Cardinal Dolan: President Obama Lectured Us On Religious Teachings, Stated We Should Listen To “Enlightened” Voices….

(LifeNews) Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic bishops, has released a public letter today detailing a stunning conversation he and other bishops had with top White House officials about the controversial Obama mandate.

In the letter, Cardinal Dolan relates a shocking meeting in which top Obama Administration asked to meet with the bishops to “work out the wrinkles” of the mandate. After accepting the invitation and arriving at the White House, the bishops asked whether any ability to broaden the very narrow religious exemptions in the mandate were off the table.

“They invited us to ‘work out the wrinkles.’ We have accepted that invitation,” he wrote. “Unfortunately, this seems to be stalled: the White House Press Secretary, for instance, informed the nation that the mandates are a fait accompli (and, embarrassingly for him, commented that we bishops have always opposed Health Care anyway, a charge that is scurrilous and insulting, not to mention flat out wrong.”)

Dolan writes: “At a recent meeting between staff of the bishops’ conference and the White House staff, our staff members asked directly whether the broader concerns of religious freedom—that is, revisiting the straight-jacketing mandates, or broadening the maligned exemption—are all off the table. They were informed that they are. So much for “working out the wrinkles.” Instead, they advised the bishops’ conference that we should listen to the “enlightened” voices of accommodation, such as the recent, hardly surprising yet terribly unfortunate editorial in America.”

He said, “The White House seems to think we bishops simply do not know or understand Catholic teaching and so, taking a cue from its own definition of religious freedom, now has nominated its own handpicked official Catholic teachers

“We have made it clear in no uncertain terms to the government that we are not at peace with its invasive attempt to curtail the religious freedom we cherish as Catholics and Americans,” the archbishop of New York wrote in a public letter to the Catholic bishops last Friday. “We did not ask for this fight, but we will not run from it.”

The Catholic bishops’ president made it appear the mandate is not going to be changed in any way to protect religious freedom.

Dolan said, “The White House already notified Congress that the dreaded mandates are now published in the Federal Registry ‘without change.’ He added that “The Secretary of HHS is widely quoted as saying, ‘Religious insurance companies don’t really design the plans they sell based on their own religious tenets.’ That doesn’t bode well for their getting a truly acceptable “accommodation.”

Cardinal Dolan also said “We will continue to accept invitations to meet with and to voice our concerns to anyone of any party, for this is hardly partisan, who is willing to correct the infringements on religious freedom that we are now under. But as we do so, we cannot rely on off the record promises of fixes without deadlines and without assurances of proposals that will concretely address the concerns in a manner that does not conflict with our principles and teaching.”

He added that “Congress might provide more hope, since thoughtful elected officials have proposed legislation to protect what should be so obvious: religious freedom. Meanwhile, in our recent debate in the senate, our opponents sought to obscure what is really a religious freedom issue by maintaining that abortion inducing drugs and the like are a ‘woman’s health issue.’ We will not let this deception stand. Our commitment to seeking legislative remedies remains strong. And it is about remedies to the assault on religious freedom. Period.”

“Perhaps the courts offer the most light,” he said about the many lawsuits that have been filed against the mandate. (read more)

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20 Responses to Cardinal Dolan: President Obama Lectured Us On Religious Teachings, Stated We Should Listen To “Enlightened” Voices….

  1. zmalfoy says:

    The pictures really tell the story. *sigh* I’m glad he hasn’t backed down, but I hope he realizes that words alone will do nothing at this point, except allow him to say, in the future, “I tried words, and they failed.”


    • Brooklyn says:

      Z, I’m on the run, but will get back later. THIS is very powerful, we need to share this with everyone. I may even take this theme and start again with my petition to our new Bishop in Trenton, and maybe (God Willing, as they say) get it to Cardinal Dolan…. More later.

      I AM Andrew Breitbart…!


  2. Auntie Lib says:

    Pathetic – on so many levels! The Church is going to have to do a hard turn to the right – fast! Personally, I think they need to issue edicts of excommunication on Pelosi, Biden, the Kennedys – any politician that has publicly advocated for policies in contradiction to Catholic dogma. Doesn’t that constitute “heresy” under Church law, Z? All Christian and Jewish church leaders (not just Catholic) also need to come out with a major announcement clarifying that abortion is NOT acceptable to any faith!!!

