What is the Conservative Message? What’s your plan for meaning in your life?

From Bill Whittle:

Some new ideas I’ve been working on from the Freedom Center Restoration Weekend of a few weeks ago. Full transcript here:
https://www.billwhittle.com/speaking/restoration-weekend-2014

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31 Responses to What is the Conservative Message? What’s your plan for meaning in your life?

  1. stella says:

    If you don’t have a plan, you can’t succeed. If you don’t know where you’re going, you’ll probably end up somewhere else.

    It’s true for each of us, and it’s true for political movements. And it’s important for us, as conservatives, to tell the truth to the American people: You can probably accomplish whatever it is that you want to accomplish, if you have a goal, and a plan, and are willing to work for it.

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  2. True Colors says:

    One simple message that conservative leaders should be harping on.

    “Equality of opportunity, not opportunity of outcome.”

    Everyone gets to try out for the team. Not everyone gets treated like Lebron James.

    TC

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    • stella says:

      I agree with what you say, but it is important that the Conservative message be a positive, aspirational one. Don’t tell someone – we’re taking stuff away from you. Tell them that they can succeed beyond their wildest dreams if they have a plan and are willing to work for it. Carrots always work better than sticks.

      Not everyone can be Lebron James, but some can be coaches, or trainers. Goals must be attainable, or they are just more “hope and change”, lottery ticket goals.

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  3. True Colors says:

    I definitely agree with the inspirational point of view.

    You have to be selling something positive that people will want to buy into. It needs to be a message of hope.

    hope =/= guarantee.

    That does need to be included with the message.

    No society in the history of the world has ever been able to guarantee equality of outcome. The harder you try the worse you fail.

    TC

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  4. David says:

    Although I generally like Bill Whittle this was not one of his better speeches. For one Jefferson changed property to the pursuit of happiness because of the opposition that existed to slavery. Slaves were considered property and those that opposed slavery did not want slavers to claim that slaves were a constitutional right. Replacing property with the pursuit of happiness is not only meaningless (after all you could “pursue” happiness even if you were in hell) it was by far the greatest mistake the founding fathers ever made.

    In order for a right to have meaning it must be something that can be taken away. Its impossible to take away your pursuit of happiness, hence it is meaningless. Our God given right to life, freedom and property exist but only by choosing to defend them do we show our allegiance to God. If you lack the courage to stand up for these rights then you don’t fear God and have chosen another master. If you lack the courage to stand up for these rights you will be made a slave.

    The ownership of property is inseparable from liberty as they are both based on being freed from debt. Classical Slavers didn’t own slaves but made them into their investments by denying them the ownership of what was rightfully there’s; the most basic PROPERTY we have and that is our physical self. Slavery is always the result of the rightful owner being denied their ownership by another, group of government. Slavery is the result of what belongs to you being forced into the investment of another. By refusing to recognize our right to acquire the true ownership of property as a God given right in the constitution we have ended up with a society of comfortable slaves and there is no greater threat to liberty than comfortable slavery.

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    • stella says:

      Okay, as far as it goes. That’s not what the speech was about, really.

      What do you think about the future of conservatism, and what the message should be for 2016?

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    • stella says:

      Also, there is amendment 5:

      Amendment 5
      Protection of Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property

      No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.

      ADD: Your explanation of the “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” is only one of several. Bill’s is as correct as yours.

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    • 7delta says:

      I don’t disagree with your points, David, but I also think Whittle is making a valid point. It’s true that Jefferson changed the phrase from property to pursuit of happiness at the urging of Franklin and John Adams for the very reason you stated. However, the words they did choose held meaning for them or they would not have been used. The founders were all classically educated and very aware of each and every word they placed into documents. Madison lamented toward the end of his life that courts and politicians were already changing the meanings of words in the Constitution to more modern definitions. The words they chose were chosen specifically to be rooted in their classical definitions and to express man’s natural rights.

      Pursuit of happiness didn’t negate the importance of property ownership. It bolstered and broadened the definition of man’s rights in terms that didn’t jeopardize the end of slavery they sought, but still included all forms of property. It’s about the freedom of choice too, which was quite a significant issue for them since they didn’t have any representation in Parliament. They were Free Englishmen and they had choices, but those choices were denied when they were silenced and subjected to a tyrannical government that heard only its own voice and pursued its own happiness.

