Jessica Lane Chambers Day #17 – Discussion and Research Thread

Many people are frustrated by the lack of information and what appears to be mulching the little bits we do know into agonizing over analysis.

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Buck up. What you don’t see on these pages is our pressured back channel efforts to pry loose critical information that we believe will ultimately bring Justice For Jessica. Those efforts are synergetic with, and dependent upon, those who will rise on her behalf remaining vocal in their desire to be unrelenting; to be wolverine.

Nothing worthwhile is ever easy. To find the Truth in the Zimmerman case we faced significant foes, but also saw support from those who believe in the judicial system.  That entire construct was based on massive, intentional and institutional lies.   Lies the media were intentionally selling and promoting.  Yet, truth prevailed.

To find the Truth in the Wilson/Brown case we faced significant foes, but also saw support from those who believe in the principles of the judiciary system.  Again the media was the biggest enemy – and yet again, truth prevailed. 

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However, in this case to find Truth for Jessica we are facing foes from those who killed her, those associated beneficiaries of her death, and those to whom the Justice System -and the principles within the justice system- may represent a risk to them.   But at least so far, the media is not our enemy.  That’s a good thing.

Ultimately who stands for Truth on behalf of Jessica Lane Chambers ?

Her family has a vested interest in one version; her community has a vested interest in another version; law enforcement has a vested interest in another aspect/version; and the DA has yet another set of interests which run antithetical for Truth telling.

So who will stand for Jessica’s story, the truthful story?

If not you, then who?

Dunno about you, but I’d rather be on the side of the team who actually put that beautiful memorial together for someone because it was the right thing to do; the honorable, loving and decent thing.  Those flowers, plants and memorial items do not just reflect Jessica – they reflect decency that we will not stand to see destroyed.  Period.

With that in mind:

PoloiLiop and Sundaybu have something of interest to discuss. LJP expands and also believes this “is a BIG question that is being overlooked”. So Let’s look.

First To Establish The Backdrop – After much of my own analysis, research and digging deep into Jessica’s psychology –her Victimology profile– I am now of the considerably strong opinion that Jessica’s intention on that fateful night was to drive to Leah’s House, for support and affirmation.

The statement(s) shared by her mother of her days activity, the distance involved, the direction of travel, the time of day, Jessica’s inherent social isolation, the disposition of the prior events and how they relate toward Jessica; and importantly the relationship Jessica held with her mother, all point toward this distinct possibility.

jessica chambers recentJessica also would not have told her mom Lisa, because essentially, from Jessicas’ mindset, to communicate such an intention would have been to convey a message toward Lisa that mom wasn’t good enough to fill her emotional need.

Imagine 19-year-old Jessica saying “mom, you’re not what I need right now“, and how from Jessica’s perspective, that statement would have carried various levels of guilt based on the situation, internal and projected.

Lisa, not for lack of desire – but for lack of ability, did not possess the inherent ability to provide what Jessica needed emotionally at that moment. Jessica needed the support only found in an environment lacking judgment, and those who are professionally trained to walk the precarious emotional tightrope as they listen, comfort and advise.

Despite her earnest efforts – Mom, Lisa, could not provide THAT type of support – – because within the core of her maternal sympathy Lisa held a natural disconnect created by years of considering Jessica the cause of her own negative outcomes. Jessica would have replayed all of those “I-Told-You-So’s” in her mind as she conversed with, or thought about conversing with, her mom.

….. So:

#1)

gas station 1

#2)

gas station 3

WHO is the woman in the Blue and White Jacket, who waited at the counter WITH the “Striped Shirt Guy” and walked out right after him? IF she was waiting to make a purchase AFTER him, HOW could she leave so quickly, right behind him? Looks to me like she is WITH him. Who IS she? And just as important, what time is displayed by the CCTV system in this pic? Is it 6:23:53, 6:29:59, or somewhere between, like 6:28:58? It’shard to tell, because the bottom of the numerals are cut off in this view:

#3)

Gas station 2

And another thing, about these two people: They were (apparently) together IN the store, but (apparently) decided to separate when they LEFT the store. WHY? Were they in a hurry to leave, as soon as he finished pumping his gas? Did the “Blue+White Jacket Woman” hurry out to start the car, so they could leave as quickly as possible? They certainly seem to be walking quickly. As if they have to be ready to go on a moment’s notice.

Thoughts ?

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568 Responses to Jessica Lane Chambers Day #17 – Discussion and Research Thread

  1. OHour! says:

    Crickets Crickets Crickets Buy a T Shirt?

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    • joshua says:

      more info on Leah’s house…sounds like a rational place for Jessica to go under stress….

      http://www.wcbi.com/wordpress/leahs-house-impacting-women-with-addictions

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      • joshua says:

        the trip is a 20 minute one way to Oakland and Leah’s house, est. cost of gas 1.50….3 bucks round trip…not a big trip requiring extra gas….

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      • John says:

        Nothing about being a shelter for battered women.

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        • harrypara says:

          Leah’s House was also a place for recovery. A must for a person in early recovery is to be around others who are also in recovery and Leah’s house would have been the place to go. It’s not like she lived in a large city with multiple places to seek fellowship. For a person that was trying to get their life together, Leah’s House may have been her support.

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          • LetJusticePrevail" says:

            Very good, harrypara.

            One of the most difficult things for recovering teen addicts and/or abuse victims to overcome is the tedium associated with a young life they can no longer return to: Their childhood.

            No matter how well intentioned they are, warm hugs, teddy bears, and bowls of Mom’s chicken noodle soup are no longer the panacea they once were. Neither are the heart-to-heart conversations with someone of an entirely different generation who not only can’t relate to you as a peer, but who also can’t understand the hurdles you face while you battle the demons raging within you. The only people who can do that, and the only ones a teen addict will honestly listen to are people of their own age group who are “sharing the moment” of that battle.

            It may very well be that Jessica intended to go to “Leah’s House” that night, but was either waylaid, or lured away from that plan. Or, it may be that she relapsed, even if only momentarily so, and made a fatal mistake by trusting the wrong person, or people, and paid for that mistake with her life.

            And, one other, more somber possibility might be that Jessica’s entire stay at “Leah’s House” was a sham -an act- put on to placate whatever authority or family pressure that placed her there in the first place. And, like so many other young people who have crossed that fine line between a child’s honesty and a delinquent’s deceit, never truly intended to leave her undesirable associations behind.

            Unfortunately, I am leaning towards this final alternative. Not because I have any direct evidence of it, but because it’s the simplest explanation that fits her behavior. She lied to her mother about where she was going, she went to what is (most likely) the closest open-air assembly area for “street pharmacists” and conversed with 2 or 3 users. She may have even “made a buy” in the parking lot before going in to pay for her gas, and before she drove away to the South, away from the car washes and restaurants of Batesville, and away from her Mother’s home.

            The question is, where was she going, and why was she going there? Was she going to “Leah’s House” for reassurance and comfort, or was she going somewhere to buy and/or use drugs, to meet a man and have sex, or to do all those things at once? Is THAT what the “party” which Auntie Sha-Sha referred to? A tryst for drugs or>/i> sex, or a tryst of drugs for sex? Had she been duped by someone who made her feel wanted, but was actually only using drugs to dull her thinking, and keep her just complacent enough to accept some of the physical abuse we’ve heard she suffered. and keep coming back for more?

            And IF, just IF Jessica decided that she could turn her back on the man, and now wanted to pay for her drugs,simply because she now had a job and had the ability to pay for them, and had also realized that she had been physically abused by the so-called BF, how would he react?

            What does Occam’s Razor tell you?

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            • Lottacats says:

              LJP, I don’t think she was headed to Leahs . If she were going to go there I think she’d have said so. A Mom would get that and be glad of it. I think she was going to use again and was still susceptible to the same crowd. In over her head. She’d been smacked around by boyfriends before, everybody knew it and abused women seem to gravitate to the same types. In that environment, using etc., young, hard to break the cycle. It was all around her. Actually, I’d heard from the beginning she used heroine. Rumor maybe, but watched a documentary recently that it was becoming more available than cocaine. Documentary feature was on Memphis btw. Close enough to be true here too. Meth is another problem altogether, seems to be everywhere. Breaking the cycle is hard, she was young and her hood friends too close. To get out from under, you must WANT to, and HAVE to get AWAY from PEOPLE, PLACES and THINGS. Too young to go out of the area even had she wanted to without SUPPORT elsewhere. Tragic in many ways.

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              • lou says:

                folks, the ONLY person who knows what Jessica told her mother is her mother…..could mom not be telling the whole truth?…..maybe coloring the truth a bit?…or maybe she just did not want the town to know she was heading back to a rehab facility….
                the phone records can tell us if and when Jessica called or was called, but it can’t tell us what was said……..maybe if there was text…

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            • smalltownlocal says:

              “Jessica also would not have told her mom Lisa, because essentially, from Jessicas’ mindset, to communicate such an intention would have been to convey a message toward Lisa that mom wasn’t good enough to fill her emotional need.”

              LJP…the above is a very possible. I offer the following not as argumentative but just to add information that I believe is relevant(only IF Jessica was at Leah’s House for substance abuse).

              My brother had struggled with drug addiction for the last 25 years. He lost that battle last year due to an overdose at age 50.

              ALL addicts have caused the people that love them a good bit of pain. One thing I saw time and time again after many rehabs was the fact that he would be eager to tell if he was going to a meeting or going to see his sponsor. It’s like…hey..Ive got good news for once. From all the pain he had caused, I think telling that he was going to a meeting or visit sponsor was his way of providing some “happiness”.

              Also that’s a male addicts actions with the data set being one. Just wanted to relay what I have personally witnessed over 2.5 decades.

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              • Tom Fletcher says:

                A sad turn of events if true, but Lottacats is right that heroin in the mid south is cheaper than ever – really strong Mexican black tar. We lost a guy to OD last year at my work, and he had been struggling with recovery and doing well from all outward appearances. Methamphetamine has, of course, been discussed, and cocaine is always on the menu from these gangs.

                A tox screen report may give us some answers about some of that. If she was having a relapse of some sort it’s just another layer of tragedy to this poor girl’s life.

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            • harrypara says:

              The possibility that she relapsed is there for sure, I would lean against the idea that the time she spent in Leah’s house was a front or a scam though. My reasoning for that would be from the recent pictures we saw of a happy smiling Jessica sitting close to the other happy smiling senior lady. Someone mentioned it as being taken at Leah’s house. Be nice to know if that’s the case.

              She had put on some weight, she looked healthy and happy. Compare that to some other pics that appeared to show her thin and with that unfocused look that comes from someone actively abusing. She also talked to Linda Oliver about helping her write her own story. Someone on here even stated that Linda Oliver said at the memorial that Jessica’s last words to her were “Remember Me”. To me those actions don’t portray a person that was faking it, or putting on a sham and just wanting to get it over with so she could get back to her old way of life.

              Another thing that I keep thinking about is the alleged choking incident by Mister just a week or so before. Maybe Jessica was indeed making contact with misters wife and trying to help her and Mister wasn’t having none of that. Maybe it was a warning for her to quit contacting her about changing her life and getting into recovery herself. Then when Mister found out that Jessica and his wife were still chatting, he decided to finish it. Or maybe the choking incident was Mr saying I want you back in my fold or else, and Jessica having found a happiness that she had never known before at Leah’s house said no.

              One important thing for me is the post made by Misters wife the night of the murder. I find this important because she said it before all the heat of the conservative tree came down on them and I don’t think she expected anyone to be looking at her facebook page other than normal. She said she wished she could have been there that night as Jessica was alone and had been lured out there and murdered. She also said they caught the guy. I believe she was referring to a Derrick they had in custody at the time that they held for a couple days.

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              • harrypara says:

                Let Justice Prevail. One last thing that leads me away from Jessica faking is the letter she wrote her niece while she was in Leah’s house. It just seemed sincere to me and she told her niece she missed the good times they used to share and that things were going to be different.

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              • ShepherdDawg says:

                Very well said.

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            • ShepherdDawg says:

              Let_Justice_Prevail, why are you casting aspersions on Jessica’s character?

              I think she was an extremely brave and courageous girl trying to turn her life around.

              I do not think there is any evidence that she was trading sex for drugs, or buying drugs, or anything like that.

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        • lorac says:

          Yes, they wouldn’t advertise the street address like that, if it were. When, in my professional capacity, I’ve sent women to this type of shelter,we sent them in a taxi to a pre-arranged spot (7-11, etc), and the shelter would pick them up there.

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          • justfactsplz says:

            That’s the way shelters here handle it too. It is very secretive for everyone’s protection.

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          • ShepherdDawg says:

            Maybe the shelter (Leah’s house) has security guards or off duty cops working there.

            So maybe they are less concerned with people finding out where they are, than a normal shelter would be.

            It could be that they feel reaching out to battered women and letting them know where to go is their priority.

            Just a thought.

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  2. Jan says:

    Maybe she was going to Leah’s house for support. But I do think it’s the same striped shirt guy. 3 white stripes on the back…. As for the lady being by him and leaving, it’s a small town, they all know one another.

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    • firefly says:

      If she was going to Leahs House, there had to be some sort of confirmation from Jess. We do know Sha Sha was questioned because her # appeared in Jessicas phone.

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      • taqiyyologist says:

        I have a magnifier, the ability to zoom in on an image.

        I just hold CTRL and roll the mouse-wheel up. Way cool.

        Jan, whatever you’re smoking, you’re definitely having a Merry Christmas!

        😀

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    • lovemygirl says:

      hot pixels on a low res camera would explain the percieved width difference. the white would light more than it should. I too think it is the same guy. The police probably have a confirmation from him as well.

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      • LetJusticePrevail" says:

        As it turns out, you are correct.

        The man seen IN the store IS the same as the man seen OUTSIDE the store. At the bottom of this page VegasGuy lays out a pretty good analysis of the CCTV videos, (which I duplicated and arrived at the same conclusions, with one additional observation) and uses a timeline to establish that these shirts that appear to be totally different are actually one in the same.

        YOUR explanation of WHY the shirt looks so different in the different camera views makes more sense as any other explanation I can think of. Kind of amazing, really, that different cameras can “see” things so differently.

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  3. waltherppk says:

    Could the “two” striped shirt guys actually be the same but just a higher camera angle and muddy image for the less clear photo? Looking at the number of stripes and where the across shoulder stripe instersects the armpit area it looks like the same person to me. The big butt matches too.

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    • Someone pointed out the two shirts aren’t the same. Two different people.

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      • EDMUND says:

        It is the same guy , same shirt , look at the collar on it . and that female shown outside with him in the picture IS his girlfriend . the one that posted about “setting white bitches on fire and raping white children .i’ve copied both camera shots as well as others . and ran them through a photo editor and THEY ARE THE SAME GUY and female accomplice ..

