With NBC/WSJ It’s Not Polling, It’s “Gaslighting” – Media Manipulation: The Latest Version…

mark murrayThe latest media narrative “Donald Trump Cannot Beat Hillary Clinton” and “Donald Trump support Dropping”, is being spurred by another NBC/Wall Street Journal poll being pushed – yet again – by NBC political director Mark Murray.

On February 17th we completely deconstructed the ridiculous methodology being deployed in the agenda polls –SEE HERE–  What the general audience continually seems to overlook is the source of the information.

Here’s another screengrab of the latest “poll” being pushed by NBC/WSJ (the full pdf is here).  Look closely at the origin of the information.

NBC Poll manipulation

What you’ll see is: “Hart Research Associates / Public Opinion Strategies” these are not political polling firms.  These are public relations firms.  You can go here to see the origin of the data, and you can GO HERE to see the clients they service. 

From Their “About Us” Page – About half of our research is dedicated to winning elections. Our political client base includes thirteen U.S. Senators, six Governors, over sixty-five Members of Congress, and numerous state legislative caucuses. The other half of our work is involved in complex public policy battles, working with industry coalitions, government entities and private companies.

What you will discover is their clients are entrenched DC Politicians who have a specific and vested interest in the outcome of the election.  Public Opinion Strategies is the outfit that runs their political campaigns and political messaging.

These are not media polls done to capture the mood of the electorate.  These are tightly controlled scripts designed to sell a very specific reference.   This is the professional political class controlling the information being fed into the media machine.

Do not take our word for it, check it all out for yourself.  All the links are above.  Once you look into it you’ll realize why and how the reality (election outcome) diverges so completely from the narrative (election prediction).

This crap is all about constructing a false impression and selling the propaganda to the audience.  That’s all it is.

Media Lying

This is what they do with the crap:

 

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109 Responses to With NBC/WSJ It’s Not Polling, It’s “Gaslighting” – Media Manipulation: The Latest Version…

  1. InfidelDefiler says:

    The psyop is amamzing!

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    • hocuspocus13 says:

      Why…can Hillary Clinton run the Country from Prison? 😉

      Liked by 6 people

    • Justme77 says:

      Psyop! That’s exactly what it is!

      Liked by 3 people

    • “New Think Progress and the Ozzard of Wiz” a satire on

      Multilevel Information Racketeering for Dummies….

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    • I don’t know how factual or biased the poll was but I know a lot of people are ignoring the 39% of registered republican voters that absolutely will NOT vote for Trump under any circumstances. Having said that and not being one to ignore history, I see the same election results as when Romney won the GOP nomination if Trump wins the nomination, even Sanders will beat Trump.

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      • Victor, who died and made you God? Trump has a huge support network with a lot of “closet” Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. Trump 2016!!!

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      • I think they say that now. What will they say in November? I think a percentage will not vote for him.. fine… I would never vote for Cruz. Trump appeals to democrats and indies so I think he can make up for them. Hopefully.

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        • Sherry Wagner says:

          I have voted democrat 30 plus years. I liked Trump right from the get-go. Says what a lot of people are thinking yet afraid to say in public. I am sick of anti-police rhetoric, war on law enforcement, and Black Lives Matter has turned me off the Democratic Party, too. I wonder how many dems are leaning toward Trump like I am. The media AND Republican Party have so viciously attacked Trump. I can’t believe how he has been able to take the abuse! He is a very strong man.

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      • cozette says:

        Then they will allow Hillary to executive order and SCOTUS away our 2nd ammendment. They will allow her SCOTUS nominees to destroy our Constitution. They want an extreme expansion of abortion rights. They will put the killer of Benghazi and serial liar as Commander In Chief and bring pervert Bill and his cronies back in the WH. And she will accelerate the Islamization of America and the end of US sovereignty. Just for starters. Any idiot that doesn’t vote for Trump is voting for the future I just described. If they think thats ok then they should leave the GOPe and register as a democrat liberal. No conservative will sit this election out. No patriot American will.

