If you are going to eat out you tip…
I have a VERY meagar income…but on the rare occassion that I eat out at a non-fast food place I do tip and I tip good since I was an ex-waitress.
I will say that if I get lousy service and it is not due to the place being too busy I am one of those that will tip only a penny usually with a message as to why.
This. I’ve never been a waitress but I have a lot of friends that are. And I agree. If you want to get a point across, then don’t go out to eat at all and tell the places you used to frequent why.
Same here, VERY meagar income and do not eat out often. Same with the tips just like you. I too was a waitress at one time when I was young, many moons ago.
The Friday before Christmas I treated myself to a meal out…Always like trying a new place. “Texas Roadhouse” was the place I ate..I expected the meal to be 20 at least so about $25 or so with tip…
Great meal that waitress gave me a tip on…with Fantastic service…meal came to a bit under $14 with drink..and I even ended up with over 1/2 as doggie bag…
I left a $20 for it all….
Did I tip too much…I dont think so….
Yet when I left I felt like I had been treated like a queen…I had a really nice evening with a great experience and good food…Even got to watch some of the watresses and waiters line dance LOL.
Sounds like my kind of place.
The relationship between waiter and customer is important, especially if you’re a regular, which I am at several restaurants. A good waiter/waitress understand that they are your representative in the kitchen. They take care of you, and you take care of them. I’ve actually “trained” several inexperienced waiters/waitresses to see this, and they all have come back to me and told me their income has increased dramatically.
Since wait-staff works for less than minimum wage, the difference is made up in tips. In Texas, the owner of the establishment must make up the difference between what that person made (on paper, anyway) and the legal minimum wage. By tipping well in a good restaurant, you help both the waiter and the business. That’s another reason I support family restaurants over chains, where possible.
Finally, so many people are lousy tippers. I help take up the slack, because I want both the business and my waiter to survive.
Oh, and I learned this the old fashioned way. I’ve waited my share of tables, back in the day.
Oh my gosh I sorta like it. Wouldn’t that say a ton if many did just that? Especially to the young idealistic kids.
Me too….does not mean that you don’t tip. Just tip and leave the note.
That is not where I shall cut back. I am more devious and eeeeevil than that.
Spork away. These douchers that stiff WORKING service personnel need to to live a month or two on minimum wage and one daily dose of mac and cheese. They are just exerting their perceived dominance over people. I’m with @kin on this–as a teen I bussed way too many tables, picked up after way too many pigs, and nudged way too many drunks with their faces embedded in mashed potatoes. bah….
I’d save that for if they have an Obama bumper sticker on their prius.
I AM OK with that one…..
Ouch that plus bad service would surely get them my penny tip…and a nasty compliment to the manager…
I don’t get paid as a restaurant consultant… So unless I generally like a place and want to do them a favor by informing them of a sub-par employee that needs to be “counselled”… I keep my mouth shut and take my business elsewhere.
Olive Garden, My favorite cheap Italian restaurant. I have always suspected some of the waiters of being Obama supporters…because their black. Next trip i will pay cash and leave them a note to that effect. I never liked tipping them anyway. Might open some eyes as to whos going to get screwed in this mess.
One aspect of your comment I do not like although I will not disagree with you. I also will not agree with you. Too many of all colors, shapes, sizes, religions, etc. voted for the mess we are in.
That’s projection and taking it out on the wrong people. Even if the server is a prog,, I think doing that would say more about me than it would about the server. If I don’t have the cash to tip, I don’t eat out…that’s part of “living within my means.”
This is what I meant above but as usual, Sharon says it better than me.🙂
….you made an excellent point with letting the restaurant know why you’re not showing up. Some openness about pinched financial situations, without being a jerk about it, is worth doing when it’s appropriate.
A phrase I often use now in public conversations with those who are serving or assisting me is this, “Unlike the government, we live on a budget, and when the money’s gone, it’s gone….so I would appreciate some information about how….” whatever. 99% of the time, that little scratch on the surface reveals a fed-up normal American who’s aching to express themselves. And then they usually do. 😉
Right on if you can’t tip decently don’t eat out. You don’t make your point hereto what would probably be a low information crowd. I have too much respect for the working man or woman to try and stick it to them like that. I’ll make my speech somewhere else where it will mean something.
Spread your bread upon the waters And it will come back to you I think that’s how it goes.
