Freddie Gray Research Thread – Baltimore PD Uploading Camera #2108

Heads up! BPD is Uploading additional camera footage in response to a Baltimore Sun Article HERE:

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64 Responses to Freddie Gray Research Thread – Baltimore PD Uploading Camera #2108

  1. BobNoxious says:

    So does camera 2108 potentially show Freddie’s path across the courtyard area?

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  2. True Colors says:

    My current theory is that Gray must have jumped down a flight of stairs inside the building, or that Gray possibly jumped out of a 2nd/3rd story window onto the ground.

    If Gray had been healthy at the time when he entered the police van, and he then suffered collisions from a “rough ride” that were so powerful to break his spine, then there would have been some really obvious external injuries(smashed in skull, etc.)

    TC

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    • maggiemoowho says:

      I don’t know if this is true or not, found it on twitter, this guy shares some of Freddies twitter friends. If it is true, then this case would be closed really fast. (about jumping out a window)

      https://mobile.twitter.com/seabethree/status/593165093334065153?p=v

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      • BobNoxious says:

        Here is the previous tweet… He is just speculating.

        The BCPD plans to paint the narrative that #FreddieGray made eye contact with them, AFTER they noticed him jump from a 2nd story window— Clifton Norbury (@seabethree) April 28, 2015

        And it was in that fall from that jump where he shattered his spine.— Clifton Norbury (@seabethree) April 28, 2015

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        • Concerned says:

          But if the police really had seen him jump (and better yet if it’s on video), wouldn’t they have mentioned it already?

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          • True Colors says:

            If the autopsy on Freddue Gray shows significant injuries to his feet or ankles then that could be an indication of him making a big jump.

            Go back to the arrest.

            Gray was healthy enough to run from the cops.

            Then he was screaming out in apparent agony as the police as they were loading him into the van.

            The most reasonable explanation IMO is that Gray got hurt in netween those two events — i.e., Gray was hurt after he started running but before the police apprehended him.

            TC

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          • maggiemoowho says:

            I would think it would have been mentioned, but who knows what this crooked DA.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      The ME has a” fixation on causation “….In the Paddy Wagon.

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    • Concerned says:

      Question for you well-informed people: did we ever see an official comment or report from the ME regarding Gray’s injury? Or do we just have info from the media? I know one source of the info about the “bolt” injury to Gray’s head and the theory that Gray “slammed” into the back of the van was the local ABC channel. Was this ever corroborated? All that I’m aware of is info from the charging document which is absurdly vague and does not mention a head injury or a bolt: The manner of death, deemed a homicide by the Maryland State Medical Examiner, is believed to be the result of a fatal injury that occurred while Mr. Gray was unrestrained by a seat belt in the custody of the BPD wagon. Is someone from Mosby’s office having an affair with someone at the local ABC channel??

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  3. I don’t get it, what’s happening.

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  4. nivico says:

    Camera 2108 or 2106 ???

    Camera 2106 overlooking the Mosby “surrendered to” spot would be the more telling footage!

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  5. Mr. Izz says:

    Is the Baltimore PD trying to get all of this out before any sort of gag order is put in place?

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  6. Nation says:

    Baltimore’s camera locations. idk how up to date this info is.

    http://chamspage.blogspot.com/2012/04/locations-of-baltimore-police.html

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  7. jc says:

    BPD has only just recently reviewed this video or only just (not yet really) uploaded it? Lets say it shows Freddie taking a super-human leap followed by a sub-human landing, enough to severely injure his back. Mosby’s whole case goes out te window because she was more interested in grandstanding than conducting a fair investigation.

    Then it’s time to talk about arresting her for illegal arrests.

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  8. Nation says:

    Isn’t this Camera 2108? Why are they saying it was removed? I am confused.

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  9. James F says:

    “Was not removed at any point in time”

    Have some unhinged conspiracy theorists, like Shaun King, accused the department of deliberately removing this particular video?

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  10. James F says:

    The Baltimore Sun claims it was removed in this new video.

    A cell phone video shot April 12 at Baker and Mount streets shows officers putting Freddie Gray in leg shackles and flexi-cuffs before putting him back in the van, head first and on his stomach.
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/sun-investigates/bs-md-mount-baker-streets-20150520-story.html#page=1

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  11. John Galt says:

    Strange that Baltimore’s rules of ethics require publication of the video, but secrecy of the knife.

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  12. doodahdaze says:

    This “footage” looks familiar.

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  13. New Freddie Gray VIDEO | Video shows Freddie Gray at Baker and Mount streets
    Here’s the youtube link.
    BPD removed the 2108 video because it didn’t show anything significant of the Baker and Mount stop (Stop1), until another amateur video surfaced that showed some of the Baker and Mount stop. The 2108 video doesn’t even show the police van, just another kook filming the police.
    The amateur video shows Freddie on his knees facing the back of the van while the cops change his restraints. What’s significant is the cops put Freddie back in the van face down on the floor, head first. That means his feet are at the back door and his head is forward. That can possibly prove he didn’t suffer any injury during this phase of the van trip, until at least after Stop3, when the cops sat him up.

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    • James F says:

      His legs are obviously working well enough for him to support himself on his knees, so no proof of the alleged “80% spine severing” at this stage.

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    • dizzymissl says:

      Seems to me the new bystander video shows Freddie was not paralyzed at that time. To me, it looks like he went from laying flat to getting up on his knees.

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    • Concerned says:

      Baltimore Sun is sloppy. They claim that BPD removed the 2108 video. But BPD says they did not remove it, and in fact it was included with video from camera 2106 posted 4 weeks ago, see Nation’s post above at 4:16pm.

