Part 2 – The Professional Political Machine Says: “Donald Trump is Not Conservative”…

Part 2 – The professional political class continue to say candidate Donald J Trump is not conservative enough on his positions. Various voices proclaim ownership of some arbitrary defining litmus test – that apparently moves depending on the definition of the person making the proclamation.

… so let’s cut through the BS and take a look at the issues.

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Part 1 reviewed the Trump Policies on: ♦ Immigration ♦ The Second Amendment ♦ Taxes ♦ Trade ♦ Energy Policy ♦ Education ♦ Military and ♦ Foreign Policy

So we continue exploring the Trump Doctrine with:

Healthcare Policy – While Donald Trump has not laid out a formal Healthcare policy we are able to assemble the outline with a review of his 2015 verbal comments and proposals (interviews) regarding ObamaCare and Health Care Reform.

Candidate Trump has committed to a full repeal of ObamaCare with a replacement policy proposal consisting of patient-centered, market-based reform. Trump has outlined a desire to remove the state regulatory barriers on healthcare insurance exchanges allowing insurance companies to present an insurance product across state lines, a market-based approach.

Businesses and individuals would be able to purchase health insurance from any company regardless of origination state. All insurance companies would be able to compete for, and offer insurance coverage toward, the consumer and/or business in any state.

However, Trump has also proposed federal guidelines, rules, to ensure the financial solvency of any health insurance company. Any healthcare insurance provider would have to pass regulatory and compliance financial “stress tests” and retain financial reserves as established by federal regulatory agencies. A similar approval and regulatory program is currently in place for financial/banking services to eliminate risk.

Each insurance provider would also be required to pay a fee, into a federally controlled risk pool established in the event any single provider is unable to meet their policy obligations. The collection of these fees eliminates the risk of a taxpayer funded bailout if an insurance carrier becomes insolvent. This process also allows insurance regulators to keep the market flush with multiple competitive carriers eliminating a too big to fail monopoly by any individual carrier. (Think Hurricane Insurance Programs).

This market approach would open the health insurance markets to competitive pricing and allow consumers to tailor their coverage to their individual needs. The insurance product is offered by the insurance company, the individual has choices and options.

Low income healthcare coverage is continued through the use of the current Medicaid services program and is provided as a subsidy or voucher to the insured customer. In addition, Trump is open to “health savings accounts” so long as the account itself is controlled by the individual and catastrophic insurance coverage is included as part of the overall program.

Candidate Trump has also proposed retention of the mandated “pre-existing coverage” rule insuring that people cannot be denied entry into the market based on pre-existing conditions. However, unlike ObamaCare, Trump is also proposing “High Risk Pool” subsidy for those who have extensive and long-term medical issues.

The long-term medical coverage subsidy for high risk patients would be administered through the existing medicaid and medicare process; the difference becomes the amount of the subsidy which would be based on the individual or family income level, and extent of the coverage needed.

On Veteran Healthcare (VA) – Donald Trump has recommended a complete overhaul of the Veterans Assistance programs. – Policy Outline HERE

“Under a Trump Administration, all veterans eligible for VA health care can bring their veteran’s ID card to any doctor or care facility that accepts Medicare to get the care they need immediately. Our veterans have earned the freedom to choose better or more convenient care from the doctor and facility of their choice. The power to choose will stop the wait time backlogs and force the VA to improve and compete if the department wants to keep receiving veterans’ healthcare dollars. The VA will become more responsive to veterans, develop more efficient systems, and improve the quality of care because it will have no other choice”.

On Social Security – Unlike many candidates Donald Trump is NOT calling for rapid or wholesale changes to the current Social Security program. With the single caveat of “high income retirees” (over $250k annually), which Trump is open to negotiating on, candidate Trump does not consider these programs as “entitlements”. The American people pay into them, and the federal government has an obligation to fulfill the promises made upon collection.

To fully understand how Donald Trump views the solvency of Social Security, you must understand his economic model and how it outlines growth.

The issue with Social Security, as viewed by Trump, is more of an issue with receipts and expenditures. If the aggregate U.S. economy is growing by a factor larger than the distribution needed to fulfill its obligations then no wholesale change on expenditure is needed. The focus needs to be on continued and successful economic growth.

trump hard hatWhat you will find in all of Donald Trump’s positions, is a paradigm shift he necessarily understands must take place in order to accomplish the long-term goals for the U.S. citizen as it relates to “entitlements” or “structural benefits”.

All other candidates are beginning their policy proposals with a fundamentally divergent perception of the U.S. economy. They are working with, and retaining the outlook of, a U.S. economy based on “services”; a service-based economic model.