I think it’s way too reminiscent of Joethebumblingidiot Biden and Husseinblesshisheart Obama. If I can afford to eat out, I will leave a tip for the person who is serving me. After all, he or she IS working to earn a living. I understand the need to make a statement. Truly I do. I get so angry at the current situation that I could just scream and kick things. BUT….it’s very much like an entitled progressive to want to TAKE from the producers without paying their fair share. I will not stoop to that level. If someone provides me with a good or service, I will, in return, pay them…or in the case of a waiter/waitress who provides good service, tip them.
You said it well, Omar. especially this: “After all, he or she IS working to earn a living.”
I might add that there are many hard working food servers who are conservatives just trying to support themselves and their families. There are plenty of other ways to make a statement.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Not funny.
You may find that waiter or waitress in your overhead bunk in the Fema Camp…
and then you’ll be sorry. Really, really sorry. 👿
What a jerk.
That server actually pays taxes on 8% of your bill, whether or not you leave a tip. So, in essence, stiffing for any reason (short of unacceptably poor service by the server) is a double-whammy for the server.
Also, stiffing a server over something over which the server has absolutely no control is counter-productive. Stiffing the server does nothing to persuade the server with respect to conservative ideology, or to help convince that server to vote for more conservative candidates. In fact, quite the opposite. The server will merely remember that the anti-Obama jerk was… a jerk.
Didn’t Obama or Biden stiff a place during the first campaign?
If anyone else had done that, we’d be in jail. But, the law doesn’t apply to the Dear Reader.
Once, a few years ago, we were dining out and the service was awful. We heard a commotion (back in the kitchen/serving area) and shortly our server came out and said, “I just got fired, so if you were gonna leave me a tip, could you give it to me now?” (oh, we had NO food yet.) Being a first, we didn’t know what to do OR say….. so, we gave her two bucks. (lunch, not much of a bill) Everybody in the place, including the owners, was amazed and horrified at the rudeness of it – but I call it making the best of a really bad situation on her part.
Yes, our meal got comped. Full-moon day, that was.
Two bucks? How chincy!
Pffffft. Yer rich, whadda you know – was only a sammich and a soup!! Maybe $5.50, at the time.
WHAT? You’re kidding.
Soup used to be 15-cents and a BLT was 40-cents.
Of course, that was 1944. At Woolworths.
A chick i dated in the late 70’s was making 600.00 a night on weekends waitressing at a Red Onion. She was very pretty!
I worked as a waiter during college and the tips are basically all they get (I think it is about $2-3/hr). I’m fairly certain this was a hoax, but someone who has enough money to eat out should tip.
Yes, my child waited tables all thru college – then graduated to bartending. THAT’S where the bucks are. We have an easy way of figuring out the tip, here – our sales tax is roughly 8%, so double that for a regular tip, more if ya’s feel like it.
Ours varies depending on the County (blocks apart in many cases). Downtown is almost 10%, the burbs a bit over 7.
You guys must be kidding about those tips … I NEVER give less than 10% , sometimes 15% and almost always 20% .
Even the Communist News Network (CNN) says: http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/tipping/
We were talking the sales tax rates, not the tip. I usually go 20% too.
We do 20%, but I’ve recently heard it’s now gone up to 25%.
I don’t think it’s right to pull that kind of stuff. If you go out to a restaurant where it’s not fast food, that’s pretty sh*tty. It’s not the poor servers fault. If it’s that bad for ya, stay home and eat bologna. Or baloney.
i have known several ex servers and some have a very high worth of themselves and what people should tip. I say if you can’t take the heat stay out of the kitchen. If you don’t like the pay find another job.
My dad brought me up on tipping rules and he was an expert on all things proper. It was 10% and 15% if it was good service and 20% for excellent service. A lot of ex servers seem to think it should be 20% all the time.
That said, there is only so much pie. If more of your pie is spent on taxes, there will be less pie spent eating out. The meal you don’t eat is the tip the server does not get. In addition, people stressed for funds my cut the tip size in order to be able to pay for something else such as an energy drink, a beer after work or a pack of smokes. To say that a servers tips are going to walk away unscathed due to higher consumer cost regardless of what form it takes, is probably not going to happen.
Bad form. If you order food at a sit-down resturaunt, you better plan on paying the tip. Service rendered is service rendered and not paying for it is immoral.
However, I think this would be a fantastic thing to give to pan-handlers on the street.
Or even better… to all those requests for funds from the RNC/DNC!!
I admit I have always been guilty of over tipping. If things are not going according to my expectations, I will summon the waiter/waitress and express my dissatisfaction. That usually resolves the issue.
