Iowa Poll – Ben Carson Takes Commanding Lead 32%…

New Poll of Iowa Caucus-goers from Monmouth University (full pdf below).  This Iowa polling provides the media fuel to continue pulling down frontrunner Donald Trump.  Similar to Op-Hummingbird, with only a few days before the next debate – the media narrative will be to weaken/remove Trump’s support and create a self fulfilling prophecy. 

The anti-Trump media/clinton alignment want Donald Trump to present as angry and carrying a bruised ego in all appearances. This helps their definitions of him…

West Long Branch, NJ – The Monmouth University Poll of likely Iowa Republican caucusgoers finds Ben Carson has taken a double digit lead over Donald Trump. The outsider candidates remain on top amid a prevailing attitude that the national Republican Party has not served its voters well.

When Iowa Republicans are asked who they would support in their local caucus, Ben Carson (32%) tops the list, with Donald Trump (18%) holding second.

In Monmouth’s last poll of GOP caucusgoers in August, the two were tied for the top spot at 23% each. The next tier of candidates includes Ted Cruz (10%), Marco Rubio (10%), and Jeb Bush (8%). They are followed by Carly Fiorina (5%), Rand Paul (3%), Mike Huckabee (2%), Bobby Jindal (2%), and John Kasich (2%).

None of the other five candidates tested topped 1%. Compared to two months ago, Carson is up by 9 points and Rubio is up by 6 points.

Iowa monmouth poll 10-26-15

Trump has dropped by 5 points and Fiorina’s share of the vote has also decreased by 5 points. Carson’s support has gone up among all ideological groups. He now leads Trump by 9 points (31%-22%) among very conservative voters compared to a single point two months ago and by 21 points (39%-18%) among somewhat conservative voters compared to 2 points in August. He also has a 17 point (29%-12%) lead among moderate to liberal voters, which is a reversal since the prior poll when he trailed Trump by 9 points (17%-26%) among this group.

Carson maintains a 36% to 18% lead over Trump among evangelical Christian voters, which is somewhat larger than the 29% to 23% advantage he held two months ago.

However, Carson [now] also holds a 28% to 19% edge among non-evangelicals, reversing an 18% to 24% deficit in August. Carson’s 34% to 17% lead over Trump among women is similar to his 30% to 19% advantage two months ago. He now leads among men as well, 31% to 20%, which wipes out the 17% to 27% deficit he had to Trump in the prior poll.   (read more)

METHODOLOGY – The Monmouth University Poll was sponsored and conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute from October 22 to 25, 2015 with a statewide random sample of 400 Iowa voters drawn from a list of registered Republican voters who voted in at least one of the last two state primary elections and indicate they are likely to attend the Republican presidential caucuses in February 2016. This includes 262 contacted by a live interviewer on a landline telephone and 138 contacted by a live interviewer on a cell phone, in English.

Remember in 2015/16:

…Remove Donald Trump and Ben Carson becomes Herman Cain, Ted Cruz becomes Newt Gingrich and Bush/Rubio become Mitt Romney 2012.

by design…

karl rove emporer

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379 Responses to Iowa Poll – Ben Carson Takes Commanding Lead 32%…

  1. RINOKiller says:

    The media news outlets are failing to realize consumers are either tuning out the news, or, cutting the cord. They are part of the reason because people are fed up with the untruthful reporting.

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    • Ace says:

      They don’t care if you don’t listen to them.
      They’re targeting a small, decisive, none too bright segment of the population.

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      • archer52 says:

        Iowa has been infiltrated for a long time by Dems. Many from states they screwed up. They are also a finicky crew thinking they are still important.

        Truth is, Carson and Trump are vying for the same electorate. It will bounce back and forth. The real key is finding the guy who can pull enough from the other areas. If you’ll notice, the unions were flirting with Trump until HRC made it through her trials, then they went right back to her teat. Like Hispanics and blacks, they will never vote for a guy or gal who might actually cut back their free crap.

        Greed is a dominant trait in humans.

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    • Doodahdaze says:

      BS. Another poll of “likely caucusgoers” this is a scam of the first magnitude. Do not believe a word they say. It is a talking points push poll for the FOX drive-by news skunks. LIES!

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    • hocuspocus13 says:

      Club for Growth is running negative ads in Iowa on Trump about Eminent Domain

      That Trump is all for it and will take your house from you

      Club for Growth is bragging about it they were on Kelly File tonight

      Google Club for Growth it’s on their site

      It appears they plan on using it in all the other states

      Trump refused them 1 million $ that they asked for so this is in retaliation

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  2. sam says:

    The media keep saying Trump tweeted the IOWA insult when it’s only a retweet. Trump retweet a lot of stuff and he might have retweeted by mistake. Media is so dishonest but Trump should pull himself together and be more humble when doing these rally.

    I remember when did his first rally in Iowa(maybe Ohio) when he was behind Scout Walker. Trump(2nd place) ask “could you please put me in 1st place so i don’t have to be 2nd” and they put him in 1st. He should go back to being a bit more humble, people will like that.

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    • He didn’t tweet it. Some intern that worked for him did..but it wasn’t anything bad.. it is just kind of silly for the media to make such a big deal out of it..No he got to number one by being himself..people were drawn to him because of his honestly and in your face attitude. He doesn’t have to be what he isn’t. All that quiet, humble stuff is just not him and I don’t think it is Ben Carson either. No one acts like him..there is now way you can go from being someone who stabs someone at 14..and throws rocks and has a temper like he did and become totally quiet and humble..even with God’s help..you just don’t become that way. There is still that something in side of you that will come out every now and then. As far as Trump is concerned he didn’t do anything..the media even knows he didn’t send the tweet and like I said, like always they are making too big a deal of it..because they want to take down Trump..that is all it is about.

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      • Irish Eyes says:

        It seems to me that much of what critics call arrogance is meant tongue in cheek, a sort of self-parody, and therefore it doesn’t bother me. Another thing that I usually dislike is referring to oneself in the third person, but when he says Trump this or that rather than I, it doesn’t bother me at all. Seems totally fitting.

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  3. cheekymeeky says:

    New nickname: Ben Crony Cornson

    Carson, in his first speech in the state as a candidate, was asked by a voter about the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), the federal mandate that fuel refiners blend a certain volume of ethanol and biodiesel into their gasoline and diesel supplies.

