10/21/14 Mike Brown Shooting – Open Discussion Thread

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144 Responses to 10/21/14 Mike Brown Shooting – Open Discussion Thread

  1. Gary says:


    We’ve covered this before a few weeks ago but I thought I’d illustrate it with a 3D mock-up of the shooting scene. In the Shotspotter analysis of the Glide audio, it was determined that the shots fired “were all taken from within a three-foot radius”. Which means that Darren Wilson could have moved forward or backward roughly 6 feet as he was shooting. Ejected shell casings can travel in a 12 foot radius in any direction. Since we know Brown and Wilson traveled from the SUV to the spot of the shooting we can assume they traveled in a straight line down the center of the road. If 3 circles with a 12 foot radius is drawn around the placement of each cone we have an area of roughly 6 feet in which Wilson could have moved while shooting. It also happens to be the spot where Brown fell after he was shot. How else could Wilson have fired in that area if he wasn’t retreating as Brown was advancing?

    Also, it’s next to impossible that Wilson could have shot at Brown as he fled.

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    • nyetneetot says:

      Can you redo the graphics with the characters and images from Nintendo 64’s “Mario Cart”? Wilson as Mario of course.


    • MouseTheLuckyDog says:

      What software did you use?


      • Gary says:

        Sketchup. And I did nyetneetot’s suggestion about Mario Cart but it looks way too offensive. LOL


        • Mr. Izz says:

          For weeks I’ve thought about throwing this in Revit or 3DS Max (as an architectural designer, I need something to do at night while watching the loonies on live stream).

          Good on you! Looks great!


    • jason says:

      now that we know Brown was hit at the car, it makes sense why he stopped running without being shot (in the back). Injured and losing blood don’t make a good combo for distance running.

      Wilson reportedly walked up on Brown to a distance of 10-25 feet depending on witnesses. Of the ones we’ve heard in the media to date, we have James McKnight, Michael Brady, Construction workers (both) the new ‘grand jury’ witness and Law enforcement all saying Brown approached/stumbled/charged Wilson after he had turned and then fired.

      The construction workers and new witness also state Wilson had backed up and Brown still approached/stumbled/charged as the final shots were taken which appears to be in-line with the shell casings being found behind beside and in front of Brown’s final body position.

      We got sold on a story from an admitted liar (Dorian) and 2 willing accomplices who got paraded around in front of all the MSM for days on end. Regardless of the evidence that comes out… some will never be convinced this wasn’t a calculated cold blooded event. I guess the MSM got some good ratings out of it, Crumps and BGI got some donations to spread around and the class action suits will likely result in several others getting their go away money. The cities in STL, businesses and taxpayers are stuck with huge bills/reduced income. Officers are far less safe, with more convince that a cop approach could lead to their ‘execution’ so better to go out in a blaze of glory.

      I hope Dorian, Piaget and Tiffany (and Shahid) get raked over the coals, but will probably be championed as the ones who were brave enough to come forward and tell the truth about this obvious ‘racist’.

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      • CCG says:

        Where are the star witnesses now? They couldn’t wait to get their story to the media fast enough and the media couldn’t comply fast enough. Now that some solid evidence has been released, they are no where to be found. Wouldn’t their response to this evidence be important since the narrative which all the protests and commentaries is based on came directly from them.

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        • coeurdaleneman says:

          Yeah, no kidding. The silence from former blabbermouths is deafening. Funny that they all clammed up.


        • kc10lvr says:

          And they will probably never speak again! Better that way at the end of the day…their false words already caused enough to last this area a generation, or more, of grief! Wonder what they’ll tell their offspring!


      • Gary says:

        I wasn’t aware of McKnight and while looking him up I see there’s another guy who said Brown approached Wilson at a steady pace; Philip Walker. This case is a good example as to why the police need time to complete an investigation and unfortunately, sometimes they just can’t publicize everything. Imagine the stories Piaget, Tiffany, and Dorian could have come up with if they knew the facts before they told their ‘eyewitness accounts’.


      • stormyeyesc says:

        Speaking of MSM, I flipped past MSNBC this am and saw Brown’s picture. Foolishly, I stopped to hear what was being said. Suffice it to say, that Lawrence O’Donnell was off the rails nuts interpreting this last witness. Hard to listen to his illogical conclusions based on nonsense and no fact finding.