We will NOT win any hearts and/or minds behaving like this.
This is a MAJOR dick move, and if I see anyone pulling this crap, they’re going to get an ass-chewing that could blister a battleship down to bare metal. I frequent a couple of ‘working stiff’ sites, and I can tell you that all this does is confirm their opinion that Conservatives are stingy, greedy, selfish bastards out to bone the little guy. Whoever thinks it’s clever to do this–way to shoot us all in the foot, buckethead. Stick it to the banksters, stick it to the unions, stick it to the man, but don’t stick it to the working people.
Yes, THIS !!
As for leaving a note like that on the table, it is normal and customary to leave a tip as part of the deal. You would be holding someone else accountable that had nothing to do with your higher taxes. Try going into a regular store not paying the full price and leaving that note as the balance for your purchase and walking out of the store. The cops would probably put you in handcuffs and cart you off. Just because the server does not have the option to call the cops and is defenseless does not mean you take advantage of that person.
On the other hand how would one feel if at the end of the month your pay was cut by about 25% with no notice, just that note in the pay envelope…
I worked as a waitress when I was a teenager and I always tip as long as I’m given decent service and my tips are based on service. I can think of only twice in my life when I didn’t leave a tip and that was because both times my waitress was horrible. Once the waitress was too busy flirting with all the men to wait on her other tables. We had to wait 15 minutes for her to even take our drink order and this was after my husband stopped another waitress. When we saw our order come up, we had to go and tell her our food was ready. The other time was a young girl who wouldn’t get off the phone to wait on us and when we finally got our food and my son asked for a refill, she told him she’d get him one and went and sat back down talking on the phone. So we had to get up and refill our own glasses.
SO this is not something I would ever do. If I truly didn’t have the money to tip a waitress then I wouldn’t go out and eat.
Not tipping when a waitress doesn’t want to do her job is acceptable imo. Not tipping to try and make a point about a man she may or may not have voted for is wrong.
The idea is offensive. How would those who are stiffing service staff with the “note” like it if the same thing was done to them?
Many people are cutting back, and the restaurant business is feeling it. Those in this industry are already being hurt – people are eating out less, and spending less. My experience lately has been that service staff have been working extra hard to provide above-average service.
I usually tip 18% on the pre-tax bill. I note that waiters are now circling the full amount, hoping that people will tip on the post-tax final amount. If service is better than average, I will tip more. If it is a small bill I have been known to tip 100%, or more.
I always tip on the after tax bill and like I said it depends on the service, if I have a waitress like I described above I’m not leaving a tip.
Now if the place is busy, I was a waitress as a kid, so I understand that and will often leave an even larger tip no matter my wait time, because my waitress is having a tough night.
For instance one night we ate at a bbq joint and it was packed, our waitress was running ragged. She wasn’t refilling our glasses and the total bill came to thirty something dollars and we left her a 20 because I knew as busy as they were that some of those people were going to be mad and not leave her a tip.
I’m old fashioned though and prefer to leave cash tips. I’m also always concerned that my waitress might not get the tip.
When I was a teenager, I worked at a place where all the tips went into a tip jar and then split between all the waitresses at the end of the shift. I hated that, I could work my butt off and another waitress could be slacking and she got the same amount as me. I should have asked the owner if he was a prog. lol
If you can afford to eat out at a nice place you can afford a proper and decent tip.. Who ever wrote this stupid note is probably a stingy, selfish liberal.
I deliver Pizzas part time now, and am in school FT on the GI Bill. I also did this before the Army working 40-50hr weeks plus school FT. What people don’t understand is that out of tips+wage(which is excellent compared to most min. wage jobs) I have to pay for gas, and maintenance on my vehicle. I also get screwed by the corporation on the delivery charge, because I get half… trust me some people ask and assume we get the full thing. Delivery Drivers at pizza places are also expected to answer phones, make pizzas, catch the oven, fold boxes, sweep, mop, do dishes, etc etc. It’s way above and beyond what waiters do. Not that it’s a hard job, but most people truly think all we do is grab some pizzas and go right to them. The point is tip delivery drivers because they do a lot more than 5.60(while out on delivery) or 7.25(in store) pays. If you want to stick it to Obama supporters get more information than where they work.
Personally I tip 25% unless I have a real reason to tip less than that, or if it’s something small like a 10$ bar tab I tip more than 25%.