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    • KeithS says:

      I dont believe its the same guy. the dark stripes are wider on one shirt while the light stripes are wider on the other. also one of the people looks to be considerably heavier than the other. I’m not gonna swear the heavier person isnt female. something about the shape of their hips from the rear looks feminine to me. whats interesting to me is the one in the store doesnt look like Brejuan and the heavy one definitely isnt Brejuan. he/she would make 2 of him. IDK, this case just gets weirder and more convoluted by the minute.

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  4. olderglory says:

    Can someone post a link to the videos discussed?

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      This is the video I captured all those pics from. There are other videos from the CCTV that are (probably) on the youtube channel of Treeper “Froggieleggs” that show more:

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  5. Terry in GA says:

    That lady came FROM behind Jessica’s gas pump and around the front of her car when going inside the store.

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  6. frangelica1 says:

    The striped shirts are definitely not the same and have to be two different guys!

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  7. joshua says:

    frankly, at this point, I have no clue where or what is clear fact vs “noise” and speculation only.
    Just so much information and possible directions. I like the idea of Jessica going to Leah’s House for counsel. But her cell phone record would have a call to the place to make sure someone would expect her and be available, I think. Without the records, this is also merely a possible idea where she was going, and speculation as to why she was going there…her message to Mom that she would be home soon is sorta against the idea that she planned lengthy talk sessions at Leahs House.

    so many people, places, and dangers..
    Suspects and actors:

    Chambers’ father, Ben Chambers
    Ali Alsanai, aka Basem Alsanai, aka Ali Fadhel
    Fire Chief Cole Haley
    Derrick Taylor
    Sheriff Dennis Darby and DA John Champion
    Eric Bibbs
    Charlotte Wilkerson, aka Auntie “Sha-Sha”
    Bryan Deaundra Rudd
    George “Boone” Mister
    Denise “Rachel” Tutor aka “Rachel Mister.”
    Teanna Lovinbrejuan Byers
    Brejuan “Dreadhead” Byers
    Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords
    Mr. Alexander “Aye” Sanford
    Teanna “Teapooh” Rudd
    Sandy Rudd and Kesha Ivy
    Tavian “Tavo” “Tae Migo” “Ke’Eric” Bibbs
    Kendrick Sanders

    Locations:
    Mother’s house
    Father’s house
    Police station
    Behind M & M gas station
    Courtland post office
    Batesville car wash
    2352 Herron Road, Courtland, Mississippi
    Leahs House
    Derez McGhee’s BD party at Sandman Kerry Terell McGhee’s house
    Church parking lot

    Weapons:
    Gasoline can
    Toilet tank lid
    Cell phone battery
    Molotov cocktail or lighter fluid
    Extreme criticism, hate filled language, exclusion from gang
    Fist to face
    rape
    Auto accident

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    • sunny1 says:

      Nice list. Could someone compile a similar list showing gang affiliation?

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      • Tom Fletcher says:

        The Mister group (Mista) are Vice Lords. The Panola specifically refers to Boone as a Vice Lord leader. Rachel Tutor was married and has kids with a Mister, probably Pat.

        The Rudd seem to be GD affiliated, as does Brejuan Byers. I have seen GD pics on an old account of Terrick Bibbs as well as a GD associated name on Tavian’s Facebook account – the Miso in Tue Miso Bibbs refers to a GD affiliated rapper.

        Aye Sanford seems real shady to me, and his style of dress and love of red indicates Vice Lord.

        I’m convinced Ali is playing both sides, and he has the money to do it – plus undefined connections to Yemen and a lot of guns.

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    • Indiemex says:

      Good job Joshua! Thank you.

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    • harrypara says:

      Was Jessica in a 12 step program? Normally 12 step meetings start at a certain time and last for about an hour. Did Leah’s house have a 12 step meeting that night? If not was she going to see a sponsor? A sponsor is someone that helps a new person get on the right track. They share their experience, strength and hope toward a new life. If Jessica truly was trying to get her life together like her father said she would have been warned to stay away from the drug or alcohol abusers of her previous life. In addition to the fellowship mentioned above, Jessica may also been able to get something to eat there. Considering people said she was showing progress toward turning her life around coupled with the fact she had a new job at Goodies, and had acquired or been given a car this scenario would be a definite possibility.

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      • LetJusticePrevail" says:

        I agree with Sundance that Jessica’s Mom (Lisa) would be ill-equipped to provide the sort of assistance that Jessica would need.

        But, in many scenarios of this type, the family also gets some type of counselling so that they can come to grips with their own fallibility, and be able to better understand how a person in Jessica’s situation might have a need to attend those type of meetings in a “moment of personal crisis.”

        Or, if as you say, this might have been a “regular” meeting, what reason would Jessica have to lie about it? None, that I can see. If anything, I see it far more likely Jessica would lie and say she was going to a meeting, or going to “Leah’s House” when she had other plans, rather than lie and say she wasn’t going to a meeting.

        No, IMO, we’re going in a wrong direction here. I don’t believe Jessica was going to “Leah’s House” or to any type of “12 Step Meeting” at all. I believe she was either going out to buy some weed or meth, or that she was going to meet someone who her Mother would definitely not approve of. Quite likely, someone who was her abuser or one of his “associates”,or (perhaps) another drug user.

        Now, it’s possible that Jessica did initially intend to get some gas and wash her car,just like she told Mom, and that her plan changed after she talked to the trio at the M&M, or even after she left the M&M and (possibly) called someone else, or was called by someone else. But the direction of her travel (South) makes me believe she lied to her Mother from the get-go. JMO.

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        • Leah’s house is not a rehab facility or a DV shelter. It looks to be more of a sober living or half way house for women who are tryin to turn their lives around from addiction problems. It appears to be a place for women fresh out of jail to stay to transition back into society, mostly women with drug/alcohol offenses.
          The info article from above doesn’t mention anything about AA per se, but does speak about a “program” based on God.
          It is unclear whether Leah’s house program is based on the AA 12 step program, most are but can not link themselves to AA or mention it because AA can not be afflicted with any outside enterprises and is anonymous in press, radio and film.
          When people in recovery talk about ‘program’ they are talking about the 12 step program of AA/NA et al.
          In many of these type of houses the women are in a 12 step program and go to meetings held there or elsewhere outside. They are often required as a part of parole/probation or a drug court program.
          I checked the AA schedules for this area and there are 2 meetings a wk in Batesville. One is at 8:00 on Friday nights. None listed in Oakland or Courtland. Didn’t check for NA or CA.
          It is possible to have non AA registered meetings that wouldn’t be listed in the Central listings.
          Could it be possible that this is where Jessica was going or was coming home from? I am not clear on the directions and times but this is something you would think the police would know about if it was a possibility-or she could have relapsed if she was indeed sober.
          I don’t think she would lie to her mother unless she didn’t want her mother to tell anyone where she might have gone.

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      • lorac says:

        Harry, it was not a traditional rehab – more of a religious camp, residents generally staying for a year. The goal was that if the resident got right with God, that other problems would resolve themselves. It was staffed only by volunteers, some of whom had recently graduated from the year-long program themselves – there were no professionals in drug addiction or self-esteem or depression on staff. The residents seemed to find a sense of center and solace while there, but as the psychological aspects were not addressed, IMO they may have had a high relapse rate after discharge. I’m really curious why Jessica only stayed a few months, not the suggested year program.

        My sense of Jessica is that she made poor boyfriend choices, and probably dabbled in some drugs. But I don’t get the sense that she was heavy into it all. I think she was on the periphery of some dangerous worlds.

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    • harrypara says:

      Rosco and a different derrick, was mentioned by shs sha. Also a jerrick was mentioned.

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  8. joshua says:

    stuff is disappearing from posts? why?

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  9. Alaskagurl says:

    Who is/was Eddie Harris?

    November 4th – Sandy to Boone, “Wats yo number Eddie Harris want u”

    November 30th – (time?) Teapooh/Teanna to Sandy, “Somebody need to rape all his kids in front of him then sit the house on fire an watch them burn…I bet he was a white man SAD”

    November 30th (12:52 pm) – Sandy posts “RIP Ed Harris”

    December 5th – Teanna shares a video (from Derrick Jaxn) and comments, “Somebody needs to rape all they kids in front of them then set them on fire there learn then white bitches need to be dead”

    December 6th (4:17 pm) – Teanna posts “RIP Ed You will be missed & we will missed that smile you always keep on your face can’t believe you gone but god don’t make no mistakes.”

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      “Ed/Eddie Harris” is possibly a code word for something or someone. On a previous thread, someone mentioned a movie about a murder with a character named Ed or Eddie Harris.

      Of course, Teanna/Teapooh could actually have known someone named Ed Harris who recently died. If that’s the case, he would have to have died sometime in November 2014, because according to the FB posts, on November 4th Eddie Harris is looking for Boone’s phone number, and on Nov. 30th he is “RIP.”

      Might there be a record of death or obituary for him somewhere online, if he is a real person and not a code word?

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      • Alaskagurl says:

        Could it be a code/message to Ben Chambers? I tried look up an obit for the name and found nothing.

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      • Diane says:

        Someone posted in an earlier thread that there WAS an obit for a Harris – will try to locate that post

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        • Diane says:

          Found it! – Refer to these posts:

          jakeandcrew says:
          December 23, 2014 at 11:45 am

          jakeandcrew posted a screenshot of Sandy Rudd’s posts from 11-30-14:
          R.I.P Ed Harris” and another that same day “My prayers go out to da houston and HArris family.”

          Under that post is one by:
          Tom Fletcher says:
          December 23, 2014 at 5:38 pm

          There’s an obit for an Edward Houston in the Dec. 5 Panolian. She mentions “Houston” family up there.

          …so someone with a Panolian account may be able to find the obit – but it’s strange to say RIP to Eddie Harris if his name was Houston – but we do see so many aliases in this case.

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          • Tom Fletcher says:

            Something that just occurred to me looking at these stills: does the man (or men) in the striped shirt have dreadlocks? In set #1, it looks possible, but in #2 it looks like a person with short hair.

            Releasing a better version of this footage is necessary.

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            • Tom Fletcher says:

              Sorry, that reply should have been a standalone post. There is an Edward Houston obit, but I have found no indication that he is the same person as Eddie Harris. Info on the Houston death is scarce, and I can find no obits for a Panola County area Eddie Harris. I am stumped.

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          • lorac says:

            There is an actor named Ed Harris, and I thought someone posted earlier that it might be code based on what Ed Harris’ character did in the movie….?

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      • joshua says:

        eddie harris mug shot..
        http://mississippi.arrests.org/Arrests/Eddie_Harris_13778634/

        Arrest Age:41
        Current Age: 42
        Gender: Male
        City: Belzoni, Mississippi 39038
        Height: 5’08”
        Weight: 174 lbs
        Hair Color: BLACK
        Eye Color: BROWN

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        • joshua says:

          Eddie Harris ,  42
          Address: 101 China St, Belzoni, MS

          Places Lived – 809 Fisk St, Belzoni , MS
          – 809 Earnest White St, Belzoni , MS
          – 101 China St, Belzoni , MS

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        • ShepherdDawg says:

          I wonder if this is the same Eddie Harris that Teapooh/Teanna Rudd was talking about on FB.

          If so, he is dead at the age of 42? Drug overdose maybe? Do we know what he was arrested for?

          According to google, Belzoni is in Humphreys county. Not real close to Courtland, but not terribly far away either.

          It’s conceivable that this is the same Eddie Harris Teapooh was talking about.

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          • ShepherdDawg says:

            According to the mississippi.arrests.org page, he was arrested for DUI.

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            • Lottacats says:

              Eddie Harris, maybe he’s better off resting in peace? One less perp off the streets?
              BTW, there is a Houston, MS. (not sure it’s toward Belzoni or Tupelo area).
              Maybe Houston “family” is thug area?

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              • ShepherdDawg says:

                Interesting. So maybe the “Eddie houston” reference actually means an Eddie Harris from Houston, MS.

                But the Edie Harris who is listed in the arrest profile above is still alive, right?

                I still think it’s code for something.

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  10. ouroborosredux says:

    I’m less frustrated at the lack of new details from the police and more frustrated by the seeming disinterest in this case from the mainstream media… Is burning a person alive just so common that a yawn is the best they can do? I mean, a 18 yr old draws a 9mm on a cop in Missouri , and gets shot for it.. and it’s front page news .. Nancy Grace is still churning the Michael Brown story.. The network news run a few seconds of token reporting on this story then it disappears like it never existed… It’s kind of like one of those ‘If a tree falls in the forest..’ questions.. If a murder is committed on a person that doesn’t fit the proper social justice narrative, is it still news? Is it even still a murder?

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    • Alaskagurl says:

      MSM likes the stories that will get a certain group all fired up, its the movement they love reporting on. Poor white trash and everyday gang killings they don’t care so much about.

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      The people who control the mainstream media simply don’t care about white crime victims.

      Reporting on it simply doesn’t fit their goal of making whites feel guilty for perceived “racism” or “injustice” to minorities.

      To the people who control the MSM, Jessica is collateral damage on the road to complete cultural Marxism.

      In fact, they probably think that she deserved it due to “white racism” or whatever.

      They think that non-whites attacking whites is revenge that white people deserve. The controllers of the mainstream media are truly twisted and evil.

      As long as the enemy continues to control the news media, it will be very difficult to win our country back, since the public is largely unaware of what is going on due to media blackouts and biased reporting.

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      • Alaskagurl says:

        They’re playing a dangerous game!

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        • JustMe says:

          We need a Alice Sharpton! Perhaps if 100s of white people showed up and marched through that town they might take notice. But they will not burn down local business and cars and loot and etc…..so maybe not.

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      IF THEY EVER DO FIND THE PERSON WHO DID THIS THE LAME STREAM MEDIA WILL NOT REPORT IT !

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    • Lottacats says:

      Nancy DisGrace still on MB? OMG, she was tearful over thug Trayvon case. I stopped watching her after that. She’s a deer in the headlights anymore. Lost.
      Her twins, she could leave them out of her show too….but she won’t.

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  11. Eskie Mom says:

    The striped shirts are not the same. In fact the first appears, to me, to have 3 different colored stripes, while the second only has 2 (white & ?).
    Who is the woman in the 5th frame? She clearly has a bust & appears to have longer hair. Can she be matched, somewhat, to any of the Facebook women?

    I think Miss Chambers was very likely going to Leah’s House. It would sure fit with her buying more gas than usual (which I, actually, don’t find odd at all. She had a new job- & money, for the first time in a while. Maybe ever, money of her own. Why not indulge in a little luxury? She’d use it eventually, anyway, & would avoid additional stops at M&M in the process.)
    I don’t find any of her behavior unusual for a 19 yr old girl, at loose ends & in a transition like that. She probably just wanted to get out of the house for a few minutes. I remember being her age.