While this economic path has been created by decades old U.S. policy, and is ultimately the only historical economic path now taught in school, Trump intends to change the course entirely. Because so many shifts -policy nudges- have taken place in the past several decades, few academics and even fewer MSM observers, are able to understand how to get off this path and chart a better course.

Candidate Trump is proposing less dependence on foreign companies for cheap goods, (the cornerstone of a service economy) and a return to a more balanced U.S. larger economic model where the manufacturing and production base can be re-established and competitive based on American entrepreneurship and innovation.

No other economy in the world innovates like the U.S.A, Trump sees this as a key advantage across all industry – including manufacturing.

The benefit of cheap overseas labor, which is considered a global market disadvantage for the U.S., is offset by utilizing innovation and energy independence.

The third highest variable cost of goods beyond raw materials first, labor second, is energy. If the U.S. energy sector is unleashed -and fully developed- the manufacturing price of any given product will allow for global trade competition even with higher U.S. wage prices.

In addition the U.S. has a key strategic advantage with raw manufacturing materials such as: iron ore, coal, steel, precious metals and vast mineral assets which are needed in most new modern era manufacturing. Trump proposes we stop selling these valuable national assets to countries we compete against – they belong to the American people, they should be used for the benefit of American citizens. Period.

EXAMPLE: Currently China buys and recycles our heavy (steel) and light (aluminum) metal products (for pennies on the original manufacturing dollar) and then uses those metals to reproduce manufactured goods for sale back to the U.S. – Donald Trump is proposing we do the manufacturing ourselves with the utilization of our own resources; and we use the leverage from any sales of these raw materials in our international trade agreements.

When you combine FULL resource development (in a modern era) with with the removal of over-burdensome regulatory and compliance systems, necessarily filled with enormous bureaucratic costs, Donald Trump feels we can lower the cost of production and be globally competitive. In essence, Trump changes the economic paradigm, and we no longer become a dependent nation relying on a service driven economy.

In addition, an unquantifiable benefit comes from investment, where the smart money play -to get increased return on investment- becomes putting capital INTO the U.S. economy, instead of purchasing foreign stocks.

With all of the above opportunities in mind, this is how we get on the pathway to rebuilding our national infrastructure. The demand for labor increases, and as a consequence so too does the U.S. wage rate which has been stagnant (or non-existent) for the past three decades.

As the wage rate increases, and as the economy expands, the governmental dependency model is reshaped and simultaneously receipts to the U.S. treasury improve. More money into the U.S Treasury and less dependence on welfare programs have a combined exponential impact. You gain a dollar, and have no need to spend a dollar. That is how the SSI and safety net programs are saved under President Trump.

When you elevate your economic thinking you begin to see that all of the “entitlements” or expenditures become more affordable with an economy that is fully functional. As the GDP of the U.S. expands, so does our ability to meet the growing need of the retiring U.S. worker. We stop thinking about how to best divide a limited economic pie, and begin thinking about how many more economic pies we can create.

Simply put, we begin to….

…..Make America Great Again !

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Again, if that’s not a classic approach to being fiscally conservative and solvent, I don’t know what is…..

Part 1 HERE

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119 Responses to Part 2 – The Professional Political Machine Says: “Donald Trump is Not Conservative”…

  1. Director says:

    You also have to be willing to snap back at this

    Trump is no Cuckservative. He’s a Nationalist, Traditionalist and American First.

    Rich Lowry and George Will are traitors and Cucks.

    Kristol and Krauthammer are pimps.

    Liked by 9 people

  2. Director says:

    Trump shows the internal contradiction of the Lib-Con spectrum.

    You cannot have a freebee like a National Healthcare Service if you have unrestricted immigration. No one will agree to pay for Trayvon’s reconstruction trauma surgery and Juanita’s 5th Anchor Baby.

    Liked by 6 people

  3. RoninInCA says:

    Nice Work Sundance..

    Liked by 10 people

  4. Voltaire's Crack says:

    Very good explanation of Trump’s economic strategy and paradigm in the Social Security section. It’s worthy of its own heading in my opinion as it is so fundamental.

    Let’s hope everyone took the recent dissemination of posting rules seriously and read the whole post. There should be some good comments.

    More excellent work!

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    • TheFenian says:

      Excellent sundance.

      Trump says he can do things quickly. The plan to reform us from a service based economy to one that again produces is monumental. I don’t know how quickly he can accomplish such a transformative turn around in the nature of our economy.

      The concept is exciting, also imperative.

      Liked by 3 people

  5. preppin247 says:

    The remaining middle class is flocking to Trump.. He connects. EFF conservative.. Eff liberal…Its American values that matter.. The American dream is a candle flickering in the wind and D.T. poured a can of gas on it..

