Jessica Chambers Murder – Day #82 – DA Champion Gives A Timeline…. *UPDATE*

A few hours ago the lead investigator in the Jessica Chambers case, Mississippi District Attorney John Champion, gave a press conference outlining the timeline of Jessica’s activity on 12/6/14, the day she was brutally killed.

I did not see the interview and we are awaiting video from Local24 a Memphis News Station.

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However, in the interim here is live feed tweets containing some of the details outlined by DA Champion:

Meaning her cell phone was active at the scene of the crime at 7:31pm but the emergency call to the fire department did not come in until 8:09pm. So Jessica was with someone at the scene on Herron Road for approximately 30 minutes prior to the assault and fire.

This one is a no-brainer of sorts. We know the U.S. Marshals service was on the case early on. We also know they were conducting some kind of investigation in/around Panola county prior to, and most likely unrelated to, Jessica Chambers death. USMS have the most exhaustive cell phone analytic technology available – so we know they have geo-location and cell phone tower ping logs.

In addition, depending on the scope of prior and current investigative intents they might have placed a “stingray tower” in the area around Memphis which would allow for even more extensive data recovery. Given the FBI terror alert the week after the murder, it’s reasonable to assume a considerable effort was in place which would infer the possibility of a stingray tower.

An hour gap. During which Lisa Daugherty and Jessica Chambers had a phone call for approximately 20 minutes (6:48pm to 7:08pm or 7:13pm according to mom Lisa Daugherty)

So 6:30pm to 7:30pm is the void (with Lisa Daugherty phone call in the missing hour). Then at 7:30 she is placed at the scene on Herron Road. At 8:09 a call is placed to the fire dept. At 8:13pm the fire department arrives.

At 9:30pm the burned vehicle is photographed at Ali’s gas station.

Local24 produces a transcript report as shared by:

[…] Investigators have traced Jessica’s whereabouts leading up to her death, but don’t know where she was or who she was with between 6:30 p.m. and 7:30 p.m. They say that information is key to helping solve this case.

Champion said investigators have interviewed over 120 people and followed numerous out of state leads, but they have not gotten enough information to generate a suspect. Despite those out of state leads, Champion said they believe the person responsible for killing Jessica is “somebody local” and that it was “not a random act.”

According to the latest timeline, Jessica was seen on surveillance at a local convenience store not far from her home between 5:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. She left the store and went to a home in Courtland.

Around 6:00 p.m., she left the home and was seen in the area of Highway 6 near the first set of stoplights towards Batesville around 6:10 p.m. After she was there for about 10-15 minutes, investigators say she was seen back in the Courtland area at 6:30 p.m.

Investigators have not been able to determine what happened to Jessica after that. Police say she was at the scene of where she was found at 7:31 p.m. and that the fire call was received at 8:09 p.m. When firefighters arrived, Jessica was found literally burning alive. She died at the hospital a few hours later with burns over 90% of her body.  (more)

Questions:

#1)  Was “the home” Charlotte Wilkerson’s house?

#2)  Was the stoplight near the hotel of earlier conversation?

If so all of the prior outlines begin to solidify around an affirmed narrative.

 

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636 Responses to Jessica Chambers Murder – Day #82 – DA Champion Gives A Timeline…. *UPDATE*

  1. coeurdaleneman says:

    What about the 6:48 to 7:13 phone call to her mom?

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  2. jewelsc6 says:

    OMG did she pull over on Herron Rd to talk to Mom ???

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  3. auscitizenmom says:

    “So 6:30pm to 7:30pm is the void (with Lisa Daugherty phone call in the missing hour). Then at 7:30 she is placed at the scene on Herron Road. At 8:09 a call is placed to the fire dept. At 8:13pm the fire department arrives. At 9:30pm the burned vehicle is photographed at Ali’s gas station.”
    “An hour gap. During which Lisa Daugherty and Jessica Chambers had a phone call for approximately 20 minutes (6:48pm to 7:08pm or 7:13pm according to mom Lisa Daugherty)”
    It appears somebody had to work fast.

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  4. coeurdaleneman says:

    OK, she was not only in Batesville, she also was specifically on Highway 6 where every retail service imaginable was available (gas, carwashes, fast food, etc.). Meaning that she was not involved with any of those activities, but something else, given the short window of time (roughly 6:10 to 6:25 at most.) Also, this was BEFORE the final phone call to mom, purportedly stating that mundane activities were her quest. A deception on somebody’s part.

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  5. firefly says:

    According to the latest timeline, Jessica was seen on surveillance at a local convenience store not far from her home between 5:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. So does that mean she was at M&M`s between 5 and 6 pm?

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    • firefly says:

      I am having a hard time posting the link to the Clarion-Ledger article.

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    • lorac says:

      I could have sworn that earlier on they said they had captured her car’s image on the cameras of a few other stores (maybe just driving by?)…. but then I never heard anymore about it.

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    • 2+2 says:

      That’s what Ali said. Because his cameras weren’t reset for DST. I don’t believe him, unless LE has other verification of JLC being there at that time.

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      • 2+2 says:

        She was at home, where she lived with her parents, until 5:00 p.m. At 5:00 p.m., she went to a gas station in Courtland where she was seen on surveillance footage

        She doesn’t live with her parents. She lives with her mother and brother Chris.

        She was there a short period of time. When she left we know she went to a residence in Courtland. She arrived a little before 6:00 and left at 6:00

        Next, she went to Batesville. “Around 6:30 we know she was back in Courtland,” Champion says

        Assume Ali lied about the timers. JLC left home around 6, went to the other residence, then to Batesville, then to M&M around 630. Fits.

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        • 2+2 says:

          One other point. Lisa’s first story said JLC was asleep in her room all day, then came out and said she was going to clean out her car and get something to eat, and Lisa asked her to pick up cigs while she was out. New story is that JLC was asleep on the couch when a call woke her, she put on her coat and left. So JLC left in response to a call, that is why I think she went to the other residence first, in response to that call, then the other errands.

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          • 2+2 says:

            If she left home at 5, and Ali’s story is correct, where was she until 530 when she was seen on the vid there? the gas station isn’t 1/2 hour from her house. LE timeline doesn’t fit, too many holes.

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  6. Donald Joy says:

    Why did Katina Rankin say “7:31 body was found”? Doesn’t make sense.

    Then you said, “Meaning her cell phone was active at the scene of the crime at 7:31pm but the emergency call to the fire department did not come in until 8:09pm.”

    Just wondering on what you base that….

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  7. TriLee55 says:

    What do they mean by saying “at 7:31 her body was found”? Found how; by cell tower, by a motorist? Was she burning from 7:31 until the fire dept responded? Why did it take until 8:09 before someone called the fire dept if her body was found at 7:31? Sorry for all the questions but I don’t live in that area and some of these questions may have been answered at the news conference.

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    • Donald Joy says:

      Affirmative action hire at media outlet Tweeted her miscomprehension of information. Pretty much any high school or college graduate these days probably would have done the same, seeing as for quite some time it has been deemed racist to insist that students learn English and reading comprehension.

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  8. sundance says:

    IMPORTANT NOTE:

    This entire timeline is based around the location of Jessica’s cell phone. It is not, necessarily, evidence of Jessica’s physical location. The tracking is tracking her phone and the interpretation is assuming her phone is on her personage.

    Secondly, just because the cell phone is active and geo-locating does not mean that Jessica was ok, or in good physical condition etc.

    The tracking using the cell phone geo-location and ping-logs only indicates the location of the cell phone and assumes the location of Jessica with it.

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  9. munchkins3 says:

    Forgive me if this is an ignorant question, but don’t cell phones ping different towers as you drive? I didn’t think you had to send/receive a text message or call for the phone to ping. So I don’t understand why they don’t know where she was for that time.

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    • MissMagnolia says:

      SD stated this after the tweet regarding LE not being able to respond to what kind of technology they were using to gather their timeline information on Jessica’s whereabouts.

      “This one is a no-brainer of sorts. We know the U.S. Marshals service was on the case early on. We also know they were conducting some kind of investigation in/around Panola county prior to, and most likely unrelated to, Jessica Chambers death. USMS have the most exhaustive cell phone analytic technology available – so we know they have geo-location and cell phone tower ping logs.”

