Donald Trump Right Again – Debate 2 Trump Warned: “Nobody’s Mentioning North Korea” – Today North Korea Tests Hydrogen Bomb…

Today:

September 17th, 2015 during the second GOP debate at the Ronald Reagan Library.  At 9:04pm Eastern Time Candidate Donald Trump became the only candidate, at any time, on any platform or debate stage, to mention the concerns with North Korea and nuclear weapons.

@54:28 …[…] and nobody ever mentions North Korea.   Where you have this maniac, sitting there, and he actually has nuclear weapons. And somebody better start thinking about North Korea, and perhaps a couple of other places, but certainly North Korea.

Ted and I have spoken, a lot of us have spoken, because we’re talking about Iran -and they are bad actors – bad things are going to happen – but in the meantime you have somebody right now in North Korea who’s got nuclear weapons, and who is saying almost every other week “I’m ready to use them”, and we don’t even mention it.  ~ Donald Trump

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The entire time Donald Trump is bringing up North Korea, candidate Jeb Bush is rolling his eyes and downplaying the concern.  Watch the video again to see Jeb’s expressions.

The Next day -Again Four Months Ago- (Discussing Debate #2) Trump appeared on Sean Hannity show and emphasized the same concern.  Watch:

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189 Responses to Donald Trump Right Again – Debate 2 Trump Warned: “Nobody’s Mentioning North Korea” – Today North Korea Tests Hydrogen Bomb…

  1. Serpentor says:

    What can you say? The man is prescient.

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    • Ziiggii says:

      The man is almost clairvoyant!

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      • archer52 says:

        Oh come on. He’s just a person. Not clairvoyant. Slow down.

        And his comments is that we aren’t paying attention to NK’s nukes? Seriously? That’s his clairvoyant moment? My son, who plays PS3, knows the NK’s have nukes.

        And as far as the N Koreans having a hydrogen bomb, I’ll wait for some kind of confirmation.

        Can they? Sure, maybe. I’ve not been inside the NK scientific community.

        I know this. When it’s dark outside in NK, it is dark ALL OVER NK! So it is not an advanced society at all. And it is run by a foul mouthed nutjob who will say and do anything to get attention. Because attention gets him money from China and other places. He’s that child you pay money to so he’ll keep quiet.

        Do you know why we have troops in SK? Not to keep NK from invading, but to keep SK from invading! And in truth, I’m not sure SK wants that stinking bag of cr**! It took West Germany thirty years to crawl out from under the assimilation of East Germany, and they are still trying to work it out. East Germany at least had power!

        I’ll give credit to Trump for a lot of things. Not this.

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        • Ziiggii says:

          I was joking Archer

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        • wtd says:

          re: “It took West Germany thirty years to crawl out from under the assimilation of East Germany, and they are still trying to work it out. ..”
          Despite the fact that Angela Merkel was born in West Germany…her formative years were thoroughly indoctrinated in East Germany.

          via wiki: “Religion played a key role in Angela Merkel’s migration to East Germany. Like most young people in the German Democratic Republic (East Germany), Merkel was a member of the Free German Youth (FDJ), the official youth movement sponsored by the ruling Socialist Unity Party. Later, at the Academy of Sciences, she became a member of the FDJ district board and secretary for “Agitprop” (Agitation and Propaganda). Merkel claimed that she was secretary for culture.”

          And from this tiny bit of background, we stand witness to the eternity of extreme shame Merkel is intent to condemn Germany.

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        • joshua says:

          oppan gangnam style……오빤 딱 내 스타일

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        • Bert Darrell says:

          Wishful thinking like you express is exactly what Mr. Trump has been warning us about. Hope you are right, but I think that the possibility of a “small hydrogen bomb” should worry at least some elected officials (maybe the president?), who are so busy trying to put tags on people who legitimately own fire arms and have done nothing wrong with them.

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        • I think Trump MAKES these things happen (I’m kidding, I’m kidding!)

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        • Rudy Bowen says:

          Twas only a bit of hyperbole, methinks. Harmless as regards this audience.

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      • PremAmerica says:

        No need to apologize for using the word “clairvoyant” Ziiggii. It is perfectly appropriate. I’ll use it if you don’t. Only a fool or a Trump hater can quibble about the usage of the word to mean “foresee events.”

        Trump DOES have a knack for using his intelligence to perceive broadly and anticipate things.

        For example, in Aug 2011 Trump tweeted out, “Qhaddafi is gone. What follows might be worse, just watch.” A year later Benghazi happened. 2 years later Libya became the fastest growing ISIS region. Was Trump “clairvoyant?” Archer can argue if he wishes. But Trump clearly foresaw the potential effects that would be caused by the deposing of Qhaddafi.

        It happens too often with Trump to not give him credit for his Foreign Policy Vision!

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        • Bon says:

          prem America It’s not that he is clairvoyant but that he has a knack for saying the right thing at the right time= he is caught up on what is happening around the world. I am not a fool but reading about political maneuvers ongoing around the world does give one some knowledge of what is, or will be, happening around him. He probably has several folks keeping him up to date on ongoing political tensions now occurring and will be occurring.
          He’s human, not supernatural.

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          • Rudy Bowen says:

            The take away is that he has precisely the skills and methodology a good President needs…and he is the only one running that does.

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    • Spar Harmon says:

      I don’t call that prescience, begging your pardon, I call that paying attention with a wide aperture. Moreover, it shows he has a discipline of thinking about what the information, data, he is taking in means. He reads; he thinks; he takes regular time to process what is going on; perhaps he even prays and contemplates with guidance of spirit – I think so. A lifetime discipline, I think, that is the foundation supporting all his visible accomplishment.

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      • NYGuy54 says:

        Exactly. Trump assembles details into a coherent narrative very quickly. He’s a very good decision maker. Contrast that with Carly. She does the same thing but comes up with some awful conclusions. Or Rubio. Or Jeb.

        I think the media gets fooled by his Queens brashness and attitude. They smugly translate that into a lack of critical thinking. And they are so wrong.

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    • smiley says:

      he’s not a grovelling patronizing two-faced politician.
      he’s a WAKE UP call.
      he’s a clarion call.
      he’s not playing politics.
      he’s STANDING UP to all that drivel.
      and he circumvents the polluted hypocritical fray with a heavy dose of reality.
      time after time, he’s consistent.

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    • Mike says:

      It’s time for Jeb! to quit so he can go practice his eye rolls on his egg rolls. Jeb! only contributes high costs, delay and misdirection to our national (in)security, along with his ignorant arrogance.

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    • bofh says:

      Prescient? I would say more likely that he has information from whistleblowers leaking from within the Intelligence Community – patriotic spooks that have had enough of the ValJar government and who can no longer bear being party to the lies and manipulation bringing about the active destruction of this country.

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      • AZshooterLSR says:

        That’s a very interesting POV. Thanks for bringing it up.

        Let’s hope that is really happening on a wide scale basis. I can’t believe that all government employees are as corrupt as Hillary and hate our country!!