    • AghastInFL says:

      Your radius is much too large the shotspotter makes the total radius 3′, you appear to be showing a 6′ radius at each cone.
      The simple placement of the cones IF they be shell casings contradict and or invalidate either the shotspotter analysis or the Glide audio IMO.
      BTW- excellent representation.


    • AghastInFL says:

      Gary I like what you did with the available information, but I keep coming back to the sentence you quote in part, it says:
      “His experts were also able to confirm that the shots were all taken from within a three-foot radius – there was only one shooter and that person was not moving.”
      The shotspotter analysis specifically states the source was not moving over the entirety of the ten shots recorded. While that does not fit the reality of the situation, it is what it is.


      • Gary says:

        The 3 foot radius would be a circle around the gun. So the gun (and shooter) can move 3 feet in any direction for a total of 6 feet. The circle around the cones is the distance the shell casings can travel. A 12 foot radius means they can originate from 12 feet in any direction. But we know Wilson’s path so the casings can only come from that direction.

        The Shotspotter report says the shooter wasn’t moving while saying the shots originated from an area within a 3 foot radius. I assume the shooter can move in that space and still satisfy the Shotspotter analysis.


        • Chip Bennett says:

          The Shotspotter report says the shooter wasn’t moving while saying the shots originated from an area within a 3 foot radius. I assume the shooter can move in that space and still satisfy the Shotspotter analysis.

          And yet, the placement of the shell casings refutes that Wilson could have been standing still. The best evidence is the shell casing several feet behind Brown. Wilson had to have backtracked at least 12-15 feet while shooting, at a minimum.

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          • Chip Bennett says:

            And allow me to clarify that by saying that, given some reasonable assumptions, the placement of the shell casings does, in fact, inform about what happened. Unless Wilson was waving his gun around wildly, pointing and shooting in different directions, the ejection of the shell casings would be instructive.

            The scenario is one in which Brown is either standing still, facing Wilson, or else facing Wilson, and approaching him (depending on what you believe). However, in either case, Wilson would be pointing his gun in a given, consistent direction. Thus, the linear placement of the shell casings implies a linear movement of Wilson while firing those rounds.

            Based on shell casing placement, Brown was moving forward, and Wilson was moving backward, while Wilson was firing.

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        • AghastInFL says:

          I agree with you, especially “…at a minimum”, but technically this does not agree with the SS analysis indicating zero movement, or even within a 3’r ; I do realize my droning on over this point does no good to the narrative so I will drop it.


          • Gary says:

            I don’t really have a narrative to support or prove; just looking at all the data. I guess the point of the graphic is to show that whether you believe Wilson stood still or moved within a circle with a 3 foot radius, the placement of the cones doesn’t contradict the data. Wilson would either be standing still within the red zone or he can move within that red zone and still deposit shell casings in the area of the three cones.

            If you don’t have faith in the Shotspotter analysis, then the placement of the cones would support Wilson retreating for 10 or 12 feet as Chip points out.

            In all three scenarios, Brown falls to the pavement in that red zone which could only mean that Wilson had to move back out of the area before Wilson fell.

            None of the data supports the idea that Wilson fired at Brown as he fled. Especially, if you believe that Brown didn’t advance towards the officer after he turned around.


    • stormyeyesc says:

      IIRC, most witnesses said that the distance between Brown and Wilson when Brown finally went down was about 3-6 feet. That is eye to eye close.


    • sundance says:

      Gary, really exceptional work. Well done.

      You have mad puter skillz. 😀


    • justfactsplz says:

      Very nice.


  2. jason says:

    Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon will be in Ferguson Tuesday to announce an effort that seeks to address issues raised in the wake of the death of Michael Brown – the unarmed black teen killed by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson on August 9.


  3. maggiemoowho says:

    Some of the first accounts claimed that MB reached for something in his pockets. The NAACP president, Esther said MB reached for his cell phone, and Wilson thought he was reaching for a gun, (what cop wouldn’t think that), she also mentioned the robbery in an interview she gave Aug 9th. and even Dorians friend mentioned that the police thought MB had a gun and shot him.