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      • cozette says:

        And those 39% will NEVER win another election in their life time. Liberals will totally control the House, Senate, POTUS and SCOTUS. Americas trade and immigration policies will turn America into a 3rd world country for you and your children. We will hound you forever.

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    • cozette says:

      BTW FBN had on a polical professor named Dr Helmut Norpoth. He used a statistical model that has correctly picked the general election winner since 1912, except the year JFK stole the election in 1960. According that model he said there was a 97.2% likelyhood that Trump would defeat Hillary in a head to head. The elites all know about this poll. If Trump really were going to lose to Hillary as they keep insisting they would let him run and scoop up all the new voters he’s bringing in. As Romney said, they’re fine with Hillary winning. But they know she won’t. That means Trump, if he’s the nominee would become president become president. THEY KNOW THIS. That’s why they are in such a weird frenzy to stop Trump.

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  2. Frankly Ben says:

    Sundance, what would we do without you???

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  3. Tparty says:

    …and now we can assume anyone using this poll as a propaganda tool is current … almost everyone.

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  4. JoeS says:

    Sundance you left out “if it were a two way race between Donald Trump and Candidate X, Trump loses,” which is another myth. One reason why this myth is stupid, amongst many reasons, is that they are asking the entire national GOP electorate a question that really only applies to VERY TRUMP FRIENDLY upcoming primaries. Most of the very Cruz friendly states have already been settled with Trump wins, BTW.

    I think we are so accustomed to the NBC/WSJ poll here at CTH, that no one paid any attention to it.

    Thanks for the background, though!

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  5. JoeS says:

    Joe Scarborough said this morning that even though this is his networks poll, he thinks it is very wrong EVERY TIME!

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    • BobW462 says:

      That hack shill Scarborough also wrote another op-ed for the p.o.s. WSJ today that mostly ridiculed Trump’s presser held last night, proving once again that Joe is still just another media puppet who is ‘all-in’ on whatever his bosses direct.

      IMO, Joe, like the rest of his MSM peers, cannot ever again be trusted.

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      • JoeS says:

        You are preaching to the choir Bob.

        I will re-state it as “Even, Joe Scarborough……….”

        Ok?

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      • ezpz says:

        Exactly, BobW462.
        Joe was starting to win me back over again — kinda….

        UNTIL the whole DD/KKK nonsense where Joe self righteously “disqualified” Trump.
        I didn’t really watch much MJ after that.

        Then today, I watched the Trump ‘interview’ (such that it was) via CTH, and it was truly sickening. Each and every one of those elitist, arrogant idiots (save Bob Costa) were repulsive and as Trump always correctly points out – completely dishonest!

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        • BobW462 says:

          Right on, ezpz. Joe, and his team of shills, may occasionally fool some with their ‘acting’. But, anyone who watches often enough and close enough will surely see right through their agenda-driven BS.

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        • cozette says:

          I love Morning Joe. Mika too. Joe was getting huuge flak for being so positive about Trump from the beginning. Joe had to give himself some cover.

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      • Curry Worsham says:

        Schmoe says he was for Bush and now Kasich. That’s where he’s coming from.

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    • Of course, JoeS. Why not? But what I want to know is: WHY DID THE POLLS get the Hillary/Sanders battle in Michigan so wrong? Nobody is mentioning that. I think “dice are rolling, knives are out” for her, too. (Evita reference really fits here, eh?)

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  6. ctdar says:

    Oh and everyone wondering today how on earth bernie took michigan in an “upset”?
    fabricated polls.

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    • CJL says:

      I believe the Democrat Michigan polls were rigged to give the impression that Hillary was way ahead so people would cross over to stop Trump. There were many live reports of!people doing just that.

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      • jeans2nd says:

        Nearly every person who came in to our little Trump Campaign office today were Hell-No-To-Hillary Democrats – true story. The “close” Trump-Kasich polls are motivating them more. Many left our office and went straight to early vote, and are voting Trump in November. Some strategy, huh?

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    • Justme77 says:

      This is why I still worry about Florida. This election season is unbearable!