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  2. TexasRanchQueen says:

    I heard on the radio while cleaning up the kitchen that there was a small earthquake in North Korea. Radio announcer said he didn’t think it was due to nuclear test. Now I see this article.

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    • Sentient says:

      The last President Clinton we had let Jimmy Carter negotiate with North Korea. Carter cut a deal that got rid of the threat of North Korea getting nukes. Oh wait …

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      • Tampa2 says:

        Sentient, It was always known. We both know it!

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      • USA Patriot says:

        It was not only Bill Clinton; GWB and Condi Rice kicked the NK A- Bomb can down the road for 8 agonizing years with their never ending Six Party talks, which just gave NK enough time to develop nukes. Crickets then from the GOP and their radio talking heads. Now once NK marries a nuke to an ICBM Ca. is a prime target and the nuclear blackmail and selling to Iran really begins.

        Trump was the “only one” voicing this PRESENT nuke threat from an existing madman and the left/right media says zero after the debate. Trump tomorrow needs to quickly tweet about this dangerous NK nuke threat that only he had the Global street savvy to recognize and warn us about. A possible Trump solution could be to put intense economic pressure on an already imploding Communist China to get NK to go from about 20 nukes to zero ASAP.

        The next day I would expect “me too” Ted to hijack this foreign policy issue from Donald.

        I think BEFORE Iowa Trump ought to do another Jimmy Fallon skit, but this time have Jimmy look like “me too” Ted with Donald just shrugging and patting Jimmy (as Ted) on his back every time he steals from him.

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        • Lee says:

          Not to mention if they could successive EMPs, the 1st one paralyzing CA, allowing a sub carrying a 2nd close enough to get in over the heartland.

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        • joshua says:

          Ted will read to us from the new book by Dr. Seuss..”North Korea turns Eggs Radioactive and Fries all the Ham at the same Time”

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      • oldtoenail says:

        Yes I remember this great achievement by Jimmy Carter. The US is so lucky to have great statesman like him. I am not sure the country will be around much longer
        if we continue to have these “great statesman”.

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    • Paul Blase says:

      Listening to the John Batchelor show on WMAL. It was certainly a nuke of some kind, although “hydrogen bomb” may be typical NK hyperbole.

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  3. stevendufresne says:

    Trump goes up another 5 points in the polls.

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    • USA Patriot says:

      North Korea earthquake bumps Trump up 5 points leaving the pointy head pundits puzzled. CNN Andrew Cumo and Fox’s Kraut, Will & Megyn can’t understand dumb Trump voters believing nuke story — they confirmed it was an earthquake from their trusted source — Bagdad Bob.

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  4. Martin says:

    As usual, Trump is ahead of the game. Here’s his interview with Hannity, tonight:

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    • USA Patriot says:

      Trump was excellent on Hannity and dissed Paul Ryan for giving the budget store away to Obama.

      LOL! Paul Ryan happen to be the next guest and basically said just give us the Presidency too — ahem, we did that Paul in GWB’s first term; Prez, Senate & House and we got No Child left Behind and wide open borders to name a few.

      Fool me once shame on ———————.

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    • americalsgt says:

      Thanks for posing this.

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  6. Wow! And the Norks did it without Obama even having to send a Clinton brother with a satchel full of money and nuclear secrets!

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    • azgary says:

      will they be selling them to Iran, or maybe just some of the older ones they are replacing with newer technology?

      thanks to the corker bill iran can get nukes or spend 150 BILLION DOLLARS buying them, no wonder slick teddy cruz gripes about the corker bill, but is he really hoping we forgot he sponsored and voted for it.

      oh I forgot, his support was supposed to be a “poison pill” ROFLMAO

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      • JeremyR says:

        The former military channel has a series on black ops. One show was about Israel taking out Syria’s Nuke program. At the start they mention a train accident in North Korea that killed a number of Syrian Physicists.
        While Israel ended Syria’s attempts at a nuke, it is likely that the NorKs are assisting others including Iran.
        What will be the next move on this crazy chess board we call earth?

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    • Doodahdaze says:

      He will send in an Obama Boy to stop this stuff.

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  7. freegz says:

    @amandacarpenter: Reminder: Wendy Sherman, who negotiated Clinton’s nuke deal with North Korea, negotiated the Iran nuke deal for Obama. #nukequake

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  8. rashamon says:

    A relative served two two-year commands on the DNZ in the last 12 years. Let me tell you, the North Koreans have no idea about the real world, and their present president only isolates them more with every day. Think about it. How much new tech or new info comes out for the real world to machinate and design opinions. These North Koreans barely know what happens beyond three feet of their fiefdom. I know intelligence crosses those borders with China and Japan, so I seriously don’t understand how a peoples can tolerate such a stifling government. Oh yes, heritage.

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    • aichawallaby says:

      They’re kind of kept in the dark:

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      • Sandra says:

        Is that for real? Amazing, and very depressing. Those poor citizens.

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        • Yes, I agree, but they are actually not really citizens. They have no rights, only responsibilities. Just as we are losing our own citizenship.

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        • rashamon says:

          What’s really sad is those bright marks on the map are probably areas where Americans have bases or underwrite productivity and industrialization. The U.S., no matter how much one hates the trend to global influence, has re-established growth in every country we’ve encountered in war. Edward Deming and his team rebuilt Japan, the Marshall Plan supported Europe, and South Korea can thank us for continuing protection from Asian hostilities.

          China is building islands our of nothing to establish territorial rights in the China Seas. At least, Trump acknowledges the threat. Where is Obama? Where is Congress? Hey, Wake the heck up!

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    • Notmeagain says:

      They have been brainwashed for generations and many probably really believe they are living in a wonderful kingdom with a protective patriarch who is keeping the outside enemy at bay. In a sense it is true, the South Koreans would be glad to knock out the Kims and their constant threats.

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  9. sundance says:

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  10. aWakenow says:

    This just shows, not just how smart Trump is…but how much our corrupt government leaders just turn a blinds eye and a deaf ear to everything that matters!! It is just sickening. I hope more and more of America in the next weeks and months, opens their eyes finally and see how the D’s and the R’s are all the same and they ARE NOT here to serve the needs of this country and citizens!

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  11. RVAguy says:

    Everyone seems to be missing the point that Trump’s comments radicalized the North Koreans and forced them to test the bomb.

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    • Ziiggii says:

      They were just moderate Koreans until they were radicalized by some pushy, brash bully!

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    • TexasRanchQueen says:

      Yeh, one man can force them to test the bomb.

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    • MrE says:

      {snort} Didn’t you hear? Kim Jong Un’s been using Trump’s speeches as a recruiting tool for weeks now.

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    • creeper00 says:

      Nicely played.

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    • joshua says:

      where they got the idea about Hydrogen in the First Place…just needed to weaponize it.