    Liked by 8 people

  6. americalsgt says:

    My biggest concern about Trump’s positions relates to bringing the jobs back. Unless this is done along with a return to work requirements for benefits I fear many would rather collect than work.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Dale says:

      IMO cut corporate taxes, deregulate, get rid of Obamacare and the jobs will come back.

      Liked by 4 people

      • americalsgt says:

        But will they work is my thought. Many have become fat and lazy in a country where the Smithian ” If you don’t work you don’t eat,” is a distant memory.

        Liked by 1 person

        • Jack Long says:

          The other factor to consider is that the situation now is an employer’s market that dictates impersonal working conditions that employees have to adhere to. There is also very little job security.

          I have to wonder how many of the people not working and relying on government help are doing so because it is the most predictable source of income now.

          People often give the example that people won’t work picking crops, etc. Those used to be the types of jobs where seasonal labor or teenagers filled the need. It worked out well for everyone. They were never ‘breadwinner’ jobs.

          I think if the job market became an employee market again and employers had to offer good packages to retain employees and had to offer a secure job position, people would work.

          That would especially be the case in a good small business environment where the specific talents of each person is a valued commodity. I know of small businesses where there are lower level employees who ‘run the place’ and the bosses/owners are the first people to admit it.

          I think if a person feels his/her talent is wisely used and is appreciated they enjoy working.

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        • oldtoenail says:

          I have confidence in the American worker. I believe they will work if given a decent chance to move ahead. If welfare is slowly moved to the private sector the remaining teat hangers will not like to answer to churches and private organizations for help. The real needy may continue to need government help but this would be reduced to actual handicapped and mentally impaired people.

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          • Sutzinger says:

            Stop the free stuff for able-bodied adults. Stop paying welfare for the second, third, fourth, fifth baby. Wean them off. If they aren’t working they should be in some sort of training program to prepare them for work.

            Throw Commie Core out the window and respect state’s rights.

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    • New Vulgarian says:

      I have the same questions. The dirty little secret is that there is so much “free stuff” out there, that lots of people don’t want a job.

      I know people who are plant managers who have the same story. They need to hire people, but can’t find people to fill the jobs. Drugs on job sites are another huge problem. One plant manager friend says how much hidden drugs they find in the bathroom, taped to the back of the toilets, etc.

      The building of jobs is great and needed, but will this coincide with cutting the “safety net”, which has become a big old comfy hammock? That will have to be done to drive people to work. Being unemployed pays too well.

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      • oldtoenail says:

        There is no doubt that drug usage must be drastically reduced. Maybe we need to drug test and publish list of people that are drug users. Remove eligibility for welfare and mandatory rehab is another logical way to fight drug usage. Of course the wall will help reduce the flow of drugs and drug dealers. Harsh penalties for the real drug pushers and traffickers even when they are the rich and powerful would also help. I believe that our government employed people make up a large proportion of the people pushing drugs. Maybe a mandatory death sentence for anyone working in law enforcement convicted of drug dealing. Being compassionate on drug dealers will not solve the problem. I group anyone that is involved in the drug trade such as money laundrying banks as drug dealers.


  7. giddyup says:

    the elitists in our party are having a meltdown. i’m rejoicing.

    Liked by 8 people

  8. Polar Vortex says:

    Just a question. Are “rare earth” metals found in the US. They are used in most if not all electronic products and my understanding is that China is the primary source of rare earth metals.

    Liked by 1 person

  9. Dale says:

    If I am understanding this correctly, Trump’s model for the healthcare insurance companies reminds me of how the commodity markets work: every member of the commodity exchange is responsible for every other member’s losses. If any one member cannot pay, then all the members are obligated to cover the defaulting member’s losses. This protects the customers of every company.

    Therefore, all health insurance companies would have a vested interest in how other insurance companies are performing regardless of any federal regulations.

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    • WeeWeed says:

      Now that it’s been brought up I so hope he has one of his teaching moments about health insurance at a rally and WHY it’s no longer sold interstate like it USED to be. WHY can we not shop over state lines like we used to? WHICH lobbyists (when, I suppose) got that little convenience done away with?? WHO benefitted personally, and I don’t mean individual insurance companies? Indigents and illegals have had “free” healthcare for as long as I remember, anyway – so now we get to pay for people that don’t even want to work. WHY??
      I want him to POINT FINGERS at exactly who’s making the money.

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      • Most of the Country’s problems can be traced back to our representatives not obeying the Constitution and their constituents. Obedience to the Constitution and constituents have been replaced by obedience to lobbyists, political parties, special interests, international interests, money, and globalists (sorry if I overlooked anyone/thing).