Hmmm, I think I may go against the tide on this one. My wife used to be a waitress at one point in her life and when we go out to eat we overtip so don’t get me wrong but my wife also happens to be very politically ignorant and indifferent to the politics. That’s part one.
Part two; if this country insists on keeping the political system the way it is then there needs to be a much large effort to get people involved in the political process, this includes waitresses.
Now, I can imagine my wife coming home one day with this card, or something similar, and I wonder what her reaction would be, whatever it would be I would think it would be a very short lived pain. But I also wonder if maybe it would act like a little seed that would sprout later in life perhaps upon hearing something in the news about politics.
You see, maybe her initial reaction upon receiving the card may be one of anger but that anger gets associated and rooted deep in the psyche with her political inaction. Upon hearing some random political news event, which she is more than likely not really paying attention to but is hearing nonetheless, the seed sprouts and begins to take root and she becomes impassioned about politics, becomes president and saves us all. Much better than a $2 tip wouldn’t you agree?
I agree. Like they say. Elections have consequences. Ive lost so much money due to Obama why should i keep tipping at the same rate. Let them feel some of the pain, might open some eyes.
I’m inclined to agree with you. This election affects us all and the sooner it comes to a head the better. I’ve been greatly affected by, especially, the past few presidential elections and then some. I’m a good tipper and will continue to be so (unless if the service is bad, of course). I will not be one to pass out a card but don’t think I will castigate those that do.
I understand the irritation. I might leave a good tip then the note so that no one is suffering, but it leaves them to wonder what might ave been, if I was so inclined. But to go out to eat and leave no tip is in bad taste and is rude.
I over tip because I know what it’s like to work for tips. Before I got married, I was a waitress at a small family diner, Hooters, and I’ve been a cocktail waitress/bartender. At the diner,there were several occasions where a customer is on a fixed income (usually elderly and dining alone) and could not leave much for a tip. They always explained to me that they wish they could leave more. I appreciated what they did leave and that they told me why. I think leaving a note is a chicken sh*t way out. At least have enough respect to tell me why to my face.
Leave a tip or don’t eat out. Many of the regular customers are already gone, or eating out less because of the economy, and that is the result of Obama’s policy. I would not leave the note, even with a tip. Yes, some of the servers are liberal, but I don’t think I want to impose my views on someone in a situation where they have no choice. If they are working, they are at the mercy of the job – good conduct is required. They cannot express themselves, and I have made them a victim. Not fair, nor a way to win anyone over.
No, no, noooooo…. this is even low on the Stupid Frat Boy scale.
And, if you leave something stupid like this for the waitstaff, it would be prudent not to return, unless you’re in mufti. Otherwise, your food might be… you know… well, you can guess. And probably deservedly so.
You mean like what the guys are always telling Sheldon on the “Big Bang Theory” Like the with the Pizza guy, it was go pick up your spit on Pizza….
I am a server (one of the older ones), and I certainly wouldn’t appreciate it. Just because we are service workers, does not mean we are politically ignorant. In fact, I’m finding more and more servers to be more conservative than liberal. We are all back to working in the service industry for different reasons. Mine was to help take care of my elderly mother-in-law during the day and a night job fit our schedules perfectly. At one point last year, our wait staff consisted of a lawyer (he was going back to school), two nurses, an enlisted man, and a paralegal. We are all well informed, and I PITY the person who leaves this card for one of my co-workers.
More & more we are becoming a Socialist Country. They want the money of those who work to pay for programs of those who do not work, To pay for elistis from other Countries (foreign Aid), or to pay for worthless institutions and its worthless leader (the UN)…. And other words the money of workers goes to lazy ppl and worthless causes. A goverment State, no longer the “WE THE PPL”…. and like a frog getting cook…. our taxes will go up, & up and we gonna complain less & less until we’re all cooked. But what can we do really? Their power is so great now, & ppl are more stupid each day. Look at the Tea Party, they started as a strong coalition ONLY to stop the higher taxes and to defend the Constitution….. Now the Tea Party is a joke, they are more concern about the “social illness of the USA” than the TWO reasons they started fighting for.
When I go to eat I leave a good tip, not because I was a waitress but because I watched the movie “Waiting” …. Tips is just a drop in the bucket compare with higher taxes, why do most ppl here decided to comment on the tipping part is beyond me …. Jus think PPL if our taxes keep moving on up, we gonna keep moving on down ….so soon we all be eating at Mcdonald, no worring about tiping there.
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