    “I don’t particularly like the idea of government subsidies for anything because it interferes with the natural free market,” Carson said, according to The Des Moines Register.

    “Therefore, I would probably be in favor of taking that $4 billion a year we spend on oil subsidies and using that in new fueling stations” for 30 percent ethanol blends, he added.

    Ben Carson: Let’s slash Big Oil to pay for ethanol

    Carson in Iowa: Use oil subsidies for ethanol

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    • keebler AC says:

      Translation: I’m a treehugging liberal but I want to run as Republican because the populace deserves another black Ken doll in the White House and I know affirmative action is still strong, and no one will vote another Democrat black candidate after Obama.

      By the way, lol @ Ben Corny Cornson!!!

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    • He also wants to take out medicare and the seniors out there aren’t even paying attention. He wants to put in savings accounts..for seniors. Seniors are happy with their medicare..he needs to leave it alone, of course he won’t be president anyway.The whole promoting of Carson is all orchestrated by the media to take Trump out. They know Carson doesn’t stand a prayer. He is all over the place on his issues. He was in favor of euthanasia.. no one realizes that. I looked up his stand on issues and it said that a person should be able to die if they want to and he makes it pretty clear that he is for euthanasia..What a pandoras box that would open. And the whole mandatory vaccines. I mean what are these Christians in Iowa thinking..Are they voting for a pastor or a president?

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      • Doodahdaze says:

        I don’t believe these three polls. Period. Not one bit.

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        • chiavarm says:

          I read that there Anti Trump ads are running in Iowa, and that causing the lower polling numbers. Carson is just befitting because he is the other Outsider.

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          • or it could be a phony poll so that it “looks like” the club for growth and hit ads are working. just wondering if Trump should also be running ads to refute those ads? he normally counterpunches and responds to lies quickly. or perhaps he feels he is already doing that on interviews and rallies?

            but it always seems to me they put out polls that will make their cheating look believable. in this case pre-debate to trying to knock out wind of Trump.

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        • NCPatrick says:

          And isn’t it such a strange coincidence that Trump’s numbers appear to plummet two days before the next debate? They are going to hammer him on this point the moment they start, hoping Trump will wiggle and squirm which of course he isn’t going to do. This is just the latest and most blatant dirty trick they will try to play on him, but a very good chance I think that these polls will melt away once the debate is over.

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    • Doodahdaze says:

      Big Corn Carson! He is a flake. 🙂

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    • AdukeLAXobserver says:

      30% blends? Guessing Carson doesn’t own a boat or own any gas powered law equipment. That would wreck a lot of engines.

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    • MsCynlynn says:

      Oh my. I read that in his slow voice. It took me forever!

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  4. keebler AC says:

    typo…..this man will SAY ANYTHING TO EACH STATE to sell his candidacy…he hypnotizes with slow speech putting people to sleep which puts one into a state of acceptance…VERY DANGEROUS. Tell people not to watch him talk. Seriously, I fall asleep and get lulled when I listen to him. He drops your defenses. You start to like him. Obama did the same thing. They are connected to the same evil.

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    • And all his stand against abortion is a ruse. He didn’t have a problem telling women where to go to have one and he didn’t have a problem using the fetal tissue for testing…so where does he think that fetal tissue came from. I think everyone should go to his fb page and let those people know who he is and what the is for..not that it would matter probably. Those people are really low information people. They sit and talk about scripture..which there is nothing wrong with that, but they don’t discuss issues like we do on here..they go to whatever scripture in the bible and quote it.

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  5. Ace says:

    Everyone here constantly talks about who is behind Bush. But I never hear any talk about who is behind Trump.
    You don’t really believe he’s doing this alone, do you?
    His people will have an answer to this Iowa polling data, rest assured.

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    • keebler AC says:

      Trump is for Trump.

      Ben Carson’s rich sponsor is unknown. He most certainly has one. And contrary to ducks who are quacking when told to do so by Run Carson Run due to sleepy hypnotic influences of the messaniac nature (Obama was the muslim who would protect America from muslims) of Carson’s religion, his $20 mln didn’t come from massive $5 donations. He has unknown sponsors and has time to promote a book the way Obama did too.

      Carson planted the thought nugget in American’s minds that he prayed to God for funds and said to God that he must pour money in for him if God seriously wants him to run for President. Lo, and behold, as planned, and it isn’t a miracle as Carson would lead you to believe, money indeed pours in. Yeah, right, Ben. That miracle vegie drink you sold to parents of young cancer victims really worked. The kid got worse without conventional treatment.

      Note that Carson’s neighbors and even his medical colleagues describe Carson as wonky now. It’s like Twightlight zone because both categories of acquaintances say they can’t make sense of Carson then and the Carson they used to know. Conclusion: No one really knows Carson. He’s as scary as the unknown Obama where regular colleagues didn’t know him and have nothing good to say.

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      • Just curious.do you have any sources from his wonky colleagues.. I believe you for sure, but would just like to know so I can read them. They are saying he has small donors..so how is he surviving on small donors? And I don’t like to say anything about someone’s religion, but SDA’s are a bit strange.

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        • keebler AC says:

          Good to have source back up, Dot. I agree. Correction tho, it’s not his colleagues who are wonky – it’s Ben Carson who they claim is wonky and a surprise “idiot” to them. It’s like they haven’t known him at all the 25 years he worked at John Hopkins. Ben’s remarks are gaffe-prone and John Hopkins Medicine and university institution have separated itself from Ben Carson. He stated things like being gay comes from prison and is like bestiality among other things which is outrageous even for a Christian. Sounds more like Muslim hate of homosexuality if you ask me. This isn’t going to win votes competing against the likes of Hillary Clinton. But then again, Carson wants to win the GOP primary first, and then back track and play politics with BLM suggesting he was a violent, knife-wielding youth who turned his life around.

          |The New York Times reported last month that Carson’s preferred health care policy “would eliminate Medicaid and Medicare, and for the poor, government would make the contributions to their health accounts.” “He’s a wonderful, wonderful person and a very warm man. But I’m not sure what he knows about health policy,” said Jonathan Zenilman, the chief of Infectious Diseases at the Hopkins School of Medicine. “Being a pediatric neurosurgeon, you’re not dealing with adults with chronic diseases who can’t get insurance. … I think it would be safe to say that Dr. Carson’s view is not shared by the vast majority of Hopkins’ medical staff.”

          http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112835/ben-carson-and-johns-hopkins-university-his-colleagues-react

          I haven’t linked the feedback from Carson’s residential neighbors yet. I’ll try to find it. They said Carson’s a recluse and they don’t know him at all. They don’t even know he lives there.

