UPDATE #33 – Trayvon Martin Shooting – “The Bloom Is Off The Ruse”….. The Gang Connections

Perhaps “fear” is actually stronger than Sunlight – Sunlight might dull the appearance of a Tattoo, but “Fear” actually removes it.

Too much newly unearthed research to cover in one substantive and digestible thread.  So let us once again consider this Part 1 in a two-part series.   Part 1 dealing with Gang Membership, Parenting–or the lack thereof–and gang affiliation.   With Part 2 dealing with The Masonic Connection and research into Tracy Martin/Brandi Green’s “ACTUAL and TRUTHFUL” whereabouts on Saturday February 25th and Sunday February 26th.

 “Crippin’ is a choice, but it’s forever. You may slow down, but you will always be down forever.”

It started with trying to figure out why Traydaddy, Tracy Martin, changed his neck tattoo sometime between March 22nd and March 26th.   Perhaps Trayvon’s other Ghost-Daddy, President Barack Obama, …”if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon”, coming out four square on the side of Team Skittles had something to do with the need to clean up the image.  I mean, it would certainly appear, well, odd, if Barack Obama was ghost parent to a “gang banger”.

Prior to March 22nd Tracy Martin proudly displayed the following neck tattoo:

 It appears to say “CaT” in scrolled tattoo script.

Sometime between 3/22 and 3/26 the tattoo was redone, “CaT” was covered up and it was made to look like this:

Praying hands.  Much more innocuous.

Considering that Tracy Martin grew up in East Saint Louis it is no surprise that a young man in his formative years would associate with a “street gang”.   CaT = Crippin all Time.

Crippin all [the] Time is just an easy identifier for a relatively well known street gang called the “Crips.”   The Crips are primarily, but not exclusively, an African American gang founded in Los Angeles California in 1969 mainly by 16-year-old Raymond Washington and Stanley Tookie Williams III.

(Understanding Crips)  It is a popular misconception that Crips sets feud only with Bloods. In reality, they fight each other — for example, the Rollin’ 60s and 83rd Street Gangster Crips (”Eight-Tray”) have been rivals since 1979. This conflict has resulted in the majority of “Gangster Crip” sets feuding with most “Neighborhood Crip” sets.

For many years, Crips were characterized by their tendency to wear blue in order to easily identify each other.

Crips also wear blue bandanas and British Knights sport shoes (using the company moniker BK, which the Crips use as a backronym meaning “Blood Killas”.) They usually refer derisively to their rivals, the Bloods, as “slobs” and “busters”.  More recently, however, the Crips have begun to cease the use of colors as a means of identification, since it is likely to draw attention from police. Methods such as the use of college sport team jerseys and hats are sometimes used, but in general, what set a certain gang member claims can be determined solely by their tattoos.

Many Crips will also change words containing the letter B or choose another word to replace it, the best being a word with a C. This is due to their hatred of Bloods. If no word can reasonably be substituted, the letter B will be crossed out to show disrespect. Sometimes excessive use of the letter C also occurs, such as “I’ll C right baCC” to refrain from using the initials “ck” which stands for “Crip Killer”, and not using “B” which is the first letter in Blood. Also, the letter B can be written BK as in “Blood Killer”.

Consistent with other gangs, Crip gang members will use tattoos as a means of identification. Both west coast and east coast Crips use this method of identification but you will find that the Crips on the west coast tattoo a lot more than east coast Crips.

Other distinctive “tells” in the Crip gang affiliation include:

        • Crip Lob = Crip Love (LOB represents Lords of Brotherhood)
        • BNC = Bad News Crip
        • SMGC = Soldier Mafia Gangster Crip (This Crip set has been found to use the common Blood tattoo “MOB” as a means of disrespect. Soldier Mafia Gangster Crips use these letters to represent “Murder Other Bloods”
        • Six Pointed Stars
        • Six Pointed Crowns
        • Three Pointed Crowns
        • The numbers 211 = The second letter being “B” and the eleventh letter being “K”….BK represents Blood Killer
        • Crippin Ain’t Easy
        • The numbers “3 18 9 16”……This numbers of the alphabet equal the letters of the word CRIP
        • Pitchforks facing up
        • The number 6 in any fashion

So what is a person to think about why Tracy Martin, father to Trayvon Martin, chose to hide his affiliation with gang lifestyles?    Was the risk of discovery dangerous to a narrative being carefully and methodically scripted by Benjamin Crump, Daryl Parks and the Martin Family team of handlers?    Obviously someone told him it would be better for the “objective” if his tattoo was hidden changed.

But what influence did this have on 17-year-old Trayvon?    Lets take a look via some recently published information from law enforcement agencies, using the Gang Awareness Guide and a few screen shots:

Lets start by looking at “Warning Signs For Parents”:

Lets use each of these bullet points to look at Trayvon Martin:

Change of Behavior or Defiant Behavior – In the 2011-2012 school year Trayvon Martin was suspended from school three times.   In addition in June of 2011 he was using his social media platforms to reflect a severe anti-social personality.

Grades Drop / Truancy – in the 2011/2012 school year from August to February Trayvon had been absent 53 days from school.   Generally that would be considered excessive by any standard.

Unexplained Money / Jewelry – The second suspension from school was for having unknown jewelry in his posession and what was called by school administrators as “a burgalry tool”.

Slang – One only needs to look at his twitter feed, and Facebook pages to rapidly identify almost another language with profanity and well-versed slang use.

Graffitti on Books and Walls – Again part of the 2nd school suspension for writing vulgarities with permanent marker on school lockers.

According to the report, on Oct. 21 staffers monitoring a security camera at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School spotted Trayvon and two other students writing “W.T.F.,” an acronym for “What the f—,” on a hallway locker, according to schools police. The security employee, who knew Trayvon, confronted the teen and looked through his bag for the graffiti marker.

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool.

Nicknames and Streetnames – “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA” was his twitter handle, and “Trey” was his common albeit strangely spelled nickname amid his social circle.

Evidence of Drug Use –  School suspension for Marijuana and also widely reported by us in former posts on the subject.

The next segment of the pdf brochure deals with assisting parents who are concerned about their childs Gang Affiliation.   However, unfortunately when a parent, or parents, are active supporters of the gang lifestyle themselves, well, one can only look retrospectively on what a parent failed to do.

Trayvon Martin was shuffled from home to home, relative to relative, parent to parent, with none actually interceding to stop his downward spiral.   By now almost everyone outside of the Lame Stream Legacy Media is well familiar with Trayvon’s use of twitter to communicate to his peeps.   Yet Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon’s Mom, did not even know he had a twitter account  (evidence pdf page 37).   That does not bode well for the concept of “involved parenting.”

 

Neither Tracy Martin nor Sybrina Fulton knew of Trayvon’s use of U-Tube accounts to watch MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) fights, and neither were aware of him even posting video’s of himself involved in MMA fights with his friends.    Involved Parenting?

ORLANDO – Trayvon’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, told investigators that her son had her name tattooed on his wrist and also had the names of his grandmother, great-grandmother and a pair of praying hands tattooed on his arms.

The Miami Gardens teen had been in Sanford for nearly a week, staying with his father’s girlfriend [Brandi Green] while his father spent much of the time working at a convention, family members said.

Consider this outline from Friday night through Sunday Morning.   Exactly who was supervising Trayvon and Chad Green,  while Brandi Green and Tracy Martin were attending a Free Mason conference?   page 39 of evidence pdf

Yup, when you put it all together and expose it to the sunlight of honest evaluation, there really is not so much need to wonder why Trayvon Martin’s dad, chose to hide his Crip neck tattoo before President Obama could support him and the scheme in the Rose Garden.

Making sense now?…..

Oh yeah, and about that pesky Orlando Masonic Convention during the same weekend as the shooting.   Yeah, we are going there next, and I have a funny feeling you too will understand exactly why Tracy Martin gave Trayvon $100 for food when he last saw him.  It certainly was NOT to cover one absentee parent meal.

ps.   Where’s Brandi Green?    Anyone – Anyone ?