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    • Ono says:

      As I see it Trump wants competition, accountability, quality and profit. for everyone.

      What’s wrong with that? Nothing… to the honest! hard working! person.

      To the Rat who’s been Paid to guard the cheese factory…well…I hope you have a plan “B” otherwise you’re fired

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  10. Mark Levin is acting odd.

    He has some issue that has his brain tanngled up.

    Just missing clarity.

    Liked by 6 people

  11. What is neede is a “Department of STOP FRAUD”.

    Able to pay like. 10% reward for the fraud they prove up.


    • NJF says:

      Exactly. I was trying to explain these concepts to my 18 year old daughter.

      Just by cutting the fraud & curruption would be a huge first step.

      Welfare, food stamps were meant to be a temporary situation when good people find themselves in bad circumstances. It was never designed to be a way of life. It’s become generational for millions & now we extend these benefits to every illegal that crawls across the border.

      The babies for dollars scheme must end, whereby the baby mommas get bigger checks based on the # of kids they produce.

      We must stop rewarding bad behavior. Just like illegal immigrants. They are much less likely to come here if there isn’t a gravy train at the end of the journey.

      Like all of Trumps positions, the truth hurts yet hiding from it doesn’t make it all go away.

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  12. boutis says:

    Moving the goalposts is the only game they got left. Unless he was 100% globalist and attending Davos it would not be enough.

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  13. Ono says:

    Sundance, excellent article! I just forwarded this to a couple fence sitting skeptics. I personally think that insurance is good in concept,, only if the insurance companies are subject to random audits. Banks used to be subject to indiscriminant audits and when the bank examiner walked into the bank and asked to see the books if the vault and the ledger did not zero out the institution was shut down. With fractional lending and multi corporations, all an insurance company or bank has to do to balance their books is instantly (via computer) pull assets from another business in the corporation into the institution that is being audited. This practice needs to stop, and I believe it will as soon as Trump crosses the threshold into the white house.

    An audit is what the GOPe/wallstreet thieves fear most. All the quantitative easing IMO never hit the streets. It may have been entered into an account via computer but the cash went elsewhere with hopes that an audit will never come to be.

    To those who do not know…The fed has never been audited and they (the federal reserve) are not part of the US government. The fed is an international lending institution. Goldman Sachs is a member of the fed. So the fed is Ted.

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  14. zzschnops says:

    This was even better than part 1.

    There is no doubt that Trump’s policies are conservative.
    The reasons you have cited above are very convincing.


    they lack the 3d thinking necessary to change peoples minds. We need something that makes Trump identified as conservative. ( see Scott adams for examples )

    I am a conservative, but cruzbots will never accept me as conservative ENOUGH…
    that is the brige we need to cross.

    Anybody got any good ideas?


    • flawesttexas says:

      Replies to the “Trump Not Conservative” folks

      Half a Trillion trade deficit annually w Communist China is Conservative?

      Open Borders and unchecked illegal immigration is Conservative?

      Not considering what’s best for Americans…is Conservative?

      Large number of H1B and Work Permit visas for foreigners is Conservative?

      Liked by 5 people

  15. hocuspocus13 says:

    I just read this if someone can confirm

    The National Black Conservatives just endorsed Trump 🇺🇸

    Liked by 1 person

  16. Santorum on Levin show and calls borderline personality Levin “the great one”

    Liked by 2 people

  17. shiloh1973 says:

    This is it folks. We have one last chance to grab the golden ring. My late husband told me 30 years ago, that we would have one last chance. This is it. We get this one wrong, we are done. We have at our grasp to take destruction over triumphant , the chose is ours. We need to get this right. Our future and the our future children depends on it. We do not get this right, this time and it is over. We must destroy the establishment or all is lost.

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  18. Renee Blythe says:

    Trump is willing to work WITH the law makers and show them how change of thinking creates wealth in America. His ultimate goal is to make America the strongest country in the world and out of debt with a real chance of once again living the American dream!

    Liked by 1 person

    • Bobbi D says:

      I think that is the reason Trump scolded Cruz for calling McConnell a liar…Trump knows to get things done, you have to sit down with each other and talk…

      The other thing that Trump sees is the Ethanol in Iowa, he wasn’t saying this because he thinks it will gain votes, he looking in the Middle East right now what is happening and talking about oil…Iran and ISIS have the oil, Saudi will be taken soon and then no oil for America…right now the EPA won’t allow us to drill for our oil and neither will obuma, so lets go with Ethanol until we can get Trump in office to get something working…


      • jimbob says:

        right now the EPA won’t allow us to drill for our oil and neither will obuma, so lets go with Ethanol until we can get Trump in office to get something working…

        That doesn’t even make sense. Ethanol is an additive to oil. It’s not an alternative to oil. His ethanol ploy was pure pandering, like it or not. And McConnel IS a liar, and calling him out was one of the best things Cruz has done.