      So forgive me too if this is an ignorant question, as I know nothing about how this type of technology works, but if they know the rest of the timeline utilizing USMS technology, wouldn’t they be able to determine the 6:30-7:30 unknown time as well?

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      • sundance says:

        Not if your phone is off, and definitely not if the battery is removed.

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        • justfactsplz says:

          Exactly. Notice Champion did not state anything about the twenty minute call between Lisa and Jessica. It’s not part of his timeline. Lisa is the one that talks about that call. If the call had happened I think he would have mentioned something about that when he mentions the hour that’s missing. Like “we don’t know where she was at that hour but we do know she had a twenty minute call to her mother”.

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        • Kitty Smith says:

          Right. Some phones still emit a signal when turned off. The only sure way to not be tracked is to take the battery out.

          If the feds were really monitoring activity in that area, they could have installed a Stingray for the towers in a given area. That device kicks 4G and 3G networks down to the old 2Gs which makes tracking and call monitoring much easier (including on older non-GPS phones) with no need for name/phone number-specific warrants.

          I don’t think Lisa made up the story about the phone call between herself and Jessica. She would have no reason to make it up and she talked about it immediately after the murder.

          My money is on LE having that information, at least until 7:13 or shortly thereafter, even if Jessica shut her phone off because her mom was bugging her or somebody else shut it off for some nefarious reason. They’re not going to state that information in a press conference since that is the critical time period, and they don’t have to and shouldn’t.

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          • 2+2 says:

            LIKE! excellent post, on target! Just because they don’t say, doesn’t mean they don’t KNOW. LE is the only one who has the right to any information, no matter how curious we are or how much we want to help.

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    • firefly says:

      Yes, they do ping on different towers as you drive, as long as they are powered up.

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    • punkinseed says:

      If you review the information published about the Scott Peterson case and trial, it explains a lot about how pings and cell towers work to track a phone. And the Peterson case was in the early 2000’s so tech. has improved since then.

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  10. thatcat2 says:

    (clip)
    A little before 6 p.m., Chambers was at a residence in Courtland for about five to seven minutes. Champion said officials will not elaborate on whose residence that was or what she did there, nor if she picked someone up or dropped someone off.

    She went from that residence to the area of Woodland and Highway 6 in Batesville. Champion said there are several businesses there she may have visited, and she was in that area for about 10 to 15 minutes. A separate, privately owned video source caught an image of her in her car during this time, but authorities said they know where she was going.
    (clip)

    http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/17/authorities-release-more-of-jessica-chambers-movements-on-her-last-day/23565615/

    Dang. Could there have been someone in the car like the initial reports claimed?

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  11. coeurdaleneman says:

    My preliminary conclusions:

    She left home to go to a place that was not located across the street from her mom’s house. No, she went to the M&M because it was on the way to a different locale in Courtland proper, south of the M&M (as Ali stated how she was headed when leaving).
    Cut the baloney. It was not about cleaning out the car or heading to Leah’s. And somewhere along the line there was communication with “the neighbor” of sketchy repute.
    The reporters’ clumsy interpretation of the statements do not rule out the Starlight motel, imo.

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    • punkinseed says:

      You’re probably right. I’m thinking she was on a Xanax or whatever type of run for her mom, because if mom was out of smokes, she wouldn’t have been waiting so long and on the phone anxious and Jonesing for said smokes. She’d have gone to the store herself rather than wait for JC to come home. It would explain why Lisa is being so aloof and vague.

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      • 2+2 says:

        lisa doesn’t have a car or doesn’t drive, or can’t drive at night. I’m basing that on the fact that her sister had to pick her up the night JLC died.

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        • Ziiggii says:

          in one of the interviews of Lisa at home (one I used to confirm the home) there is a blue pickup truck in the carport. IIRC, it was a Chevy extended cab with a tool box in the back. I believe it’s Chris’s truck but not 100%.

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          • 2+2 says:

            I remember that, and there was also a google map done of the residence with the truck and JLC’s car parked on the pad. Either Lisa doesn’t have a car or she was out in it at the time of the satphoto. Just judging from her general demeanor and the events we know of, I believe she doesn’t own a car or drive.

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      • ImpeachEmAll says:

        Perhaps she did not desire to seen at the M&M;

        purchasing some chicken, Southern Fried, of course.

        Girlish figure and all that subconscious stress.

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      • reconcharlie76 says:

        what is it with these xanax runs? seriously

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        • Ziiggii says:

          speculation purely… it was thought maybe Lisa is/was on a benzo due to her appearing “flat”.

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          • reconcharlie76 says:

            Having to bury your kid to murder, and not know who did it, can do all sorts of funky personality twists in one. I’ve lived it, just not under a camera.

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            • 2+2 says:

              When my best friend’s husband died, she wept heartrendingly for days, monotone weeping, but no tears. When she spoke, it was in the same flat monotone, very like Lisa’s. She was nearly catatonic. If it wasn’t for her kids, I think she would have gone round the bend. She was treated for PTSD and depression, and is doing much better. I hope Lisa is getting help.

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              • reconcharlie76 says:

                I was told no pill , or counseling will cure it, it takes time, tears, pain,prayer,support. Just horrible the evil that is present in our world today. I hope your friend is better…

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                • 2+2 says:

                  Charlie, your words cut right to the heart. I am also sorry for your loss. Yes my friend is doing better after 2 years of grief counseling, therapy and medications she is gradually weaning off. I didn’t lose anyone to violence, but I lost both parents within 2 weeks of each other, so I understood her pain. It will be 5 years next month, at times the grief and “what if’s” still kick in. There are no platitudes that take away the hurt and loss, but prayer and tears help ease that pain with time. I hope each day is a little easier for you to face. We don’t forget, ever, but try to remember them as they were with love and smiles through our tears. I hope you don’t mind a hug. {{{{{hug}}}}}

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                • reconcharlie76 says:

                  I am sorry for your loss also friend. That is very hard to take, but they are together. They raised a dynamite person who holds out their hand to others who need help. God bless you ❤ Hugging back 🙂

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            • flyonthewall1 says:

              Charlie, I’m so very sorry for your loss. I admire you for helping seek justice for Jessica after your tragic loss.

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        • punkinseed says:

          Yes. Seriously. I was thinking she was getting some Xanax or some other med for her mom (not cigarettes), which would explain why Lisa hasn’t been very forthcoming. If you’ve seen The Whites of Boone Co. you’d understand. It’s on Netflix.

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    • Kitty Smith says:

      I agree, if that’s the motel where Sha-Sha works. “They went too far.”

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  12. doodahdaze says:

    A larger reward should do the trick plus a little time. The case will break on a call from someone who knows. If the perp has zero connects it might not. If more than one knows then sooner or later.

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    • Kitty Smith says:

      LE knows. They don’t have the evidence to make the case without witnesses willing to testify, meaning people with direct knowledge of or involvement in the murder.

      It will probably take a falling out between the perps to get one of them to talk in anger. Their loyalty and fear of reprisal run deadly deep. They won’t do it for the amount of money offered.

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  13. sundance says:

    We need to convert the timeline to a map. Assuming “the house” is Charlotte Wilkerson based on earlier interviews etc.

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      That would sure help..

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    • coeurdaleneman says:

      So let’s flesh out that hypothetical.

      Jessica leaves home and gets to the M&M around 5:20 (security camera info). She was on a mission to get gas, smokes, and/or something else available at the M&M.

      (Sometime within that timeframe, she must have had a communication with CW about a change in plans, otherwise she would have only had to have gone across the street beforehand, right?)

      She backtracks onto Carlisle Road going north. Once at CW’s, a partly plan is hatched, involving going toward Batesville to a shady spot mentioned in some earlier threads. It only lasts at that locae between 6:10 and 6:25 +/-, before heading down south again So far so good?.

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      • jewelsc6 says:

        There was no party so we know Charlotte lied. She clearly set her up in my opinion

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        • coeurdaleneman says:

          I agree, I used “party” because that was the ruse that everyone understands.

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          • TriLee55 says:

            Even the DA admits there was no party. So why isn’t CW being arrested for lying to LE or perjury? Her false information has jeopardized the integrity of the investigation when it first began. IMO she should be held accountable and arrested!

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            • Kitty Smith says:

              A party isn’t always a fun, jokes, drinks, and music event. 🙂 A “party” is a term prostitutes often use in reference to an encounter with a john.