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206 Responses to UPDATE #33 – Trayvon Martin Shooting – “The Bloom Is Off The Ruse”….. The Gang Connections

  1. flawesttexas says:

    Beginning to wonder if all the death threats being received by GZ began thru callings out from TrayDad to his Crips buddies?

    All these lawyers, politicians, media wonks….hanging wit da Crips

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    • boricuafudd says:

      Shit, I cant believe I missed crippin all tha time, I now someone who was a former member and has a CaT, just different fonts. It just that those pictures with the red shirts, really threw me for a loop.

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      • They are not red, they’re orange

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        • ftsk420 says:

          Bloods use orange also.

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        • johngalt90210 says:

          Trayvon wore an orange shirt when he rode the horse.

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        • krddurham says:

          I disagree. Those shirts look red to me. There are two guys wearing hats in the pic – Tracy is wearing one. The other guy’s hat is a red and black Florida Marlins hat, which matches his shirt. The hat looks a lot like this…

          http://tinyurl.com/7dn3cv8

          You’re not going to find a crip wearing red.

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          • Do you ever EFFEN’ agree on anything or do you just relish being a “contrarian”? annoying as hell it is…..

            I just pulled up your comments from May 25th to today. 26 responding comments telling the person writing the original comment you are responding to that they are incorrect. 26 out of 26 100% GET THAT !

            Over the past two months 100% of your replies have been contrarian. Not one comment adding to discussion, reflecting on substance, or providing value to discussion. 100% about other people being incorrect from the Sizzurp/Purple Drank conversation, to the 7-11 video timelines, every single comment you have made has been to dispute others.

            A statistical impossibility for a regular commentator interested in discussion threads…. unless, you are working for, or on behalf of the opposition.

            You wanna try and explain that.?

            Your thoughts?

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          • ADD, just did a little more background checking because spidey senses were going off. The only time you have joined a comment thread is when the Scheme Team fraud of false family presentation has been highlighted.

            7-11 three stooge video….. there you are saying it was not Trayvon
            Update 26 part 2 the drug use …. Bingo you pop up again saying it was not Trayvon
            Fight Club Video(s)….. Presto you show up saying it is not Trayvon.

            Statistically impossible. Agenda NOW Obvious.

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            • thefirstab says:

              Oh SNAP!!!!!:):)

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              • Kyozokuninja says:

                DOUBLE SNAP…sorry, thefirststab, I was caught in the moment…

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                • Notice how once they are exposed “poof” they disappear. ?

                  You know why this is annoying as heck? Because this “stealth troll” has been on-site for over 4 months causing disruption, aguing, and trying to divert attention. And guess what, it works….

                  I hate people who just cannot be honest about their motives and agendas. Another prog characteristic…… LIARS.

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                  • Kyozokuninja says:

                    Your honesty when revealing the STs (hmmmm, wonder how we could manage to get a ‘D’ put at the end of ‘Stealth Trolls’?) is so fricking awesome to see, SD. I hope our fellow Treepers are beginning to understand that the STs do indeed come to the Treehouse in an attempt to derail the Truth train and to disrupt an uninterrupted string of investigation. If the research we were discovering here was merely a set of fairy tales, the STs would pay us no mind at all.

                    If the nasty, little, green buggers would simply come in honestly and try to refute us here, that would be one thing; but for them to come in and pretend that they are trying to ‘help’ us and then spread seeds of dissent…well, that just makes me want to make certain that Machinegun Marmoset has extra hollow points.

                    I wish all the Treepers had your spidey-sense where the trolls were concerned and learn to just ignore them. MHO, mind you. As it is, I think the Treepers should make you the Treehouse’s Official Troll Tromper (you already do the job, you might as well hold the title,eh?). I can see your avatar in my mind’s eyes now, holding up two trolls instead of two political parties.😀

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                  • Kyozokuninja says:

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          • shemme says:

            I agree no crip will be wearing red…. that could have been his past… looks like he’s joined a new gang (Mansons)

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        • ftsk420 says:

          I was on the phone with a friend from West Palm beach last night and I asked him about some gangs . He told me Miami has a gang called 758 byrdgang they are all between the ages of 15-18 they like to commit robbery assaults things like that. My friend said if TM was apart of a gang it was probably this one. He said carol city also has whats called carol city mafia another group of youngsters. Byrdgang is a blood set.

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          • doodahdaze says:

            Sounds like one big happy family. I notice the subject is Taboo in the media. The Dear Leader might look bad if his Son is exposed.

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  2. waltherppk says:

    Whadaya got when what should seem far fetched and paranoid is for real ? Welcome to earth.

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    • myopiafree says:

      The TM “acorn” did not fall far from the tree. TrayDad – after presentation by the police – knew they were telling him the truth. TrayDad was an example for his kid. He knew about the 53 times he missed school, about the thee 10 day suspensions, about the violence of TM and his “habits.”

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  3. ctdar says:

    Uhm Puddy can you please clarify, I thought the
    NYHoodie March was 3/21 (according to photos w/old tat, articles, posters)
    Sanford Rally was 3/22 (photo w/old tat, articles)

    The Capitol Hill meeting was 3/27 & was 1st time I saw new tattoo
    Thank you

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    • ctdar says:

      The first picture above i believe is Tracy from hoodie march, the second (checked shirt)was from Sanford rally

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    • recoverydotgod says:

      first pic
      Friday 3/16 orlando press conference [the date 911 calls played by mayor for Martin family and attorneys]

      second pic
      Thursday 3/22 [Fort Mellon Park Rally – Sanford]

      New Tatoo
      Monday 3/26 [Day of Sanford City Commission Meeting]
      http://twitpic.com/91p0jj

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      • ctdar says:

        Thx recoverydotgod,
        That changes timeline above if tattoo was changed between
        3/22-3/26, again just wanted to clarify as it happening after the nyhoodie march/3-21

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        • recoverydotgod says:

          I think an easy way to see what was happening is to look at Julison Communications facebook. Look at overall 2012 timeline on Julison Communications Facebook related to Trayvon Martin story…and where those posts for that story end.

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        • ctdar says:

          just looked for 3/21 ny hoodie march photos all close ups have been removed huffington post article even said “image license expired” in the box where parents photo was. I know from those photos seen at distance Tracy was wearing a peach colored shirt with matching striped tie & Sabrina had a purple shirt, dark outer coat.
          Funny how things work when truth is exposed?
          Tattoo must definately means something bad/derogatory to their side in order to go to that much trouble of scrubbing so many photos within last few days.

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  4. Aoife Crane says:

    Wait a minute…this caught my eye: “The Miami Gardens teen had been in Sanford for nearly a week, staying with his father’s girlfriend [Brandi Green] while his father spent much of the time working at a convention, family members said.”
    Doesn’t this conflict completely with this statement from MSNBC “A special prosecutor in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman released more evidence Thursday, including a first glimpse at what the FBI has found in its civil rights investigation with dozens of witnesses. The evidence released by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey also included interviews from one of her investigators with Trayvon Martin’s cousin, who was with him the night before Martin was shot.”
    He can’t be in Sanford nearly a week and in Miami Gardens the night before he was shot. What is it and who the hell is telling the truth here?

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    • ackbarsays says:

      He has a cousin that lives in Sanford. They had gone out to the movie theater Saturday night but left because they “didn’t like the scene” – whatever that means. It would take a really BAD “scene” for NO LIMIT NIGGA to feel like he should not be there (or, alternatively, a really GOOD scene where he didn’t feel there was much chance he could engage in commerce).

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      • flawesttexas says:

        Sanford is not exactly an exciting town, especially for people like TM. Downtown has some nice restaurants, but that is not in TMs demographic. And, as Sanford becomes more of a middle-class suburb of Orlando….the local inner-city population becomes more irrelevant. That one week in Sanford probably bored the heck out of a inner-city Miami youth

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        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Fla West Texas – Sooo – TM was bored, and thought he would “bait” GZ, who he knew as the “Watch”. By 1) Circle GZ’s truck 2) “Running behind a building”. 3) Wait in the darkness for GZ to go across the top of the “T”, then 4) Step out of the darkness and smash GZ in his face with his fist?? I think I “got it”. This was “entertainment” for TM.