      The pursuit of happiness covers a lot of territory, not just physical property. It reaches everyone’s unalienable, God-given natural right to pursue all sorts of real, intellectual, emotionally satisfying and physical being ownership, as you noted, as long as that person doesn’t infringe on another’s right to do the same…so, ya know, you don’t any right to lie, cheat or steal your way to your happiness. It’s valuable because you worked for it, made it work and are the rightful owner of it, whether its a book, an invention, an idea or a farm…or if you choose to sit like a toadstool and stare at the flies in your personal bog. It’s yours because you chose the property or properties that you wanted, not what someone else said you could use until they decided to take it away from you. You cannot pursue happiness or property when someone else decides what meaning your life has. That, indeed, is slavery or serfdom. We have to get people to think in these terms to end the slavery you’re talking about.

      I think Whittle’s right. Even though he didn’t delve into the slavery issue, his argument doesn’t ignore the importance of rightful ownership of property. IMO. He simply addressed the issue from the words that are in the DoI and how that’s a positive goal for everyone. Opportunity, without government interfering in your right to choose what properties you can pursue, rightfully belongs to every person willing to pursue it through the failures and successes. It already belongs to us. That right is our property. When we claim it and refuse to relinquish it, government cannot control independent people who refuse to be their slaves.

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  5. David says:

    The 5th amendment as far as property rights go has been rendered meaningless and people are routinely denied due process when in comes to “suspected” use of property for criminal activity . Further more the 5th amendment fails to define the ownership of property nor does the constitution. Until it is acknowledged by government and the courts that ownership means you are freed form debt and the people are allowed to own what should be their homes we will always end up as slaves.

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    • stella says:

      Fine. My point is that property rights ARE addressed in the Constitution. Whether or not we still have property rights is another issue having nothing to do with my original post. Franklin actually did not want property rights in the original “Life, liberty …….” is because of his desire to tax property. So there you are. Let’s discuss that at another time.

      Now. What are your thoughts on the main points of this post – conservative message.

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  6. doodahdaze says:

    The truth has no agenda. Searching for it is a good calling I think. Finding it leads to conflict with evil forces such as Obama and the BGI. So be it.

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  7. John Denney says:

    My Dad used to see me as a teenager laying around the house reading comic books, and he’d get all disgusted and say, “Make yourself useful!”
    It was really annoying at the time, but in hindsight, it is really good advice.
    At one time in Iowa, I worked as a Yamaha mechanic, and aspired to one day be a master motorcycle mechanic and make eight or maybe even ten dollars an hour.
    Then it snowed and I got laid off. Being broke and cold sucked, so I moved to warmer climes with a few clothes, a few kitchen things, my toolbox, and a guitar. It was the off-season there, too, and I survived because a friend from mechanic school and his wife let me stay with them, where I did cooking and cleaning, shopping, errands, and helped with the vehicle maintenance. A guy on the block had an old Triumph motorcycle with an electrical problem no one could fix, so I had a look at it and had it fixed and running in less than an hour. Word went out that there was a genius on the block. 🙂
    Upstairs neighbor heard about it and asked how I did it. I had learned electronics in the military. He worked for a computer company that needed my skills, so I soon worked for them, even though I had never even seen a computer before except in the movies.
    Over the years, I learned computers literally from the inside out, from the hardware, to the microcode, to software, to application programming. I’m a senior software engineer now, highly regarded by my peers and management, even though I have no degree.
    When I was a Boy Scout, the motto was, “Be Prepared”.
    When I was in the U.S. Coast Guard, the motto was, “Semper Paratus” (“Always Prepared”).
    I’ve never had big plans, just a lot of little ones, mostly along the lines of, “I’m going to figure out how this works”, or “I’m going to figure out how to do such and so.”
    Nowadays, the Internet is a totally awesome resource. I just learned last week that one can “solder” two steel parts together using copper wire, flux, and a propane torch. To me, that’s a useful bit of knowledge.
    Bottom line: Life is a grand adventure, with new problems and challenges every day. Four things are indispensable:
    1) Can-do attitude
    2) Diligence
    3) Continuous learning
    4) Trustworthiness

    The secret ingredient that motivates all four is love for your fellow man.

    “Dude! Your motorcycle’s dead? Lemme see if I can fix it for ya.”

    I don’t even remember whether he paid me or not.

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  8. sloth1963 says:

    I found the speach quite motivating. Much like Mr. Denney, I caught heck from my parents for reading comics. I Didn’t confine my reading comics, though. I read just about everything. Science and Science fiction seemed the most interesting to me and decided early on that I’d like to pursue a career that was some how related. I took every science and math (computers were considered a math credit back then). I started college with a double degree in computer science and physics. I became disillusioned by the curriculum and dropped out. What was being offered was ancient history by the standards of the time. On the plus side I was exposed to DARPANET. I changed direction and joined the Army with an MOS in Telecom. I busted my azz for 6 years and came away with a skill set that was much needed in the civilian world. It’s been 30 years since I left the Army and I still don’t have a degree .( What I do have is career that suits my temperment and voracious appetite for learning. On the downside my kidneys failed 8 years ago and much of the time I used to use for research is now taken up by dialysys. Without a transplant I’m looking to explore other fields. Work hard. Treat people with respect. And ever stop looking abead.

