a 98 year old woman last year walking around a lake near here and her words of wisdom to me were, don’t go to doctors. Then, she got into her pick-up truck and drove off! Interesting person.

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    • Oh, and one more thing…all people did before Obamacare was complain and complain about their insurance, so then they got Obama care and all they do is complain and complain…maybe they should just be grateful for what they have.

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      • gamecock123 says:

        My biggest problem with health care is my high premium and and high deductible. We rarely get sick or go to the doctor, but when we do the bill is never get our deductible met, and the time we almost got close the year ended and it starts all over. I am grateful for my health, but Ive spent alot $$$ of HC insurance that I have never benefitted from. It sucks! And this is before and after Ocare. It worse with Ocare.

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        • Oldschool says:

          Us too. But we pay much much more with o care

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        • If you would have taken that money that you are spending on the premiums and saved/invested it, would you be better off….in other words, would you have been able to pay your own health bills? Just wondering…

          I used to be able to go to a doctor with no insurance and pay the bill myself. Usually, doctors would have a different price for cash customers, lower than what they charge the insurance company customers.

          When I move to NC about 11 years ago, it was the first time i had a hard time finding a doctor who would accept a cash customer! I could not believe it! I ran into another woman who had moved here and had the same problem. I still don’t understand it, unless they had found that cash customers do not pay? We do have a lot of illegals here.

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          • gamecock123 says:

            In hindsight I would been better but I have kids. Other than minor illness like strep throat, ear infection, colds, they are healthy, but I always thought it best to pay in case any of us were in accident or got seriously ill. My compliant is, like car insurance with no accidents., if we take preventive measures, and are healthy seems like a premiums could be lowered, or at least have more choices to other plans. I have to get mine with my employer and deduct out my pay check. Also, since Ocare too, I have to show proof of insurances when I file taxes.

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    • Alexsandra says:

      I agree on all counts.

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    • Oldschool says:

      I agree 100%. Which is why we only had catastrophic policy. We are blessed with good health and avoid doctors unless we have to. Want insurance if we really have an issue. Other than that, pay the dang doctor when you go!

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  32. JoD says:

    Some of the following is sarcasm….
    Don’t you just love it when the Republicans beat each other over the head?
    Nothing like some serious infighting to instill confidence in their ability to do their jobs!
    Repeal and Replace has showcased why their approval ratings are in the tweens.
    We are so lucky to have Paul Ryan as the Ring-Master of this Cirque du Jerks.
    This is the non-sarcastic part…Let’s face it, those Democrats are so boring. One of them lies, and to a man/woman, the rest swear to it! The entire a Democrat party is always in blissfull lock-step. Even if they walk off the edge of a cliff, they all go together.
    Amazing how those Republicans never get bogged down in a show of unity!!

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  33. Joe says:

    Jobs report is KILLING shltlibs.

    So FUN!

    Not trolling, giving facts…shltlibs going nuts.

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  34. The fact that no one is talking about the following topics as they relate to the healthcare proposal tells me most people offering up opinions on the matter don’t understand insurance:

    1) The State Departments of Insurance ramifications of the legislation – or any new legislation for that matter. State Insurance Departments will fight cross border sales like crazy. It will be a “Yuge” fight. NAIC is against, bigly. Also, it takes a lot of time and manpower to get a “Policy” contract written and approved by State Insurance Departments (even if they use the NAIC models.) They will be competing with the insurance companies to get qualified actuaries and risk analysts to evaluate the policies.

    2) Insurance Companies regulated solvency ratios. They have to maintain these ratios and produce a profit. These insurance companies are in a lot of people’s investment portfolios. They have to be able to make money. If they were making money now, they wouldn’t be shutting down in some states.

    People need to stop being so ideological and understand that reality is a bugger. Sometimes it is best to proceed incremently. There are big fights on the horizon. Let’s gain some ground and move onward. Staying in the same hole and fighting all of these battles at once won’t work.