    I know, broken record… For so long the religious leaders in this country have had their heads up their a$$e$ focusing on hoisting their own responsibilities for the poor onto the government that they have virtually destroyed themselves. Certainly they have minimized their moral voice.

    Oy vey.


    • zmalfoy says:

      . . .um. . .yeah, in short. Anyone who claims to be Catholic, but publically supports/ encourages beliefs, policies or practicies contra to Catholic teaching, specifically the dogmas, is a heretic, their actions heresy. In this case, Pelosi, the Kennedys, et al, are both claiming to be Catholic and also publically supporting practices contra to Church teaching. The teaching on abortion is almost as firm and unshakable as they can get, short of an actual proclamation from Jesus recorded in the Gospel.

      So, yes, they should be formally excommunicated (Technically, they have self-excommunicated, but as long as they are not denied the sacraments, that means nothing until they die and face Judgement). Even though I doubt it would cause them to repent and re-think their positions and actions, it would disallow them from claiming to be Catholic, and causing a scandal among the faithful. As long as they remain not-officially-excommunicated, it allows for those who maybe aren’t paying close attention to become confused over what the church allows for. But formal excommunications are a matter of local diocese, and too many bishops are unwilling to deal with the sh*tstorm (financial and otherwise) that would whip up the instant they announced their intention to do so.

      FYI, that’s why, when I go off my my rambling ponderings, I strive to make clear where I might, possibly, be diverging from Catholic teaching, because I don’t want to cause any more confusion in my wanderings than there already is. I can wonder and ponder all I want, but the instant I publically proclaim something that I know is contra to established teaching, I should expect to get thwapped. (That said, before such actions, the bishops generally will meet with the person to discuss the issue, to try to clear up confusions, to be sure that the person knows and understands the Church teaching. Excommunication for Heresy comes from deliberate heresy, not ignorance or misunderstanding).


    • Very well said Auntie Lib! We have been crying for years about the lack of fight/say nothing attitude or stance the Church/Churches have or have not taken on Abortion. Abortion has destroyed much of this country and most people cannot even see that. It is very simple and not complex (as every one would like to say so) at all. Abortion is not a “RIGHT”!!! Abortion is murder of one of God’s creations/blessings in any case. It is a horific shame that we cannot protect the unborn in our society. You stand for something or fall for anything!!! We have fallen for the “anything” for so many years from our blindness that comes from the fruit that we bear even as a country. The lines are drawn in the sand. Now man must pick what he believes to be “right or wrong” concerning many of these types of matters. Your very souls may be on the line and I for one do not ever want to be on the wrong side. Not worth the chance of eternity! Know who your enemy is and what he is trying to accomplish in the long run. If you can’t see it then there needs to be some changes in your life. Oh yes, we live in the “enlightened” years now I forgot. Same thing they say about changing our constitution. Our wisdom (of today) is so much greater than that of our Forefathers.


  3. GracieD says:

    Z, you have laid the facts out quite well. Pelosi, The Kennedys, et al are willfully committing heresy, IMO. Fortunately for them I am not the Final Judge, God is! I simply do not see how you can be a Catholic in good standing and support Abortion but, what do I know?


    • zmalfoy says:

      Gracie, you are absolutely correct. Even at my own most leftward and heretical (and yes, that word did apply to me for a time), I never had a problem with the stance on abortion, as it was so clear and understandable. There is no way to be a Catholic in good standing and support abortion. . . it’s like being a pro-Nazi Jew. They are mutually exclusive– only one can be true.

      The only mind that can pretend otherwise is one so mired in sin (all 7 deadly ones!) that they are unwilling and unable to let go their desire for sex above all else. They are speaking animals, obsessed with the externals of mating, and desiring to bring all other sentient beings down to their level. .