          Carson’s like that reclusive strango neighbor who everyone says was a nice guy and they don’t know why he cracked. I don’t believe he’s Christian. He’s probably an underground muslim or has a secret pact.

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        • keebler AC says:

          Carson has that hidden unknown aspect to him, similar to Obama, where people who knew him in the past don’t like him or have very little good to say about him going forward. He gives off the “niceness” vibe which puts others at a distance so one never really knows who he really is. Carly too. No one in her past, who know the non-public persona better than the rest of us, had anything good to say about Carly. Distrust, is more the adjective, from her private life. Same with Carson. John Hopkins has officially distanced themselves from Ben Carson after 25 years because they’re clearly spooked by Carson and know that he wasn’t all he seemed while working there. It’s apparent that Ben Carson’s retirement was forced upon him by John Hopkins.

          In the rural community outside of Baltimore where Carson has lived for nearly 15 years, many of his neighbors claim to have never spoken to him. Some didn’t even know if Carson and his family still live in their seven-bedroom, $1.7-million house set on a 35-acre piece of pastureland between cornfields. They know, vaguely, that he bought another home in Florida (West Palm Beach) for retirement.

          “I don’t even think he could win if he was running for mayor out here,” said one of his neighbors, who lives along the winding gravel road that leads to his palatial estate. “No one out here knows him. He tends to insulate himself.”

          http://www.buzzfeed.com/joelanderson/ben-carson-politics-legacy#.giaZVkjbE

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      • bofh says:

        I saw Ben Carson speak (he gave an up-tempo, very fluent keynote address at a college graduation) back in 2003, and he did not have the odd cadence and long pauses that now mark his speach. Don’t know what it means, but it’s an odd change in only 12 years.

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        • I read that Carson has Eye Dystonia (Ocular Dystonia) aka Blepharospasm, a neurological eye movement disorder, sometimes treated with BOTOX. Sufferers say that it becomes worse under stress and under bright lights, which would explain why Carson’s eyes shut and roll back when being interviewed under the bright camera lights. Could also explain why he is unable to campaign right now, claiming it’s “because of his book.”


          This latest interview of Carson displays his blinking and closing of his eyes
          http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/10/watch_carson_tells_trump_i_dont_get_into_the_mud_p.html

          Eye dystonia (the medical term is Blepharospasm) is uncontrollable and often painful muscle contractions around the eye. Symptoms of eye dystonia may include excessive blinking and involuntary closure of the eyelids. The cause is believed to be incorrect messages from the brain to the muscles around the eye. Eye dystonia is a neurological movement disorder and should be diagnosed and treated by an ophthalmologist or a neurologist specialising in movement disorders.

          Blepharospasm usually starts gradually. First symptoms may include eye irritation, sensitivity to light and increased blinking. The frequency and severity of the muscle spasms generally increases over a period of one to two years. Sometimes eye dystonia is experienced together with mouth, jaw or tongue dystonia (oromandibular). The medical term for this is Meige’s syndrome.

          Symptoms usually appear between the ages of 50 and 70 but it does sometimes affect younger people.

          Current medical research suggests that the condition is caused by a defect in a large network of brain cells. It is possible that the condition is caused by an abnormality in a control centre in the network that triggers blinking. This control centre is located in the basal ganglia, a group of nuclei in the brain associated with motor co-ordination. The muscles that receive their impulses from this control centre are the Orbicularis oculi muscle (surrounding the eye), the Corrugator muscle (which regulates the frown), and the Procerus muscle (which causes the skin to wrinkle horizontally at the root of the nose and controls blinking).

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      • wullfe says:

        Does everyone know he stabbed someone and hit his mother over the head with a hammer? Fortunately, the knife hit the victim’s belt buckle. Carson admits he had rage issues. A very troubled violent teen who did poorly in school. Not that someone can’t be rehabilitated, but stabbing is too much for me. He admitted had it not been for his mother, he probably would have murdered someone. That chip he carries on his shoulder about incidents where he said he was discriminated against by whites makes him a Republican Obama.

        He also supported Louis Farrakhan and spoke at one of Al Sharpton’s conferences. Approves of the recent Iran deal. His ‘unusual’ to put it mildly, policy on gun ownership, guns in some areas of the country, banned in others, is crazy.

        He’s also changing his policies to those of Trump’s.

        He was a Democrat until 2013. Then switched to Independent. Switched to Republican less than 6 months before announcing his candidacy. Does he have a hidden agenda to “change” America like Obama? An America for blacks. He addresses blacks too much for my comfort. Another so-called conservative not addressing the Republican base.

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  6. keebler AC says:

    Concern trolls out at the slightest sign of weakness.

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  7. researchermo says:

    I don’t know about Iowa, but on one of the cable channels in mid Missouri, in a pretty conservative area, Ben Carson movies/documentaries have been playing nearly non-stop for days now. I wonder if that is goin on in Iowa, and if that has anything to do with it. I install cable for a living, and I can assure you there are plenty of lo-fo voters here who spend a lot of time watching tv.

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  8. wyntre says:

    For anyone holding out hope the CNBC debate moderators will be less biased than CNN or Fox, here are some questions from top gun John Harwood to DT.
    HARWOOD: You started your campaign saying a bunch of things that are not real. Obama and where he was born — that’s not real. You know where he was born. You know that we’re not going to deport 11 million people. Rates of illegal immigration have been declining, not going up

    HARWOOD: Jeb told me the other day that Trump’s strategy is to say things over and over, loudly, and if he does, he can make people think things that are not true, are true. What do you say to that?
    HARWOOD: You’ve made the argument that the reason average people in America are feeling economic strain is because their leaders are stupid. Isn’t that a comic-book version of the economic story? The world has changed.
    HARWOOD: What would you say to someone who said — given the emphasis that you’ve had on immigration, crime, the scary pictures of illegal immigrations, and the talk about China, Mexico, Japan taking jobs away — that the core idea of your campaign is appealing to fearful, anxious white Americans and encouraging the belief that their problems are because of people who look different?
    HARWOOD: Your answer to policy questions, how do you pay for this, how are you going to do that, is: “I’m Trump. I’m good. I’m the best. I will get it done.” Who’s your model? We don’t have Superman presidents
    HARWOOD: Let’s assume you get elected, and you get in and discover that all of these problems are much more difficult. What do you say to those people who vote for you who say, “Hey wait a minute, I thought you were the Wizard of Oz?”
    http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/01/10-questions-for-donald-trump.html

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  9. Burnt Toast says:

    Iowa people really liked Walker back in July (22%).