              What better person to be in that business or an aid to that business than a motel maid with a master key to all the rooms?

              Perhaps there were some surprise guests in a motel room that someone enticed Jessica to go to “just one more time, please, please”?

              “They went too far.”

              I think a better exercise would be a time-lined aggregation of all of CW’s statements. Then plot a map with the cell tower pings that LE provided (and the Lisa phone call) and reconcile them to the most logical extent possible with as few assumptions as possible.

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        • oldiadguy says:

          Or maybe there was a party and she was on a food run. I did a Bing search for Hwy 6 and Woodland Road and that intersection appears to be the first electric signal leading into Batesville. There are several fast food restaurants (Kentucky Fried) on Hwy 6 just past Woodland Road. There is also a car wash there. Ten to fifteen minutes would be about the right time to pickup some fast food or do a quick car wash.

          If she did pickup some fast food that might explain why she returned to Courtland and the party location.

          Sorry coeurdaleneman, for me the motel theory is weak. If a “call girl” was going to a location to meet a john, she would wait for a while, much longer than 10 to 15 minutes. She would also make some calls to the person who set it up the meet if the john did not show up. Remember, the Feds have the expertise so they probably had/have JC’s cellphone and have gone through it, they have her call logs as well. If there had been a meet as you theorized, there would have been some data that would have indicated same.

          Since the Woodson Road info is being pulled back, my guess they are trying not to provide specific information where she was so to protect any possible witness(es) who may have placed her there.

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          • goodoldboy66 says:

            You mean like at Arnold’s drive thru.

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          • pspsst says:

            Also the caller to Jessica before she left home, if it was CW, has been cleared. There was rumor among Rudds or facebook that Jessica was last seen at Boone’s, so I wonder if the Boone house is in Courtland.

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          • Kitty Smith says:

            There’s no indication Jessica was ever a “pro” and if her trusted friend set it up as in the past, there wouldn’t be the steps taken you suggest. The bad guys that her trusted friend vouched for would just show up, get let into the room, Jessica comes along, happens to get a call from her mom, goes inside, and that’s the beginning of the end.

            I agree LE knows the location and isn’t saying, which is the way it should be.

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        • 2+2 says:

          Remember, the FBI said “Jessica was the party.” They knew early on the party story was a red herring.

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          • Kitty Smith says:

            No, I don’t think so. “Party” also means an encounter with a john. If she was set up to supposedly see a john at a certain motel or other location, she was indeed the “party”.

            The FBI statement makes it pretty clear this was a set-up to nab, murder and perhaps rape Jessica. She would also be the “party” in a sexual/power sense if one of the purposes was rape.

            It seems to me that if Jessica left the house to go to a true party in the ‘friendly gathering’ sense of the word, thereby deceiving her mother (which happens a lot everywhere), she would have looked better, dressed better, etc.. Or did she change clothes and fix up? Do we know if she was found dying in the same clothes we saw her wearing inside the M&M?

            Last but not least, if it’s true that Jessica indicated to her mother more than once that she was afraid of some people, would she really go to a ‘friendly gathering’ type of party in that little town or Batesville?

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            • 2+2 says:

              I agree, and that’s what I meant by the “party” story being a red herring thrown out by CW.

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              • 2+2 says:

                At first the DA said they couldn’t find anyone who had been at said “party”; then he said they did hear about a party but nobody had seen JLC there; then he said 2 people did see her there; now it’s back to there was no party.

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          • Lottacats says:

            2×2, that’s so sad. “Remember, the FBI said “Jessica was the party.” ”
            I hadn’t read that but believe it and I feel she was followed by others to that spot where it all happened. I’m not sure that road was well traveled on Saturday night. I think M&M was a kind of hang out in the hood or 51 would be well traveled to Batesville. Location looked secluded enough for what happened. Doubt anyone passing would get involved if they saw any of it anyway. It would be scary. I mean, who called in the car fire? Unknown.

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          • jewelsc6 says:

            Obstruction of Justice ! throw her in jail and question until she cracks !

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    • Donald Joy says:

      Wish they’d tell us whose residence….!

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    • punkinseed says:

      Excellent idea. Who has the knowhow with Adobe Illustrator to make a great map?

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    • Kitty Smith says:

      Who was the person Jessica spoke to out of camera range at the M&M?

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      • 2+2 says:

        Sandy Rudd, Teanna Rudd and others. Thats where Brejuan took the gas when he went off-camera.

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        • Ziiggii says:

          let’s don’t muddy the waters…. It was Sandy Rudd, Kesha Ivy Sanford who spoke to JLC off camera (Sandy made that statement). We do not know if Teanna was present or not. We do know Brejuan was there and it was speculated that Teanna was inside the M&M with him before filling up gas cans. But we do not know for sure.

          We do know Sandy, Kesha, Brejuan and at least Derrick’s car was present for sure.

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          • 2+2 says:

            correct. Sandy made that statement on FB. I’m speculating that was Teanna or Sandy who followed Brejuan out of the store, and that she went off camera to the others.

            Ziigg, are you referring to the red car with the chromies? That is Kedrick Turner’s car.

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    • reconcharlie76 says:

      in your email

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      • Ziiggii says:

        did you create one Recon? I saw Diane made one and posted below. I also have been working on one, but was including more of the known POI’s that have been uncovered.

        Just wondering if I should just spend my time researching other things instead?

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        • 2+2 says:

          ziig, IMO the more POV’s the better. We might notice something that would produce a consolidated timeline that make sense. So if you don’t feel like it’s a waste of your time, or that your time would be better spent researching other things, please make yours and post. I would appreciate it. 🙂

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          • Ziiggii says:

            You’re awesome! I was/am doing the same thing you did with Google Maps…

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            • reconcharlie76 says:

              Click on all the icons on left side, as it is numbered in numerological order, and it gives you all data, confirmed via CLARION LEDGER. We need to find this confirmed when she left the gas station too. Maybe a possible tape can confirm this? Also look into for video slowdown and looping.
              http://www.youtubeslow.com/

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              • Ziiggii says:

                yes, you did exactly what I was doing by adding the “known” items of the timeline inside the pins themselves. I wish we could collaborate on this out of thread. I think adding the other POI to that map would be very helpful. (other characters, cell sites, etc.)

                As far as video… do you mean adding video into the pins text area? Can easily convert a video into a looped gif if that’s what you mean, but I’ll play around with the settings to see if it works or not.

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                • 2+2 says:

                  if y’all have FB or any other instant chat that is easily done. Another group I belonged to used MSN Instant Messenger and AOL. Just use the same names and emails you use on here or create another email for it and use your Treeper name.

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                • Ziiggii says:

                  The issue is being able to share it without being trolled or hit with a ton of spam. I’d send in my info to SD and Mods if it wasn’t to much of a burden. But, they already have their hands full just about every time this thread opens and embarrassingly, some of that is my fault at times. Us “young bucks” can be sooo…. stupid sometimes!

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                • 2+2 says:

                  Ziig, are you including antennas as well as towers on your map?

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                • Ziiggii says:

                  all the same in my book. Most antenna’s over 200 ft have cell freq transmitters and receivers leased out to carriers.

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                • reconcharlie76 says:

                  google you tube slow it does it for you.. Copy the map , i have and make one with more info you need.

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              • 2+2 says:

                I spent the day looking for that. I know there is a tape showing her leaving the station and turning south, but I couldn’t find it. I went back through the threads here, and we know exactly what time she arrived and what time she walked out the door and got in her car, but can only estimate the time she left because apparently the public clip doesn’t show that time. A few Treepers timed putting 14 gals of gas in their cars and estimate 5:32 is the time she drove off.

                Jewel, I think you posted a link with that tape on it. Can you please check your file and repost for us today?

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          • 2+2 says:

            woohoo!!! Nice! 🙂 2 thumbs up!

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  14. Kristy Probst says:

    Then why did her mother Lisa state on the radio interview that she spoke to Jess at 6:48 for 20 min. Why can’t they find the pings from that phone call or was there really a phone call?? Lies and secrets.

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    • TriLee55 says:

      Excellent point.

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    • twoeyes1947 says:

      Sounds like Lisa has her times wrong.

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    • justfactsplz says:

      I’ve come to the conclusion that there was no phone call. Only in Lisa’ warped mind imo.