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  19. Rurik says:

    So Our Donald is not conservative? Ya mean like “Pecksniff” Will and “Trouser Crease” Brock?
    I don’t care. He is anti-progressive. And anti-PC. And anti-immigrant. And that is a good place to start.


  20. tz says:

    Remembering Reagan appointed Sandra Day-O, and Bush, Roberts, I expect nothing on two issues I consider important – Abortion (Today is the anniversary of Roe v. Wade) an Gay Marriage.

    If Trump would commit to returning these to the states, I would be superglued to his campaign. If he said he would nullify them on day one, I’d be flying to Iowa tomorrow. He has already said Roberts was a disaster and Thomas a great justice. This is better than the rest of the pack! Few noticed. (note to Sundance – Add the Supreme Court justices to the list).

    I think Trump even said something about the Federal Reserve, and the NSA/surveillance I agree with, another establishment “conservative = the Stasi police state” difference. Trump is much better on defense.

    Don’t even mention Kelo and eminent domain if you won’t talk about the EPA declaring deserts “wetlands”, the F&WS, USFS, etc. finding “endangered species” and ordering you not to use your land anymore – turning it into a national park – but not compensating you for this clear and obvious “taking”.

    The establishment has been breaking the rules for 40-50 years to get their stuff implemented. To say Trump is not conservative because he won’t consolidate their progressive gains as playing by their rules would require is stupid. Robert Bork even noted a conservative Justice is supposed to overturn the status quo when it is wrong, not “conserve” it.


  21. NannyG says:

    I have relied on the “OnTheIssues” site for positions of every candidate, based only on his/her own statements and votes.
    As to Donald Trump, despite what detractors like Cruz might say, he is a solid CONSERVATIVE.
    There’s a graphic at the bottom of each candidate’s page of quotes.
    Here’s Donald’s:

    Here is Cruz’s thus he is unelectable:

    Just PLEASE let Donald Trump run against Bernie:


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    • New Vulgarian says:

      Bernie might be a tougher nut to crack than Hillary. My conservative son came in today quite rattled. He had been having political conversations with 7 of his college friends. They went to a conservative Christian college.

      5 out of the 7 were in favor of Bernie. They like the free college platform. His friends all have small children now, and tons of student loans hanging over their heads. My son was wondering if this is why so many young people want Bernie… their own student loan situation is bad, so they see Bernie as alleviating it.

      The support Bernie has among the millennials is frightening!


      • Crassus says:

        You can always get plenty of votes by promising free stuff. It’s an old liberal trick.

        Liked by 1 person

      • KBR says:

        College age people sometimes have a very tough time seeing themselves in the future, and tend to concentrate on their own issues in the present. They don’t realize that they will still be paying back their loans, and then some, with Bernie’s 90% tax. And Bernie isn’t promising to bring back jobs with a viable plan to do so.

        I have talked with several. First I ask how they had planned to pay their loans back at the time when they originally took the loans. “What was your thinking then?”

        Some admit they were too young to think it through back then, and didn’t know how interest accumulated. (It is a shame that a college-bound high school student cannot research, study, and comprehend this subject. Bad schools, inadequate teaching.)

        A few say they thought they would get a “good” job after college and be able to pay it back easily. (Sometimes their idea of a “good” job is a bit unrealistic: they want to start out at the top of the pay grade, rather than working up to it.)
        These can be made to understand that Trump is their hope of finally landing a good job.

        The tax burden is so heavy now that increasing it to pay off all the millennials’ loans is not feasible. Imagine asking all the middle class blue collar workers, who couldn’t afford college for themselves, to pay for college loans of others! And the reason: just so the people who took out those loans don’t have to pay back.

        I would like to see the interest reduced on federal student loans. But I would not like to see college grads not have to pay back what they borrowed: it’s a bad lesson, it teaches that they can avoid responsibility.

        Look at our vets: they earned college payments by risking their very lives for this country.
        What have the millennials done for the USA that we should pay their loans?

        Millennials with kids should take a look at their kids future. What kind of tax burdens will they lay on their own kids?

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        • New Vulgarian says:

          Excellent! Thank you….


        • New Vulgarian says:

          My son came back through here today. I had sent him a copy of your response. He thought it was excellent, also.

          A big part of his friends’ choice to follow Sanders was online quizzes. These quizzes ask them what they think about various issues, and then at the end tells them which candidate best matches their responses. Apparently there are a bunch of these things out there.