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          • flawesttexas says:

            Myopiafree….with that report of TM allegedly threatening a bus driver….your scenario would be correct. Sanford is not an exciting place. And, that Sunday, people were either watching Daytona 500 or NBA All Star game….both being held near Sanford. Not too many people out that day

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            • myopiafree says:

              Hi Texas – We are often asked, how does a cute 11 year-old kid get “mowed down” by a “Night watch THUG”. We truly need to understand the “Psychology” of a 17 year old adult, who choose to follow his father’s “Crips” life style. In fact, TM believed that it was “all right” to punch-out a bus driver who was attempting to collect her fare – as well as “punching out” this “Neighbor-hood watch” jerk. That is the real reason and source of violence in TM. The consequence should be clear to all of us.

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              • flawesttexas says:

                I think we will learn a lot more about the TrayFamily once the civil suits start. This could explain the push for monetary settlements now, before the criminal trial. In a civil case, TrayFamily’s background is going to be up for discovery.

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    • jimrtex says:

      Tracy Martin drove Trayvon Martin halfway to Sanford on Tuesday, Brandy Green drove down halfway and picked him up.

      Tracy Martin came up to Kissimmee on Friday night. Supposedly Trayvon stayed with him on Friday night at the hotel. Chad says Brandy Green dropped him and Trayvon Martin off at an NBA event (the All-Star Game was in Orlando that weekend).

      On Saturday they “all” were at the convention. Tracy Martin, Trayvon Martin, and Brandy Green then went to a “football game” of Chad’s on Saturday night. Chad’s coach brought Chad to the game – so presumably he was in Sanford. The cousin met them at the “game”. After the game Tracy Martin and Brandy Green went back to Kissimmee.

      Trayvon Martin, the cousin, and Chad were going to take Chad home to change, and then go to a movie (Saturday night). You may remember the original story was that Trayvon had been out with the cousin on Saturday, and when he wasn’t at the townhome on Sunday, they called the cousin and got no answer.

      The cousin says they “didn’t like the scene” at the theater, so didn’t go to a show, ate at McDonald’s and then went back to Green’s. Cousin slept in the garage, while Trayvon slept in the living room.

      Brandy Green says that they came home on Sunday morning and the boys’ were sleeping. Tracy Green says he and Green didn’t come home on Sunday. Cousin says that he drove to the 7-11 on Sunday morning, and he bought a Black & Mild, and then dropped Trayvon back off around 8:30. Trayvon Martin stayed in the car.

      The cousin says he was driving his brother’s car, so there must be two cousins. So maybe a younger brother was visiting from Miami. Maybe he moved back to Miami. He wasn’t interviewed until May.

      Brandy Green didn’t think Martin had ever been to the 7-11. Chad said he had been on Thursday. And cousin said they had been there on Sunday morning.

      So the story about Brandy Green and Tracy Martin going out to dinner and not returning until 11:00 wasn’t working out to well. So they have to establish that Trayvon Martin was actually at Brandy Green’s on Saturday.

      And for some reason, the cousin has to sleep in the garage and account for a Black&Mild.

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      • ejarra says:

        BTW Jim, that made my head hurt again. You would think that after a month with Ryan Julison’s help, they could have could come up with a singular storey thatwent with the timeline and made sense instead of this garbage where you need a bottle of aspirins to get through their gibberish.

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  5. Aoife Crane says:

    I see…..but didn’t the father say on several occasions that his little snowflake didn’t know anybodyin Sanford…so now there’s a cousin who lives here?

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  6. knuckledragingwino says:

    A clue that fascinates me is that TM had tats referring to his mother and grandmother on him. This reflects the matrilineal genealogical assumptions of the gangster lifestyle in which paternity is extremely uncertain. This is a reflection of traditional African culture in which paternal uncertainty so high that men invest their resources and time in their sisters’ children rather than their wives’ children. The fact that TM lived with his putative father and step mother for so many years is nothing short of amazing.

    Sudden epiphany. Trayvon Martin doesn’t just look like President Obama’s hypothetical son, he is Obama’s bastard son. What, it can’t be. That would imp lie that BHO has testicles. My bad.

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    • scubachick75 says:

      Who lets their 16-17 year old get all these tattoos? You have to either have your parent with you to get one or have a notarized consent.

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      • ftsk420 says:

        People in the hood throw Tattoo parties all the time. It’s not that uncommon to see 15 and younger with tats. As a parent I wouldn’t allow it.

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      • Was just wondering this myself.

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      • johngalt90210 says:

        Tracy Martin, apparently:

        @SJ_SayNoMo JUST TELL ME WHEN MY OL BOI GOT DA HOOKUP WIT DA TATTOO MAN. . . .ND I GOT A COUPLE 2

        SJ_SayNoMo was Trayvon’s drug buddy (“nigga need a plant”, “fire ass lean”, etc)

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      • Sharon says:

        “Who lets their 16-17 year old get all these tattoos?”

        Make a list of all the “parents” listed in these stories and you will have the answer. Hood people. People who fear their kids. People who have no idea where their kids are and are just glad they’re not at home. People who grew up using in the 70’s and 80’s and consider parenting a nuisance which interferes with their life. Probably close to 45% of the “parents” in this nation right now (counting all the inner cities which are infested with them)….that’s who lets their 16-17 get all these tattoos.

        This didn’t just start. This has been going on since the 70’s. It has just now become a heavy enough weight on the nation’s culture that it’s more and more obvious. It’s a very, very strong tree with deep roots: the rebels and the anarchists have a firmly established culture in this nation, and they have a sizeable number of their peeps in public office–and those positions give them a great deal of authority, which they are always willing to exceed (and no one dares call them on it). They are why the White House resident dares to do anything he wants. He no longer has to calculate the “political cost” of any of his anti-constitutional moves. There really isn’t much danger to his political life: his peeps are on the move.

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        • Kyozokuninja says:

          Dear Birdy, I watch around me and see no parenting going on. I’m quite aged and I’ve seen no parenting for at least 20 years running. The ‘be-your-child’s-best-friend’ line has slain a generation. How horribly sad. My children know I’m ‘THE-MEANEST-MOTHER-IN-THE-WORLD’, but they also can’t get enough of me and love me. Hmmmmm… LOL

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          • Sharon says:

            Yeah, me, too. Our sons are in their mid-40’s…sometimes they laugh about this memory, “Mom, I remember when we were way little that as we would enter a store, you would just say ‘Pockets’ and we would!! That worked!” The rule was that when we entered a store and I said “Pockets” that was their reminder to put their hands in their pockets and leave them there until we left the store.

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            • Kyozokuninja says:

              It is my theory that many of ‘today’s parents’ see babies as puppies or kitties – oh so cute, but they have not idea how much having a child changes a life. It’s a forever thing.

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              • ctdar says:

                At our high school the health class has little robot babies each student has to take care of for 2 days(even had own carseat that could carry around & strap in the car), includes taking to class, afterschool jobs & sports, bringing home for the nights. Pretty funny hearing the preprogrammed cry and watch my than 16 year old first try the binky, than the bottle and lastly change the diaper till could get the crys to stop. had to record each event in log to turn in after.
                Having to be so responsible & be literally on call 18 hrs/day(baby was turned off during the late hours) really made an impression on my son & the other students.

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            • menostupid says:

              Ha! I did the same with mine & still do with the 2 teenage boys I have left at home lol. My son thinks im the only weird mother on earth that makes her kids keep their hands in their pockets while in a store. I have a 16 & almost 18yo boys and neither one have nor desire to have tattoos either.

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    • thefirstab says:

      I’m getting such an education on Hood Speak and Ebonics here – imp lie ???
      Bwaaahaaaa!!

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  7. lousy1 says:

    According to the interview 5/10 by Dale Galbraith. The cousin, Ronquavis Fulton is from Miami. He slept at the Greens house with Chad and Trayvon leading up to the Sunday on Treyvon’s death.