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    • Be Ge says:

      The point is you cannot really blame anyone for a desire to have whatever arms available. From the AR15 for individuals all the way up to nukes for countries. It is a fairly natural desire in our turbulent world. Anyone in any other position is either a hypocrite or an idiot, (or both). Wise men learn from other people mistakes, smart men learn from their own mistakes, idiots never learn. I believe we understand, from FBI stats on personal level, and history (for countries/nations) — like the curious cases of Czechoslovakia(1938), Poland(1939) or Ukraine(2014) — that disarming is not really a good idea, and the so called “international laws” and “security assurances” are not worth the paper they are printed on. So, disarmament… is not a good idea for us, but a good idea for tovarishch great heir Kim? I understand Western people at times like to treat non-Westerners as sorta idiots to an extent, but THAT extent, really?
      The above said, I do have some doubts about the Teller-Ulam/Sakharov-Zeldovich nature of the device mr. Kim the Great Heir has blown, it is not that good an economy to really afford expensive toys. A primitive nuke (or a railway train with HE — they can do those tricks, and it is hard to make sure what it was) is one thing, a full-blown high-tech delivery system (something they don’t quite have at the moment) with appropriate Teller-Ulam warheads is a bit a different thing, which I doubt they would be able to afford given new santions/restrictions, even if 95% of the population starts living by early middle ages standards. But if that’s what they want — they can all live in middle ages and die from hunger or some epidemic or whatever. We could help. Seriously.

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  12. sundance says:

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  14. Sandra says:

    I haven’t been watching the news at all for several days and saw this CTH article and gasped out loud. This is so bad. I am kind of fascinated by how the two types of nuclear bombs work and I know quite well the general functioning of a fusion bomb. It’s more complicated than a fission bomb. In fact, I think in most cases a fusion bomb actually uses a fission bomb to set off the fusion reaction. The power of these things is immense. The Russians had set off the largest one, I think.

    I don’t want to be overly paranoid or melodramatic, but it was great knowing you all. Just want to say that.

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    • Sandra says:

      USGS has the “earthquake” on their map. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/

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    • TexasRanchQueen says:

      Sandra, are you really one of those girl actors on the “Big Bang Theory”? Your knowledge on fission and fusion bombs is not normal to me, but I digress. Great knowing you too, except I really never knew you.

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      • Sandra says:

        I’m a nerd. I love all things science. My obsession with nuclear bombs started when I decided that I wanted to thoroughly understand the chemical reaction of a fission bomb. The learning was so fantastic that I decided to do the same with a fusion bomb. This video excerpt has a good high level explanation of the first US H-bomb. If you don’t have time to watch the entire thing (12 mins), start at 02:41.

        I am seriously stunned by this news. The last thing we need is a nut case with any type of nuclear bomb.

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        • seventhndr says:

          If you are going to geek out, geek out.😉


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          • Sandra says:

            Oooh, thanks for those videos! That’s almost two hours of viewing pleasure, will have to wait until tomorrow night.

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            • jello333 says:

              It’s been a long time since I read this book, but from what I remember it was really fascinating… and kinda scary.

              http://www.amazon.com/Mushroom-The-story-A-bomb-kid/dp/0688033512

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            • Sandra says:

              I just finished watching the first video. It’s great! It confirmed what I already knew and also added to my knowledge. (Example: I knew that at least some fusion bombs utilize a fission bomb to start the fusion process, but I did not know that ALL fusion bombs are built this way.) I think this video is suitable for someone who has little or no knowledge of how these bombs work and who has very limited knowledge of chemistry or physics. Matthew Bunn does a great job as an instructor, his pacing is excellent, his explanations are clear, and I love that throws in some interesting examples and comparisons. Shoot, this almost makes me want to go back to school. 🙂 I’m going to take a break and watch part 2 in just a little while. Thank you so much for posting these videos, seventhndr!

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              • Sandra says:

                I finished watching the second video. While it wasn’t as exciting as the first, it was very very interesting. Enrichment (uranium) and reprocessing (plutonium). Once again Bunn did a great job, not just explaining the technical details but also the political issues. If any of you don’t have time to watch both videos but are interested in the politics of nuclear energy and nuclear weapons, and the difficulty of monitoring countries that wish to have nuclear energy, the second video is probably the best one to watch. Again, thank you for posting the videos, seventhndr.

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        • Sandra says:

          No matter how many times I watch this video, this part amazes me: “Million-degree X-rays outrun the blast wave”. They have to detonate the fusion part of the bomb before the fission part, which is detonated first, blows the entire bomb apart (and then you’d end up with a fission-only bomb). The X-rays from the fission explosion are quicker than the blast wave and they set off the fusion reaction just in time. It all happens in “a few millionths of a second”. It’s astounding. Somewhat easy to understand in this high level view, but the actual construction is not at all simple. My fear is turning to doubt. I’m not convinced North Korea successfully detonated a fusion bomb. Maybe they attempted to but it blew apart before the fusion reaction was able to start. That could explain why the yield was low, equivalent to their fission test in 2013.

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        • joshua says:

          sanda, I agree….I first got fascinated with science when santa claus brought me a Gilbert Chemistry Set in 1956….and here is a picture of one of my experiments…

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          • Sandra says:

            Haha! Are you kind of amazed that you didn’t take several layers of skin off your body or set your house on fire? They kinds of toys we played with back in the day… someone in my household also had a chemistry set, my brother had toys that heated up to 3rd degree burn-inducing temps (and so did I, later) … it’s amazing any of us are alive and intact.🙂

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            • joshua says:

              and the kit had a bottle of POWDERED MAGNESIUM in it as well as powdered ZINK…man, I learned to make gunpowder, and how to put powdered magnesium on a scrubby pad and wire the pad to a light switch and put a cherry bomb on top of the whole mess with some powdered sulfur on top….when my dad turned on the stairway lights, he nearly had a heart attack, and I ran off for the entire day to not have to face him…..yep, we were all going to become astronauts, just did not know anything about astronauts then because there weren’t any….and the phones had a round dialing mechanism instead of buttons too…..I love our nation for what it was, and CAN BE AGAIN.
              Trumpets 2016…….NOMOJUGEARS….

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      • Kent says:

        Suggested reading…

        The Hydrogen Bomb: The Basics at atomicarchive dot com

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    • RVAguy says:

      Don’t worry. The North Koreans don’t have the submarine-launched ballistic missiles working yet.
      (from November 2015)
      http://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korea-said-to-try-missile-launch-from-submarine-1448885264

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    • joshua says:

      Obama can stop North Korea dead in its tracks merely using his pen and his phone…and still have time to make the back nine before sunset.

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      • lorac says:

        Nah, the quickest solution is for Harf to hold up a small poster board, on which she has written the hashtag: #North Korea, please stop being mean! THAT wlll take care of it. Or MO with a similar card but instead of it saying, “let our girls go”, it could say “be nice to our girls”..

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  15. feralcatsblog says:

    And, of course, North Korea is China’s pet Pit Bull and if it bites, China is responsible.