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  7. Concerned says:

    FWIW, Cruz also loses to Clinton, so at least we don’t have to listen to him crow about being the only candidate who can beat her. :)

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    • R-C says:

      You reckon that will stop Cruz from pushing his ‘talking point’ just the same?

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    • triper57 says:

      I question those polls that say Clinton would win any election. Actually question any poll. Have for quite a while now.

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      • cozette says:

        Real statistical model says 97.2% likelyhood Trump beats Hillary just like we all knew deep down inside. With one hiccup this model has picked the winner accurately going back to 1912. This is a famous model. All the elites know about. That’s why they’re trying so hard to stop Trump. They know hed win!

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  8. So very nice to see while Morlock is on his honeymoon that the WSJ is keeping the faith.

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  9. wyntre says:

    Wow.

    So NBC/.WSJ put out fake polls but claim they’re legitimate.

    And the NBC political director pushes them even though he knows they’re bogus.

    Isn’t that an FEC violation of some kind?

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    • Curry Worsham says:

      it’s certainly a conflict of interest. Agenda news outfits should only be allowed to do polling with legitimate pollsters.

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  10. TimeIsNow says:

    The WSJ/NBC “polls” are a joke.

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    • Les says:

      This “news” made it to the Daily Mail site, check out the commemts section. People know it is a media manipulation. Chances are the “news report” did more harm than good for Hillary. More people are catching on than we realize.

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      • Phooey says:

        I saw a comment or 2 under a Yahoo article today, calling out the methodology of yet another blatantly biased Monmouth poll. People are getting it.

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      • skifflegirl says:

        You are correct, Lee. I am pleasantly surprised all the time how much sense I see from people in my Twitter timeline. People get it. The rise of social media, where we control the content, is a blessing and the progressives/globalists that created these platforms have unwittingly aided in their own demise. Trump is us and there’s not much they can do about that.

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    • JeremyR says:

      More like a cruel prank. Jokes are supposed to be funny, like a Rubisho campaign commercial.

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  11. Freedom to lie, freedom to be corrupt, freedom to commit fraud, you know

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  12. Angry Dumbo says:

    The only poll that matters is the one that takes place in the privacy of an election booth. And in those polls, Mr. Trump is doing pretty well.

    That said, the tentacles reach of the oligarchs never ceases to amaze me. Even more so, how the serfs in the oligarch’s media wing dance for a dollar without a hint or reticence. I mean what does a soul go for these days?

    The zombies have woken up, its the media that has had their brains eaten.

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    • grainofsalt2 says:

      Now that the real and actual polls/elections have started any polls out there especially the agenda ones have no more impact whatsoever. It was not very important before neither it is now. “That I can tell you.” ;0)

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  13. flounder, rebel, vulgarian says:

    Many apologies in advance.

    I wouldn’t normally do this and can’t vouch for the information, other than to say that Washington Nearsider is a long-time AoSHQ commenter, and I trust the person to be honest.

    https://www.gofundme.com/michelleneff

    Here is his original plea for his sister-in-law, mother of three children (10, 4, and 9 months) attempting to leave and get custody from an abusive ex-husband.

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=362068#c24965775

    Here’s his plea.

    Some of you are aware that my sister-in-law (wife’s twin) has been beaten and abused by her husband for nearly 20 years. Some of you are also aware that he is armed, unstable and easily provoked. We are all half-expecting the police to call and notify us that he has killed her, the kids, and himself.

    Today is the end of the beginning.

    Shelly left Scott [names unchanged because fuck that guy] about a year ago. Since then, she’s been fighting a legal battle over custody of her three children (ages 10, 4, and 9 months). For those of you who math on this blog, that means even while pregnant, he was beating the shit out of her. Shelly lived with her mom for a few months and then rented an apartment with her dad to help defray some of the costs.

    Since she’s moved out, Scott has physically threatened several separate daycare providers, forcing Shelly to find new and more expensive care for her kids. Currently, one child is in school and the other two are in separate daycares to minimize the odds that he can find all three of them at the same time.