  4. maggiemoowho says:

    Odds and ends tweets, first few nights of protests:



  5. justice099 says:

    The way that the administration in MO has been capitulating to the protesters, am I the only one that thinks they might really push this to a trial just to give them a “concession” and delay things a bit?

    I’ve got my spidey senses tingling that even though they know there is no way Wilson will go to prison, if they can give the appearance of ‘justice’ through a show trial. The wuss governor on down can then have some temporary calm (not likely) and perhaps avoid riots all together (again very unlikely.)

    They did it to GZ. Everything in my gut tells me they will do it to DW.


    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      You could be right, but there’s one difference between these two cases that might be a deciding factor. Since Wilson was an “on-duty officer” the City of Ferguson will now be shouldering the burden that was carried by the HOA in the Zimmerman case. And these folks are certain to know that their civil liabilities will skyrocket if Wilson is tried. IMO that gives the state/prosecutors a motivation (to not charge) that was not present in the Zimmerman case.


  6. jason says:

    some more details disclosed from reporter disclosin info he was given from the Fed investigators not much diff that what was in original stories but disclosure that there was ‘significant amount of blood in car, was blood in car, on gun, on wilson’ caught my attention. Suggests to me Brown took a bit to disengage/run, which doesn’t sound like a guy on the outside of the car trying to pull away.



  7. Chip Bennett says:

    The next bit trickles out:


    Money quote (and what I’ve been emphasizing all along), about Brown going from being unarmed to potentially armed the moment he went for Wilson’s firearm:

    “There was a struggle over the weapon. Law enforcement, we know that about half the officers killed every year with firearms are killed with their own,” he says. “So the fact that he didn’t have his own doesn’t mean there wasn’t a weapon there available that could be used in deadly force use.”


  8. Chip Bennett says:

    Nixon is making me nauseous with his first few sentences. He’s laying it on pretty thick.


    • Chip Bennett says:

      He’s impaneling a commission: the “Ferguson” Commission.


      What a perfectly liberal thing to do. If only we listen and talk about it, things will get better. puke


      • kc10lvr says:

        And when there is no indictment, we will sit and discuss it like civilized human beings…because facts are facts and we respect that! Yeah, right. This was the calm before the storm speech, IMO.

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      • benzy says:

        He’s doing what any self-respecting liberal Democrat would do. Form a commission, allocate several hundred thousand dollars for expenses and study the problem, then in eight or nine months, the commission will issue it’s findings which will promptly be totally ignored. Maybe he should name Senator Nasheed to head the commission and Antonio French and Shahid to assist her in distributing those funds appropriately. (Possibly he could name Nasheed’s predecessor to help since she was fined $250,000 for misuing campaign funds)


  9. stormyeyesc says:

    Because on Twitter, the peaceful protestors are outraged that he thinks “cops wives have a right to worry if their husband will come home at the end of the shift”. They want empathy and give none

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  10. jason says:

    ooh… it just got real

    Carry loaded gun while intoxicated is a felony (see post a little above this one)

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  11. stormyeyesc says:

    These protestors want to micro manage everything; media, police, DA,etc. while they can’t even manage themselves in a respectable manner

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  12. stormyeyesc says:

    Ahem……….which “witnesses” have not testified ya think?


  13. stormyeyesc says:

    If the protestors want to fix the system, they should also “EXPOSE” her lawlessness and call for her immediate arrest and ‘aggressive prosecution.’


  14. myopiafree says:



    So this thug, bloodied the officer, and then turned around an RUSHED this injured police officer, forcing him to shoot this charging thug.

    Well, we was, “un- armed”. What a joke is BGI, and the “followers’ of this lie created by a thief an robber.

    Thanks for the Grand Jury – which prevented the conviction of an honest officer, on the lies of a thief.


  15. kc10lvr says:

    Yay, Before Al arrives in Ferguson on 31 Oct, the fun starts on 28 Oct:

    “WE ARE COMING FOR JUSTICE! words of Min. Hashim Nzinga National Chairman of the New Black Panther Party!


    TIME: 6:00-10:00 PM…
    DATE: OCTOBER 28TH 2014
    WHERE: GREATER ST. MARK FAMILY CHURCH 9950 Glen Owen Dr Ferguson, Mo”

    I’d post the flyer but don’t know how to post pics. This was taken from Dacia Polks FB.