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  16. Doodahdaze says:

    (LEAD) White House condemns any violation of U.N. resolution, vows never to accept N.K. as nuclear state
    No problemo. Obama does not accept the Norks as a nuke state. Be calm. Do not panic. He has got this. Much bigger threat is a white man owning a gun.
    http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northkorea/2016/01/06/0401000000AEN20160106006251315.html

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  17. liberty2828 says:

    Dutchsinse is followed for his accurate earthquake predictions.

    Living in California I follow his work and it is amazing what he does!

    He explains in this youtube about the blast and the great risk of further earthquakes caused by this insane test. No good at all.

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    • Sandra says:

      If any of that ground blew up into the sky, it’s going to rain on down over whatever area the wind blows it. USGS shows the depth as 0.0, maybe that’s what they use if they don’t have any verification of local instrumentation.

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  18. Ok, so the smart people know that Trump has been a visionary in business and most notably real estate since he began. So maybe, just maybe he might be a visionary with anything…I have no idea why I would think that, I mean he foresaw the problems that would come from destabilizing Iraq, he foresaw Osama Bin Laden being a huge problem and said he should be taken out in 2000, documented in his book that came out a year before the trade center attack. He said bomb and take the oil 3 years ago when referring to ISIS to take away their revenue stream of a million dollars per day. They just start now after ridiculing him, even using generals to do so on talk shows. Now he basically is the only one to say hey you better watch North Korea because they have nuclear capability and they say they will use them and this happens…

    Seriously people do we need to debate who is the right person for the job anymore? It’s almost laughable at this point when you add in his actual job creating background, known negotiating skills and absolute unwavering love for this country.

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    • Bill says:

      I think when it comes to things like NK Trump has good intel. He has ex-military and ex three letter agency types (and possibly current ones too) that he consults with who are still close enough to the action to let him know whats going on. Obama knew about this all along he just doesn’t give a f and acts mildly hot and bothered in public when it happens. Obama cares about the house he bought in HI, his next golf game and his future speaking circuit. Trump cares about the country and is saying out loud what many insiders know.

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    • joshua says:

      well…Bill Clinton insists that it all depends upon what the definition of “is” is…..

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  19. Sandra says:

    I’m glad to see some skepticism reported in this article: http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-hydrogen-bomb-claim-2016-1 Doubt involves the small estimated size of this explosion, is just about the same as a 2013 fission bomb test. Still, the fact that nutcase is setting off any type of nuclear weapons is deeply disturbing.

    I’m recalling the Chernobyl disasster. No seismic activity for it, the west first learned that something had happened when staff at a reactor in Sweden I think started detecting excess radioactivity. The fallout had travelled to them.

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    • Rex says:

      Ah, yes. “Peace in our time”.

      How soon the media “forgets” the Clintonistas that made this (and other) crisis possible.

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  20. Millwright says:

    well, ecp,, its not so much a “debate” as it is creating the force essential to thwart the “uniparty’s” nefarious conspiracy to prevent the “will of the people” from being expressed ! To paraphrase a friend’s oft uttered shibbolethic iteration of a W.F. Buckley idiom, “…the best electable candidate…..” DT is the “best candidate for our times”, but we have to get him elected !

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  21. Sandra says:

    OK, I know this joke is wearing thin on some of you, but I just cannot hold myself back ….

    Cool earthquake, Kim! Want to set one off from the White House?

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  22. As someone who studies DPRK and who has been to the country many times– and not as a tourist– I’d like to offer some perspective based on first-hand experiences there. I recognize at the outset that what I say will be contrary to what “everyone knows”, and it is likely to generate emotional reactions and probably set me up for personal attacks. But here goes:

    DPRK does not want a war with the US or anyone else. It claims to have nuclear (and now hydrogen) weapons purely for self-defense. Unlike the US, DPRK in its official statement today said that it would never use nuclear weapons first, nor would it transfer the technology to others. I have no doubt that that is actually their policy. DPRK leadership looks at what the US does overseas, and ignores what the US says. It has learned the lesson of Munich: that if one concedes, it only leads to more demands. DPRK knows that a war with the US would mean the end of its existence. By the same token, DPRK leadership knows that the US has launched numerous wars to topple foreign governments (Bosnia, Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Syria) and is determined not to become a victim of international progressivism.

    Personal opinion: the DPRK has a right to its own system and the US has no right to interfere. Just as the US has a right to our system and DPRK has no right to interfere. That’s the conservative world view, and it keeps the peace.

    DPRK media has shown the same video clips of the same Mig-21s (1950’s technology), the same flame-throwing tanks (1970s technology), and the same high-speed patrol boats (1980s technology) over and over and over again. Night after night. Yet their claim to have nuclear and hydrogen weapons lacks any similar video “bragging.” In that sense, DPRK’s nuclear weapons are not being presented in the normal way DPRK promotes its weapons. If you look at flight corridors on Flightaware.com, you can see how many commercial planes fly right alongside DPRK airspace. And yet no one on any of these flights saw anything during any claimed test before, nor today. In fact, many airlines such as Cathay Pacific fly directly over DPRK airspace (with permission) every day. Again, no one saw anything. I reject the proposition that it is possible to set off a hydrogen bomb in such a crowded part of the world without generating tremendous, impossible to hide, visual evidence that would be apparent to many in that very crowded part of the world. It is simply not credible.

    Fact: Columbia University’s Earth Institute concluded that claims that DPRK tested a bomb in 2010 were, quote, “false.”

    Another personal opinion: DPRK is bluffing. It didn’t detonate an atomic bomb several years ago and it didn’t detonate a hydrogen bomb today. But it certainly works to the country’s benefit for others to believe that it did.

    Having said all this, “North Korea” has been used as false-narrative threat by politicians of both parties for generations. Against that background, President Trump’s statement about not hearing anything about the country in the context of the debate with ¡Yeb! was pure genius. It absolutely pulls the rug out from underneath Bush, and he did so to his credit. It is yet another example of how astute President Trump is at managing the media to his advantage, even when (as in the case of DPRK) the media’s presentation are based on lies.

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    • zephyrbreeze says:

      That’s actually quite heartening, and makes a lot of sense. Why wouldn’t they be worried, when they see how we behaved in those countries you mentioned? They don’t have a delusional rationale for seething hatred of the US, unlike the Mullahs Besides, we’ve been providing them with food for years. That has to count for something.

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    • wizzum says:

      They detonate the bombs deep underground. An airliner would have no idea if a nuke was tested or not.

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    • rashamon says:

      Bull. Then let their people go.

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    • Trent Telenko says:

      I call bravo sierra on this.

      Fact:

      One hundred 2005 era desk tops networked together as a distributed super computer have more computing power than was available to all the American weapons designers for the _entire_history_of_the_US_Cold_War_nuclear_weapons_program COMBINED..

      And is it wasn’t true for one hundred 2005 era desktops, it is damned well true for 2010 desktops.

      Note: We are in 2016.