    See 2nd evidence dump Page 9

    Although Ronquavis is terse about the details of that period he unexpectedly volunteers that:

    The next morning he and Trayvon drove to the 7-11 so that Fulton could buy a Black and Mild. Ronquavis felt compelled to add the detail that Trayvon stayed in the car. The pair drover back to the Greene townhouse around 8-8:30 then RF drove home (to?)

    So Fulton felt compelled to drive TM to the store for no reason and then drive him back, rather than just picking up a cigar when he departed for home?

    Sound like a scene out of “Dude, wheres my car?”

    It would be nice to get a hold of the 7-11 tapes covering Sunday Morning

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    • spectator1 says:

      nice !

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    • maggiemoowho says:

      Great thought, where are those tapes?
      Also, how did TM and Chad get into an NBA event without an adult, Chad said TM and him went to an NBA event Friday night, Brandi dropped them off. Do they allow underage kids into events without adult supervision?

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      • flawesttexas says:

        That event may have been the NBA All Star Slam at the Amway Center. Slam Dunk, 3 pt shooting competition…open admittance for all ages

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    • johngalt90210 says:

      Ronquavis is the one that told Nancy Grace that he met Dee Dee at the funeral.

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      • The police report says either him or Chad slept in the garage. (The name is redacted, but TM slept in the living room.) I’m wondering why anyone would sleep in the garage.

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        • sunnydaze77 says:

          Chad says he called Tray after he was gone for awhile, Tray said it started to rain he would be back soon, so obviously Tray was gone long enough to make Chad concerned enough to call and check on him…what was Tray doing while he was gone long enough to warrant Chad to call and check to see where he was,And he never calls him back again after being gone even longer? He waited for his mother to get home and didnt mention Tray never returned, that he called and Tray said he was on his way back to the house? or did he and Brandy and Tracy just said oh well screw it and went to bed….it makes no sense, just more b.s.

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        • ejarra says:

          Obviously, he must have slept in his car. Was he too stoned to drive back to Miami? Because the choice would have been to start driving back and sleep eventually in a bed or sleep in a car in a garage. If it was me, and I wasn’t stoned, I would have started back even if I had to pull over and get some sleep on the way. It’s still better than spending a whole night in a car.

          Of course, if there was a comfortable couch in the garage then maybe… However, it wasn’t mentioned.

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          • maggiemoowho says:

            I am so confused with these families now, I thought I had them somewhat figured out. Ronquavis is a Fulton from Sabrina’s side, we know TM was also with Stephen Martin(RipTray9) from Tracy’s side. Doesn’t one of them say they were there with a brother during one of the interviews. So who is the brother or is it a figure of speech. The day of the shooting Stephen said via tweet that he and TM watched the movie “Friday after next” that afternoon. He also posted a photo of himself with a toy WWE belt that TM took of him the day before. It was taken in a garage because you can see the garage door track on the ceiling.

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            • Yes, I remember that picture and I remember noting it was in a garage…… now that you mention it…. I think that Trayvon, Chad, and Stephen are the three names redacted.

              Not sure about Ronquavis….. Man this family is riddled with sub-sects of relations by one time association, or something….

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            • jimrtex says:

              On Page 9 the cousin says he was driving his brother’s car. It looks like it could be an unredacted descender on a ‘p’ in the 4th paragraph.

              The page 28 interview of Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton says that the cousin had also come in to town. But the Page 9 interview has the cousin going through a box of clothing that Tracy Martin had brought with him. And remember that originally, Tracy Martin had said that he had called a cousin “who was very responsible” who had just moved to the area, who Trayvon had gone to the movies with the night before. The Page 9 interview says that Trayvon and the cousin came to Chad’s “football game”, while other versions have the cousin meeting everybody at the game

              There is a picture of March 8 press opportunity, that has Stephen Martin speaking, along with Tracy Martin, “fiancee” Brandy Green, Natalie Jackson and Benjamin Crump.

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            • doodahdaze says:

              They will all claim to be able to trace themselves back to Kunta Kinte. Reparations will probably be divided along Blood Lines.

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        • jimrtex says:

          Chad’s name is shorter than the cousin’s, so you can keep them apart (just remember to add room for an apostrophe and s for possesive’s.

          The cousin says he grabbed Trayvon Martin’s phone and talked to a girl for a minute or so. Maybe “DeeDee” mentioned a “car place” or “car shed”.

          Maybe Trayvon had to sleep in the garage.

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      • I think this is 14-year-old (Brandi’s Son) Chad Green’s statement:

        Photobucket

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        • nameofthepen says:

          SD, I’m a little confused by something (well, a lot of somethings, lol).

          So, there was a big basketball game on TV that day, and Trayvon and Chad were watching.

          I thought I heard that 1) Trayvon left at half-time to go get Chad a snack. 2) That Trayvon was shot less than an hour after he left to go to the 7-11 for that snack. 3) That Chad didn’t hear the resulting commotion because he was in his bedroom with earphones on, listening to music.

          My questions: A) Was the game still going on? Or was it over by then? And, if it was still on, then, B) Why would Chad wander away in the 2nd half to go listen to music?

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          • jimrtex says:

            The game didn’t start until 7:30. (the NBA All-Star Game was in Orlando that weekend).

            When Tracy Martin first reported Trayvon Martin missing, he said he had last been seen at 8:30 pm on Sunday, which would have been about half time. But the story then was that Brandy Green and Tracy Martin had gone out to dinner.

            Chad might have told them the halftime story. Or Chad might have clued them in that there was a shooting, and they didn’t want to implicate Trayvon just in case he was the shooter.

            It also didn’t help that the 7-11 tape shows Trayvon there before 6:30.

            Tracy Martin first said that they had returned to Sanford and then went out to eat that evening. Brandy Green then said they had come back Sunday morning and the 3 boys were still sleeping. But then Tracy Martin says they didn’t come back until Sunday evening (Tracy and Brandy went back to hotel in Kissimmee Satuday night, the convention ended Sunday afternoon, and they went somewhere).

            Maybe they’re trying to provide connections for “DeeDee”‘s story. Maybe she mentioned the Black&Mild (that Trayvon tried to buy), and so it has to be another trip, and it was the cousin.

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            • nameofthepen says:

              jimrtex – Thanks very much. Great condensed thumbnail sketch. That was nice of you. :)

              What a concatenation of confused, conflicting, alibis!

              I’ve been in a state of confusion ever since I started following this case. No wonder!

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        • doodahdaze says:

          If so, the States case gets even weaker. I had thought that they might be using him as a witness. Add Chad th the FBI and it is looking bad for Corey.

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        • skinterest says:

          I have a question- why would BDLR not interview Chad until 4/27? Seems he would have done this a month earlier and why would this be in here with the FBI stuff? Chad has nothing to do with Georges background- there also appears to be a lot of Questions about Marijuana. Ok so I had two questions

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          • jimrtex says:

            Have you ever listened to a BDLR interview?

            It probably went like this:

            BDLR: “What kind of person was Trayvon, a nice guy, a bad dude?”
            Chad: “Nice”
            BDLR: OK, so he was a real nice guy?
            Chad: “Yeah”
            BDLR: OK, so you never saw him smoking Marijuana?
            Chad: No.

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    • Meme says:

      In the 7-11 videos we DID see, wasn’t Trayvon buying Black & Milds?

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  8. johngalt90210 says:

    Klein and Maxson showed that 12 variables labeled the “deficient-aggressive”
    factor (listed in order of the factor loadings) differentiated core from fringe members:
     Lower school performance
     Lower judged intelligence
     Lower impulse control
     More likely to get others in trouble
     Higher recorded delinquency
     More often truant
     Lower desire for rehabilitation
     More psycho- or sociopathic
     Needs more help
     More dependent on group
     Fewer outside interests
     More willing to fight

    http://newweb.jssinc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/White-Paper-The-Gangs-of-Miami.pdf
    at page 5/12

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  9. johngalt90210 says:

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-12-22/news/os-statewide-gang-reduction-report-20101222_1_gang-activity-gang-members-bloods

    More than 1,400 gangs, 56,000 gang members, associates and suspected gang members reside in the Florida, according to a report.