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  9. jetstream says:

    America Grows Up
    Put away childish things, seek knowledge, learn true love
    Because without love we know nothing, we are nothing.
    See 1 Corinthians 13

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  10. TheLastDemocrat says:

    Conservative agenda? I hope you guys get it together. As a Constitutional Democrat, I have a fair amount of overlap with conservatives, and am being equally hurt by the one-party “two-party” entrenched system at the federal level.

    Mostly, just make sure to limit the powers of big business so the little guy can get a fair shake and big business does not buy its way out of accountability, and don’t fight to put prayer in school – I and others who teach Sunday school can handle that better than the public school system.

    Plus: when will an elected figure of either party simply point out the fact that a lot of current civics is Marxist ideology? -I think we are almost at the point where a democrat could whip up a lot of deep support pointing out that we have two forces on the liberal side that are essentially incompatible in the long run, and largely based on whether the Constitution is generally OK with you and whether you believe the U.S should be its own sovereign nation.

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    • John Denney says:

      The fundamental issue is not the Constitution, but the Declaration of Independence.

      An American believes each person is endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
      Americans unite to defend each person’s life, liberty, and property.

      Americans have a can-do attitude.
      Americans are diligent.
      Americans are always learning.
      Americans are trustworthy.
      Anyone can aspire to be an American.

      So, who is out there espousing these fundamentals, which seem to be completely lost on, say, the Ferguson rioters.

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    • 7delta says:

      Mostly, just make sure to limit the powers of big business so the little guy can get a fair shake and big business does not buy its way out of accountability

      The only way to do that is to hold the politicians accountable for corrupt deals with corporations, including laws presented as reigning in big business, but are written by lobbyist for those corporation to tax and regulate competition out of business, abolish the Federal Reserve and go back to a Constitutional monetary system with a precious metal standard. Corrupt politicians are the problem, not businesses, for the most part. Simple regulations and a true free market would work in most cases.

      As for prayer, it’s a state power to decide, not federal. The way the 1st Amendment is being interpreted now is in violation of the Constitution. Get the feds out of it. It should be community based, according to what they want. Instead of teaching kids that religious freedom means freedom from religion, we should be teaching respect for religious beliefs, atheism too, even if it disagrees with yours. Nobody has the right to take everyone else’s rights away because they might be emotionally scarred if they have to hear a prayer at a graduation of students and families that are 95% Christian or Jewish or whatever. Be scarred, if that’s your life’s goal, but do it on your own time. When you take away someone else’s right, you eliminate your own. Get the feds out of education and dictating how people exercise religion and their free expression thereof. That’s Constitutional.

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    • WeeWeed says:

      “Plus: when will an elected figure of either party simply point out the fact that a lot of current civics is Marxist ideology?”
      Trick question, LD – I don’t see it happening from either side.

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  11. jetstream says:

    A Conservative focus could be all about Rebuilding America’s Infrastructure:
    Water, Oil, Gas Pipelines
    Highways & Bridges
    Unified American Values including Liberty With Responsibility
    Common Language
    United, not divided, Peoples – The Melting Pot
    and most importantly, Constitutional Supremacy & Original Intent

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  12. jetstream says:

    We need positive alternatives to the One World Government agitators who use destructive chaos and anarchy to achieve their goal.
    Like this
    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/12/leftist_organizers_are_using_ferguson_to_rehearse_the_big_ugly_.html
    And this
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/12/feeling_the_full_force_of_cloward_and_piven.html

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  13. John Denney says:

    Politicians seem to be imbued with knee jerk reaction that requires them to control everything.

    For instance, in California they’re nearly apoplectic that people are using e-cigarettes with no laws in place to control them.

    Yeah, I suppose liberty is a dangerous thing, but if people can’t be trusted with liberty, how can they be entrusted with power?

    “Liberal” and “liberty” have the same root, but it seems liberals just want to take liberties with other people’s money. Aside from women having the liberty to kill their unborn, and gays having the liberty to marry, and pot smokers the liberty to smoke, they’re all about squashing liberty.

    Conservatives think you should be able to start the business of your choice with no red tape. As it is, there are so many rules and regulations that it takes a genius to successfully negotiate them, which is why the 1% (geniuses) are the ones doing really well.

    Senator George McGovern attempted to run a Bed and Breakfast after he retired, and failed, due in large part to laws he had championed.

    Conservatives want you to be free, want to roll back the red tape, but you must be responsible; you must not harm your fellow human beings, but rather, help them flourish and prosper.

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