    Comparing July with the latest, the most significant movement is all of Walker’s 22% went to Carson. A little movement elsewhere, a little.

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  10. onsu says:

    My house in Fl has received 3 computer phone calls for Carson. I take care of my mom who is confused and says whatever she is thinking (out of the mouths of babes). Carson also spoke at this retirement community about three weeks ago (Rubio 2 weeks ago). I bet those Carson phone calls are going on in Iowa too.
    Now for the funny part; The first Carson phone call she listened to the entire message, hung up and said to me why is a democrat calling here? Don’t they know we only vote republican here? I told her he was running as a republican and she looked dumbstruck. The second call she hung up after 30 sec and said another stupid Carson call. This morning she answered the third Carson call and hung up after 10 sec irritated and said don’t they know we don’t want another black president?
    I asked her if she got any Trump calls and she said no, do you think he will call me? Oh, I hope he calls me.

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  11. This is not a pro Carson vote this an anti Trump vote…..Trump has to watch his mouth or he will not win !!!

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  12. keebler AC says:

    Carson pretends to understand the Constitution, but he doesn’t when he states he wants federal funds for tuition tied to policing of student voices. Yikes!!! This from a guy who earlier was stating he is against Political Correctness while he drafted behind Trump. CAREFUL WILL ROBINSON! This is another manchurian candidate supported by dubious money. He’s a Ken doll, figurehead, he speaks nonsense most of the time, whatever you want to hear at the time. He closes his eyes when he speaks because he’s searching for what to say that will meet with your approval. He opts out most of the time because……..he is NOT running his own show.

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  13. NHVoter says:

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  14. R-C says:

    Hmm…strangely enough, I’m still not voting for Carson…and I AM voting for Trump.

    Guess their gambit isn’t working.

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  15. Doodahdaze says:

    This is not credible in every state in the country Trump has a Yuuuuge lead. Except this one little state? I just do not buy it. It is a limited poll of “caucusgoers” what the hell is this all about? I smell a scam. Three in a row. Bull Manure.

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    • catmom says:

      Not buying it.

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    • Agreed. When they saw the first skewed poll showing Trump lower than Carson wasn’t affecting Trump’s popularity they now decided to just go for BROKE and jacking that up to the 30s! The sudden timing right before the debate is telling. A sneak preview of the cheating they plan, this time FOR THE DEBATE momentum. And there we’ll see Carson under heavy botox injections trying to hid his EYE DYSTONIA!
      All bullshevik!
      In any case, Trump hasn’t even begun to campaign in Iowa.
      go back to sleep Carson, we’ll wake you when it’s time to go home!

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  16. stobberdobber says:

    It seems to me that the polling samples are getting smaller and smaller in IOWA and the margins of error keeps getting higher and higher. How do they manage to get soo many women at home during the polling times, I wonder.

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    • Stobberdobber… I thought the same exact thing. Why would they do a sample of 500 and some and be mostly women..how did they do that? It is really strange.. Of course I don’t trust any of them, but something sounds rotten. Ok Sundance, find out what is going on with these polls.

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    • Doodahdaze says:

      I think it is a scam. Bait. Trump should blow it off. Three little polls. Only polling one thing. Iowa Republican primary. Only polling previous carcassgoers. These nitwits voted Huckster and Sanitarium. Why only poll this special sample? This is as crooked as the day is long.

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      • catmom says:

        Ha! Yes, the Iowa “carcassgoers” for the last GOP POTUS.

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      • Yep. It is a scam bait. When I saw the Mammoth 32% for Carson I received a major manipulation signal. I’m sure others did as well and if they could separate fear from knowing. Gut level never lies. Even if the poll does. In fact, them jacking it up to 32% it is almost laughable.
        Even Trump intuitively knows those polls are questionable.
        For crying out loud they could’ve polled ANYONE or extrapolated the data to say ANYTHING.
        If this wasn’t right before the debate it wouldn’t be so obvious! But to start this the week of the debate LOL! SO OBVIOUS!

        Ref:
        October 24, 2015 at 9:22 pm
        i had a word of knowledge today = CARSON IS PLAYING GAMES

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      • “Sanitarium” “Huckster”
        LOL!

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    • Skylight says:

      It’s simple, they just call the same people over and over.

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  17. NHVoter says:

    Club For Growth wants to create anti Trump super PACs across the U.S. The group is taking credit for the latest Iowa polls.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/this-conservative-group-wants-to-take-trumps-iowa-slide-national/article/2574948#.Vi6wq4hrDMg.twitter

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    • catmom says:

      I’ll bet they are. Let’s just get the players around the table out in the open now. Trump v GOPe PACs and their candidates. Nothing like sunshine to clarify what this election is about.

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    • The Boss says:

      Of course Club for Growth is taking credit. They want more money. Their bank accounts need to show growth. Related….Iowa polls still look sketchy and too conveniently timed. Not only are samples small, but vast majorities claim to not be settled on a particular candidate. Really? Everyone has the same result? The media and the education cartel have a vested interest in propagandizing. It won’t stop, but the electorate will tire of the BS.

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    • what they are really saying is they paid someone off to tweak the data but can’t say that so they are blaming their ads. you know, after watching crime shows there is one trend that criminals always brag about their crimes.
      so good. now we know who is responsible for the polls as well! criminals never really cover their tracks.

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  18. joshua says:

    Polled 450 people and Carson got 32% of them to approve him…that is 160 people in IOWA that claim anonymously that they might vote for Carson….and that is TAKING THE LEAD…..in a state that is 2.9% black and a total population of 3 million folks statewide…..and 160 people pick a sleepy black guy for President there??? gimme a break…..the news are nuts…

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  19. joshua says:

    trust me….I am your leader zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  20. Doodahdaze says:

    32% of Iowa Cornballs who voted either for Huckster or Sanitarium. This is the root of the new scam. They eliminate any new people who will turn out for Trup. these three polls are push polls. There is no doubt. They have found a demographic trick to show Trump in 2nd place. They omit Trump people from the sample. Trump will bring thousands of new caucusgoers. He will clobber the whole field.