    At every step in the legal process, Scott has refused to concede even the slightest fraction of an inch. He has fought, gambled, lied and abused the system designed to protect the innocent and punish the guilty. In doing so, he is attempting to win by out-spending her. He in unemployed, has no education and has not been able to hold a job for more than a year or so in his entire adult life. He is being represented by an acquaintance for free, so he has no financial reason to quit.

    Shelly wants full and sole custody of her children and has documented a long and colorful history of abuse for the court. The court, though, is slow, and designed with the presumption of innocence at its base. In this specific case, that means Scott can get away with nearly everything until the very, very end.

    Shelly’s cumulative bills have exceeded $100,000. In an effort to defray these bills, our family has dipped into retirement accounts, opened lines of credit and attempted financing. My wife and I have given the money we can along with many, many weekends, helping Shelly around the apartment and donating household goods she needs to stay above water.

    All of everyone’s resources are tapped out.

    Scott has refused to settle, and this custody case is going to trial. Shelly’s lawyer (who is giving her a non-sarcastically great deal) has quoted her an additional $30,000 to cover the trial itself. That money simply doesn’t exist.

    Shelly needs help. She needs it emotionally, spiritually, physically and financially. If you’re the praying type, please add her to your lists. If you live in the NoVa area and can donate household goods, please email me (washingtonnearsider at the g mail). If you can help financially, our family has set up a GoFundMe for her to alleviate the costs of winning her children from a violent and abusive man.

    If you are inclined and able, please consider giving a few dollars. We can’t offer anything more than gratitude by way of repayment, but please know that you’re helping a desperate woman fighting to save her children.

    Thank you all so very much.

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  14. JoeS says:

    I love this definition of gaslighting taken from Wikipedia:

    “Gaslighting or gas-lighting is a form of mental abuse in which information is twisted or spun, selectively omitted to favor the abuser, or false information is presented with the intent of making victims doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity.[1][2] Instances may range simply from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.”

    Source:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

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    • Gail Combs says:

      I stay away from WIKI when ever possible.

      This is a really great article on gaslighting
      The Effects of Gaslighting in Narcissistic Victim Syndrome

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    • But isn’t the entire media always gaslighting everything or almost everything all the time?? I mean, the spin is always there. We have no tv service, no antennae. We have a screen which we use to watch movies, but no TV media. Our girls (elementary age) do not remember ever having it. We pulled the plug on cable 3-4 years ago for financial, health, mental reasons. Have not missed it. But, still, this is what the Media–tv, newspapers, magazines “do.” They are the epitome of all talk (spin) no action, except they influence action. This is not new, this discovery of spin. I agree with everything said here, I am just pointing out that it is what is and always has been the case with media.

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  15. Jett Black says:

    This just provides further fuel to my cold anger and motivation to GOTV for Trump. If he’s behind, even possibly, it means we need to try harder. I want to see landslides in every remaining state.

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  16. Arkindole says:

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  17. Jason says:

    It amazes that anyone can push these polls with a straight face. How can the guy who can barely show in the race for his party, be unable to win a single delegate in several contest be the ‘one and only’ to challenge Hillary?

    Are they just too lazy to actually try and construct the poll so that it might have a remote possibility of being true… or do they really think we are so conditioned to take everything fed to us by media as truthful and objective that we won’t notice.

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    • flounder, rebel, vulgarian says:

      “or do they really think we are so conditioned to take everything fed to us by media as truthful and objective that we won’t notice.”

      Yes. Cruzbots have been pushing this narrative relentlessly, and every time it comes up, it has to be argued again, as if they didn’t learn anything from South Carolina.