      Fact Next: The Nork’s nuclear weapons program is an international one with Iran, Pakistan and China.

      Easy Deduction — the Nork’s just tested the miniaturized nuclear device going into the war head on Iran’s new ICBM. The ICBM Obama won’t start sanctions on.

      I’m glad Trump noticed these facts WRT North Korea’s nukes before this device was tested.

      Have a nice day.

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    • joshua says:

      your focus is on armament and technology as a government policy tool. But the USA has long looked at NK and many dictator states under the “human rights” umbrella, and found that when a nation abuses and murders its citizens, the issue or arms and intent re OTHER nations is trumped by the belief that someone must speak up and provide defense for the human individual, not the governing body anywhere that liberty is subverted to tyranny. The USA could wipe out most of the nations on the Earth. That is NOT our goal nor our value system. Our human experiment in liberty and human rights is often very flawed in execution, but is UNIQUE as founded in the words and teachings of our God and our Savior….like it or not, we transcend the limitations of armament that way.

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    • freeperjim says:

      FACT: DPRK is a leftwing communist dicktatorship
      FACT: Leftwing communists lie
      FACT: Anyone defending lying, leftwing communists are either insanely naive or disseminating leftwing communist propaganda

      I call Bernie Sanders (BS) on “realgary” post who appears to be a member of CPUSA.

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    • Sandra says:

      A country might have a right to defend itself, including with nuclear weapons, but please don’t discount the fact that the current leader is an absolute blazing nutcase. As in mentally ill. One of the nuttiest leaders we’ve seen in modern history.

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      • Trent Telenko says:

        Irrational nations with nukes are a threat to everyone within range of their nuclear delivery systems.

        The only rational response is a surprise pre-emptive nuclear attack on such a regime before they get the delivery systems to reach you.

        The irrational response to irrational nuclear states is first diplomacy. Then followed by a as big a second nuclear strike as you can muster after the irrational state strikes first with nukes you let them build.

        Guess which policy option American leaders have followed for 26-years.

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        • I agree with your thinking. However, I disagree with the premise. I don’t see any evidence of the DPRK acting in an “irrational” manner, which is to say without reason. That’s not to say that we agree with DPRK’s policies, many of which are obviously inimical to US policy in the region. There is a difference between not agreeing with something and thinking that it is per se irrational because of it.

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      • I haven’t seen any evidence that the leadership is mentally ill. Generations of Americans have been saying that from the first Kim to the present. We may not agree with DPRK on policy, and that’s fine. But I think it’s helpful to examine the situation dispassionately.

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        • Sandra says:

          Policy difference? Really? Your posts are beginning to creep me out.

          Under the rule of Kim Jong-Un, North Korea remains among the most harshly repressive countries in the world. All basic freedoms have been severely restricted under the Kim family’s political dynasty. A 2014 UN Commission of Inquiry found that abuses in North Korea were without parallel in the contemporary world. They include extermination, murder, enslavement, torture, imprisonment, rape, forced abortions, and other sexual violence. North Korea operates a series of secretive prison camps where perceived opponents of the government are sent to face torture and abuse, starvation rations, and forced labor. Fear of collective punishment is used to silence dissent. There is no independent media, functioning civil society, or religious freedom.

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          • Hi Sandra,

            I have read those same things. I have also been to the country. I am not a fan of the UN, look what it’s doing in Europe and the US; it is the organization that is importing Muslims into both areas.

            Just consider my perspective, that’s all I ask. If there are “secretive” prison camps how can we know about them? As for no religious freedom, I attend church every time I am there. Openly.

            No, it is not like the US. The average person’s life is horrible compared to ours. But it is my opinion based on experience there that that is the result of poverty, not political cruelty.

            At every rally, President Trump points to the camera and says, “so dishonest. They’re scum.” He’s right. They lie about him and they lie about everything else as well. It was my experiences in DPRK that opened my eyes to how much the mass media lies about everything. Massive gang rapes of European women by Muslim men? Crickets. Blacks killing more blacks on a long weekend in Chicago than were lynched by whites in the south in all of US history? Crickets. Criminal gangs flooding across our borders? Crickets.

            I recognize that my perspective is unusual and I appreciate your courteous disagreement.

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            • Sandra says:

              You keep talking about being in North Korea and having first-hand experience, but in another post (below) you wrote:

              Last time I was in the country, there was an earthquake near Pyongyang.

              The last earthquake near Pyongyang occurred in 1992. Have you been in North Korea since Kim Jong Un took over?

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    • Ziiggii says:

      Another personal opinion: DPRK is bluffing. It didn’t detonate an atomic bomb several years ago and it didn’t detonate a hydrogen bomb today. But it certainly works to the country’s benefit for others to believe that it did.

      While you may be correct in your second claim re: the H-bomb not being detonated, as seen in the Daily Mail article below, how would you explain the magnitude 5.1 earthquake that was detected roughly 13 miles to the NE of Sungjibaegam, DPRK that just so happens to be the location of this known nuclear facility?

      North Korea does have A-bomb technology: its first three nuclear tests, from 2006 to 2013, were devices on roughly the same scale as the ones used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
      Crispin Rovere, an Australia-based nuclear policy and arms control specialist, said: ‘The seismic data that’s been received indicates that the explosion is probably significantly below what one would expect from an H-bomb test. ‘So initially it seems to be that they’ve successfully conducted a nuclear test, but unsuccessfully completed the second-stage hydrogen explosion.’
      Bruce Bennett, a senior defense analyst with the Rand Corporation, also said the detonation had clearly failed. He said: ‘If it were a real H-bomb, the Richter scale reading should have been about a hundred times more powerful.’

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3386367/Magnitude-5-1-earthquake-detected-close-North-Korean-nuclear-test-site-trigger-concerns-country-conducted-new-atomic-explosion.html

      For further reading on DPRK complete with satellite imagery of the location and monitored activity, go here:
      http://38north.org/2015/12/punggye123015/

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      • Well, from a logical standpoint, I don’t have to explain an earthquake. I could be wrong about DPRK bluffing, of course. But proponents of a hydrogen test carry the burden of proof, I don’t have to prove a negative. Last time I was in the country, there was an earthquake near Pyongyang. Last week, there was a 4.8 earthquake near where I live. This morning, there was one in California. As you know, there are earthquakes all over the world all the time, every day. http://earthquake.usgs.gov So it may be simple coincidence. Note that I’m not saying that it is, I’m saying that it may be.

        The Daily Mail does not have a single correspondent anywhere in the DPRK, so I am extremely skeptical about such articles. Most western media simply republish material from Yonhap and other South Korean sources, which also do not have reporters in the country. It has been my personal experience that what the media publishes about the DPRK has very little relationship to reality.

        38North does indeed have some knowledgeable contributors.