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      QUOTE:] “I think Miss Chambers was very likely going to Leah’s House. It would sure fit with her buying more gas than usual (which I, actually, don’t find odd at all. She had a new job- & money, for the first time in a while. Maybe ever, money of her own. Why not indulge in a little luxury? She’d use it eventually, anyway, & would avoid additional stops at M&M in the process.) [/QUOTE]

      Very good point, Eskie Mom.

      I think it’s very likely that she wanted to fill up on gas so she didn’t have to return to M&M for a while.

      She probably would have wanted to avoid that place, since it is a gang hangout. That explains why she looks so unenthusiastic when the people at the gas station call her over to talk.

      But M&M was the only gas station in Courtland, right?

      So she was probably hoping to make one trip, and have that last for a while, so she could avoid M&M and the crowd that hangs out there.

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  12. Christmas says:

    What is that that the man is carrying in the very last picture under “#3”??? Is that a gas can? If so, why would he have carried it into the store? I haven’t seen this video.

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  13. TallWhiteGuy says:

    Just the facts:
    Jessica Lane left her mom’s house early evening after being in bed all day
    She went to the gas station and spent $20
    She called mom or mom called her and told her she was getting something to eat

    Why did they talk again if they had just talked at home? Why wasn’t mom fixing dinner? Why did Jessica Lane leave at dinner time? Did her mom know she was heading to Leah’s House and failed to mention that fact to media?

    Courtland – by looks of things has major problems with black gangs and possible Islamic influence – never good – with Memphis nearby it makes sense.

    So was Jessica Lane’s murder more of a happenstance incident? Was she truly just in the wrong place at the wrong time?

    Was she targeted for being white –> Ferguson effect?

    An old/new boyfriend is always suspect so should not be ruled out.

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    • LGSpiriformes says:

      I can’t imagine someone setting someone else on fire, and it being “random”.

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      • Alaskagurl says:

        Jessica, had no idea they would do this or she wouldn’t of traveled alone. She didn’t fear them thats for sure! She was very brave traveling alone even after being choked a week before her death. Very brave girl, even gave the name of the killer she wanted JUSTICE for what they did to her!

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        • ShepherdDawg says:

          Definitely. I really admire Jessica’s strength, courage and faith in Christ.

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        • lorac says:

          Yes, it is really important they find out who strangled her. I don’t know if it was a previous or current boyfriend, but the number one predictor in relationships of murder is an earlier strangling incident. The FBI ran all the scenarios, and that strangling emerged as a very solid predictor for later murder.

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          • ShepherdDawg says:

            Would that indicate that the guy who choked her the week before (Boone or one of the other Mistah’s?) might be the murderer?

            Do we know who is thought to have choked her at the M & M?

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      definatly either a crime of passion or a hate crime

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  14. ShepherdDawg says:

    This is just my gut feeling, but I think the following scenario might have been what happened:

    I think the actual killing was carried out by Bejuan Dreadhead Byers (gas can guy?) and his companions who were with him at the M & M while Jessica was getting gas. I think Sandy Rudd and Keisha were involved. Probably also Auntie Sha Sha (Charlotte Wilkerson), if only with the role of luring Jessica to wherever the attack occurred, on the pretense of a party.

    I think that the attack that resulted in Jessica’s murder was ordered by the local gang kingpin, the Mister guy (I forget whether George, Pat, or Boone is the kingpin).

    I think that the order to kidnap and hurt (and possibly kill) Jessica came from the Mister man who is standing next to Denise Tutor (white girl in red hoodie) in their interview. That guy is the local gang boss, right?

    Charlotte Wilkerson commented that “something went wrong” and there have been mutterings about “things going too far.” And Charlotte Wilkerson seemed to slip up and say “they left the party” before correcting herself and saying “she [Jessica] left the party”

    I think it’s possible that the original intent of those involved in the killing was to lure Jessica somewhere to rape/torture/beat her as a warning and punishment for trying to escape from the gang, and also to terrorize other women involved with the gang from trying to leave.

    I think that the gang may be coercing local white girls into prostitution (i.e. “chicken”), probably with Ali’s connivance.

    I think that Ali has some kind of alliance or business understanding with the gang(s), and allows the gangs to use his store as a sort of hang out spot or base.

    I think that the local law enforcement is turning a blind eye to the forced prostitution, due to corruption/bribes, intimidation from the gangs, fear of being called racist, or some combination thereof.

    Perhaps Jessica was trying to escape from that life, and the gang was determined to send out a terrible warning to anyone else thinking of trying to escape.

    There might have been some sort of gathering, and when Jessica was lured there, she was overpowered and kidnapped by gang members, who intended to rape and beat/torture her at another location. That could be the “they left the party” that Charlotte Wilkerson accidentally let slip.

    Perhaps Brejuan and his accomplices (Sha Sha, Keisha, Sandy Rudd, etc) were only tasked with acquiring the gas/accelerant, and with following Jessica and making sure she went to the “party” so she could be kidnapped there.

    Once Jessica was overpowered, the actual kidnappers/attackers (who might or might not include Brejaun and the group who were talking to Jessica at M&M) brought her somewhere else to actually harm her, as punishment/warning for trying to escape from the gang.

    It’s possible that the original intention was to brutalize but not kill her, but for some reason, as Auntie Sha Sha put it, “something went wrong” and “they went too far.”

    Maybe the gang members who kidnapped her raped and tortured her, but worked themselves into a frenzy (due to rage over Michael Brown, Garner, Trayvon, etc), and either killed her, or decided to burn her alive in their rage.

    Remember Teapooh’s comment about wanting the kids of cops to be raped and burned.

    The gang would not have distinguished between an actual sworn LEO and a civilian LE employee.

    Supposedly, in Panola County at the time of the murder, there was a hoax report of a black child or baby being burned alive by white cops.

    Rage over this (fake) report could have “inspired” the kidnappers to burn Jessica alive, on the spur of the moment.

    Alternatively, maybe while being raped and tortured, Jessica tried to fight back, or escape, or tried to call 911 on her donated shelter cell phone, and the kidnappers decided to punish her for her resistance by burning her alive.

    I may be totally off, but based on the information currently available , I think the above scenario might have been what happened.

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    • Alaskagurl says:

      I think two guys wore a stripped shirt to throw off the real attacker. They guy that everyone is focused on is probably the decoy!

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      • perfect beast says:

        Alaska gurl, I thought the same thing, that maybe they sent 2 striped shirt guys in to throw off suspicion. So are they smart enough to devise a plan that uses a decoy to cause confusion? Or are they stupid enough to buy gas at a convenience store, on camera, a mile from the murder site, one hour before the murder?

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        • ShepherdDawg says:

          I wonder the same thing (about whether one of the striped shirt guys was a decoy or red herring, meant to confuse and mislead investigators.

          It’s conceivable that the killers knew that Ali’s cameras have very low quality video, since he is friends with the gang.

          So they could have arranged the two striped shirt guys being there, with the intent to confuse the police.

          But if they had that much foresight (to plant a decoy), then why wouldn’t they just have got the gas from somewhere else, or a few days earlier.

          I don’t know.

          Unless burning her was a spur of the moment idea, that only occurred to them immediately before the murder.

          But if the decision to buy gas was a spur of the moment thing, they certainly arranged the striped shirt decoy very fast.

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          • Darby O'Gill says:

            I wonder if what we’re seeing isn’t a 2nd rate copy, I mean those videos look like a capture of the original taken by a iPhone or whatever.

            Was original CCTV video ever released? This stuff, we are basically looking at a shaky hand-held unfocussed capture of a grimy greasy store screen replay, impossible to say whats what on there. I;m going to stop looking at it till original is released.

            Whoever carried out this despicable act did not expect poor Jessica to live, they assumed it would be classed as an accident. So I’m optimistic that the increasingly intense unexpected pressure will rattle them.

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        • Alaskagurl says:

          I didn’t think they would be that smart. But, they knew the video would capture the person buying the gas. What are the odds two people, buying gas at this small convenience store both wearing a stripped shirt one hour before the murder.

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          • Lottacats says:

            Yeah, not that smart. Doubt they thought of Ali’s video either. Stripe shirts, saw one tonight, not uncommon really. I don’t think I’d give much on the smarts rating, just had opportunity and being punk thug gang bangers without any regard for another’s life.
            Effing LOSERS!

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          • Darby O'Gill says:

            If I planned this atrocious crime, I would not:

            (1) I would not use my cell phone at any stage before or after the murder, too many cases have been solved based on GPS, phone data, SMS messaging etc. In a recent murder case here (Ireland), an arrest, conviction and sentence in a murder case was successful, purely based on mobile phone data – the guy was caught on local signal towers driving to and from scene from scene, even with phone switched off! Do you seriously think that criminals don’t know that?

            (2) I would not allow myself to be seen or captured on CCTV buying gas in a can at the exact same time that the intended victim was filling up with gas there. Because of this, I am ruling out the gas can guy – BUT maybe the gas he bought WAS used in the crime. He is duped into buying gas, that might have been used for the crime.

            Also- what is the point of spraying “accelerant” up nostrils/ down throat “as message” to snitches or whatever, how exactly are the snitches sposed to get that message, if the victim dies? That strategy of scaring possible future snitches can only make sense if they (the future snitches) hear about it somehow. If accelerant was sprayed in J mouth, it is much more likely that it was sprayed in there to destroy DNA evidence, for example of a sexual crime.

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            • reconcharlie76 says:

              Agree with everything but the snitch’s part. This sort of thing is like sicilian necktie comparison. DNA evidence too..
              I dont think Sha’Sha’ was involved either.
              I believe JC relapsed

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    • joshua says:

      sounds pretty close to me too.

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    • firefly says:

      My spidey senses say the same….if they were not involved, they knew too much! I`m sure at least 6 or more may be involved.

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    • taqiyyologist says:

      I can’t refute any of SDawg’s comment.

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    • Tom Fletcher says:

      I agree with you that the burning was something to cover up something that escalated further than the original intent, either by accident or perhaps because Jessica fought back and wouldn’t submit. Her time at Leah’s may have given her a new confidence that took her attackers by surprise.

      If that’s the case, that means the only way they could break her was to kill her. So many people have talked about her strong will, and that forced them to “Go too far.”

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    • StormyeyesC says:

      I’m with you as far as the suspects, Keisha, Sandy Rudd, and Beajuan Byers. I also agree Sha Sha had some involvement. The motive is still unclear to me. Gangs are all about ‘disrespect”, or dissing. For whatever reason, she dissed someone, who and how I am not sure. Possibly, she went for a quick meet up with her current boyfriend (who her parents may not have approved of). I do not think she went to Leah’s place.
      I don’t think Ali was involved in any way myself. I do believe she fought back, maybe that is how her head was wounded.
      George Mister may have been involved as well, in fact, many people likely witnessed the initial struggle. I cannot rule out Eric, her most recent boyfriend at this point.

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        Are you sure Eric was her most recent boyfriend?

        I thought it was Ke’eric or Tavion who was her latest BF.

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  15. Old Redneck says:

    The two people in the striped shirts are not the same, please note that one is carrying the can in the right hand and the other in the left! Might I be so bold as to suggest the one that the image is blurred in is actually a woman, look carefully and you will see what I mean. Back to lurking in the shadows again.

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    • waltherppk says:

      FWIW I haven’t looked at the videos again to review, but my first impression was the curved handle jugs looked like bleach jugs when I first saw the video. I recall thinking nobody is supposed to put gas in a bleach jug so maybe the person was carrying bleach not gas.

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      • harrypara says:

        Wasn’t that gruesome murder in TN, Bleach was used to destroy evidence I think

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        • harrypara says:

          The couple that was kidnapped by the four males and female. Raped and murdered.

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          • ShepherdDawg says:

            That was a black on white crime, too.

            And it was also ignored by the mainstream media.

            Their names were Channon Christian and Chris Newsome. They were murdered in 2007.

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            • ShepherdDawg says:

              Another instance in which a white girl was kidnapped, brutally raped and burned to death by a black criminal was in Georgia in 2012. Her name was Amber DeLoach.

              The perp was caught, and was sentenced to life in prison.

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    • waltherppk says:

      Maybe the fellow who bought gas for his generator needed to buy bleach too so he could wash his DNA out of that generator before spilling gas on it.

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    • waltherppk says:

      I’m really interested in what was the make, model, and serial number of that generator and where was it found located.

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      • John Galt says:

        There was a photo / video of a yellow generator next to “cleared” gas can guy’s shack. I found Topeak and two or three Chinese water cooled diesel generators at alibaba.com which had a similar yellow paint. However nothing I found appeared to have an exposed black radiator that I thought I saw in the photo / video — maybe somebody had removed a sheet metal radiator shroud.

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      • Jan says:

        The generator was outside the trailer Brejuan lives in. They were running their electricity or heat from a generator.

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        • waltherppk says:

          So they definitely did check out the story there, okay good. Just checking. The white jugs still looked like bleach jugs. Anyway I buy jugs of fuel but never carry them to the store as part of that transaction and never saw it done that way. People generally always put the jug in the vehicle after filling it or leave it sitting where it is temporarily and go pay for it. Just never see it done the way it is done there with foot traffic carrying a fuel jug.

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          • sidneyaneres says:

            I think the generator guy lived in walking distance, not drive, so he carried the container. Once I think I heard he lived across the street a bit

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            • ShepherdDawg says:

              I think Boone Mister (or one of the Mister men) lives very close to the M&M too.

              I might be wrong about that, but I thought that is who Ali was referring to in his early interview where he points over to where “Pooh Man” or “Boone” lives.

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              • Tom Fletcher says:

                Brejuan Byers is known as “boo man.”

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                • lorac says:

                  In CA, you can only put fuel in state approved red cannisters – not in anything else. Sounds like other states allow fuel to be put in cannisters not designed for fuel….?

                  There are services on the freeway which will bring you a gallon of gas, but otherwise if you have to walk to a gas station, you have to buy the special container or you can’t get any gas in anything else (unless you drive around with one in your vehicle for emergency situations).

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                • harrypara says:

                  There may be a law but it’s self serve, Do you think Ali is going to run out of the station and stop someone from filling up a can that’s partially or fully concealed behind a car as he’s filling it. That same law applies in other states but many people don’t follow it. The clerk is in the station.

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                • ShepherdDawg says:

                  Thanks.

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    • jjfband says:

      I too believe that the striped shirt walking out of the frame is a husky woman. The way she waddles seems to indicate that she is really struggling to carry the gas.

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    • KeithS says:

      I thought the other one looked like a woman as well.

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  16. cali says:

    I agree – these striped shirts are not the same; the clock on the right lower corner may be 6:29:59 in my guess.
    While I agree with the theory that Jessica’s mother has a gap in her ’emotional’ connect with Jessica – I also think that they had a more distant relationship than not; having her young daughter of 14 living with a family affiliated with gang activity and drugs out of necessity is not an action a mother would support or lightly allow. Having read that she was thrown out by both of her parents – underneath that family dynamic is something strangely amiss.