    There are more gangs, gang members and people associated with gangs in Southeast Florida than any other region in the state, according to a report released on Wednesday.

    According to the report, the most commonly reported gang in Florida is the “Crips,”

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    • boricuafudd says:

      This is not good news for GZ, you don’t kill a crip member or family member without Retribution.

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    • thefirstab says:

      then add big-time and street drug dealers from Central/South America, and what’s a law-abiding citizen to do? Behold, SYG…After all, the law-abiders pay their taxes, and vote.
      btw, you can also throw in (this is first-hand) some Mob folks from the Northeast; Coral Gables was (20 ys ago, not sure about now) THE place for a winter home.

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  11. trayvonobama says:

    As they say….apple doesn’t fall far

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  12. kinthenorthwest says:

    Trayvon was a teen who needed help but only got shuttled around by his parents when trouble arose…

    Now its too late so his parents are now making money off his death…A death that just might not have happened if someone had taken the time to intervene instead of shuttling him to another relative.

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  13. johngalt90210 says:

    Chad Dad throwing up Brim signs ?

    Displaying proceeds of illegal activity ?

    Is that illegal pursuant to FS 874.11 ?

    “Prosecutors contended that many of them had displayed their gang membership and criminal intentions on MySpace and other web sites. Examples cited by prosecutors included a 15-year-old’s “hit list” of “people I wanna kill,” and a 14-year-old’s posted pictures of himself dressed in gang colors and displaying gang hand signals.”

    http://www.citmedialaw.org/blog/2009/florida-sees-gangs-social-networks-and-prosecutes

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  14. If you are on Twitter ask Jeff Weiner and/or Natalie Jackson if Team Skittles just settled with the HOA for an undisclosed sum of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Please and thanks. Lemme know….

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  15. johngalt90210 says:

    Consider FS 874.03(3)(f) with respect to significance of a CAT Crippin all the Time tattoo:

    874.03 Definitions.—As used in this chapter:
    (3) “Criminal gang member” is a person who meets two or more of the following criteria:
    (a) Admits to criminal gang membership.
    (b) Is identified as a criminal gang member by a parent or guardian.
    (c) Is identified as a criminal gang member by a documented reliable informant.
    (d) Adopts the style of dress of a criminal gang.
    (e) Adopts the use of a hand sign identified as used by a criminal gang.
    (f) Has a tattoo identified as used by a criminal gang.
    (g) Associates with one or more known criminal gang members.
    (h) Is identified as a criminal gang member by an informant of previously untested reliability and such identification is corroborated by independent information.
    (i) Is identified as a criminal gang member by physical evidence.
    (j) Has been observed in the company of one or more known criminal gang members four or more times. Observation in a custodial setting requires a willful association. It is the intent of the Legislature to allow this criterion to be used to identify gang members who recruit and organize in jails, prisons, and other detention settings.
    (k) Has authored any communication indicating responsibility for the commission of any crime by the criminal gang.

    Do you think some Florida lawyers that knew about FS 874.03 told Tracy to scrub the CAT tattoo?

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    • johngalt90210 says:

      Look at the photo near the top of this page where Tracy is in the photo with the guy in the yellow shirt throwing the Crip sign. There you it: two factors pursuant to 874.03 (3) which are sufficient to legally define Tracy as a “CRIMINAL GANG MEMBER”: (f) Has a tattoo [CAT] identified as used by a criminal gang and (g) Associates with one or more known criminal gang members.

      I think I now have a full understanding of the critical importance of scrubbing the CAT tattoo.

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      • doodahdaze says:

        Now, now. PC dictates that the gangs are now to be called…community organizations. Led by community organizers.

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        • Meme says:

          Dodahdaze—-Coffee isn’t meant to spray out of one’s nose. Just thought I’d bring that up, and thanks! (psst..means your comment was pretty funny and i’m now wearing said coffee…hehe)

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    • ftsk420 says:

      According to that list I’m a gang member

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  16. scubachick75 says:

    Sounds like Tracy brought Trayvon up there not to get him out of Miami and talk some sense into him but to babysit Chad while he and Brandy were out running around.

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  17. nameofthepen says:

    Whew! And George is accused of lying because he got some minor details confused?

    BTW, FWIW, if it would ever be of any use to the researchers here, there is a site which will display any EXIF metadata existing for an online photo:

    http://www.findexif.com

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  19. sirbentley1485 says:

    Have no knowledge of legal issues. Is the GarbageGrind and any other site that printed the OSTERMAN’s photo’s and house location in any trouble. How did the media get this information. Seem’s to be totally uncalled for.

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  20. ftsk420 says:

    I don’t see crip at all maybe MAYBE bloods but not crips. Tell what sign the guy in yellow is throwing. Crip wearing yellow?

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    • He’s showing “C-3″…. Did you actually read the article? I mean actually READ the article. Including the citations embedded for reference. There is NO doubt Tracy is a Crip member.

      “Crippin’ is a choice, but it’s forever. You may slow down, but you will always be down forever.”

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    • krddurham says:

      Yellow shirt AND a red hat.

      Definitely not a crip…

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      • ftsk420 says:

        I said the same thing and that hand sign is NOT a C like I said it’s even wrong for a U. U=underground crip. I have seen more blood looking sign from them rather then crip.

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        • doodahdaze says:

          Maybe the falling out between Tcong and Ho Chi Tracy was due to the son joining the Bloods.

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          • krddurham says:

            There is no evidence to support Tracy being a member of the crips. Sundance insists that “there is NO doubt Tracy is a Crip member.” There’s plenty of doubt.

            There’s no evidence that Trayvon was a member of the bloods, either.

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            • ftsk420 says:

              I do think there is a link with TM cousin. Everytime he refers to TM he refers to him like this BL99D. As far as the crip thing I don’t see it.

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              • cajunkelly says:

                Maybe “cuz” is doing the same thing those “Masons” in FL are doing, pretending to be something he isn’t.

                “Free and Accepted *Modern* Masons, *Inc.* indeed.

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                • ftsk420 says:

                  Well if cuz is pretending that’s about all he will ever do. If Trayvon or his cuz was in the bloods or crips there is no way it plays out this way in the media. Gangs don’t do tv they sure as hell don’t call the cops. I think Trayvon had friends in gangs probably low level ones same with his cousin. I don’t feel the bad influence is Tracy I think it’s Chad father. He got the bling the cars with the big rims all kinds of cash. Tracy has been with Brandi for like 2 years. Trayvon stopped playing sports at 14 which is also the time he got his first TAT. I will admit the guy in the mason I forget his name is in the bloods brim I believe.

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                  • cajunkelly says:

                    guy in the mason? NOT. They are thieves, laying claim to something that is not theirs to claim, donning the cloak of True and Accepted Masons (not to be confused with “True and Accepted MODERN Masons, INC.) in an attempt to garner the honor and respect of those who *are* True and Accepted Masons.

                    What they are involved in is little more than a social club.

                    *TRUE* Masons take an oath to not engage in illicit relationships with another’s wife, widow, mother, sister or daughter. I see so much evidence of sexual interaction between these fools it seems almost incestuous. This thought came to me today as I was deliberating the validity of *their* vs. *the real* Masonic organization. “Their” version appears to be more like a swingers’ club. Seriously. IMO the only significant difference between them and a swingers’ club is that they dress in a contrived “uniform”.

                    Disclaimer; DH did not (and would not) disclose the above to me. I have stated previously that all the Masonic “secrets” are no longer secret. (refer to secret vs. private also) One can simply google Masonic oaths to find the above.

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                  • ftsk420 says:

                    cajunkelly says:
                    July 14, 2012 at 10:23 pm
                    guy in the mason? NOT I don’t know much about Masons my fathers side of the family is Masons from Scotland but I have never inquired about it.