        The DPRK is a fascinating place, It tends to inspire deep emotional responses in people in ways that other countries do not (this can be seen in some of the comments). Of course, that’s true of me as well. But I urge people to try to put emotion aside and be very skeptical of what is written about the place in mass media. Like I said, I have been to the country many times, and that ought to count for something. The DPRK is actually not a leftist country. Leftism is unprincipled, raw power. In fact, the DPRK operates according to very well-known principles and may (note, may) be the world’s only explicitly anti-Leftist state. The country has not referred to itself as “communist” since 1971, and has since explicitly renounced Marxism-Leninism which is now referred to as “previous theory.” Besides, words like “communist” do not translate very well across languages and cultures. In the North Korean context, “communist” may have meant something along the lines of “neighboring countries who are also fighting the Japanese and are opposed to American presence in Asia.” Kim Il Sung was very serious about not falling into the Leftist trap of consuming itself a la Stalin’s purges and NKVD terror. He was very explicit about this. Official media has published those views for a reason. There are private businesses in the DPRK, some of which are quite substantial. So it is quite different from the “Stalinist” label typically affixed to it.

        In any event, I don’t want to hijack the thread. From a political campaign perspective, ¡Yeb! got Trumped on the issue, no doubt about it.

        By the way, I really enjoyed your insights into law enforcement in San Bernardino. Do you have a website?

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        • Ziiggii says:

          Thank you for the compliment (it’s a nice way to deflect/obfuscate from the conversation), but no I do not have a website. I hang out here in the Treehouse with all the more seasoned bloggers, like you, observing and learning.

          And I wouldn’t worry about “hijack[ing] the thread”, because I think the comment thread you started here is relevant since, I assume by your original comment (and follow up), you seem to disagree with the premise of SD’s article that Trump is correct and we (the USA) have no need to worry about the NORKs because “DPRK does not want a war with the US or anyone else. It claims to have nuclear (and now hydrogen) weapons purely for self-defense.” Now this will sound rude and it’s not intended to be, but sorry that – as well as your obfuscation of “the earthquake may be simple coincidence” and “western media not having a presence in country” – sounds like pure DPRK propaganda speak to me personally.

          I’d love to know why you were in country on multiple occasions and how? Did you have the normal chaperons while there? I’ve heard that outside of Pyongyang the entire country is like stepping back into the 1940’s.

          First off, yes earthquakes do happen all over the world all day everyday. So again you are correct in that the particular earthquake that occurred yesterday in the NE part of the peninsula could be simply a coincidence. But,

          Historical earthquakes occurred all over the peninsula; however, the northeastern part appears relatively less seismic, probably due to the area being less disrupted during the Mesozoic.

          http://bssa.geoscienceworld.org/content/96/3/846.short

          I would suggest reading a few of the articles referenced at the bottom of that page. The NE area of the peninsula where the quake occurred is not a highly active seismic area and when there is one, rarely does it reach higher than a magnitude 4.0.

          Secondly, there are no western media correspondents anywhere in the North. The state news agency, the Korean Central News Agency, provides the only source of information for all media outlets in North Korea. EVERYTHING is controlled; all information coming in and out of the country. That is why almost all western media rely on Yonhap and the other South Korean sources. (where do you think we get most of our regular intel) And when there are western media outlets allowed to report from within the country the government try’s to mold any information that is gathered. Just look at what they did with Lisa Ling when she did the documentary for NatGeo. Reporters without Boarders has consistently ranked NORK as one of the worst countries for freedom of the press in its yearly Press Freedom Index since it was first issued in 2002. That’s not to mention the government being constantly accused of human rights violations and suppressing it’s peoples freedom of speech.

          As far as their “supreme leader” being accused of mental stability, well, I’ll say there is reason to question ones mental state when that person has his own uncle and extended family executed just to “make our party and revolutionary ranks purer…”.

          I have no emotional ties to the Korea’s (I’m 38), pretty much the only personal connection I have to the region is a family that was from outside of Seoul that my in-laws were ministering to while they were here in the states for PhD work and multiple buddies that were stationed along the DMZ. So I have no bias “lens” that I am viewing through.

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          • Ziiggii,

            I wasn’t trying to obfuscate, that’s why I put my comments about your contribution to the San Bernardino at the end.

            What is reported in our media is skewed. For example, AP has an office in Pyongyang. KoryoLink is the national wireless carrier and ISP. It is a partnership between Korea Post Telecom and Orascom, an Egyptian conglomerate that has also been hired to finally complete construction of the Ryugyong hotel (the local joke is that the Koreans had to hire the Egyptians to complete their pyramid). I am unable to access gmail or Facebook in China, but am able to access both in DPRK. Obviously, the average citizen doesn’t have access to that, but the number is growing. The average citizen in Burkina Fasso also doesn’t have such access either. Germany censors Facebook and Facebook censors its users’ posts (try posting “hate speech” and see what happens). My point is that access to the products of western media companies may not be the best or most insightful point of evaluation of an entire country.

            Just to be clear, I am in no way suggesting that I would like to trade places with the average DPRK citizen; far from it. It is hardly the “socialist fairyland” that DPRK media claims it to be. But the prevailing view of the country as presented in our media isn’t accurate either.

            I’ll say it another way: Trump absolutely trumped Bush over this issue. And it was brilliant domestic politics. However, I also believe that a North Korean bomb– if one exists– is a red herring because it absolutely can’t be used for compellence or as anything other than a suicide device. It is deterrence at best. Pakistan and India both have bombs, and I am much more concerned about them than DPRK having one. If one games it out, the only situation in which DPRK would use such a weapon offensively would be actual insanity. That may be why that claim has been made about three generations of Kims.

            Jang Song-thaek was executed not out of a rabid irrational hatred for a relative, but for corruption. He had been purged three times for corruption. The final straws were two things he did that conflict with DPRK laws. First, he encumbered property by leasing it to companies from “a large country” (which I assume to mean China) for 50 years at below market rates and personally pocketing the profits. Given the disparate bargaining power I suspect that DPRK just has to sit there and take it and can’t abrogate the leases without incurring huge costs elsewhere. Secondly, he exported raw minerals (also presumably to China), also at below-market rates. This second one was a major no-no for development and self-sufficiency reasons. DPRK officials believe that exporting raw materials is inimical to economic development because the materials should be processed in Korea so the added value stays in Korea. One can debate whether or not that is sound economic development policy, but it is in fact the existing policy. As for the execution of his extended family, I am extremely skeptical of that claim (which, I realize, you are not making up; it has been repeated in much western media).

            Your sources about the countryside are correct. It is indeed like a time machine: wood-burning tractors and trucks with Model A engines. To be fair, that is also true of much of rural China. If I gave you the impression that I thought you were being emotional about DPRK, that was not my intention. I find your writing to be reasoned. That was a reference to some extremely emotional responses I have encountered when I talk about my experiences there (and also online. See, for example, one of the comments on this thread).

            It is my opinion that the DPRK is terrified of war with the US which is precisely why it claims to have more weapons than it does. Which barks more, the small dog or the large dog?