    Looking at the picture of Jessica leaning on the lady in the same picture – shows a very happy and relieved young girl with a genuine warm smile.
    I’m not sure whether she attempted to drive to Leah’s House that night; the intention may was there but could have been interrupted by a call by someone luring her wherever they panned to assault her.
    God willing – something, somewhere clicks or fits – may he give you that ‘dot’ to start the ball rolling into the theory that makes sense.
    You surely deserve it – Jessica deserves it!

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      QUOTE: “I also think that they had a more distant relationship than not; having her young daughter of 14 living with a family affiliated with gang activity and drugs out of necessity is not an action a mother would support or lightly allow.”

      She was living with the Rudds at the age of 14? YIKES!!!

      QUOTE: ” Having read that she was thrown out by both of her parents – underneath that family dynamic is something strangely amiss.”

      Yeah, I agree. I wonder if she actually ran away (looking for protection?).

      Maybe her parents were abusing her? As horrible as it is to contemplate, there are many instances of evil parents physically or sexually abusing their own children, or forcing them into the sex trade.

      Her dad was involved in the drug trade.

      Maybe her dad’s sketchy friends were abusing her, and she didn’t feel safe there, or her dad was turning a blind eye to the abuse?

      I think that haunting photo of the cheerleader squad from the previous thread might be significant.

      As someone pointed out, Jessica is the only girl in that photo who is not smiling.

      She has a helpless, uncomfortable, weary look on her face, like as if she had been through a lot of trauma and couldn’t bring herself to smile.

      It’s heartbreaking.

      Thank you, LORD Jesus, for bringing Jessica home to Your loving arms, in heaven, where there is no more crying or suffering or tears or pain.

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      • lorac says:

        I believe I read it was ages 15-17, because she’d been out of the relationship for two years before death. But I agree with someone else here who earlier said, it was probably an on and off again thing, spending some time with the boyfriend a few days at a time. For all we know, it could have just been weekends. I imagine Jessica did better at school than the boyfriend/gangbanger did, and we know she was involved in extracurricular activities, so I don’t see her throwing herself full-time into his lifestyle. We don’t even know if he graduated, and his extracurricular activities weren’t “school sponsored”, shall we say. For some reason she was attracted to this type of loser with no future, but as I said, she was involved in school, and seemed to have a love of life and participating in it.

        At least she had the good sense not to get pregnant early and be bound in some way to the loser for life. Her father’s past discretions were when she was younger, and some, if not all, were after he left Jessica’s mother, and Jessica remained in the mom’s home. Yeah, even with all of the bad influences nearby, and even with her odd pull to “bad boys”, I think she skirted the outsides, and was going to fly free of it with some age and opportunity.

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        • ShepherdDawg says:

          I’m not sure that she was really attracted to bad boys.

          She probably just wanted to be cared about and loved, and wasn’t getting that at home, so she turned to boys at her high school.

          The school is reportedly 75% black. The “bad boys” (i.e. boys involved in the gangsta culture, if not actually members of gangs themselves) probably comprised the vast majority of the selection of boys available.

          I still find it extremely odd that the cheer squad is ENTIRELY white, even though the school is supposedly 75% black.

          I wonder if the cheer squad is being maintained as a sort of “stable” of white girls available for exploitation, perhaps by staff members (gym teacher, etc) who are friendly with the gangs, and are exploiting the girls along with the football team, gang members, and gang associates (which probably includes most of the male students at Panola HS).

          On a related note, girls and women who have been sexually abused or raped often have abusive boyfriends, because they feel degraded, damaged and dirty, so they assume that no nice boy would ever be interested in them, and they often feel they “deserve” to have an abusive boyfriend.

          If Jessica was a victim of sexual abuse, rape, forced prostitution, either by a relative or by strangers (such as fellow students), then she may have felt that she wasn’t “good enough” for a nice boy.

          It is heartbreaking, but a lot of abuse victims feel that way, especially if no one has ever cared about them.

          If I had to guess, the gang-affiliated crowd at that high school operates by luring white girls to parties, getting them drunk/high, and then sexually assaulting them to “initiate” the white girls into being a “b****” for the black guys.

          Once they are in that lifestyle, victims often feel worthless and it is tough to get out, especially when the victim comes from a broken home, where the parents might be abusive too.

          As I mentioned in a previous post, high schools are VERY cliquey places, and being part of the “popular” crowd is extremely important.

          The gangsta guys who comprise the “popular” crowd at this HS probably ostracize and denigrate white girls who aren’t interested in them, by shunning the white girls, calling them racist, groping or assaulting them, if they don’t comply.

          How many of the vulnerable white cheerleaders at this HS could withstand such pressure to submit to the gangs, especially with the school authorities and law enforcement looking the other way, for fear of being called “racist”?

          LORD Jesus, this Christmas I pray for the girls of Panola high school, and girls who are in similar situations throughout the country, that you would deliver them from evil, and heal and restore them. To you, LORD Jesus, no one is worthless, and we are commanded to not call anything impure that God has made clean.

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    • Lynn says:

      I cant speak about Jessica’s relationship with her mom after the 10th grade because I wasn’t around but I can tell you prior to that they were very close. Her mom was very active in her life – attended every cheer practice, ball game, competition. she was both involved and emotionally supportive. Her sister AJ (Amanda) was also the same. Jessica was very close to AJ and they had a strong bond/relationship.

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  17. jimikey79 says:

    Two totally different shirts. Even with the low quality video I can still tell it is not the same shirt.

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  18. firefly says:

    (1.) When did Jessica and Bryan end their relationship?
    (2.) Who did Jessica assault?
    (3.) When did Bryan move?
    (4.) What happened to Jessica after that relationship?
    Relationships that young over a 2 yr period can leave a young person in despair.

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    • firefly says:

      I think Jessica was ready to move forward…she had a car, had a job and Leah `s House as a source of comfort. What led her to M&M,I believe, someone lured her and it was premeditated.

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      • firefly says:

        Anyone that has ever been to a rehab center, know that most patients have some sort of anxiety or depression, I think Jess was depressed and Sha Sha knew it.

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    • Staying in bed all day and getting up early evening to leave in clothes not suited for a party would indicate that Jessica was probably very depressed. So she could have been making a spur of the moment trip to Leah’s House. Or is that too obvious to waste a comment on?

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      • firefly says:

        She was going somewhere…did Leahs House tell the Police she was supposed to meet someone? Did they call Police or Jess mom, if Jess never showed up?

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      • lorac says:

        Devil’s advocate here – she also had just started a job after a few months at a serene country place – might have needed the weekend to “catch up on sleep”. It can be an adjustment getting back into routine. She might have even stayed up late watching movies, and slept in. Teenagers are naturally more night owls than younger or older folks – there are schools considering changing school hours to better accomodate the waking cycle of teens. Of course, she could have had some depression, but I would caution about taking one incident of sleeping in as evidence of it 🙂 By all accounts, her life was turning around, and she’d be more likely moving away from depression.

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        • lorac says:

          Hmppff I put a smiley in there, but it didn’t take 🙂

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        • Nana says:

          I agree. All my kids did this and the would always leave there phone on. At times I thought they were asleep and the were texting in bed. Maybe the “party” was actually a support group.

          My daughter had a rough go. Lived with bio mom because we had too many “rules”. Even bio mom started to clamp down on her. She choose to move to a friend an she lived in chaos and dirt. Worse nights in my life worrying about her.

          She got through all that and is such a sweet and wonderful women. Jessica never had a chance to move on.

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      • It could also indicate that she is still actively using stimulants (meth, or even prescribed – or illegally bought – Adderral, Vivance, Ritalin, etc) because I don’t know of any girls Jessica’s age sleeping in til 6:00 pm unless they were taking a break from the above mentioned prescription drugs. By “break” I mean 1 or 2 days, not weeks or months. This lack of stims will also cause far less upkeep in appearance and social activities. I know most here would probably like to give Jessica the benefit of a doubt that she had put her drug use behind her, but I am just not seeing proof of that from the families own statements, or comments made by the pastor. The clue is in the verbiage. For example, and I speak of this only because of vast addiction issues among my own immediate family and YEARS of NA and rehab with them…you do not say someone has “tried hard to put demons behind them” or “tried hard to get life back on track” if they are fully recovered. That’s NA speak for person keeps f@cking up, bigtime. When someone HAS moved past that, you indicate it has been conquered, and the accolades that go along with it. I am certain Jessica still was an addict, every indicator is textbook. She is also heavier in the store CCTV tape then in previous pics I have seen, when she was using more heavily & regularly. IMO she had not recovered from anything, although it sure seems she WANTED to. A girl as young as Jessica who had an addiction at such an important time of growth for a woman has thrown her adrenals into significant disarray…which is extremely difficult, even with a team of docs taking care of you…to fix. Even teens taking a perceived ‘step down’ from meth to prescribed stims or illegally bought stims (and there is a HUGE black market for this, NA in my area is 25-30% housewives and mothers who took their kids’ Ritalin when they needed to haul ass cleaning house, and now have a raging addiction) will sleep endlessly, gain weight by 3-5 pounds per day(!) and have major disruption in thought and diurnal processes. Many girls have extreme difficulty in staying off stims just because of the weight gain alone.
        From what the people who knew her best have said, Jessica was struggling with recovery. She probably was buying drugs that night, away from the locals to now hide from THEM that she had not conquered her addiction issues. An addicts life is far more complicated than one would think. If drugs show up in her tox screen, take this info seriously. The information pipeline that is known to gangs may have followed or knew of this purchase, which they consider ‘cheating’ or an act of disloyalty. That alone could cause a significant confrontation or altercation, although burning seems way to personal for just a buyer/user relationship-breakup, unless there were other mitigating factors. Meth-heads are made crazy by their addiction, and will do really crazy things. And extreme violence is definitely “one of those things.”

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        • White Hat JD says:

          As someone who worked closely with drug addicted kids for a few years, she just doesn’t give off the vibe or the eyes of an addict to me. I think she used, but I don’t see an addict.

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          • White Hat JD says:

            Though she never had 2 pounds on her body. She was always a little stick and she did like a page about Chicken, so….

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        • manickernel says:

          Actually there has been no evidence I know of that she was addicted at any time, though it is a possibility. The “rehab” she was in was also for “battered women”, which is what her Dad indicated was her reason for going there.

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        • ShepherdDawg says:

          I definitely don’t think she was still addicted when she was murdered.

          The last photo of her with her grandmother shows a smiling, relieved young woman, with a new sense of confidence.

          She does not look drugged out in that last photo.

          In fact, there is no evidence that she was ever addicted to anything in the first place.

          With regard to looking “heavy” at the M&M, she was wearing baggy clothes.

          I don’t think a drug dealer would burn her alive because she started buying drugs from someone else.

          I think she was succeeding in overcoming the abuse, trauma, possible addictions, and gang lifestyle, and the gang killed her for it, because they did not want her to escape.

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    • Tom Fletcher says:

      My guess is that the relationship ended sometime in 2013. The Jessica N Bryan account stops posting in 2013 and Bryan starts using his current account (Dra D Costa the last I saw).

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      • firefly says:

        He has a new gf in Aug of 2013, he definately moved on with his life!

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        • Tom Fletcher says:

          There was some talk by AJ and Lisa on the Justice for Jessica page where they both said that Bryan was a boy she dated “a couple of years ago.” and also that theresa Fleming was no friend to Jessica or to them.

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    • Lottacats says:

      Asked this before but…….How do we KNOW Bryan Rudd did not come to MS. that weekend. After all, it’s his home turf. Does he actually work a REAL job in Iowa? If he’s in jail, I’d not be asking this but…???

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  19. alan says:

    back to the choking incident the week before…Ali knows who did that, as didn’t it happen on his lot? And, would there be video of that? Also, the video should be useful to see who was there 15 minutes prior to her arrival, and 15 minutes after she left, as well as shortly after the fire as the location looks like easy walking distance to M&M. Don’t cell phones ping every once and awhile even if you are not making a call? Can’t we get ALL the cell phones that were on that lonely road where the fire was during the burning?? DNA on the phone? Jess didn’t take the battery out herself. How long does it take to do an autopsy? Where is Dr. Baden when we need him….oh…never mind about him.

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    • insomniakat says:

      What proof is there that Jessica was choked the week before? At this point, it’s just a rumor, and I think it might be someone else who was involved in some kind of confrontation the week before the murder. Maybe the rumor actually involved other people, not Jessica, but it was thrown out there to possibly be involving Jessica to deflect and create more confusion.

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        Law enforcement should seize Ali’s video records (if they haven’t already) for the few weeks prior to the incident, and have someone watch it, to see if the choking incident was caught on Ali’s cameras.

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        • Jan says:

          According to Ali, the video at his store retapes over after one week.

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          • ShepherdDawg says:

            Even if the original footage is taped over, if the footage was digital, it was recorded on a hard drive (as opposed to an old cassette recorder like they had in the 1990s).

            If it was recorded to a hard drive, the footage might still be recoverable through electronic forensics.

            Even if information on a hard drive is deleted, until the specific part of the hard drive that the information was written on is over-written with new material, the deleted information is still there. It’s just not readily accessible.

            Even if new information is written on the hard drive over the deleted information, due to miniscule differences in spacing when the hard drive is written over, some or all of the deleted info might still be recoverable.

            That’s why entities with sensitive info (the government, big corporations, NGO’s, etc) run software that over-writes the entire hard drive space SEVERAL times, before they discard old hard drives.

            It’s kind of like writing on a paper with pencil. If you erase the writing, the impression is still probably readable. Unless you scribble over the same exact spot heavily, to obscure the original writing.

            Unless Ali has run software that wipes his entire hard drive, the deleted footage is likely still there.

            And if he has wiped his hard drive since Jessica’s death, that clearly means he is trying to destroy evidence, and it might even be illegal (usually after a crime a CCTV operator is told by police not to delete their video records, in case those records are needed for evidence).

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            • ShepherdDawg says:

              And even if Ali has wiped his hard drive (which would be extremely suspicious and probably constitute destruction of evidence), the FBI can still try to recover information from it.

              Such processes are expensive, but the FBI does have the capability to try to recover the footage.

              Even if the hard drive has been wiped and over-written.

              It’s all a question of whether the powers that be actually care about solving this case.

              Considering that the reward is still at 17K, it looks like they aren’t interested.

              I believe that the reward has deliberately been set at a pitiful amount, to discourage anyone with information from coming forward.

              It’s like the authorities are trying to tell potential informants, “don’t bother coming forward, we really don’t care, so we aren’t offering much money.”

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          • carterzest says:

            our DVR’s at work age off old footage after two weeks, and, that is fairly standard on “higher end” systems. It is highly possible that Ali’s is NOT a higher end system…

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          • StormyeyesC says:

            They often do retape over after 5 days, 7 days or 10 days.

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        • MSMom says:

          Probably a possibility it’s not used very often, but do we know if the ATM machine camera was checked for any use in Ali’s store for people there around same time as well as time of alleged altercation the week before?