    Oh, and Mzzzz. Crenshaw is back up on FB as of 20hrs ago:
    “Hey facebook im
    Back in action.
    Somebody hmu.”


  16. stormyeyesc says:

    well, now we get the true agenda right from the horses mouth………..


  17. stormyeyesc says:

    Geesh, and I thought this was about Mike Brown……/s



  18. Moishe Pipik says:

    I think the “Front Page” website said it best.

    “This is not a conflict between Michael Brown and the police. It is a conflict between Michael Brown and a Ferguson Market worker.”

    And when the police retreated, the people of Ferguson moved in to finish the job that Michael Brown started, and looted and robbed all the stores in Ferguson.


  19. sundance says:

    Watch the first 4 minutes. 😀

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    • Wait, I thought it was whites oppressing blacks? lol, my god, this is unbelievable.

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      • LetJusticePrevail" says:

        If it wasn’t so completely hypocritical, it would be hilarious.

        Now, I get it that there’s only 3200 people in Pine Lawn, and that there were 17,000 tickets written there last year, but how many of those tickets were written to non-residents who commute through Pine Lawn? How many of those tickets, or the 23,000 warrants were written to outsiders who frequent the area? There might be more to this story than first meets the eye, as is often the case when reviewing raw statistics.

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        • It’s just so completely mind boggling. Do the Brown’s not realize their folly? Are black folks so willing to accept corruption merely to have a black face in power?

          I agree with you on the stats thing, once you stat digging in past the raw data the facts are often different. I started looking but it would actually take one reviewing every single ticket/warrant for address/race and situation, I don’t have the time and money for such an endeavor.


          • LetJusticePrevail" says:

            Agreed. I don’t believe the Brown’s ever bothered to “vet” Anthony Gray before they selected him to use his MO license to “front” for Crump and Parks, but they probably wouldn’t care if they saw the irony there. Much like the voters kept electing people like Jamillah Nasheed, Antonio French, Marion Berry, etc etc etc. They just don’t care about anything other than their immediate desires.

            And, in what you mentioned about the onerous nature of the task of digging through every single warrant and/or ticket, THIS is exactly how the BGI types in the DoJ have managed to establish the concept of “Disparate Impact”. The courts allowed them to make broad, sweeping claims based only on raw statistics, and wrongly placed the burden of proof on those who argue differently. Since when was it adequate to make an accusation, without providing proof of your argument? Whatever cases which were used to set precedent for “Disparate Impact” were either argued by incompetent lawyers or argued in front of biased/incompetent judges, or both.


        • Stinky-Inky says:

          A stretch of I70 runs through Pine Lawn, that could account for some of the the tickets. Also Natural Bridge runs through Pine Lawn. But still 17,000 tickets for a city with a population of 3200? Even if most of the tickets are from speed traps on Natural Bridge, not I70, that’s most likely affecting local populations in neighboring communities, in addition to Pine Lawn residents. Of course, the neighboring communities are predominantly black.


      • stormyeyesc says:

        Check this re: Pine Lawn. ‘It’s disturbin’……… LOL


    • stormyeyesc says:

      Oh the irony…………..the Twitterverse would love this……….


    • James F says:

      A real DOJ would be investigating this.


    • justice099 says:

      Little girl giggles


  20. jason says:


  21. sageladymj says:

    Believe it. There are places in North County I don’t drive through for precisely that reason. You should see the lines outside of the Berkeley city hall on Hanley on court nights. The amount of abuse the cities in NoCo heap on people is unreal as far as tickets and citations. They (protestors) do have that right and it’s no joke.

    Take a look at highway 70 in front of the airport. Cop cars lined up 20 deep and a guy in a motel room that’s permanently rented to them running radar. See this: http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Watch-your-speed-on-I-70-in-St-Louis-County-113880294.html
    Old article but they’re still out there.

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    • stormyeyesc says:

      Do the crime, pay the fine. We don’t pick and choose which laws we like individually. Want them changed? A legal process is in place.


      • sageladymj says:

        I agree, but their is a HUGE incentive to line their pockets with proceeds from these stops. Think confiscation. And, the citations from the cities go on for all kinds of piddly things with fines associated as well. When St. Ann or Charlack or any number of these muni’s spend all their time chasing speeders, their communities are over run with druggies and illegals.