          Not surprisingly, the quizzes told them they were Bernie supporters. So now they are. Computers don’t lie, you know! This is frightening!!! My son says this is the big rage with millenials. You know those quizzes are like Sundance’s analogy of the pop machine, where every flavor choice spits out diet ginger ale, a.k.a. Yeb!. These quizzes have one candidate that everybody matches… guess who!

          We slog it out, agonizing over our choice of candidates, and here are these kids in droves, taking quizzes and converting to Sanders-ism because a computer tells them to. We have all those ignorant choices to overcome at the polls!

          Only 1 of my son’s friends was a Sanders supporter prior to taking a quiz. 4 of them were new converts afterwards. Not a bad day’s work for the Sanders folks!


        • Linden says:

          The whole higher education thing is just a racket these days, with the accreditation people just as corrupt. Almost EVERYTHING is education is a racket these days. Once education can stop feeding at the trough of grants, loans, reduced standards, and it has to provide a real value and real education, those loans will much smaller, and maybe not needed at all. It’s become a form of slavery.


  22. Louis Tabor says:

    Amazing agenda and excellent writing. I am interested in learning Mr. Trump’s action steps or opinion about reducing the size of government particularly where different “departments” are concerned. I think it important to communicate to the electorate what is and is not important.

    Mr. Trump, I think, would garner additional conservative votes if an effort is made to communicate how the size in government might change in a Trump administration. I have never thought the US government would ever be “small” as some would suggest, but it could be “medium” and run especially efficient.

    Additionally, Mr. Cruz has suggested abolishing the IRS, which seems foolhardy, but because of their bias ingrained against conservatives, a complete rebuild, hopefully more efficient, could be advocated.

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    • rayzorback says:

      Implement the “Fair Tax” and the IRS becomes Irrelevant as the states will do the “collecting”.

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    • New Vulgarian says:

      The size of government issue is a big one I hear being held against Trump. I think Trump did say that he would abolish the Dept. of Education. Reagan wanted to do this, but never could succeed. Once something is established, it’s tough to undo!


    • Crassus says:

      When a political candidate says he/she wants to abolish the IRS I usually laugh until I begin coughing my head off because I know that it will never happen. It’s just boob bait.

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  23. Arkindole says:

    He also has spend a lot of time discussing:

    Infrastructure. Shift to infrastructural work and you shift production jobs back to the US (or re-start them). The gas tax used to support this in part, but demand/price will no longer do it to the extent that we need it. There will have to be cutbacks in some area of federal spending and a channeling to infrastructure. See 1950s-1960s for how that works (Hint: it works real well). Invest in America.
    Stop Currency manipulation by Asia et al. See this:
    Opinion: Donald Trump made a case for gold — and no one noticed

    Essentially, the elimination of fiat currency and “floats”. The move to gold levels the playing field and would return us to the days of reserve notes. Remember FDR? He was a democrat who trashed the gold standard (among other socialist acts) and opened up the Pandora’s box to fiat currency.
    The Banksters/Wall Fleece, while hedging with precious metals right now and extensively manipulating the precious metal market, would fight this tooth and nail–There’s a damn good chance the guards at Ft. Knox are watching en empty vault. They have fought an audit of US gold for that reason.

    Naw, nothing conservative about the above.

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    • tz says:

      I made this point in an earlier thread but didn’t connect it with Trump’s statements so well. Basically devaluing your currency (like Mexico’s Peso after NAFTA) adds an export subsidy and import tariff just as much as passing an explicit one so there can’t even be “free trade” when there are fiat currencies.


  24. wyntre says:

    Well, the National Black Republican Association considers Trump conservative enough.

    They’re endorsing him.

    Liked by 1 person

  25. Pb&j says:

    Aren’t the ones saying he’s not conservative enough the ones who backed the moderate Romney…hypocritical

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  26. Voltaire's Crack says:

    Ivanka (by all appearances it is actually her) is taking up the fight, commenting on a Breitbart thread

    Ivanka Trump ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ • 22 minutes ago
    Out of desperation, Cruz has teamed up with the GOPe and talk radio class in an final assault to take down Trump.

    Americans aren’t going to let that happen.

    Here is the thread:

    Sort comments by oldest and she appears at the top.


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  27. Doodahdaze says:

    Oh Darn. Trump is not a conservative. Shucks.


  28. truthandjustice says:

    I’m not very good at understanding this type of thing – so maybe someone can comfort me more — read where Trump wanted to replace with Govn’t Universal Health care . Was he misunderstood – ?