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      • harrypara says:

        I read that when questioned about that Ali said he wasn’t working that day so something must have happened.

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      • manickernel says:

        LEO got it off the video, which they do have the complete drive. Gotta keep up folks.

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      • LetJusticePrevail" says:

        All very good observations.

        This could be part of a”disinformation” campaign to throw “citizen investigators” off the track.

        Bear in mind, the officers were at the M&M store the same night as the murder. They may have taken the first videos of the monitor then. and tried to keep them “secret”. But their plan was “foiled” when the reporter broadcast them on TV. It was after that piece of reporting that the cops went back and took Ali’s entire DVR, making it totally impossible for any more reporters to get their hands on the footage.

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    • waltherppk says:

      IIRC they ping every 7 seconds, on or off

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  20. joshua says:

    not a single word from Mississippi Governor, a Republican…..as well, not a single word from Mississippi Attorney General, a long time office holder and a Democrat…..Like this has NO BIG IMPORTANCE to folks in the State House in Jackson….Is the state just stupid, or apathetic about crime?

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    • Alaskagurl says:

      The Governor doesn’t care, to him she was just poor white trash. Obama sent Michelle Obama and Valerie Jarrett to attend that black girls funeral in Chicago who was shot and killed by gangs. They pick the ones that will give them more political attention. The Gov. of Mississippi is a coward!

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      • Eskie Mom says:

        I’m afraid that’s it. And also with Chapman & Darby/ other influential people in the community. People can be cruel, but this is downright inhuman (imho). Karma can be pretty cruel, too.

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        QUOTE:”not a single word from Mississippi Governor, a Republican…..as well, not a single word from Mississippi Attorney General, a long time office holder and a Democrat…..Like this has NO BIG IMPORTANCE to folks in the State House in Jackson….Is the state just stupid, or apathetic about crime?”

        It’s unbelievable. An establishment snob like Thad Cochran or Trent Lott ignoring this case is to be expected, but I thought Phil Bryant was a staunch Tea Party conservative?

        It’s not like Gov. Bryant is beholding to the Black Grievance Industry for votes.

        Who does he think voted for him?

        MS voters should slam this idiot’s phone lines and demand action!

        The same goes for Gregg Harper and Alan Nunnelee. They are Republicans too. Why are they silent? Are they too busy partying with John Boehner and caving in to Obama?

        And what about all the Republican state legislators and state senators in MS? None of them care about innocent white victims either?

        Unbelievable.

        Honestly, its almost as if most GOP politicians are being blackmailed into silence and complicity or something. Very disappointing.

        What do you guys think about holding some kind of Justice for Jessica rally, if there isn’t progress in this case sometime soon?

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        • JustMe says:

          I agree everyone should start calling these people. Do we have numbers for all these absent elected fools. I think a rally would be great if we could get hundreds to show up.

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        • lou says:

          honestly, do you really want the elected legislative members to act like they did in Ferguson or in the Trayvon Martin case?…..interfering with an investigation and tainting the jury pool?…..no, we don’t……

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          • ShepherdDawg says:

            Hi lou,

            Nobody is advocating that politicians taint the jury pool, or act like the Trayvon/Michael Brown supporters.

            What Republican politicians SHOULD be doing is reassuring their constituents that they are following this case, that anti-white hate crimes are not going to be tolerated, and keeping up pressure on the federal, state, and local authorities to solve this case, even if it means offending black people.

            Why can’t Gov. Phil Bryant at least make a statement saying, “I would like to assure all MS citizens that we are taking this case extremely seriously, and violence against any race will not be tolerated. It is unacceptable for people who are upset over the Ferguson/Garner/Trayvon decisions to engage in anti-white violence. The people of this state can rest assured that all available resources of the MBI, the state police, and local law enforcement are being utilized to solve this case. Justice will be done, and the perpetrators will be identified, arrested, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. While I am governor, I will not tolerate hate crimes against any race, whether the victims are ethnic minorities, or white people.”

            Why can’t he say something like that? i don’t think that is unreasonable.

            I suppose it would be too much to expect that the governor would contact the family to reassure them that the case is being diligently investigated.

            How come no politicians (even local) attended Jessica’s funeral?

            It’s disgraceful.

            Evidently white lives don’t matter these days.

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        QUOTE: “The Governor doesn’t care, to him she was just poor white trash. Obama sent Michelle Obama and Valerie Jarrett to attend that black girls funeral in Chicago who was shot and killed by gangs. They pick the ones that will give them more political attention. The Gov. of Mississippi is a coward!”

        Exactly.

        It seems that elitist whites these days couldn’t care less about poor whites.

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        • Jan says:

          I’m not sure the Governor can give a reward….

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          • ShepherdDawg says:

            Why can’t he offer a reward from state funds?

            Why can’t the MBI offer a large reward.

            If they offered maybe 100K, that might get people talking, because its enough to start a new life somewhere else.

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      • Not only does this one not give the attention they want – there’s a risk that it becomes politically toxic for a variety of reasons. It’s a lot like the way they tell lawyers to never ask a question they don’t know the answer to. Politicians never want their names associated with something or someone they don’t know the future implications of.

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    • The Governor could put a huge reward out there and why hasn’t he done that?

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        He could, but he hasn’t.

        It’s been 17 days since the murder, and not a single word out of Phil Bryant.

        He evidently doesn’t care.

        Or maybe he is planning on running for president in 2016, and is trying to please the mainstream media by being super politically correct.

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        • Alaskagurl says:

          They think if, they keep that reward so low no one will come forward, and this case will just go cold and unsolved.

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          • ShepherdDawg says:

            Yep.

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            • Jan says:

              Do yall really think the LE does not want to solve this case? Based on what? Understand this is a decent size group of folks involved in the gang lifestyle and they stick together, don’t talk unless it benefits the group. They have to be positive when they make an arrest. How do we know they don’t know who it was, but want to be able to convict?

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              • ShepherdDawg says:

                I am not necessarily talking about individual investigators and detectives, but rather the “top brass” who control them, decide what resources should be devoted to a particular investigation, worry about being politically correct, etc.

                I think that:

                1) Local LE is not interested in solving this case, for reasons that are not totally clear. Perhaps the department is corrupt, perhaps the DA and / or sheriff are corrupt, perhaps they don’t want to rock the boat, perhaps they ae afraid of being called racist, perhaps they are scared that the gangs will go after them, and perhaps the gangs have footage of Champion or Darby sleeping with a goat.

                It’s totally clear that local LE was hoping to bury this, before it was dragged into the sunlight. Now they can’t simply bury it.

                2) I think that the state LE (MBI, State Fire Marshal, state police, etc) follows the lead of the governor. The governor, for whatever reason, does not seem interested in making this case a high priority. Maybe he is afraid of being called racist. Maybe he is a coward.

                3) Federal LE (USMS, BATFE, FBI) is controlled by Eric Holder and the Obama admin. Enough said. Even if rank-and-file agents want to solve this case, they can’t unless Holder gives them freedom of action, deploys enough assets and resources to the area, etc. Holder would probably like to bury this case, because he hates white people.

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    • harrypara says:

      It’s not just the governor, how about the whole state, I would think if something like this happened most other places that hillside would have been covered with flowers just from the locals.

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      • Alaskagurl says:

        Yea that is awful the amount of flowers that hillside has. I thought these people said Jessica, was their friend I have seen bigger rallies and parades for Terrorists.

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        • ShepherdDawg says:

          It seems that the locals simply don’t care at all.

          There is a very strange dynamic in that community.

          It has to be more than just gang intimidation.

          Even the local whites don’t seem to care.

          It’s inexplicable.

          Does anyone down in MS have any insight on this apathy?

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  21. ShepherdDawg says:

    Has anyone tried reaching out to the previous sheriff, Otis Griffin, who Dennis Darby defeated in the last election?

    I wonder what Otis Griffin’s take on this case is.

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    • joshua says:

      Posted on September 28, 2009.

      BATESVILLE — Authorities say an autopsy was being performed Monday on the body of Panola County Sheriff Hugh Wayne “Shot” Bright, though it appears the gunshot wound that killed him was self-inflicted.

      District Attorney John Champion said Bright was found dead at a friend’s house in Batesville Sunday afternoon. He said authorities are interviewing people to find out if Bright had been depressed or if something had been bothering him.

      Champion told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday that the death appears to be suicide, but no note has been found.

      Panola County Supervisor William “Bubba” Waldrup and Batesville Mayor Jerry Autrey also said Bright shot himself and that he was pronounced dead at Tri-Lakes Medical Center.

      Bright was elected sheriff in 2005 to complete the term of David Bryan, who died of cancer. Bright was elected to a four-year term in 2007. Bright worked for 20 years in the sheriff’s department including several years as jail administrator.

      Champion said Bright had set up a competent chain of leadership and the department can absorb the sheriff’s loss while still protecting the community.

      Champion said Chief Deputy Otis Griffin will run the sheriff’s department until an interim sheriff is appointed by the board of supervisors.

      The Mississippi Bureau of Investigation was handling the investigation into Bright’s death. Champion said Funeral arrangements were incomplete.

      Champion also said sheriffs from surrounding counties have offered to help in any way they can, including having their deputies patrol near the county lines if needed.

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      • joshua says:

        and then ANOTHER PANOLA COUNTY SHERIFF DEPT GUY COMMITS “SUICIDE”…IS THIS a trend or fluke???

        Panola deputy
        7/24/2010

        Panola County Deputy Sheriff Michael Downs apparently took his own life late Friday around midnight at his Pittman Road home east of Batesville.

        Fellow deputies, neighbors and family converged on the deputy’s home minutes after the incident, eerily recalling a scene in Batesville 10 months ago when Sheriff Hugh Wayne “Shot” Bright took his own life.

        Investigator Tim Douglas of the Mississippi Highway Patrol is in charge of investigation. An autopsy is being performed in Jackson.

        Interim Sheriff Otis Griffin said Downs will “truly be missed.”

        “There wasn’t anything in this world that I couldn’t have asked him to do that he wouldn’t do. The whole department loved Michael,” Griffin said.

        Chief Deputy Andy Estridge described Downs as “One of my best deputies.”

        Griffin spoke with his staff following the incident and later said there is always concern after the loss of a fellow officer. He noted that an organization made up of law enforcement volunteers is assisting with counseling.

        Law Enforcement Alliance for Peer Support (LEAPS) representative Jimmy McCloud with Batesville Police Department was on the scene with Down’s fellow deputies at the Friday night and early Saturday morning scene.

        “A lot of times, people just need to talk,” said McCloud, a certified peer counselor. Volunteer psychologists can be called when needed, McCloud said. Also working as peer counselor is Jimmy Anthony who volunteers through the Sheriff’s Department

        Downs is the son of William and Debbie Downs, and has one brother, Justin, all of Pittman Road, Batesville. Funeral arrangements are incomplete.

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        • taqiyyologist says:

          Neither of these give me a boatload of confidence in the abilities of the MBI.

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        • ShepherdDawg says:

          “Bright was elected sheriff in 2005 to complete the term of David Bryan, who died of cancer”

          Very suspicious, especially when viewed in light of the other Panola sheriff’s deputy suicides.

          When was the last time a sheriff in this county actually completed a full term?

          Bryan dies of cancer in 2005, Bright kills himself, Griffin loses reelection after just a partial term, and now Darby is sheriff.

          I wonder if the gangs control the sheriff’s office in this county.

          The MBI and FBI should investigate, to find out just how corrupt this sheriff’s department and county government is.

          And I’d still like to see Darby and Champion’s campaign contribution reports.

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      • Indiemex says:

        I smell a rat. Who goes to a friends house to kill himself?

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        • vin1vid1vic1 says:

          HIs “girl” friend. Another news item states “He seemed normal, had been to church in the morning with his wife and had lunch together then went to his girlfriend’s house where he committed suicide. “It was known around that he had a girlfriend”… You cannot make this stuff up… Something in the water out there???

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      • Lottacats says:

        Otis Griffin was there by default after Shot shot himself.

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    • Alaskagurl says:

      I bet Otis if, he’s alive has plenty to say.

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    • Eskie Mom says:

      This is real good idea. If he will talk to anyone about it.

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    • sundance says:

      I’ve been saying that same thing for over a week. Otis Griffin needs to be interviewed.

      It appears after Darby took official office, that Otis Griffin left the dept. Why?

      FWIW Griffin is black, and, from what I can determine, part of a small non-corrupt circle.

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        Maybe Darby is corrupt and was elected with support from the gangs (possibly in the form of campaign contributions from gang “associates” and family members without criminal records, and possibly in the form of votes from their extended families).

        Maybe Otis Griffin didn’t want to work for a corrupt department.

        Or maybe they all are corrupt, but Darby and Griffin just don’t get along with each other.

        Hopefully Griffin is not corrupt.

        He really needs to be interviewed about his take on all this.

        If Darby bungles this, maybe Griffin can run for sheriff again. I don’t understand why he is being so quiet, although maybe he thinks it would be unprofessional to comment on an ongoing investigation that he isn’t involved in.

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  22. Christmas says:

    Something that I’d like to note just in case it hasn’t been mentioned before that I just thought of. Sorry if it has been mentioned.

    Jessica looks to be a pretty small woman. My wife is also small. I am a bigger guy, and every time I drive her car, I always have to make the seat go back. She puts it waaaaayyyy forward so her feet reaches the pedals. If someone else did in fact drive the car, there is a good chance that the seat would be farther back than what Jessica would have had it.

    I also would not seem to think that the tow truck man would have to adjust the seat to put the parking brake on, but I could be wrong.

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    • Alaskagurl says:

      The passenger seat was laying down, probably to drive a knocked out Jessica to the next location. I haven’t read anything on the drivers seat. We need the autopsy report.

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      • Dixie Darling says:

        All of those who have previously commented extensively on this subject are probably enjoying Christmas with their families and I hope so, but the seat of the driver has been discussed at length on other Jessica threads. The back of the driver’s seat was reclined like gangbangers drive. That was established some time ago.

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      • MSMom says:

        This has really been bothering me kinda going back to the basics. It’s pretty common for kids around MS to hang out in and around their cars sitting on them, in them, and around them. It’s also common if someone’s in driver’s side and passenger side for someone to come around and stand at driver’s side door to talk etc. Whether lured, premeditated, or just opportunity since she was probably there talking to someone, is it possible someone was at her driver side door upset, ripped off the windshield wiper and hit her over head with it, and then joining the tragedy someone doused her in something flammable? Seagrams gin perhaps? That bottle with no label looks like 1/2 pint Seagrams. Grab her cell, remove battery and toss away from car so she couldn’t call for help? That sounds like something a jealous or pissed female would do).
        The reasons I ask:
        How common is it for someone to escape their own burning car (without being pulled out) If drivers door is closed and interior handle is plastic with those kind of burns? Would door have more likely been open?
        Was it the drivers side wiper found on the ground? Can’t tell but photos look like passenger side wiper was still there after burning of car. Where was the gash on “top of her head” in relation to her car?
        How hard would it be to hit someone over head with anything in small Kia rio, force something down throat, set them on Fire without getting burned yourself and get out undetected. That sounds more like McGiver stuff.
        Whoever was in the car with her, did they participate or get scared to death and run off?
        These are just interesting questions I can’t find answers for and wanted to hear others thoughts.