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      • Gail Combs says:

        Do not forget many of us have been banned from various sites so we can not comment and counter the disinformation put out.
        I really think Cruzbots are Disinformation Analysts Commenting On Your Favorite Websites
        “Ever wonder why those same obnoxious, arrogant and infrequent users just happen to appear on the heels of very controversial posts like clock-work? They monitor, wait and then pounce of the same topics to emotionalize and antagonize legitimate users on social networking and thousands of other websites. Whether it be vaccines, GMO, organic foods or any other topic geared towards natural health or contradicting mainstream opinion, these “online trolls” are now being exposed as part of sophisticated, larger operation on behalf of multi-national food corporations, pharmaceutical cartels, big agribusiness and chemical companies…..”

        And Sockpuppets
        Government propaganda, automated bots, and Internet trolls – The battle to control public opinion and manipulate social media (Lots and lots of links)
        “Rampant Disinformation

        NATO has announced that it is launching an “information war” against Russia. The UK publicly announced a battalion of keyboard warriors to spread disinformation.

        It’s well-documented that the West has long used false propaganda to sway public opinion. Western military and intelligence services manipulate social media to counter criticism of Western policies.

        Such manipulation includes flooding social media with comments supporting the government and large corporations, using armies of sock puppets, i.e. fake social media identities. See this, this, this, this and this.

        In 2013, the American Congress repealed the formal ban against the deployment of propaganda against U.S. citizens living on American soil. So there’s even less to constrain propaganda than before…..”

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        • Gail, this is (pardon the expression) blowing my mind. I am serious. Of course these people have infiltrated blogs, etc. We all see the fake “people” commenting on diet products or wrinkle creams (yes, I clicked on one once recently) It looks so real. This is very disturbing. I also see “friends” commenting on how great John K. is, etc, and how he is so adult. I mean some people don’t need formal brainwashing, they almost do it to themselves willingly. I cut the cord temporarily on Facebook, time to do it permanently. I cannot stand Zuckerberg.

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        • brcajun says:

          The cruzbots attempt to infiltrate without sticking out like a soar thumb. Noticed this is the new tactic they are trying. Multiple replies are made to an original post altering the direction of the conversation. We end up with pages on pages of a conversation that goes nowhere and loses train of original article heading. I also notice when someone posts a good post about conservativetreehouse foundational values!

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  18. I heard Dana Perino and Ted Cruz mentioning a poll with this data last night and before they could flash the poll I said out loud, “OH HERE WE GO, IT HAS TO BE – WSJ/NBC!”

    And what do you know, it was…

    The most irrelevant dishonest polling group to date!!! We need to start exposing them every time they come out with a new poll.

    Is this guy, Mark Murray related to the other guy that does the ridiculous Monmouth polling? Isn’t his name Patrick Murray?

    If they are related wow, we have another story of a dishonest family that is selling out the country for the all mighty dollar to influence public opinion with fake polls.

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  19. sunflower lady says:

    The question for me is not ‘Can Trump beat Hillary in November?’. The question is ‘Can Trump beat Hillary by a large enough margin to overcome all the voter fraud?’.

    Anyway, what about Florida? If Rubio drops out before the Florida vote, where does his support go? Cruz? Seems like Trump benefits from Rubio staying in longer, but I would think Trump would get some of the Rubio people if he quits.

    Lol, it really is beautiful irony though. Trump is using the GOPe splitter strategy against them to his own advantage. Serves them right.

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    • Bush is meeting with the three candidates before tomorrow’s debate! They are going to gang up on trump!

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      • brcajun says:

        I would think the 2 illegals will try to keep Trump off Kasich. They will go after Trump and I suspect Trump will ignore most of Little Rubio’s bs if that happens Cruz will be forced to become unpresidential. The main reason is because Rubio has already lost florida and the gope’s are trying to give Kasich as much cover as possible and allow Kasich to again say he is above this type of behavior and he is the most presidential of the other 3 hoping that will stray undecided and those leaning one way or another in Ohio to cement those voters into Kasich vote cast.

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      • triper57 says:

        Rehearsed and directed by Bush? He didn’t seem able to run his own campaign. Be interesting to know which puppeteer go along for the meeting?

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    • Curry Worsham says:

      Probably goes to Kasich.