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    • Kitty Smith says:

      I don’t think it’s that they can’t find them. It’s probably because the phone call took place at the location from where Jessica was abducted/overpowered/lured to. No background noise, according to Lisa. The cops don’t want to reveal that information or the ping locations after the Lisa call because it’s the time period of the murder. If they reveal her location when she talked to Lisa, it simultaneously reveals that they know the location where she was just before she was abducted/overpowered.

      If accurate, that leads us to three possibilities why that would be:

      1). They’re protecting someone.
      2). It suggests to the perps their identity is known
      3). The cops are crooked and are indicating they’re playing “see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil” to the perps to keep them happy.

      My money is on #2, with maybe #1 thrown in.

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  15. bofh says:

    Sundance – I think your suggestion of one or more stingray towers is right on the money – it would explain their repeated refusal to go into techinical detail. Plus, those units are probably logging a lot more than call metadata, and that data might not be something that they want to admit to having?

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    • punkinseed says:

      Great points. And stringray has been around for some time. Speaking of more than metadata, it also may be that LE is trying very hard to avoid “fruit of the poisonous tree” which would sour a lot of the findings.

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    • sundance says:

      Those units are logging a lot more than call metadata. From what I have previously researched the Stingray towers actually capture texts, email transmissions, and recording of wireless phone content.

      They are passive sponges soaking up all information that comes within the proximity of their location. Because of their static location (passive capture) it would appear that warrants are not needed to retrieve the actual transmitted data, texts, emails and recordings.

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  16. thatcat2 says:

    “According to the latest timeline, Jessica was seen on surveillance at a local convenience store not far from her home between 5:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. She left the store and went to a home in Courtland.’
    I thought Charlotte lived across the street JC which is north of M & M. Didn’t Jessica leave M & M heading south on 51?

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    • justfactsplz says:

      Besides Charlotte living across the street Jessica’s mom would have seen Jessica’s car there and wanted her smokes. It had to be somebody else’s house I think. But whose?

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      • twoeyes1947 says:

        What if she went to Theresa’s house and picked up BR?

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        • justfactsplz says:

          Now that’s a possibility. Oh, brother.

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        • Ziiggii says:

          Their house is on the other side of I-55.

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          • wanthetruth says:

            But……since we aren’t positive of the accuracy of the time Jessica left home, she still could have gone to Bryan R’s house couldn’t she? Don’t they still live in Courtland? Just wondering if you are basing that thought of not going to BR’s house on what direction she went when she left the M&M Ziiggii?

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            • Ziiggii says:

              It is a possibility yes and their address is Courtland but only for USPS. The area of their house goes by another name other than Courtland; I just can not locate it in my notes right now, sorry. Also, the direction JLC exited M&M is an issue for her going there. Unless she used McNeely or I-55 to backtrack. Where was she going leaving south on Hwy 51?

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  17. MissMagnolia says:

    On the initial write up on wreg website this afternoon, it was stated that she was near Hwy 6 and Woodland. The article has since been changed to her being at a stoplight and LE could not speak anymore to the specifics of the location. Interesting location if she was near or drove down the latter.

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  18. jewelsc6 says:

    This timeline is not making much sense..

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  19. goodoldboy66 says:

    Per SD, “Around 6:00 p.m., she left the home and was SEEN in the area of Highway 6 near the first set of stoplights towards Batesville around 6:10 p.m. After she was there for about 10-15 minutes, investigators say she was SEEN back in the Courtland area at 6:30 p.m.”

    Also per SD, “This ENTIRE timeline is based around the location of Jessica’s cell phone. It is not, necessarily, evidence of Jessica’s physical location. The tracking is tracking her phone and the interpretation is assuming her phone is on her personage……The tracking using the cell phone geo-location and ping-logs only indicates the location of the cell phone and assumes the location of Jessica with it”.

    Question for clarity –
    (1) was she really SEEN in these two different locations? Was she seen in ‘her’ car or another vehicle, was she driving, was she a passenger?
    or
    (2) was her phone tracked at these locations – up by Batesville ~610 and back in Courtland ~630?

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  20. lovelyd24 says:

    Investigators have not been able to determine what happened to Jessica after that. Police say she was at the scene of where she was found at 7:31 p.m. and that the fire call was received at 8:09 p.m.

    Who was it that saw Jessica “waving hard” and in retrospect wished that she had stopped? Whoever it was very, very likely saw Jessica with her killers.

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  21. Michael Dixon says:

    Why am I thinking of the famous Bud Abbot-Lou Costello skit, “Who’s on first?”

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  22. goodoldboy66 says:

    2+2, continuing with the female you brought up yesterday this was buried in a convo with a different camelpirate. KHD – Dec 27, 2014 at 1:13pm From : YH (انت الحزن كلو) and when FB auto translate used yielded “You are sad pentachlorophenolate” aka PCP. Dec 27, 2014 at 7:13pm. Odd wouldn’t you say?

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    • 2+2 says:

      Indeed, I have that in notes also. A lot of us are on the same page. 😉

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    • ImpeachEmAll says:

      Bing translates as, “(You’re sad Chloe)”

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      • 2+2 says:

        *A slang term to refer to cocaine. The term “Chloe” comes from the fact that cocaine also starts with an “C” and many other drugs use girls’ names as slang for their respective drug.

        Chloe is sometimes used as a code word for cocaine when referring to the drug in a public setting or over the phone where one does not want to openly discuss illegal activities.

        Chloe is used like a person’s name in such discussions. Like saying “When Chloe is around I am always happy” to indicate that when cocaine is readily available this person is always in a “happy” or euphoric state*

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  23. Nycgal says:

    What exactly is at that first set of stop lights? Was she just pulled onto a shoulder of the road or are there businesses there? Was she seen in her car there? Outside of her car? And if Champion really wants input after all of this time as memories have faded, why in the heck doesn’t he say exactly which house Jessica went to? This is important! Dear God I hope the feckless reporters demanded an answer.

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    • punkinseed says:

      The traffic lights have cameras is my guess.

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    • MissMagnolia says:

      Goody’s, where she was employed is not even a quarter mile down Keating which is the opposite way from Woodland. SD says she was possibly picking up shoes on layaway in the thread below…did she go by work? Is this where her shoes were? Also, back Down Woodland is Eureka rd….isn’t this where the Rudds live?

      So many possibilities, so little information…

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  24. coeurdaleneman says:

    The phone call to maw between 6:48 and 7:13 suggests the following:

    Whatever happened at the Starlight around 6:10 (and later) fizzled, and the characters there faded from the scene. And that JLC talked to maw–in unthreatening circumstances–while waiting for another client. Maybe right at the quiet Herron site.

    For months, I’ve had suspicions about a certain guy, and these revelations do not deter. If anything, they bolster.

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  25. MsSmallTown says:

    If you leave M&M headed south, turn onto McNeely Road… you would be headed to Derrick Holmes’ house, leave there and you’ll be on your way to Batesville via I-55

    Just a FYI

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  26. lovelyd24 says:

    http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/17/authorities-release-more-of-jessica-chambers-movements-on-her-last-day/23565615/

    At around 7:31, we’ve got her on the scene where she was found,” Champion said. “There’s that one hour gap we can’t put her in a particular spot… yet. We’re asking anyone who saw her between 6:30 and 7:30 that night to let us know

    Good gravy! What do they expect to happen now? Do they really expect anyone to believe that there is a single person in Courtlnd that does not know if they saw Jessica between 6:30 and 7:30 that they are holding crucial information? What an absolute joke Let us know

    There’s nothing at all to say she was at a party,” Champion said

    So is it not significant then that someone lied and said that Jessica was at a party in the last moments before her death ?

    *If you’ve got a lone perpetrator or two people doing this on their own and choose not to speak and don’t leave evidence, that makes things much more difficult for us,” Champion said. “We do believe it’s someone local, we don’t believe this is a random act, but other than that we’re just, it’s very frustrating**

    So frustrated? Good job dullard, let the evil that burned a young woman alive know that you are feeling frustrated. Maybe they will send a Wahhmbulance. What a load.

    But thanks be to the Lord of the Flies, Ali is in the clear!

    This “news conference” is just more baloney.

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    • justfactsplz says:

      If Ali truly is in the clear that means different surveillance cameras filmed him at the store during the entire time frame. That doesn’t mean he didn’t order the hit though. I’m surprised that her car wasn’t still smoking as quickly as it arrived at the M&M. Good grief.