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  35. LM says:

    Great opening on Hannity

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  36. NJF says:

    SD, and Mods thank you for level headed Obamacare posts. The fake “conservative” blowback is so intellectually dishonest and makes me awake to the legislative process vs reality.

    They know they are lying, and they then just double down on grandstanding nothing burgers.

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    • Blade says:

      SD, and Mods thank you for level headed Obamacare posts. The fake “conservative” blowback is so intellectually dishonest and makes me awake to the legislative process vs reality.

      They know they are lying, and they then just double down on grandstanding nothing burgers.

      Agreed. This is one of the only places being level headed ( although some of the commenters are still as stubborn as Democrat jackarses ).

      Somewhere between 9:30 and 9:35 pm you will hear Tucker Carlson actually complaining about the repeal of one specific Obamacare tax on the wealthy as: a gift to the wealthy which should demonstrate just how shallow their knowledge of the details are. Fox are #FakeNews just like the others. I can’t believe I was happier with Ryan than Tucker during that interview.

      As for the rest of the details, especially the limitations of the narrow Senate bare majority, the “Conservatives” are hopeless. Because if factual details are unimportant, then what good are they? None. Levin is the penultimate example of this. When he is not taking credit for Trump’s tweet and Sundance’s deep state chronology, he is smashmouthing the Obamacare rollback.

      Imagine if the Senate went to a 50+1 majority vote for everything. Sure, they can repeal Obamacare. But what happens next time ( maybe even this very Congress ) the Democrats have the edge? Are you really itching to be on the receiving end of that? That’s how we got 90% and 75% top tax rates in the past!

      The Red Pilling continues but the “Conservatives” keep spitting it out!

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  37. NJF says:

    SD, and Mods thank you for level headed Obamacare posts. The fake “conservative” blowback is so intellectually dishonest and makes me awake to the legislative process vs reality.

    They know they are lying, and they then just double down on grandstanding nothing burgers.

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  38. Bull Durham says:

    Does anyone believe the Russians “hacked” anything, and used it in the campaign by giving it to WikiLeaks?

    All the Russian Did It stuff is overwhelmed by the Vault 7 evidence. Everything the 17 Intel agencies say Russia did can be shown that the CIA did it because of the leaks.

    Also, we know the theme was being set up early in 2016 by the emails of Podesta talking about it.
    Then, all that was found was “evidence” no one can produce. There isn’t one hard piece of evidence that has been shown with certainty that could withstand a court cross-examination.
    We have verbal assurance from totally discredited directors of agencies that break the law, and now with Vault 7 we have proof of their own criminality against Americans.

    So they are the witnesses to Russian hacking which they can’t prove but which we can now show was their won doing, meaning any of the agencies could use the CIA tools, not just the CIA. And so could any other skilled nation-state agencies or individuals.

    Since these tools were not protected and we see were “accessible” to someone (an insider?, or a hacker?) it is logical to think the Russians would not have hacked the CIA, stolen the tools and then used the tools to show Russians hacked the emails that went to WikiLeaks during the campaign.

    It all is bogus lies.

    Russians did nothing. They may have taken emails from Hillary’s server. Probably 5-6 nations are assumed to have done that. The DNC stuff and Podesta are white hat jobs, domestic. They relate to corruption and pedophilia.

    Now we see the tools the hackers might possess. But for certain we know the tools and the crimes the tools fit. And the CIA has its fingerprints all over them.

    Russians didn’t cause planes to disappear, cars to crash, or their own reputations to be smeared.
    CIA did it.

    The whole, entire IC is corrupt and useless for national security. All 17 agencies need to be flushed.
    Years after Snowden we have the probability of another Snowden, another contractor turning hero and exposing the criminality of this agency.

    And now we have their pathetic attempt to blame Russia for Vault 7.

    Does anyone believe one word of this government?
    Certainly the MSM has been totally discredited.
    It’s time to totally discredit all the National Security agencies. They are all corrupt and incompetent.