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  21. johngalt90210 says:

    The hits keep on coming:

    Ice-T began his rapping career for Crip audiences,[15] and is addressed by his Crip friends and acquaintances as Tray or Tracy.[16]

    Simpson, Colton (2005). Inside the Crips: Life Inside L.A.’s Most Notorious Gang. St. Martin’s Press. pp. 298.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crips

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  22. Chad Greene?

    Photobucket

    Unredacted?

    Photobucket

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    • froggielegs says:

      Yep that’s Chad Greene. Watching an NBA Basketball game that didn’t even start at the time Trayvon left to go to the store.

      Aslo notice he said he waited for his Mother to come home. Nothing about Tracy coming home with her.

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      • froggielegs says:

        Typo should says *Also*

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      • doodahdaze says:

        Question. How was he watching the game and playing video with a headset at the same time? This interview raises more questions than it answers.

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        • froggielegs says:

          Good question! Kinda like watching a basketball game that wasn’t on too.

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        • ejarra says:

          Plus, the rescue vehicles went by his bedroom window as evidenced by the cameras next to the pool in the rear of the clubhouse. The BLUE lights are very obvious coming up in front of Brandi’s house.

          I have a VERY difficult time that Chad would NOT have noticed them or the sirens since they went by his bedroom window, unless…

          he wasn’t home.

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          • ackbarsays says:

            Brandi’s house is nowhere near the clubhouse.

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            • 2ntense says:

              IIRC, Brandi’s is near the entrance from S. Oregon on Twin Trees.

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            • ejarra says:

              No kidding! I never said it was. Examine the clubhouse tapes and you see in the distance the blue lighst of the first responders going up the street in front of Brandi’s house. DiawataMan had done a very good job showing that earlier.

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              • nameofthepen says:

                ejarra – it might help if you can post WHICH of DiwataMan’s 116 videos you’re referring to. Just sayin’, lol… 😉

                I always just assumed the police came in from the North (main) entrance, and arrived at the place where George’s truck was parked, Is this right?

                But, you said “first responders”. That’s the medical guys, yes?

                So, 1) the police arrived where George’s truck was, and, 2) later, the ambulance arrived via the SE entrance – the one near Brandi’s place. Do I have it correct now?

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                • ejarra says:

                  If you can find the one where he diagrams the video from the clubhouse, it appears as though they used that entrance which places it next to Brandi’s condo.

                  My whole point was that I didn’t care if Chad had headphones on or not. His bedroom would have been flooded with the blue lights and unless he had the headphone volume maxed out he would have heard the sirens. Even then (maxed out) he should have heard them, unless….

                  he was not there. Which IS my point.

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              • nameofthepen says:

                OK. Well, I asked because Brandi’s house faces AWAY from the clubhouse, and, supposedly (at least I think I remember hearing) Chad’s bedroom was “in the front of the house”.

                But, I agree with you, I suspect once the story starts getting deconstructed, it wouldn’t matter if he had claimed he was in the bathroom with the door closed, lol.

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                • jimrtex says:

                  I don’t know if the police and fire can get in the back entrance. One of Zimmerman’s previous calls said that he could come open up the back gate if necessary (this conceivably could depend on whether it is an emergency or not).

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        • alester1 says:

          that is what I thought. How convenient he lost interest in the NBA game to go play games in his bedroom in the front of the house with his head set on around the time of the incident.

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          • alester1 says:

            If I log in with my wordpress account, how can my user name be grayed out so it won’t open my wordpress blog? I notice some people’s name cannot be clicked on but mine can. Also, does logging in with my wordpress account (which is my user name and password) gives other access to my account? Are there other ways to log in without using twitter, wordpress or facebook accounts,

            Thanks,

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      • ejarra says:

        Plus he had 2 months to come up with that story.

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      • nameofthepen says:

        Oh, good grief! I just posted a question about that, and now I see the question was already raised. I gotta get with the program here…

        BTW, do you like my new avatar? I can’t believe I managed to get it on board! 😀

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      • 2ntense says:

        Chad called TM to see what was taking so long and then…. nothing? Awlrightty.

        They play junior high football on Fridays in Feb in Florida? Seriously?

        Did no one think to coach these people about when the NBA All-Star game started? Even pre-game isn’t that long a broadcast.

        No one seems to have ever seen or heard that TM got high except the ME who ran the tests. Surprised Team Skittles hasn’t claimed that was throw-down THC.

        Where did these people stay on Friday night? According to the witnesses St. Skittles was bilocating all OVER the place. Prolly we should git him cannonized.

        This gives me a heggake.

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        • arkansasmimi says:

          Football game was on Saturday.

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          • 2ntense says:

            IMO, it’s all crap anyway. Team Skittles, Lester and Persecution say that GZ’s minor inconsistencies point to his guilt. None persecution witness are on the same page, they aren’t even in the same book. I seriously think Lester’s rulings are created to get him out from under this nightmare. Not sure O’Mara’s motivations are much different.

            Notice how silent Dershowitz has been?

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    • skinterest says:

      These people right on down to the kids are liars. The potential of financial freedom is too much to resist.

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      • Sharon says:

        I doubt any amount they received would result in “financial freedom” for them. They’d burn through it in a couple of years at most, with the help of their fellow travelers.

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    • skinterest says:

      That last line about why he didnt hear any commotion is way too contrived-so if you would have been in the back bedroom you wouldve heard it/seen it? It is a pinpoint reason that answers an obvious hole in the narrative.

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      • doodahdaze says:

        SA did not seem to be curious did he?

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        • froggielegs says:

          Of course not because had he asked more questions, it could possibly euin the story they wanted. Just like when Shellie was asked about money in the paypal account, she replied saying to ask the brother in law and offered to give him the number. He didn’t want the number cause if he did call and ask, they would not of been able to complete the set up for perjury charges. I hope Shellie has a really good attorney who will point out the set up at her hearing.

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          • kathyca says:

            imo, she doesn’t even need a really good attorney. Just one with a pulse. Which is part of the reason why the “Judge’s” order is so lame. He KNOWS what happened and has chosen not to merely ignore it, but to twist it beyond all reason. He KNOWS and it’s sickening.

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    • jimrtex says:

      Except “Green” isn’t his last name. I think he is a Jr.

      I bet BDLR did a real objective interview.

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    • jimrtex says:

      The second line is probably:

      interviewed [Chad Not-Green]. [Chad] advised …

      Did BDLR interview a minor without a parent present?

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    • johngalt90210 says:

      Is the little angel’s name Chad Green or Chad Joseph?

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  23. cajunkelly says:

    Meh, why would two young bucks sleep in a garage (likely unheated or uncooled) when they could sleep on the floor in the living room? Hiding out maybe?

    Makes NO sense, IMO.

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    • ftsk420 says:

      Brandi didn’t trust Trayvon cousin in the house while she wasn’t there.

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    • jimrtex says:

      Cousin mentions grabbing phone from Trayvon Martin and talking to girl on phone for about a minute. Or maybe Serino came in through the garage and they had Trayvon’s sleeping mat there. Or maybe they thought a real investigator might ask him about the interior of Green’s residence. They knew better than to fake it about the movie they didn’t see.

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  24. I’m trying to figure out the structure of their black fraternity;

    Florida’s Grand Lodge is called “Ill. Renford P. Brown” and it’s Grand Master is Bobbie J. Meeks

    There are five Section Presidents in Florida covering 18 Counties. There are 30 Districts each headed by a Grand Master. The are 140 Lodges in all Districts. Each Lodge has it’s own head as well. Each lodge will have its own name and number. Looking at one Lodge, “King Lyons and Williams” #165 in District #10, it appears a Lodge could have at least as few as 7 members to more than 58 members.