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      • pspsst says:

        Laughing at white girls as chicken wings, and other assorted pics, he’s a little perv, isn’t he? Pervs like him experience a buzz from pics of their arson work. If you were the son of the owner of a gas station, would you jump outside with your camera to take exquisite interior and exterior photos of a burnt up car if you later protested you didn’t know the car belonged to Jessica? It would have been an unknown car to him at 9:30. Why climb around like a monkey to get those photos on the trailer? He probably asked if he could touch it because it was still warm. He’s still suspicious.

        In a town like that, scrap metal would mean much. It would not be the motive but good enough to get a tow to pass by casually and stop. Tow trucks are always lurking and at the ready. Darby wouldn’t be too picky.

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        • justfactsplz says:

          It was Ali’s picture of the woman portrayed as drumsticks of chicken that made me suspect he might of been involved with prostitution. Yes he is a little perv. I still think he is involved in some way. Him taking and posting the pictures of the burned car was a signal to someone. See the car. Deed has been completed sort of thing.

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          • pspsst says:

            As an aside, Leviant in ISIL stands for earth of the rising sun. The flag behind the car at first glance looks like a rising half sun. That photo shouts GUILTY. He’s been cleared tho. I’M PRETTY SURE HE’S INNOCENT IF LE SAYS SO.

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            • justfactsplz says:

              I still stand that he had something to do with it. Why would LE say only one person was cleared when they interviewed over a hundred? Fishy. Something’s afoot.

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              • MsSmallTown says:

                I’m pretty sure that the only reason they are saying Ali is the only suspect cleared is because the in-store cameras prove that he was there the entire time this was happening. Why is that so hard for some to believe? IMO, it just seems to me this would be the one thing that thay could say with certainty…

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                • justfactsplz says:

                  I can believe the cameras said he was there the whole time. What bothers me is the Daylight Time deal. Also he could have ordered the hit and still been at the store the whole time waiting for the car to arrive for him to see.

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                • MsSmallTown says:

                  I’m not sure I would choose Ali as a close friend but I do believe him about the DST. A lot of the CCTV systems in use today still use a DVR to record and they have to be manually updated, so I’ll accept that as a true story.

                  You’re right about not having to be present to be the initiator though. IDK, all the different possibilities are limitless I guess.

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                • justfactsplz says:

                  We have never worked a case such as this one with so many possible perps. It is frustrating.

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      • 2+2 says:

        In reviewing the videos from inside the store, and that one with all the thumbnails, can anyone see a clock anywhere? It’s likely Ali has been cleared of being at the crime scene because he’s on CCTV that hasn’t been made available to the public. However, I’m still doubtful of his DST story, and if it’s a lie, his reasons for JLC being there an hour earlier than she actually was.

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        • justfactsplz says:

          He was probably cleared because of the tapes. But what if he changed the time which gave him time to leave for a few minutes?

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      • tessa50 says:

        May not have anything to do with different cameras. That car being there, let alone having been towed that quickly strikes everyone wrong. I still think Ali is involved in a way, just not the way others do. Why was he the only one publicly cleared? Makes you wonder.

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    • lorac says:

      But I thought that CW said that she had “heard” that Jessica was at a party and left with some guys – not necessarily that she was there herself – or am I remembering wrong?

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  27. vin1vid1vic1 says:

    What the DA Champion didn’t say when asked by reporters speaks? What he did say: Autopsy results: Reiterates cause of death was injuries from fire, could not say more because it might compromise evidence. It was not anything they didn’t expect. Which brings the question: What DID they expect to find? 1. evidence of rape or sexual contact. 2. drugs in blood work. 3.physical trauma from beating.

    Jessica visited someone at a “residence”. LE knows which residence, would not say whose. Her visit was short. Person/s at the residence have been questioned.

    The “party”. Champion: There was no “party”

    Jessica went to Batesville then back to Courtland area. She was seen at a stop light (either camera or eye witness) also personal camera on someone’s home.

    The streamed news coverage of today’s update with Champion was of poor quality where the screen became pixelated several times, then went dark, the sound quality was low and broken at several points. WREG might want to get their coverage to a better level. The interview with Champion was over 25 minutes. How much will they edit for the news programming? Still nice that they attempted to gain some new insight.

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  28. jewelsc6 says:

    So why say they do not know her location from 6:30 -7:30? When clearly Mom was on the phone with her at 7:13. I am guessing they picked up that ping so they know where she was at 7:13. And I am sure her Mom asked her “where are you”. And we know it was very quiet..

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  29. lovelyd24 says:

    I tried to post this as part of a longer post but it has disappeared and not in moderation so here are a couple of points of interest to me

    There’s nothing at all to say she was at a party,” Champion said

    So is it not significant then that someone lied and said that Jessica was at a party in the last moments before her death ?

    and

    At around 7:31, we’ve got her on the scene where she was found,” Champion said. “There’s that one hour gap we can’t put her in a particular spot… yet. We’re asking anyone who saw her between 6:30 and 7:30 that night to let us know

    Good gravy! What do they expect to happen now? Do they really expect anyone to believe that there is a single person in Courtlnd that does not know if they saw Jessica between 6:30 and 7:30 that they are holding crucial information?

    This “press conference” was all smoke and mirrors.

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    • Kitty Smith says:

      It’s not “smoke and mirrors” just because we want information and LE is leaving out crucial parts we’d love to know. If YOU were LE, and charged with solving this case and making a prosecutable arrest and didn’t have anyone in custody yet but the public was bellowing for answers and information, would YOU reveal the evidence and crucial information you had so far gathered?

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  30. Meyer says:

    Didn’t JC have two cell phones . . . . a personal phone and another one from Leah’s house? I wonder if she had both with her that evening. I wonder if LE tracked her location using both phones.

    As I recall, her personal phone was found by LE on/around December 10th close to the crime scene. Was the second cell phone ever located?.

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  31. suzlady says:

    Who was texting her would be great to know-who called or texted before she left home?

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  32. crosshairs800yd says:

    Question: Dose anyone one now how accurate the ping sites are? How close to a certain area can they narrow it down to? 100 yards? 300yards? How can they put at that exact location at 7:31? Could she of been at a house near to that location?

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    • 2+2 says:

      I’m not sure if this is the standard, but I know in one area it’s 500 yards. We have had 3 car drownings in our area within the last year, foul play suspected. It took months to find one of them, the ping range was 500 yards. The family finally asked for help and hundreds of people turned out on a weekend, split up into teams of 5 and scoured the area walking, wading, and paddling small boats in the swamp. It took 2 days of constant search but the volunteers found her in her car.

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    • Ziiggii says:

      It would depend on which method used to obtain the ping information but if it were a Stingray… IDK?

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  33. vin1vid1vic1 says:

    http://wreg.com/on-air/live-streaming/ 6 O’clock news story

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  34. Perfect Beast says:

    Is it possible to do an analysis of other cell phone pings to see who’s phones were in the same area as Jessica’s during the time she was killed, just in case the killer(s) didn’t have the forethought to ditch their phones before going to the murder site?

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    • PFacreby1956 says:

      Yes, but a warrant is required.

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    • sundance says:

      The USMS most certainly knows what phones traveled past Jessica on Herron Rd during the time 7:30pm to 8:09pm. Any phone on that road would have pinged on the same tower(s) as those receiving the connections from Jessica’s phone.

      Had a phone stayed in the area they would know that too…. just like they would know if the phone continued (and pinged) during a travel away from the scene.

      So we can assume/infer, that no-one traveling on Herron Road between 7:30pm and 8:09pm is considered an active suspect. If there was an active suspect identified as a direct result of the geo-location they would never have revealed the phone data log that ID’s the location of Jessica at a specific time. That type of evidence would be saved for court.

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      • vin1vid1vic1 says:

        Sometime between 7:13 and 7:30 Jessica got knocked in the head. She could have been unconscious or gravely disabled during part of that time either before or during the time her car came to rest at the Herron Rd. spot. LE stated weeks ago that someone was with her in her car. What was their basis for this statement? Witnesses also said she had been arguing with some one/s(Several versions of that)

        I am inclined to think that it was business deliveries involved and she was making the runs. Possibly she was picking up “chicken” from Ali earlier. Someone ( black female) early on wrote on Ali’s FB when he was in NY something about missing her “blacks'(?) Checking around I learned it and other derivatives is one of the names for meth.
        The methamphetamine connections just won’t go away to my thinking. They try to fly under radar with the business. Xanax and the benzopines are popular and scripts are accessible in various ways from doctors and then sold on the street for a good price.