    • Stinky-Inky says:

      Marlborough, Mo is notorious for speed traps on Watson Rd. between Webster and Shrewsbury. Has been for years. Practically have to ride your brake through that stretch of Route 66. But all the locals know that.

      So if all the locals know about Pine Lawn, why are they still getting caught?


      • sageladymj says:

        My bet is they speed. I ride my brake on a couple of hills around that have them sitting at the bottom waiting. I have no clue why they keep getting tickets unless it’s driving w/ a suspended lisc. or no insurance and the cops know them and their situation.


  22. stormyeyesc says:

    This is a very long read but trust me, it is well worth it. It is written by a cop to one of the older protesters who, when confronted by the fact that many of the protestor’s motives are nefarious, used the “that’s them….not us” argument. This article is so profound and insightful, I had to read it twice, and I will never forget it. EVER



  23. stormyeyesc says:


  24. AghastInFL says:

    I am not, have not and never will advance a MB agenda and I certainly never intended to imply you were moving a personal ‘narrative’, rather, I refer to the collective thoughtful research of the CTH in general terms not wishing to muddy those farther with my personal views.
    The issue for me Gary is / was simple, I place zero credence in the Glide recording (from Crump&Co) or the Shotspotter analysis of same, to me neither fit the scenario or scene. JMHO.

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    • stormyeyesc says:

      Only the evidence is evidence. There is only one real truth.
      “The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.”
      ― Gloria Steinem
      Aldous Huxley
      “Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”
      ― Aldous Huxley, Complete Essays 2, 1926-29
      “In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
      ― George Orwell


    • Gary says:

      I didn’t mean to suggest you were trying to advance an agenda. I don’t mind questioning of the data at all. Questions help to make sense of everything. Even if you discount the audio (and you would have to disregard the Shotspotter report as well) then you would still be left with this:

      The small red line is 6’4″ from the spot of Brown’s foot (where Brown’s head came to rest when he fell).

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      • oldiadguy says:

        Great work Gary! I have one suggestion though. Even though the orange traffic cones are all we have to indicate locations of evidence, I wouldn’t get locked in on just the traffic cones locations as there were numbered evidence markers used at the scene. I believe the highest number on the markers we saw was 17 or 18, however, there may have been more. (As luck would have it I can’t find the video) That could well mean there are other shell casings as well as other evidence to be accounted for.

        Cap 1
        Sliders 2
        Bracelet 1
        Shell casings in SUV 2
        Cigars ?
        Other shell casings ?
        Other evidence ?

        We can account for 6 pieces of evidence in or near the SUV and three other items near MB’s body. There should be more shell casings, the question is where.

        The odd thing about this incident is that there were no photos of those evidence markers. Those are favorites shots for the local news folks, yet there are no photos made public showing those markers. Very strange, had they been posted, this whole thing might have turned out differently.

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        • Gary says:

          This very true. The cones themselves aren’t very accurate at all since they’re only meant to keep people from trampling through the area where items were found by police officers securing the scene. The investigators would place the markers. The evidence markers would be much more accurate.

          The biggest thing for me is the distance bewteen the SUV and the shooting where only one cone marking the location of a slider can be found. Many of the ‘media witnesses’ described Wilson shooting once he left the SUV. It’s still possible that an investigator found a casing somewhere in that space but if not, it’s a long way to run without shooting.


        • Gary says:

          ‘There should be more shell casings, the question is where.’

          It’s possible that all 10 shell casings are in the area of the three cones. The cones aren’t meant to mark the location of individual items of evidence, they just keep people from walking through the area.

          There’s also the second SUV that drove through the scene right after the shooting. It parked midway between the SUV and the shooting. It may have been parked on top of evidence or even disturbed evidence as it drove to that spot.

          There’s still a lot of unknowns.


  25. Moishe Pipik says:

    NPR Story “Unrest in Ferguson may speed decline of Real Estate prices”



  26. sundaybu says:

    In case anyone’s interested, Ferguson group speaking to Chief Belmar after meeting now on this livestream http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ferguson-st-louis-live-video-stream/


  27. anniemae says:

    Anyone notice the pic of MB on CNN under the “Justice” tab? It is a graduation pic (I presume), but it bugs me every time I see it.