    “Obamacare’s going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what’s going on with premiums where they’re up 40, 50, 55 percent,” Trump told Pelley.
    However, instead of then arguing that we should repeal Obamacare and return our nation to a free market based healthcare alternative, Trump actually said that he believed Obamacare wasn’t socialist enough and that the government had to completely take over the healthcare industry!

    Donald Trump: “Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, ‘No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private.’ But…”
    Scott Pelley: “Universal Healthcare?”
    Donald Trump: “I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”
    Scott Pelley: “But who’s going to pay for it?”
    Donald Trump: “The government’s gonna pay for it. But we’re going to save so much money on the other side!”



    • New Vulgarian says:

      This sounds very different from what he said in the Wall Street Journal interview from probably 5 months ago. In that sit-down, he outlined opening up markets across state lines, etc. What Sundance reported as Trump on healthcare sounded much more like that interview than the piece you have posted here.

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      • stella says:

        Trump support universal health care 16 years ago. Not recently. Now he does not support it.

        Q: in 2000, you wrote that you’re a liberal on health care, and you supported a Canadian-style system, where the government acts as an insurer. Is that what you still believe?

        A: You know, I looked at that. I looked at it very seriously. Some people don’t agree with me on this: I want everyone to have coverage. I love the free market, but we never had a free market. Even before ObamaCare, it wasn’t really free market. As an example, in New York, when I wanted to bid out my health insurance, we had boundaries. I could only go in New York. If I wanted to bid it out to a company from California or New Jersey, anywhere–you get no bids.

        Q: But the single payer, you’re not interested anymore?

        A: No. No, these are different times. And over the years, you are going to change your attitudes. You’re going to learn things and you’re going to change. And I have evolved on that issue. I have evolved on numerous issues.


    • Director says:

      In principle there’s no reason why that system couldn’t be implimented.

      It’s just that we have 50 million free riders.

      Also Obamacare is a private compulsory purchase. It’s a horrible compromise.


    • singtune says:

      I would Read what “Sundance ” Wrote up above, once again, if you are still confused~! “Sundance” has proven much more reliable, than other sources of information~~out there~!


      • mariner says:

        truthandjustice pointed us to a clip from a Trumpinterview, not “other sources of information~~out there~!”

        I read this article the first time sundance posted it, and it reassured me that the people attacking Trump for his universal health care stance were just blowing smoke at us.

        But the clip shows Trump himself speaking in favor of government-controlled universal health care. I don’t know any other way to hear that. Do you?


    • John says:

      This is one of the problems I have with Trump. He says everything right but it doesn’t match what he was in the past. He never was on board with the fight to defeat the liberals until a year ago. All his support was to the liberals and left leaning. He is saying and supporting the right things now so everyone jumps on board. I hope he stays that way but I see a pattern.
      He said tax the Chinese 45% then walks back a little.
      He says Apple will make products here, then walks back a little
      All refugees go home, then walks back a little.
      All immigrants go back to Mexico then come through legally, then walks back.

      Also he has a tendency to call anyone who disagrees with him a bad name first. Cruz is nasty, Rubio is a kid etc. I want to hear him call Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell and the establishment what they really are. I don’t want to be duped into another establishment elitist.

      I also think he is burning the bridges to the people he needs the most while keeping the establishment bridges open. This is not accidental. When he gets in the room with Reed and Pelosi thats when the fun begins. I just hope the damage to all the gains over the last 10 years is not lost. From reading these comment boards everyone is all in for Trump and the rest are no good. There is about 10% in Congress trying to fight or whats right if we beat them up whats the use.

      I have no problem voting for Trump but why destroy everyone in the process?


    • mariner says:

      That bothered me a lot.

      Sundance has done a lot of research to assemble the information for this post. Unfortunately on health care the available information from the past is directly contradicted by Trump’s own words in this interview.

      Everybody will be covered, “the government” will pay for it, and it will be so much cheaper?


      • stella says:

        Trump came out in favor of universal health care more than 15 years ago. In 2011, he opposed Obamacare, and favored this:

        Increase insurance competition across state lines
        Even if we elect a real president who will get tough and repeal Obamacare, we still need a plan to bring down health-care costs and make health-care insurance more affordable for everyone. It starts with increasing competition between insurance companies. Competition makes everything better and more affordable.

        One way to infuse more competition into the market is to let citizens purchase health-care plans across state lines.

        This could be easily accomplished if Congress got some guts and did the right thing. The U.S. Constitution gives Congress control over interstate commerce. But for whatever reason, the Congress has never exercised this power regarding health insurance. They need to.
        Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.131 , Dec 5, 2011


        • Mike says:

          The problem isn’t insurance administration, rather it is inflated prices and costs without competitive prices, like overseas. It’s the FDA, federal and state regs choking off better treatment.