        Wouldn’t be surprised that Lisa likes her pills. Ben was in the business, and the family learned the tricks of the trade. Tearing their ill motivated character apart is not my intention, just pointing out realities. Old habits and lucrative business are hard to part with. Thinking this is what Champion may have eluded to saying the autopsy did not show anything he didn’t expect. Jessica liked weed and Bryan Rudd commented he had knowledge that she had gotten into other drugs. Some want to believe that Leah’s House was a miracle working event and a new Jessica came forth after her time there. While I agree that she benefited, anyone in the know understands that addictions don’t always dissolve magically and instantly. It’s mostly a process and it was still fresh for Jessica. And peer influence sways even the strong to stumble.

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        • flyonthewall1 says:

          …and we have a winner
          “I am inclined to think that it was business deliveries involved and she was making the runs.”

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        • derksut says:

          Deliveries does make sense with going to M&M, then a house, up to Batesville then back down to Courtland, and the extra gas she bought. She could have been back to old ways, if that is what she was involved in before Leah”s. She was gone longer than Lisa stated that she’d be, only going to get something to eat and clean/wash car. However, she did appear reluctant to talk to whomever was off camera when called over.
          Why then was she set on fire and killed if she was back in business?

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          • vin1vid1vic1 says:

            Depends who she was working for. Highly competitive business..the competition gets knocked off all the time. ‘Territorial” creatures. By Lisa’s FB admission previously, Jessica had made a habit of lying to her and hiding things from her. Possibly Jessica wasn’t 100% truthful of where she was headed that night. And on the other hand, she was hijacked by the persons she ran into. Apparently there was something floating around out there that someone thought they were owed money from Jessica. That alone is motive. Some will kill for $20 bucks. The extra gas thing is being over rated IMO as far as how far she had planned to drive. Without knowing Lisa’s frame of mind,she could have lost track of the actual time Jessica left the house. Giving the benefit of the doubt since she’s changed that a few times. It might not be as simple as one offense perceived by whoever is responsible for taking this over the top. What makes this so difficult is that there were several motives coming from different directions, yet possibly linked in a strange way.

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            • derksut says:

              That makes sense as well, and I agree, several motives are in play. Which one lit the match is the question. Thanks for the reply V1V1V1.

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              • vin1vid1vic1 says:

                Don’t thank me, derk, we’re all brainstorming to hear the magic bell go “Ding”. If LE gets one bit of enlightenment from reading the things written here, there just might be a grain of truth to make that bell ring..

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                • derksut says:

                  Could be why she was reluctant to talk to whomever off camera at M&M, could be rival gang, asking “What’s up?”. Maybe followed her and…went too far.

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                • flyonthewall1 says:

                  Maybe it is as simple as someone knew she had drugs or money with her. They robbed her and killed her for what she had.

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                • vin1vid1vic1 says:

                  derk,”could be rival gang, “- Think it was established that it was one of the Rudd family who called her over. Strong possibility she was followed at some point. You do bring up an interesting point though. Jessica’s former boyfriend Brian Rudd (oh no, not in a gang!!) named a few guys she had become involved with after they broke up. It is possible that another gang was pimping her out (not necessarily sexually) to conduct business which was a big “no no”. And let’s not forget her own family members who were in the meth business previously. Whatever, whoever, it’s just a gross degradation of a human life and a horrendous way to inflict death on a young girl. That’s the point we shouldn’t loose focus of.

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                • derksut says:

                  Could be, but the lighting her on fire? Seems more of a signal being sent. Just speculating here, but torching someone is more heinous than simple robbery. Fits the “they went too far” from DT, a warning was to be sent, but this was overboard.
                  Would love to see the other camera angles at the M&M, see if they showed who she talked to.

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                • derksut says:

                  That’s right, it was Sandy Rudd, I forgot that info. Sundance posted info down the stream here re: S Phiilips along with S Rudd being associated with the property on Herron Rd.
                  And yes, the burning alive of Jessica is why we are all here, and that is why justice must be had, however and by whomever.

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                • flyonthewall1 says:

                  Read the story of Tammy McVey Wright. She was killed and burned in Alcorn County in 2011. Her murderers have never been caught. From what I read, it is believed she was killed for pills.
                  I’m not saying robbery was the motive for Jessica’s murder. I’m just saying the motive might be less complex that we think.

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        • 2+2 says:

          It doesn’t add up. If she left home at 5 and went straight to M&M, why did it take 1/2 hour? She wasn’t there long, but she didn’t get to the house in Courtland until 6. But she made it from there to Batesville in 10 minutes? Then back to Courtland in 15? Why did it take an hour to get to places close to each other, but only 1/2 hour round trip from Courtland to Batesville? It doesn’t add up.

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        • Lottacats says:

          “Some want to believe that Leah’s House was a miracle working event and a new Jessica came forth after her time there. While I agree that she benefited, anyone in the know understands that addictions don’t always dissolve magically and instantly. It’s mostly a process and it was still fresh for Jessica. And peer influence sways even the strong to stumble”
          Vin1, I couldn’t agree more. She met hopeful people, got a job, back at home. Trying.
          All this Jessica finds religion from Leah’s house, IMO is like Darby coming out with a Bible to a press conference spouting we’re a Christian county.
          The reality is that it has nothing to do with this young girl being assaulted and burned alive.
          There are scumbags out there that need to pay for this horrific crime and soon.

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          • wanthetruth says:

            In reply to what you quoted from previous post, it’s certainly true no one knows exactly where her mind was concerning anything. But, it has not been indicated anywhere that Jessica had any addictions. Not that she positively didn’t – that is not known either, but what evidence is out there says she didn’t. None of her pictures show an unhealthy or drugged out countenance.

            It has been said she used some but what great sources have we had for that. Addicted toq the gang

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            • wanthetruth says:

              Awk – posted before finished …..
              Thought was: addicted to gang lifestyle or perhaps stuck within it, that seems more likely than any true addiction recovery course for Jessica IMO.

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            • 2+2 says:

              She had to test drug-free before being accepted into Leah’s. So we know that at the time she went in until she left, she was drug-free. We don’t know if she was using anything before that. Red eyes and swollen nose in some pix could be from using, but could also be from crying; judging from her bruises in the pix with B. Rudd I think crying is the likely cause. I agree that except for the eyes and nose, she does not look like a user of harder drugs. I do believe she smoked pot, its use is accepted and as prevalent as alcohol in most places.

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      • Perfect Beast says:

        Then it would seem that the killer(s) have covered their tracks extremely well. They knew to either leave their phones behind or to disable them to cover any electronic footprint they might leave. Along with this, they have removed/destroyed all other evidence that may incriminate them and they have remained utterly silent. Whoever they are, they have the knowledge of how to commit crime and remain invisible. IOW, this isn’t their first time on the dance floor. Their cruelty level is off the charts (burning Jessica to death) and speaks volumes of the hearts and minds of the people who did this. They have an emotional disconnect, zero conscience and did not give so much as a second thought to the horrible pain they caused Jessica. They have an evil, demonic personality, incapable of being sympathetic towards the pain of others. Most people, myself included, could never bring themselves to kill someone in this way, regardless of any trespass against them. My God, I hope this person(s) are caught and dealt a punishment that fits this crime—if there is one.

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        • Lottacats says:

          Send them as live chum to shark infested water might work for me.

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          • Perfect Beast says:

            Sounds good. I kinda like the Brazen Bull myself. Whatever, the “No cruel or unusual punishment” needs to be waived in certain cases. This one is a definite.

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    • Kitty Smith says:

      Yes, but if the perps were smart enough to take the batteries out of their phones, LE is SOL, at least as far as evidence of being on-scene goes. Numbers that suddenly disappear off the cell phone “traffic” from about 5:30 pm and beyond would be a good thing to look at, and then when and where they were when they came back into the traffic.