    Section Presidents
    Southern Section; Kenneth Austin (29 Districts 1-5)
    Southeast Section; Ledester Clark (30 Districts 6-12)
    Central West; Robert L. Steven (36 Districts 13-19)
    Central East; Cecil Allen (19 Districts 20-25)
    Northern; Alex Dixon (26 Districts 21-30)

    There are 16 Lodges in Broward County

    Tracy Martin is listed as Grand Master of District #6/30 and of these following Lodges;
    King Freddie Lodge #86 (Broward County)
    Sons of Bethel Lodge #646 (Broward County)
    Jenkins Lodge #512 (Broward County)
    Brown and Waldon Lodge #212 (Broward County)
    East Gate Lodge #236 (Palm Beach County)

    His Lodge Name and Number looks to be “Doric Lodge” #477 which is in District #8/30. He is listed as “WM. Bro. Tracy Martin” WM = Worshipful Master.

    It seems odd Tracy would be listed as District Grand Master in one district and Worshipful Master of a lodge in a different district. I don’t know very much at all about the structures or why this would be. Tracy Martin seems to have his own lodge in Broward County but there are other lodges from different districts in the same counties, gets a bit confusing.

    Well, here are some links for now.

    http://internationalmasons.org/index.html
    http://internationalmasons.org/grand_lodges.html
    http://www.renfordpbrown.org/gl_officers.html
    http://www.internationalmasonsfl.org/
    http://www.internationalmasonsfl.org/local_lodges.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_counties_in_Florida
    http://www.internationalmasonsfl.org/ll_broward.html
    http://www.internationalmasonsfl.org/ll_seminole.html
    http://www.renfordpbrown.org/districts.html
    http://www.renfordpbrown.org/district_006.html
    http://www.renfordpbrown.org/district_008.html
    http://www.renfordpbrown.org/district_010.html
    http://www.klw165.org/index.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_Lodge_Officers

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    • cajunkelly says:

      In Louisiana a Master Mason can only hold ONE elected office at one time no matter how many lodges he is a member of.

      To clarify this means he may be an elected officer to only ONE position per year.

      Note that *I* am referencing Free and Accepted Masons, NOT Free and Accepted *Modern* Masons, *Inc.*.

      Also note there are multiple Prince Hall Grand Lodges in many states. There is only ONE UGLE (United Grand Lodge of England) Grand Lodge per state.

      I posted the following above, but with one mistake. In my post above “True” should be replaced with “Free”.

      They are thieves, laying claim to something that is not theirs to claim, donning the cloak of Free and Accepted Masons (not to be confused with “Free and Accepted MODERN Masons, INC.) in an attempt to garner the honor and respect of those who *are* true Free and Accepted Masons.

      What they are involved in is little more than a social club.

      *TRUE* Masons take an oath to not engage in illicit relationships with another’s wife, widow, mother, sister or daughter. I see so much evidence of sexual interaction between these fools it seems almost incestuous. This thought came to me today as I was deliberating the validity of *their* vs. *the real* Masonic organization. “Their” version appears to be more like a swingers’ club. Seriously. IMO the only significant difference between them and a swingers’ club is that they dress in a contrived “uniform”.

      Disclaimer; DH did not (and would not) disclose the above to me. I have stated previously that all the Masonic “secrets” are no longer secret. (refer to secret vs. private also) One can simply google Masonic oaths to find the above.

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    • jimrtex says:

      I think lodges are actually independent, sort of like Baptist churches. But then each State has a grand lodge, which is not really top of a hierarchy but has primacy, and can charter new lodges,

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    • arkansasmimi says:

      Kinda off topic, but one of TrayDad and Brandi Green FB “friends” is a member of Jenkins Lodge #512 lol he is a 20 yr truck driver for Arizona Tea! Just cant make this mess up!
      https://www.facebook.com/​phillip.jenkins3

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      • knuckledragingwino says:

        Does it occur to anyone that long distance truck drivers have unique opportunities to engage in drug running? While they are subjected to random safety inspections, they seldom encounter situations where they are subjected to having their cargo or sleeper cab thoroughly checked. Most trailer bodies have numerous spaces where contraband could be hidden and it wouldn’t be difficult to install a false front wall on a trailer. How many cops are going to unload 50,000 pounds of cargo even when it is legal to do such a search. A group of drivers who have backgrounds as Crips and associate in a pseudo-Masonic lodge would be uniquely positioned to organize a drug distribution network.

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        • jimrtex says:

          Tracy Martin worked (works?) for Sysco which is a supplier to restaurants, and similar institutions (hospitals, schools, etc.) both food and everything else. A truck driver would drive out to a restaurant and then unload the food, make sure that the people at the restaurant sign for delivery, and possibly collect.

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  25. Mikado Cat says:

    You must not have seen a teenager playing video games with a headset, you have to set them on fire to get their attention away from the game, and they have little track of time.

    I don’t think Chad is a useful path to follow, he will NEVER be subjected to more than the mildest cross if any. By 4/27 his story would have been worked out as boiler plate, simple and if he sticks to it, I don’t see breaking it. Besides, as likely as not Trayvon would know passing any taint to Chad would mess up Tracy’s booty call, so he may have acted “nice” all the time around him.

    Resist the temptation to demonize, I am willing to presume no more than the minimum ill will to support known actions.

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    • skinterest says:

      It can be broken with one question: how were you watching a game that hadnt staryed yet?

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    • johngalt90210 says:

      “Besides, as likely as not Trayvon would know passing any taint to Chad would mess up Tracy’s booty call, so he may have acted “nice” all the time around him.”

      It is obvious that TM didn’t need to hide anything from Chad in view of the myspace page showing Chad dad with bling, gang signs and cash. Chad appears to be pretty easy to crack in a deposition.

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    • danalain says:

      I dont think it is ill will to try to figure out the truth, when these stories don’t make sense. I am not condeming the Martin family for faulty stories, in the face of tragedy and shock, there is going to be confusion, but an outsider can take their stories and maybe figure out a truth from them, and maybe even find out untruths that were told for any reason. GZ’s every breath has been analyzed. What is wrong with searching for the truth in the Martin accounts?

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  27. cajunkelly says:

    ftsk420 said;
    (there’s no reply option under that post)

    I don’t know much about Masons my fathers side of the family is Masons from Scotland but I have never inquired about it.

    *************************

    ftsk, My husband is a Master Mason and past WM (worshipful Master) of his Lodge. My paternal grandfather was a 32nd degree (Scottish Rite). My ex father-in-law was a 32nd degree (Scottish Rite) and also a Shriner. One of my sons is a Fellow Craft Mason, the second degree toward Master.

    The Masons’ basic creed is; We take good men and make them better.

    I know that to be true of my DH.

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    • Kyozokuninja says:

      There is good and bad in every culture, race, nation, and religion. We cannot place a standard on any one of these. People make their own choices every day. We have to recognize this. No bashing, cajunkelly, just reality. Would that it was not true…

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    • ftsk420 says:

      What I did hear was that women weren’t allowed to be Masons is that true?

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      • froggielegs says:

        Women are part of the Masons in their own lodges called Eastern Stars. Young girls are Rainbow Girls and young boys are Demolay.

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        • arkansasmimi says:

          Alisha Martin and Brandi Green are both in the Eastern Star. Alisha Martin has at least 1 FB friend who is mutual friend of TrayDad and Brandi Green. All the ladies are of Eastern Star.

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        • ctdar says:

          I posted this a few days ago “who is Brandy Green” which has her and her sister Zakiya the felon’s background. Zakiya also had friend on Facebook with last name Green
          (Brandys sister in law?) who has a teen daughter, wait for it….named DeeDee!
          http://radionewz.net/2012/07/trayvon-martin-who-is-brandy-green-really/?wpmp_tp=3

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          • froggielegs says:

            And none of them would be allowed in a true Eastern Star lodge. The same requirements to become a Mason are also held for Eastern Star’s. Note: both men and women can join Eastern Stars. The only other requirement to becoming an Eastern Star is, for men, only Master Masons are allowed to be Eastern Stars and for women you must be affiliated with a Master Mason in good standing. Meaning, related through blood or marriage. (also adopted children)

            Again, no one with a record would ever be allowed in a true Masonic Lodge or a true Eastern Star Lodge.

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            • ctdar says:

              Without a doubt completely separate entities; Tracy’s group and other similar ones should not be able to call themselves Masons in any way, shape or form.