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  21. lovely says:

    Hat tip to TexasRanger for a similar video over on the daily thread 🙂

    Does Ben Carson really not know the difference between violent rage and high energy?

    What a nutter.

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    • Total NUT! and his eye disorder doesn’t help matters! It makes him look like he’s sleeping!
      He has OCULAR DYSTONIA (a neurological muscular disorder of the eyes).

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      • boutis says:

        No wonder he retired as a surgeon. How the heck is he supposed to read briefings or pay attention during meetings as president. Good grief. That is almost as bad as Hillary’s brain problems. Or Rubio’s uncontrollable sweating.

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  22. Artist says:

    I find it interesting that these polls are only on the outlier planet of Iowa and are, imho, the result of the Club for Growth, C of C, Fox news, and the GOPe promising they would destroy Trump and are working their evil juju in Iowa…. and so what you have are a bunch of non too bright ( Presidents Huckabee, Santorum??!) Iowans swallowing whatever they’re being fed, whole.

    I belong to quite a few pro Trump groups on facebook and have seen a lot of information on Carson that would truly inform one of Carson’s total and complete lack of qualifications, his creepily soporific ( drug addled? ) demeanor and his violent past which was traded
    in for submission to wack EndTimes eschatology.
    If anyone saw his appearance on Morning Joe this morning where he described in detail his past anger management problems which resulted in quite a few attacks on people ( including his mother) with bats, knives and a hammer…it was frightening and his calm to the point of comotose description of it was just shy of sociopathic. The reaction of Scarborough and co. ( I am not a usual viewer of this program!) was shocked laughter rapidly changing to horror and disbelief! It was incredibly creepy.

    I don’t think Carson who seems to hold no rallies can keep up this charade…and he can’t disappear a moment too soon for me!

    #Trump2016 !!

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    • interesting…seething rage as a kid…so as an adult he channels this into neurosurgery and uses the same kind of weapons (sans bats) to bust into kids brains. Rage is still there; he’s soft-spoken by design. Wonder if he’s on meds…

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      • boutis says:

        When I was in graduate school (many decades ago) I worked part time as an interviewer in the Texas prison system on social study research projects. The inmates were paid a small amount to be interviewed and it was very surprising how many of them used similar behavior. Some were just bat-**** over the top crazy and acted out but many had this very repressed and almost catatonic demeanor. Women did it too who were imprisoned that I interviewed but not as much as men. This was their non threatening “face”.

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    • catmom says:

      That is fascinating. I have seen nothing on Carson other than what I read, largely here and a few other sites. But there is something off about him, like Obama was off. I thought he was drugged at times in 2008. No rallies. Violent past. Sounds like he may be on meds. Is this really what we want? I am specifically asking Carson supporters. And I don’t know any! I do know a lot of people who are on the Trump Train 2016!

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    • they’re PUSH POLLS
      “an ostensible opinion poll in which the true objective is to sway voters using loaded or manipulative questions.” probably paid for by CLUB FOR FUNGAL GROWTH!

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      • keebler AC says:

        You said Club for FUNGAL Growth. 😀 Good old Club Petri Dish from a dirty lab which Trump couldn’t wait to wash off after meeting with them.

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    • Here’s the clip of Morning Joe where they review the shocking statements of not so Gentle Ben Carson say “As a teenager, I would go after people with rocks, and bricks, and baseball bats, and hammers. And, of course, many people know the story when I was 14 and I tried to stab someone.”

      I saw another article “Ben Carson says he USED to be a homicidal maniac?”

      “We already had a president with a history of torturing animals and attacking people. That didn’t end well. Now we are supposed to believe a guy who went after people with rocks, bricks, baseball bats and hammers… is who we want to put in a position where they control real deadly force?

      “Yes, kids do stupid things. But read that list again — that’s an escalating list of deadly force multipliers. Yes, people make terrible choices and later in life turn things around, but they do it with a sense of regret. There is remorse for their bad choices and a recognition of the consequences these bad choices generate. None of this is apparent in Carson’s recounting of these various attacks. The oddest part of his response for me was how he nonchalantly dismissed the attempted murder by saying “of course, many people know the story when I was fourteen and I tried to stab someone.”

      “I think it is fair to say a lot of people didn’t know that story. But that is because few people were paying attention to Ben Carson in the summer of 2014. But now that we are paying attention, it appears the story about the attempted stabbing keeps changing.

      “But let’s go back and ask a different question. How many times did he “go after people” with “rocks” (plural), and “bricks” (plural), and “baseball bats” (plural) and “hammers” (plural)? I am assuming that is at least 4 separate incidents. Were there more? In addition to the knife incident, that is. Who did he target in these attacks? What happened to the people he attacked?

      “Compared to this bombshell, the accusations of plagiarism and stock fraud seem almost quaint.”

      YIKES!!!!!!!!!

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      • keebler AC says:

        Wow, that is so bad! His smiles while he elucidated on his violent past naming all manner of volatile harmful tools, is disconcerting. Is he lying to get sympathy and plug his book like Obama did with the pot smokin’?

        One commenter wrote “The mere fact that Carson “made something of himself,” though commendable, does nothing to change the fact that, though educated, he appears ignorant about pretty much every aspect of history, politics, and human nature,
        and, though presumably a competent brain surgeon, is clearly
        a mentally ill loose cannon, with some bizarre agenda that nobody else understands. This madman hears voices nobody else hears.”

        I get the sense that Carson is wobbly upstairs in the noggin. It’s both sad and ironic. He really should have not run for president.

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        • Skylight says:

          I don’t know if he’s wobbly upstairs or not, but I’d almost lay odds that he is on meds of some kind. His statements are too halting and calculated. It creeps me out.

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      • facebkwallflower says:

        Whoa. Someone needs to ask Carson how he feels about all the policies to not report black violence of black youth (like with Travon) because it appears that he benefited from something similar when he stabbed somebody at age fourteen. Was he arrested? In juvie? No? Why not? If true, why no ramifications. If not, why luve all these years telling a lie.

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  23. El Torito says:

    The fundamental, essential element of the Vulgarian is that we have been praying for a Trump to occur. Juxtapose that with the LSM, GOPe, RNC, Rynos, DEMs and outLIAR polls having zero credibility left and it’s TRUMP 2016 in a Sunami landslide. TRUMP2016.