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      • pspsst says:

        Possibilities instead of shutting off their phones:

        1 ) The perps’ phones were left at home as alibi. LE needs witnesses who have seen our named suspects loitering about town and M&M, between 5:00 to 9:00 pm. This includes Kedrick Turner, Rudds, Sscedrick, all possible ‘icks’ in town and Rosco sounding names.

        2 ) Jail house convicts on conjugal or whatever nonsense excuse also seen around town same time frame. These crims are NOT SUPPOSED to have phones, but apparently they get them somehow. If one of the perps low on the gang banger ladder did not have a phone, he may have wanted to use or steal Jessica’s phone as a trophy. The other perp grabbed it and pulled the battery out.

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        • pspsst says:

          Sorry I meant, suspects seen loitering away and far from where their phones pinged as alibi. For example, Brejuan is carrying gas at M&M @ 5:25 pm and his phone pings at his trailer as alibi. He’s just one dude.

          If Courtland witnesses don’t get their act together and call in en masse, they are severely unprotected by Darby and they better get with the program.

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  35. Justseekingjustice says:

    They should have gotten all information from the cell phone tower in the area. It will show every person who’s phone pinged even without being in use

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  36. 180daysofkindergarten says:

    OK! So……………let me see. Where was Jessica’s phone from 6:30 to 7:30?
    That is a frankly bizarre statement.

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  37. whippet1 says:

    A couple of things jump out at me. First from the linked article it says Jessica was beaten. I find that an odd choice of words since all that’s been referenced in the past was a head cut or injury. Beating signifies more than a gash on the head, or am I overthinking that? Also, they mention out of state persons have been questioned but they feel the perpetrator was local. That could mean Rudd. Has there been proof from law enforcement that Lisa actually talked to her daughter on the phone? If she did during the missing hour they would know, unless she didn’t call from her cell phone. If that’s the case how could LE verify Lisa’s story?

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    • pspsst says:

      If CW is the caller to Jessica before she left home to M&M, and she’s been cleared, then it also relieves DT and the Mistas. The residence Jessica visited could have been the Boones. We know they’ve interviewed the Boones and no arrests.

      This only leaves Rudds and Kedrick Turner from M&M but how would they have met up with Jessica at Herron’s? There was a travel gap between M&M’s, gas can guy and Sandy, to the Courtland residence and then to Batesville.

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    • 2+2 says:

      He mentioned autopsy report, so assume that shows evidence she was beaten, in addition to the head injury. Possibly this was an unplanned panic arson to cover up a beatdown that went wrong. They thought she was dead so set everything on fire.

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  38. jewelsc6 says:

    I am reading on twitter that Lisa was not even informed of the press conference, Don’t you find that odd?? I guess she posted that on FB. But I can not see it because she has secured her FB..Something is not right about it.

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    • sundance says:

      Lisa Daugherty is as sketchy as Charlotte Wilkerson.

      IMHO, this is not a loving maternal relationship we are talking about. Nor, IMHO, was that 20 minutes on the phone a pleasant warm/fuzzy conversation between mom and daughter.

      If I were investigating this case I would not trust a single aspect of the information coming from Lisa Daugherty. Period. There’s a fundamental disconnect there.

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      • jewelsc6 says:

        So she might be lying about that also ??!!

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        • sundance says:

          I would be more likely to believe the sketchy investigators who say they don’t have contact data for her between 6:30pm and 7:30pm than to believe Lisa Chambers talked to her for 20 minutes at 6:48pm to 7:13pm.

          If the investigators say there’s a void of cell phone contact, then I would accept her phone was off, or disconnected between 6:30pm and 7:30pm and turned on at 7:31pm where the connection was reestablished.

          However, that said, it doesn’t mean Jessica turned it off.

          It’s possible whoever was doing the nefarious deeds might have turned it off at 6:30 specifically to avoid or stop Jessica from using it. Then after doing something nefarious they might have turned it on to see or scrub any incriminating data which might link them to the event of the past hour. This could be the beginning of the process to destroy both Jessica and the evidence (risk) she carried.

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          • Lottacats says:

            I can’t see Jessica listening to mom bitching at her for 20 minutes while she’s on the road. My kid would use traffic, dropped call or any other excuse to get me off the phone and my daughter likes me! I don’t think Jessica and Lisa got along well enough to talk 20 on a cell when she’d so recently just left the house. JMO

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            • justfactsplz says:

              I’m thinking that call maybe didn’t happen. But if the mother lied about it she should know they could prove or disprove the call. I think the missing hour is a ploy by LE to flush someone out. Somebody will come forward and say they saw Jessica at such and such during that time frame filling in the blanks for LE.

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            • twoeyes1947 says:

              Or JC could have cut the phone off to keep from talking to mom. So, unlikely that there was a call from mom.

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          • Eskie Mom says:

            I would now. Everything we “know” about that evening came from Lisa; that Miss Chambers “slept all day”, that “she received a call or text, then left”, that “she went to clean her car & get something to eat”, that she felt threatened. Later, Lisa said that she was going to bring her cigarettes.

            Now, we have her saying that she talked to her daughter between 6:48 & 7:13, yet Champion says that is a void & they don’t know where she was.
            Is the reason LE doesn’t talk to her or tell her anything because they feel like it’s pointless (that she has her own agenda/ is making stuff up as she goes along/ doesn’t tell the truth anyway)?

            This could certainly put your witness back in play, SD. It is plenty of time for the alleged assault & relocation to have happened. It’s very odd that the phone was picked up again at 7:31 & then or later, discarded elsewhere along the road.

            Five to seven minutes could be dropping off/ picking up someone, a drug deal, or picking up a to go order (though they didn’t say that- why wouldn’t they?)

            The only way the perps wouldn’t have been pinged to the scene of her immolation would be if they either didn’t have phones (not likely) or took the batteries out (assuming there was more than 1 person).

            I think they know who did it…”but Wait, There’s more…”

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            • pspsst says:

              It’s aggravating isn’t it, the see-sawing and yo-yoing? Feels as if we’re being jerked around, hence we all going in different directions, mega confused. Add in unsuspecting molls to the mix who want us off the scent because we’re basically a trusting lot.

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              • Eskie Mom says:

                This is a real mess. Pretty much everybody is trying to cover their behind- changing their story, deleting FB posts & Tweets, news webpages going missing… for no “good” reason- it’s not like they, themselves, are guilty of anything. The only hope of finding anything anyone has posted (screen caps) is in the thousands of comments here on CTH.

                I don’t trust any of these people. They will feed you full of BS as fast as they’ll look at you. They’re liars- with no scruples whatsoever.

                It’s disheartening. There’s no excuse for this.

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          • DixieNurse says:

            Wonder if Lisa was on the phone for 20 minutes with someone using Jessica’s phone? I think we can all agree that there is something very wrong with Lisa’s assertion that they were “just talking”…? It seems to me that there would not be 20 minutes worth of conversation from Lisa that night–JLC had just left her house! I don’t know… 😦

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            • vin1vid1vic1 says:

              If the timeline now is correct, Jessica left the house around 5-5 something. The conversation with Jessica was at least a hour to hour and half later. That she was taking longer than Lisa thought justified her checking to see what was taking so long. Lisa may have been rambling, maybe she’s a talker. Not unusual that 20 minutes went by. It happens. This was just a normal night until it took a bad turn. For Lisa to be using Jessica’s phone would mean she was with her at the pinged location and both Lisa’ and Jessica’s phone records would show that info.
              On the other hand, something Ali said in an interview at the store was something to the effect that he had heard Jessica returned to her house after leaving the store. He made a quick mention of this in the rest of his remarks. Maybe no one picked up on that. Where’d that come from?

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          • 2+2 says:

            perhaps her trunk was bashed open before the fire, and not by LE?

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          • kathyca says:

            Don’t phones ping whether or not they’re off, so long as they have a battery?

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          • J.Friday says:

            Some thoughts:
            1. 20 minute phone conversation: What if the phone conversation with Jessica was to get “smokes” (smokes being used very loosely) from some of her “friends”.
            2. Jessica tried to explain she doesn’t have enough money.
            3. Jessica is told to get the money, however she can, and get her “smokes.”
            4. Jessica has to “find” the money to get “smokes” and then arrange for exchange.
            Last thought: The journal thing has bothered me. How many kids these days write a journal on paper? Don’t all kids use their phones for everything?
            Going back to reading.