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  20. kallibella says:

    If it were not for this blog, I certainly would be in utter confusion.
    Thank you Sundance for all you do to keep us informed and to point out the machinations of those who are opposing Us.
    The meme is “Clinton beats Trump,” but also before We get there, the other meme is that Kasich will win Ohio. Add to that, the Ohio ballot confusing lots of people. Let’s not forget John Boehner is from Ohio.

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  21. Rondo says:

    Personally I think if Cruz became the nomination he would lose to Hillary. As abad as Hillary is they would label Cruz as the far right candidate and would lose. Trump I believe would win by a large margin.

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  22. Nan says:

    You know, everyone wants to knock Trump for being a reality TV star (this seems to be the latest description of him in the press), but what they fail to realize is that this entire race has turned into a reality TV show.

    The American public’s been wise to that crap for years. And I’m sure I’m not the only person who sees it that way.

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  23. carolmcd says:

    What you’re saying could be correct. But Peter Hart has been a Democrat-leaning pollster for a long time. He may very well be shape-shifting with his current work, but if you did a Wikipedia search on him, it would say he’s a pollster. His Republican counterpart has always been Bill McInturff.

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  24. LW says:

    Just saw a Rubio anti Kasich ad on my local station in SW Florida. They also said Rubio was opening a campaign office in Ft.Myers. Doesn’t sound like he is dropping out. Why would he be running Kasich ads in Florida?? Jeb has a meeting with the three tomorrow so look for another double teaming at the debate.

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    • sammyhains says:

      Jeb is meeting with Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich to discuss the 3 of them handing their delegates to Jeb at the convention.

      A vote for Cruz is a vote for Jeb.
      A vote for Rubio is a vote for Jeb.
      A vote for Kasich is a vote for Jeb.

      A vote for Trump is a vote against the GOP machine.

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      • Curry Worsham says:

        There is no way Jeb! gets back in it. He’s finished.

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        • sammyhains says:

          Jeb’s not out. His campaign is “suspended” which means it is still legally active in every way, but he’s just no longer actively campaigning.

          He has 4 delegates, which gets his foot in the door. That’s all he needed.

          Now, if Trump isn’t the nominee, then whoever is the nominee will be someone who won fewer delegates than Trump and has gotten most of their delegates from other candidates.

          Jeb fits that bill. Nothing says it has to be Rubio or Cruz or Kasich. If the nominee isn’t the 1st place finisher, then it could be the 6th place finisher or the 8th place finisher just as easily as it could be the 2nd place finisher or the 3rd place finisher.

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  25. carolmcd says:

    I am convinced that Donald Trump is the ONLY person who can beat Hillary – with the right campaign. If the Republican Party chooses Cruz, they will lose. Maybe they don’t care that Hillary wins. But they want to put the image out there that the Party is inclusive and “diverse.”

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  26. Sentient says:

    Trump to Hillary:
    “You’re not against the border wall because it won’t work. You’re against it because it will.”
    Trump wins election.

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  27. sammyhains says:

    On Sunday, NBC News/WSJ released a poll showing Hillary Clinton beating Bernie Sanders in Michigan by nearly 20 points. Sanders won by 2.

    Now these same people are telling us that Hillary Clinton is beating Donald Trump in a race 8 months from now.

    Apparently, their polls can be wrong…

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    • JeremyR says:

      There you go, blaming us Poles for all the problems in the world. I hate it. I Hate It. I HATE IT!
      For your information, this Polack supports Trump.

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  28. azcatsclaw says:

    My mother told me when naming my son to check out what his initials spelled out. Public Opinion Strategies could have used her advice

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  29. I don’t understand why these “polls” are still coming out.
    Sure, there was some uncertainty during the past summer when the game was just taking shape. Jeb vs. Hillary, Cruz vs. Sanders etc. People actually though Trump winning the GOP nom would all but secure cement Hill’s coronation.

    But you can visit comment boards on HuffPo, WashPo, Fox, liberal outlets, conservative media… there is a perception that Hillary versus Trump would be the most entertaining debate of the century, and the majority of people think Trump would trounce here off the stage.