            I’m going to let this go. I blog under a pseudonym so I can say what I really think. I would be happy to discuss the circumstances of my presence there offline. Please contact me privately if you’re interested: realgaryseven@gmail.com.

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          • Hi Ziiggii,

            I had a long reply to this that must have gotten eaten by the WordPress monster. It happens.

            I’d be happy to tell you about what I do there, offline. If you’re interested, please contact me at realgaryseven@gmail.com

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        • Sandra says:

          I did a search of the USGS archives. There are very few earthquakes in North Korea. The last earthquake in Pyongyang was in 1992. The latest seismic activity was in pretty much the exact same place as the prior nuclear tests. The seismic activity was analyzed by experts and determined to be a nuclear test. (I suspect it’s pretty easy to distinguish a blast and an earthquake.) I trust their judgement. Now, was it a fusion bomb? I’m doubtful. But it could have been a standard fission bomb, we know they know how to make them and have tested them before.

          If you want to see what I’m looking at, go here: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#{%22feed%22%3A%221452137771359%22%2C%22search%22%3A{%22id%22%3A%221452137771359%22%2C%22name%22%3A%22Search%20Results%22%2C%22isSearch%22%3Atrue%2C%22params%22%3A{%22starttime%22%3A%221900-01-01%2000%3A00%3A00%22%2C%22maxlatitude%22%3A43.267%2C%22minlatitude%22%3A37.405%2C%22maxlongitude%22%3A130.825%2C%22minlongitude%22%3A123.486%2C%22minmagnitude%22%3A1%2C%22endtime%22%3A%222016-01-06%2023%3A59%3A59%22%2C%22orderby%22%3A%22time%22}}%2C%22listFormat%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%22newest%22%2C%22basemap%22%3A%22grayscale%22%2C%22autoUpdate%22%3Afalse%2C%22restrictListToMap%22%3Atrue%2C%22timeZone%22%3A%22utc%22%2C%22mapposition%22%3A[[37.34395908944491%2C120.12451171875]%2C[43.33316939281732%2C134.18701171875]]%2C%22overlays%22%3A{%22plates%22%3Atrue}%2C%22viewModes%22%3A{%22help%22%3Afalse%2C%22list%22%3Atrue%2C%22map%22%3Atrue%2C%22settings%22%3Afalse}}

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          • Thanks, Sandra.

            I experienced an earthquake in Pyongyang in March of 2014. We may have to check a Chinese or Japanese geo sight for confirmation, but I was there and felt it as did others. I live in the Pacific Northwest where they are more common than elsewhere.

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  23. bertdilbert says:

    So Trump says Iran can now purchase a nuke with the 180 billion we gave them. NK maybe looking for some hard currency and today’s nuke test could be a showoff of goods to an Iranian purchase. Given Trumps uncanny foresight…

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  24. robertnotsowise says:

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  25. emet says:

    The other question is, who has N Korea sold nukes to?

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    • Doodahdaze says:

      Iran? They are testing for Iran? No doubt. It is going to be nuke or be nuked soon. Obama is in bed with our enemy.

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    • Sandra says:

      Fortunately freaky Kim Jong Un is probably too paranoid to sell his nukes to anyone else, they might use them against him. He wants control.

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  26. hocuspocus13 says:

    Reblogged this on hocuspocus13 and commented:

    jinxx♦xoxo

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  27. Doodahdaze says:

    The Norks have the H-Bomb and an ICBM now. Iran has the A-Bomb ready to go by now and an ICBM. All this thanks to weak knee repubs and donk crats. We are gonna get nuked.

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    • Rudy Bowen says:

      And it won’t really matter if it’s fission or fusion, kilotons or megatons if you live near Seattle or similar like I do.

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  28. Doodahdaze says:

    The same lib female nut case negotiated the Nork deal to stop them from getting nukes, and the Iran deal. Wendy Sherman. A complete idiot. Both the Norks and the Iranians get nukes with this imbecile running the show.

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    • Susan M. says:

      Guess she is on the Promotion list now. But, what difference does it make? We are in deep N. Korean dung.

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    • joshua says:

      I had a 1956 sports car whose leather upholstery looked a lot like Wendy Sherman’s neck…cost a fortune to get the wrinkles and folds out of that mess….never was quite right….

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    • Sandra says:

      Look at her bio. She’s yet another ivy league political incompetent with zero relevant education or experience to deal with national security issues. Twice appointed by the Clintons. What did she do to get these jobs? A person with a degree in social work from Smith is not suitable to be any sort of security adviser or negotiator.

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  29. Jill says:

    “Today, after 16 months of intense and difficult negotiations with North Korea, we have completed an agreement that will make the United States, the Korean Peninsula, and the world safer. Under the agreement, North Korea has agreed to freeze its existing nuclear program and to accept international inspection of all existing facilities.”

    Bill Clinton October 18, 1994

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  30. Centinel2012 says:

    Reblogged this on Centinel2012 and commented:

    Trump does have the knack for knowing what is in the cards!

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  31. jackmcg says:

    I’m starting to believe Trump actually time travels.

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  32. H Hutto says:

    OH, have no fear. As soon as SoS Kerry (who served in Vietnam, dontchaknow) gets over there and convinces the NorK’s that Global Warming is the confirmed consensus and settled science. Kim Dung Ung will then devote all his time to developing Unicorn Flatulence Converters. For peaceful purposes, of course.
    /s yeah, right.

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    • joshua says:

      Instead of taking James Taylor with him to sing to Dung Ung…..Kerry will take Psy with him to present a gangnam style RESET button to help make everything cool between North and South Korea again…..heck, Kerry things all Asians are the same…Vietnam, Korean, Chinese, anyone that eats dogs….all the same for Kerry…..

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  33. Sandra says:

    A Washington Post article has the headline “White House: No evidence to support North Korean ‘hydrogen bomb’ claim”, and I was thinking there IS evidence to support their claim, but it’s probably not likely that it was a fusion bomb. Then I read the article and all I can find is this:

    But White House spokesman Josh Earnest said initial data from various monitoring sources were “not consistent with North Korean claims of a successful hydrogen bomb test.”

    “Not consistent” and “no evidence” are not equivalent. I hope WaPo just went overboard with its headline and Earnest really didn’t use the “no evidence” phrase.

    Some of the doubt is coming from the estimated yield of around 10 kilotons which is certainly low for a fusion bomb. But we need to keep in mind that while fusion bombs can have a much higher yield they can be low yield. Unlike uranium or plutonium cores in fission bombs which must be sufficiently massive to support a self-sustaining chain reaction, I think you can use just about any amount of fusion material (e.g., tritium). Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

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  34. realitycheck6 says:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-nuclear-idUSKBN0UK0G420160106

    “While a nuclear test had long been expected, North Korea’s assertion that it exploded a hydrogen device, much more powerful than an atomic bomb, came as a surprise. The White House said North Korea might not in fact have tested a hydrogen bomb.”

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  35. A little rhyme I remember from my youth:

    To smash the tiny atom, all mankind was intent
    Now, any day the atom may return the complement!