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      It’s possible that the seat was back because Jessica was sexually assaulted on it.

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    • yankeeintx says:

      Did you notice the name on the card?

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        What name was on the card?

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        • yankeeintx says:

          The Last Refuge

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          • ShepherdDawg says:

            Cool 🙂

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              • Lottacats says:

                I’m so glad this site, card signed, The Last Refuge, we were there to help with Jessica’s’ memorial. It really frosts my fanny that her so called friends didn’t do that right away. Drunk drivers etc. get memorials so it’s not uncommon friends could’ve, should’ve done it. I can’t begin to tell you how many roadside memorials are all along the roads in MS. and major roads at that! I just don’t get WHY it didn’t happen before! Fear, knowledge is all I can think of to prevent.

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                • mscynlynn says:

                  If you go to to the article on this site where the flower memorial was put together you’ll see that The Last Refuge was at first told that any flowers would be removed and thrown out by the county road dept. So, the locals could have put stuff out there only to have it trashed. Once pressure was applied by posters on this site the county changed their minds and within the day of the flowers from The Last Refuge were placed there other flowers, balloons, Christmas trees and bows were placed by the locals.

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        • Poĺk8dot says:

          Here is the picture of the card posted with the article.

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  23. TNman says:

    My take: striped shirt people are different, sha sha is key ‘setting up’ Jessica and having knowledge of party, mister and Tudor are in this up to their necks(‘she was a good friend’ accompanied by Tudor eye roll, smirk, broken smile), Brejuan and Teapooh know what happened as well, murder and burning were planned-people don’t often have gas handy in their vehicle. Seems like dark time in the winter wouldn’t be a likely time to buy gasoline.

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    • taqiyyologist says:

      Ali is also up, way over his neck, for altering the video for the Keystone Kops.

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        Yep.

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      • manickernel says:

        Not really proven that Ali did edit it, and LEO have the complete drive now. The journalist has stated the video was not edited as well. I do agree that Ali has some other troubles though. The fact that it took a news journalist to find this video in the first place speaks volumes, along with original handling of crime scene by Panola County.

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    • kingnosmo94 says:

      No one seems to have mentioned it (or I missed it) but Auntie Sha Sha is wearing a striped shirt in her mugshot picture. (And can someone point it out again here? I have tried looking for it in the tree but had to go to other sites on the net to see it)

      And has anything ever been determined when she was picked up? She gave two other interviews with different clothing (hence two days) and on another day was wearing her striped shirt. At some point on this day she is worked over by someone and given a black eye and fat lip, picked up for questioning, and released about a day later. I am having a hard time wrapping my head around these events because the short timeframe does not seem to give enough of a time lapse for three different sets of clothing.

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        Very interesting observation. Do you think Sha Sha/Charlotte Wilkerson was one of the people in the CCTV footage wearing a striped shirt?

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  24. Indiemex says:

    I have always suspected that Lisa, Jessica’s mom, did not reveal all of the details of their conversation. That town is so thoroughly corrupt. She would certainly know that very few people can be trusted. Life is cheap in that small town. I think there was more to their conversation and she does not want the gangsters, and/or cops, to know how much she knows…..

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    • Alaskagurl says:

      She has very good reason to be afraid, hell the Governor of Mississippi won’t respond! Where is Jessica’s race czar out protesting for her? Two of the Chamber kids have died the Chambers are afraid of someone.

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      If there are details that Jessica’s mom didn’t want to tell the news media or the sheriff’s department, hopefully she told the FBI or US Marshals or BATFE.

      I would add the MBI to that list, but considering how even the governor is silent on this case, I’m not sure how free of corruption the MBI is.

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  25. insomniakat says:

    I’m not convinced Jessica was on her way to Leah’s House. Maybe she was, but with what we know so far, I just don’t have that impression. I still think that when Jessica was seen at M&M by Sandy Rudd, Kesha Ivy and Brejuan “Dreadhead” Byers, she targeted for racial and jealousy motives, either then or wherever Jessica went after she left M&M.. I think Sandy Rudd talked Jessica into stopping off for a little while down the road from where she was found to hang out, catch up on things. I think wherever this place is, it is close to where Jessica was found. I think Teanna “Teapooh” Rudd was at this meeting place, and perhaps one or more people.

    I think there was jealosy on the part of some of those there, such as Teanna “Teahpooh” Rudd and Sandy Rudd. I think all had racial motivation. These people had already worked themselves into a frenzy over the Micheal Brown and Eric Garner cases. So much so, that one of them, Teanna Rudd, couldn’t stop herself from calling out for the raping and burning of white women and children on her Facebook page. I think they started a fight with Jessica, assaulted Jessica, then Brejuan Byers and at least one other person staged the crime scene, setting Jessica and her car on fire, hoping it would seem like an accident.

    I think there are others in that community who weren’t there, but know what happened and who’s responsible, because the killers, or one of the killers told someone.

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    • KeithS says:

      wondering if the quarry past the fire scene on Herron Rd may be a common site for bon fire parties? seems it would have been a better, more private place to dump & burn a car…unless they didnt want to draw attention there for fear other evidence may be discovered.

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      • Lottacats says:

        I’ve heard about a quarry being out that way. Told my daughter years ago that could be a very dangerous place. Kids talked about swimming and waterfalls there. No way my kid was going there. So that was that…..thank God!

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      • Darby O'Gill says:

        Well that begs the question – why was she not killed and burned in the quarry?
        Maybe she was left at Herron Road side because-

        (1) To make it look like a road accident?
        or
        (2) She died / killed by side of Herron Road, and was burned there to cover up?
        or
        (3) Quicker way home on foot for perp from Herron road site

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  26. Diane says:

    No holiday for investigation into Chambers death
    http://www.panolian.com/68864/1180/breaking-news-2

    “Champion said last week investigators are not hearing the usual, “I ain’t telling you nothing,” phrases often heard from those being questioned.
    “They are telling us what they know . . . (this crime) was so bad everybody is cooperating.”

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  27. zephyrbreeze says:

    Sundance is right on about CTH having an “observer effect”:

    “The Hawthorne effect (also referred to as the observer effect) refers to a phenomenon whereby individuals improve or modify an aspect of their behavior in response to their awareness of being observed.[1][2] The original “Hawthorne effect” study suggested that the novelty of being research subjects and the increased attention from such could lead to temporary increases in workers’ productivity.”

    “The term was coined in 1950 by Henry A. Landsberger[3] when analyzing earlier experiments from 1924–32 at the Hawthorne Works (a Western Electric factory outside Chicago). The Hawthorne Works had commissioned a study to see if their workers would become more productive in higher or lower levels of light. The workers’ productivity seemed to improve when changes were made, and slumped when the study ended. It was suggested that the productivity gain occurred as a result of the motivational effect on the workers of the interest being shown in them.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_effect

    A personal way to employ this is when writing a letter of complaint to a company about a rude sales clerk or store manger, write to that manager, and CC: his boss, the regional boss, and the company president. Everyone knows that everyone else knows. Works every time.

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  28. olderglory says:

    As night falls, Christmas eve should bring the heaviest of burdens on the consciences of those involved in this heinous crime. May God bless and work through those here toiling to bring the guilty to justice.

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    • The responsible ones answer to Satan they don’t have a conscious!

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      • Lottacats says:

        Gary, you got that right. anyone who knows this truth has not yet come forward. I don’t think Christmas will change that fact. Ali has an idea, hell, lot of them do. They have black hearts. No feelings at all.

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      • lou says:

        not only that, but a lot of these people are low IQ…..they don’t think critically beyond their nose……empathy does not exist…..

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  29. taqiyyologist says:

    And may Mona Nelson have a Christmas.

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    1. Which striped shirt guy was it that disappeared like a Cheshire cat in and out on the video that Ali appeared to have interest in editing? Was sit the guy in the store with the thin-white stripes or the person outside with fat white stripes? Two guys would explain some confusion.
    2. Sundance’s scenario: Taking Hwy 51 south straight shot, Batesville to Courtland to Oakland (where the Leah House is off of Hwy 51) is 20 miles, 40 miles round trip…probably why Jess picked up a few extra gallons of gas because as she told Ali she had somewhere to go.
      Jess stayed in bed all day on Saturday because she didn’t want to be confronted by her mother Lisa, They were both part and parcel of each other’s problems. It would make sense that Jess would seek safe harbor elsewhere if only briefly, even using Leah House as a touchstone and then returning to home base to tough out the evening. I really don’t know if she made it down there or partway back. maybe she was followed and kidnapped at some point …Mista George is good for some of that kind of action, isn’t he.? Could have gotten out of hand when the little wisp of a young lady fought back. No one expected it to happen like this..tragic for sure..

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  30. mscynlynn says:

    One question on this Christmas Eve. Is Sandy Rudd the only one saying that Jessica lived with her for two years? When I was in high school, I didn’t live with my boyfriend but I spent so much time at his home that it was almost I lived there.

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    • firefly says:

      Apparently, Jess lived with Bryan, who lived with his mom, Theresa Fleming during some of the year in 2012.

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    • insomniakat says:

      Theresa Fleming Rudd is the only person to my knowledge that has claimed Jessica was thrown out of her house, so lived with her and her son Bryan Rudd for two years. I don’t believe her claims. I think Theresa Fleming Rudd likes the attention she gets making these claims. Is there any credible sources for these claims?

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      • mscynlynn says:

        I agree with you. I don’t think she lived with them at all. Posted above in this thread evidently by someone who knew them:

        Lynn says:
        December 24, 2014 at 8:56 pm
        I cant speak about Jessica’s relationship with her mom after the 10th grade because I wasn’t around but I can tell you prior to that they were very close. Her mom was very active in her life – attended every cheer practice, ball game, competition. she was both involved and emotionally supportive. Her sister AJ (Amanda) was also the same. Jessica was very close to AJ and they had a strong bond/relationship.

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  31. sidneyaneres says:

    Sundance you have mail.

    Have a Merry Christmas everyone.

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  32. georgiafl says:

    Jessica is a victim of Islam and black muslim supremacy culture and of her own wrong choices.
    Islam treats women like the black muslim gangstas of Mississippi treated Jessica Chambers.

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      Don’t blame Jessica for what happened.

      She was trying to get out of a destructive lifestyle all by herself, which is harder than most people can imagine.

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  33. sundance says:

    This is interesting. The “he” is Ali Alsanai.

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    • firefly says:

      Maybe he did not alter the vid, he could have left out some things. Can we get a copy of the entire video?

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    • Liberals editing say it isn’t so!

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    • Ah, MC and Ali, we don’t care about the clearest images of Jess. We care about seeing the clearest images of the perps who set her up and killed her. That’ll take the whole video in real time. Over and out.

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        +1000.

        I think Michael Clark is either mistaken or lying.

        Where is the missing ~1 minute from the footage?

        Clark is saying that they have that 1 minute of footage but haven’t broadcast it on TV?

        Upload it to YouTube then.

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        • StormyeyesC says:

          I had read a report that LE had asked him not to show that portion of the CCTV. Why I can’t say but a guess would be that a suspect is on it.

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      • John Galt says:

        Has anybody pointed out the apparently different striped shirts to Michael Clark?

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    • Buford says:

      It may have already been addressed. Based on Ali’s Facebook status, he is back in New York.

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      Since Michael Clark says that he only edited the clips for brevity, and to show the clearest clips, why not ask him if his news organization will host their entire unedited footage on their website? It probably won’t be ALL footage from ALL camera angles, but it will certainly be more than we have now.

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  34. White Hat JD says:

    From the Panolian:
    A shocked community turned into a shocked region then nation as word spread of Jessica’s plight through social media and national news. Champion surmised that the nation seemed to take notice of the Panola County murder after becoming weary of constant news from incidents in Ferguson, Mo. and New York City and wanted something different on which to focus their attention.

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    • DeWalt says:

      This dude has some kind of disconnect.

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      • Alaskagurl says:

        Champion needs to stop being a damn politician and do his damn JOB! What would Champion do IF, Jessica had 100’s of protesters show up for her JUSTICE.

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      • LetJusticePrevail" says:

        John Champion most definitely has a “disconnect”. In fact, he probably has several.

        And yes, his claim that the nation’s recent interest in the Jessica Chambers murder is most likely an attempt to denigrate the people (like us) who are doggedly pursuing every detail of the case, and coming dangerously (for him) close to uncovering some very sordid dealings within Panola County in general, and his department, in particular.

        But he IS right about one thing… I’m weary of hearing about the activities of, and “demands” from the BGI and Faux-Grievers who have been given a soapbox by the left-wing media.

        Did I say “weary”? Maybe I’m more angry, than weary. Me, and a LOT of people just like me.

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  35. manickernel says:

    Any motive for Teapooh and Tutor to combine to eliminate Jessica? I think Tutor’s FB post was an attempt at misdirection, however it backfired as it indicated knowledge of the crime.

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  36. beanpancakes says:

    This was posted In the last Jessica thread:

    Betty on December 24, 2014 at 10:03 am
    I sent a donation to Leah’s House and some one from Leah’s House sent a hand written thank-you note. I never mentioned it in comments here but I wanted to because the note felt like an invitation or a subtle request to ask about Jessica

    I’m not sure who might be the best party to make contact, but seems worth exploring

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      How did you make a donation, Betty?

      Just wondering because I would like to make one. Do you do it online?

      Or did you mail it in?

      Do they have a website?

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  37. Totally Domestic says:

    There is something in that interview with Mista Boone and Rachael Tutor that bugs me, I think it is the torment on Rachael’s face. She had texted Jessica 2 days before she was killed. They must have been communicating. Could Jessica have died trying to save Rachael from the thug life?

    Jessica in the pic at Leah’s house seems very happy and victorious. Perhaps she was
    communicating with her friend (we hung out together) Rachael to ditch the thug life like she had done,& to break free. Come to Christ etc.

    Mista Boone Vice Lord 4 life isn’t having any of that, because he feels the thug life is… 4 life.
    Confronts Jessica at M&M over it in the am.the week before her death. He was questioned about a “lover’s quarrel” perhaps caused
    by Jessica stirring up a desire in Rachael to leave. The last straw could have come from Jessica’s stated desire to write a book about her life.

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    • taqiyyologist says:

      T.D., that video haunts me, the look on her.

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    • manickernel says:

      I have a feeling Jessica and Tutor were not friends. I also strongly suspect Tutor’s post after Jessica’s death was an attempt to deflect suspicion from her as an enemy.