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  30. I used to work for this company until they sold all the call centers and we were out of a job overnight.

    Having conducted these ‘surveys’ I know all too well how the phrasing of the questions and answers can produce the ‘results’ the client wants.

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  31. Gail Combs says:

    Do not forget that trust in the media is at an all time low. It is so low Gallop had to combine High amount of trust with Fair amount of trust because High amount was below 25% and tanking. (Do not have that old article at my finger tips)

    September 21, 2012 U.S. Distrust in Media Hits New High
    “…Implications

    Americans are clearly down on the news media this election year, with a record-high six in 10 expressing little or no trust in the mass media’s ability to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly. This likely reflects the continuation of the trend seen in recent years, combined with the increased negativity toward the media that election years tend to bring. This is particularly consequential at a time when Americans need to rely on the media to learn about the platforms and perspectives of the two candidates vying to lead the country for the next four years….”

    Four years later the distrust has risen to new heights.

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  32. AK49 says:

    Slimeballs.

    Trump ’16!!!

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  35. Curry Worsham says:

    Thread is dead. That’s what I sa-id

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  36. rashamon says:

    Lil’ Mario is still running. The Chicago Tribune just came out with an endorsement, and he had a half-million dollar buy in up until the election next Tuesday. They started last Monday around the local news (morning, noon, dinner time and ten p.m.). Quite ineffective as the time is extraordinarily cluttered by the local elections’ ads.

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  37. read through that poll earlier today – can retrieve them off Sqidd; one of the “favor ability: question

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    • …sorry, computer malfunction – continued:

      a question re favorability re Hillary registered 81% favorable. This was a democrat based poll. As have been maintaining throughout – it is a mathematical impossibility for Trump to be polling so high everywhere and then be the only one not beating Clinton; therefore – they are “publishing” only polls that have been weighted so much to produce those results. And article is correct – it is to gaslight the public.

      Issue on same topic: When Trump states he beats Hillary in lots of polls; he is stating a truth. Just that: he cannot specify which polls as they are bought/paid for by other candidates/PACs, etc. and therefore are those who purchased property. Up to them whether to purchase, But each campaign can and assume does pay to get all polls done per service.

      What is interesting/disturbing in this year’s cycle is the $$$ spent on polls equals more than has been spent cummulatively throughout the last 50 to 70 years. Hillary is #1 re money purchases of polls, Cruz is #2. Their SuperPacs and local groups supporting them also spend heavily. The disturbing part is for the actual dollars spent to produce marketing polls vs. the numbers that are published is off. Given the average size, etc. and estimated cost(s) of those polls continuously being released – always targeted before a primary/state to attempt to sway voters – the ratio of polls paid for vs. polls released to the media is probably only about 20 percent or less of all being purchased are being released. This would indicate they re-poll using different Atlas computer identifying lists and other software voter information lists and then weigh the polls even more to get desired outcomes.

      If 80 percent (approximately) of paid polls aren’t being published – that means all
      polls are being heavily weighted to get outcome before releasing the 20 percent that show the desired results. That is a huge amount of “bad polling outcome” to ignore before providing one that can be used as marketing the way they wish. Showing Hillary winning nobody except Trump.

      This is gas lighting.

      I am starting to believe the only accurate polls are the exit polls after voters have voted. Those are available and should be published to give better balance.

      Also too – the “remarks by Trump that he sees a lot of polls where he wins Hillary is (then) true. Though, since they are owned by the purchasers, he can only make comment re he saw a poll – if he names it w/date/who took it/etc. without the owner’s permission he is in violation of using their owned data. He would be sued.

      I see him get put down by media pundits all the time for [lying] that he’s seen polls he beats Hillary by large margins. This is true – he does. They are those unpublished ones because they came out wrong to be used in media marketing.

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      • triper57 says:

        Wouldn’t count on exit polls, I have two stock answers – None of your #### business, or lie through my teeth. Which one I use is a spur of the moment thing. Prefer to lie to the poor s### though. And hope it screws them up.

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