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  24. ediegrey says:

    “…….with a statewide random sample of 400 Iowa voters drawn from a list of registered Republican voters who voted in at least one of the last two state primary elections ” Fortunately, these regular Iowa caucus-goers are going to be joined by thousands of Trump supporters on February 1st. Their little private caucus is about to explode.

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  25. Dora says:

    Donald Trump will be in Iowa tomorrow!
    ….

    Donald J. Trump Sioux City Rally

    Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 6:00 PM

    http://www.eventbrite.com/e/donald-j-trump-sioux-city-rally-tickets-19189268619

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    • hocuspocus13 says:

      While in Iowa I’m sure Trump will see the negative ads Club for Growth is running on him on tv

      They are saying Trump is for Eminent Domain and will take your house from you

      I really thought by now especially after Obama the American People would not fall for that stuff

      When will they learn?

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      • No, the ads are not “working.” They’re just PUSH POLLS purposely released in time for the debate. Probably paid for the same folks behind the creators of the ads to make it look like the money put into the ads is paying off. so they’re basically ripping their own people at the same time. no honor amongst theives!
        push poll: “an ostensible opinion poll in which the true objective is to sway voters using loaded or manipulative questions.”

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  26. jeans2nd says:

    Have not seen this posted so will give it a try – this Atlantic article may help explain Carson’s “success” in Iowa. It appears he is using Akron-based call centers (Akron is long-time Dem stronghold) to raise money. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/where-is-ben-carsons-money-going/410839/
    “In Carson’s case, a majority of what he’s raising is being plowed right back into fundraising costs—$11.2 million of the nearly $20.8 million. That means 54 cents out of every dollar Carson raises is going to raise more money…”
    It appears Carson may also be using his campaign to sell books. At any rate, Carson’s schtick plus Club for Growth ads, push polls, plus Carson’s SuperPAC may pretty much explain those Iowa polls.
    My family moved to Ohio from Iowa and most are still in Iowa, so I support Iowans. From the poll, this may be the best sentence “Just 1-in-5 (19%) Iowa GOP caucusgoers say they are completely set on their choice, although this is up from 12% two months ago.” So count me among the poll doubters, I guess. And still supporting Mr. Trump.

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    • Daniel says:

      If what he and his campaign were doing, it would affect ALL the polls, not just one and not in such a tight bubble while Trumps numbers have broken the 40% mark in some places.

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    • liberty2828 says:

      Amazing article about campaign finance. Unbelievable really…

      The campaign may also not need to worry so much about actually building the organization. The expanded role of super PACs means that the Carson team can leave this work to an outside committee. “The Carson Super PAC team has the state blanketed,” an Iowa source told Politico. “You can’t go to a county GOP or local community event without seeing someone in a Ben Carson shirt handing out literature and signing people up.”

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  27. NCPatrick says:

    I’m really glad I read the updated posts from all of our wonderful Treepers before trying to sleep. Taken as a group, there really is something “off” about Dr Ben Carson. It may well be drugs but when he burst into national prominence with his “in your face” comments to Obama at the Natl Prayer Breakfast not so very long ago, I do not remember him as being sleepy, slow talking person we see today. Can we get that clip and compare it to now? That would be the first time most of us ever heard of the man so we had nothing to compare him to. Also, it has been my experience with doctors, and particularly surgeons, that many are brilliant at their specialty but not as smart about finances. I must assume that Dr Carson was better advised financially than some to have amassed his stated net worth. One of my husband’s dearest friends is a very talented plastic surgeon who has lost about three fortunes investing in things like movie studios or NASCAR racers and so many unscrupulous partners.
    Trump 2016!

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  28. Daniel says:

    I’ve been looking at this site:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

    Ever since I saw that site, I’ve been watching it. Polls come and go, averages are made trying to plot the polls. Weird thing is, this Iowa poll has not yet appeared. Do those people detect a problem with the Iowa poll? Is that why it’s not listed? The first Iowa poll showing Carson in the lead was like two weeks ago wasn’t it? Been watching for that poll to appear and it’s not there. More recent polls also do not appear…. maybe they are on vacation… maybe the site shares a server with the Obamacare site.

    If the only poll and the only state that shows Carson winning is this one? There’s nothing to worry about. It is weird that the nation doesn’t look like that poll. It’s weird that this one poll is in a bubble. And it’s weird for such a dramatic shift to appear without any particular event or motivation for it. Think about it. When Trump’s campaign does something, it affects the polls up or down. When anyone else’s campaign has an event of some kind, there are some sort of results.

    Carson is off doing a book tour and his polls shoot up inexplicably? Really? Am I the only one confused by this? No event or cause? At a time when Carson is “not campaigning”? And only in Iowa?

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  29. Active_Ingredient says:

    “…Remember in 2015/16 — Remove Donald Trump and Ben Carson becomes Herman Cain, Ted Cruz becomes Newt Gingrich and Bush/Rubio become Mitt Romney 2012.”

    This needs to be plastered all over the Internet, in every comments section on every conservative website. I don’t think enough people truly understand this, and by the time they do it will be too late.

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  30. joshua says:

    WOW….I finally figured out who Ben Carson reminds me of with his calm serene attitude and demeanor and his speech patterns…..it is Uncle Remus in Song of the South…..laid back and a little laugh and lots of eye action…

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    • keebler AC says:

      I like the Zippity Doo guy! Probably why Carson’s a sleeper manchurian candidate. Being a Conservative I find myself drawn to him too the way Obama lead the Democrat voters like Pied Piper. But when Carson starts bringing God and Christianity into his candidacy as the largest be-all, then seems to misconstrue God speaking to him to run as the superior exception amongst the rest……he completely loses me. I attested it to the SDA teachings but maybe Carson is just wobbly and a user of Christianity for his purposes. He knows there is a large evangelical following. The problem is Carson also does not practice what the Bible preaches and was not a Republican a mere 6 months ago before he launched his GOP campaign. Trump was Republican long before he ran in June. Even his interviews in the 1970s showed he espoused Conservative principles. GWB claimed God told him to go to war in Iraq which was the first red flag for me. I mean really, it was Bush’s attestation and why were we to accept it just because GWB made the claim</>?

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      • keebler AC says:

        Sorry, I meant, when he doesn’t practice what Bible teaches……I am referring to abortion as an example. Small fine print in Ellen White’s rules.