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      • taqiyyologist says:

        …or from her as someone who knows anything at all about this.

        Because, fear.

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        • manickernel says:

          Don’t be fooled. Notice she is the one that comes out with “lover’s quarrel.” Between those two (Mister and Tutor) she is the brains…. relatively speaking.

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    • harrypara says:

      It’s very possible, if Jessica was trying to maintain recovery in a 12 step program she would have been trying to help others.

      THE PROMISES

      The Promises, that are read in many A.A. Meetings can be found on page 83-84, of the Big Book, Alcoholics Anonymous.

      THE A.A. PROMISES

      If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are half way through. We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness. We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it. We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace. No matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our experience can benefit others. That feeling of uselessness and selfpity will disappear. We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows. Self-seeking will slip away. Our whole attitude and outlook upon life will change. Fear of people and of economic insecurity will leave us. We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle us. We will suddenly realize that God is doing for us what we could not do for ourselves.

      Are these extravagant promises? We think not. They are being fulfilled among us—sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. They will always materialize if we work for them.

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    • John Galt says:

      Rachael also made a weird post on FB about Jessica being “lured” to her death.

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    • olderglory says:

      I think Tutor said the texting was two days before she died. Which could mean Friday.

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  38. perfect beast says:

    Jessica was a little flower just beginning to bloom when her life was taken. I wonder how many more Jessica’s there are in that town/county and what, if anything, we can do to help them from meeting the same fate?

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      I wonder this, too. How many more Jessica’s are there in small rural towns throughout the country?

      People in big cities can usually get at least some degree of help from government agencies, NGO’s, charities, etc.

      People in small towns, not so much.

      Most donors to charity aren’t donating to battered women’s shelters in rural areas.

      These areas are desperately underserved.

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      • perfect beast says:

        Undoubtedly, throughout the country, the number of Jessica’s is more than we can bear. True, there are limited resources to those suffering in small towns. Hopelessness and depression set in. Especially those from broken homes. That feeling of “Is this what I have to look forward to my entire life?” And they wind up turning to gangs for want of acceptance. However the side effect of gang life is drugs and control and prostitution and sex trafficing etc. Jessica was on the way out of that cess pool. She was on the path to a better life. I’m sure she dreamed of marriage to a decent man and becoming a mother herself and raising a family. She was so close to being free when some (insert your own expletive. I have quite a few in mind but it probably wouldn’t be looked kindly upon to post them))) took those eventualities away from her.

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        • ShepherdDawg says:

          It is truly heartbreaking. She was SO CLOSE to being free!

          I wish she could have found a wonderful, kind, caring Christian husband who would respect her and treat her lovingly, and never hurt or abuse her.

          She went through so much pain for a 19 year old.

          The only thing that gives me solace is that she is home with Jesus now, safe and free.

          As Jesus said on the Cross, it is finished.

          “21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

          5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

          6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.”

          Revelation 21:1-7

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        • ShepherdDawg says:

          Perfect Beast, do you have an email address, or is it possible to send you a PM through the CTH website?

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          • perfect beast says:

            I have an email but I don’t really wanna put it up for display, if you know what I mean. Do you have a way that I can contact you? Maybe text you my email address?

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      • lorac says:

        People in big cities can usually get at least some degree of help from government agencies, NGO’s, charities, etc.

        People in small towns, not so much.

        Most poor people are white in the US, but think (generally speaking) how the racial demographics shake out between city and country…

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  39. Totally Domestic says:

    Trust me on this……people like Jessica, when they give their life to Christ and get the victory
    JUST CAN’T SHUT UP ABOUT IT.!!! see Joshua’s post Dec 24 at 5:40. click the link
    and listen to the testimonies about Leah’s house & how it is impacting women.

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  40. I had a real hard time believing it’s not two different guys in two different shirts, but on the video you can readily see the guy walk out the door of the store, and walk over to the pump by Jessica’s car with the gas can. The other angle shows him at the same spot in what looks like a shirt with bolder/wider white stripes.

    A possible explanation for this is that the darker backdrop of the second camera angle makes the white stripes stand out fatter and bolder, especially if the camera system resolution/contrast adjusts based on less available light.

    That would also be the case if the white stripes had some amount of reflective material in them which isn’t apparent in brighter-lit views such as inside the store and directly in front of the door, but makes the stripes stand out and sort of “glow” bigger when the available light hits them in the darker-backdrop frame showing him pumping the gas into the can, then walking off into the night.

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  41. angie says:

    1.The shirts are definitely different, so 2 different men.
    2. Could it be that there are 2 checkout stations? Maybe the woman had checked out and was chatting with the striped shirt guy?
    Also, I thought the chicken delivery woman was wearing a red hoodie, not a pink one. I could be wrong about the color but I always thought it was red.
    In order for there to be some kind of plan revolving around the store, someone would have had to know that Jessica was going for gasoline. As far as I’ve read to this point, her mother knew but I can’t imagine she would say anything. If Jessica. Made a call while driving to the store, others could have been given a heads up. How close to the store do the people in the car live? Other than that, it would be serendipity that the players would all be in place at the store.
    Maybe a plan was in place to murder Jessica. It just so happened that she showed up at the store and the killer was contacted by people who were at the store. Seems like a bad idea though for more than 1 or 2 people to know about a murderous plot.

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    • sidneyaneres says:

      Trying to judge colors on a computer monitor is useless. So many variables, in how the camera is working, and then how each persons monitor is set up. This changes so many things. Color judgement is a crap shoot, just like TV’s.

      The down conversion of the original to a more compressed format for the net.

      I could lecture on it, wait I have.

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      Most of the suspects live pretty close to the M & M store, and since the gangs seem to use it as a hang out spot, they may spend a lot of their time loitering in the store, or around it. Remember the photos of the back of the store with all the cars parked, and people standing around doing drugs or whatever?

      Additionally, she may have been lured to the store on some pretext.

      Or maybe the plan to kill her had already been formulated, and the main players were simply waiting until the next time she was spotted, and it happened to be at the M & M, which was their hang-out spot.

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      Angie, I also responded to your post about the cheerleaders on the other thread.

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      All of my questions about the “2 shirts” were answered by “VegasGuy” somewhere down below in this thread. I am now totally convinced that there was on;y ONE guy in the SAME striped shirt. Sorry for the distraction. But, the exercise DID manage to put this nagging question to rest, forever.

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  42. “Aunty Sha-Sha” when interviewed on TV was so firm in saying that Jessica had been at a party that evening, then left the party, and “that’s when it happened to her.” It would be good to drill down as to exactly how she knew this, if she in fact did know it?

    Aunty Sha-Sha says it here at 1:26:

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    • DeWalt says:

      The misspeak and correction speaks volumes.

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    • perfect beast says:

      I’ve wondered about the party thing. She was not dressed in a way that suggests she had come from or was going to a party. It just doesn’t fit that a 19 y/o girl would go to a party in camo PJ’s with her hair in a bun. At least not in the sense of what we think of as a party.

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      • olderglory says:

        Pajama party? She knows because she arranged it?

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        • olderglory says:

          I find it hard to believe Wilkerson was mistaken about a party. She had just spent two days with LE before the Tuesday television interview.

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          • LetJusticePrevail" says:

            What better way to make your parent believe that you were not planning to go out to meet someone, than to “dress down” for the occasion?

            I don’t think Jessica would have donned nice “duds” or troweled on a layer of make-up just to “get gas and clean her car”, and neither would Jessica’s Mom.Surely Jessica would realize this, and would have dressed in a manner consistent with her “story”.

            Trust me, I had a teen aged daughter, and they can be pretty “tricky” when it comes to this sort of thing. Extra clothes hidden in their car, or under the baggy clothes they wear on top. Easy-Peasy Japaneasy…

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      • kathyca says:

        she was dressed perfectly fine to “party.” Hang out, smoke some weed, etc., etc. I think a frame of reference is really important on this point and it seems that some don’t have a frame of reference for what a “party” can mean depending on the demographics. Not intended as an insult. Just something to keep in mind if you’ve never been a “party” girl in a small rural town.

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        • olderglory says:

          I think she was dressed appropriately for a quick “party” arranged by Wilkerson. I think that is why LE wanted to talk with Wilkerson on Sunday.

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          • White Hat JD says:

            Have you seen her dressed like this in any other picture? She is not dressed to party regardless of what the reference means.

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        • ShepherdDawg says:

          I don’t think she was interested in smoking weed or partying with the gangster crowd anymore.

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          • olderglory says:

            Agreed. But maybe she was interested in trying to convince a (former?) boyfriend to consider a different path?

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            • olderglory says:

              Or explain herself. My understanding is that exiting a gang is not without life-threatening challenges and requires explanation and permission. Wasn’t she attacked and choked the week before? She couldn’t run. Seems to me she could beg for permission to leave or, if that failed, seek protection from someone else. I cringe to think about her choices.

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            • White Hat JD says:

              If that were the case, would she have slept all day, as if depressed. No, she would be rocking and excited. I don’t think she was trying to convince anyone to leave yet.

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              • Jan says:

                As for Jessica staying in bed all day – I don’t imagine she had had time to make new friends. She only had the “friends” from her past that she wanted to get away from. She may have worked late the night before? Teens can literally sleep all day. If she had gotten choked a week prior, would you be out running around?

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          • kathyca says:

            I was responding to the idea that she wasn’t dressed to go “to a party.” If she was interested, she was dressed just fine. If she was not, she was dressed just fine, too. The point being that the fact she was in pj style bottoms doesn’t rule out the possibility that she hung out with people in a social setting that could be considered a “party” or “partying.” I’m keeping an open mind about what Jessica was up for. A month or two in a therapeutic environment is rarely enough to completely change someone’s habits. Especially if there’s drug use/addiction involved.

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            • Tom Fletcher says:

              This is a good point. She may very well have been down to go smoke a joint at the “party.” As much as I would love to believe that she was going to Leah’s, I am afraid it is honestly more likely that she may have simply been convinced under false pretenses to go to this party. At 19, it’s hard to see beyond the moment sometimes.

              Unfortunately, if in fact she was doing something she shouldn’t have been, it will lead to an upswell of the victim blaming I’ve seen elsewhere (but thankfully not here). I know I speak for many when I say that I’ll keep fighting for this no matter the circumstances that led to her being in the situation that took her life.

              Sorry for the tangent, it’s Christmas and I’m sentimental. Jessica Lane Chambers should be reading the story of the Nativity and helping her younger relatives leave cookies and milk for Santa.

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        • Lottacats says:

          Yes, kathyca, it’s the country out here. In the city, you wouldn’t go out like that. Sometimes you dress up, some kinds of parties, but it depends on where it is and what you’re looking for, like a decent single fella. Unfortunately, she never gave herself much of a chance to meet one. The black thugs attached to her like glue. Cheerleading brought her in contact with a majority of black players. Sigh
          Her particular neighborhood and the only store close did not help matters. IMO
          It’s not so much the county that sucks. I live in a different area, I like it, but I’m older, married and from the city originally. Living in the city, you never know all the neighbors on your block, here, you pretty much do…….and some people just suck, not the whole area.

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      • DeWalt says:

        Who ever started the P.J. pants thing is wrong. My daughter has those same pants. They are drawstring fleece pants, very warm and purchased at Walmart or Goodies.

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      • Jan says:

        It wasn’t a party in the sense you are thinking. Party as probably in just a group of folks getting together, and she may have just planned to run by and speak to folks and leave – not stay.

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  43. Please God al I ask is peace for tis girl and her family please God! I will not rest till she has that peace please!

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  44. DeWalt says:

    Was it established whether the Auntie Sha Sha call on Jessica’s phone was inbound or outbound?

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  45. DAR says:

    The news media are predominantly left and run stories with left themes, like white racism. They care not for facts: it’s all ideology. This has been so at least since the 60s.

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  46. LA says:

    I think stripe sweater guy(s) is one person because the gas can is shown in both pics of the person wearing a sweater with the large white stripes AND the thin white stripes. So probably just a weird camera angle/quality/pixelation…

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  47. the Department of Justice will vigorously pursue justice for every victim of racially-motivated violence,”

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2014/1215/Two-white-women-plead-guilty-in-hate-crimes-against-black-men

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  48. VegasGuy says:

    LJP…I’d like to add additinal data.

    Regarding #1) stripe shirt guy in store verses out of store. No question it is the same guy. You almost answer your own question when you state the male/ female are together in store & they leave together.

    #2) You almost have it correct. “Chicken runner” did just enter store. You assume that the door is still showing that it is closing. In fact, it is actually just being opened by the male in dark fur lined jacket & he is about to enter. He was 3 seconds behind “chicken runner” Time for sequence is 6:25:26 PM.

    Camera 2 6:25:23 Fur collar (dark) jacket enters the store from right after parking at distant end of store (near “motel section”) & “greeting” another male at front of van. In interior view (different video) he is seen entering store & stripe shirt / female are both at counter. No one enters prior to Jessica driving up & parking & fur lined dark jacket entering, so logically stripe shirt guy is already in store before Jessica arrives & parks, even prior to 6:24:18 when Jessica first drives in & circles to pump.

    #3) They walk in different directions……Correct. He goes directly to pump & she walks in direction of where Jessica went out of view. Review the video & watch her closely. She turns towards stripe shirt guy & appears to be speaking to him as she walks off. They do know each other & they were there together.

    Camera 2 6:26:08 / 2:40 Male / female exit store. Stripe shirt picks can up from next to door & walks to pump. Can was outside during purchase. Stripe shirt in store for a minimum of almost 2 minutes. Clear shots of interior of store @ 2:33 & 2:44 Being waited on by Black female. So he / they were there before Jessica even drove in & there for short time before fur collar dark jacket enters.

    I have analyzed 6 different videos. Some have time stamps that can be seen. Some can not be seen. Some have time stamps obscured by lower frame of video. So what I did was focus on specific individuals & tracked them throughout the 6 videos. Where 1 camera had the individual without a time stamp, another camera showed the individual with a time stamp (or it could be deduced). About 2 days worth of viewing almost frame by frame, with 30 pages worth of cross referenced notes.
    But it did provide an intact time line with better than 95% + accuracy & a clear sequence of the events regarding who did what, where, & when.

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    • Jan says:

      I believe it was Sandy Rudd that drove Brejuan to the store to get gas. They live next to one another or very near. Sandy is also who calls Jessica off video to ask for a “cigarette”. I don’t think she asked for a “cigarette”. She may have asked for a smoke, but it wasn’t a regular cigarette. Jessica told her no – jessica wanted to change.

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      • harrypara says:

        Prayers sent that God helps Law Enforcement find the people that committed this murder. Praying also for family and friends.

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    • zephyrbreeze says:

      That’s impressive.

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    • VegasGuy says:

      Let me add a couple more specifics to #10 Stripe shirt guy.