    Anonymous

    Sorry, I couldn’t help it.

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  36. Kent says:

    Electromagnetic pulse….and the cause of the “low yield” the “experts” are bloviating about.

    It takes a hydrogen bomb to accomplish an EMP. The low yield is the result of the explosion crating gamma waves instead of kinetically destructive force.

    google “Pry-North Korea’s H-Bomb a threat to U.S.

    “orth Korean dictator Kim Jong-Un claims to have tested an H-Bomb, in his fourth overt nuclear test since 2006. “Experts” in the press are widely dismissing his claim because the apparent yield, like the other 3 nuclear tests, is in the neighborhood of 10 kilotons or less. The “experts” associate H-Bombs, also called thermonuclear weapons, with very high-yields, equivalent to millions of tons of TNT (megatons).

    However, there is another kind of H-Bomb.

    Enhanced Radiation Weapons such as Super-EMP weapons are essentially very low-yield H-Bombs, that typically have yields of 1-10 kilotons, just like the North Korean device. Thus, Kim Jong-Un could be telling the truth.

    Indeed, all four North Korean nuclear tests look like a Super-EMP weapon because of their very low yield. That the “Dear Leader” describes the latest test as an H-Bomb is further evidence that North Korea’s mysterious nuke is a Super-EMP warhead.

    A Super-EMP warhead would be a greater threat to the United States than the most powerful H-Bomb ever built.”

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    • Kent says:

      (continued)….

      “big H-Bomb could blast New York or Los Angeles into rubble. But an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack could blackout the North American electric grid and all the life sustaining critical infrastructures for months or years, according to the Congressional EMP Commission, killing up to 90 percent of the American people through starvation and societal collapse.

      In 2004, members of the Congressional EMP Commission met with two Russian generals, Moscow’s top strategic experts on EMP weaponry. The generals disclosed that Russia has a decisive new nuclear weapon–a Super-EMP warhead.

      However, the main purpose of the demarche by the Russian generals to the Commission was to warn that design information about the Super-EMP weapon had “accidentally” leaked to North Korea.

      During their 2004 demarche, the Russian generals warned the EMP Commission that North Korea could develop a Super-EMP nuclear weapon “in a few years.” A few years later, in 2006, North Korea conducted its first nuclear test, of a device that looks suspiciously like a Super-EMP weapon. Because the North Korean device had a very low yield, about 3 kilotons, most experts dismissed the nuclear test as a failure, despite claims by North Korea that the device worked as planned.

      However, a Super-EMP weapon would have a low-yield, like the North Korean device, because it is not designed to create a big explosion, but to convert its energy into gamma rays, that generate the EMP effect. North Korean overt nuclear tests in 2009, 2013, and now in 2015 all had low yields, in the neighborhood of 3-10 kilotons.

      These tests were hailed as successful by North Korea, but dismissed as failures by many in the West, despite warnings from the EMP Commission and others that North Korea is developing a Super-EMP warhead:”

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      • Kent says:

        (contined….)

        South Korean military intelligence has repeatedly warned the press that Russian scientists are in North Korea helping develop a Super-EMP nuclear weapon.
        In 2010, according to some reputable European analysts, radio isotope data indicates North Korea may have conducted two clandestine nuclear tests of a very low yield nuclear device of sophisticated fusion design, consistent with a Super-EMP weapon.
        Traces of tritium, the fuel for an H-Bomb, have been detected in some North Korean low-yield tests, consistent with a Super-EMP weapon.
        North Korea’s access to tritium, harder to obtain than deuterium and other H-Bomb fuels, indicates they are more sophisticated than commonly credited in the West, or are getting help from someone.
        In 2012, a military commentator for the People’s Republic of China told a Hong Kong journal that North Korea has Super-EMP nuclear warheads.
        In 2011, the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Lt. General Ronald Burgess, testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee that North Korea has weaponized its nuclear device into warheads for arming ballistic missiles. This confirms that North Korea’s nuclear tests were, in fact, successful. The North Koreans would not arm their missiles with duds.

        European intelligence agencies concluded that North Korea armed with nuclear warheads Nodong missiles capable of striking Japan in 2009. The CIA’s top East Asia analyst publicly stated that North Korea had successfully miniaturized nuclear warheads for missile delivery in a 2008 interview.

        Please…pretty please….read more on this subject…I will not paste the rest of the article due to length.

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    • jello333 says:

      Yeah, that’s what I’ve always assumed about EMP attacks. While a “typical” nuclear attack could wipe out a whole city and kill millions, a really high-level EMP attack could do FAR more damage. No, not many people would die instantly, but the number of people (and number of cities) indirectly impacted (including deaths) would in the not-so-long-run be MUCH higher.

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      • Kent says:

        The enemy would not need to fire a single shot…we would kill ourselves/each other.

        Apologies to the board for the long cut ‘n pastes but this is something I fear WILL happen to the USA…as I’ve said in earlier posts….all they need is a freighter ship/container ship…the recent submarine tests could very well be a gaslight….

        North Korea, Iran, China, Russia, Pakistan…-stateless terrorists-….it would simply be easy to do by all of the above.

        Google these words…click images…”missile shipping container”….it’s already designed and available…right off of the shelf. Just plug in your laptop and clear the way for the hidden imam/madhi to emerge from the well he is hiding in….(I didn’t make that up…google that too…)

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  37. Grandtrines says:

    Reblogged this on Debatable News: Mainstream to Tinfoil Hat and more and commented:

    And, did you see the video of Rubio and the heckler in Dallas?
    See, also: https://debatablenews.wordpress.com/2016/01/07/marco-rubio-in-dallas-and-jabba-the-orangutan-molester/
    Rubio also appears to be owned by the notoriously corrupt “private prison industry”: https://debatablenews.wordpress.com/2016/01/07/is-marco-rubio-owned-by-private-prison-industry/

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  38. Sandra says:

    I just remembered that I had seen an image of the alleged fusion bomb test in North Korea, and I thought how strange it was that there was a mushroom cloud when the test was supposedly underground. You really don’t want to have dirt sucked up high into the atmosphere because it’s radioactive and the wind will transport it to other parts of your own country or to other countries.

    Here’s what I saw. This is not an image of an underground test. If this is a real image of the test, all countries, especially those nearby, need to be on high alert:

    By the way, South Korea’s measurements estimated the yield at only 6 kilotons, not 10 as originally suggested. This is very very small for a fusion bomb, in the unlikely category.

    This North Korean official announcement is downright freaky. If I didn’t know that so many people are suffering in that country, I would find it hilarious. Kim Jong Un seems to have the emotional maturity of a 15 year old.

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    • Sandra says:

      I think I need a memory aid. Now I remember where I saw a mushroom cloud picture … Sundance posted it at the top of the article! (sigh)

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  39. mary gugliotta calhoun says:

    Well trump right again and again maybe he is right fr the job..i think so.i endorse trump.go donald

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