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  31. hocuspocus13 says:

    Club for Growth attacking Trump

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  32. Just want to point out that just a week before the Iowa Caucus in 2012 Rick Santorum was polling 14 point behind Romney and still ended up winning to race. Yes, Rick Santorum did win the Caucus, but in Iowa the Caucus elections is merely a beauty contest. Delegates are really chosen at the County Committees and Ran Paul was able thru organization to replace Rick’s delegates with his own.

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  33. Carson is really scary. No one knows who really backs him. He is obviously a puppet. He actually has less credentials than Obama to be President. Obama was at least a first term Senator and was in the state senate. I have never seen a candidate less qualified to be President than Carson. I look at his advisors who he walks around with and I get scared about who owns him and what is the real agenda.

    On the other hand, my sister sent something supporting Carson on facebook. She is an evangelical. I told her that Carson supported amnesty and Americans in their twenties have a really high unemployment rate due to immigration and the Dreamers getting work permits. She has 3 children in their twenties who only have part time jobs. After I said that, she told me that she really prefers Cruz.

    The polls look fake. There is really something wrong about all the alleged support for Carson.

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  34. hocuspocus13 says:

    PS: further research looks like Club for Growth ads will back fire on them

    Comments to sum it up were all for Trump calling Club for Growth BS and stating if they have to they will write-in Trumps name for President

    Now sleep tight…all is good 💋a kiss good night

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  35. oldgrunt68 says:

    I don’t think it did Trump any good to use the curse word…GD….in the Jax Fl speech. May have hurt a little. He needs to be careful in this area.

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  36. e.g.g. says:

    MSNBC just showed

    Carson 28%
    Trump 22%
    Rubio
    Bush
    Fiorina

    Trump needs to show how Carson will be another Obama, bought by elites, open borders, amnesty, abortion, etc. Show Carson is weak in negotiating.

    What is wrong with people!?

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  37. Sophie Maele says:

    In case anyone thinks this makes any difference, remember who won Iowa the last time around – Rick Santorum.

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  38. Sharon says:

    Religious arguments within the threads are occurring more and more frequently — and I do mean “religious arguments” as opposed to actual commentary on the news, opinions on the news, or whatever the thread is about.

    The present trend will not be allowed indefinitely. By the way, the Chapel was put there on purpose for a couple of reasons, one of which is to provide a place for Christians who want to talk open-endedly about their convictions, or study themes, or whatever but if similar rudeness and self-importance is exhibited there – it won’t fly there either.

    We have many months to go before the religious angles of this campaign are exhausted. Much of what is passing for commentary along religious lines is actually dismissive of others, contributes little or nothing to the conversation, and amounts to offensive preaching.

    The preaching in the threads about who is anointed or who is not and this kind of thing — I’m wondering if those who write such things consider the Catholics or Jews or Methodists or Church of Christ or the non-religious among our readers who have no idea what they’re talking about??? DO they even care if anyone has any idea what they’re talking about??? I’m guessing that often the pronouncer really doesn’t give a rip if anyone understands as long as they get to hold the pulpit for a few minutes. “Insider conversation” in any large group is inherently rude at some level. We are a large group.

    Think about the fact that Jesus didn’t preach at the wedding of Cana. He joined the party and provided some extra wine. When people got hungry at a major crowd-preaching session in the countryside, He stopped preaching and fed them. Can we have some similar common courtesy?

    Personally, I have no problem with any of it in terms of subject matter, having lived through the Charismatic movement that swept through California in ’70s, having been steeped in pre-trib rapture teaching from my youth — and I can enjoy the best of it with anyone, but common sense and courtesy and situational awareness recommends that there be a significant improvement in courtesy and common sense in these threads.

    If it continues, we will simply delete without explanation, and no – this does not make anyone a martyr except perhaps in their own eyes. Your free speech rights do not include the privilege of being rude or thoughtless in conversation in someone else’s house.

    I will not proffer my resume at this point — it would be neither appropriate nor useful since I am speaking as a moderator but based on long experience I strongly recommend that some humility, some common sense, and some sense of the appropriate be employed.

    My doctor is SDA. I like him very much. As did my late husband, Grant. I don’t know what we would have done without his prayerful care for us, both before and after Grant died. And I would no more vote for Carson than I voted for Jimmy Carter. I wouldn’t vote for Carson if he attended my church and agreed with me on all points or if he was my brother-in-law.

    One of the Directors of the Seventh Day Adventist Hospital which we used requested an appointment with me a year after Grant died. I had sent him a letter about eight weeks after Grant left us, reporting in some detail how failure-of-hospital-logistics impacted us at the time of Grant’s last in-n-out surgical procedure. He was most gracious in both contacts and grateful for the quietly given input. He asked permission to use my observations and suggestions in material to be shared with the staff.

    He prayed with me on both occasions we met and speaks of me as a personal friend. He continues to display Grant’s photo in his work area as a reminder of who they are serving.

    So everybody relax.

    Stop demonizing the SDA.

    Stop arguing about personal, religious points of view.

    Stop making your own points of view more important than the conversation.

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    • ZurichMike says:

      Well said.

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    • Thanks Sharon, maybe they will listen to you. This division because of religion is deeper than just this. We went from disrespecting other Abrahamic religions to now disrepecting differing versions of Christianity and calling them cults. All religious viewpoints should be respected.

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    • keebler AC says:

      Yes, you are right we mustn’t hurt followers of other denominations by casting doubt on their faith. Your personal encounter and experience with SDA and its hospital highlights this. Thank you.

      I never really doubted SDA until Ben Carson starting speaking what I feel is “in tongues” – in other words, he uses his Christianity as a way to sort of promote non-Christian interpretations. Once I finally decided to consider the possibility that SDA misleads I researched it and found its origins suspect. But this I agree whole-heartedly and humbly does not mean their followers are any less deserving of our respect in their true faith to the principles of the Bible and God. The SDA does promote their superiority over other faiths due to their origins and it seems competitive and unfair to me. Ben Carson in his speech and actions seems to confirm this…….so I am wary let’s say of accepting SDA as a true order of good teachings, emphasis on the latter. It could be that it’s Ben and not SDA at all. I do honestly worry about “cults” that misinterpret the Bible to suit the founding individual’s personal agenda. I don’t mean to say that Islam is an offshoot because they don’t follow the Bible, but I suspect early on in medieval times Muhammed refused to subscribe to Judaism and required subordination to his new cult/religion. In this day and age, the further we travel from the Bible to add human made dogma as did the SDA founder, the more worrisome to me. Its the teachings that are false prophet to me, especially the superiority part. I supposed there is a line and it very fine. There are the extremes and SDA followers ought not to be marred by Carson’s current speech and example.