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  28. froggielegs says:

    My Brother is a 33rd degree Mason and Grand Master of his lodge. I had him look at the photo’s from Traydaddy’s lodge while I was on the phone with him and I swear he about died laughing. Especially the pic of the guy wearing the blue crown. They seem to think they are kings, queens etc. That is NOT a true Mason. No respectable Masonic Lodge would have pictures of their members wearing red shirts and baggy jeans or throwing up gang symbols. Just those very pictures alone would dishonor a good Masonic Lodge. Its a disgrace to look at thug wannabes pretending to be members of a highly respected community such as Masons.

    It wasn’t so long ago, that African Americans were not allowed to belong to a Masonic Temple because in order to be a Freemason, you must be free born. You could not claim to be free born then turn around and say your ancestors were slaves. You are either one or the other not both. In order to become a Freemason, you must prove that you are an upstanding citizen with no past records or bad behavior. You must have nothing in your past that will dishonor the lodge or your fellow Masons. Also you have to be vetted by at the most 2 Masons.

    It shouldn’t surprise any of you that Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and even Spike Lee (who tweeted what he thought was GZ’s address) are all members of Prince Hall. I’ll just say they are members of Prince Hall and leave Masons out of it because personally, I think they act more like the Nation of Islam than anything like Masonic.

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    • 2ntense says:

      So basically they co-opted the name to try to give themselves some legitimacy. Probably started by people who didn’t make the cut for the real one or were asked to please not darken the lodge’s door step.

      A gang by any other name is still a gang.

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      • diwataman says:

        Actually it was started by this guy.

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        • doodahdaze says:

          The way the system in Black Africa works today is based on Extortion and Bribery. For example in Nigeria. To get anything done requires bribes at all levels. Top to bottom.

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        • nameofthepen says:

          I liked the part, “By 1975, WGPR [his radio station] was generating more than 1 million in annual revenue.”😉

          Banks’ meteoric rise to the ranks of power and wealth reminds me not only of Obama in this day and age, but especially of another icon of Banks’ era – Martin Luther King.

          However, this video on MLK rather shatters the myth of “sainthood”, as you shall see.

          (Part 1 of 3-part video, all totaled: approx 23 minutes run-time)

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        • cajunkelly says:

          diwataman, I have to disagree. Banks was LONG predated by Prince Hall, the founder of the black version of Masons.

          Prince Hall (c.1735[1] – December 7, 1807),[2] was an African American noted as a tireless abolitionist, for his leadership in the free black community in Boston, and as the founder of Prince Hall Masonry.

          I’m beginning to wonder if that mess in FL is even legitimately Prince Hall. They seem to be some self formed social club donning the cloak of Masonry, along with other unseembly forms of attire.

          DH looked “Free and Accepted *Modern* Masons, *Inc.* last night. They seem to be most prolific in FL. There are none in Louisiana.

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      • cajunkelly says:

        Exactly 2ntense. That’s why I called them *thieves* in an above post. They had attempted to don the cloak and lay claim to something they have no right to in order to gain respect and legitimacy.

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    • cajunkelly says:

      THANK YOU FROGGIE! FINALLY someone who backs up my story that these people are NOT true Free and Accepted Masons. Look at their website, they call themselves Free and Accepted MODERN Masons, INC. Modern and Inc. are key. The creed of the TRUE Masons is; to become one ask one, as they DO NOT SOLICIT. My DH, who as I’ve said is a past (last year) Worshipful Master of his lodge was just approached by a friend who wishes to become a Mason in honor of two of our friends (Masons) who recently passed away. Yes, he filed the petition (aka application), was sponsored by my DH and was *vetted* by no less than THREE co-members of DH’s lodge. Next comes the background check while we’re sure (knowing him as we do) he’ll sail through. Nevertheless the vetting/background check IS DONE.

      As for the website, I could provide the link to DH’s lodge and you’re correct, you’ll see NO formal pictures (there are informal pics of BBQ type social events) of the members in such tacky attire.

      As for the question regarding women in the Masons, I seem to remember not long ago an article about the first female becoming WM of her lodge but couldn’t find it via a search last night. In some circles the Eastern Star ladies are referred to as “co-Masons”.

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  29. cajunkelly says:

    Exactly Bori. And as I mentioned last night, all the tendrils just in the TM case leads one to believe it’s downright incestuous in nature. Refer back to the post I made last night on this thread regarding the Master Mason’s Oath. Virtually every thing regarding TRUE Masonry is available online now. Google it. TRUE Masons don’t mess around with women of other TRUE Masons. To do so would be breaking their oath.

    And I’ll repeat; to become a TRUE Mason, ask one, as they DO NOT RECRUIT.

    DH has mentioned many of our friends he thinks would be excellent Masons, but because of the “no recruit” clause, he doesn’t even mention the possibility to them. They must approach *him*. Period.

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  30. sidneytawl says:

    Original Prince Hall Masonry has the distinction of having Christianity associated with its craft. That among other reasons is what keep the true Prince Hall lodges from being recognized by “white” lodges. I found this info on a web site run by a Mason and has a radio show and discussed the issues about Prince Hall masons not being recognized. You don’t have to be a “christian” to be a Prince Hall, however religion is part of their craft which is a no no in traditional lodges.

    Looking at those photo’s of Tracy’s lodge etc. I wonder if the regular Prince Halls recognize them. I sorta doubt it from what I have found regarding Prince Halls. Which does bring up the issue with Obama and others that are Prince Hall.

    Wonder if they (O and Holder) feel a little snookered now, also helps explain the tattoo being changed and quickly.

    And just a personal “theory” about Tracy and his wearing of the White Sox cap. I could expound, but will not out of deference at this point.

    White Sox = White sux

    From the Manly P Hall school these INC “brothers” are NOT. Though they do use things for their own personal advantage which is also a no no I expect.

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  31. 2ntense says:

    Couple of random thoughts… this makes my head ache and my heart break

    1. I still think the Mason thing is more of window dressing for a gang. Seriously, these aren’t teens. They traded in baggy jeans, tattered clothing and hoodies for suits, tuxedos and some really colorful accessories and a look of respectability. They probably have token members who were not involved in the darker stuff to add to the air or respectability. A gang by any other name… it works well when you co-opt a name that has historically been cloaked in secrecy. The name they chose is close enough to a legitimate one that most people wouldn’t notice.

    2. They were always LOUSY parents. Selfish parents. Greedy parents. Hedonistic parents They flip partners at will apparently. Who says that’s just a stereotype?

    3. I still wonder about some of the other players, MOM, Serino, etc. I can see that MOM is in it for himself but I’d think it would be more beneficial if he won the case or actually looked like he was doing something.

    4. I think Serino is in it for himself. His video leak without the ABC logo bar does show injuries. Probably after 48 hours after the shooting the ONLY thing he was interested in was covering his own ass. No more No less. Being a patrol cop is punishment for his FBI statement. They couldn’t dump him as easily as Wolfinger and Lee. Maybe he fought against “them” and that is what the infamous look is about. Matt Guttman flipped him on twitter to quickly and easily. They may be corrupt by they ain’t stoopid.

    5. The only people I actually see lining their coffers is Bennie, Daryl and Natalie. TrayMom and TrayDad won’t get as much as they think. Soon they will be completely irrelevant like Cindy Sheehan. Jessie and Al show up to rally the uninformed masses. It’s dialing for dollars.

    6. DeeDee should be REQUIRED to testify. Persecution should be forced to provide hospital records and ALL phone records for TM, TrayMom, TrayDad, TeamSkittles and DeeDee.

    7. It is NOT AN ACCIDENT that this happened in Florida. It is not an accident that other things happened in Florida. Not the Hanging Chad, not Elian, not Terry Schiavo.

    I need more coffee.

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  32. Marco says:

    So martin’s erstwhile father was once a gang-banger. and? Keep trashing the VICTIM.

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  33. dws says:

    I searched and searched and didn’t find it. Was there a followup to this article on the Masonic Convention?

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