    If Russia was a real threat, a real enemy, this nation would be in dire straits, helpless against the Russian Intel services and military. We would be overwhelmed by cyber warfare.

    Whatever weaknesses the Russians see, they do not exploit. Why? We would destroy their government and force them to their knees if they were this pathetic. The reason they don’t harm us is they don’t have an animus toward Americans. They understand our government is a danger, but they still resist the opening.

    How much longer the Bear will be patient is anyone’s guess.

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    • BakoCarl says:

      ” they don’t have an animus toward Americans” . . . was just thinking about that this afternoon. IMO, Russian people, in general, want to live in peace and security and aren’t afraid to work for it . . . much like most Americans. To them, we’re not the enemy and we don’t want to destroy them.

      Millions of muslims, however, have a great animus toward Americans, Jews, and non-muslims . . . and they do want to wipe all of us out!

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    • WSB says:

      Bull, your post was SPECTACULAR!!!!! And serious.

      But, because I just saw some humor in your assessment, may I create one AdLib for others’ amusement?

      “Since these ______ were not not protected and we see were “accessible” to someone (an insider?, or a ______?) it is logical to think the Russians would not have _________the CIA, stolen the tools and then _______the tools to show Russians hacked the emails that went to WikiLeaks during the campaign.”

      Brilliant post, Bull!

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    • I haven’t seen any evidence one way or the other.

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  39. NJF says:

    Really good. BORs opening, and then interviews Woodward.

    HE gives a decent acct of all the leaking stuff &’ then takes down Woodward; turns him into a stuttering fool.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/5352695140001/?playlist_id=933116612001#sp=show-clips

    About 10 mins

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  40. truthandjustice says:

    Bill Binney, NSA’s architect turned whistle blower and Lt. Col. Shaffer on Hannity — two really good credible ones. Hannity is really pursuing this Wikileaks very, very well ! Defending Russia, facts about NSA and what they’re capable of, etc.

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  41. Martin says:

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  42. Martin says:

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    • Bull Durham says:

      Stumble? What side are you on Kayleigh?
      They were hunting Flynn and knew he was talking to ambassadors and the Russian in particular. They they have transcript which we know very,very few have ever seen any, and it gets peddled around town and up to NY for a look see. But no one has a copy.

      So it could be totally a lie or totally fabricated.
      It broke the law two times. One not shutting down the collection and the other making a transcript and showing it to people outside the agency (NSA probably).

      Hardly a stumble onto a conversation. Nor a minimization.

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  43. Hollywood Bungalow says:

    Hoping someone can chime in to see if this is possible: House finalizes their healthcare bill. Once done, they sit on it and do not bring it to the floor. Instead, they allow the Senate to try and repeal Obamacare. Which they won’t be able to do. At that point, it becomes a binary choice: the house bill or nothing. At which point Republicans likely lose the House and the Senate in 2018 if they don’t pass the house bill. The GOP’s own existence will be on the line in less than two years if they do not pass a bill that improves healthcare in this country.

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    • Bull Durham says:

      Sundance explained yesterday the procedure, the reasons and the process.
      The “good guys” conservatives with the nice days like Freedom caucus are playing the Ted Cruz concerto of high principled last stand and Rand Paul the Senate solo artist is doing the same. They need to get their next version in Stage 2 tightly drawn and gather allies so all the things they and the People want are in the bill. We know Ryan is a snake.
      But he’s right on the Staging. This has to be this way for Stage 1.

      Forget the Dems. They are busy sabotaging the nominations and delaying Trump’s power in all the departments.

      Thing to ask is why hasn’t the WH nominate hundreds of deputies and assistants?

      Especially in Steve Mnuchin’s Treasury? he is crucial to every aspect of the economy. Give him who he wants and get on with it. 99% of the program to MAGA is this year. Mnuchin hasn’t shown one eye twitch of not being 100% for all Trump wants and America needs. The WH is messing around. Transition unit is a real problem.

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