      I still don’t like how the SDA doctrine misleads from the Bible but it’s not my place to criticize its followers for your husband’s doctor was purer than many. I apologize to SDA followers for doubting their true faith.

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      • Sharon says:

        I intended my focus to be on what we do or don’t do in the threads in order to keep the conversation on the thing at hand. I used my DH’s doc as an illustration of why it doesn’t work to generalize our opinions in ways that have us saying things that simply aren’t true (“This is what Seventh Day Adventists are like….”)

        What I said, using the chaos about SDA-analysis as an illustration, applies to tongues, the Catholic confessional, the non-denominational Church of Christ’s opposition to using instruments in church, the Lutherans desire to keep peeling that onion of trans- vs con-substantiation,…….

        I was not commenting on SDA per se. Just saying that our threads is not the place to veer off into any of it. Next week it might somebody getting into a religious argument about whether or not homosexuals can be saved (and then there can be an argument over what is meant by saved and whether or not salvation can be lost)…oh, it’s endless fun. For adolescents. That is not what this site is about and we will not allow it to dominate the threads.

        I neither affirm or deny SDA doctrines and beliefs, and comments that veer off to that discussion have NOTHING to do with the topic of the post which was the Iowa poll.

        I said nothing in my long comment about about respecting or disrespecting anything. I’m not worried about “casting doubt” on other denominations. The conversation is not ours to have in these threads – with regard to any of them.

        Avoid endless religious arguments (about anything) and preaching (about anything) in all threads: perhaps that covers it. I hope so.

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    • jello333 says:

      Sharon, thank you! It’s been hard for me (and I assume many others) to sit back and ignore most of this. Even though I could have said far more, I’ve managed to bite my tongue and make only a couple rather generic comments (one, that I’m glad to not be a member of ANY religion at times like this, and two, that the “anointed” talk isn’t really helpful). So thanks for trying to stop this in its tracks before more people jump in and we get more totally unnecessary arguments about all this.

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    • JoeS says:

      Sharon, I will respect your thoughts on how YOUR SITE is and will be purposed. I find it to be a great resource, and I agree that it is YOUR site and you have the right to decide on the speech therein.

      I think it is IMPERATIVE that there is an understanding that many Christians make electoral decisions on who is a Christian or who they “think” that God would want in a leadership position, solely on their faith. I sincerely believe that this is wrong thinking. I believe that God has appointed leaders who WERE NOT in this mold many times in the past. Leaders such as Nebuchadnezzar, Darius, and Cyrus are examples of this. While it might be provocative to some to think that God can “anoint” someone who is a non-Christian or not especially evangelical (if that is an appropriate concept), I think that many Christians decide on who they are voting for based simply on their feelings about how strong a Christian their candidate is. It may even be provocative to suggest there is a God and that he annoints to some. I feel STRONGLY that the evangelicals who did not all vote had it VERY wrong about Mitt Romney’s Mormonism, and that was VERY costly to the nation. I do not hold to Mormon teachings, but it was not a disqualifier for me.

      This brings me to one of the main points. For me, it is problematic that some Christian candidates begin to “tweek” and mold the electorate, sometimes deceitfully. I do not think that suggesting that a candidate has an “anointing,” and pointing out that significant believers in the body who know Donald Trump or have had revelation about him is, well, especially shocking or insulting to grown men and women who are not without reference to Christianity be it Pentecostal, Charismatic, Catholic, etc., etc, etc. I do think that tone is important, though. I think that there is, in fact, a surprising number of people who are looking at the world right now approaching a one world government, muslim migration, economic uncertainty and all of the other signs of the times, and saying to themselves, “wow that crazy biblical worldview those nuts have been talking about is looking pretty realistic after all!”

      After being a Christian for a long time, I find that God is more frequently shocking than not. And I do mean SHOCKING! Whenever I think that I understand and have got God, down, the next step is a humbling. Yes, as you said, Jesus stopped and fed the people, and Yes, Jesus enjoyed and aided the wedding, but more often, when Jesus spoke, there was upheaval. They tore their clothes, called him blasphemer, attempted to stone him, and they ultimately crucified him (they played right into his hands). The same was true of the apostles and disciples who followed him. It is a penetrating faith as you know. God is SO UNPREDICTABLE.

      I personally have a baseline “litmus test” for candidates in terms of them being in the realm of who I could vote for as a Christian. After that, I think I vote for candidates who are acceptable to my political values, which almost always lie within conservative principals. I feel, though, that God seems to always place a candidate on my heart. That said, I do think that it is a RELEVANT POINT that God can “annoint” a leader for HIS OWN PURPOSE-even a boisterous and at times insulting leader who confounds “Christians.” I think it is relevant to remind “line item” Christians of this point. Furthermore, I believe that he can soften such a leaders heart over time. It is a consuming fire!

      That said, I will honor your purpose for the Conservative Treehouse. Thank you for your thoughts.

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      • Sharon says:

        Of course! I am saying “of course!” to all of your comment here – good thoughts.

        What we are trying to address is the problem of having threads hijacked by heated conversation that produces little or no light on the subject at hand! 😉

        Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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      • Sharon says:

        Please understand as well that if there is a desire to discuss these ideas at length (which would be well worth a serious conversation) that’s exactly why the Chapel is provided.

        The conversation thus can unfold and be profitable to all without hijacking a thread that is actually about a specific and different subject.

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  39. sam says:

    You know when Trump was doing The Apprentice he usually give more chance to people that want the job and fight and not to low energy people sitting back and riding the coat tail of others.

    This is exactly what Jeb is, a low energy that doesn’t fight and would be fire so quickly if this was real life.

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  40. Redware says:

    Carson gets a C rating on i,,igration from NumbersUSA. That is not anywhere near good enough.he is pro-amnesty.therefore he will never get my vote. Not ever!

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  41. nwtex says:

    (Ben Carson) clearly leading in Iowa, and this poll will be taken as a cue for the press to give him more scrutiny than he’s gotten so far. Carson has been getting more media attention, but that focus will intensify now. And it won’t be good for him.

    October 27
    (a blog) –>
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/10/27/why-ben-carsons-candidacy-is-doomed/

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