          Our experience with cancer, USD $50,000 – $60,000 ****per month***, everyone similar dead in 18- 24 months. Overseas, old drugs USD $500-$1000 per month, five year and going well. Dump the FDA and monopoly medicine.


      • stella says:


        Q: in 2000, you wrote that you’re a liberal on health care, and you supported a Canadian-style system, where the government acts as an insurer. Is that what you still believe?

        A: You know, I looked at that. I looked at it very seriously. Some people don’t agree with me on this: I want everyone to have coverage. I love the free market, but we never had a free market. Even before ObamaCare, it wasn’t really free market. As an example, in New York, when I wanted to bid out my health insurance, we had boundaries. I could only go in New York. If I wanted to bid it out to a company from California or New Jersey, anywhere–you get no bids.

        Q: But the single payer, you’re not interested anymore?

        A: No. No, these are different times. And over the years, you are going to change your attitudes. You’re going to learn things and you’re going to change. And I have evolved on that issue. I have evolved on numerous issues.


        • mariner says:

          I read both your comments “above”. Did you follow the link to Trump’s own words, spoken just last week?

          Do you have a way to reconcile your comments (and what sundance posted) with Trump’s own words?


          • stella says:

            You should go back to the source – the actual transcript from the interview, which took place last September (Sept 27, 2015). You may still not like it, but the edited clip leaves out a lot:

            Donald Trump: Obamacare’s going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what’s going on with premiums where they’re up 45, 50, 55 percent.

            Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

            Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private.” But–

            Scott Pelley: Universal health care?

            Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.

            Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of how?

            Donald Trump: They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably–

            Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

            Donald Trump: –the government’s gonna pay for it. But we’re going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it’s going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.


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    • stella says:

      truthandjustice, please read the entire transcript of the interview, which actually took place last September. The video leaves a lot out. You may still not like his position, but at least you will know exactly what he said:


  29. RINOKiller says:

    Here is what those elitest bastards don’t understand:



  30. wheatietoo says:

    Thanks for this, Sundance…both Part 1 and Part 2.
    I knew a lot of it, but I learned a few things, and it is great to have it written up for us like this.


  31. Honest Abbey says:

    I think I have a speech impediment ….. I keep reading “Trump Is Not Conservative” but when I speak those words, it comes out “Trump Is Not Canadian” ….. Weird!

    Liked by 6 people

  32. Millwright says:

    Another great piece, SD !! I agree with you ( and Mr. Trump) there’s world-beating economic potential latent in America, if we only elect someone willing and capable of freeing it from government-imposed hobbles lacking any scientific basis to justify their imposition. Foremost, IMO, are the massive tax codes imposing huge fiscal penalities on individuals and corporations alike. But the EPA, and DOT come in for their share as well since “cost-benefit” analyses are uniquely and obviously always missing from their projections.

    Can Mr. Trump triumph over the imbedded “forces of evil” rampant throughout our government ? Will – if DT succeeds in his quest – co-operate with his Oval Office to fundamentally change government ethos and ethics ? DT is a past master at “wheeling and dealing”, TBS, but he’s going to need long-term public support to “leverage” what I predict is going to be a recalcitrant Congress.

    As GTrump supporters, we need to be in this for the long haul !

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  33. shirley49 says:

    All you have to do is look at who is calling him a non Conservative. As if any of them care about Conservatism anymore. Is Bush, Fiorina, Pataki, Graham, Huckabee or any news media CONSERVATIVE, That would be no. Only care about it when they are losing. The establishment has proved to the American people who they really are by stabbing us in the back for years now. Now it is our turn.


  34. dizzymissl says:

    You should add abortion to this SD. Cruz and the rest of the liars are saying he supports partial birth abortion based on a video from 1999. However, in 2000, in his book The America We deserve, he says this:

    “There are some issues I don’t want to say much about. I support a woman’s right to choose, for example, but I am uncomfortable with the procedures. When Tim Russert asked me on Meet the Press if I would ban partial-birth abortion if I were president, my pro-choice instincts led me to say no. After the show, I consulted two doctors I respect and, upon learning more about this procedure, I have concluded that I would indeed support a ban.”

    And since then, like many people, he has changed his mind.


  35. jameswlee2014 says:

    These pundits are for open borders, amnesty, the importation of a couple hundred thousand of the barbarians currently raping their way through northern Europe, and common core, and Obamacare. Trump opposes these. Voters will draw their own conclusion on who is and who is not a conservative.


  36. flyingtigercomics says:

    Reblogged this on Flying Tiger Comics.


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