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  14. helloprovidenceutspies says:

    The internet says he was loaded head first face down with his hands cuffed behind his back. Probably you’d try and raise your face off the floor as much as possible to avoid hitting you nose on the floor with every little bump. The floor looks pretty slippery to me. A sudden stop “rough ride” and your head slams into the wall and since your head is slightly raised your neck is snapped. One account says the force necessary for Grays injury is the equivalent of dropping him on hi head with a slight tilt so his forehead hits first onto concrete from a height of 10 feet. A few years ago a Baltimore policeman testified in court that they DO give some passengers ROUGH RIDES. Here’s a picture of probably what the police van floor looks like;

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    • Mr. Izz says:

      There is too much additional information out there to just jump on the bandwagon of one police officer admitting they occasionally give “rough rides”.

      We’re still only hearing one side of what happened, and even then, that one side’s “facts” are fractured, incomplete, inconclusive, odd, and inconsistent.

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    • James F says:

      Isn’t this also where the other rider got on board?

      The same rider/witness who stated it was a smooth ride and who was uninjured?

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    • skeptiktank says:

      The diamond plate finish on that floor would seriously impede his sliding speed.

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      • James F says:

        But it “looks pretty slippery” because it so shiny! Maybe those evil cops greased it down with crisco or something!

        The added texture reduces the risk of slipping, making diamond plate a solution for stairs, catwalks, walkways, and ramps[1] in industrial settings.[2] Its non-skid properties mean that diamond plate is frequently used on the interior of ambulances and on the footplates of firetrucks. Additional applications include truck beds and trailer floors.[1]
        http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_plate

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    • jason says:

      that theory is inconsistent with the supposed report that Freddy had a head injury from a bolt located at the back of the van.

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  15. saywhat64 says:

    Reported Freddy Gray fractured cervical vertebrae. Highly unlikely this would occur in a jump in which he landed on his feet unless he had a precarious pre-existing condition. It will be interesting to see any footage of a jump however and even more revealing to see the autopsy report. BTW I am a retired Doc..

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    • Mr. Izz says:

      There have been rumors that he was recovering from a neck/spine surgery that came about from a bike accident. As far as I’m aware, this has been unconfirmed, and probably nonsense.

      The other passenger in the van initially said that he heard Gray banging and making a lot of noise. Slamming his head against the inside of van could have caused damage to the vertebrae.

      Unfortunately, we’re missing so much information. Things aren’t adding up though.

      As a side note…. you should ended your post (and all future posts) as: “Trust me, I’m a doctor.”

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      • jason says:

        The medics who transported him also stated Freddie was known for “banging his head against the wall” in an intent to injure himself to avoid booking.

        No, there is not published reference stating the above info but is what the medics stated shortly after arriving at UMMS

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  16. saywhat64 says:

    If Gray did suffer a fracture to a lower thoracic and/or upper lumbar vertebrae then a jump from a second story onto his feet could very likely be the cause of his fractures and spinal injury..

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    • wyntre says:

      Anything is possible in a fall/jump. I fractured my coccyx by slipping off a horse’s back, misjudging the distance to the ground, falling a foot or so and sitting back hard in soft riding arena dirt. That’s all it took to break my tailbone.

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    • Concerned says:

      I think it was cervical vertebrae that were fractured. Any opinion about that? I asked another question above, I hope you can answer!

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  17. Armie says:

    Not much there. The van is parked right under the camera. The video’s in 9 pieces, in one of the early pieces you get a couple of frames of the van activity at the bottom of the frame. In the 5-8 range, you can see the interaction with the guy who shot the cellphone video. Tha’s about it.

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  18. Nation says:

    I am starting to suspect that #2108 was tampered with. The camera “freezes” when it goes over the paddy wagon. However, the camera works fine before the paddy wagon arrives and after the paddy wagon leaves. I posted the full video above (Gilmore Homes Surveillance Footage April 12, 2015); #2108 starts at 8:06.

    I also find it suspicious that the police accosted the guy in the white shirt who was filming on his cellphone. Usually the police do that when they do not like what you are filming. I would like to see the video of the guy in the white shirt. And I want to know why he did not film his full interaction with the police.

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    • Armie says:

      Interesting: Motion freezes, then jumps ahead at those spots, but the time code keeps running continuously, which implies it’s something the camera was doing at the time the footage was captured. (There’s ways to fake that in editing, but it’d need to be done by somebody with some level of expertise.) Without knowing what their lash-up is, I wouldn’t hazard a guess.

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    • Armie says:

      Looking a bit further, I did find one spot on 2108(4) where there’s a seven second freeze in video and timecode from 8:49:03 to 8:49:10. That’s the same area where there’s a freeze in just action on the footage you posted, but it doesn’t happen at exactly the same moment… the freeze is about half a second earlier in the action on the one you posted. So whatever the cause of the one on 2108 (4), it happened after the footage was shot. Still doesn’t rule out their claim of tech problems, though. But it is odd that it just happens to be at the moment the camera pans past the van.

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  19. cosmo24 says:

    Going back to when he made eye contact with police and bolted into that building to avoid them,, was he not a known drug dealer in that neighborhood who possibly was running from them to dispose of anything he was carrying (excluding the controversial knife)

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    • talkaftercarefulthought says:

      I believe he had more than a handful of prior records I want to say 18 but it may be 8

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    • jason says:

      yes… def known dealer, definitely known to deal in that neighborhood (in fact, at the very spot the LEO made ‘eye contact’ with them). running into building is anyone’s guess but odd to go into building and then come back out shortly after and surrender to PD.

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