    Look at his expression in the picture. It looks like it was taken at the graduation ceremony. Does he look happy? proud? NO! He looks irritated, annoyed, or even angry.

    I also assume that the family provided the pic, so they didn’t have one of him smiling at his graduation? I don’t know why it bothers me but I just find it sad.

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  28. kinthenorthwest says:

    Looks like Nixon might be preparing for the worse, and trying to KI$$ some of the protestors BUTTS..(Snippet)
    Nixon creating group to address Ferguson issues
    FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — An independent commission will be created to study issues that have surfaced since the fatal police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon said Tuesday.
    Nixon, who has been criticized by some residents and activists who say he hasn’t done enough to address the unrest in the St. Louis suburb, said the Ferguson Commission will examine the social and economic conditions underscored by the weeks of protests following the shooting


  29. beth60497 says:

    Here is his speech::::

    October 21, 2014

    Good afternoon.

    I’d like to thank Florissant Valley, and the many elected officials, educators, business and civic leaders joining us today.

    Throughout the history of our nation, we have struggled to treat all our citizens as equals. The same has been said of our democratic institutions and the men and women entrusted with their stewardship.

    Too often we have fallen short of the guiding principles on which our great democracy was founded. For too many, the promise of “unalienable rights” of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” rings hollow.

    In the small Missouri town where I grew up, the railroad tracks were the racial dividing line: whites on one side, blacks on the other. Separate and unequal. It was the way things were.

    Thankfully, we have come some distance since those days. But the journey is not over in 2014. The protests set in motion by the events of August 9 in Ferguson echo others within our lifetime.

    Across the decades, those protests have been a cry from the heart, heard and felt around the nation and around the world. A cry for justice. A cry for change in the schoolhouse and the courthouse. A cry for change in the social and economic conditions that impede prosperity, equality, and safety for all of us.

    When there has been a clear vision of a better future, and a well-marked path for progress, protests have yielded lasting change. When there is only rage and despair, anguish and chaos follow.

    Recently, one of the young Ferguson protesters said to an older protester, this is not your parents’ civil rights demonstration. He wasn’t wrong.

    The torch has been passed to the next generation to continue the unfinished work of creating a more just and equal society. The passion and energy of the young have been, and continue to be, a driving force in solving the shared problems we face.

    And they are shared problems.

    I think of the mother of an African-American teenager, as she kisses him goodbye each morning, hands him his backpack and watches him head off to school, knowing that he might never come home again. She lives with that fear every day.

    I think about the wife of a cop, as she kisses her husband goodbye, hands him a cup of coffee and watches him drive off to work, knowing he might never come home again. She lives with that fear every day.

    That is the world we live in.

    Too much violence. Too little hope.

    Too much fear. Too little trust.

    But as the smoke clears and the shouting dies down, the question that lingers in the air is this:

    What now?

    What will we do in this moment, while the whole world is watching?

    What will we do to move forward after 73 days of civil unrest?

    How do we move on from shouting past one another in the streets, on the Internet and the evening news?

    Some people would tell you that the choice is one thing or the other: Trust or force. Speech or silence. Black or white.

    It is far more complicated than that. Legitimate issues have been raised by thoughtful voices on all sides. Shouting past one another will not move us to where we need to go.

    Outsiders eager to grab the national spotlight and push their own agendas do not have the best interests of this community, this state or this nation at heart.

    We need to solve these problems ourselves, we need to solve them together, and we need to act now.

    That is why today I am announcing the creation of the Ferguson Commission.

    I am asking for your help in identifying individuals in this region to serve on this commission. I plan to announce those selected early next month.

    My fervent hope – and my belief – is that we will find thoughtful people from every walk of life, ordinary citizens as well as empowered leaders in business, education, public safety and our faith communities, who are willing to serve their state when it needs them most.

    My charge to the Commission through Executive Order will be three-fold:

    1. First, to conduct a thorough, wide-ranging and unflinching study of the social and economic conditions underscored by the unrest in the wake of the death of Michael Brown;
    2. Second, to tap the expertise needed to address the concerns identified by the Commission – from poverty and education, to governance and law enforcement;

    3. And third, to offer specific recommendations for making this region a stronger, fairer place for everyone to live.

    The men and women selected to serve on this commission must be willing to come together in good faith, endure the fierce crucible of public opinion, and lead the hard work of change.