    There is among the passions an anger of the intellect, and this is in accordance with nature. Without anger a man cannot attain purity: he has to feel angry with all that is sown in him by the enemy. When Job felt this anger he reviled his enemies, calling them ‘dishonorable men of no repute, lacking everything good, whom I would not consider fit to live with the dogs that guard my flocks’ (cf. Job 30:1,4 LXX). He who wishes to acquire the anger that is in accordance with nature must uproot all self-will, until he establishes within himself the state natural to the intellect.
    Let us stand firm in the fear of God, rightiously practicing the virtues and not giving our conscience cause to stumble. In the fear of God let us keep our attention fixed within ourselves, until our conscience achieves its freedom. Then there will be a union between it and us, and thereafter it will be our guardian, showing us each thing we must uproot. But if we do not obey our conscience, it will abandon us and we shall fall into the hands of our enemies, who will never let us go.

    It is pretty simple, like basic math really,


  5. Laura says:

    I seriously doubt Pelosi, (any or many) of the Kennedy’s and other alleged Catholic politicians even go to Mass. So, being excommunicated would mean nothing to them!


    • Laura,
      That is not the point. Excommunication is the “Churches” stance that is taken publically. You excommunicate yourself with God doing what they do and THAT is helluva lot more important than anything else. The Churches stance, in public, should aleays be that of one to protect its flock and when they do nothing, or very little, it is not protecting the faithful at all.


      • zmalfoy says:

        That was a point I was trying to express upthread. I too doubt that excommunication would do much to snap Pelosi et al out of their idiocy. But, it would make the Church’s position clear and undeniable. That they have failed to formally excommunicate the lot of them is a source of confusion for layfolk, Catholic and otherwise. This lack of didcipline allows many others to fall into error– I know this from personal experience. The failure to act and make it clear that this behavior is unacceptable in a Catholic implies that it isn’t anything terrible, which allows others to assume that the lines are not as sharp and clear as they actually are.

        Formal Excommunication (and, in dire situations, Interdict) is like a quarantine. It can help the sick person but, more importantly, it helps prevent the illness from spreading further.


        • Extremely well said Z. 🙂


        • And that’s exactly why it should be imposed in the case of Pelosi (for one). She’s beyond help. She’s proven that by what she did after coming out of a face-to-face papal audience where she was severely reprimanded and denied a photo with the Pope. She lied about what happened and doubled-down on everything she’d misrepresented about Catholic teachings in the past. The reason she needs to be excommunicated now is to quarantine her. As you say, Z, to “prevent the illness from spreading further.” To avoid the scandal of having the faithful be utterly confused about what the Church believes. Personally, I think it’s a little late for that.


  6. At what point does the Catholic church call the Dim-O-cRats’ bluff and just excommunicate all the Catholics who voted for this thing and/or support it? Get PeloSSi, Fwank, Kerry (who served in Vietnam, BTW…) Federal Judges, Cabinet Members, supporters on the SCOTUS…. all of ’em. Toss ’em outta the church, em masse.


  7. moe2004 says:

    Cardinal Dolan will not back down,he’s been very firm and I trust him, the Church has played this game before. Based on everything I’ve read,the Bishops are playing hardball, threatening to close schools, Catholic Charities and hospitals. Anyone else have the feeling this is what the administration wants? In addition to stomping on the Constitution again.


    • What this administration wants is to destroy God, Family and then the Country will fall all by itself.


    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      That is what this administration wants. They want to replace churches and their charities with government.


    • barnslayer says:

      If the Church closes all these facilities the liberals will gain control of those no longer helped by the Church. Public school, municipal hospitals, and welfare being the only remaining choice for many will distance them from the positive influences of the Church. There has got to be a better way of dealing with this. No I don’t mean compromising with ubama.


  8. Laura says:

    Thank you for your further clarification on the subject gfcinthatorder and zmalfoy. You brought my attention to an aspect that my simple mind hadn’t recognized. That’s why I love this blog, you’re all quite knowledgeable!
    Thank You!


  9. Lady_Dr says:

    What no one seems to notice is that if Roe vs Wade had never been enacted there would be millions more adults, working, paying taxes, etc. and the country would not be in quite such bad shape. We are on the verge of become Japan, a country with an aging population because they stopped reproducing themselves. Thank God for the Hispanics who still believe if traditional families and are not opposed to having babies!


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