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      • Donald Joy says:

        The fact that their relationship was strained or very strained in and of itself doesn’t make Lisa suspicious.

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      • Lottacats says:

        SD, I agree. Lisa seems like a very selfish dull personality to this mama. The very public FB post Lisa put out in April about locking her out is telling.
        IMHO, moms just don’t DO THAT! Text to cell maybe, but NOT public FB. Like throwing her into the night with wolves.
        Pissed me off when I read that! I’ve been ticked off at my daughter but no way I’d not be up waiting for her to come home.
        SD, does Lisa have a man, husband that lives with her? If so, wonder where he’s been during all this.

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        • 2+2 says:

          Lisa said very clearly in that post that JLC lied again and she was done with waiting up for JLC past curfew and mentioned JLC’s brother being there and not to expect him to get up to let her in, so I doubt there is any man in her life. We don’t know the family dynamic between those 3 or who is in control, but I doubt it’s Lisa. She apparently doesn’t have a car either, her sister had to pick her up the night JLC died.

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      • Donald Joy says:

        …although something definitely doesn’t seem right about the 20-minute call…

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        • 2+2 says:

          IMO it wasn’t one 20 minute call, but 2 or more of a few minutes each over that timeframe. IIRC Champion or Darby said JLC called Lisa. Lisa said she called JLC, and she didn’t answer, so she called back and got her. Ali said JLC got a call in the store. I’ve reviewed that vid of her in the store, and I don’t see her taking a call. IMO that call went to voicemail, and JLC called Lisa back. Then there was another call after that. We know Lisa’s sense of time is skewed, and her stories are mixed up. Without seeing the actual phone records as to who called who and when, the timeline is still in question.

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      • Kitty Smith says:

        That would mean that she was lying about the phone call as recently as a few days ago in her interview. If no such call took place, surely she would know by then that the cops have the records and know that the call never occurred.

        I agree she is sketchy – something just not right but I’d have to probe her to find out what the deal is. But to lie this recently about something as important as that call and its timing would indicate she’s either obstructing or is a stone cold whackjob…or a bit retarded.

        I think the call took place but the cops won’t confirm it because it ended so closely to the apparent time of abduction/assault. LE is better off just not addressing it and letting people assume what they wish. Apparently J had been gone a little over an hour when Lisa called, which seems like the right time frame if J was expected back in 45 minutes or so just to do the few things she said she had to do.

        But I certainly agree the conversation wasn’t all sweetness and light, and Lisa did not speak lovingly of or provide insight into her daughter – only about how it all effected her. At one point I detected a snicker/smile about Jessica’s conduct at an odd, inopportune moment that was actually out of place for the entire subject of her brutally murdered daughter.

        She talked about her appreciation for those praying, but I wonder if she’s one of these types that plays the God/prayer card to lend herself some credibility. But I think the call happened and LE won’t mention anything happening in that time frame because of its proximity to the abduction.

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    • firefly says:

      She does make that statement on Justice for Jessica. I guess some feel sorry for her.

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    • justfactsplz says:

      It’s not odd if Champion suspects she’s lying. Perhaps he is trying to keep her out of the loop until he knows more. I think he probably wishes she would be quiet and just go away.

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  39. distracted2 says:

    Wasn’t there speculation that she was at Boone’s house?

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  40. sundance says:

    Look at the people who are historically recorded as having a connection to that Herron Road address: (*Note 2352 Herron Road and 3448 Herron Road are the same place)

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  41. goodoldboy66 says:

    Let us accept LC and JLC are on the phone from 6:48 to ~7:13, and that it’s unusually quiet.

    Based on tower data LE has JLC’s location(s), mobile / stationary or some of both during this call. She’s in her car alone, stationary, waiting, talking to LC somewhere.
    She’s not in a motel/hotel room back up in Batesville during the call. She just left BV at 6:10 and was ‘seen’ back in Courtland at 6:30. To be back up in BV in a quiet motel room during the call (6:48-7:13) then shoot down to Herron by 7:31 doesn’t work at all. Possible but def. not probable.

    Starting with the first call/txt received in her house (<5pm), and as long as the phone was turned on we may reasonably infer LE also have it pinging up and down the towers the whole night, including the balance of the time between 6:30 and 7:30. Why would JLC turn it off at 7:13 and on at 7:31?

    DA is communicating to the perps and those ‘in the know’ (not LC, not us here) to demonstrate that:
    (1) that LE has a quantifiable timeline w/ locational data points (possibly including perps as well), and autopsy results have confirmed some hypotheses (possibly some perp DNA); AND (2) some items that LE ‘pretends not to know’ – like the 6:30-7:30 whereabouts of JLC.

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    • 2+2 says:

      agree. I’m still not buying the DST bs about the cameras. The timeline fits better with Lisa’s original statement that JLC left home around 6pm. If LE is basing the timeline on Ali’s statement about the DST reset rather than pings, I’m going with my timeline, because Ali is a flat out liar. I’m not excusing Lisa, but I think her lies are more from a state of confusion and forgetfulness than any deliberate attempt to hide anything. She understandably resents the public intrusion into her life but hopefully cooperated with LE telling them everything she knows when this began and her memories were fresh.

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      • firefly says:

        I know, that still throws me for a loop

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      • alkikila says:

        We know what time she arrived @the crime scene. As walthrppk keeps saying, and I paraphrase, “what was there (evidence) or who was there that made it a crime scene to begin with.” Surely, there must be containers with fingerprints, discarded gloves, clothes, etc. What she was doing or who was with her wouldn’t make a lot of difference without at least some physical evidence. This presser must be a stall tactic to satisfy the public and keep a larger investigation going.IMO Even though filling in one hour would be great before an arrest.

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    • Chewbarkah says:

      If you were the perpetrator(s) and heard the DA announce that he still had zero suspects, and needed new witnesses to even sketch out locations during JC’s last hour, would you be panicked or reassured?

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  42. alkikila says:

    I wonder where mama’s phone was pinging. If she was out of cigarettes, she had to be having a nicotine fit. Everybody is a suspect except Ali, which is strange in itself. He said he was getting death threats but only moved a few miles down I-55 and maintaining a high profile on Facebook.
    If “mama’s world” went to Charlotte’s house, why not drop off the cigs.

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    • 2+2 says:

      He was in NY earlier this month. Not sure what town he is in now.

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    • lorac says:

      I guess if it’s true that Jessica went back home, she could have tossed the cigarettes in the door. Lisa hasn’t said that she ever saw Jessica again, but it might be instructive for someone to ask if her cigarettes were delivered at least….

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    • wanthetruth says:

      Alkikila, that’s what I thought too. Then the thought crossed my mind that maybe LE is being tricky (or something) and mom’s house was the one Jessica DID stop at. That could count toward Lisa’s time change/confusion – 5 when Jessica first left or 6 after she dropped off cigs? Who knows what LE would ask her not to mention (if anything at all)?

      Not knowing the truth or even who the truth tellers are still makes mostly for speculation. Sigh……

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  43. TexasRanger says:

    Jessica Chambers Update Video….

    Hernando District Attorney John Champion during a press conference about the Jessica Chambers case Tuesday Feb-17-2015. (long version)

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  44. Ziiggii says:

    Welp, I go to a movie spend some time with the fam while everything is covered in ice and comeback to just do a little reading and this blows wide open. Huh, guess I can now throw out well over half my notes. I’ll work on a map tomorrow while in the office if no one has made one by then. I could end up on this all night if I do not exercise restraint.

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  45. Alan says:

    I think you all are missing a big point…why did the DA HAVE a press conference? I think he is trying to smoke someone (or someones) out of the closet by releasing tidbits of info. He could also be covering the Marshall’s stingray, and develop (or manufacture) some probable cause that doesn’t involve the feds. Computers can track everyone at the scene, and everyone at M & Ms as well, build a time map, and sort this out. The DA is not telling the truth that he doesn’t know where her cell phone was for an hour. That is bull hockey. They also know who was with her with their phone on. All this is smokescreens to cover the facts that they know.

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  47. lovemygirl says:

    I’m not sure why Lisa would lie about a phone call especially when the record of it would be obviously on the phones. Is there any possibility Jessica may have called her on a different phone? One thought I had was her phone was turned off, battery removed or died at 6:30 and the 7:31 time and location were determined by some other means other than her cell phone. Just some rambling as I try and catch up.

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