    They must be willing to talk candidly and openly, and – more importantly – to listen to what those on every side have to say. These are difficult conversations that for far too long have been avoided or ignored.

    This work is not for the faint of heart.

    Make no mistake: there will be anger and conflict, fear and distrust. The enemies of change will not easily yield to reasoned voices calling for a stronger, more united region.

    But to move forward, we must transcend anger and fear. We must move past pain and disappointment.

    We must open our hearts and minds to what others have seen, what others have lived, and respect their truth.

    That is the challenge that lies before us. And I believe the good people of this region are eager to meet this challenge.

    Let me be clear: this is not an investigation into Michael Brown’s death, or the facts of what happened in the street that day.

    The responsibility for that investigation belongs to the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney, the grand jury, the FBI, the federal Department of Justice and the United States Attorney General.

    Whatever the outcome of their investigations, we must move forward together.

    More acts of violence and destruction like those we have experienced at times during the past 73 days will not be tolerated, and will only hurt the communities that have suffered the most at the very time they need restoration and healing.

    Our faith, our laws, and the principles on which our democracy was founded demand more of us.

    We must hold ourselves, and one another, accountable to the highest standards of personal responsibility and mutual respect.

    In the end, history will be our judge. But we are also being judged in the here and now. And the stakes are high.

    This is a defining moment that will determine whether this place will be known as a region marred by racial division and unrest, or a region that pulled together to rise above and heal.

    This region is the economic engine of our state. For decades, many of the people in this room – and thousands of others — have worked hard to make this region a thriving center of business innovation, cultural excellence, and scientific research. Its leaders are actively engaged in attracting the best and brightest talent from around the world.

    If we do not act – and act now – the damage could be severe and long-lasting.

    Our streets cannot be battlefields.

    Our neighbors must be free to lead their daily lives – to go to work, to church, to run a business – without fear. Our children must be able to walk to school and play in the park in safety. The wives of police officers and the mothers of teen-aged sons deserve peace of mind.

    If we want peace in our streets, we must work together to create a more just and equal society.

    What each of us believes in our heart-of-hearts must change as well. That is an exercise many of us undertake weekly – on our knees – in cathedrals and Kingdom Halls, temples and mosques.

    We are all flawed vessels, crudely cast in the mold of our maker.

    None of us alone can heal the broken world. But together, there is much we can accomplish.

    With your help and support, the Ferguson Commission will chart a new path forward, as we take the next steps toward healing and positive change.

    Let us seize this defining moment to show our nation – and our children — the true colors of courage.

    Together, I know we can do it.


  30. doodahdaze says:

    The democrats want to use Ferguson to incite the democrat Africans to go out and vote for them. They are so desperate they will even try to use riots and looting to get a vote.

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  31. justice099 says:


    Acting fools as usual. But at the end, this guy sounds at least a bit reasonable, but unfortunately naive about his people.


  32. gadsenfly says:

    Thanks. When you said most I thought maybe there were others. Are there any other that have it at such close range?
    Anyone else notice that the construction worker has Wilson 10 feet away from Brown and then Brown moves 25 towards Wilson. That would put him 15 feet behind Wilson, no?


  33. stormyeyesc says:

    Piaget/Tiffany has him standing over Brown……execution style IIRC. Brady was close too I would have to research.




  34. stellabella25 says:

    Official autopsy narrative is being leaked. St. Louis Post Dispatch reporting they are loading it up to their website now. Wound to hand was close range.



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  35. lorac says:

    So, if I read the StLTimes (Brown charging) article correctly, Wilson is saying that he fired one shot in the car which hit Brown, and Brown kept fighting for the gun. He fired a second in the car, which missed. Then Brown ran away,and turned back towards Wilson, and charged.
    Wilson fired a bullet, and Brown flinched so Wilson paused, but Brown kept coming. So Wilson fired off “several” more bullets.

    That would be two shots – longer pause – 1 shot – shorter pause – several shots. Doesn’t match up with the Glide thing, I don’t think…. if that porn watcher fabricated that, I hope he’s prosecuted….


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