      Camera 2 6:25:28 / 0:26 Jessica exit’s & walks from the car Note that she takes almost a minute to exit car after parking. (IMO she is on a call & finishing up the conversation.)
      Camera 1 6:25:30 Jessica exits car & walks from car to mid lot
      Camera 2 6:25:35 Jessica called over diagonally to left of pumps
      Camera 2 6:25:46 / 0:41 Jessica walks out of view
      Camera 2 6:26:07 / 0:43 Stripe shirt with gas can & a female exit store together. Stripe shirt retrieves gas can which is outside door on ground.

      Camera 1 6:26:54 jumps forward (note different camera)- seconds missing between 6:26:00 & 6:26:54- jumps to stripe shirt crouched at pump. Only 36 actual seconds missing (17 seconds picked up on camera 2 in another view from another video) Combined, he is continuously at pump for 55 seconds.

      Camera 2 6:27:01 Male exits store heads to van parked left of JC car enters passenger side. Note – later fur hat exits store, enters the driver side as Jessica finishes pumping & van drives off with both inside.
      Camera 2 6:27:02 Jessica re-enters view
      Camera 2 6:27:04 / 3:59 Jessica stops & puts out cig
      Camera 2 6:27:09 stripe shirt finishes at pump & walks away from pump just to the right of her as she is bent over.

      No other “stripe shirt” ever enters view in either camera. No other person is at or about Jessicas car while it is unattended. No one else is stamding at any pump with gas can or other recepticle.
      Total time frame for Jessica at M&M is arrival @ 6:24:20 PM 7 departs @ 6:30:30 PM +/- 15 seconds for departure as no clear time stamp available.

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      • pspinach says:

        If Jessica was on the phone as she parked and prepared to exit car at 6:26 PM………we need to know WHO she was conversing with. It wasn’t her mother who talked to her at 6:48 PM.

        Ali mentions Jessica took a phone call (another) after she paid for her gas — which begs the question of did he hear the phone ring and was it an incoming call? This is assuming Ali witness to a phone call between the times of the supposed unknown 6:26 PM conversant and the 6:48 PM mother phone chat.

        It appears then that there were two possible phone calls to other people other than to her mother before 6:48 PM where Jessica then informs her that she is going to now clean her car and grab a bite to eat. According to your analysis of the video, she had already left the M&M gas station and was on her way by 6:30 PM. She either called her mother while on her way to her destination away further from home or of course, her mother called in and intercepted her while she was driving away.

        Does it seem like she is in a hurry to get somewhere? Most of us are preoccupied and would make phone calls only while driving due to being eager to get to another destination. The possibility that Jessica stays in her car to talk to someone on the phone means this person is important to her, whilst the phone conversation to her mother ialready driving the car not top priority.

        Thanks, Vegas, for this new info about a possible phone convo while parked at gas station.

        It’s critical since it appears there was a change in Jessica’s plans and we need to find out why it changed from a simple gas fill up to travel in the opposite direction resulting in the horrendous outcome.

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        • VegasGuy says:

          You are honing in on the theory I have.

          “It’s critical since it appears there was a change in Jessica’s plans and we need to find out why it changed from a simple gas fill up to travel in the opposite direction resulting in the horrendous outcome.”

          I believe that Jessica was going on a relatively short join up with someone. The story she gave her mother was gas, clean car & eat, then return. I’m starting to think that between leaving home & arriving at M&M, she spoke with the party she was to meet & the meeting location changed.

          That may have required a bit more gas to compensate for maybe a 40+/_ round trip verses a local stop. Knowing the time frame to return home would now be longer, she phones Mom & informs her. The call to Mom had to be while she was still driving as it is unlikely that the perps would have allowed her to have contact if they were present,
          So if she calls at about 6:48PM & is still driving, she has travelled about 14 – 18 miles based on county rural road speed of 45 – 50 MPH, after 18 minutes.

          Whatever distance she did travel would have to be duplicated in the reverse direction to get her back to the crime scene. So that would account for perhaps a 40 to 45 minute round trip, and gets the time frame at the crime scene to maybe 7:15 pm. Still almost 1 hour unaccounted for. So she could have driven further. Or the “meeting” lasted almost 1 hour.

          The question remains….how far did dhe travel for this meeting & who was it with?

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          • pspinach says:

            I wrote my post below, before catching your time analysis. Good data points on the time traveled. The Bibb House was only .3 miles. I’ll have to find again the distance to the birthday party. Jessica could have stopped and picked Travo up first accounting for lost time until 6:48 PM whereby she then has to call her mother to inform her she is not coming home right away. Then both she and Travo went up together to the party. This is where she is supposedly going to get a bite to eat, right? There is nowhere else that way for food.

            She may have originally gassed up more than usual because she was planning to visit Leah House on Sunday, the next day, if not Dec 6th. The reason for her getting gas one day early was an excuse to get out of the house and contact Travo, which if he was abusive, was disallowed by her mother.

            The time frame you put forth for round trip, actual time of the crime, and unaccounted hour, is definitely worth expounding. Very informative. A whole boat load of us Treepers are now seeing and these exercises are worth every penny.

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          • LetJusticePrevail" says:

            I assume that her mother arrived at the “6:48” time for Jessica’s call by looking at her own phone to retrieve the call time. Her mother also said that she was on the phone with Jessica for “about 20 minutes”, right?

            OK, here’s a question for you:

            Would her Mom’s phone display the time that Jessica actually called her, or would it display the time that the call ended?

            I really don’t know. Do all carriers display the time that the call “connects”, or the time it “terminates”? Do ALL carriers do it the same way? And, does it display the same way for the person who “receives” the call as it does for the person who “places” the call? Again, I really don’t know the answers to those questions.

            Anyone care to chime in here?

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            • VegasGuy says:

              If your theory of Mom pulling up the inbound call to see what time it came in is correct, then yes. Clicking on a previous inbound call will show the time it connected- not the time it ended.

              Also, 6:48 PM is, at the same time, a specific time verses an odd guess, So I would agree that Mom pulled up previous inbound calls & obtained the correct time for the call.And Mom’s phone would automatically be adjusted for DST.

              Now the question is did Jessica call 15 minutes after leaving M&M, thereby making DSTactually in effect (Ali lying?) for the store surveillance system, & the time stamps correct, or did she call 1 hour & 15 minutes after leaving?

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          • ShepherdDawg says:

            Great insights, VegasGuy and pspinach.

            Do we know whether Jessica told her mom before leaving the house that she was going to get gas AND clean her car?

            Or did she tell her mom that she was going to get gas before leaving the house, and then LATER, on the phone at some point, add the part about cleaning the car?

            If the latter, then she could have intended to simply get gas and go home, but after finding out about the “party” (possibly being threatened/pressured into attending?), she may have called her mother and mentioned “cleaning her car” as an excuse to be out longer.

            Perhaps she was intending to meet with members of the gang one final time to tell them “I’m DONE.”

            And when they heard that, that might have been the impetus to kill her.

            Maybe they felt “dissed” that their formerly submissive “white b****” was standing up for herself and telling them “no!”

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            • pspinach says:

              Apologies for the delay. As far as I know, I haven’t read the reasons given by Jessica to her mother upon first leaving the house to head for M&M. I do recall reading in the first news launch about Jessica’s demise that her mother stated bewilderment at what happened having talked to Jessica at around 6:48 PM re: cleaning car and getting bite to eat.

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      • LetJusticePrevail" says:

        Well, I just spent about 8 hours duplicating your work, and I concur with your logic, even if I disagree about a second or two with a couple of your time marks. But the discrepancies are very minor, and really insignificant.

        Although the appearance of the shirt (as seen in the video taken inside the store, versus the video from the camera at the north end of the lot) IS quite different, I now believe it’s the same person, wearing the same shirt.

        What was compounding the problem (other than the appearance of the shirt) was a problem with the timestamp for the “Striped Shirt Guy” while he was INSIDE the store. The timestamp in the pic that I screencapped just doesn’t fit with the rest of his timeline.

        I went crazy trying to piece it together with screencaps to prove that the timestamp made it impossible for this to be the same guy. And it turned out I was right, but not in the way that I expected.

        Watch the segment of this video (not sure if it’s the same one you used) that shows the “Striped Shirt Guy” inside the store. But pay attention to the timestamp of that segment startimg at about the 2:42 mark as the as reporter rambles on, and the investigator scrolls the video back and forth to review the “SSG” at the counter. See what happens to the timestamp? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Even though they back it up and replay that segment of the video a couple of times, the timestamp DOESN’T CHANGE, even though at least one guy enters the store, which means this particular segment of that video is worthless to use to establish a precise timeline of when the “SSG” was inside the store.

        Can you imagine just how pissed off I am right now?I just spent almost ALL of the night (which just so happens to be Christmas Eve) trying to figure something out, just because of a timestamp that isn’t correct.

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        • pspinach says:

          I for one appreciated your overtime work on this case. Along with my Christmas treats, I consider every valuable morsel on this case a treat closer to defining what happened. We’ll go in the wrong way inevitably as part of the process, but Treepers will bring everything back in line — something I trust in, like I do Providence. Cheers for Christmas!

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      I agree with you, mostly. But want to point out something about the video timestamp in the pic I screencapped. It most definitely is NOT 06;25:26 which I explain in the description below this rendition, and again in another, lengthier reply I made in a separate comment. YOUR timeline is correct, but the Timestamp in this pic is wrong.

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      • VegasGuy says:

        LJP…..the time of 6:25:26 is correct.

        Allow me to point out one item & then I believe we will be on the same page…..
        The time that you are highlighting above is the outter range of the playback. It is user defined. If you look just left of the time you highlight, you see an arrow pointing right. If you go further t the left, you see an arrow pointing left.

        The right arrow adjusts the “start” time to view & the “left” arrow adjusts the “end” time to view.

        From that you can see that the “viewing portion” has been set to playback from 6:00:00PM to 6:29;:59 PM. A specific 1/2 hour. Obviously, 6:2 5:26PM falls within this time rangs.

        The actual “Time Stamp” of the specific footage is below the range set time & is out of view in your screen shot.

        That sould clarify it (Time sSamp verses Range set) & you should now agree with my time line…….

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        • VegasGuy says:

          Let me “correct something I flip flopped…….
          .”The right arrow adjusts the “start” time to view & the “left” arrow adjusts the “end” time to view.”

          Should read …..”the LEFTarrow adjusts the start time to view & the the RIGHT arrow adusts the end tme toview….

          Sorry…it’s early……..LOL

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          • coeurdaleneman says:

            Ah so!!

            I measured the horizontal bar at the very bottom of the screen between “6:00:00” and (assumed) “6:29:59” as you speculated. On my screen, it was 3 3/32 inches approx. Then I measured the portion of the bar from its left end to the indicator (just below the magnifying glass icon): 2 19/32 inches approx.

            Dividing the smaller number by the larger one yielded 25 minutes and 10 seconds, close enough to 25:26 if one takes into account my measuring accuracy.

            So 6:25:26 it is.

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            • coeurdaleneman says:

              (And so sorry about your 8 hours on Christmas eve, LJP 🙂 )

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              • VegasGuy says:

                Cut LJP some slack……In a Magic act, people are often amazed by an illusion, not by what they see, but what they do not see……

                I too sympathise with the 8 hours.

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                • LetJusticePrevail" says:

                  LOL thanks for that!

                  I should have known better since I’ve had the occasion to work with these systems before, and have even previously (weeks ago) mentioned that the DVRs usually store the videos in 30 minute increments for retrieval. (At least, the systems I have used did it this way)

                  I totally agreed with your time estimate of 06:25:26, but had been “cornfused” by what appeared to be a Timestamp, yet was not at “Timestamp” at all, as you so kindly pointed out.

                  Here’s some GOOD things that came from the confusion, and added work, though:

                  1) Most of the “missing” 54 secs from the North camera have been accounted for by “splicing in” the footage from the South camera. Between the 2 views shown in that one video, only 11 seconds are missing (another video somewhere likely has the footage from even those 11 seconds but I’m not going to look for it right now)

                  2) I now know that it was neither the “Striped Shirt Guy” NOR the “Blue+White Jacket Lady” who called to Jessica at 06:25:39, since they were STILL inside the store until they were seen exiting at 06:26:10. Which means the woman who claimed she asked Jessica for a cigarette is NOT the “B+WJL”.

                  3) I also now know that the “SSG” did NOT speak to Jessica at all, since he was STILL at the pumps when she re-entered the camera range at 06:27:02

                  4) And, the “B+WJL” had at most 48 seconds to talk to Jessica (if any at all) since the “B+WJL” doesn’t leave the camera range until 06:26:14, and Jessica is back in camera range (and not talking to anyone) by 06:27:02.

                  5) And, the person who claims she asked for the cigarette only had at most 1 minute and 16 seconds to talk to Jessica out of camera range, between when Jessica walked from view at 06:25:46, and when she re-entered view at 06:27:02.

                  Now, in an attempt to “get the facts straight”, I have to ask if I have correctly identified these 3 people?

                  Cigarette begger= Sandy Rudd—(used last name “Market: when interviewed)

                  “Striped Shirt Guy”= Bejuan “DreadHead” Byers (Lives with Sandy Rudd’s sister, Teanna “Teahpooh” Rudd)
                  .
                  “Blue+White Jacket Lady”= KeshalovinDiddy Ivy (In relationship with Perry Rudd, who is Brother of both Teanna and Sandy Rudd.

                  Do I have the right people in the right spots?

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                • VegasGuy says:

                  I have not been scrutinizing the players as much as the vids. But, from posts & interviews over the last couple weeks, I believe you have the right players in the right roles.

                  Perhaps some other posters might want to add or clarify if there is a discrepency.

                  Regading the points made in your post…I pretty much agree. The 54 second gap…I came up with all accounted but for 36 seconds & you have all accounted but for 11 seconds. Sounds like between us, we might have 1 different video that was analyzed.

                  But overall, I believe combined, we have the time line fairly well covered & the players ID’ed.

                  Well…that was fun….

                  I originally had not done my analysis for “publication”, so the second or 2 differences you noticed were my own determination of when I decided to “fat finger” the freeze button.

                  I finally tossed it out there because of the “2” SSG theory, which I was certain was incorrect. Better we discussed & resolved rather that having days of posts continuously going back to “look” at it.

                  It got to the point, after watching them so many times, that I started to know which vid to go to & how far into it to search……LOL

                  And thanks for duplicating the work…. That gave it a tad more credibility……

                  Good job….unfortunately, I peaked your interest on X_MAS Eve.

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        • LetJusticePrevail" says:

          Ahhh you are 100% correct about that! The display at the bottom right IS the end of the half hour “segment” that they are viewing, and NOT the “Timestamp” for the particular moment currently on display on the screen.

          I should have realized it right away, since I’ve had experience with similar systems. DOH!

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          • VegasGuy says:

            LOL…..at least now we both have compatible time frames for the M&M stop for future discussion. And the “2” stripe shirt guys theory is resolved.
            Progress, none the less…….

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